How To Overcome Facebook & The Virtual Government With Patrick Bet-David & Chase Geiser | OAP #57
Patrick’s amazing story starts with his family immigrating to America when he was 10-years old. His parents fled Iran as refugees during the Iranian revolution and were eventually granted U.S. citizenship.
Bio taken from: https://www.patrickbetdavid.com
After high school Patrick joined the U.S. military and served in the 101st Airborne before starting a business career in the financial services industry. After a tenure with a couple of traditional companies, he was inspired to launch PHP Agency Inc., an insurance sales, marketing and distribution company – and did so before he turned 30.
PHP is now one of the fastest growing companies in the financial marketplace. Patrick is passionate about shaping the next generation of leaders by teaching thought-provoking perspectives on entrepreneurship and disrupting the traditional approach to a career. Patrick’s popularity surged and created a buzz in the hearts of entrepreneurs all over the world when The Life of an Entrepreneur in 90 Seconds, a video he created, accumulated over 30 million views online (It became a book in June 2016: The Life of an Entrepreneur in 90 Pages ). That video and scores of other videos comprise his library of edifying, educational and inspirational content about entrepreneurship – all available at Valuetainment, a media brand he conceived and founded. Valuetainment exists to teach about the fundamentals of entrepreneurship and personal development while inspiring people to break from limiting beliefs or other constraints and achieve their dreams. It has been referred to as “the best channel for entrepreneurs.”
Patrick speaks on a range of business, leadership and entrepreneurial topics including how and why to become an entrepreneur and the importance of learning how to fully process issues. He is particularly passionate about the need for every individual to pursue their desires, once stating, “Most of the greatest world changers and heroes of all time are at the graveyard undiscovered because they never sold out to their dreams and desires.” Patrick has also hosted a series of one-on-one interviews with some of the world’s most interesting people, including NBA Hall of Famers James Worthy and Magic Johnson, Author Robert Greene, Billionaire Entrepreneur and NBA team owner Mark Cuban, Indy-500 Winner Al Unser Jr., Apple co-founder, Steve Wozniak, author and entrepreneur Robert Kiyosaki, and many others.
From a humble beginning as a young immigrant escaping war-torn Iran with his parents, to founding his own company, Patrick has gained a first-hand understanding of what rags-to-riches means and how it is fueled by freedom and opportunity – the core tenants of the American Dream.
uh patrick bet david it's an honor and a pleasure to have you on the podcast how are you doing sir very good chase it's good to be on with you it's a real pleasure so uh what's been going on i saw that you just got a new ferrari congratulations yes a thousand horsepower uh sf90 that's gonna probably get my license suspended for the third time but it's it's incredible i go to this student today i came to work with it today it's absolutely insane That is awesome.
Well, I really enjoyed, I really, I've really enjoyed your content for a number of years.
I remember I was starting, I own a small advertising business and I started that in 2016.
And one of the first pieces of content that I saw from you, which is something I shared with you when we were direct messaging on Twitter, was that classic video about the entrepreneur story and people just see the Ferrari, but they don't see all the hard work that goes into it.
And I remember I cried when I saw that video, not like, you know, a weepy wuss cry, but like a man tear.
Yeah, I was like, you know, I really hope that this, I really hope that this plays out.
And it did.
And, you know, I attribute my success to many influencers and many books, things like Zero to One and Tim Ferriss and all these great minds that have been such an awesome source of inspiration and knowledge for me.
And you fall into that category.
So I really appreciate all the work that you've been doing.
And one of the other reasons why I wanted to have you on the show is because I started this podcast called One American Podcast.
And the whole purpose of it is to sort of reawaken Americanism, the philosophy of like what it means to be American, what America actually means.
Not so much what the United States government is or the things that our government does, but what it actually is supposed to mean to be an American or to be American just generally.
And I thought that you would be a great guest to have on to talk about that a little bit just because your background in entrepreneurship and sort of the, I'm getting the impression from you that you've sort of got a pro-capitalism, pro-America sentiment and vibe behind you.
So, you know, I was raised in a family where my mother's side, they were all communist.
Their Bible was the communist manifesto.
And my dad believed in imperialism.
So I was raised in a family where my mom's side thought rich people were greedy and my dad's side thought poor people were lazy.
So I mean, it's a very interesting dynamic there.
And then we came to the States.
