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Aug. 20, 2021 - One American - Chase Geiser

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The Tower Gang, Toad & Fat Dave From Tower Power Hour, Have An Offensive Conversation | OAP #47

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	They are easy, but because they are hard.
	Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.
	A date which will live in infamy.
	I still have a dream.
	Good night.
	And good luck.
	All right, so who are you guys?
	And what are you doing on my podcast?
	I don't know.
	What the hell is wrong with you?
	Dude, I just first want to say that that fucking intro is a bop, dude.
	I was sitting back there just like vibing with that.
	That is nice.
	I appreciate it.
	I appreciate it.
	I hope whoever it is that made the music that is license-free is not like a major leftist because it's featured on every single, every single, my fucking camera's going to freeze.
	Just bear with me.
	Oh, yeah.
	It's featured on every single intro to this podcast.
	And they probably hate that, but that's how it goes.
	I just got to recently.
	You guys ever have this problem?
	So if I leave this camera on, then it overheats.
	And so I left it on all night last night.
	And right before I popped in, I was like, oh, shit.
	So I had to flip it off and flip it back on.
	And so every once in a while, you'll probably see that error, but I'm still here.
	No, I'm a fucking podcast noob.
	And even though we've been doing it, we have what?
	Well, we have like, what, like 25 episodes now?
	So something ridiculous.
	I've been using my phone.
	Yeah, I've been using my phone this whole time.
	Like, I've been using my phone.
	I didn't like, it will overheat.
	And then it'll be like, all right, shutting down.
	I'm like, all right, we're just in the middle of it.
	I'm just, I'm out and gone.
	So I understand.
	Thumbs up.
	You guys started doing that.
	It's like a Josh Smith thing, though.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	He's got the same problem.
	I actually did the podcast with him and he was talking to me about it.
	We had the same issue.
	So we were just freezing together.
	You know, like the Titanic.
	Too soon.
	So, man, I heard a Too Soon joke about John the Baptist one time.
	I was a church kid and somebody made a joke about John the Baptist being beheaded.
	It might have been me.
	I can't remember.
	And one of the guys was like, too soon, man.
	Too soon.
	2,000 years ago.
	Jesus Christ.
	Yeah, that ancient bitch, Lucy.
	Like, I wonder how she died.
	Too soon, man.
	So I'm new to the podcast thing, too.
	I started doing mine at like the end of May, and I kept doing it because I had like a Tony Schaefer cliff clip that went viral.
	And I was, I mean, I was going to give it a year anyway, but that was like really the encouraging factor.
	But what has it been like?
	So my point is, I don't really know anything about podcasting.
	I'm just winging it.
	What has your experience been?
	Dude, it's been the same for us.
	Like we started as basically just, all right, we have fun in these group chats that we're in, which is a Tower Gang group chat.
	We get a little autistic, we get a little retarded, we get a little just funny.
	And I was like, I basically said, hey, we need a podcast.
	Like, not to get, not to get big, just because I think this is funny, and I think other people will find this funny.
	Let's put it out.
	Yeah.
	And basically, we've been just winging it this entire time.
	Yeah.
	I think the best podcasts are the ones, are the ones your wife?
	Oh, oh, shit.
	Your wife's home?
	Your wife's home, dude?
	It's like the, you guys, you ever see the Burbs toad?
	I have not, actually.
	So I grew up in the Midwest, so it's like a staple.
	And there's this scene at the very end where they're like, Art, your house is on fire and your wife's home.
	And he goes, my wife's home.
	Yeah, that's me.
	Fat Dave is whipped, bro.
	Whipped libertarian.
	Fat Dave is probably the most whipped of us, which we've made fun of him for, but I think his wife has kind of become more bass as time has gone on.
	Because I think it was more like we had one episode where she, I think she got pissed at him because we were talking about women's tits and what our preferred boob to nipple ratio was.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	You know, people don't talk about boob to nipple ratio enough.
	Right, I know.
	It's like, wait, I mean, people are, I think, overruling me because I like nipples on the larger side.
	And people are like, what the hell is wrong with you, man?
	Smaller.
	You like some nat geo shit?
	Well, maybe I'm talking more about the areolas.
	I don't know, like the puffy nipples.
	That's my thing.
	Oh, yeah.
	I remember my, you know how, like, obviously when you're like 15, you know, you're a teenager and you start, you and your friends start talking about, you know, the girls you're fooling around with.
	And it's all like this brand new exciting shit going on.
	And I remember my friend Alex was dating this girl.
	And he's like, man, she's so hot, but her nipples are like little mosquito bites, man.
	They're like little mosquitoes.
	I'm like, what the fuck?
	It's just like, every time I think of this person, I just like see these little red dots in my mind.
	That's such a fucked up way to describe a nipple, but I get it.
	I mean, the reason why, I mean, I think it's weird if people are attracted to shit like that is because it's like, that's more on the side of like, that looks like a dude's nipple or maybe even like a child's nipple or something.
	Like, I don't even know.
	What's going on now?
	We're talking about, we're talking about move-to-nipple ratio, bro.
	You're going to be in the doghouse, bro.
	By the way, so what happened was my wife, she knocks on the door and I'm like, what's going on?
	She was like, I think my contact went just behind my eye.
	And I was like, well, what do you want me to do?
	I can't fucking.
	So, and she was like, can you look at it?
	And she pulls up her eye like this.
	And then I just see a folded contact.
	Technical color chase right there.
	This is fucking Canon right here.
	Cannon, guys.
	Did you pop her eyeball out like a pug?
	No, I just, I just told her, just keep doing what you're doing because it's falling out.
	But that's why I had to leave.
	I'm reluctant to reset my camera because this is like the closest I'm ever going to get to a Hunter Biden painting.
	I really like this, and you should definitely clip it and make it your profile picture on Twitter.
	Oh, yeah.
	I was thinking this almost like a zombie thing almost.
	I'm doing a screenshot.
	This is going to be the thumbnail right here.
	That's a whole video.
	All right.
	So, so you guys have been doing the podcast.
	And I was going to say before Fat Dave's wife came in and just totally homewrecked that it seems to me the best podcasts are the ones where the host is just doing it for the sake of doing it.
	You know?
	Yeah, like we literally just are having fun.
	Like we literally just want to have fun and we want to have on fun guests and have unfun people.
	And just like, and like we'll talk politics because we're all NCAPs and we're all fucking just autistic.
	But at the same time, it's not at the forefront of political podcasts.
	We're there to have fun and just kind of shoot the shit.
	And it's like talking to your bros around a bar.
	How did you, how'd you get the name Tower Gang?
	It's like Toad, that's more of your lane right there.
	So it's because we were doing Twitter towers, which is this concept where you want to say more inappropriate things, essentially things that might be bannable on Twitter under normal circumstances, and you spell it out one letter at a time instead with single letter tweets.
	Oh.
	And yeah, which it started before both of our times.
	I think we actually had an episode where we had some of the OGs on talking about where I think it started with towers that were more racial slurs.
	Like I think it was all like crap.
	Well, there's been a, I think it's like an internet kind of thing for a while where you spell out the n-word one letter at a time.
	And like you see, someone posts an N, then you post an I, and it goes on, whatever you can figure it out.
	Right.
	But it's hard to spell Nostradamus backwards, you know?
	Yeah.
	And that's the thing is like at some point, someone, like, I can't remember who it was.
	I think it was El Popo or one of those guys that were like, oh, they figured out that we can do this and say other stuff and make it long.
	And then if we like each other's letters, all of a sudden it goes like it blows up your notifications and take it from us that whenever it blows up your notifications.
	And then you see this long, like long thread of single letters and it spells out, you know, to Megan McCain, Daddy's in hell pork chop or something like that.
	I mean, just stuff like that.
	Plus you get every letter you get a like, right?
	So it's like, it's insane.
	I wonder if it was like, I wish I knew the Twitter algos so that like I could so we could see like what like tweet to engagement ratio like, you know, boosts your account because there's all sorts of crazy stuff.
	Like TikTok's algorithms are really interesting.
	Like based on the length of your video, there's an algorithm that determines what percentage of it needs to be watched in order for it to go viral.
	So like if you have a nine-second video, 100% of it has to be watched.
	But if you have a three-minute video, like maybe only 25% of it needs to be watched, watch through or 50%.
	And so I know that Twitter's got crazy algorithms like that too that are all proprietary and secret, but I bet you the tower method, because of the number of engagements you get, you get one person and you get seven engagements for like a seven letter word that, you know, it makes sense that it would blow up the reach of a tweet inadvertently.
	Yeah, I mean, it's way more than that, right?
	Because it's, you have each person that's in the tower is supposed to like every single person's letter.
	So it's a multiplicative effect on it.
	And I don't think it actually ratios the tweet more, though.
	Like, I don't think it counts as if it's a seven-letter tower.
	I don't think it counts as seven replies.
	I think it's still one with replies on those, but it's still, it's that concept of like, if you have like a 30-letter tower or something like that, and you have a message that you're sending, it's like all of these people agree with what you're saying here.
	So it kind of has more of an impact mentally on the person towering and the people that see it.
	We've had towers get over, you know, 200 likes, a letter, and then like get like, you know, 10 retweets.
	I mean, it's so it's like, I mean, it gets huge and then it boosts that to the top of their, like, whenever you click on the tweet, the first thing you see is a letter.
	And people are like, what the fuck?
	And then it's just like, and it's like, and then it's just all letters and it spells, you know, just anything.
	I mean, there's, I think our number, our longest one was what, 67?
	69.
	I think that that one felt like it was kind of forced, though.
	Something's forced, but it was, we did get 69 people to, and the other thing is they see it was never supposed to be repeated.
	So one person can't comment twice.
	And so, I mean, you did see 30, 40 people that would like are in all agreeing together.
	And it just really freaks people out.
	We've gotten corporate journalists to private their account.
	We've gotten, I mean, all sorts of shit happen.
	We barely bring out towers like, you know, once a month now.
	So do you do it?
	Like, does one person create it as a thread or do you just start with a letter and then like let the audience figure out what the sentence is?
	Frozen again.
	Today's been for a while in Tower Gang.
	He was like our Tower Gang commandant.
	So I'll let him go.
	It's only because of my supreme autism about like we need to get these towers done.
	But it was, it was me and Jose, Gallison, were kind of, I don't know, we were kind of the conceptualizers, I guess, of the towers for a period of time, but it was kind of more of an organic thing in a way where it was because we're in this group, we have a lot of funny people, and people would be like, here's a tweet we think we should tower.
	And then people would kind of throw out ideas of what the tower should be.
	And the ideas would kind of evolve a little bit.
	And the best towers were kind of ones that took kind of parts from a couple of different towers that were funny and wound up being something that combined those jokes or something like that.
	And we're maybe in like the 20 or 30 length.
	And then you get everybody doing it.
