Chase Geiser and Josh dissect America's moral divide, linking public school indoctrination to economic instability and warning that inflation-driven radicalization mirrors historical fascist rises. They condemn the "domestic terrorism" label as a power consolidation tool while criticizing Generation Z's perceived softness against social media trends. Praising Jordan Peterson's archetypal storytelling over literal dogma, they argue that recognizing systemic manipulation is essential to resisting totalitarian control before economic collapse triggers violent upheaval. [Automatically generated summary]
You know, when things like that happen at that age, you kind of don't really know.
You're not too aware.
I mean, I knew something was wrong.
So it's kind of mixed emotions, you know, where at that age, you don't really have control over your emotions.
You know, I was kind of mad, kind of disappointed in my mother for it.
A weird sense of relief came over me too, you know, a little bit down the line because I knew it was necessary and it had to happen.
But yeah, it's mixed emotions, man.
You know, growing up like that, it's really, you can write a book about it and you could, you could document all that stuff, but it's really hard.
Unless you've experienced it a little bit, it's hard to really like put into words so people could understand or even possibly feel it, if that makes sense.
Like, I've got, you can tell I've got a bunch of books, but I've read maybe 20% of them just because you want, you know, I'm distracted by the internet and my wife, my baby, my job, and whatever.
But when you have all that time, so here's one thing I want to ask you because, you know, I've watched prison movies and they all depict shit differently, right?
You watch Cool Hand Luke, they're working the chain gang all day.
You watch Shawshank Redemption, he's working the laundry and fucking around in the base in the yard all day, right?
Like, are you working your ass off when you're in prison or are you just sitting around?
If you want to, you know, get a little bit of extra like incentives.
Like, I did have a job in there.
I had actually had a laundry job.
It's not like how it's depicted in Shawshank Redemption, but I had a little laundry job.
It was pretty easy.
And they gave you $3 a day for it.
You know, plus, it looks good when you go to try to get early release and things like that.
And it puts a little bit of money in your pocket because some people don't have people that put money on their books.
But I mean, the best way to describe it in prison is that, you know, you got to keep busy, but you don't want to keep busy the wrong way.
You know, you have guys that are in there locked behind them walls and they're constantly thinking about the outside world.
You can't control any of those things, dude.
You're not out there.
The more you stress and the more you're constantly trying to be in touch with the outside world, plus worry about controlling it, you have a miserable time in there.
And that's kind of what that dude taught me.
He's like, you're in here, worry about in here.
Focus and control everything that you can in here that you know you can.
When you get out there, then you worry about that.
He's like, don't be like these guys on the phones all day trying to call and talk to their girl and see what she's doing.
Don't be like these guys worrying about what's going on out there, who's doing what.
He's like, they're in here and they don't even realize it yet.
He's like, and they're not going to change anything.
He's like, just focus on you.
And it really changed you, man.
I met a lot of really solid people in there for sure.
It's absolutely transmutable to the situation we're in right now.
I know I'm not going to turn into some huge heroic figure that saves civilization from.
I mean, it's possible.
I'm not saying I wouldn't mind it.
You know, the autographs and stuff would be pretty awesome.
But, you know, I just take it day by day.
You know, I look at it like this.
My main object, my main objective is to get my neighbor or my coworker or anybody that I have face-to-face dialogue engagement with to hate this establishment just as much as I do.
I want them to understand that this is serious stuff.
Not too overwhelming or stuff, but please pay attention to this.
Voice your concerns.
You know, I've had my wife, prime example, she never wanted to get involved in the politics stuff.
I feel like a lot of the situations we're in right now is solely based off language to a degree.
Like words that they're using, they're not even real words.
And we're debating topics that have no solution.
It's a paradox.
You know what I'm saying?
It's designed that way.
So we're going back and forth about something that has no solution while they're slowly tiptoeing closer to totalitarianism.
So I just try to focus on things like that and share what I pick up or what I think I picked up to the best of my ability to others and take it from there.
You know, is language the fundamental basis of thought or is thought the fundamental basis of language?
And when they manipulate the language, they manipulate the way we think.
I mean, if you think about it, like I almost tweeted the other day, I decided I didn't for whatever reason, but I almost tweeted, I wasn't an anti-vaxxer until I changed the definition.
And what's scary to me is that they're not even trying to lie well anymore.
You know, they don't, because it's like, what the fuck are you going to do about it?
You know?
