Robby Starbuck, Entrepreneurship, John Cena & America | Marc Lobliner | One American Podcast #6
Chase Geiser is joined by Marc Lobliner. Marc is the creator of Outright Bar, Chief Marketing Officer for TigerFitness.com, Owner of MTS Nutrition, an Ambrosia Partner, a Pro Bodybuilder, a Husband and a Father.
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He was there shaking hands, and I didn't realize he's like he's like 10 feet tall.
We choose to go to the moon and this decay and do the other thing, not because they are easy, but because they are hard.
Mr. Gorbachev teared down this wall.
A date which will live in inflammator.
I still have a dream.
Good night and good luck.
Good night and good luck.
Good to see you, man.
Uh, nice seeing you as well, brother.
Nice seeing you as well.
Thanks so much for uh agreeing to hop on with me.
I really appreciate it.
That sounds like a good time.
Yeah, absolutely.
So uh sorry I'm not jacked, man.
I grew up with a bleeding disorder, so I'm not uh able to work out.
I grew up with a gains disorder, so I just make gains constantly.
It's if for for me, for me, it's it's my therapy, it's it's a hobby.
So it's uh it's kind of like you know, some guys like to golf, you know, some guys like to bowl.
I like to lift and box and do stuff like that.
So for me, it's uh it's a it's a it's it's just a way to it's just a hobby, you know what I mean?
Like it's nothing uh, it's nothing like I'm not not a profession.
I don't compete, I've never made money professionally.
I've I've been a pro, but I've never made money at it.
So it's not like it's my job.
I just I enjoy lifting stuff, I enjoy training.
It's kind of it's kind of my thing.
How long have you been into it for?
Well, I mean, I started training for uh weight training for high school football when I was 13, and uh because I needed to put on size to actually play.
So, you know, I um I just kind of ran with it.
I really enjoyed it, I enjoyed the process, I enjoyed the results.
I enjoyed the fact that it was mine to earn, right?
Like if you if you play a team sport, and that's why I have my kids all play individual and team sports.
If you play a team sport, you can always put it on someone else why something happened, right?
Like, oh, they scored a goal.
Well, the the midfielder, you know, broke midfield broke down, which led them to the defensive back, right?
Or the keeper can blame the defender and football, you know, the running back can blame the offensive line, the offensive line, the guard can blame the tackle.
You know, but in individual sports, like boxing and wrestling and even bodybuilding to a degree, obviously, it's more genetically um predetermined how much muscle you can gain as like a combat sport per se.
Uh in in individual sports, it's it's you, and that's why I believe that for children when you're raising them, you know.
I have a rule, I don't care if you're the worst kid on the field, you need to play an individual sport, um, preferably a combat sport, and you need to have a team sport in your um, you know, in in your daily or your weekly schedule.
So our kids, you know, they all play soccer, and our boys box, our daughter used to box, but now she wrestles for her school.
So that teaches them on so many levels, areas of humanity that are just being lost.
You know, team sports are quite um, you know, team team sports are applicable to all areas of life.
Always tell people like what I learned in school is nothing compared to what I learned being a team captain in football.
And with boxing, you know, it's you versus that other person.
And when you're in business, you know, and you're competing for shelf space, like I have the outright bar.
You know how many bars there are?
There's fucking hundreds, thousands, yet I'm fighting for 10 spots at quick trip.
So it's it it's it's a metaphor for life, and that's why sports and it also keeps them healthy, keeps from being obese.
You know, there's a lot of positives.
So I always say, like, people like watch send your kids private school.
I'm like, well, my daughter's soccer team won state, she has a ring as a freshman.
You know, I don't give a shit about academics.
I really don't.
At the end of the day, I went to a public school.
I'll put my intellect and ability to debate and ability to you know go toe-to-toe with some really intellectual people with PhDs.
I'll put that any day of the week.
I'll debate anybody on any topic I'm proficient in.
I'm not gonna, you know, I'm not gonna go up a Neil Tyson de Grassi about astrophysics, but I'm gonna go up and I'll I'll debate his ass all day long about what he said about the fucking vaccine, you know, because both of us, both of us have no bit, like he has as much business, he has less business.
He's an astrophysicist, a fucking genius.
When the fuck like I've been doing health and fitness for fucking 20 plus years, 20 plus years.
I started the health and fitness industry.
I was 17 working in gyms at 19, I was actively working within the sport nutrition industry.