I went to school.
And I remember when I was in this, I don't know what it was, maybe econ, and everybody started talking about politics, Democrats, Republicans, all this stuff.
And I went home and I asked my mom, I said, mom, what are we?
Are we Democrats or are we Republicans?
And my mom said, well, we're Democrats.
I said, well, really awesome.
We're Democrats.
Why are we Democrats?
He said, Democrats are for the poor and Republicans are for the rich.
I said, you know what?
When I grow up, I want to be a Republican one day.
I want to be rich one day.
I don't know what's Republican and Democrat.
But the point was, I was sick and tired of being poor.
Parents got a divorce, welfare baby, 1.8 GPA.
I had a job right after.
I'm a 6'4 and a half guy.
I'm 6'4.5, 6'5, and I've never played organized sports.
And I've been tall since I was in ninth grade because I always had a job after high school.
So when school would get out at 3.30, I'd go straight to Hagen-Daz.
When school would get out, I'd go to Bob's Big Boy.
I'd go to Burger King.
So instead of playing organized sports, I'd go to my job because we didn't have any money.
I was not from a family.
I've never lived in a house in my entire life until I bought my own place.
I always lived in an apartment complex.
I don't know what it is to be in an apart.
Friends of mine who lived in an apartment with a swimming pool were the rich friends.
That should kind of give you an idea about my upbringing and where I was at.
But yeah, I lived in Iran 10 years, two years in Germany at a refugee camp, came to the States, went to the U.S. Army right after high school, sat at 1.8 GPA, went to 1001st Airborne Air Salt.
I got out.
I wanted to be a bodybuilder.
I wanted to be Mr. Olympia.
And then I met a girl at Venice Beach, California.
Her name is Wes Jean Vierre.
And she was working at Morgan Stanley Dean Wither.
She started telling me about how great of a career it is.
I said, I'd love to work there.
She said, they're not going to hire you without a four-year degree.
I said, I'm not going to college.
It was a UCLA grant.
She said they're just not going to do it.
Anyways, I submitted my resume.
Eventually, I ended up getting a job with Morgan Stanley Dean Wooder at Glendale a day before 9-11.
It was my first day, Monday.
The next day, 9-11 happens.
My 20-year anniversary in the financial industry just was celebrated three weeks ago.
I went to a school, Armenian school, and an Assyrian school, but Armenian school was called Gurbengyan.
And I remember I'd be looking outside the street and I would see thousands of men walking and flagellating their backs with a trail of blood.
I mean, this was a regular Tuesday in Iran.
It wasn't like it's a big deal.
There was a lot of protesting against U.S. the constant tone you would hear is madik bad amrika, which is death upon America.
And I was common.
So it wasn't a, it wasn't a scene you wanted to have your kids see.
And when the war took place between Saddam and Khomeini, we kept getting bombs.
And one day in Tehran, we got bombed 167 times.
And all you would hear is a whistling sounds.
So eventually we escaped.
We went to a city called Karaj, which is like the Palm Springs of LA, two and a half hours out, like the desert type of area.
And then Saddam started bombing Karaj.
And then from Karaj, we escaped to Bandar Pal Avi.
Bandar Pal Avi is like Long Beach is where we went.
And we stayed there.
And then he started bombing a city right outside of Bandar Pal Avi called Rasht.
And then eventually, after all of these things taking place, my mother eventually said, we got to leave because if we stay here, your son has to go, meaning I have to go in the military at 12.
And my mom and dad agreed.
They left.
We went to refugee camp with my mom and my sister.
My dad came to U.S. and then my parents' father divorced.
So it wasn't, we had two channels we would watch and the channel, everything was about how amazing Khomeini is and how terrible America is.
These are two channels you watch non-stop.
Any movie you watched was underground movies like we would watch Rocky 100 times.
I watched Rocky IV, but it was in Farsi.
And if they knew you had it, you'd go to jail.
You can't have American movies.
What else can I tell you?
First time I had Nutella was because one of my relatives from Germany sent us Nutella and I thought this was the greatest thing since sliced bread.
First time I had banana, I was 11 years old in Germany.
I couldn't believe God would create such an incredible fruit like banana and we didn't have it in Iran.
Ananas, pineapple, didn't have it till Germany.
Anonas is in Farsi is pineapple.
But anyways, these small little things that it's not a big deal.