And so like when I see Saki up there and she's answering questions and she's just like totally blowing them off and they're all non-answers, it's like, you know, 10 years ago, they at least made a good effort to cover their tracks.
And now they just realize that it doesn't matter whether or not we know what's really going on because we don't have any leverage.
But there's ways like what the truckers did, that's huge because that disrupts the whole production, the whole flow.
You can't get shell stock now.
You can't get things delivered now.
That affects the mob of people that support you and affects you now.
So now they get restless as well.
And they have to kind of keep that balance still.
You know what I mean?
So that exposed what can really damage them, what can really put them on their heels.
You know, there's definitely openings in certain issues.
I feel the curriculum is a major one.
There's anything that's going to get people involved.
It's the curriculum and what they're teaching your children.
I don't care who you are.
That you have a child and you know they're getting bombarded with this lunacy, it's going to make you feel obligated to do something about it, and that's why they want to keep that under wraps.
But they are baiting people into definitely have some kind of reaction.
Man, there's a great article I need to share with you.
Uh, I'm actually going to find it right now because I don't want to forget to share this with you.
I read this article last night.
Um, basically, uh, uh, Jordan Peterson tweeted the article and he said, Read this, please.
And I was like, Man, if he said please like that, like he like really wants me to read it.
So, so I opened up this article and I thought it was going to take me like five minutes to read it.
So, I like did like a video stream just here reading the article, thinking, ha ha, I'll comment the video of me reading it in like three minutes and be like, see, I read it, you know.
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But the whole article took me 42 minutes to read, dude.
So, uh, uh, but some of the things that you're saying kind of remind me of it, uh, because yeah, here it is.
I found it, dude.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna direct message it to you on uh, on um uh Twitter just so you have it after the call or whatever after the podcast.
But it's called No, the Revolution Isn't Over.
And it's written on Substack by I never heard of the guy that wrote it before.
His name's N.S. Lyons.
He wrote it in January, and he's basically talking about how the critical race theory and the Marxist stuff is like really entrenched.
And just because, you know, Youngkin won in Virginia doesn't mean that we're actually making any progress because the problem is so much deeper than we see.
Yeah, it was just an amazing article.
And so, like, my thinking is like, man, like, like, maybe we could like win in the schools by like firing an administrator, but then who hires the next administrator?
And it's like the people on the school board, and they're all Marxists, right?
And it's like, you know, there was a time in this country where you could work a working class job, a labor job, and you could own a home and provide for your family and your wife could stay home with the kids.
And we've gotten to the point because of inflation because we went off the gold standard where that's impossible for working class families to do.
And so the state has to raise the kids.
They spend all the time with them during the day.
And until like, and like, and like that's one of the things that bothers me about the left as someone who's had a daughter this year is that they're always talking about expanding child services, getting the kids to school younger and younger.
I'm like, I don't want you to raise my fucking kid.
You know, like, I don't, I want to like be able to make enough money that like my wife doesn't have to work so that we don't have to give you my kid all day.
You know, like the answer isn't for you to have my kid more.
So like, I don't know what the solution is.
I don't know if there is a solution, but it doesn't seem to me like fixing public education is necessarily like going to be a sufficient solution.
You know, we got to figure out a way that people just don't even need it.
She's a conservative from what I heard, but she blocked me one day because I said exactly what you said.
And she's like, we shouldn't be giving these institutions to the left.
And I'm like, these institutions are eroded.
They're rotten to the core.
There's no repairing this.
Like, you're not, even if you pass a law saying it's illegal to teach critical, but the teachers are still going to do it.
They're radical.
Like, these are, these are, these are radical ideologues.
They don't care.
They don't care.
So, you know, we're going back and forth and she was basically throwing that out me like, oh, well, then what are parents going to do about, you know, their kids?
How are they going to work?
And I said, well, that's the problem.
You know, back years ago, the father could support the family.
He didn't have to have the wife go to work.
I'm not saying the wife shouldn't work.
I'm not saying anything because you know that's immediately what they're going to jump on.
But long story short, he exposed a lot of things about public education.
And a lot of people don't even know that when this country first implemented public education, they had to use the National Guard to get the parents to comply because the parents were firmly against it.
They said, I don't want some stranger teaching my child all day for eight hours.
They were like, that's insane.
We'll never do that.
So they had to use the National Guard.
Parents were strongly opposed to it.
And this gentleman by the name of John Dewey and the Rockefeller Foundation designed education purposely to indoctrinate the students and the young people of the country.