You're gonna tell, like, you're he's a smart motherfucker.
Nobody he's probably one of the smartest men on earth, but just because you're smart at one thing doesn't mean you're not stupid in another thing.
That's like saying that because he's a fucking astrophysicist, Neil Tyson de Grassi could beat me in a boxing match or a bodybuilding stage.
Like, just because you're really good at one thing doesn't mean you're like, okay, Bill Gates, the guy fucking operating systems, great.
Fucking, I'm not, dude.
I'm not gonna hate on Bill Gates, like oh, there's viruses, dude.
Fucking Windows is a beast.
Right?
He built a multi-billion allowing him to be a tyrannical little fat bitch right now.
But why the fuck am I light up all the farmland of the country?
He does he look like a farmer to you, like why am I gonna listen to a fucking estrogenic man with fucking man tits and a and a fucking flabby belly wearing a fucking sweater vest?
Why am I allowed to curse?
Yeah, you're allowed to curse.
Why you're gonna have to do this?
No, why am I gonna why am I gonna listen to this fucking pile of shit about health?
I'm sorry, dude.
I'm one of those like I don't believe anybody should hire a fat trainer, and I'm not gonna fucking listen to a guy who doesn't even have a call.
Oh, well, you gotta listen to the educated people like Falsey has a PhD.
Bill Gates didn't even graduate fucking college.
I'm listening to this motherfucker.
Sure, I have a degree from a shitty college, it doesn't do anything for me.
But technically speaking, I'm more fucking educated than Bill fucking gates.
That doesn't mean he's not fucking amazing.
Bill Gates is the dude.
Like, I like Bill Gates for what he fucking does.
He develops operating systems, right?
Like, and that's good.
And I do care.
Like, he like Bill Gates has no right to speak on on uh international matters.
Yeah, he does.
Everybody does.
That's what America's great is that you can go and social media allowed for idiots like me to fucking go toe to toe with Congress people and fucking dude.
I got in a tweeted Twitter debate with Pierce Morgan, like the guys I've been watching it on TV.
Like that that's the world, like and we have freedom of speech.
So I can I can talk about shit that I have no right to talk about or no, I'm sorry, I have a right, I have no business talking about because we have the freedom of thought, and sometimes stupid thought is the answer.
Like, think about bodybuilding, dude.
I'm sorry, I'm going on a rant.
No, think about bodybuilding, right?
Like all the shit we know works now, like volume training and high intent.
That was steroids fucking they they said that steroids didn't fucking work.
They did, I didn't know that.
Oh, seriously, for the up until like 2000, they were adamant that steroids didn't work.
I shouldn't have listened to him, bro.
I'm living proof.
Uh dude, I'm like, they fucking work.
Um, but but on volume training, like Arnold didn't have science to show him that doing all the shit he did, right?
Because he was so groundbreaking.
Um, and he's like one of the first guys in the yeah, so in any field, be it sport nutrition, be it um bodybuilding, be it just health and wellness, like and a lot of things like ancient Chinese medicine and ancient tribal medicine are a lot of the herbs that we know work for blood glucose support for all this stuff.
It's because people use it, like you know.
Like, did you think the Native Americans knew that smoking this leaf will make you high as fuck?
You know, no, they tried it, and then they're like, shit.
Now we have studies on THC and its effectiveness.
So for people to say there's no science to back it, every scientific fact starts with anecdote.
So sometimes it's just about trying shit, and I know that's off the beaten path, but that's that's where I sit.
Is that look, man?
I'm I'm a man of science.
Like, I don't say if you read any of my books from diet books to to supplement articles, they all have references and footnotes.
But the thing is, I can type in the most thing on Google Scholar PubMed.
I could type in like shoes make you shorter, and there'll be a study to somewhat back it up.
So remember that that's true.
People thinking shoes to studies.
What what degree level do you have?
Man, ask I have a I have a bachelor's degree in audio engineering with a minor in philosophy.
So I'm okay.
That's almost as good, almost as good as my wife's minor in women's studies.
Like, I tell you what, man, it's it's ironic, but the philosophy degrees come much more in handy handy than that than the audio degree.
Well, I mean, philosophy is phenomenal.
The appeal to pity and everything, like sales is yeah, sales and uh logic, just just the the the understanding the understanding the logical fallacies.
Well, I mean, what you were just talking about was the ad hominem uh it was the ad hominem fallacy, which is listen, just because somebody's there's there's an appeal to authority fallacy and there's an ad hominem fallacy, and they're they're they're inverse to the same thing, right?
