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June 30, 2021 - One American - Chase Geiser
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Eric S. Deems | Is College Worth It & Why Is Everyone So Broke? | OAP #20
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One another.
In this world, there's room for everyone, and the good earth is rich and can provide for everyone.
The way of life can be free and beautiful.
But we have lost the way.
Greed has poisoned men's souls, has barricaded the world with hate, has goose-stepped us into misery and bloodshed.
We have developed speed, but we have shut ourselves in.
Machinery that gives abundance has left us in want.
Our knowledge has made us cynical, our cleverness hard and unkind.
We think too much and feel too little.
More than machinery, we need humanity.
More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness.
Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost.
The aeroplane and the radio have brought us closer together.
The very nature of these inventions cries out for the goodness in men, cries out for universal brotherhood, for the unity of us all.
Even now, my voice is reaching millions throughout the world.
Millions of despairing men, women, and little children.
Victims of a system that makes men torture and imprison innocent people.
To those who can hear me, I say, do not despair.
The misery that is now upon us is but the passing of greed, the bitterness of men who fear the way of human progress.
The hate of men will pass and dictators die.
And the power they took from the people will return to the people.
And so long as men die, liberty will never perish.
Soldiers, don't give yourselves to brutes.
Men who despise you, enslave you, who regiment your lives, tell you what to do, what to think, and what to feel, who drill you, diet you, treat you like cattle, use you as cannon fire.
Don't give yourselves to these unnatural men.
Machine men with machine minds and machine hearts.
You are not machines.
You are not cattle.
You are men.
You have the love of humanity in your hearts.
You don't hate.
Only the unloved hate.
The unloved and the unnatural.
Soldiers, don't fight for slavery.
Fight for liberty.
In the 17th chapter of St. Lucas is written, the kingdom of God is within man.
Not one man nor a group of men, but in all men, in you, you, the people, have the power.
The power to create machines.
The power to create happiness.
You, the people, have the power to make this life free and beautiful, to make this life a wonderful adventure.
Then, in the name of democracy, let us use that power.
Let us all unite.
Let us fight for a new world.
A decent world that will give men a chance to work, that will give you the future and old age a security.
By the promise of these things, brutes have risen to power, but they lie.
They do not fulfill that promise.
They never will.
Dictators free themselves, but they enslave the people.
Now let us fight to fulfill that promise.
Let us fight to free the world, to do away with national barriers, to do away with greed, with hate and intolerance.
Let us fight for a world of reason.
A world where science and progress will lead to all men's happiness.
Soldiers, in the name of democracy, let us all unite.
Only ask.
What's up?
How are you?
I'm doing great.
How are you doing, man?
Doing very well.
It's good to see you.
It's good to see you, too.
It's been too long.
You look good.
Thank you.
You know who you always kind of remind me of?
Well, Philip Seymour Hoffman.
You know, I've gotten that a couple times.
I'll take that as a compliment.
And a very specific Philip Seymour Hoffman, by the way.
You are the most like Philip Seymour Hoffman from A Talented Mr. Ripley.
Okay.
Notice.
Have you ever seen that movie?
I haven't, but I'm going to add it to my list here.
It's got Matt Damon in it, Jude Law.
Everybody you'd ever want to know about.
You started a podcast.
How's that going?
I'm having fun.
It's, you know, it's like it's a workout, right?
It's the continual movement.
Much like any muscle you want to grow, you just got to keep making it happen.
So even when you don't want to, consistency is the key.
I'm excited to see you have yours.
Yeah, it's been fun.
I just decided to do it.
I just kind of got just sat up with all the political stuff going on and felt like the only thing I knew how to do was complain.
So.
Well, I hate that everything has become political.
I agree.
I've been thinking about that a lot lately because I used to be interested in all sorts of things.
Right.
I saw somebody post something on social media.
I don't remember which one.
Earlier today, and it said, yeah, this was from eight years ago before my feed was nothing but people's political.
This is a picture of my mom forcing me to take a picture with somebody that I told her was cute, their waiter.
And I thought, yeah, that's what social media feeds used to look like.
Not anymore.
I know it's brutal.
I can't even, I can't even spend any time on Facebook anymore.
It's just too overwhelming.
And I was a big Facebook guy.
I mean, my whole business is built on Facebook advertising.
And I just can't.
Well, the biggest demographic of folks who listen to my show come are the users of Facebook.
Now, we're trending younger now.
Younger, I mean, 30s to 40s.
But when I came right out of the gate, it was mostly about 40% were over 55.
Yeah, my demographic's older too.
And 75% are male.
So give the audience what they want, you know.
Now, do you do a do you do a video portion of your podcast too, or are you just doing the audio?
I don't.
I've just been doing audio.
I am, I probably need to get sophisticated like you and set it up and go down that path.
But right now, I've just been recording my producer, JB.
He comes in, sets it up.
We were in a mastermind together, which is how this whole thing started.
And he said, Eric, I heard a couple of your first episodes.
Why haven't you done more?
And I said, his name's Jake.
I said, Jake, I can't, I'm just overwhelmed at the idea of everything behind the curtain.
I just want to be on stage performing.
Just let me go out there and do what I want to do.
And he said, well, you know, I moved to town to be a songwriter, so I know how to do all the technical stuff.
I have all the equipment.
Will you let me produce it for you?
Yeah, absolutely.
So he was showing up once a week, right here, sets everything up, and away we go.
So that's how we record the show, usually on Friday mornings.
We do the weekend review first and then record ahead of time for the Tuesday show, which is more of what I call Midwestern pragmatism, the things I grew up with, you know, where I grew up with two neighbors.
I didn't know that one neighbor was black.
I didn't know the other neighbor was a lesbian, but one neighbor was black.
The other neighbor was a lesbian, but I knew them as Lou and Regina.
Right.
But the point being, that's not how we defined him.
We defined him as our neighbor, you know, and they were great people.
I have lost touch with Regina.
Lou passed away a few years ago, but he was so proud of his, he had a son who was an NFL referee.
And so we would go over to his house on Sundays and watch his son referee.
Wow.
So it's kind of fun how that works.
But yeah, in a town that was 97.2% white and only 6,000 people, you know, it's kind of hard to a lot of the buckets that you're being forced in just don't apply.
And then I begin to think, well, this is the majority of America.
And so that's kind of how the podcast has morphed into kind of those conversations.
But JB, if it wasn't for him, these dulcet tones wouldn't be on the airways.