This is facts.
This is known.
There's documents and counters and everything about this.
So when people argue about public education, there's no fixing that.
That system was designed to literally indoctrinate people.
It wasn't as bad as it is now.
I'm not saying it didn't produce some great minds.
It absolutely did.
But that system has been rotten for a very, very long time.
And I think the only way to really, you know, get some fire going around the issue is around the sexual things that they're trying to teach because there's many things that they're pushing.
They're pushing race, pushing trans, but that sexual thing is that main topic that a lot of parents, regardless if they're left or right, can get behind and be like, no, this is outrageous.
And I think the focus needs to be there because I see a lot of times you get pushed to a different topic, a different topic, a different topic.
Just stay on that one.
Hammer that one away.
Make them drowned on it.
You know what I mean?
If that happens, I think education could definitely get a run for the money for sure.
And I struggle with the whole idea of public education, regardless of what's going on today, because I tend to be like a very right-wing, small government, laissez-faire capitalist type guy.
That's that's where my mind's at, right?
And but on the other hand, I understand that it's good for everybody if everybody can read.
You know, like I own an advertising business, I make ads all day on social media, and it's good for my business that people know how to read those ads, right?
And so, so I'm not, I'm not opposed to the notion that there's, there's a place for some sort of like common core, for lack of a better term, I don't mean common core in the sense of 2012 Common Core, but I mean literally like a common core of, you know, basic arithmetic, basic, you know, reading comprehension skills.
But like most of the stuff that I think of as like absolutely fundamental is like the stuff that you know when you're, you learn by the time you're 15.
You know, all the stuff I picked up in philosophy and stuff like that, I didn't learn it in a university.
I learned it in prison behind bars.
Like, and I probably have more, you know, knowledge and a lot of material on philosophy than a lot of people went to school for it.
You know what I mean?
And if they did go to school for it, they were misled on many subjects and purposely lied to.
So I agree with you 100%.
You teach the child how to read, fundamentally read critically, analyze what he's reading, really think about the material, mathematics, basic science, the fundamentals, and then give him the option to take off in whatever direction he feels passionate about.
Let him go.
Let the bird spread his wings.
Nope.
Instead, they got this funnel on universities.
You got to go to university to get a good job.
Got to have a PhD.
It's nonsense.
I went to a trade school.
I learned how to pour concrete, make a killing.
I know many guys that have done the same.
And then I know people who work at restaurants right now waiting tables who got a PhD.
And this is in that article I shared with you: where if you are educated to an elite level, but there aren't elite opportunities because there's only so many elite level jobs.
There's only so many engineer positions.
There's only so many professor positions.
And if you're educated to that level and your only opportunities are waiting tables, you become a very bitter human being.
And that's like one of the, that's one of the problems that we set up for ourselves, I think, in the United States was there was this huge push in the second half of the 20th century for everybody college education and for it to be a liberal arts education.
And we neglected the trades because manufacturing, we outsourced to slave labor in China.
And ultimately, we're in this situation where these people graduate with their master's degrees in diversity, equity, and inclusion.
And they have to like make up problems and new jobs.
Like there's a whole industry around consulting on diversity, equity, and inclusion.
It's because there's no jobs for these fucks when they graduate.
You know, like they're not going to pour concrete.
Like when you think about Mussolini and Hitler and those guys in the first half of the 20th century when fascism became, you know, all the rage.
It's funny when you think about them because like they didn't have any historical examples to really look back on to know that fascism was bad.
You know, like they, they knew like you could look back on King George or whatever.
You could look back on monarchies, but a monarchy is different from a fascism.
They're similar in a lot of ways because there's a dictator, but they didn't know that it was bad.
It was reasonable to think theoretically at that time, without context, that maybe this is what my people need, right?
And we look back on these people like, oh, they were so evil.
And they were.
Don't get me wrong.
I'm not defending them by any means, but they had no way to know in their context that fascism was going to be a major problem.
And if you look at Hitler, for example, evil dude murdered a lot of innocent people, tens of millions, indefensible, but he really brought Germany out of a rut for a while until he blew it at the end.
And it's kind of, it's kind of strange to look at it that way because I'm no friend of fascism, but it really did some healing to a certain extent for a very short period of time in that country.
It's the most famous book on, it's huge on how that whole thing happened.
And it's really fascinating.
If you look at Germany right before the Nazis came to power, first of all, there were a million different political parties.
It wasn't just like right-wing, left-wing.