So the appeal authority fallacy is hey, just because an expert says something doesn't you know doesn't mean that it's true.
And the ad hominem fallacy is look, just because someone is a shitty person doesn't mean they're wrong, right?
So it's like you hate Trump, but it doesn't mean he was wrong about Wuhan lab being the source of the virus, right?
Just because he's Trump doesn't mean that he's wrong.
I fit in a weird box because I I really I'll call anybody on anything because we're not perfect.
Um, I just believe in the better of two.
And and I think that we need to like, for example, I'm a diet coach.
I coach people, um, it's I want to ask you, I don't want to interrupt you, but what I want to ask you, what do you think about the keto diet?
I think keto's a great strategy for some.
Um, for performance athletes, I think it's severely lacking.
Power lifters can get away with it because power lifting is utilized, you're doing fucking three reps.
You don't really need much glucose there.
But for like for people who need to recover and perform, I think it's it's not um not the best diet.
I think it can work.
Um, if you're a distance runner, I think keto's great.
Um, distance running, marathoning, um, being able to tap into the fat stores is is a great source of energy.
Um, however, for most people, it's not something they can adhere to long term because toast is delicious.
Um, I like people to have more of a balanced diet, and also keto inevitably, and there's a reason why the term net carb came about.
It's, I believe, and correct me if I'm wrong, somebody, but Jeffrey Voleck, who did the original VLCD, very low carbohydrate diet, um, Volex's a genius.
Uh, he had clients or subjects, whatever, and they wouldn't eat vegetables because of the carb content.
But Volek was like, well, you need vegetables, they're healthy.
Well, you know, they're not really net carbs.
And of course, the supplement industry ran away with it, bastardized it and make people fat and shit because they lied about it.
But at the end of the day, I think keto can be a great diet strategy.
I do believe it has great implications.
Um, there's research that's being done by uh Dr. Dom over at uh in in Florida.
Um, I believe it's USF or UCF, one of the SFs, one of the Floridas, like something Florida man.
And uh, but he's doing some great research on cancer cell replication and keto.
Uh there's great.
Tim Ferris has a lot of has a lot of guests that have come on, uh, where that have suggested that keto is a good treatment for early onset cancer, not necessarily the only treatment, but a good you know, good thing to try.
Well, I mean, cancer does feed off of glucose, but there's there's arguments, there's other pathways for it to feed off again.
The data is still like we need years, years and years more data to really come to any kind of uh not not there's no conclusion in science.
I just tweeted that this morning.
Um, I tweeted that last night.
Um, science is they they keep doing studies because there's never the answer, there's answers.
That's why when when um when they say follow the science, or when the when Fausty used the word proved, that's when I knew it was full of shit.
No scientist I know, and I'm going to the ISSN conference in a week.
No scientist I know will use the word proofs.
They say indicates leads us to believe, but it's supposed to be a legal, it's supposed to be a legal term, not a scientific term, really.
Yeah, exactly.
So I'm I'm against anybody you any scientist who uses the word proofs or follow the science, really doesn't have any idea how science fucking works.
And this coming from someone with a bachelor's degree and a shitty one at that.
So, you know, I'm I'm gonna say, you know, for for keto, going back to keto, I like it for a large segment of the population.
However, I do not feel that uh most people can adhere to it.
For fuck's sakes, we're over 70% obese uh overweight in this country.
We can't even put the fucking twinkie down.
So if we can't put the twinkie down, we're definitely not gonna be able to put the fucking, we're not gonna be able to put the carbohydrate down.
So, like I mentioned earlier, I'm a uh type A hemophiliac, so my blood doesn't clot.
Uh, so I my joints are really prone to hemorrhage, and that's why I can't I can't do a lot of exercises.
And I I was I went from 180 to 147, I'm 6'2 um on keto in four months.
So keto's appealing to me because I can't really exercise to lose weight.
So if I get chubby, I just cut all the carbs and the flight falls right off.
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, you're cutting off 33% of the available macronutrients.
A third of you have carbohydrate fat and you have um protein.
Yeah.
Um, so the thing about carbon low carbohydrate diet or VLCDs or ketogenic diets is you don't fucking need carbs.
You just don't.
Um at the end of the day, there are essential essential proteins, essential amino acids, essential fatty acids.