But you eventually, all these movies you would watch, how amazing America was in Americas and all this other stuff.
Man, one day we got to go to America.
So every time somebody would get their green cards to go to America or go to Germany or go to Australia, anybody that was leaving Iran, there'd be the biggest parties.
And I'll never forget those parties because I would always get the leftover Legos and Lego was the toy for rich people in Iran.
So what percentage of the population, and I know you were just a kid, so I don't expect you to necessarily know this off the cuff, but what percentage of the population do you think was actually that radicalized?
Do you think it was a small, you know, like 5% or 10% that was just bullying everyone into submission?
Or do you think that a significant portion of the population was actually very anti-American?
It's just like America today, you know, like the media sells it as if everybody hates everybody.
It's not everybody that hates everybody.
Democrats, most Democrats don't hate Republicans and most Republicans don't hate Democrats.
It's the extremists that get the biggest platform and who are the best complainers that get everybody to think everybody's like that.
And then when you have the mouthpiece of the mainstream media, they get the populace to believe that that's exactly what's going on, which is not the truth.
I mean, I have friends who are Democrats.
I have friends who are Republicans, independents, libertarians, and we'll sit down and have the greatest conversation over a few drinks and good food and we laugh, we crack up, and we simply disagree on a few things.
One thing that I've struggled with just as an entrepreneur the past year or so, really, is really since COVID is that when I started my business in 2016, there was this great sense of optimism.
The economy was booming.
It was constantly improving.
Trump was president, which was something that resonated in a positive way for me personally.
But it's been difficult for me psychologically to overcome the overwhelming doubt and fear about what's happening in America today.
So in terms of being worried about the status of the dollar as the global reserve currency, being very suspect of everything that our government is doing, whether or not this administration actually is sold out or not to foreign interests, right?
And so how do you recommend that people overcome that doubt?
Because it's very, any, I firmly believe that anybody can be successful, but they have to believe that they can be successful.
And the challenge for me now is believing that the environment is conducive to success.
Look, I mean, the environment is always conducive for success.
And if it gets too far left, then you lose your job creators and they leave, just like the job creators left Iran, just like the job creators left Yugoslavia, just like many of the job creators left Cuba or Venezuela.
The job creators are, here's the best way to look at job creators.
Think about a drop dead gorgeous girl who's 21 years old, who's in a relationship with a guy for three years.
Dude, whatever drop dead means to you, she dates a guy who's an absolute a-hole, treats her like crap for two and a half years.
They break up.
She's heartbroken.
He says a lot of terrible words.
And she's got challenges for about a month, really, you know, trying to recoup and recoup and kind of get herself back up to say, okay, I'm going to get back into the dating scene.
Do you think the market is filled with people who would love to be with her?
Massive.
I mean, the market is not lacking.
It's not going to be, oh, there's nobody in the market to find somebody like her.
Well, let me give you another one.
Let's just say a guy who's a stand-up guy, 24 years old, hardworking, attractive, works out, takes care of his body, smart, you know, makes his own money, independent, respects his family, respects his parents, is a man with values and principles.
And he dates a girl and she leaves him and goes with another guy.
And he's like, wait a minute, what did I do wrong?
And he's actually a great guy.
But she decides to leave him because she just meets another guy and she leaves.
Do you think the market lacks women who want to be with a man like him?
I think I even got on Twitter in 20, I don't even know what year I got on Twitter.
I got on Facebook late.
I got on MySpace late.
I got on YouTube.
I got on everything late.
I just got on TikTok.
If you go look at my first post on TikTok, it's just like recently.
So I'm not like I'm the one that was there early.
I started creating content privately for my sales team.
So I was working on Morgan Stanley Dean Wooder in 2001.
In 02, I go to Trans America.
I'm with them for seven and a half years.
In October of 09, after everything that was going on during that time in the marketplace, I was looking at how the average agent in the insurance industry was a 57-year-old white male.
I saw women were becoming entrepreneurs at a very rapid pace and there was women empowerment taking place.
I saw a major demand for the Hispanic community and the needs of insurance.
And then a few other things I saw social media was not a play in the insurance industry.
So I left trans October 19th, started my own insurance company, and I used what I learned at Valley's, Military, Morgan Stanley, and Trans combine it together.
And that formed our insurance company.
We grew it from one office to today.