	You get nobody doubling the letters.
	And people, because we're in the group, people know what the tower is.
	And then sometimes you'd like send it out to some people that are outside the group and get a few other people to join in.
	But yeah, yeah.
	So like the other day, actually, we did one of the like, like again, rarely we do towers anymore, but like we did do white women must be stopped.
	Yes, like I think it was what, two days ago or yesterday or something like that.
	And we like, I just put a W and then immediately someone else that wasn't in our group chat put an H. And so like, yeah, so it's new.
	So there is very, there is some organic that happens of like where people will come in and just start like just comment and they can understand what's going on.
	We've done a lot of enemy of the peoples.
	We've done, I mean, there's a bunch of different ones we've done.
	Have you ever had an instance where one of them's been like flagged or reported?
	Yes.
	Oh, definitely.
	Yeah.
	Like early on, there was one, like one of the most famous towers, which kind of got Tower Gang to be kind of known as a thing was on this journalist, Tessa Duvall early on.
	I don't remember what her tweet was.
	I thought that she was trying to dox some of the 1.6 insurrectionists, but I could be wrong about that.
	It could have been something else too.
	I don't remember what it was.
	It was a little bit before I was actually in Tower Gang.
	And I definitely saw the tower because she wound up blocking me because I quote tweeted her tweet, but she actually reported maybe all of the people in the tower and at least three of the people that were in it that I know got their accounts, I think, permanently banned for it or at least suspended for it.
	Really?
	So Tutorial will come in and they will ban your account for posting one letter that comprises one message that's against the terms.
	I could have that wrong because maybe those tower and said something else in addition to that.
	I'm not actually sure.
	It did get to the point there almost like by the end we were doing towers where it would be deboosted to hell.
	Like you would like see it and then you would have to do like the C replies.
	Like Twitter does that thing where you see replies and then it still might shadow ban a lot of these.
	And so it got to the point where we would have to do totally different kind of stuff.
	Twitter was catching on.
	We were doing at one point we would do GIFs, like diffs of letters, like where the first letter of each sentence would make a, and the sentences didn't have to mean anything, but right, right.
	And the first letters would spell out something.
	So we did a lot of different stuff, but it just got to where, I mean, we were doing seven in a day or eight in a day or something like that.
	And it got so hard that we finally like we got burnt out pretty like after a couple months.
	So yeah, we had like 80 in a week once, I think, which is totally ridiculous.
	We had situations where it was more than just where a bunch of us would get reply deboosted by a Twitter algorithm or something, which I probably am right now, just for shit that I say.
	So that means that people that don't follow you can't see your replies for the most part.
	But it would be more than that.
	There were situations where you'd start a tower.
	You wouldn't even be able to start a tower on Gavin Newsome, for example.
	We never were able to start a tower.
	And the first letter on him, even with gifts, I think, the first response on it was like he had people there that were not only deleting the tweets, but well, because we know the person that is the originator of a tweet can actually delete a reply, but then it says this reply has been deleted by the tweet or whatever.
	This is a situation where the tweet would just be completely gone.
	Like the reply, I mean, the start of the tower would just be gone.
	There'd be no, I mean, anymore.
	He's deeply rooted in Silicon Valley.
	I mean, he's from San Francisco.
	He's the governor of California.
	So in his situation, he's probably calling staff at Twitter, you know, that are like in his contacts.
	And he's like, hey, fix this shit.
	You know, any type of just contradictory to what he's saying probably just gets gone immediately because I mean, these fucking corrupt tyrants can't take any type of criticism because they see it as he's like Bizarro Bradley Cooper.
	He's like Bradley Cooper without a conscience.
	Yeah, and he's also, I think he's Nancy Pelosi's nephew as well.
	Yeah, that's the word on the street.
	Yeah, it's nepotism up the ass.
	I mean, I believe it.
	He kind of looks the same, but they all kind of look into how many of these political figures are related.
	It gets freaky real fast.
	You're like, okay, this is just a whole thing of just nepotism.
	It's incorruptible.
	almost like it's like it's almost like when like democracy was invented everybody was just like all right but can we still fuck our families that's only in alabama we're fat davis That's right.
	Yeah.
	It's like the like, oh, yeah, I said that all about families, but it's only true to Alabama.
	It's just like, it's like, I'm just seeing it.
	Ironically, the least corrupt state.
	Yes.
	Yeah, one of the things that's because we have no money.
	We're all in the coral system here.
	That's right.
	It's like us in Mississippi are like the fucking, was it the poorest states in the United States?
	And like, so there's no corruption because there's no money here.
	So everybody's kind of really nice and everybody's really good.
	Well, yeah, Mississippi is the most obese state, I believe, too.
	But Mississippi, if you follow the libertarian parties at the state level, they seem to have one of the worst libertarian state parties or state affiliates for whatever reason.
	I know them has a pretty bad one.
	I'll tell you that.
	Really?
	I feel like New Hampshire is like the only one that fucking knows the difference between its ass and its head.
	I mean, Connecticut is really good.
	That makes sense.
	Yeah, they're kind of Northeastern.
	I don't know if you saw this, but did you see LP Texas?
	Them tweet out, it was about Afghanistan the other day.
	I think it was.
	I wish I would have seen it because I live in Texas.
	But I missed it.
	It was so bad.
	It was, I can't remember what they said.
	I can't remember exactly what they said.
	I might have to look it up.
	But it was something about how it was them basically shitting on leaving Afghanistan because of feminism.
	I think it was literally something on the I'm going to look at zombies have infiltrated, bro.
	Yeah.
	It was so bad.
	Yeah.
	Somebody think it tweeted a comparison.
	What was it a comparison between?
	It was definitely LP Texas and something else.
	I can't remember.
	I think maybe Reed tweeted a comparison of it.
	I forget who he was comparing to, but it was because you fucking libertarians are so decentralized that you can't keep your state parties in line because you're libertarians.
	So there's like, you know, like the DNC is like, all right, you know, every tweet from every single state party has to come through like, you know, the main corporate centralized bullshit and get approved.
	And then the libertarians are like, fuck you.
	We're going to, you know, go tweet what we want.
	So it's going to be a different outcome.
	It's true.
	Yeah.
	And Texas is really one of the worst, though.
	And I don't really know who they have at the top there.
	Whoever runs the Twitter account is, they might as well be the old LP national before LP National Technology got a little bit better.
	So I found what it was.
	So President Biden tweeted out: American troops cannot and should not be fighting and dying in a war that Afghan forces are, by and large, not willing to fight and die themselves, which is honestly a pretty base tweet.
	Yeah.
	LP Texas, the LP, who we know should be against all wars, getting out as fast as possible of every war and stopping every one of them.
	The official Libertarian Party of Texas said, What will you do for the Afghans who are willing to fight with us?
	Whose lives are now at risk because you refuse to create a plan to bring them to safety.
	The blood of those refugees will be on your hands.
	That's what they're doing.
	Why isn't that person just running the Republican page?
	Like, why are they just running the Republican fucking Twitter?
	That's literally like, why are they doing it?
	Just be a Republican if you feel that way.
	It's so dumb.
	I could not believe it.
	I literally saw it.
	I was like, I can't believe it.
	And like, the LP Nises Caucus, Texas, actually, like, tweeted it and said something.
	And I said, when's the takeover happening?
	And I kind of caused a little re because people don't like the takeover talk.
	But it's just like, I feel sorry for people in Texas because, I mean, your LP really sucks.
	But I mean, hey, man, the state's still fucking awesome.
	I mean, absolutely.
	You can't agree with everything that they do because, you know, it's a Texas brand of Republican here, but damn, the benefits are better than the drawbacks, in my opinion.
	Absolutely.
	I moved here from California.
	I mean, just like Florida, just like Florida, where they have red flag laws.
	They have all this stuff, but it's like, they also stayed open during lockdown the whole time.
	Like, or mostly along here, and I've literally got 223 just like all over my floor.
	Hell yeah.
	Just in case I need to dive and pick one up.
	Yeah.
	Which a couple months ago was worth its weight in gold, by the way.
	I mean, I should have bought a ton of gold, too.
	Hell yeah.
	In my state, you can't even legally own a Glock if you're not law enforcement.
	So, yeah, well, you're going to have to get one then.
	That's how you know you have to get one.
	I never said I didn't have one.
	I've got it.
	I got a 30-round Glock Glock mag that's so fucking fun.
	I mean, that thing is like bigger than the gun.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, like up here, I'm in Massachusetts and our AG, I think in like 2016, just by executive fiat, I'm pretty sure, just banned magazines over a capacity of seven just from out of nowhere.
	There you go.
	He just really liked 1911s.
	He was just like, This is the best gun.
	This is all you need.
	Two World Wars, baby.
	The only things he's getting here is all you need is a lever action.
	All you need is a lever action.
	They won the war the first time.
	Smith and Wesson are in Massachusetts, right?
	So you can buy like their revolvers and shit.
	You can buy some.
	There's a part of me that thinks that the fucking gun lobby made those laws happen in different states so that they can make different magazine products.
	You know, and just sell more.
	I didn't think about that.
	I don't know if it's true or not, but it's just part of me that thinks, yeah, they fucking who benefits.
	It's like, what's the benefit of this?
	And it's like, all of a sudden, more magazines, different types of magazines, different types of weird stocks come out, like all the pistol braces and shit.
	Dude, somebody needs to make a spoof video, like, you know, like a terrorist mass shooting spoof video where there's this fucking terrorist with a Glock with a one-round magazine who's just like insanely fast at reloading.
	Just like, you know what I mean?
	Just like, John Wick, like, it's like John Wick out there.
	He just keeps reloading.
	There's a crisis in reload speeds in Massachusetts.
	Reloading speeds are our national health crisis.
	God, it's so funny.
	We're just because all you can get here is like six shooters and SIG handguns, basically with five-round capacity, basically.
	But you probably can't even open carry, so like even having a six-shooter wouldn't even be based.
	Right, you can't.
	Yeah, I know.
	Yeah, walk the streets with a cowboy hat and have that just out there.
	I bought a six shooter just because Constitutional Carry is going into effect in September 1st here.
	And I mean, and because I play Red Dead Redemption, or used to when it was a game.
	Absolutely, man.
	Dude, are you guys gamers?
	Oh, absolutely.
	Yeah.
	100%.
	Or at least more than that.
	I've been playing Sea of Thieves like crazy.
	Dude, it's everybody's beast, but I love.
	I never played Sea of Thieves, but I love all the videos, especially.
	I mean, the most viral video ever.
	The captain, what?
	And then, like, the guy rammes us.
	Like, I know exactly the guy talking about the teacher.
	Drinking the tea, drinking the tea while they're invading, like, they're boarding a ship and he just has the tea and he's drinking it.
	Like, I love the videos of Sea of Thieves, but I've never played.