There's no such thing as essential carbohydrate because your body can derive carbohydrate from protein via a process known as glucaneogenesis, where your body converts protein to glucose in the liver.
And then there's also ketones, which has the ketogenic diets named after, where if your body is lacking in both protein and carbohydrate, it goes to fat, and then it converts fat to energy via a process known as ketosis.
So you don't need carbohydrate.
However, I will say if you're a performer, if you're someone who likes performing like me, um, if I went ketogenic, I wouldn't be able to box and weight train in the same day.
I would, but it would be very fucking bad, even worse than I do now.
And I'm pretty fucking bad um at boxing.
So I mean, but I wouldn't be able to perform the way I do now.
I will not be able to run the run around like I do.
I wouldn't be able to do what I do.
Um, so it just depends.
But for a majority of the population, if you can stick to a ketogenic diet, it's pretty fucking good.
And I really like ketogenic diets for their health benefits.
I like them for controlling blood glucose.
Um, talking about another population to get benefit from it, uh, people at risk for type two diabetes.
Um, but at the end of the day, people who are exercising regularly and people who are eating whole healthier foods, and I'm gonna healthy is a very, very, very fucking great term.
Um, because you might consider rice to be unhealthy, right?
I might consider cake to be unhealthy, someone else might consider bacon to be unhealthy.
A vegan might consider all meat to be unhealthy because they're crazy.
Did you hear the Joe Rogan episode with uh the CEO of Whole Foods?
So they really got into it about whether or not meat was healthy.
I I didn't.
I didn't, and I watched it.
That's a good episode.
I've been on a I've been so busy lately that I haven't been able to keep up with my Rogan fix.
Yeah, so um, I usually when I used to drive a lot, I used to just listen to it on the road to keep me awake.
But generally speaking, I listen to the clips because there's a lot, his podcast like fucking three hours long, and I ain't got time for that.
I know a lot of people I'm very selective about the guests too that I listen to.
Yeah, it's it's uh it's confirmation bias.
We listen to people we want to hear.
Yeah, it's true.
That's true.
But I still I still listen to people I disagree with, but they gotta be they gotta be good guests.
Like I don't follow MMA at all, so I just skip those episodes personally.
Those are the ones I watch.
Sure.
Um, I'm I love fighting.
Um, I love violence.
Violence is great.
Um, but yeah, I I I love the ketogenic diet for a lot of applications.
I truly do.
Um, I don't currently use it, but I've always said this if I ever retire and stop training is hard, which I don't see that happening, but I would move to a ketogenic diet.
Um, I like the longevity benefits.
I like the fact that it has such great anti-inflammatory properties.
People gotta realize that gluten gluten sensitivity is bullshit, like that whole gluten intolerance thing.
Like the people who literally came up with that literally said, our bad, that shit ain't true.
Yeah, people are still running around with it.
Oh gluten, no, you're either fucking celiac or you're not bitch.
Now, here's what happens gluten is comprised of amino acids that your body just can't fucking digest.
So you're you're having issues with inflammation and other things that are simply because you're eating a highly indigestible food.
Now, for some people, it's it's not an issue.
I can eat a certain amount of, for example, for me, I can eat my morning toast.
I always eat toast in the morning because that's fucking murka right there.
Eggs and toast.
You don't need eggs and toast, you're a fucking communist.
I'm sorry.
I can't, I can't fucking eggs and toast.
I know that's a British thing, but like we beat their ass in 1776.
So we are the right, we earn the right every fucking day, eggs over easy and toast.
We should change the English muffins to American muffins.
No, just fucking, I mean, what are they gonna do?
What are they gonna fucking do about it?
Like they're still on lockdown.
Like are they really?
I didn't even know that.
Jesus, bro, they they just had a huge they of course the media doesn't cover it.
They just had a huge rally in London.
Like I'm talking tens of thousands of people without mass, like fuck this shit.
And um, God bless them.
Like, you know, at the end of the day, we're a bunch of angry British people, you know.
Like British people have the capability, like all the British people with fucking nuts came over here in the 1700s.
But like there's still some stragglers who like came along.
Like, like Zubies, Zubies, one of them.
Like, um, but he's a he's uh he's he's actually Nigerian.
But he like there's there's their zobies out there, and I love the UK.
And I want to say something about the UK that might isn't said enough.
The females in the UK have the greatest asses on the planet.
I've never been, so I don't know for sure.
You gotta go to a fist.