It wasn't like in the United States.
There were a bunch of different political parties.
And when the Nazis came to power in 33, there were 80 million people that lived in Germany, and only 2 million of them were Nazis.
Only one in 40 people actually belonged to the Nazi party or identified with it.
And what ultimately happened was the existing established government couldn't get anything done because the Nazis were like the tiebreaker, right?
And so they always had to go to the Nazis to get shit done, like when they couldn't agree or whatever.
And it's just crazy how they were able to leverage such a small amount of influence in order to ultimately take over the whole country and almost the entire Western hemisphere, right?
And but the one thing that I, that I've taken away from my study of it to this point is that something happens when unemployment gets up to 30%, like one in three people.
Because, you know, we have we have unemployment, you know, in the 5% to 10% range.
Like some of that's because the economy is bad, but a lot of that can be explained by like drug problems, mental health issues, what like other explanations that aren't really, you know, the system's broken, right?
And, but when you get unemployment up to 30%, when one in three people are getting up every morning and they're going out and they're looking for work all day and they're coming home having found none for months and then for years, there starts to be serious radicalization.
And I think the reason we haven't seen radicalization in the United States yet to the, I mean, we have a little bit, you know, with this Marxist shit, but we haven't seen real radicalization yet because it hasn't gotten bad enough.
We have to keep our shit together because if we get to a point where one in three Americans is unable to work, we're going to see some major radicalization, violent radicalization, Gestapo type shit.
And, you know, the thing that you said that was key to that is, you know, somebody to blame.
Well, that's justification.
Now, if the working class is already the people who are against a lot of these mandates and these policies, those are the people that will eventually be put out of work.
So it's clear where they stand.
Well, now you're giving them a reason to justify violence.
And I'm not saying that's what will happen, but these are all possibilities that could absolutely happen.
Well, now you gave them something to justify.
So now they're going to blame somebody.
Well, we told you guys that these mandates were going to mess everything up.
We told you guys voting this way was going to make this possible, right?
And that's how it starts to happen.
Now you're grooming a population of people to feel like they're justified in doing something about it, you know?
And not only that, but these were the people that were working, actually working, and now they're laid off.
Now, what does that turn into?
That's frustration.
That's rage.
That's resentment.
And now you gave them justification.
And people in the United States, you know, they pump that race stuff so deep and it's such nonsense.
Do you really think a population of working men would just be white?
You don't think they'd be Spanish?
You don't think they'd be?
Of course they would.
Now, what would that look like?
Do you think they're going to care about your macaroni sign in the street?
This is not the last time that we're going to talk.
I can tell, man.
We're going to be buds.
So I got a theory that I want to run by you and see what you think.
All right.
So I was looking at on Martin Luther King Day, I was looking at the photographs of the civil rights protesters, you know, and they were wearing like Sunday best, like suits to the nines.
They looked fucking great, right?
They're marching, they're arm locked, they're not destroying shit.
Everybody's shaved, buttoned up.
I mean, it is a classy looking protest, right?
And then I compared it to, you know, like some of the Black Lives Matter shit that was going on last summer with the fucking flags and the fires everywhere and shit.
I'm like, what the fuck happened?
And it occurred to me, dude, that like in the United States, after the Civil Rights Act passed in 1964, minority communities were getting by paycheck to paycheck.
Like they weren't rich, but they were making ends meet and it was okay.
And you could have, you know, a single, you could have one parent working and supporting an entire family.
There was the nuclear family in minority communities.
Divorce was low in minority communities.
There were Judeo-Christian values, right?
Very religious.
If you look at like the southern black community, I mean, we're talking gospel shit.
MLK, for example, is a classic example of this.
And then what happened was we went off the gold standard and we had that hyperinflation under Carter.
And those minority communities that were just getting by paycheck to paycheck, all of a sudden with 10% inflation, it wasn't enough anymore because their income didn't go up, but the cost of living did.
And so you had mom had to start working and then nobody was watching the kids.
And then you had, you know, kids turn into crime.
And then, you know, it manifests over 50 years.
And now we have all these fucking racial problems and these crime problems in these communities that weren't there in the 60s.
And it occurs to me that the whole entire cause is inflation.
Like if we could, if we could just solve the inflation problem, I honestly think we would solve our race problem in this country.
Well, the official number is 7.5%, but it's a lot higher than that.
They're lying about it because if they admit that it's higher, they have to pay, they have to pay more on social security benefits because social security payouts are tied to inflation.