	I'm more of a learning curve is super, super short.
	That's what's so fun about that game.
	It's like you can be awesome at it within like 15 minutes.
	Oh, okay.
	Well, that might be pretty cool.
	And then you just get on there with your buddies and just kind of dick around for like two hours.
	Yeah, you choose what kind of missions you want to do.
	And like, you know, so do you want to dig up treasure?
	All right.
	Then you just go to the island on the map and then you go to the X and you dig it up.
	And like, you might have to kill some like, you know, resurrecting skeletons along the way.
	Like, it's just simple.
	But I don't know.
	That's what I like about it.
	You're going to say what you've been playing, though.
	Dude, I'm playing.
	No, I'm not a Fortnite.
	literally played fortnite one time and i was like i'm never getting on this garbage game again ever we played minecraft just so we can uh say that we're going to do certain things to certain people in minecraft and people won't know i've been playing like i i'll do um war zone i've been playing a lot of words on with my buddies uh i love some of my favorite games it's hard because a lot of hackers a lot of it's kind of and i mean the skill curve on that is also pretty like it's pretty large like it's like
	i mean people are getting really good on it and they're just shit on you but i've been a huge i'm a huge rpg fan so witcher 3 uh fallout i've never played the witcher games my best friend here in texas has been trying to get me to play witcher 3 yeah play which when did it come out 2015 yeah it was a while does it stand up to time oh absolutely yes oh yeah the uh the graphics on it are amazing and i mean i played the mordor game and i thought that was fun i played that this year what's that fucking lord whichever one i don't know if
	it was the first i can't remember which one it was man but it was i it was older and it was awesome i played the i played the first one never finished it but yeah it's a really good game dude i could talk gaming about i mean if you just want to talk gaming for the rest of the time i can do that i don't know but i know i can i'm happy to i mean i i was a huge red dead fan i think they totally botched online but the campaign was probably the best single player experience i've ever had since like super mario oh it was great yeah the original one yeah i had it on xbox 360 yeah it was oh i never played the original i only played red dead 2
	oh my god to play the original the original is definitely better yeah i don't know but i tried i tried better but no i tried i tried the original i couldn't do it man the mechanics were just i i was i was totally spoiled having played the second one first really oh yeah i like the original i played that first for sure so like i don't know i'm kind of an originalist so i i played i played the original it's good yeah i played the original back on ps3 i've never playing it like i used to go to my cousin's house and play his and then whenever i got my own i played it through
	beat it 100 of it and then i got uh when i got my ps4
	first game i got was red dead redemption 2 and then played the shit out of it tried online it wasn't great no again like you said i can't get into online red dead online is just kind of rock rock star just it literally has that golden calf and gta 5 and they didn't give it up well i i didn't like the gta online experience either i didn't get into it man i liked i like the gta missions dude i mean i'll show my age because most of my favorite games are all a little bit older and like i was like a vice
	city guy for gta vice city's great yeah vice city in san andreas it's crazy you can play it on your phone now yeah you played any gta games on your phone it's so wild the only so so i actually i was talking about this with some friends yesterday because i mentioned that i played cod mobile like because i really like it's actually really good it's not a bad game at all on your phone right and someone was like you fucking like weirdo you're playing mobile games like yeah they're actually really good and i also played uh kotor for the first time ever on my phone that's
	how i played coder was on my phone right for the first time well and you can't really fun you can't play you can't play xbox while you're driving yeah it's like it's like the mobile i'm literally sitting at i'm literally sitting at work on the toilet taking a big shit like someone else in here um
	shitting out a brain tumor yeah yeah i told before he got on dude my headache totally went away in the middle of my like blowout that's what mccain thought it was mccain thought he just had to take a big shit and then he just died or maybe or maybe it's the other way around maybe all he had to do was take a big shit they didn't find oh that's true at megan mccain too bad your dad didn't take a shit maybe
	maybe all those uh beatings he took in vietnam like closed up his sphincter so he can never take a shit again yeah the only thing the only thing he can let out is american intel too soon Too soon?
	No, no, no.
	Maybe that's why daddy hated the gooks.
	I don't know.
	He thought it was his dad's watch.
	That's what's stopping me up.
	It's got to be the watch.
	I'm legit gonna celebrate.
	Like, it's coming up.
	I think it's like next week is his death anversary is coming up.
	And I legit celebrate it because fuck that guy.
	Dude, the Libertarian Party should do its national convention on January 6th every year just to fuck with people.
	Dude, the best person to follow on all this January 6th stuff is Reed Coverdale because he just puts out these super funny.
	He's my hero, man.
	I don't even agree with him.
	I'm like a neocon compared to him half the time.
	But I just, his style is so good and he's so genuine that I just fucking like I always tweet at him.
	I go, I go read Coverdale's my writer.
	I'm his writer die.
	Unless when I tweet, I tweeted.
	I don't argue with Reed Coverdale.
	I just ride.
	Hashtag rider die.
	Because it's so great, because he'll get people, he'll be like, I think he tweeted the other day, was, uh, 1-6 was worse than the Holocaust.
	Like, it's just, that's just so great.
	It's just like, because it's, uh, people.
	It's C-Mo's asinine ship, but then they can't argue against it, because then somebody would accuse them of, yeah.
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	Literally, because, I mean, just the amount of shit they made over January 6th, even though, I mean, whatever.
	It was such a fucking spontaneous, just fluke bullshit thing.
	And it was, yeah, it was just a crime of opportunity.
	It was not a planned fucking insurrection.
	Planned insurrection is what we just saw in Afghanistan.
	Yeah, literally.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It was also one of my favorite days on Twitter ever, too, by the way.
	1-6 was one of my favorite days on Twitter.
	It was so much fun.
	I was literally.
	I tried to retweet the video of where Ashley Babbitt got shot.
	I bookmarked it on 1.6, and it's like the bad one, like where you fucking see your eyes.
	Oh, yeah, where you can see it hurt.
	You can see your eyes just like fucking going to.
	Yeah, you can see your soul leave her body, right?
	And I retweeted it just like kind of like a never forget thing.
	Like, you know, this is the only person who fucking died on 1.6, that kind of bullshit that you hear a million times.
	And I went to retweet it, and, you know, I've got 20,000 followers, and the reach of that tweet when I retweeted it was five.
	Get out.
	That is insane.
	Twitter had flagged the video, and they wouldn't take it down because they probably knew there was going to be blowback from taking it down.
	And so they just make it so if you retweet it, nobody fucking sees it unless they're like on your profile.
	Man.
	It's such a weird thing about how upset people.
	And I guess if you step in their shoes, you can understand because they literally think like democracy is God.
	Therefore, like this was an affront to God.
	I mean, it would be like you going into a church and saying, I love the devil.
	Like, fuck Jesus, 69, 69, and running out.
	Like, they would, they would literally.
	66.
	I mean, 666.
	I think it would be maybe like a few people would do that, and everybody else would just kind of follow them in and like take selfies.
	That would be pretty much it.
	But that's what they see it as.
	They literally see it as an affront to their God.
	And everybody else is just like, dude, they didn't do anything.
	Like, they just kind of walked in.
	I'm sorry, you're probably going to get like demonetized, like, totally demonetized.
	I don't give a fuck.
	I don't give a fuck, dude.
	So, so, so, what if they, what if, did you ever see that show on Netflix?
	I think you should leave.
	It's like the funniest shit I've ever seen in my life.
	I don't think I ever.
	Do you have Netflix?
	Oh, yeah.
	I'm going to watch it for this then.
	I feel like I have seen it.
	I think you should leave.
	Okay, so I'm going to tell you about the show.
	And some of the things I'm going to tell you about the show, take with a grain of salt because it's just here safe.
	Okay.
	So my neighbor, who's a close friend of mine, showed me this show, and it is the funniest show that I've ever seen in my life.
	And he told me that the guy on the show used to be a writer for SNL, but they never ever used any of his sketches because they were too weird.
	And so he started his own show on Netflix, right?
	And all the show is, there's like six episodes a season.
	They're 20 minutes and they're like three to five minute like short.
	Just different, completely, like completely different circumstances.
	And it's like the funniest, weirdest shit ever.
	Okay.
	And so the reason I bring that up is because how funny would it be if like we did like a spoof video where it was like a hardcore Baptist church and like all these leftists go into this Baptist church just like January 6th and they're like taking selfies of each other.
	They're dressed like Vikings and they're like, how do you like it?
	How do you like it?
	Just assuming like all the Baptists are insurrectionists.
	It's so funny.
	Oh my God.
	He's so great.
	This is the kind of shit that you can't do in Texas though because you get shot.
	Oh yeah.
	Yeah.
	Oh, we lost that dude.
	Maybe his wife killed the internet.
	Finally, oh no, it's going to happen.
	So, Toad, what do you play, man?
	I wasn't ready for the gaming conversation to be over because I get excited about it.
	And I don't think any of the boomers in my audience like give me the opportunity to talk about it.
	Oh, all right.
	You've had some young people on people younger than I am for sure.
	No, no, no.
	My guests are cool.
	I'm just saying I got boomers in my audience.
	Yeah.
	My audience is cool too, but I got a lot of boomers because I did some like I kind of came to came to not prominence, but I came to be known by sort of like election fraud content.
	And I think that a lot of the boomers really like that.
	Oh, so we want to fuck with them again.
	Oh, now I'm alone here.
	What's going on here?
	Yeah, I'm still here.
	I'm still here.
	So Jeffrey Toobman now.
	Lubin with Toobin.
	That's right.
	You can't see my hands right now.
	So what do I play?
	Yeah, well, I mean, I was going to mention, because we were on the GTA thing, I was going to mention Saints Row briefly because I did get into that quite a bit with Saints Row 3 mostly, which I don't know if you've played that, but it's kind of GTA to the extreme.
	It's an open world game, similar to GTA, but you just think about it being way more extreme.
	It's more, I don't even know how to describe it, really.
	It's more like you're, I guess you're living the high life more.
	It's a lot of people.
	Hey, he's back.
	Stop talking shit.
	Stop talking shit.
	Chat, Dave.
	He's a morbidly obese motherfucker.
	I hate that guy.
	He sucks.
	I seriously thought you were going to be fat.
	I didn't realize your profile picture was a joke.
	Oh, you didn't.
	So much.
	I don't think you realize this happens so much to where people are like, oh, you're not fat?
	What the fuck?
	I'm like, do you think I have to switch?
	I was hoping to show up to a fat bitch.
	It turns out you're hot.
	That's another sketch.
	That's another sketch just to have a fake catfish, but it's actually the opposite.
	So this guy's messaging this girl and he thinks he projects herself fat.
	Or just a reality show.
	We should really do it.
	It's like a reality show.
	Yeah, it's like a morbidly obese dating website and like she fakes me in fat for the fetish guy.
	And then she shows up and she's smoking hot.