So I went to uh body power every year up until of course, fucking the plague hit.
And I was walking around and like my my business partners like we have a we we look, man.
I'm married, monogamous, all that shit, right?
But I I can appreciate a physique.
Oh, yeah, you can look at it, just don't touch, right?
I look at men's asses, like I'm a bodybuilder, like it's the one sport, it's the one sport I can watch people compete, say that guy has a great ass, and nobody thinks I'm remembered dumb and dumber.
Whoa, we can take a look at that.
Yeah, he must work.
He must work.
I mean, I'm serious.
I've been at so many shows where I'm like, it's like, man, look at that guy's glutes.
I'm like, you didn't find that the least bit gay.
Okay, fine, whatever.
I mean, I'm good with it.
Um, but yeah, but I had no idea.
So we went to body, I just noticed like two years ago.
I'm there with um, they're my partner Mike and Sean, and we're like, we're looking on like, are you noticing like they're built like centaurs out here?
Centaur is a mythical creature.
Were you at like bodybuilding conventions though?
Because oh, yeah, these are different spectrum, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, but we we would see it at like restaurants too.
Like the tight, I don't know if they're just wearing really good like pants, but there was it was it was but but anyway, back to back to like um what we were talking about uh outside of the UK, but yeah, the UK is it's a beautiful place.
Um, the weather's terrible, but really nice people, and unfortunately, you know, America has this like fuck you, Merca.
A lot of us do, well, not as many, but a lot of us do like just leave me alone.
Like, I live in a community in Tennessee, Brentwood, Tennessee, where we just want to be left alone, like we we vote and then we just want to be left alone.
And I think that in the UK, like America will put up with anything for a year, and I said this in 2020.
Like, in about a year, people are gonna be like, I don't give a fuck if I die of this thing.
Like, I just want to be left alone.
I don't want to wear a mask.
And it came true because around the year mark is when people, despite Biden winning presidency, and despite whatever happened, I think Americans, even Democrats, a lot of them, not the crazies you see on Twitter, which I'm convinced is 25 to 50 percent bots.
Um, I I honestly think that people like, dude, we just gotta like let loose.
Like, we just gotta let loose.
We just gotta we gotta live, we gotta figure this out.
And then the people who believe in that is why I love the vaccine.
Um, because people who they they really think this thing makes them into fucking Thor, like they're immortal.
Like, so I'm like, cool, you do you.
Um you know, my whole thing is if we would have listened to the idiots to the meatheads, we would have had a handful of deaths because it comes and and the guy they they banned him, Zev Zelenko, Dr. Zev, up in uh up in New York, uh, a Jewish doctor has the fucking yamaka and everything.
I remember him.
I remember him.
There's a really good um uh Texas doctor too that they just had a that just did a like an hour and 47-minute interview about how um uh the government may or may not have covered up a lot of um very legitimate therapeutics in order to get emergency use status for the vaccine because apparently you can't get emergency use status for um uh some the vaccines if there's alternative therapeutics for for COVID,
so like a lot of the ivermectone stuff and the hydro hydroxy coruquin stuff may have been pushed down in order to justify um getting emergency use status for the vaccines.
I'm not really seeing the thing is with every with every sub look.
So my my goal is I have to work within a system, right?
For example, Canada banned vitamin K back in the 90s.
Why just because you can overdose on it?
Because they're fucking stupid.
That's the only uh, but you could overdose on everything.
I can take I could take seven Tylenol and fucking go into liver failure right now.
Um at the end of the day, like NAC was just banned by the FDA, they've tried to Do it before, and it's not because it's dangerous, it's because it had a drug use patent, I believe, by a pharmaceutical company.
A lot of this has to do with old patents that were abandoned or just not followed through upon.
So the NAC thing, I can see the FDA having grounds.
Now I don't agree with it, but if you go by the legal process as someone who owns intellectual property patents and trademarks, I can understand because it takes a lot of money to put this.
So if the pharmaceutical company is like shit, NAC is growing, we got this.
Then they have no choice legally but to ban NAC.
Do I like it?
No.
Do I understand?
Yeah.
So as a guy who creates products to help people live long and healthy lives.
I have to work within a given system.
Like you ever watched the show McGyver when you were a kid, like dude would like, he's fucking like he's on a cliff and he needs electricity, and somehow he fucking gets a spark with bubblegum.
You know, that's me.