So they lie about it.
And it's, I think it's closer to 15%.
I mean, I live in Austin, Texas.
I bought a house here two years ago.
It's up 50% in value.
And it's not just because it's a hot market.
Like, it's because the dollar is now worth shit.
You know, and the CPI, the way we measure inflation is like based on weird shit.
It's like compared to other currencies.
It doesn't even include stuff.
Like, I don't think it even includes cost of food, cost of housing.
It's like, it's like bizarre.
And since we're the global reserve currency, like it's, you can't really measure inflation that way, as I understand it, because when the value of the dollar goes up, then, you know, the other currencies like we're the reserve currency.
So when we move, everything else moves kind of relative.
And so the whole way that we measure inflation is just totally fucked up.
But it's way more complicated.
Like last year, I think we liquidated or we printed 42% of all dollars ever printed in COVID response.
And like, as soon as that money gets in circulation, man, like it's going to be hell to pay.
And the banks, man, like the banks.
I believe at one point in time, they only had to have 10% of the money that was deposited in the bank actually in the bank.
And I think they actually moved that down to zero during COVID.
I could be wrong about that.
But the thing is, man, like if the Federal Reserve gives a bank a million dollars, then they can legally lend out 10 million.
And so there's more debt than there is money to pay it.
When all the properties, while all the property values plummeted, there was a conglomeration and they bought everything up cheap and they made shit ton of money.
Man, honestly, dude, I would say, you know, just the people that you engage with day to day, that face-to-face interaction, there's a reason why they wanted people locked down and unable to do that face-to-face interaction.
Because when you exchange with people face-to-face, the message comes off differently.
You know, the tone of voice is there.
You can hear them.
You could feel what they're saying.
So my best advice would be, you know, if somebody's interested in that and you hear over here a discussion, somebody, you know, coworkers, educate them to the best of your ability.
Not educate them, but get them aware of what is really happening.
What's really at stake.
Try to get people, you know, somewhat motivated to get more involved than they are now.
Like I try to get people to understand this.
What is the point of living a life where you have to obey, think about everything you're going to say, make sure you don't say the wrong thing and live a certain way that other people demand of you.
Are you even living at that point?
And if so, and you come to understand that you're not, start to speak up while you still are able to.
You know, you don't have to be involved in it every day, but use your voice, man.
Society is outrageous at this point.
Everybody's seeing it now.
I mean, they got gender neutral bathrooms.
Men are going into the women's bathrooms.
They're bombarding your kids with indoctrination daily.
They're telling you you can't even do nothing about it.
They're telling you the economy is doing great.
You can't even find a steak from three different stores.
You're driving all around your neighborhood just to get a steak or a gallon of milk.
So, so I was, man, I want to know what you think about this.
I was, um, I asked my buddy, like, we were just horsing around one night and I asked him, I was like, man, do you think that Kim Jong-un likes his job?
Like, do you think he wakes up and he's like, today is going to be a great fucking day?
You know, I'm going to get an infinite pussy.
I'm going to eat as much chicken fried rice as I want.
You know what I mean?
Like, do you think he's just like set?
Or do you think that it's like so stressful that he's like always looking over his shoulder?
And I was like, man, like, why do people want power?
Because it seems like if you get it in that sort of a political environment, like a fucking dictatorship, like it's pretty dangerous, right?
Like, how many Caesars got whacked?
You know, I'm thinking about this.
I'm like, man, it seems to me that like when you have power, the only purpose that is meaningful is to is to is to keep it or grow it, right?
At a certain point, like that's just kind of human nature.
You've got that in you.
I've got that in me.
It's not that these people are necessarily worse or better than us or worse, worse people than us.
It's just that that's just the nature of power, like absolute power corrupts, absolutely, right?
I'm thinking, man, like all power really is, is freedom.
Because if you're omnipotent, you can do anything.
You have the purest form of freedom.
You can have any object, you can have any person, you can go anywhere, you can have any experience.
I mean, that is freedom, right?
And so ultimately, it seems to me that like what we all truly desire as human beings is as much freedom as possible.