Yeah, it drives me nuts when people refer to the Midwest as flyover states.
And don't get me wrong, I grew up in the middle of nowhere, Illinois.
There were 2,000 people in the town.
That's right.
Yeah, I graduated with a class of 80 from high school.
Yeah, I was 82, class of 82.
Nice.
I was very proud that I by one position, I ranked in the top half of my class.
So I can put on my application to Belbot that I graduated in the top half of my class.
That's great.
That's great.
Yeah, I don't think, I actually think it's when I hear the white privilege nonsense and all this kinds of, you know, stuff that's, I mean, just polluting the airwaves, you know, systemic racism and all that stuff.
Yeah, it existed at one point in our history, but it doesn't exist today.
And when you start scratching your head and asking, why, why do we keep seeing more and more of this?
Well, think of where the narrative, from where the narrative is coming.
It's coming from major cities.
It's coming from really urban environments.
And so I think it's the big cities versus the rest of us.
That's actually where I think the breakdown is.
And the rest of us is most American.
They're sitting back saying, you know what?
When everybody's making money, the problems go away.
So, and we're too busy to watch cable news every night anyway.
You look at those numbers.
It's not even 1% of the U.S. population tuning in to any one of those stations.
So that tells me that the narrative that's taken over the country has been Hijacked by just a handful of people in elite circles in certain uh media markets, right?
So, yeah, I totally agree.
And uh, you know, as long as big tech censorship is uh under control, I think the future of media is what we're doing right now.
Um, not necessarily you or me specifically, but I think that people are turning to influencers rather than brand name media conglomerates for information.
And it's happening on both the left and the right.
And it started to kind of happen, I think, you know, maybe 10, 20 years ago.
You started to kind of see it a little bit where people would be like, oh, I really like Larry King.
They wouldn't say I really like CNN, right?
Right.
And, you know, you started to see this like shift away from what network do you watch to who do you watch on that network, right?
And my wife today, she's like, oh, I love Tucker, but she doesn't like Fox, but she loves Tucker, you know?
And so I think that we're moving to an influencer platform.
My only concern is that we might wind up in a spot where we're only listening to people that we agree with.
And those people, opposition is not communicating back and forth.
So I've been trying so hard to have people that I disagree with come on the podcast.
And none of them want to do it.
And maybe it's because I'm inflammatory in my tweets or whatever, but I don't want to be like, you know, rude or in some sort of debate or, you know, try to get a bunch of clicks with some sort of, you know, crazy behavior.
I just, I actually want to have the conversation.
Yeah.
No, that's, yeah, a couple of things there.
I agree with what you're saying.
The cable news kind of the deterioration of cable news began when you had to have breaking news every 15 minutes.
And finally, people are realizing, you know, unless you're, you know, like I used to keep the news on.
I remember growing up, you know, if I was around, I would just have a cable news network on because I like to be informed and know what's going on.
Sometimes it would be C-SPAN.
No, I've kind of reverted back to C-SPAN, right?
Yeah, at least you're getting it from the source.
That's right.
And the good thing about kind of the democratization of media is you're at least going to know where people stand.
And so when you tune in for Tucker or you tune in for Rachel Maddow or whoever it is, wherever they are, as everybody can have a platform, right?
Anybody could do what we're doing right now if they have, you know, a webcam and an internet connection.
So a couple of things are going to happen there.
You're going to have a whole lot more voices out there.
That's a good thing, but it's going to be a lot harder for folks who want to break in and be kind of a media star.
That's probably going to be a whole lot more difficult.
But I think it's actually going to be better for the conversation because people won't have to pretend like they're riding the fence or pretend like they're objective because it just hasn't been for so long.
And, you know, you hear folks say journalism is dead.
Well, what version of journalism?
Because if you're not adapting, you're dying.
And, you know, so.
Yep.
Tread and water is the same as drowning.
That's right.
That's right.
I think one of the main changes that happened in journalism is that I don't think that these major media networks are investing the money like they used to in the investigative reporting, right?
Because that's right.
And, you know, there used to be a really good case for subscribing to the New York Times as like a citizen because you're funding someone going over to Syria with a Kevin vest on and capturing the story, but they're not even doing that anymore.
So you might as well just be doing what we're doing, right?
That's right.
Well, they used to have reporters.
Right.
And they used to have to get sources.
And this is to my point of the deterioration with the 15-minute news cycle.
You don't have time to go corroborate with primary and secondary sources because somebody else may tweet it out first.
And, you know, what do they say?
A half-truth or a lie gets around the world six times before the truth has had a chance to put his shoes on, something like that, you know.
And that's just it.
You know, so I actually don't, I actually do not have Twitter or Facebook on my phone.
I have to get onto my desktop to do that.
I stole that from Tim Ferriss.
I follow what he puts out and he recently did that.
I guess he did it a while ago, but he recently talked about it in his five-bullet Friday email.
You know, that's a pretty good deal.
Yeah, because I found myself just pulling out my phone and refreshing my email and then going to social media just out of habit.
You know, I'm sitting on the couch at night watching television, watching a show maybe my wife and I are connecting and bonding over, or somewhere else.
And I've turned this time of connection into a distraction.
You know, this idea of watching two screens at once, which apparently is a big thing, a big hurdle that movie houses are trying to overcome.
Yeah.
Well, I think COVID's the first one they got to beat.
That's right.
Well, COVID still exists.
The pandemic is over.
I just wish some of these tyrannical, authoritarian, power-hungry leaders would realize that.
But we'll see what happens in your former stomping grounds of California.
Gavin is being recalled.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I can't wait for us to recall him just so we can forget him.
That's right.
Yeah, I'm in Austin now, so I don't have to worry about it.
It feels like a breath of fresh air.
Yeah, if it's not, if it wasn't for Florida and Texas leading the way, we'd be in a whole lot of trouble.
DeSantis is doing a great job.
Yeah.
And I don't know.
I can't, I just can't believe if you would have asked me 18 months ago if the government would have been able to go in and tell us not to go to church, I would have been like, no way, maybe in 100 years.
Right.
It just happened.
And it doesn't seem like, I mean, there was some litigation, but like, no big deal.
Everybody was like, all right.
Like, I just couldn't believe the complacency.
Well, that's the other thing.
Our legal system is the best in the world up to this point, right?
It's we're a great experiment here, and we have the best thing going so far.
The legal system, unfortunately, takes time.
And so that's, I think eventually it will get caught up and will show that there was so much overreach and governors and unelected bureaucrats are going to get their hands slapped.