So as soon as NAC gets blocked, first thing I do is I call all my friends who are smarter than me because I'm dumb compared to a lot of people.
And I talk and I'm researching and I'm fucking Googling and Google Scholar and PubMed digging through my old notes, and I find out that hey, whey protein actually converts to glutathione better than NAC.
And then we look at we have a couple products we need to replace NAC, and we're like, hey, there's an artichoke extract that does really well at converting to glutathione, which is the end goal of what you want from NAC.
So boom, we're able to reformulate, and I'm able to go and do a video, not selling anything saying, hey guys, here's what we need to do.
I was shadow banned on YouTube for simply mentioning vitamin D in April of 2020.
Before we even called it COVID, I basically, and that wasn't that was based on me again, a fucking dumb meat head who gets punched in the face weekly and fucking lifts weights daily.
And you know, at the end of the day, I was like, hmm, well, um, vitamin D has been proven to be better than the flu shot most years.
Yeah, you're looking at over 10%.
And yeah, that's the tragedy of it because not telling people about vitamin D, they decided to push masks instead of vitamin D. The tragedy of it is that vitamin D is such an awesome solution for all sorts of other health problems, too.
So it's not just this, it's not this myopic solution for COVID.
It's like, listen, if we just educate people to get their vitamin D up, they're gonna be generally healthier forever.
85% of hospitalizations at the peak of COVID in New York were vitamin D deficient.
People don't get enough sunlight, and then they tell us to stay indoors and get less sunlight.
And then they all they had to do.
If on day one Trump came out, you know, God Trump, which somehow these simps are following him.
This guy's, I'm sorry, Trump's a fucking idiot.
I'm just I'm not I'm not down with Trump anymore.
I voted for him, I'll vote for him again if he runs against the right person.
But I'm over this guy.
Like after what he did to Snowden and Assange, I'm like, ah, I really wanted him to pardon those guys, especially at the end of the day, Trump's one of them, man.
Like everybody's like Trump's one of us.
I'm like, the dude's a fucking billionaire.
He's not one of us.
He's never lived life like a normal American.
He has no idea what it's like to be American, like like we do.
You know what I mean?
Like grinding.
Right.
I did it.
I appreciated the fact that he was a populist, though.
He was the only popular populist candidate that was like, listen, America first, and I think he meant it, regardless of whether or not he knows what it's like to you know, take a shit on a porcelain toilet.
Evolved in gold.
What's really crazy is, you know, I I look at what came about, and I think I I honestly think America's in the best spot it's ever been.
I'm very bullish about my country.
Like, remember, we came out in the 1930s.
We literally threw all yellow people in internment camps.
And no, not just Japanese.
Do you really think a fucking old white guy who's rounding people up can tell the difference between a Japanese person and a Korean person?
They threw everybody, everybody who was Asian looking into camps.
America's in the best position it's ever been in.
And I'm very excited about the future of our country.
I am because I don't fucking get my information from Twitter.
I'm out there, man.
I've traveled during the pandemic, I traveled over 20 states, did events.
I was just, I sent a joke.
We did a full packed event in July on July 20th last year.
Did you get COVID?
Oh, of course.
It's not gonna affect it, doesn't affect anybody.
What was anybody like nothing?
I don't even know I had it.
So you're just getting tested and they caught it.
Um, antibodies.
Oh, got it, got it.
Yeah, but basically, like um, my my uh my colleague who sits across from me right now, Matt, he had it in the height of New York.
He that it was before they could get testing.
So he literally worked like for two weeks.
And there's a healthy young dude whose work at that time he was working construction.
He worked every single day because he couldn't get a call back from the North.
He lived in New York City.
He couldn't get a call back from the New York Health Department.
So what's he gonna do?
He's like, I gotta get work done.
And he had COVID.
You know, it's like my wife lost her taste for like uh two hours.
And the thing is, it's what I was getting at before is it's it's about controlling viral replication.
So we can't use HCQ because for some reason they they they which is stupid.
Um so what acts has the same mechanism mechanism of action as HCQ, and there are a lot of supplements that do, and two are EGCG and quercetin.
And the the thing they have in common with HCQ is alone, they really don't do much of anything.
Like you can take HCQ.
There, the data shows HCQ does nothing, it doesn't do shit on its own.
What it is is an ionophore, it allows for antiviral replication supplements like zinc, vitamin C, etc.
etc.
to pass through the cell membrane, and that is what presents the antiviral properties of it.