We have roughly 150 offices nationwide.
We're pulling the United States.
And we have roughly 16,000 insurance agents today.
De La Joyo became one of our investors.
Gabrielle Brenner became one of our investors.
CIBC, I think it's the biggest bank in Canada, is one of our bigger investors on what they've done.
And this thing's growing to what it is today.
So now social, I was creating content privately and I was using that to train my sales guys nationwide.
And I did that for a while.
2013 was the first time I made a public piece of content, a piece of content that went public.
And then gradually for two years, I was shooting a video once a week.
And it was called Two Minutes with Pat.
Two years later, I was all over the place.
I said, choose one word, one topic that you can talk about.
And that one word for me became entrepreneurship.
And that's all I started doing.
And three years later, our channel was at like 455,000 subscribers.
I took a break because I was doing seven videos a week.
I said, this is just too much.
I'm not willing to do it.
It's creating content for entrepreneur magazine.
I was on the entrepreneur magazine on a monthly basis.
Centerfold was like pretty much me every weekend.
But it's draining to create a lot of content, especially when I'm having a kid.
I got four kids at this point and they're young and I'm, you know, startup, CEO, found, bored.
And then the second time around, when we came back, we shut down the channel for 90 days.
I said, if we come back, I really want to come back because I want to do something big with this thing.
So there was a company that was a publicly traded company called Valutainment.
We came up with this name.
I didn't know there was another company called Value Tame.
I Google it.
It comes up.
I called the CEO guy named Dirk.
I said, hey, would love to buy your domain.
He says, I'm a publicly traded company out of Germany.
I said, I know, but I'd love to buy your domain.
He says, I'm not selling my domain.
I said, give me a number in case if I were to buy it today.
He says, like a million bucks.
I'm not selling it today.
Anyways, I said, I just want to let you know, I'm going to create so much content that the world's going to see us as value teammates and not you.
I'd much try to do the deal today.
He says, I'm not doing anything with you.
Two and a half years later, I bought his domain for $27,000 and he changed his company into Value T's.
And we became Valutain.
He changed it to Value T's.
Anyways, fast forward today, a few million subscribers, a few billion online views total.
And I think the bigger part was focus.
The other part is the fact that I'm talking about the pains I'm going through as a CEO, as a founder, as a man, as all of this stuff.
I'm sharing those experiences with the audience on what tips I would give.
And the audience has grown.
And then through my journey of doing content, I've interviewed some interesting people that I'm curious about.
And that's brought a whole different level of interest.
But I've never once said or ran a funnel to say, hey, now that you see my content, if you'd like to buy an insurance policy with me, click on this link below.
Zero times I've ever done that.
I've never done a content on Valutain where I've said, if you ever want to be an agent, never.
Those words have never come out of my mouth.
Contact me, text me, call me, go on the site, never.
So because I've kept the two businesses very different and they've each respected each other, both audiences have stayed loyal.
I think sometimes people commingle audiences and the audience knows you're using them.
Because in 2013, you know, really even closer to 2010, Facebook was sort of the Wild West in terms of if you posted content that had that was good content that had viral potential, it was going to reach a lot of people.
And then sort of after they went public, you saw the effort continue toward monetization rather than organic reach, right?
So Facebook's algorithms have changed for a lot of a lot of pages where, you know, if you post something, you're not really reaching your followers unless you boost it.
So how did your strategy change?
And how have you been impacted by things like increased censorship and things of that nature over the course of the last eight years that you've been really pushing?
Yeah, I mean, it's not easy because if you stay the same and you don't create yourself, people will be bored.
Eventually you will bore them.
It's like a relationship and a marriage when you're married and you eventually just keep doing the same thing over and over, like you get into a routine of a sex.
You know, everything is just routine that you do.
That marriage is going to lose spice.
You got to mix it up or else it's going to be a boring marriage that you have.
As a talent, this is why a sting has a kind of respect that he has because he's had a number one hit in four different decades.
This is why Ray Charles is legendary because he's had a number one hit for four different decades.
And a lot of times you'll see an actor that did get in the 80s, but you don't hear about him in 2000, 2010, or an actor that was great in 2000, but you haven't seen him do any work because it's just one-dimensional.
It's not easy.
It's a lot of pressure.
And so you, as an individual, have to always, you know, both deliver Jerry Springer one time took a show and he was a former mayor of Cincinnati.