I mean, the CEC is already getting its hands slapped.
You know, you're not allowed to make these kinds of mandates and restrictions and force them on people.
You know, you have no authority to do that.
I think we're going to see more and more of that.
So that'll be nice precedent for the future.
And so hindsight, it'll be nice to say, well, at least we endured and got through that so that it won't happen again.
But unfortunately, we had to go through it.
Yeah, I just, I don't know.
What could I possibly say that hasn't already been said about it?
I just, it seems very peculiar to me that as soon as we seem to be close to getting out of it and moving on, there's always like one more story.
Right now, the Delta variant.
It's emerged.
I was like, none of the other variants killed any of my ex-girlfriends.
Like, is this one going to be the one that does it?
It's fear porn.
That's all it is.
And there are states, if you travel to a place that it was a lockdown state versus a free state, they're still taking this very seriously.
There are places where they, I mean, the masks are still on and the distancing and all that, even though the science is already in and all that stuff is pretty much BS.
Folks, folks want to be told what to do.
Have you been following the Iver Mectum story at all with Brett Weinstein?
I don't know that I know that the country of India is thinking of bringing charges against.
I just read a headline before getting on here.
I think so about them trying to shield away from Ivermectum because, and then that killing people dying because of that.
Yeah.
Basically, if Donald Trump said something, it was immediately terrible.
The big bad orange man, you know.
Yeah, I know.
And that was a tragedy in and of itself.
But are you familiar with who Brett Weinstein is?
You might know Eric's brother.
They've both been guests on Joe Rogan's podcast.
They're both sort of thought leaders.
Brett Weinstein was made famous.
He was a professor of, I believe, evolutionary biology at Evergreen University.
And a number of years ago, Evergreen University had like a Solidarity Day on campus where nobody who was white was supposed to go to campus.
It was just supposed to be for like minorities.
And he refused to stay home as like a Jewish man and an intellectual.
He's like, I'm not, that's racist.
I'm going to work.
And he went viral, basically defending himself, not physically, but verbally defending himself in front of a mob of students basically screaming at him for being on campus.
Yeah, I remember this.
Yeah.
So that's that's that's um uh Brett.
And Brett has a podcast called the Dark Horse Podcast.
And as an evolutionary biologist, he is somewhat of an expert in a tangent and relevant way to the whole COVID crisis.
He's not a virologist per se, but he's familiar with genetics and variants and determining whether or not something may be manufactured or naturally occurring, right?
And he has, he did an episode with Dr. I believe his name is Dr. Pierre Corey, but I could be butchering that.
And they sat for like three hours and laid out all the evidence that ivermectin works as a preventative measure for COVID and as a treatment for COVID if you catch COVID early enough.
And they basically, and this is just my understanding, so I could be getting this wrong, but they basically implied or made the case that it appears the pharmaceutical companies and the government intentionally wanted to shut down any knowledge or awareness of the efficacy of ivermectin for two reasons.
The first being that you can't get emergency use privileges for a vaccine if there is an effective treatment on the market.
And the second being that the drug is a very old, cheap, widely made drug.
And the pharmaceuticals can't make any money off of it because it's in public domain or whatever.
So they have since been banned or demonetized from YouTube and censored and their videos been taken down.
And it's just really bizarre because I never would have thought anything of it.
But then YouTube takes it down and all of a sudden I'm like, wait, maybe there's something to this.
It makes it seem all the more probable that that's the case when you see like big tech big tech censorship specifically target that one video.
And maybe they'll take this one down too.
I don't know.
I don't care.
But it's just alarming.
Yeah.
The big tech oligarchs, they're the ones really in control, need reined in.
I think that who was it on the Supreme?
Was it Clarence Thomas that suggested that big tech should be viewed as a utility?
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know which justice it was that said that or which leader it was that said that, but I have mixed feelings about it.
Yeah, I know, right?
Because it's an interesting one.
And what is it?
The section 230 or something like that?
Yeah.
It's a tough one because we're really in unprecedented moments here.
Yeah.
Well, and I think the challenge is the First Amendment, right?
So, you know, you have consumers that are saying, hey, this violates my First Amendment right, but not really because it's not the government oppressing your speech.
It's a private business.
That's right.
And then at the same token, it's like the private businesses are like, look, it's our First Amendment right as a private business to determine what we want or do not want on our platform, which gets hairy for a couple of reasons.
The first one is, well, if you're determining what is or is not on your platform, then you're not a platform anymore.
You're a publisher because you're editing.
And then 230 may not apply to you, right?
And then if you go beyond that and you look at all the federal government contracts that these major tech companies have, international government contracts that they have, constant explicit pressure from specific leaders on Twitter, like threatening antitrust lawsuits.
I mean, you can't really say that they're private businesses.
I mean, they're obviously behaving in a reactionary way to the government because they're afraid of increased regulation.
And so I'm not sure that it's actually a private business.
Right.
Well, it's a tailspin, you know?
So what do you do?
You go and you buy a radio station, and that's the solution.
Just buy a radio station and just put your voice out all by yourself.
You know, I just let them.
I thought about doing that.
I thought about doing that.
That's expensive too, though.
I think you can only emit a radio signal like, is it like 200 yards from your home or something because it violates FAA regulations or something?
I looked into it, bro.
All right.
Well, good.
There you go.
So what are you doing these days, man?
Last I talked to you, you were in a healthcare kind of startup, tech.
Yeah.
So, health tech, you know, we put that on the shelf.
That was a, it would have been great had we started that thing a year before COVID.
Had we had it in a year earlier, I guess is what I should have said.
Because we launched it summer of 19 and we were getting LOIs and getting some early stage investment, and that was very good.
Fast forward, the pandemic hits, literally the week of St. Patrick's Day, 2020.
I have several major meetings to finish up, finish inking the deals that we had agreed to.
And this would have put this technology, which was essentially a communication platform for seniors.
So they could have a tablet that was in their living space in the senior living facility, and it would communicate with the other sensors in the AI that was in their living area, you know, a sensor in the floor, sensor in the bed to know if somebody had fallen, if they'd gotten up, that kind of thing.
Voice activated.
So it would connect not only with those things, but also connect to social media so that this person, so grandma, grandpa could be connected with their family, as well as the health team and their caregivers and that kind of thing.
So, especially for smaller groups that had maybe three to 20 locations, senior living facilities, this was a great, a great solution for them.