So while HCQ and I yeah, HQ doesn't work, you're fucking right.
Yes, nobody's saying it's part of this, it's part of the solution if you if you supplement it.
Well, unless you're like you know, a Trump supporter who Trump says HCQ and they go and take a gallon of it, you know, and they don't and they don't they don't they don't actually research what to take and listen to people.
But Dr. Zelenko um independently had this.
I looked at his protocol after, and I have timestamps, all these videos are on my YouTube channel, YouTube.com/slash tiger fitness.
Um, all these videos are up there.
Look at March, April, and May of 2020.
It's all there.
And I remember in like July, I saw this Zlanko guy, and his protocol was the same as mine, except he made it better because he's obviously smarter than me, a lot smarter than me, and he has a fucking yarmika, um, which makes him just look smarter than me.
And the hair, the fucking the thinking cat.
Yeah, and um, but this motherfucker was recommending HCQ or quercetin, vitamin C, vitamin D, zinc, and then he threw in, I believe melatonin and uh heartburn medication.
So um the uh pepsid AC because it would keep it from getting into your lungs from your stomach, is I honestly didn't look into why the I'm guessing I'm guessing if you have an acidic, like if you're acidic in the throat area, I'm guessing that can um I again I'm I'm making this up, so yeah, I don't know either.
Yeah, yeah, you fact shit out there.
Yeah, I mean back checking.
No, no, I don't fact check that leave that to the audience.
Yeah, I'm I'm sure Zelenko, I'm sure Zev looked into that shit.
And again, this guy's a genius, and he treated the hundreds of thousands of people with COVID, not one death, not one long haul COVID.
And now we found out the long haul COVID is actually from the spike pro the spike protein and not the actual virus.
Oh, because of the uh clotting that it causes.
So I'm just reading about different things like cytokine storms and and different things that I've literally spent my entire career trying to prevent as a supplement manufacturer.
And people look at supplement manufacturers and snake oil salesmen, and a lot of them are that doesn't mean all of them are you're absolutely correct, dude.
I hate my industry.
I fucking wake up every morning and have to take a shower because I'm in this place.
But at the end of the day, at the end of the day, there was a big debate in the 2010s, and it was it was on YouTube that multivitamins are worthless.
And if there's anything I think that 2020 showed us is multivitamins and vitamins in general are not worthless if applied correctly for the right thing, like obviously I'm I'm not I'm not gonna tell everybody to use A and D ointment on their asshole unless they have hemorrhoids, right?
Like it won't do anything, it'll just make you have a smoother asshole, but you know, you're still whatever.
But if you have hemorrhoids, you put A and D ointment on it, it's probably gonna make them better.
So my whole thing is with vitamins, you have to have a reason why you're applying that treatment, like any medication.
Like, you don't just bindly blindly tell people to take a pharmaceutical good and vitamins are the same way, however, there are some daily vitamins that could benefit most everybody.
Now, there will be somebody who has a vitamin D, um uh too much vitamin D. I've seen that.
It can happen.
You can get vitamin D toxicity.
So those people who are like on Twitter, I take 50,000 IUs a day.
I'm like, that's kind of dumb.
Uh, you know, so what happens if you overdo it.
Well, I mean, vitamin D toxicity is like any kind of toxicity.
I'd imagine lethargy and um potential liver damage.
Um, because you're looking at your body, like any time you're over processing things, and that's why alcohol and you know, oral steroids are so detrimental, because your liver has to process all that stuff.
So your liver processes everything from the air you breathe to the water you drink, it it's your body's purification system.
So I'd imagine if you overdose on anything, like you look at why Tylenol can kill you, it's because of hepatitoxicity, um, which is liver toxicity, happa liver.
So that's do you avoid Tylenol at all costs, or will you use it in a pinch?
Uh, I don't I try not to use NCIDS, I try not to use any pain medicine.
When I had my surgeries, um, my abdominal surgery, I didn't take one painkiller, which sucked, but my mom's an addict, so I don't fuck with anything that I get addicted to.
And uh generally speaking, um sorry about your mom, by the way.
Yeah, you know, it it taught me a lot.
Um, but you just have a hit hip surgery or something, and one thing led to another.
That's a that's a that's a really really deep story that can go on, but I'll I'll delve there for two minutes.
So my mom served in the IDF, the Israeli defense force, saw a lot of shit, killed a lot of people, did a lot of bad things or good things, whichever side you're on, depends who's listening.