	And they're like, what the fuck?
	What the fuck?
	I wanted you to crush me.
	I wanted you to crush me.
	All you're going to do.
	I wanted to feel the weight of you on my spine.
	You were lying to me this whole time.
	You're dead to me.
	That means so great.
	You don't even have a water bed.
	It's like when you pour olive oil on a glass of water.
	That's like an obese person on a water bed.
	I just all fucking mixed up.
	That's so fucking great.
	By the way, so you said you have 20,000 Twitter followers and you have like what?
	You're like, what, one and a half thousand on your YouTube and you started this in May?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's great.
	Like, what happened?
	Like, I thought we had a fast come up because we started in, I can't remember when we started, Toad.
	Late March.
	And we had Clint from Liberty Lockdown was with us, and he was on our first episode.
	So we had big guests.
	Yeah, we had big people with us right away.
	And we just, I mean, we just barely hit, I think we just hit 1.5,000 or something like that.
	And that was after Dave Smith and Shoe One Head comes on our show.
	So what the fuck happened, man?
	Like, how do you like?
	Yeah.
	So it's a combination of things.
	I will, I'll tell you exactly what I did.
	And I'm still learning, but I do own an app.
	I do, I own a digital advertising business.
	And so I have a little bit of savvy, not Twitter per se.
	I'm like, I'm a fucking monster on Facebook and Instagram ads for people.
	And so I've got a little bit of like a knack for it.
	But with Twitter, what I did was I did a ton of research and I ran ads and I got it to the point where I could get followers for like 12 cents a follower, like real ones, and based on my targeting.
	And I ran ads, shit like, if you love America, follow me.
	He's paying for followers, man.
	He's wearing out the video from the magazine.
	Yeah, I'm going to say he's just like, I run stuff like, if you love America, follow me.
	If you want to make your America great again, follow me.
	Exactly.
	He's like, exactly.
	Exactly.
	Yeah.
	You know, the shit that like, you know, a certain brand of people really buy.
	And it's stuff like, you know, like, it's like stuff I believe, but I just like, I don't, you know, like, I don't believe it in like the same way.
	Like, I do fucking love America.
	Yeah.
	I am like, you know, but I'm not like a MAGAT, right?
	So, so I've like, you know, I don't know, but I, but I'm, I, I sort of exploited that, like the, the momentum there.
	Uh, and then what I did was once I got 5,000 followers on Twitter, um, I started DMing like people that I, they're way out of my league.
	And about like one in ten of them would come on the podcast.
	Like, dude, I got fucking Brandy Love on the podcast.
	Like, I got George, I got, I got George Papadopoulos on the podcast, dude.
	That dude was like pardoned by the president of the United States.
	And I just DM'd him and I was like, hey, I just bought your book, you know?
	And I was like, by the way, I'm going to start a podcast next month.
	You want to be on it?
	And he's like thinking, oh, he's never going to start a podcast.
	And he's like, yeah, sure, I'd love to.
	So the next month, I was like, here it is.
	It's actually, people don't understand just how willing people are to go on podcasts.
	It's not easy.
	Yeah, it's just like it's an hour, hour and a half, and you talk and you have fun.
	And then it's going to go on YouTube.
	So you don't have to worry about people like saying something.
	I mean, maybe for ours, I mean, we say some pretty crazy shit, but like, but like people, I mean, once you hit a certain threshold, like, like you said, like, you hit 5,000 followers, and you could, like, if you go with the 200, they're like, fuck off.
	But like, once you hit a certain like 5,000, 10,000, you get around there, people all of a sudden just like, yeah, sure, absolutely.
	I mean, we, we, I mean, we booked, I mean, the shoe on head one was our biggest one.
	I mean, she has 1.6 million YouTube subscribers and 400,000 Twitter followers.
	She's kind of hot.
	I mean, she's not told you get hot, but that's the thing.
	It's like, and we were trying to get the other day, we were trying to get Marianne Williamson on.
	And like, we really, we were really trying.
	And people are willing.
	Like, we, I mean, just and either bully them into submission by just continuing to inundate them with go on this podcast or just DM them and be like, hey, you want to come on?
	And usually that DMs open.
	They'll be like, yeah, sure.
	Right.
	Or tower them, which is we did with the shoe.
	Yeah.
	And we told her to sell us her bath water.
	Oh, that's amazing.
	The tower method is probably a really interesting strategy for podcast guesting because it's got like proof of concept, right?
	Like social proof because it requires a community.
	And so it's almost like a, it's almost like a vote, like an actual vote of support.
	It's like a petition, rather.
	It's like a petition to get somebody on in a way that's more effective than just like, you know, at tagging the podcast and the potential guest replies, you know?
	That's really interesting.
	We should fuck with that.
	Well, well, there was like, seriously, like sue one for AOC, bro.
	Like, come on the podcast.
	We actually did that.
	C-U-M.
	So that's the comedy.
	Well, the only reason, so there's multiple people that got on because we did tower them.
	Maj Tarai was our third guest, and we literally towered him.
	And he was just like, he didn't know what was happening.
	And then just like, we said, come on.
	And he was like, okay, absolutely.
	It was exactly.
	I mean, Shoe onhead did it.
	Dave Smith, we towered him.
	And basically, we took months later.
	I've been fucking DMing that guy.
	I've been DMing that guy for months.
	It's such a weird thing.
	I'm going to start calling him skinny fat Dave.
	Slim Dave.
	Well, Jose Swim Galison, who's an Jose Galison, who's one of our co-hosts, another host on our podcast says his mission in life is to make Fat Dave bigger than Skinny Dave so that when people see it, they're just like, oh, you're like skinny fat Dave.
	You already are bigger.
	What are you talking about?
	Yeah, 100%.
	I'm totally bigger than Dave.
	Well, and one thing, too, because just to finish your question about how I kind of got some traction, one thing that was kind of an anomaly for me was I had Tony Schaefer on and he had like a one-minute rant about election fraud and Bill Barr calling him personally when Bill Barr was AG and telling him to stop looking into it.
	And somehow that clip went viral on Twitter.
	It got like over 90,000 views on Twitter and it got picked up by the Citizens Free Press.
	And when that happened, that was like half my YouTube subscribers to date, all from that video.
	So it's a little bit misleading.
	My growth, it's not like I did like one consistent long-term strategy that brought the growth up.
	I don't know if you can still hear me.
	I'm showing that my internet.
	Yeah, you're in that.
	So I don't know if I wouldn't say that it was like one consistent strategy that did it, but that is like the popping viral content.
	One thing that I found, and I don't, and I know that you've done a little bit of this on your show, is just that whenever I do a podcast, I try to, if I have the time, find like that magic 30 seconds and push that small clip.
	And because what happens is if you do that 100 times, five of them are going to really pop.
	And those five will get you more followers than all the other 95 combined.
	I mean, it's like the music business, right?
	It's like the one act that you sign that becomes famous pays for all the other ones you sign that just failed, right?
	So that's kind of the method, I think.
	And I've been pushing TikTok.
	I put a TikTok video up last night.
	I woke up.
	It had 150,000 views.
	And it was just nine seconds of one of my guests saying that China's going to invade Taiwan.
	And it blew up.
	It's just like that.
	It's just like a fluke thing.
	And so you never fucking know.
	Don't even get on TikTok.
	Yeah, you guys do.
	You guys absolutely need to get on TikTok.
	I know it's communist, but so is every other fucking social media platform.
	So fuck you guys.
	It's been really weird for us because I know you DMV and you're like, how are you getting like our view to subscriber ratio is actually really well.
	It's really good.
	Yeah.
	And I think 50% almost.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, it's crazy.
	Like, we're getting consistent now above 500 views per episode.
	And we have about 1,500.
	And 500 is our low.
	So usually the past couple weeks and the past couple episodes, we've been getting above.
	Are you guys on Spotify and everything too?
	Yeah, we now are.
	Yeah.
	Only as of maybe two weeks ago, I started getting an audio on Anchor.
	So we've been on Spotify since then.
	iTunes took like an extra week.
	It's going to take longer.
	Yeah, Google.
	I'm pretty sure we're on Google now.
	I don't know.
	I said, check with myself.
	You guys used Anchor?
	Is that what you guys used?
	Anchor, yeah.
	Yeah, I like it.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you.
	I didn't mean to interrupt you, but the reason I asked is because I wonder if the reason that I struggle with YouTube views, because I get a lot of views on the Twitter content, but I feel like all the content is so diversified.
	I'll have 100 people listen on Spotify and maybe 50 people on Apple and then 150 people on YouTube.
	So if you add them all up together, it's a nice number, but since it's diversified, it makes kind of all the platforms look weak.
	It's a weird thing because we had people asking because we were just going live on YouTube.
	It was just because we want to do a live show, get people on, have fun with them live, let the audience interact with us.
	And then people were asking, hey, we really like, we don't either, we don't have YouTube premiums, so we want to listen to a podcast, you know, audio.
	And so we're like, hey, we'll get on those other things so you can listen to it.
	I don't even know what our numbers are for the audio only.
	But it's just a weird thing.
	I think we're probably so fucking bad.
	I bet this is my terrible.
	I bet nobody even fucking listening except maybe like family.
	I think they're over.
	I hope my family listen to them.
	Is my wife watching?
	Jesus Christ.
	Yeah, the Spotify numbers, I think, are all right, but the numbers are definitely on YouTube, which we are kind of a video visual show, which we have been.
	We've been a live stream show.
	And I think one of the other things that we started is because we were in the Tower Gang group chat, which was like maxed out.
	It was what, like 70?
	It was up to almost 70 people.
	A bunch of them were just watching our show right away.
	So we had a fan base just from out of that right away.
	That's what I was about to say.
	We were friends with them.
	Yeah, we're legit friends with these people.
	And then we kind of created like this community.
	And then as it got bigger, this community kind of got bigger with it to where like now it's just like, okay, on Monday nights, this is where we hang out.
	Like it's not necessarily I go here to the entertainment.
	I go here because I'm hanging out with my friends.
	It's like we're all going out to a bar.
	These guys are talking.
	We're talking in the comments and we interact together and I get to have a little bit of fun on my Monday nights or Wednesday nights.
	Yeah.
	Maybe that's part of the, maybe that's something I need to do.
	Maybe I need to do a consistent schedule because I have like three nights a week that I like to, and I think that might be the problem is that I'm not catching the same audience at a convenient time.
	And so, you know, like your Monday night crowd is always available on Monday nights, you know?
	And like Timpool, he does his podcast every night at the same time and you can either make it or you can't.
	And so mine's like random because I cater to the guests so much because the guests are all out of my league.
	And so I'm like, whenever you can do it, man, you know.
	We do a little bit of that, but it's always been either a Monday, Tuesday, or Wednesday for us.
	But then when we do like a Tuesday or Wednesday, we usually also do the Monday show.