And so that week when everything shut down, it was kind of an interesting, interesting moment.
My co-founder and I, Tim and I, we were like, well, what's going to happen here?
You know, everything has been canceled because, and in fact, one of the facilities we were talking with, they had one of the first outbreaks of COVID.
And so my contact inside was like, dude, this is nuts.
We have people from the CDC that have just moved in essentially.
They're trying to figure out what's going on.
It's going to be a while before we can talk about this.
We got to survival's the motivator now.
I said, yeah, I understand.
Got pushed basically a year.
That's right.
And so because of that, the big boys, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, they were able to step right in.
And they already, you know, our solution was compatible with Google, Home, Nest, as well as Facebook Portal and those things.
I think there may still be a solution at some point.
It'll be a different version.
We've continued to iterate.
We still have kind of weekly meetings to talk about that.
We've morphed that into some consulting.
So it's not over yet.
It's just, it's not going to be the solution that we initially had.
So we're waiting to see kind of what is a post-pandemic senior facility need and how can we take all of the data?
Because we had so much data gathered from healthcare providers and seniors, folks in the field, folks in corporate healthcare that were great resources for us.
So how can we continue to use that data to create the solution that's needed?
So if anything, all the trends that were already in place were sped up.
That's what I think COVID, that's going to be the greatest gift from COVID is the speeding up of trends for technology and healthcare.
So that's still there.
But real estate is my first love.
So I'm still chasing and doing a lot of real estate on the commercial side.
Yeah.
How's the commercial business in Nashville, given the context of the pandemic?
It's great.
I mean, it's good.
That's just look at what's happening.
You've got all of these announcements coming down.
Amazon is increasing their presence.
Oracle announces a new campus here, mocked after the campus they have in Austin.
And the banks don't have anywhere else to put the money.
That's right.
That's right.
Just got flushed with cash.
Yeah, that's right.
I mean, the federal government is giving them so much money.
So, you know, it's which that's a whole nother issue for us to talk about.
But then also the general motors plant, the former Saturn plant, they've turned, they're converting that into a battery facility.
So when you think of all those big movers.
I think the Cadillac, the new all-electric Cadillac, I think that's it.
You see all those kinds of things happening.
Well, if they move, if Amazon brings 5,000 jobs or another 2,500 jobs, well, how many additional ancillary jobs are going to come?
Because they need to be close to Amazon.
So it's the exponential network effect that's going to happen.
So real estate is still booming from that perspective.
What's interesting, and I think the jury's still out on this, is how do you the tightrope of remote versus in-person working environments?
Innovation and collaboration are done best when you're in person.
And Jamie Diamond has come out and said, if you're at Chase, sorry, but we're coming back together to make this happen.
You don't have to come back, you know, 40 hours a week, per se.
Right.
But not every job requires innovation.
I mean, that's jobs.
It's just technical, right?
That's right.
And I think it's something with our generation.
They like raised all of us to be leaders.
They raised all of us to be creative.
You know, all these sort of values that were just kind of blanketed on our whole generation.
It's like, you know what?
Some people just crunch numbers and you can do that at home.
I cringe when I hear graduation speeches and you all are leaders.
No, you're actually not.
And you're setting up.
That's the majority of you suck.
It's a net numbers.
Sorry.
But I think that's going to be interesting.
And that will dictate the office market here and how much was overbuilt, how much is still needed.
Are you seeing conversion?
Are you seeing commercial buildings being converted for residential?
I think the older stuff, I think the owners that own the older product, they're thinking, do we really need to turn this C product into B plus A minus, or is there a different play here?
And I think the different play.
What's the property tax variation on that?
That's a good question.
Is there a higher property tax for commercial property than residential?
I bet you there is.
So there's some there.
That's something to figure out.
The other thing to figure out is what property tax, where they're going to land.
We have a mayor here in Nashville that, you know, they just increased property taxes by 34%.
John Cooper.
And his brother is Jim, right?
It's Jim.
They're brothers.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Are you in District 5?
Yes.
Yeah.
You got to vote for Robbie Starbuck, man.
I have seen him.
He's running.
Yeah.
He's my boy.
I love him.
I had him on the show a couple of days ago.
Oh, very good.
No, I follow him and I think he's great.
Jim Cooper.
District 5 is a tough district.
Well, they're brothers and their dad was a governor.
And so it's just part of that political entitlement that is just polluting our political system all over the place at every level.
Yeah.
What are your thoughts on Cooper?
I think he tries to be a Republican, but on in talking points.
But when you look at his voting record, he's not.
He's pretty leftist.
So he's a nice guy.
You know, we're in Rotary together.
So he shows up.
He's in town all the time.
Pre-COVID, I'm assuming he's still here now.
But he also has one of the best internship programs.
I know friends who have interned for him in DC, and he's one of the members that actually spends time and actually is involved in the curriculum for you learning what's actually happening.
So I think he's a decent man.
I think he really enjoys his job.
But what have you done for us lately?
That's a question.
I looked it up earlier today.
There hasn't been a Republican elected to represent District 5 since 1875.
Interesting.
So I think part of the problem is that he's never felt threatened.
And I think that's right.
And I don't think he's just intentionally coasting, but I think that's just kind of what happens when you know you have job security after 20 years in any strategy.
Well, and Megan Berry thinks that it's her throne to ascend as well.
So she's going to come after what she did with the cop and the money.
Right.
You know, that's her, that's her ability to come back and prove that she's reformed.
She's the only Democrat that I ever voted for.
And I voted for her to prove to prove to myself that I was open-minded.
I was like, you know what?
She's got a good brand.
It's going to be fine.
It's a city-level position.
She's nice.
She's sharp.
And I thought, you know, I'm going to be, I'm going to prove to myself that I'm not just some like right-wing, you stubborn dude.
I'm going to vote for it.
And I did.
And then within 12 months, she slept with her security guard and laundered city money in order to pull it off.
Right.
In the cemetery of all places.
In the cemetery?
I didn't know that.
Yeah.
That's where they were going.
They were, there were security cam footage for a business across from the cemetery that would video them coming in about seven in the morning and then leaving about 7:15, 7:20.
Oh, so you know, the morning pick-me-up.
Nothing like going to the cemetery to start your day.
Man, it's just so wrong on so many levels.
And you know who I feel most sorry for?
All of the liberal women who really just worshiped and praised her as their feminist who's here to bring us through.
And then they worked hard on the campaign.
They didn't know what did they, I mean, they were knocking and walking like crazy, man.