So he says, I'm more than just a talk show host.
I know a lot about politics.
And he started going into the very serious stuff that he was talking about.
And his audience is like, what are you talking about?
The audience is a stay-home mom or a stay-home, you know, a wife that's staying home watching you.
They want entertainment.
They don't want you to be talking about politics.
So his ratings drop.
So there's a balance of knowing who your audience is where you don't shock them all of a sudden, yet at the same time, recreating yourself to create a new level of excitement for the audience to keep being interested.
There's a reason why these shows like Friends, there's a reason why these shows that crushed it for a year, two years, three years, four years eventually stop because it eventually is no longer exciting for the audience.
So you got, you got to figure out where to stay excited, you know, stay relevant and exciting to the audience.
One of the things that's most fascinating to me from an advertising standpoint, since this has been my professional focus, is just the general concept of zeitgeist, right?
Like the spirit of the times.
And you can see it really obviously if you look at movies or entertainment or fashion in like the early 2000s versus after the crash in 06, 08 kind of time period, where before the emphasis was on, you know, there was a lot of gold chains, a lot of like rap music videos that were flaunting all sorts of wealth.
And then sort of after 06 and 08, you see this hipster fashion come in where it's cool to look like you're poor, even if your clothes are designer clothes, right?
And I don't know if it had to do with people just being ashamed of having money after, you know, so many people were struggling, but there are real world events that occur that change the zeitgeist or the spirit of the times.
And the content that we see that resonates, like with Friends, for example, is a great example.
And to me, that show was popularized in an era where we had sort of our first generation of coming of age young adults who had divorced parents.
And the theme, the zeitgeist of that show, was you can choose your family.
Your friends are your family, right?
They did Thanksgiving together.
It was Friendsgiving.
And the whole thing was choose your family.
It's not about where you come from.
It's about the family that you choose later.
And that really resonated.
And yeah, you know, it ran its course.
It had its time and it was over.
And I think it ended at the right time.
But I do agree with you that there's this sort of zeitgeist.
And I think a lot of people think that if they're doing something now that works, it will always work.
When really the reason it works now is because it's resonating with an audience, but that audience is going to grow and change.
We have different chapters in our lives.
So you have to kind of figure out how to grow and change with them.
I mean, at the top, you have to know who your number one enemy is.
Obviously, set aside the fact that we are our own worst enemy.
Let's set that part aside.
China being number one, no question about it.
You got to be careful with where they're at because they keep getting stronger and people are looking at them too lightly, or they're just kind of like, well, you know, we have to respect their methods.
You have to respect their this.
And they're making the world adjust to them rather than us making them adjust to us.
A very weird dynamic.
Very rarely does a number one adjust to a number seven.
But that's what U.S. did 20 years ago because China was number seven.
U.S. was number one.
Rather than number seven, adjusting to number one.
Because if you look at Russia, Russia adjusted to U.S. when Reagan said, hey, you know, tear that wall down and they went to capitalism.
Russia adjusted to U.S. and they believed in capitalism, free enterprise, all that other stuff.
China's been like, we'll do capitalism, but we're going to run the government as communism.
We can silence anybody at any time, but it's our way or the highway.
You disrespect us.
You're out of here.
And out of here doesn't mean you're out of China.
Out of here means you're out of anybody knowing where you are.
You're going to be going away for a while.
So that's the second part.
The way money is being handled today by us just feeling like we can just hand money out to people left and right.
And this is the solution.
Hey, you know, let's just print another three and a half trillion, another five and a half trillion, another one and a half trillion.
It's not a big deal.
We can afford it.
We're the richest family.
I don't know.
We're the richest country.
Well, how is it the fact that the richest country in the world cannot offer this?
And we're doing this with college education.
We are becoming that greedy kid whose parents died and left him with a billion dollars.
And he never worked for that billion dollars, but he's spending the hell out of that billion dollars.
And that's what these politicians are doing with the money that the job creators created the last 270 plus years.
They're wasting all that money.
And they're taking all that money and giving it to people that are not working today and making everybody else who's working feel guilty about it.
And they're silencing them, which is, it's a big concern of mine when it comes down to inflation, printing money, all that stuff.
And last but not least, the third concern I would put on there would be the whole thing that we can no longer have debates.
Everybody has to agree with each other.