	And then it's like, hey, we're doing two episodes this week.
	And like our big guests are actually Wednesday shows.
	And we just did that as a second show on that week.
	And people obviously showed up for those too.
	It's been really weird, too, because we've just been getting, I mean, over the, literally the past couple days has been just hammered with people saying, can we come on the show?
	Or like, we'll just randomly put out a, hey, you want to come on?
	Yeah, sure.
	And we're like, okay, we just shot our shot and we got it.
	Like, it's so weird.
	We have them all on at once, man.
	Major cluster.
	Most we've had, we had what, eight, seven or eight on at one point, and that was just like, I mean, it was us, uh, all of us that were a part of it.
	So, me, Toad, Clint, uh, from Liberty Lockpod, Nick Ashley.
	Next time you do that, next time you do that, just get some like some footage of AOC on like a Zoom call and mute it and put her in one of the slots.
	That is a great bit, and we're definitely stealing that.
	Yeah, do it.
	Yeah, you can, yeah, totally steal the idea, but just say this is this is Chase Geyser's brilliant idea.
	I think we actually had nine on that episode because we had um, it was during Freedom Fest, and Reed, Coverdale, and Clint from Liberty Lockdown actually got into that.
	They jumped on the stream wearing like the same thing from the same hotel room.
	So now we just say that they're in a gay relationship.
	That's where that came from.
	Yeah, that's where it came from.
	It's also the episode I did with Reed where I fucking got the stash and the overalls.
	Oh, no, that's an extra.
	I was on his, I was on his show, and I spent 35 bucks on Amazon, and I got the Reed Coverdale costume.
	It was a while ago.
	It was awesome a few weeks ago.
	You should check it out.
	It's pretty funny.
	Yeah, I think I thought it was funnier than anybody else, but it's worth it.
	Did you wet your hair like super wet, made yourself look like you just got out of the shower?
	Yeah, I had to, I had the fucking Dickie's, you know, denim overalls, and then I, and then I did like, I bought them, you know, the mustache.
	It was a little bit walrus, you know, but it's just sort of like a, it was like a, it was like a Red Dead Reed-Coverdale mashup.
	Hell yeah.
	Dude, what's also been weird is the weird amount of, and I'm literally not trying to brag, but like the weird amount of pull we have within like the Liberty community on Twitter to where like, you know, Nick Ashley goes on Fakertarians and then becomes a meme and it just like takes over Twitter for like a weekend.
	And then like, I, I get him, I get into some beef with the journo bitch, and then that becomes like Twitter like for a weekend.
	And then I think Jose Galzon started the thing.
	I don't know if you know who Nick Starwark is.
	Oh, I know who Nick Starwork is.
	He's a fucking asshole that's got he's pictured in front of like a dork column.
	Yes, absolutely.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Anybody pictured in front of a Greco-Roman column.
	It's a fucking bitch.
	Jose started the thing of hashtag block Starwork and it got like huge traction.
	They got like all these like libertarian, like, I mean, Dave Smith commented on it.
	Tom Woods blocked him.
	And it just got like, like, Nick Sarwick lost.
	That'll fuck with his reach.
	That'll fuck with his reach because Twitter will see so many people blocked him.
	And they'll say, this person's negative.
	Nobody likes him.
	And they won't show his tweets to anybody.
	Yeah.
	He still, I think, has like 14,000 followers.
	And somebody posted one of his tweets from today and it had like four likes in five hours or something.
	Yeah, it was like something crazy.
	Dude, I'm so vain.
	I delete my tweets if they don't get enough engagement in the first five minutes.
	I've done it, man.
	I got to.
	I have to because when I reach out to guests, I don't want them to check me out and see tweets that aren't getting engagement.
	So like only the only the greatest hits are live.
	I just, I literally hope that people just, when they take me on, they actually think I'm Dave Smith.
	And that's my only because that's the only reason.
	And it's really funny.
	Yeah.
	Even Dave thought you were in.
	He had a fucking existential crisis.
	By the way, I want to go back to the thing about like the clips we put out.
	We just now started putting out clips.
	And it's just because one of our followers, which is an actual IRL friend of mine, was like, hey, I'll do some clips for you.
	And so we were starting to put them out, which I think that'll, like you said, I think that's going to help get reach or something.
	Because I mean, just there's, we, we get a part of the podcast that's actually pretty good.
	A little bit.
	It's like, you know, 30 seconds to a minute.
	And we think it's really funny and it might pop somewhere.
	So something to do more.
	Yeah, even before that, there were clips coming out.
	Like there was one like Jermaine Vincent, who's, you know, one of our followers, mutual on Twitter.
	He uh, he posted one that was from the episode that you were talking about.
	I think where nine of us came on and uh, it was the one with Josh Smith.
	And we were basically, what did we say?
	I think we said that he was a black guy because he has seven kids.
	And then Clint was like, oh, but he takes good care of him so he's not black or something like that.
	That clip went viral.
	And Faker Terry just picked it up.
	This is why, I think this is part of the reason why Nick went on their show, right?
	Or they at least hammered him about it on their show.
	Yeah.
	Because they were like, you're a racist from this episode.
	Like they had the clips on.
	I'm fucking kidding.
	Clint is not a racist.
	They were saying that Nick was for Well, Nick's a racist because he's just because he's standing in front of a column in his profile picture.
	That's Nick Ashley.
	Oh, okay, okay.
	You're Nick's.
	Star Wars got all the telltale signs of a space.
	He's a Nicker.
	He's our Nicker.
	Well, the other thing about that.
	Yeah, by the way, YouTube algorithm, that's N-I-C-K-E-R.
	I didn't even watch the rest of that episode because it became a thing where Nick was in a hotel room and Josh was making fun of him for having bad audio and sounding like one of the radio guys from like the 1920s or whatever.
	Time and Ali.
	The transatlantic accent, like this, Justin.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	So Nick started doing that and pretending to be like super racist.
	And nobody picked up on that because nobody watched like a three-hour episode.
	It was three hours by the rest of us.
	Yeah.
	Man, I wonder if it would get banned if we did like a video where all we did was talk about the inferiority of white people.
	Do you think that if we just target if we got as white people got on?
	I just like last week.
	What's that?
	I said, I think they talked about that in BuzzFeed last week, man.
	I think we're good.
	I wonder if it was white women, though, because that's...
	We've had a couple other things that have gone viral because it's been...
	Yeah, hashtag repeal of the 19th.
	Hashtag repeal the 19th.
	Hashtag white women must be stopped.
	Right.
	White women must be stopped has become like associated with Tower Power Hour because of Nick originally saying it.
	Some Nick Ashley originally saying it somewhere.
	And then we've said it on the show maybe too many times at this point, but it's kind of become a catchphrase.
	we should start a libertarian hashtag campaign uh like libertarian women uh come first c-u-m it's just like just like just like write it on like the whole like the like the macho like hey like the only real men are libertarians kind of thing I'm not even a fucking libertarian, but I pretty much am.
	I might as well be.
	We're trying to get on Angel McCartle.
	And that was, we were making jokes today about this, how we're going to fuck with her about being a woman and libertarians.
	Just like, by the way, so how did you get to libertarians?
	And if you can't even read, you know, you're not allowed to read the libertarian posts.
	So do you guys use StreamYard or Restream?
	Or neither?
	StreamYard.
	So I switched to Restream and they're pretty much the same.
	There's just a couple of differences.
	But one thing, and I fucking froze again as I'm like advocating this new platform.
	Look at that.
	Look at that.
	Seriously, it looks like an Enya music video.
	Look at this.
	Look here, baby.
	You're about to make love.
	You're about to make love to that mic, man.
	Libertarian women come first.
	But what you can do on Restream is you can actually have pre-recorded videos and you can run them live.
	So it shows like it's live.
	And what I've been wanting to do, but I haven't had the time to do it, is I want to find a webcam Zoom call so badly of Trump.
	And I want to cut it up in such a way that it's not obvious that it's fake.
	And I want to pre-record like a 30-minute podcast where it looks like he's my guest.
	And I want to fucking run it live off of Restream so people see that Trump is live on Twitter.
	It would take work.
	It would take work, but it would be a good thing.
	I think it's one day's work.
	I think it's one day's work.
	The hardest part is whether or not the source material exists.
	If the source material exists, then it's all good.
	But if it doesn't, then that's a problem.
	But there's got to be some recorded Zoom footage of him, even before he was president.
	There's got to be some Zoom calls recorded of him.
	Have you found it weird that he hasn't gone on podcast or gone on anything?
	I thought once he was going to be out of president, he was going to be doing tell-alls on fucking, I don't know, Joe Rogan.
	What if he has?
	We just don't know.
	What if he has it?
	The censorship is so good.
	Dude, that's actually, I didn't think about that.
	What if he's been on Joe Rogan and we just never know about it?
	Even Spotify is like, no, no, son.
	We paid you $100 million, but you're not getting that.
	That could be the case.
	Is he allowed on any platform right now?
	The major ones?
	I don't think he's allowed to have his own account.
	He doesn't even do Gab, though.
	He doesn't even do the other platforms.
	I think he knows that that's a beta move for him to be like, fuck you, Twitter.
	I'm on Gab.
	Like, I think he knows that's a beta move, and I think he just won't do it.
	He's like, you know what?
	Fuck you.
	If you don't want me, I don't want you either.
	But he would be out there.
	I thought a guy like him who's been on TV for fucking 20 years.
	And before that was a big one.
	He needs to be on fucking MySpace, bro.
	He needs to get MySpace and just fucking shit.
	I just expect him to be able to do it.
	I just expect him to build his own network in this thing because he obviously has the connections and the money.
	Well, he did, remember?
	And it became just a blog of like just him putting out like stupid, like basically his tweets on a blog.
	And that's what he did make a social media website, but it just blows.
	Why is it that none of these platforms can none of these alternative platforms?
	Why is it that like none of them can do it right?
	Like Twitter is so simple.
	Why doesn't somebody just clone Twitter and just say, hey, our terms of service are different?
	Everything else is the same.
	They kind of screw it up with this fucking getter stuff.
	It was so bad.
	Gab is terrible.
	It's like a mess on there.
	Why doesn't somebody just parlor sucks?
	It's like everybody wants another platform, but like, and you don't have to reinvent the wheel.
	There's like five of them that have been really successful.
	Just clone one of them.
	I mean, how much does some IP get in the way, though?
	I was about to ask about that.
	Because I mean, well, it's the proprietary stuff you can't clone, but you can clone the interface pretty much, you know?
	Yeah, I mean, Twitter is not that.
	I mean, it's very simple.
	It is literally just like text.
	It's basically text.
	It's not like Instagram where you have to worry about, you know, you have to do a lot of video, a lot of like pictures and then the captions and the it's literally just text.
	That's all it is.