And then she was just another one of the guys, you know.
So what do you do?
People are people, you know, it is what it is.
But I'm glad she's out of the way.
And I wish she would have had a little bit more remorse.
That was the big problem I had.
I think she was at record store day spinning a record.
I mean, literally two months later, and the record was, I don't think it was as overt as smooth criminal, but it was something like that.
And she's spinning.
And she posts it on her social media.
And I call her out on it and say, where's your remorse?
You could have at least, you know, gone away for six months and said you found Jesus and came back.
And I was blocked.
So I have been blocked from her.
So I can't see any of her social media.
How tragic.
You're probably not missing much.
I mean, at a certain point, they start to kind of parrot each other, I think.
And on the right, too.
You know, it's like it's trickle-down ideology, as I call it.
Well, and the other, that's just it.
You know, the electorate, they're really tired of all the political nonsense, too.
They want to know why gasoline has gone up.
They want to know why inflation has gone up 4%.
And people like Jim Cooper is who they're sending to Washington to not put us into more debt, but to actually solve problems.
So I think the next couple of years are going to be pretty interesting for a reckoning.
And I think also redistricting is going to play a big piece of that.
And I think the Republicans are going to win handily in 22.
And I think the 2023 redistricting is going to only further help Republicans for 24.
So do you think that you think they'll be able to leverage the power that they gained in 22 to redistrict favorably?
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah.
So in a state that is.
Why isn't there like a set way that the districting happens so that we don't have to have this debate every single time that redistricts?
Oh, we love gerrymandering because it happens on both sides, you know?
Yeah, I know, but that just sucks on both sides, though.
It's not good on both sides.
It always sucks.
I don't disagree with it.
Yeah.
But it's kind of like Senate rules.
We're going to do it now, but or we won't do it because you wouldn't do it.
And then here we are.
Right.
With the Supreme Court nomination, that was the big one that happened.
Exactly.
And then, you know, it goes back to Mitch McConnell keeps pointing to Harry Reid and how he was changing things.
So, folks, I'm just doing what your boss did, you know.
So, but on the redistricting, you think of a place like Texas where you're getting two additional seats.
I believe you're getting two seats.
I think it's two.
I think what will happen, and I think at least two-thirds of the state's legislatures are Republican.
And the state legislatures are the one that they draw the lines.
So I think what you can do is is it Sheila Jackson Lee, who's in Houston?
I should know.
Yeah, a far, far left.
She's really full of herself, if that's who I'm thinking of.
But they're going to draw that district in such a way that, or they're going to draw a Democrat district in such a way that maybe it's not as Democrat as it once was.
And they're just going to, I think they can leverage two into three or four net gain for Republicans.
Maybe more.
I mean, obviously not for the Senate because each state just gets right.
Right.
That's right.
So, and the House isn't really as, I mean, it's still very important, but the Senate's really where it's at, it seems like.
Yeah, they're supposed to be the cooler heads that prevail, right?
Right.
It's a lot harder to win a Senate race.
You got to convince half a state.
That's right.
And Texas was concerned because of Beto.
You know, here's this.
He's running for governor.
Oh, how interesting.
Yeah.
So he's probably going to get tons of money nationally.
And it's going to be another face I have to see every single day until he loses.
That's right.
What a guy.
I'm not a violent person, but I mean, I would like, I would never do this.
So this is not an incitement or a threat.
Okay.
But I would really love to just smack him in the mouth.
Like, like whenever I see him.
And I don't have this reaction with like every Democrat, you know, whatever, whatever, whatever.
When I see him for some reason, and I think it might have been like the famous, heck yeah, I'm going to take your AR-15.
It was like, as soon as he said that, I was like, I'm going to smack you in the face.
Yeah, that's right.
All no cattle, right?
Is that how that saying goes in Texas?
I don't know, man.
I'm from Illinois.
We had the same exact upbringing.
Yeah.
Nashville was moving to the big city, dude.
It was.
It was huge.
We finally made it.
There's a skyline that isn't a chilly place.
Are you still living in the same house you were at when I was in town?
Yeah.
I like that little house.
It's pretty neat.
Yeah.
So we're having fun, seeing what the future holds.
What's going on at Belmont University now that Dr. Fisher's retired?
Dr. Fisher's retired.
Greg Jones is in.
I've not had the pleasure of meeting him yet, but I think he's pretty good at, you know, so far, I like what I hear.
He has everybody, he's okay with folks calling him Greg.
He's personable.
He walks around without a tie on, you know, willing to get to know folks.
So so far, I mean, we're only a month in, not even.
But so far, I like what I'm hearing.
And a lot of the feedback I'm getting from students, faculty, board members, they really like what he's bringing to the table, too.
So I think Dr. Fisher served a really good purpose for building Belmont to where it is.
And I think Greg Jones is going to have the ability to let Belmont fill out and get comfortable in the identity of, okay, we're now a big player.
And Greg Jones also has a lot of experience raising big money.
And Belmont's endowment, while it's the strongest it's ever been, it needs to get stronger if we're going to, if we believe where the trends are for higher education.
Yeah.
Well, I think I agree with you.
I think Fisher was a wartime president.
You know, he came on in 2000 and it was the university was really in a vulnerable position.
And he turned it around and made it something for someone else to take care of.
That's right.
Not without some arrows and shot some arrows.
I mean, that's what happens in a war.
Speaking of, how does how I've been curious to know if you're in, I'm not really in touch with Belmont at all, but how has Belmont fared during as a small private Christian school during all this critical race theory bullshit that's going on nationwide?
Has it just dodged the bullet?
I mean, the student affairs department, when I was there, was atrocious, and I think they cleaned that out.
So maybe it's better.
That's a good question.
You know, the leadership from the top down, they're not going to allow that kind of pollution to happen from their perspective.
Now, it is a college, so you want that kind of discourse.
You want discourse to happen and you want differing opinions to be present.
And so I don't think they're shying away from it, but I haven't heard a whole lot about it, to be quite honest with you.
That's something to think about, actually.
I may need to reach out to some folks, just see what's going on, but I don't hasn't made any headlines.
Well, it's not a very diverse campus yet, either.
So, you know, there's a campaign of minorities that would be taking those issues personally.
That's right.
And when you look at the university, I mean, that's probably a good place to start.
Look at the makeup of the university.
I think it may be 60, 40 female male at this point.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was like one of the main reasons why I went.
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah.
I mean, it's great for that, you know.