And that what these, what these power, what the power class or the political class is doing is they're trying to manipulate the political system such that they never have to be concerned with maintaining their power again because it's they're sort of they're enslaved by by perpetuating their power and that's why that's what i think the incentive for globalism is because i had a really hard time trying to figure out why would why would joe biden want globalism because if we weaken
the united states in in in the world in order to level the playing field and have this globalist sort of you know macro society then doesn't that weaken his position doesn't that weaken his power and i'm thinking to myself no man because if we if they if the political class truly accomplishes a globalist government then they can guarantee that they'll never lose any power
so they don't have to worry about they don't have to think about power anymore there's no there's no voting anymore it's a it's a new serfdom it's like a new fiefdom right and i ultimately i think that's the aim it's like you know those who want to increase the power of government must inherently be uh opposed to the constitution because the constitution is a rule but there's a rule book that the government has to follow all the rules in there are for the government none of them are for us right they pass laws for us to follow but the constitution of the rules they have to follow that's why they fucking hate it so
much so i think that this globalist push is real i don't think it's really a conspiracy i don't think it's just a conspiracy theory from alex jones you know i i think that it's i think it's real and i don't know how um how uh guided it is or intentional it is but it seems like a natural manifestation that the political class is coming together and figuring out a way that it can basically neuter its neuter the people of the world and um ensure infinite power for uh
no absolutely ranting crazy no dude you're 100 right man you got the world economic forum talking about promoting people to eat bugs and live in pods they all they're all lockstep in the same kind of message in which they're sending you're absolutely 100 right and the only reason they throw that conspiracy thing is to make people that are hip to it sound crazy when we're not we're paying attention it's not a conspiracy and that's all that's that's what they do that's how they get people to and i brush it off man nah nah
you're overdue.
That'll never happen here.
I hate when I hear that when people go, oh, this is the United States.
That'll never happen here.
I'm like, Germany said that probably around the same time.
So did the people that were living in the Soviet Union when Stalin came to power.
You know, how many people said that during history?
Of course, it can happen here.
It can happen anywhere.
There's no guarantee that you won't experience some kind of totalitarian regime on full display just because you live in the United States.
You're seeing it right now.
But the thing with the globalism stuff, man, is if you really look deep into that, man, it's kind of unsettling because they pretty much own everything.
I mean, he might have, you know, went along with it.
I do think there was pressure added 100%.
But I mean, to me, it was kind of disappointing, man.
I got respect for Joe Rogan, but you got to know better than that.
What are you apologizing for?
If you didn't do anything wrong, how can you, as a man, with your platform that you have, go on camera and apologize for something that you know is being spun to make you look bad?
I've been listening to Joe Rogan for like five, six years.
2016, maybe is when I started.
And I originally got into him because I really liked when he had Jordan Peterson on after Jordan Peterson first became famous, you know.
And I really liked Grant the Graham Hancock episodes, you know, about ancient civilizations and shit.
I love all that stuff.
I'm in dork, right?
And I think Joe, this throughout his entire podcast career, has been nothing but genuinely himself.
And then, you know, he switched over to Spotify, which I was excited about.
I was like, great, made 100 million bucks allegedly.
And they didn't seem to be censoring him at all because all the shit that he was posting on Spotify for the past year is stuff that would have got him banned from YouTube, right?
Just different COVID stuff, different vaccine stuff, whatever.
And, you know, it's weird because this video, like of the compilation video of him using the racial slur, I don't think that's a new video.
I think that video had been going around like, you know, it's gone viral like several times over the years at different points.
And it's just very strange to me that he apologized like at this juncture.
And I don't know why, because he doesn't need money.
And maybe he was, maybe he was at risk of losing his contract with Spotify, but like, I just don't know why he would apologize unless he was genuinely sorry.
But at the same token, it's like it's totally counterintuitive that he would be generally genuinely sorry because I've been going back and listening to the episodes that he erased.
And I can tell that he means what he's saying in those episodes about freedom of speech and how this whole censorship stuff is stupid.
And I just can't see that kind of a reversal from him so immediately.
Like, if you knew you were going to die that way, and I hate to use the word fold, but if you knew eventually you were going to bend the knee, then why did you drag it out for so long in the first place?
Yeah.
Like, if you're, if you're setting your convictions that you will never bend the knee, you'll never bend it.
Like, I mean what I say.
I'll never apologize for anything I say.
I don't care if there's a mob of people outside my house with Tiki torches.
I'm not taking it back.
Like, no way.
I could never look at myself in the mirror.
I can't do it.
And if he was, you know, like that for this period of time, then why all of a sudden out of nowhere?
Like you said, at that specific time, boom, it makes no sense.
And he was getting offers from, I think, Rumble.
I know other people have had to reach out to him, like offering him like, let's get him.
What's crazy is he deleted all the episodes without telling any of the guests.