	And then maybe some pictures and videos, but it feels like it would be very simple because Twitter's super simple.
	It's honestly, it's honestly, it hasn't grown very much besides getting video and pictures since Twitter started.
	Like it literally hasn't.
	If you ever try to DM on Twitter, their group chats are terrible.
	Like, and we have multiple group chats on there, and it's the worst social media for group chatting, but we continue to do it.
	Yeah, but it's really good for like sending and receiving dick pics, you know, which I literally like that.
	I'm pretty sure they have full uncompressed dick pics.
	So, I mean, it's full link.
	You don't have to worry about any compression at all.
	That's why we're on the show right now.
	So that's the full size, baby.
	Don't you worry.
	Who was that comedian?
	I can't remember who it was, but it was like joking about sending dick pics and buying like the mini pop cans so that you could take the picture of his dick so it looks huge.
	I don't remember.
	It sounds familiar, but I don't know.
	I can't remember who it was, man.
	It was like, I can't remember the standard.
	I wish I could.
	I wish I was better about like associating bits with the correct comedian because I feel so bad like using their joke and then like not being able to link it back to them.
	I don't think it was Bill Burr.
	It was somebody fucking hilarious though.
	Nah, IP doesn't exist, bro.
	Just steal all the jokes.
	It's fine.
	No one knows.
	That's a good thing.
	There's so many times I'll watch like Kill Tony.
	I don't know if you watch Kill Tony at all.
	It's a really fun.
	I love that show.
	But it's basically like they just have on, they have on new comedians and they do one minute of comedy.
	And most of them suck ass.
	But like every once in a while, there'll be a really good one and then they'll tell a joke that is phenomenal.
	And I'm like, I could seal this joke and nobody would know.
	I could put it on Twitter.
	Nobody would beat anyone.
	But I always feel bad.
	I'm like, no, I'm not going to do that.
	Are you a stand-up comedian, Fat Dave?
	No, I'm not a stand-up comedian.
	I feel like anybody could put together a hot minute.
	Like, who couldn't put together a 60 seconds?
	I'm telling you, watch the show.
	It's called Kill Tony.
	It's with Tony Hinchcliffe, who's a comedian, and he has Brian Red Van with him.
	And literally, people come up and they do one minute.
	I mean, I can come up with shit out of my ass, and I'm not a comedian by any means.
	Like, I don't know.
	Like, you ever change your mom's name to stepmom in your phone?
	So when you're watching Pornhub and you get a text, it's hot.
	That's such a great joke.
	That is good.
	It's not that fucking hard for 60 seconds.
	You know, an hour is hard.
	Maybe it's not that hard.
	Maybe most people are just really retarded.
	I don't know.
	You think Jesus Christ sacrificed himself?
	Hell, three hours on the cross to be king of the universe for all of eternity.
	That's not a sacrifice.
	That's a long-term investment.
	I've seen people go through hell for three hours for a fucking bumper sticker.
	Are you serious on the cross for three hours to be king of the universe for all of eternity?
	Like, I mean, it would suck, but fuck, worth it.
	Hashtag worth it.
	I mean, most people, I mean, I feel like some people's fetish by now.
	Just like nail me to the cross, baby.
	Can you imagine if Jesus had a BDSM?
	That's the stage after pedophilia.
	What if Jesus had a BDSM fetish and he just has a boner up on the cross?
	He's just up there just full staffing it.
	Dude, dude, I thought about, I thought about, because it's funny if you look at the laws in most cities, you can get a parade for like an astronomically small fee.
	Like in small towns, you can like have a parade.
	Most cities have legislation where you can file an application for a parade.
	You pay like a $500 fee.
	They'll give you the fucking cops.
	They'll give you like all the stuff you need for a parade and you can just like do one, right?
	So nobody will show up, but you can do it.
	And I wanted to do, and this is so fucking offensive, but I wanted, I had this like kind of like a boret type idea for a parade where you like put somebody, you put Jesus on the cross for the parade, but he's like just waving like from his wrists, you know?
	I thought you were going to say, just do it.
	So I have Jesus on the cross, but it's actually a advertisement for a gay strip bar, like a gay strip club, and then just have like other dudes just like, but it's like they're using Jesus' cross as a pole and they're pole dancing on it.
	And just do it in Midwest.
	Do it in fucking like Idaho and just watch them lose their shit.
	Like that would be so bad and so funny.
	But wouldn't, I don't know, because he's like, he's nailed to the cross.
	Wouldn't he have to be nailed to it with dicks and says their dicks penetrating his animals or something?
	Dude, tildos.
	I should not have brought this shit up.
	Tower power on.
	I feel bad, man.
	And I'm not even religious, but man, he was such a nice guy.
	It's really too bad what happened to him.
	I'm a Christian.
	I just don't give a shit about jokes, man.
	Just say whatever you want.
	I know.
	That's me too.
	I grew up Christian, but I never understood this whole like.
	And if he's not laughing, then he's not worth it.
	I can't remember who I listened to.
	I think it was Clint did a, I can't remember who it was.
	Someone did a live stream and I listened to it.
	It's like, oh, no, it was Anglo-Libertarian.
	I'll shout him out.
	He's a great pot and great show on YouTube.
	And he said, like, if I'm good all my life and I still go to hell, then maybe heaven wasn't worth it.
	It's just like, I'm literally too good all my life.
	I'm a good guy and I still go to hell.
	Then, I mean, at some point, you got to see how much it's worth it or not to actually be that good.
	So I was thinking about, I've been thinking a lot about religion lately, given what's going on in fucking Afghanistan and just radical Islam.
	And you know how, like, anytime you criticize Islam in any way, you immediately get called by the left an Islamophobia.
	That's like, that's like the big one, right?
	You're a fucking bigot.
	You're an Islamophobe.
	And I'm thinking to myself, like, all right, so you're not a Muslim, but you're calling me an Islamophobe.
	Why aren't you a Muslim?
	Like, how does this play out?
	And like, you don't, you don't, you don't believe that Muhammad was literally a prophet, right?
	So therefore, you believe that he was fucking lying.
	And then on top of that, you believe that everyone who believes him is either dumb enough or ignorant enough to believe that lie, even thousands of years later, right?
	So you basically think that everyone who's Muslim is fucking retarded or just totally caught in a con by a fucking lying, evil person.
	You're not Islamophobic.
	Yeah, you're lying to yourself.
	But you're not Islamophobic and I am.
	Like, hey, fuck you.
	You know, like, if you're like, the only way not to be Islamophobic is to be a Muslim.
	Like, if you think about it, like, I'm, I'm.
	Same with homophobic.
	I don't know.
	I don't know what this is on.
	So, yeah, yeah, you call me a homophobe, but, like, would you like to suck another man's dick?
	Like, no, like, you think that's disgusting?
	Like, the idea of that is just appalling to you?
	Yeah, like, you're a fucking homophobe, bro, because you're not gay.
	You're a transphobe if you don't fuck a transm.
	No, you're a transphobe if you're literally not a tranny.
	If you literally don't slice your dick.
	You're right.
	It's even more extreme than that.
	You're right.
	I'm super straight, bro.
	Super straight.
	It's such a weird thing.
	Like, you cannot.
	I guess this is the Overton window technically of like, if it is outside of this, what we've said is acceptable, then you are a phobe answer whatever you want before that, and you can no longer talk.
	Like, it's such a weird thing where there's like, you can't talk about how Muslims, like how like Muhammad was technically married to like, what, a 13-year-old, or he was, like, raping, like, things I was doing.
	I think he was then.
	Okay.
	Things were different.
	If it bleeds, it leads.
	I was going to say, I think you're actually thinking of Gandhi, but I'm not sure.
	Gandhi.
	Bang teens?
	Never look up these people, especially if they lived pre, I don't know, 1990.
	Like, never look them up because they most likely had sex with underage women.
	Yeah, but like, he was still right about British colonialism.
	Like, you know, like, if Hitler says two plus two is whore, he's right.
	That's what I'm saying.
	100%.
	Like, I don't, like, it's so weird.
	Like, I can separate art from the artist, and I can separate these people's bad takes from their good takes.
	Like, I can look at, I mean, I mean, anybody.
	I mean, there's tons of people that have been canceled for their art.
	Yeah.
	Like, if she ever tells a good joke, I'll laugh when it happens.
	At some point.
	I don't know when that's going to happen, but if she does, I'll laugh.
	It's that old joke of when...
	I like how she fucking...
	Remember they had...
	I don't mean to interrupt you, man, but could you believe the fact that they had to fucking totally change the Netflix rating system because she got trolled so hard on that the last one?
	It's still changed.
	It happened, it happened right at the same time.
	So I had the five-star system.
	Yeah, five-star system, and then like it literally got like a half a star.
	I think it was zero.
	Honestly, it's better now, though.
	The rating system is better now.
	I like the 86% match, the 95%.
	I like the system they have better now, but they definitely changed it because of Amy Schumer.
	Oh, they've also just like they just got all your metadata from fucking Twitter and Instagram and everything.
	And they're just like, and they're just like, oh, yeah, you'll love fucking, oh, what's that?
	What was that?
	Little kids.
	I was just going to make a joke about you.
	I forgot the name of it.
	Cuties.
	You're going to love cuties, you motherfucker.
	You weird bitch.
	95% match.
	I think they still give me like a 19% match on.
	I'm like, fuck you, man.
	So you're only 19% pet?
	It's still way too high.
	No, I'm not putting back the 4% because that's the only thing I'm attracted to.
	I actually watched the movie.
	I had to watch it just like comment on it.
	I was like, I can't comment on it if I haven't actually seen it.
	So I don't know.
	Jeffrey Eddie was such a racist, man.
	He only screwed around with white chicks.
	I swear I'm going to hell, man.
	No, or that's the fucking Bill Clinton is a racist because he only fucked a white chick in the Oval Office.
	He didn't like do Kamala Harris at all.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Why didn't you take advantage of the black intern, Bill?
	You fucking racist.
	Well, she was too busy with the different slick Willie at the time.
	And she's like, I think it though, right?
	I did actually.
	I made the joke because I made a joke on Twitter one time of like Monica Lewinsky must look at Kamala Harris and be like, man, I sucked a dick and all I got was a spot on my dress.
	And she sucks a dick and she gets vice president.
	And I told that to one of my in-real life friends and they were just like, what do you mean?
	That's kind of racist.
	Nobody knows.
	And I was just like, you don't understand, you don't understand.
	Kamala Harris literally had sex with this one guy in California and that's how she started her political career.
	Yeah, Willie Brown.
	I don't think that happened.
	I'm like, it happened.
	Yeah, I get the dude in a minute, but I mentioned it.
	Yeah.
	I mentioned that on Twitter.
	It's not even a conspiracy.
	It's like, it's like some well-documented shit.
	And that dude, that Willie Brown dude is so cool about it.