We cannot sit there and God forbid somebody says, you know, Trump is a good president.
Oh my gosh, it's the end of the world.
God forbid somebody says Karl Marx is a humanitarian.
I interviewed a guy the other day who's a professor at Riverside Community College.
And he said the two greatest leaders of our time are Mao and Stalin.
I asked this guy, I said, if a 22-year-old is watching this right now, and I'm supporting capitalism, you're selling communism.
If a 22-year-old has a choice between being a Jeff Bezos, he goes and creates one and a half million jobs versus going and being the next revolutionary Stalin, which one's better for the world?
He says, it's not even close.
It's Stalin.
I said, let me get this straight.
You would much rather have this 22-year-old be Stalin over Bezos?
He says, absolutely.
Stalin did more good for the world than Bezos ever did.
This is his mindset.
But you know what's crazy?
It's okay for him to talk.
There's nothing wrong with him to talk.
We shouldn't panic about it for him to talk.
But we also shouldn't talk about people if they want to have a debate to see, why aren't we doing more research on vaccine?
Why aren't we doing more research on this tax system?
Why aren't we doing more research on whatever it is?
Just more discourse rather than being so afraid of, God forbid, somebody disagrees with us.
So censorship concerns me.
The direction we're going with the economy concerns me and China concerns me.
Yeah, you can't just cut off trade with China because a lot of companies would take a hit and you would automatically see an Apple watch.
The price would triple or Apple would be this prices.
It wouldn't be the strategic move to do.
But I think the tariffs route was great.
You got to figure out a way to slow them down.
You got to figure out a way to get other countries to stop doing business with them to say if you do business with them, you can't do business with us.
China has to know who's in, you know, who is the, what is the philosophy that allows people to be free thinkers.
What I look at that retains value the most is non-duplicatable asset, meaning stuff that you cannot reprint or duplicate more of.
We cannot build more gold than we currently have today.
Right?
There is a limited amount of cryptocurrency you can buy today.
There's a limited amount of 1986 FLIR Michael Jordan rookie cards, PSA 10 graded.
It's limited.
There's a limited amount of waterfront properties in Florida, in California.
There's a limit.
Whatever is a limited amount that cannot be duplicated, that's one way to hedge.
Now, if inflation does take place, like what products would do well if an Armageddon were to take place?
Stocks?
No.
Stocks are not going to do well if Armageddon takes place.
So if you're going all the way to the Armageddon side, you need to have, you know, gold.
You need to have certain, you know, certain things that will trade during that time where that's going to be a value.
You know, whether it's protection for yourself, whatever that protection may be based on the laws that your state offers with rifles, with guns, with ammo, there's a level of protection as a former military guy that you see that in case something somebody tries to do anything to your family.
But, you know, you have to be ready with that part.
Economically, we know what does well.
When people think it's the end of the world, we know what investments do very well.
When people are extremely cocky, we know what does well and what doesn't do well.
So right now, people are way too cocky.
People are way too confident.
There's way too much fake success in America today.
Way, way too much fake success in America today.
And people assuming that this is going to last forever are naive because inflation cannot stay at the rates it's at today.
It's going to go up.
Michael Burry the other day was talking about what he's shorting and what he's longing.
He said he bought puts for Facebook because he bought puts, meaning that they're not going to do good.
Tesla, $730 million of options he's got on Tesla that Tesla is going to go down.
Now, on the opposite side, he's about call options on CBS, Walmart, because Walmart is not going to, if market collapses, people need to go buy this stuff because they need to buy Walmart's not going to go away.
Facebook's not going to go away.
Google's not going to go away because people are going to need those ads.
So he's sitting there weighing it out.
But at the same time, he's saying one of the biggest collapses is coming up with the direction markets going.
You can't constantly set aside inflation, not inflation, interest rates and keep them low for five, six, seven, eight years, assuming everything's going to be normal.
No, when these are rates, this is the rates.
When rates are low, this is how it looks like.
When rates are low, prices of home are high.
But when rates are high, prices of home drops.
Rates are right now low, which means a million dollar home today could be a $600,000 home in 12 months if rates change.
So there's a lot of fake success and fake money being made.
And when this thing happens, you're going to know who was really ready for it and who was not.
And we know history tells us more than half of people, when they create a lot of fake success, lose everything they had because they were not ready for anything.