And it's growing.
And it's a lot of the growth has happened too in the graduate programs, really big headline kind of things.
So I'm not sure how that plays to the other things.
Know they did the Bridges to Belmont program that Milton Johnson helped launch, which was to find folks from the Edge Hill neighborhood to find three black kids every year to go to Belmont and be in all the pictures.
Well, I think I know you're still connected.
I don't want to make you uncomfortable, but I'm totally liberated to say whatever I think.
Well, that's a cynical, it's a cynical spin, but you know, much truth lies in gest, right?
Yeah, I'm not mad about it.
You know, I'm plotting, whatever.
I went and spoke to a group of maybe it was 25 high school students from the Edge Hill neighborhood that were in a summer program.
This was a couple of years back, a summer program that was to prepare them for college life, Belmont or otherwise.
And so that all kind of stemmed from them putting the academic, not the academic, the athletic fields at the Rose Park Elementary School, if you recall.
And so we've got to be good neighbors.
You know, now you look around, and when I went to Belmont, there were girlfriends of mine who were being held at gunpoint in 12 South, and their house was being broken in June.
Now, that house that they lived in was purchased for $350,000, and two million-dollar houses were built in its place.
So the neighborhood has completely changed as well.
Yeah.
So I think there are a lot of good intentions that aren't necessarily thought through.
And I think that's everywhere.
But it's like, well, if we really want to solve problems, what's the actual, what's the problem?
You know, instead of the effects of the problem, let's dive a little deeper because solutions are always found closest to the problem.
And I think a lot of times Belmont and any organization wasn't getting close enough to the problem to create the real solution.
But it made for headlines and it made folks look good.
So I have a theory about why we've seen, I don't want to use the word decline because it's not a perfect word.
It's not exactly the right word.
But I'm going to use it just as a placeholder because it's close.
But why we've seen a decline in minority communities since the 70s in terms of nuclear family status, household income, crime, things of that nature.
And I think that all of our problems today with the racial tension that we have, with the poverty, with the income gap, I think they all go back to inflation.
Because I think what was happening was I think these minority communities in the 60s and the early 70s were struggling, but they were getting by, you know, sort of paycheck to paycheck.
And when we went off the gold standard and inflation skyrocketed in the 70s, I think that that put them over the edge where they had to start taking extra jobs.
Maybe they weren't home as often.
And then you start seeing kids aren't looked after as much because mom and dad are both working now.
And I think that, you know, there's never any one cause, but I think that inflation may have had a very significant impact on what we're seeing today in terms of all the tension that's going on.
And I think it's a ripple effect from some of those decisions that were made.
That's an interesting thought.
I've never thought of that.
It just clicked for me.
Yeah, I've always thought about the social programs that were put in place the decade before, you know, and how those, you know, became replacements.
You look at footage and interviews from the 60s, 70s, the civil rights movement.
They're protesting in suits.
I mean, they look great.
That's right.
They're sharp.
They're incredibly well-spoken, right?
Like these communities, right?
And, you know, to just put the images and the interviews from then and juxtapose to what you see now in terms of the riding over George Floyd and all that stuff that we saw this past year.
It's like a completely different society, right?
And it's only really one or two generations apart.
And the only explanation that could come up is like, why is it that this entire community is, you know, like they're staying married, they're having kids after they're married.
They're, you know, they're working.
They're poor, but they're not desperate.
And why is it this entire community within one generation seems to have been totally crippled?
And inflation was really the only thing I could think of as like a cause.
The other piece is when I see the folks out there, you know, taking to the streets for the cause, the biggest difference that I see is these aren't, you know, in the 60s, the conversations and the movement was led by leaders of the faith community.
And so is this idea of we're part of something bigger than ourselves.
We're here to create something that's fair for everyone.
Fast forward to today, it goes back to that critical race undertone, critical race theory undertone, which is we're just going to abolish everything because everything is inherently wrong.
And any institution in society is, if it exists, by definition, it's racist.
When everything's racist, nothing is racist.
And so we just attack everything.
And now it's just a big power grab.
So the goal now is to just grab as much power as possible to topple the system instead of, no, we have a righteous cause and we're going to be part of this community because we're all in this thing together.
That's kind of, that's the biggest difference.
But the economic, I mean, economics, when everybody, like I said earlier, when everybody's making money, problems go away.
The economics are huge because you also think of the systemic racism that did exist prior to us getting off the gold standard.
I mean, you have black families that couldn't even get loans to purchase homes.
I mean, this stuff was.
Yeah, I mean, it was terrible.
Right.
Right.
So it's like there were improvements.
In fact, black wealth and white wealth were on par with one another during the 50s and into the 60s.
And so you begin to scratch your head about that and try to figure it out.
But because maybe it was their first generation at the table, whenever the inflation hit, there was far less to go back on.
That's an interesting thought.
I'm going to have to think more about that.
Yeah, I need to look into it more in terms of the numbers too.
But I mean, if you're getting by paycheck to paycheck and then within a very short period of time, we're talking 36 months, you know, there's 10% inflation.
And we saw a double digit inflation in the 70s and your income's not going up.
So that could put you over the edge.
And if it happened on a massive, it would affect the most vulnerable first, the poorest first.
And everybody that had enough money to have assets or wealth in the market, you know, they would just appreciate what the inflation and kind of write it out.
So paycheck to paycheck people really got hit.
But one thing that I think is interesting when you look at the civil rights movement versus what's going on now is that there was this entire theme during the original civil rights movement that the system of America was good and the leaders in America were not fulfilling the promises made in the system by the Constitution.
And now it's inverted where all the politicians think that they're good and that the system's broken.
Right.
And that's one thing Jordan Peterson kind of mentioned that it's like, like, you can't really say that there's systemic racism in the United States because of all of the things that the system has done over the last 200, 300 years to eliminate racism.
Like it was in that, in my opinion, it was inevitable the day that the Constitution was ratified.
It was inevitable that slavery would become illegal in this country eventually because you just, it was, there was too much of a discrepancy between the principles of that document and this country and the culture behind it and the actual behavior that was going on in terms of slavery.
It was inevitable that that was going to come around.
And it was inevitable that the civil rights movement was eventually going to happen.
And there were bad actors along the way that got there were the Jim Crow people and there were the KKK.
There was some terrible shit that happened.
Don't get me wrong, but that was.
The Democrats in the South.
That wasn't the system.
That was the people, you know, basically violating the ideas the system upholds.