Like Michael Malice tweeted and was like, two of my episodes are deleted now.
What happened?
It's like, it's like, Joe, Joe didn't call you?
Like, he deleted them.
Like, you think that he would have called you and been like, hey, I'm going to remove a bunch of episodes a couple of years or ones because of something.
You know what I mean?
Like, for example, if I were ever to delete this episode because of some controversy 10 years from now, I'd call you, be like, hey, man, by the way, like, I'm famous now.
You're famous now.
I'm going to delete that episode.
Like, I wouldn't just do it and like have you be like, what the fuck happened?
What's creepy about it is that this whole deletion thing happened like within seven days of the Biden administration, you know, making that speech about shutting down misinformation on major media platforms.
Yeah, and label it, labeling it as terrorist threats, which is extremely dangerous too, because if you can't accurately describe what misinformation is and what these terrorists are, well, all they have to do is use the media to smear you, paint the picture, destroy you in the public image, charge you and throw you away.
Like if you are labeled as a domestic terrorist, a threat to national security, they can put you in Guantanamo for years without any charges, right?
You no longer have the rights of a U.S. citizen at that point.
So that's why I am very resentful of this language being thrown around of domestic terrorism and just labeling people on very vague and obscure terms as domestic terrorists, because you're basically just saying, no, your rights don't count.
And it infuriates me too, because a lot of the people from the left, you know, they've been fighting against, you know, wrongful prosecutions and, you know, et cetera, all those things like that.
And it's like, you don't see the setup here.
You don't see this play.
If you allow them to over something like that, you don't think they're going to come for you next.
You're only getting away with what you're getting away with because it's beneficial to the people power.
Once they obtain all that power, you're on the same menu as everybody else.
You're not special.
It's like, where is the consense?
Like these people have no common sense.
Like they just don't, they don't see it.
And I think that's one of the key differences between like working people, people that have been to prison.
Like we just have that.
We understand.
We're not fools, bro.
Like you're not going to pull that over.
We see it.
And for some reason, people that have never experienced something like that in their life, whether it doesn't have to be prison specifically, but been in the streets a little bit, been around the block at least once or twice.
They can't see it for some reason.
I'm like, how do you not see the dangers of that?
Giving somebody complete power to smear you whenever they want, if they feel like you're a threat to them, charge you for the smear and lock you up and throw away the key, bro.
So you know how like, you know, a lot of times kids become the opposite of their parents if their parents go too hard in any direction, right?
So if you like a lot of kids, like if your parents are like way too strict about religious stuff, then you see like those kids grow up and they kind of like become anti-religious, right?
That happened for like a generation.
There's other examples too, right?
There's sort of like this push-poll.
Do you think that the Generation Z that's in school now and they're like getting hormones and shit from their teachers, right?
Do you think that they're going to grow up and be like, no, that was not cool?
It's funny that the whole cat thing is taken off too, because cats are like famous for being like the street animal.
Like they, they're, they have like street smarts.
You know, they live, they hustle, they figure out where there's advantages, they get in fights, they claim their territory.
Like, it's so weird that like the cat thing is like taken off.
It's like, oh, like, they're so cute, man.
I'm a cat.
I identify as a cat.
But it's like, man, you're like identifying as an animal that is fucking ruthless.
First of all, it's a carnivore, right?
So it's not doing any of this vegan bullshit.
This thing like only wants to murder shit to eat, right?
Right.
So like right off the bat there.
Second of all, I've never ever met a cat that loved a human being, man.
I've met a cat that has cohabitated with the human being and you know, gotten along.
And, you know, maybe there's some, you know, give and take there.
They're like, you pet me, you pet me and I like it and I purr and shit.
But that cat does not give a fuck.
When you die, that cat's going to eat you.
Your dog's not going to eat you, but your cat's going to eat you.
It's so funny to me that the whole cat thing has been so adopted by the coddled, soft, left kind of young generation when a cat is like the that's a fucking predator, man.
I don't want to be on my nanny's lap getting stroked right now.
Don't bother me.
Get out of here.
But I feel bad, man.
I feel bad.
Imagine a teacher, right?
Knowing how absurd things are right now.
And some student, maybe 12 years old, goes, My pronouns are kitten, right?
That teacher probably starts sweating, doesn't know what to do, getting hot, having hot flashes, because you know you got to actually participate in this absurdity and call that human being a kitten.
I wouldn't be able to sleep after something like that.