You got certain people that have made a lot of money because they put 100% of their money in Bitcoin or Ethereum and they refinance, cashed out the equity out of their house and they put it in crypto and boom, everybody calls them a genius, right?
During that moment, you're a genius.
But the moment it flips and that goes down and you lose all of that plus the equity in your house, plus your credit card debt, plus all of that, plus the divorce, plus hell, plus anxiety, and you have a setback for three to five years, people also call you reckless.
So for every one person that becomes lucky and, you know, all of a sudden accumulates massive success and massive wealth for themselves because they simply made too big of a risky decision.
There's 99 people that are on the, you know, that completely lost everything.
And we're going to see this.
It's just time will tell.
You're not going to know who's right, who's wrong.
But Michael Burry's not wrong in what he's saying.
When you, in 2006, 2007, I can't tell you how many people I saw taking money out of 401ks and buying homes because they thought real estate was going to keep going up.
And then real estate tanks, they lost their 401k.
They lost their equity.
They lost their house.
Now they got a short sale.
Now they got all that stuff bankruptcy on their credit.
So do you think that we're on the brink of some sort of massive financial disruption in terms of all the inflating that we're doing to our currency?
And I think people forget that inflation really is a poor tax because it really only hurts people that don't have the paycheck to paycheck class because there are people that don't have enough money to invest in assets that appreciate at the same rate or a higher rate even yet than inflation.
And so what happens is their buying power just goes away.
And I wish that there was a way for us to communicate that to the average American person, that these stimulus packages aren't just handouts.
They're actually taxes on those who they claim to help the most.
And I don't know.
My concern is that if we continue to go down this road, we're going to be in a position where there's really no middle class.
There's only the incredibly poor and the incredibly rich.
Do you anticipate increased regulation on Bitcoin and blockchain tech?
Because as incredible as the tech is and decentralized it is as it is, it would be very easy for the government to just shut down all the exchanges, hyper-regulate, hyper-monitor, make it illegal to transact.
Do you think that we're going to face those sorts of challenges over the next decade?
Well, and part of the beauty of Moore's Law and what we've seen the last 20 years with the development of tech, in my opinion, is that we've been able to innovate faster than government can regulate, but it seems like that is curbing a little bit.
And I don't know why.
I don't have a sophisticated enough understanding of tech and economics in order to say why, but it does feel as if the regulatory power of the government is starting to move at as fast or faster of a rate than the innovative capacity of tech has been the last few years.
And I don't know if it's for economic reasons or what's going on, but it seems to me that as long as we're innovating faster than they're regulating, that we're going to have sort of an edge over regulators and we're going to have a bend toward freedom and liberty on the internet and with these technologies.
But if that innovation can't outpace regulation, then we could be in serious trouble.
I mean, you make a good point, but never underestimate the power of a control freak who likes regulating and telling you what to do, who cannot stand free thinkers who independently make their money without needing their help.
You know, there are people who are offended when you don't think you need them.
Let me say that one more time.
There are egotistical people who are offended when you don't need them.
And those are folks who work for the government.
Many politicians are offended when a business owner says, no, I'm good.
Yeah, I mean, listen, I had a meeting this Sunday morning, eight o'clock.
One of the bigger fundraisers for Trump was at my house.
And one of the bigger donors, pretty well-connected lady was at my house.
And we're having a meeting together.
And they're talking about, do you have any desire of ever doing any kind of politics, stuff like that?
And I said, you know, I love doing business.
I love building business.
And they're saying, well, you know, what if this, what if that?
And I said, it's not the first time.
I was in California at 29 years old and of a guy that was a pretty connected guy sat down and had a conversation with me if I have any aspirations to be in a governor in California.
I said, I'm good.
I love business way too much.
I think the way I see it is the following way.
I'm in Chicago.
And in Chicago, I'm sitting at the Ritz-Carlton.
I go downstairs from my hotel.
I see 2,000 young, good-looking, sharp, well-dressed African-American ladies, gents, talking, eloquent speakers.
And I said, guys, what is going on here?
I go in the room.
I open up.
I'm like, wow, insane.
I said, what's going on?
We are the future African-American men and women lawyers of America.
Who inspires you guys?
Barack Obama, sir.
Good for you guys.
Good for you that somebody is selling that vision to go law.
Why?
Because you can create new laws, you can control, you can argue.