And so that's one of the things that really pisses me off about seeing statues getting torn down of Abraham Lincoln.
It's like, you know, there's no logic in it.
The system isn't the problem.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's no logic.
Why do you think that is, though, that like all of a sudden we have a generation that's totally antagonistic toward the system?
Do you think it has to do with just our leaders blowing it with like things like Vietnam and just ugliness?
Well, maybe.
I think of the millennials when millennials, you know, the millennial group, pretty big group, but they're now the largest group in the workforce.
So they're pretty relevant.
Boomers waited longer than anybody was expecting.
And some of them are still not retiring.
Gen Xers are getting skipped over Because the boomers are staying too long.
And the millennials don't want to wait long enough.
They don't want to be in a job for six years before getting a promotion.
I'll just go create my own company, you know?
So there's that fact.
Yeah, exactly.
There's that faction that's happening.
But to continue with the economic discussion, millennials were told they had to go to college in order to become an adult.
When our parents graduated high school, they were adults.
And then the question was: do you go in and work in a vocation?
Do you go to college?
What does that look like?
I'm the first to go to college.
I'm the first to go to college in my family.
So I come from a whole line of folks who graduated high school and adulthood was there, ready or not.
And it's time to provide, you know.
And I think a lot of America is that way.
Well, the millennials, you need to go to college.
It's the finishing school now for adulthood.
And so you graduate and now you're crippled with student loan debt.
Most people are crippled with student loan debt.
I think it's criminal what colleges can charge.
And you look at the trend.
It's unbelievable how that has gone.
The more the government pays, the higher the prices go.
Yeah.
And you look at folks that went to college in the 60s and 70s, even into the 80s, and some went to college for free.
You know, City College of New York for free.
Well, you used to be able to work part-time and pay your own way.
That's right.
When it was $300 a semester.
Yeah, there's no way you could pay for college now and working at a bar.
That's right.
That's right.
So inflation, to your point, has affected our generation.
And so when we graduated college, I was working in DC and I wanted to stay in DC, but I couldn't stay in D.C. on 26 grand a year when I had to pay $1,000 a month in rent and $1,200 a month in student loans.
It just couldn't happen.
So I had to look around to where I can make money.
Survival is the motivator.
And real estate, there were people that I didn't think were very smart, making a whole lot of money.
So I thought I'd fit in pretty well, you know.
But I was having to survive instead of going and buying a house and going and buying a car.
And we have an economy that is driven by consumerism.
But our group wasn't, we were not out buying.
We weren't getting married.
We weren't having kids.
That's all being delayed by a decade or so so that we can have our career, you know, whatever that needs to be.
And I think there's a lot of disappointment.
So fast forward a few years.
And now, okay, now's the time.
We've been out for a few years.
Maybe here we're going to do something.
And then the housing crisis happens.
They're like, wait a minute, you did what?
And we're saying this to the generations older than us.
You've screwed us over now that we can't even get a mortgage.
Great.
So we've delayed it that much more.
And I think folks are just, we're over it.
We're tired.
You know?
Yeah.
I think that's kind of, I think that's where we find ourselves with this generation.
I want to ask you.
You know, Eric, you went to Belmont.
It's a good school.
It's an expensive school.
It's got a good reputation.
Very.
While you were at Belmont, you, similar to me, you basically killed it.
You did awesome.
You ran for student body president.
You got elected.
You were hyper-involved.
You maximized the opportunities that that university provided beyond the minimum in order to go through the system.
Right.
And how, do you, do you feel like it was a waste of time?
Do you ever have that thought?
Yeah, I ask myself that a lot or have over the last decade.
It's been 10 years now since I graduated.
And I always come to know because, in O, no, because the relationships that I made while I was there.
And the reason I say no is because I was an active participant in determining what my outcome was going to be.
You know, I just didn't sit and allow the syllabi to tell me how I was going to spend my time.
You know, if your name was on a building and you were still alive, we were going to know each other.
Right.
And in Nashville, the same way.
So I think that's just a product of my upbringing and product of my personality and being that kind of person.
Have I used a college degree, you know, things from statistics to do that?
I don't know.
Like I said, I think the four-year undergrad experience is a finishing school for adulthood now.
So you can't, you know, so that's where I think it was valuable.
Could I have gotten that from, say, Ohio State from, or, you know, to use another private school, an SMU or whatnot?
Yes.
So I don't look back with regret.
I think I look back and think, okay, I'm glad I went to college.
One.
I'm glad it was Belmont on the timeline that it was.
Belmont was going through a lot of growth.
I was able to be engaged as a student because there was so much growth happening.
And we had university leaders that were open to student leaders being active participants.
So all that kind of played into enriching my experience.
But I also know of other folks that, you know, would have done it differently if they had a chance to do it over.
Yeah.
And I think for me, I was really, really lucky that my parents were in a position to just pay for my school.
Yeah.
And I think that I would have a much different feeling about it if I was paying student debt every month.
Yep.
You know, it's one of those things where, you know, I think college is an amazing thing.
I think it's an outstanding experience, especially if you're of the disposition that you can maximize your outcome.
But it is way overpriced.
100%.
And I don't, I mean, there are cheaper schools.
You can go to state schools.
You can go to less expensive schools, but even so, it's super overpriced.
And there is no guarantee of a job.
Even if you study something very versatile, like business administration, you're not guaranteed.
You're not going to get a job unless you hustle, right?
That's right.
You know, you really only, the degree, in my opinion, only matters if you want to be a lawyer or a doctor.
And then everything else is just how you hustle while you're in school and after, you know, I own an advertising business.
My bachelor's degree was in audio engineering with a minor in philosophy.
Yeah.
I never took an advertising class in my life.
Right, right.
But I totally value the experience I had.
And there were, you know, one or two classes that probably made the whole thing worth it.
Yep.
You know, and I look back and think.
That's right.
And I keep in touch with some of my professors.
I keep in touch.
I have a core group of friends.
I mean, that's that was my first kind of my oldest Nashville friends came from my time at Belmont and still having those folks in my life that that's great, you know.
So, but I think you're onto something.
And I think the trends, again, are being sped up.
COVID did this.
Do we really need to send?
I mean, people were suing universities because, wait, showing up to a Zoom call is not the same thing.
I don't think I'm going to continue to pay the tuition you thought I was going to pay.
Right.
And I think our generation as well, back to my point on the millennials, I don't know if you've seen this.
There are a lot of millennials retiring because what they've realized is the life that they thought they were pursuing and setting themselves up for, they don't want.