I think I'd lose sleep.
I would have to go talk to somebody professionally about something like that.
Knowing I had to bow down to a student and call them a cat, I would never come back from that.
I'm on Leonard Peekoff right now, The History of Philosophy, which is another pretty good, it's a pretty dope one, but I'll definitely check out that one after for sure.
I grew up religious, but I started questioning things, man.
If I'm going to be honest, one time I was in church and they were talking about, you know, if you put your faith in the Lord, you shall never starve and all that.
Being religious is great.
I know many people that are religious, great people, my grandmothers, but I seen them passing around the collection plate and I'm like, I thought if I put my faith in this guy, I won't starve, but you're asking me for money in this basket.
And then I see the priest driving off a nice car.
I'm like, you guys ain't even practicing the faith that you're preaching on to me right now.
But I struggle with the details, but I will say that one of the things that I love about Jordan Peterson's biblical series, man, is that Peterson goes and he reads these stories from the Old Testament and he talks about the archetypes and the real meaning of the story, regardless of whether it's true, regardless of whether Cain actually killed Abel.
That doesn't matter.
Here's what the story means, right?
And when he started to, when I started to think of Christianity in that way, I suddenly got so much more from it because it doesn't matter whether or not Jonah was in the whale.
What is the metaphor of the story, right?
So, for example, like in the Old Testament, there's this famous scene where they're moving the Ark of the Covenant, right?
Which is where apparently the Ten Commandments were stored.
And God had said, Whatever you do, don't touch the fucking Ark of the Covenant.
It's like this box, right?
And so they're carrying it on like these rods, like Indiana Jones style, you know.
So they have like a platform for it and they would transport it.
So it had like rods, two people in the front, two people on the back, and this ark would sit on this plat, like this plank, right?
And anyway, like one of them trips and the ark starts to slide off the platform, you know, that they're carrying it on.
And like he reaches out to catch it so it doesn't hit the ground.
And as soon as he touches it, he gets struck by lightning, you know, smitten.
And it's like, holy shit, like if you believe that story literally happened, then the lesson that you take from that is the wrath of God.
Obey, don't question, don't question authority, you know, just fucking do what you're told, right?
But if you think about it metaphorically, maybe the lesson is don't do the wrong thing for the right reasons.
It's not like now, now I'm a better person because I'm not thinking of it like in a dogmatic, literal way.
You know, I'm not thinking about whether or not Jesus Christ literally came back from the dead, but I'm thinking about, okay, what does the resurrection mean in me?
Right.
So, you know, I don't know.
It's just that I highly recommend, like, regardless of the religious stuff, I get, I'm very disenfranchised with it too, because all the points that you just made.
But if you listen to like one or two of those Jordan Peterson lectures about like an Old Testament story like Cain and Abel or something, it blows your fucking mind, bro.
And I agree with what he's saying because there are things that they teach, you know, in the Bible that are biblical that you don't have to attack and get rid of them.
Whether or not you believe or not, they are rational things to live by, you know.
And I'll tell you what, man, this is something that I learned, and people will scoff at this.
There's a couple things about reading that I believe.
The first thing I believe about reading is that you'll get more from rereading your favorites than you will from trying to read all this new shit all the time.
Like, oh, I haven't read that yet.
Oh, people get distracted.
But if you go back and read a book that you haven't read three years, it's one of your favorites, it will speak to you differently.
So that's one thing that I believe.
The second thing that I believe is that with a lot of nonfiction, and I'm not talking about like philosophy, analytical philosophy or anything like that, because those guys, they needed every word the way they thought was just so dense and important.
But if you read like nonfiction today, a lot of the parameters for these books are based off of what the publishing companies demand because they know that a book has to be 280 pages in order to sell maximum.
It needs to be this thick.
It needs to be this font.
They have all these parameters that they put.
So like a lot of books are actually more like a 5,000 word essay that's been expanded into a 100,000 word book, right?
So I read, I read in nonfiction, I swear to God, I read the first sentence of every paragraph.
And if it's interesting, I read the whole paragraph until I get bored.
And then I read the first sentence of every paragraph again until I get interested again.
And I hammer through books in 90 minutes.
And I tell you, I know, I get it.
Like, I'm sure I'm missing some shit, but it's way more efficient, man.
Like, if I'm going to read a business book, you know, I don't have time to sit there for fucking eight hours and read every single word and every single little example.
I'm going to hammer through it and move on.
And I've read three books in a day before like that.