There's a lot of power in being a lawyer, right?
They know how to make life a living Kel, but they're also necessary in certain instances.
The free thinker community is so competitive and there's so much about being left alone that sometimes they don't want to come together and sit down.
Let's get all those smart guys in a room who are like fully on the same page of free thinkers, get 100 of them in the same room together.
And we ask, who would actually run?
Nobody.
Who do you know that we run?
And you talk to one another.
What are we going to do with the virtual governments?
And how are we going to go up against Twitter, YouTube, Facebook?
These guys are going to keep getting bigger.
What's our great equalizer?
We don't own mainstream media, but we also don't own social media.
And now many people on the left can't stand Facebook because their worry is they have the mainstream media in their pocket.
They don't have Facebook in their pocket.
They got to get rid of Facebook because, God forbid, if Facebook allows the right to drive their campaigns, maybe they can win some election.
So we have to figure out how to hurt Facebook.
Now, don't get me wrong.
I interviewed a whistleblower yesterday who was a former moderator for Facebook, and he told me what things was going on.
Facebook's got some problems that they got to address, no question about it.
But I would much rather have that button of controlling the content be controlled by Facebook than that button being controlled by somebody at the government.
If Facebook's buttons are controlled by someone in the government, you're screwed.
You're over with because they're already going to get access to everything you're talking about.
It's catastrophic if that does take place.
So my suggestion would be bring the 100 heads together from different industries: Hollywood, real estate, business, media, sports, talent, sports ownership, and pick a place to go where you go and sit down and have a two-day meeting together and then put up the top 10 issues.
How do we address these?
And then recruit people.
Hey, we think you ought to run.
We think you ought to run.
You know, Johnny, we think the way you communicate, you ought to run.
Run for what?
Whatever.
Go Senate, governor, go president, but you got to get involved in.
I have no interest.
And then there's going to be the wound and selling and because you know, like the journey of a hero, the hero never wants to be the hero.
It's just like leave me alone.
And there's some convincing process.
So someone's got to recruit these people.
They're not going to just wake up and tell them to go do someone's got to settle behind closed door and say, you're the guy.
We got to get you and we're going to back you up.
That I think that needs to happen a little bit more than it is today.
You know, I really enjoy the part of the conversation that you had with Rogan about the virtual governments, you know, the big tech platforms, specifically with social media, not just Google, but social media.
And I thought it was interesting how you asked him if he'd ever thought about starting his own platform.
And I thought he had a great response: listen, I love my life.
That's a full-time gig and I love what I'm doing.
But, you know, when I look at these other platforms like Parlor and Gab and Getter, the problem with them is that they're not looking at how the existing platforms became successful, right?
So if you look at Facebook, TikTok, Twitter, MySpace, even, right?
If you look at these platforms that actually blew up in a viral way in a very hyper-successful way within a short period of time, what they did was they made something that was fun for everyone that was apolitical and it had mass adoptive adopt adoptability, right?
And they had different nuance and different strategies to how they specifically executed that.
Facebook was, you know, started out at the elite colleges.
MySpace was sort of for everybody with an emphasis on musicians and bands and artists and stuff like that.
So there were differences in the details, but when push came to shove, they just made platforms that were fun for everyone to use.
Now, when you look at like Getter, Gab, and Parler, what they've done is all they've done is leaned on the promise for no censorship.
And they've just gotten one hyper-specific demographic to join their platform, primarily people who are Trump supporters who are just pissed off at big tech and elections, right?
So basically, you wind up with like three or four platforms that has everybody who would ever say the N-word or disagree with the election results and no one else.
So what we need to do from the right, in my opinion, is create a platform that's awesome and just so happens to have freedom of speech.
That's not the branding strategy.
That's not the launch strategy.
We just have to make an awesome social media platform that everybody wants to use.
And then 10 years down the road, when censorship becomes an issue, it's just not going to be an issue on this new platform.
So I don't know what the solution is there.
And maybe the problem is that the greatest minds in tech aren't traditionally on the right in terms of what education background they have.
They tend to live in Silicon Valley, which is very blue.
There's sort of a very monochromatic type of person involved in tech.
But I wish that there was somebody like a teal or like the rights version of a Zuck or a Darcy who could come along and create something new that had the promise of freedom of speech, but did not brand on that promise, you know?