Yeah.
And a year of a pandemic is like, wait a minute, why was I waking up and leaving my family, leaving the people I love to go work with a group of people that maybe I don't necessarily like or I tolerate to do something that isn't fulfilling so that I maybe one day could.
I'm out.
I'll just work remotely and do something that I enjoy and retire today.
I think it goes back to the whole dichotomy between freedom and safety.
In my opinion, there's sort of two kinds of people in the world.
There's people that would prefer freedom and there's people that would prefer safety.
And there's a little bit of an inverse correlation, though.
I would argue you can't have one without the other, especially not safety without freedom.
I just totally lost my train of thought.
And it was going to be an outstanding point.
Well, we're talking about safety or freedom, safety or freedom from folks that are retiring.
So in our group, they're chasing freedom.
I do remember my point.
So, so, yeah, and I think that the reason people kind of get hung up on these, um, these, the jobs that are that sort of a drudge is because they take comfort in the security of it, right?
So people settle.
They say, you know what, I'm willing to be 70% as happy as I could be in order to make sure that I'm not 100% as unhappy as I possibly could be if I fail at doing anything else.
And I think It goes back to courage to just like you don't, especially if you're young and you don't have a family and you don't really need.
I mean, you can find a way to put food on the table and you can find a place to live bare minimum.
I mean, there are morons that do it.
And I think to myself, like, we have evolved for hundreds of thousands of years, millions of years before that, to survive.
We are the cream of the crop of all of humanity, right?
Despite how fucked up our culture is right now.
And you will figure out a way to survive because it's wired in you and your DNA knows how to stay away from a tiger, how to build shelter.
You might not think it does, but it's there.
And there's nothing, it's hardwired.
You are a survivor, and you just have to believe that in order to take the leap.
I don't know.
Maybe it's sort of a romantic feeling, but I like Tim Ferriss's view.
Many retirements every couple of years.
Yeah.
Well, I think this is not a novel or, you know, this isn't original for me, but I think a lot of times folks have to create controversy because they have it so easy.
It's such a soft world that we're living in because survival, I mean, even the folks that are the poorest among us are still, they still have a phone.
You go into any place where somebody's getting paid minimum wage, they'll pull out a thousand-dollar phone out of their pocket.
And so that's something to think about.
We take for granted how great capitalism has enabled the largest growth of wealth for the most amount of people.
And so while folks are sitting around in comfort, well, they may not call it comfort.
You know, there is something to be said about having to manufacture or come up with a reason of why they're oppressed.
Yeah.
And I think there might be a little bit of generational envy going on.
I don't know if you ever get this feeling, but it's like if you watch, you know, Saving Private Ryan or something, you're like, man, if only I could have fought at Normandy.
You know, like there's a lot of it.
You know, obviously it's terrible.
And like, no one wants to do that.
But my point is, I think our generation really wishes that we had a Vietnam to stand up against, a Nazi Germany to stand up against.
What's our defining moment?
Right.
And we haven't really had real problems other than internal domestic corruption.
And I think that people got a little antsy and weird and maybe feeling unfulfilled.
And I think that, you know, a lot of these 22-year-olds that you see throwing Molotov cocktails in the name of BLM, like it's a manifestation of wishing that they it's a manifestation of them psychologically needing to feel as if they're fighting for something important.
They need a cause.
A cause.
Yeah.
That's right.
I don't know.
I think there's a lot of truth to that.
So we need to give them a better cause.
And the better cause would be to make college affordable, you know, quit paying all these university presidents multiple millions of dollars a year.
Just little digital.
No, you know, if you can get it, get it.
But, you know, well, I think the solutions are kind of clear.
I just think that it's so politically painful to do them.
Like, look, obviously, all the government programs that pay for tuition have driven up the cost of tuition.
And no politician is ever going to withdraw those programs because they would get massacred by the mob for, you know, not caring about minorities that were using the, but it's like the programs cause the problem.
And so I'm worried that no leadership is going to be talented enough or courageous enough to do what needs to be done to solve these problems.
And that is just going to have to kind of fall on its ass.
Yep, that's right.
And the other piece of that is, even Biden comes out saying we're going to cancel all student loan debt.
And then, oh, just kidding.
Bait and switch.
We can't do it because too much is depending on all those payments.
We would take out a complete infrastructure.
Did he ever say that he was going to do it?
Did he actually say he was going to do it?
I don't.
I'm pretty sure he did.
I thought that Elizabeth, I know Elizabeth Warren did.
I'm not saying he didn't, but I know Warren did it.
Yeah, that's been a narrative from the left, but I just can't remember specifically whether or not Biden said it.
He's pretty.
I think he said something about it in one of the Democratic debates.
I recall watching something where people were doing the kind of the flip-flop, you know, where here's what he's saying now and here's what he said then.
Yeah.
Well, what they could do is they could just make it legal for you to declare bankruptcy on your student debt and they wouldn't even have to cancel it.
They could just let it watch out that way.
Yeah, I think that would be.
I think the problem was initially that there were kids going to Harvard on full debt and then the day they graduated, they were declaring bankruptcy.
And then seven years later, they were 27 years old and it wasn't on their credit report anymore.
They had no debt with a Harvard degree.
You know, that was what was happening.
And so they had to put a stop at it.
It was a pretty good strategy.
Smart.
Yeah.
Leave it to the Harvard grad.
I know, right?
But I don't want to keep you from your family.
I know that it's late.
Thank you so much for coming on.
Where can people find you?
Very good to catch up.
Yeah.
Anywhere podcasts are streamed, you can find the Eric Deem Show or on the socials at Eric Deem Show.
Awesome, man.
Well, it's really good to see you.
You look great.
I haven't met your wife.
Say hi to her for me.
I'll do it.
I hope you guys are doing as awesome as you sound.
And let's not let it go so long before we're in touch again.
Yes.
Likewise, that sounds good.
Okay, man.
Take care.
All right.
See you, Jace.
Bye.
See ya.
I started this podcast because it occurred to me that there was a concerted effort to shame America and what it means to be American.
When I asked myself, what can I do about this?
It's really hard because I'm not a political action committee.
I don't have a tremendous amount of followers.
I certainly didn't when I started.
I am one American.
One American podcast reinforces the values and ideals of America.
It reinforces Americanism by having conversations with key influencers of all sorts of different backgrounds, beliefs, but with one thing in common, the belief in America and that America is inherently good.
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