	He's like, you know, he literally, he's like, yeah.
	He's like, that's how you do it, man.
	You run into it.
	You got to run through this one, not away from it.
	Like, you know, like, yeah, yeah, she, yeah, yeah.
	She was 18.
	She sent me her tits like, like a year.
	So, and so I sent her back an application.
	That's how it works.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, this is actually.
	This is actually how we've kind of like done it for a podcast: of like, anytime there is a controversy, we don't back down at all.
	We're just like, don't apologize.
	We're just like, yeah, we said it and we think it's funny.
	And fuck you.
	And like, it's been good for us because usually like if you say you're sorry, it's kind of like that lawyer thing of like, don't admit, don't if you say you're sorry.
	Don't incriminate.
	Yeah, you sell it.
	It's technically an admission of guilt.
	And if you're guilty, then you technically did something bad.
	So if you just don't say you're sorry and you just double down on it, it's really hard to, it's really hard to get onto somebody.
	So I wonder if that would be like a good, like, would that be like a good marketing strategy for guys like us?
	Like, let's say, for example, like, let's say you guys make like a podcast and like for a five-minute segment of that podcast, you just totally berate AOC.
	Okay.
	Let's just say hypothetically.
	And then you make like this fake fucking apology video where you're like, hey, we just wanted to say that we're both and like you could even do it like super cheesy where like you like you like finish each other's sentences and shit.
	It's like pre-scripted.
	You know, we're so sorry that we called AOC a fucking whore on our podcast.
	You know, it's just like redo it and then try to make the apology go viral.
	You know, so that links back to the original content.
	That's technically like the um it kind of has that same vibe as that one guy.
	I mentioned this I think on our last podcast.
	There's that one guy that uh went up to Matt Gates and he had like all this Trump stuff on in a MAGA hat and he was like, dude, I totally don't think you're a pedo, bro.
	Everybody, what everybody's saying about you is totally wrong.
	You're not a pedophile.
	No one's gonna believe that, bro.
	You're not a pedophile.
	Was he seriously was he trolling him?
	Oh, he was trolling him so hard.
	He was just like, I'm your biggest fan and I know you're not a pedophile.
	And he just kept saying it and it was filmed.
	It was so great.
	I was like, that's so good.
	Do you think Gates did that shit?
	The more that comes out, there's so much weird stuff about it.
	But he hasn't been arrested yet, though.
	You'd think he'd be fucked, because the FBI will arrest you for being innocent.
	He's a politician.
	I thought they said they were...
	He's just a congressman.
	Yeah.
	And also, he's a Republican congressman.
	It's not like they were going to be light-handed on him a little bit.
	Right.
	I just have mixed feelings about it.
	I have mixed feelings, too, because it's really shady, especially the guy that he was doing all that stuff with that did get arrested and is in jail right now.
	Yeah, but they gave the guy a plea deal, so how can you fucking believe anything he says?
	He could be just trying to fucking get a deal for a certain sentence.
	Yeah, which is why plea deals are pretty bad for that reason.
	If you're innocent, you should not legally be allowed to plea, because in my opinion, that is perjury.
	Yeah.
	That's true.
	Yeah.
	How is a plea deal not perjury if you're innocent?
	Yeah, they're literally incentivizing you to lie, right?
	Because it's like you're either going to...
	Under oath.
	Yeah.
	You're either going to stand trial and potentially get, yeah, some ridiculous sentence, whatever it would be, life, death penalty, depending on what the crime was, or you can plea and you're guaranteed 20 years or whatever.
	It's like, well, what are you going to do?
	Well, think about it, Dave.
	You got a wife.
	You got a kid, right, Dave?
	I got a wife.
	I don't have a kid yet.
	Okay.
	Let's just say hypothetically, I just had a baby this year.
	Let's say that you're facing...
	Thanks, man.
	Let's say you're facing 15 years in prison.
	You're innocent.
	And you get two years if you plead.
	I mean, when you have a family, that becomes very tempting.
	Oh, yeah.
	Like, I wonder if it's such a...
	It's a very, very...
	I wouldn't do it.
	I don't think I would do it.
	But it would be a very hard decision.
	I think I would be like, fuck you.
	It also depends on what they're saying I'm doing.
	Well, I think it depends on what they're saying I was doing.
	And they were just like, by the way, we have been on pedo charges.
	If you plea, you get two years.
	Sure.
	Or you can go.
	It's like, sure.
	I'd be like...
	Well, let's say it's insider trading.
	You know, something nobody cares if you actually did.
	Let's say it's...
	I take the plea.
	I take the plea, 100%.
	Yeah.
	For two years versus...
	Dude, I don't think I would plea.
	I don't think I would plea on a fucking jaywalking charge.
	I'd be like, no, I didn't fucking do it.
	That's true.
	You know?
	I guess there's like...
	I guess there's two different thoughts to this because I think...
	So Michael Malice and Tim Pool talked about this.
	Three hots and a cot, baby, every day.
	Michael Malice and Tim Pool talked about this kind of on their show about like, should you fight against the system or should you just kind of like take it because, I mean, they're going to force their will on you to spite it.
	So, and he was a part of the thing of like, I guess because he grew up in Russia of you just got to take it and then just, I mean, just kind of live to fight another day.
	And the Tim Pool was like, no, you fucking fight it every time.
	And so...
	Well, I was talking to somebody about that on my podcast the other day.
	It's like, listen, like, do you martyr yourself on Twitter and say shit that you know is going to get you banned?
	Or do you self-censor in like the hope that you can have more of an influence over a longer period of time by not being de-platformed?
	You know, that's like we face that every day, I guess, in some small way.
	But I feel like with the criminal justice system, the repercussions are so devastating that it's hard to, it's hard to like, you know, play the game.
	Dude, you're talking to a guy that's actually been, actually been doxxed and lost his job because of shit he said on Twitter.
	So, and I still like...
	Oh yeah, 100%.
	Yeah.
	What happened, man?
	I literally, so I've told the story a lot of times, but I mean, I've always...
	Oh, sorry.
	No, no, it's fine.
	I like, I like, I like telling it because it is like, it's kind of a crazy thing that can happen to people and so like, this was whenever I did have, before Fat Dave, I had like my, it was a personal account and there was a Twitter story, like SportsCenter posted a story about a hockey player that died because someone hit a hockey puck into the back of his head.
	And so me being the fucking, yeah, being the fucking shit poster I am, I said, hey, man, just walk it off.
	You'll be fine.
	And...
	Oh, fucking Clint did that on Abbott the other day.
	I couldn't fucking believe that.
	Did you see Clint?
	Oh.
	Yeah, that's what's happening.
	Yeah, it was something about that.
	Yeah, and I saw that.
	And so, and so I said that to, I said that to this guy and then I get all of these fucking hockey lovers in my mentions.
	And I was like, I didn't back down.
	Teammates, shit like that.
	Oh, yeah, it wasn't even teammates, it was just these dudes that, I mean, just dudes fucking from Canada or something.
	And I, and they're, and they're trying to be like, terrible.
	Well, weird because it was a Russian hockey player, I thought.
	It was, it was a Russian hockey player, but he played in Canada.
	And I, and like, they would, they would say, you're terrible.
	And I would just, I mean, I would just shitpost and troll them right after that.
	I'd be like, hey, man, I can't believe this guy.
	Like, can you imagine getting murked by a fucking piece of rubber?
	I was like, wouldn't it be me?
	And I was like, uh.
	That is, that's hilarious.
	Obviously, you're kidding, but yeah, I can see how people, you know, buying people got really the family, though.
	Like, only the family and like-the people who knew him should give a shit about people.
	It was literally random people.
	It was literally random people.
	And they were getting really upset.
	And then this one guy gets really mad.
	And he goes, I'm going to ruin your life.
	I'm going to do all this stuff.
	And I was just like, Have that.
	He fucking meant it.
	And they, so, and they looked me up.
	They, they got my name.
	I think what they did was they reverse image searched my profile picture, found my Facebook or whatever, and then for my Facebook found and LinkedIn and they found my work.
	And I worked at that time.
	I'm a civil engineer.
	And at that time, they I worked for a pretty big like international company and they found it.
	They started tweeting at them and they and they were tweeting at them like yeah, fuck you, Monsanto, fire him.
	And they would literally, that's what they did.
	They found other, they, they would dig up old tweets of like out-of-context tweets and be like, okay, send that to him.
	And they would say, dude, this is.
	I actually heard it.
	I was there.
	You were not there, you fucking no.
	With your manager, I was there on Discord.
	That wasn't my manager.
	No, I never had my manager on there.
	What?
	Who was that then?
	Probably like a, I don't know.
	And it wasn't my manager.
	But, but I did.
	So I, I, so my, uh, I, and actually, when I was getting doxxed, I messaged my boss like right away and said, hey, this is happening right now.
	I'm just going to let you know, get ahead of it.
	This is what they're saying.
	And so, and he said, okay, just come to work tomorrow.
	We'll talk about it.
	And so came into work.
	And then, like, I, they, apparently, like, this got up to HR or whatever.
	They called.
	And at that time, I like, I worked in a branch of an office.
	Their main office was in Virginia.
	I'm down in Alabama.
	And they, um, so they, this, my boss came, the business manager of that office came to me and said, hey, okay, so first of all, what the fuck?
	Don't, what'd you fucking do, you idiot.
	I was just like, yeah, you know, I just, I kind of do this.
	I like get on Twitter and I'm an idiot on there.
	And I do all this stuff.
	You get carried away.
	Yeah.
	I get carried away.
	And he was just like, okay, well, we're putting on you on a like a suspension till like Friday.
	This is like a Wednesday.
	He said, till Friday.
	Because you made a joke about a hockey player dying from a hockey puck.
	So there was one.
	So then they, like I said, they started going through my old tweets and they found like they found like the ones.
	They found some ones like either towers or something super out of context.
	So I'll tell you what it was because this is, it's actually pretty bad if you see it out of context.
	So me and another guy, like a guy I knew, we were arguing about miraculous.
	A friend, like a Twitter friend.
	It was like, I knew the guy we had talked and he was a basically, I don't know if you know who Max Sterner is, but he was a Sterner guy.
	Basically, it means that you know what Might Makes Right is?
	Might makes right.
	So basically, you don't have a utilitarian or like, oh, so whoever has the strength to conquer an area has the right to occupy.
	Basically that on an individual level, like you don't have rights unless what you can enforce your will on others to take.
	That's your right.
	And so I was.
	So that's like the argument against like the Native Americans, right?
	It's like, hey, we conquered it.
	It's ours kind of shit.
	Yeah, it's basically, yeah.
	So it's like, well, I mean, I guess you weren't strong enough to enforce your property rights.
	So now it's our property.
	So basically, I know it.
	Well, it makes the Holocaust seem way worse.
	Way less worse, I mean.
	Exactly.
	Oh, Mike Makes Right.
	So these are the things I bring up, or like a thing that I always bring up when I talk about it.
	It's just like, well, then a pedophile, like his, if he can enforce his will on a child, therefore that's his right to do that.
	Out of context, you're fine.
	Out of context.
	And out of context, I said that.
	You were actually making the argument against that.
	Yeah.
	And I'm thinking, I was being totally, I was using an ad absurdum argument and saying, this, look at this.
	This is what you're saying right now.
	And start bringing Latin into the fucking argument with your boss.
	And I actually did say ad absurdum to my boss.
	It's reductive, Adams.
	Whatever.
	This is actually an ad hominem attack.
	That's a fallacy.
	That's a fallacy.
	I'm an anarchist.
	And they did actually clip just that because they didn't want to show the replies.
	Because if you read the replies, the context is easy to see.
	And so that gets clipped.
	And my boss is like, what about this one?
	No, I was just like, dude, I'm telling you, that's not what I mean.
	But like, if you put that up and they like, they're worried about their, you know, their clients saying that you hired a guy that is a, that thinks pedophiles have the right to fuck children.
	And so you might as well be a Biden voter, you know?
	Yeah.
	That's what I should have argued.
	I'd be like, I'm just a Biden voter.
	So that's all.
	That would have got me fired.
	He's in a red state.
	I'm in a very red state.
	So they put you on suspension and they kept getting shit and they just decided, hey, we got to cut you loose.
	And they didn't keep getting shit.
	The guy removed.
	So we, because I'm in a community of tower gangers, the guy technically he doxed me on Twitter, which is against Twitter's policy.
	So they doxed me.
	They were messaging my wife and they were messaging my mom, sending them shit.
	And they put out my phone number.
	They actually put out my work number, not my regular phone number.
	Thank God.
	And then they put out my work address and stuff like that.
	My work.
	I think they may have put out my home address, which I've moved since then.
	But and it got taken down.
	It was gone.
	You could not find it.
	Like you couldn't find the pictures that they screenshot it and put up.
	You couldn't find anything.
	You could find people talking about it, but you couldn't find it anymore.
	But the HR department apparently went up to the CEO of this company and he said no.
	And by that time, they're like, I have no chance.
	Like, I'm just, I mean, I'm an engineer one or something like that in a company of five, you know, five plus thousand people or whatever.
	And the CEO is over.
	I mean, it's a multi-million dollar company.
	And I talked to my boss and he was like, hey, man, we fought for you.
	We tried to keep you here.
	We wanted you here.
	But the good thing was they immediately got me into another job, like immediately.
	So I got a different job within a couple of days.
	And the funny thing is, my next job, maybe I shouldn't say this.
	Let's just say my next job was not as strict on what I can do online.
	They do not give a fuck.
	Pretty fun.
	That's why I can do Tower Day.
	So Taliban.
	Yeah, basically, yeah, yeah.
	I'm going to tell that right now.
	I'm in Afghanistan.
	I'm not in Alabama.
	I'm working remote.
	Yeah, that was the situation there.
	Osama bin Laden was the first remote worker.
	That guy is fucking Fortune 500 CEO, innovator right there.
	He actually had somebody just drop out of a plane through his roof the other day.
	That's right.
	The Kabul Skydiving Club.
	That's what I'm part of.
	Oh, dude.
	I was just going to say, I had the funniest fucking tweet ever.
	I have so many tweets in my drafts that would immediately get me suspended.
	And I screenshot them.
	Send them to me.
	Send them to me and I will tweet them.
	I will tweet them.
	I'll send them to you.
	But take me out of it, though.
	Oh, yeah.
	I'll take it.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	I'll pretend it's mine.
	Like, I made this up.
	But no, dude, it's kind of funny.
	Before I know I interrupted you, I've said stuff on the bottom.
	Toad, I didn't interrupt you either, dude.
	Sorry.
	Sometimes it's a little AC.
	I said stuff on Twitter, and I'm just like, I'm getting banned.
	This is it.
	I called it, I called a corporal journalist a retard.
	I've said the N-word on Twitter before.
	Nothing.
	Never got banned.
	I don't know what it is, but I've said some crazy shit and nothing.
	Dude, I haven't been banned yet since 2009.
	My account has been up.
	I think it's my original Twitter account.
	It's still up.
	I don't know.
	Like, I think I'm going to get banned for numerous things and it hasn't happened yet.
	We're talking about it.
	You have to get like the critical mass of reports, I think.
	That's part of it.
	Yeah, I think that is what it is.
	Or you have to, like, there was one tower where everybody in the tower got banned for, and it wasn't even like a very offensive tower.
	It was because it was on this dude, like, anti-fash Gordon or something.
	I think he has connections with Twitter or something because it was like instant ban.
	All these people gone.
	Like the entire tower.
	And it was mostly women because it was lady tower gang.
	So we were kind of like, yeah, women don't know how to tower.
	Just like, yeah, whatever.
	I mean, I guess we cut our losses here.
	It's fine.
	But also, wasn't the dude who dox you like 15 or something living in this?
	Oh, yeah, it was some kid.
	It was some fucking kid.
	Because our community is so fun.
	They actually went and doxed him.
	And so like they, and they came to me and they said, here's his information.
	Do you want us to go it out?
	I said, no, I'm not.
	I'm not doxing people.
	Like, fuck that.
	I'm not going to.
	And I get really upset like when do you see people dox.
	I think it's one of the worst things you can do because.
	Well, what we should do is we should, we should, we should like create like if you if you updated like all the white pages.com websites and stuff with with an address of somebody you actually hated like so all the contact information is wrong so that when you get doxxed they actually end up doxing like aoc so you like the leftist like show up at our house like with like you know bags of shit Well,
	it's just really, I just find it anything that we're, you can take away someone's livelihood because of shit they said on Twitter or like just like words.
	It's just so reprehensible to me.
	It's scary and it's reprehensible that you, that souls, like you won't just block.
	I mean, just block me.
	If you don't like what I say, just blog me.
	I don't give a fuck.
	Honestly, or give me shit back.
	I don't give a fuck either.
	But don't like go after like my wife because my wife didn't do anything.
	I said this shit.
	She's not a part of it.
	Don't go.
	She shouldn't have married you, bro.
	She shouldn't have married you.
	Yeah, she shouldn't have.
	She shouldn't have.
	Mike Mick's right, bro.
	That's right.
	Honestly, I just took her one day and then she just caveman situations.
	Yeah, just buried my hair.
	So where can people follow you guys?
	Where can they find you?
	I'm Fat Comic Dave on Twitter.
	And then also the Tower Gang, the Tower Power Hour is Tower Gang Pod on Twitter.
	And then just Tower Power Hour on YouTube, Spotify, Google Podcast.
	I mean, all the shit where you can find a podcast.
	We do a show every Monday.
	And coming up soon, we'll probably be going to two shows a week just because he has so many guests trying to get on.
	So Monday, Wednesdays, or Monday, Tuesdays, or Tuesday, Wednesdays.
	It just depends.
	But yeah, we've got a ton of coming up.
	Toad, I think you know more of the guest schedule.
	So if you want to give out some of the fun guests we have coming up.
	I do.
	I can do that.
	And I'm at Anarcho-Toad on Twitter, which I have right here.
	On Tower Power, our, well, our upcoming show on Monday, I think we had our guests have to drop out.
	So I think we're trying to schedule somebody in on that, or we might do like an AMA type of thing.
	We don't know yet on that one, I think.
	And upcoming after that, we got the following week, Though Bishop and Neo Connor Mover are on.
	We got Justin O'Donnell coming up.
	After that, we got awesome.
	I love Justin O'Donnell.
	Nice.
	We got the Philosopher coming up after that.
	A whole bunch of people.
	A 9-11 special with, I think, a surprise guest.
	Not so surprised, but definitely someone that he actually just confirmed today, which is going to be really fun.
	But if we do say the name on here, it might cause this video to be removed from YouTube.
	A little RD action?
	Little RD action.
	You should get RD on there with Tony Schaefer at the same time.
	I don't think I've ever.
	I'll be honest.
	I never heard of Tony Schaefer.
	No, no problem.
	So Tony Schaefer is 100,000 followers on Twitter.
	He's been on my podcast, I think, two or three times.
	He's awesome.
	He was one of the Intel guys that basically showed that we knew 9-11 was going to happen before it happened.
	And that was kind of his place of fame.
	Wow.
	And then I guess like, and then, I mean, is he in the same kind of boat as RD that he's been kind of removed from a lot of places?
	Or is it kind of?
	No, no, he's not.
	He hasn't.
	Yeah, he hasn't.
	Well, and I think RD's problem is he's so anti-Israel, and I don't think Tony's anti-Israel.
	So you got to call him TS, man.
	Yeah.
	Tony's like on Fox and stuff all the time.
	I mean, he's kind of a, he's kind of like a mainstream dude or a mainstream voice.
	I don't want to call him a mainstream dude because he definitely does not hold like narrative congruent or parallel like beliefs or views, but he's he's um he's just kind of respected in the mainstream.
	That'd be awesome because we are doing we were because we are tower gang and our uh our profile picture is of the twin towers we are doing a 9-11 special.
	Yeah, if you look at it, it's the twin towers and it says tower gang on it because we're fucking retards.
	Oh man, that's amazing.
	You guys should Photoshop it so that it's that so that it like it's the twin towers, but they're like pancakes.
	We're working with Top Lobster a lot.
	He's a badass dude.
	He is the fucking best.
	We're working with him on our Natal Eva special one to do something really fun.
	So That one's going to be a great one, and we're looking forward to that.
	Awesome.
	Well, thanks for coming on the show, man.
	I appreciate you guys both coming.
	You guys are fucking hilarious.
	You guys are hilarious.
	You got great insights.
	And I really enjoyed this one quite a bit.
	And stay in touch, man.
	Let me know if you ever want to collaborate on anything.
	I want to do some of these hacks where we can edit some Trump videos and make it look like he's on podcasts and stuff.
	We have people, I mean, you're hilarious, man.
	And we have other people that are just like, hey, we want to get something together where we get a lot of the really funny people and just have a roundtable.
	We're just bullshitting.
	I mean, Adam Nutter is one that he really wants to get something like that.
	So, I mean, we'll definitely hit you up, get you on our podcast.
	But, I mean, thanks for having us on, man.
	This was great.
	Yeah.
	Well, we should legit do something where we get like 10 people in the same city.
	Like, you guys could come to Austin or something, and we could, we could, like, what if we did like a real one, like, you know, we're all actually in the same room, you know, just like, I don't know, what's like, we could make it like an annual thing on January 6th.
	It'd be so awesome.
	That is so great.
	I love it.
	I fucking do.
	I appreciate you.
	I appreciate you.
	You too.

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