For my Palestinian friends, she did a lot of bad things for my Jewish friends, a lot of good things.
So I'm gonna skate the fence there.
I don't I don't opine on that issue right now.
But um I've got my my firearm instructors coming in tomorrow, and he was an Israeli sniper.
Uh yeah, and she was in yeah, she was a paratrooper.
Um, so she um you know, she she had injuries from there, she had PTSD, obviously, which everybody gets.
They don't talk about it a lot, but Israel's always in combat, they're always killing somebody.
And um, so you know, she came back, injuries from that, got in a car accident, you know, and then like the doctors it's all docked.
Honestly, I blame the doctors more than anybody.
Um, because they just gave her like, you know, they they'd give her oxy like fucking candy, and then when that well ran dry, it oxy wasn't enough, so she had to go upstreet, you know, and that's kind of how it happens.
I actually I know a lot of people are in that situation where and it's the big pharma.
Oh, well, you gotta trust Pfizer and I'm like, dude, these are the people who literally ran ad campaigns that that oxy was not addicted.
Well, and not a lot of people know this, but in the 80s, because the hemophilia medicine is intravenous, and uh you have to basically you have to inject the uh a synthetic version of the factor eight protein in order for your blood to clot.
And in the 80s, it was made from uh blood donors, and they didn't they knew and they didn't tell anybody that there was hepatitis and AIDS and all the medicine and 10,000 hemophilia X died of AIDS in the 80s because uh they were injecting AIDS from their medicine, and the pharmaceutical companies wouldn't tell them, and that's why I'm like, don't just trust pharma because it says something you gotta wait it out a little bit, get a little data.
Uh data, like it's like I never I never thought in my life, I never thought that for saying, Hey guys, I just want to see more science, you're anti vats.
I'm like, what are you talking about?
My kids are all vaccinated, I'm vaccinated.
I like that, I don't like getting polio.
You know what I mean?
But this is like my fear, and I have a huge fear, and I'm reading the adverse events.
You went from 15 deaths on average a year from from vaccines to 3,000 after a couple months of using this stuff.
That's not a sign.
That's fascinating.
Dude, it is.
Um, so my I got vaccinated just because I didn't think COVID was thrilling enough.
I'm I did J. It was like my protest vaccine.
It's like I'll get a vaccine, but I'm gonna get the one you guys fucking hate.
Well, I mean, you know, if there's any I'm gonna get it, it's gonna be a denovirus because we've used that carrier for so many different vaccines.
That's our vaccine carrier, right?
You know, um my thing is if you want to get it, get it.
You know, I don't like it.
Yeah, I agree, I agree.
It's your body, your choice, right?
Yeah, I if somebody looks like, well, the people without the vaccine are gonna die, let them fucking die.
I'm like, let me die.
Fucking let me die.
Like that should be my choice.
If you have the vaccine, and then they say, well, it's not 100% effective, so you're still violating the rights.
It's like, well, if they're if you don't think they're 100% effective, then you're aren't you kind of an anti-vaxxer?
Like I'm just like, I mean, it's a clown world because the argument makes no sense no matter like the way you said it doesn't make sense.
The other way doesn't make sense.
Right.
So I'm just I'm one of those where look, I and I've said this like so many times.
It's like I believe for certain populations, it's fucking great.
Yeah, you know, I believe for certain populations it's a great thing for other populations, young people, it it presents more risk than the actual virus.
And you know, and and I'm reading about vaccine shedding, and I it might all be bullshit.
That's the thing is that people don't really when I say vaccine shedding, it's like oh Trump, like whoa, whoa, Trump never said that shit.
Like, well, you're obviously a Trump vote.
People people know no realize that Trump is responsible for the vaccines even existing.
So you can't you can't say that Trump is anti-vaxxed.
I mean, the dude made did operation warp speed and made it possible for us to have these vaccines.
If you if you want to really rile up the Trump people to hate you, which I try to do at least once every other day, um, because it's fucking hilarious.
You gotta say, because they you it it it's funny because the Trump people are the ones who are more hesitant on the vax and just say, Hey, it's because of Trump.
We have these vaccines, and Trump actually started the lockdowns, and they will go.
No, we didn't.
I'm like, Yeah, he did.
I was there.
I watched the press conference.
Well, he's he certainly didn't stop them.
No, and he you know he initiated.
He told every state to shut down for 15 days, right?
Which inevitably led to 18 months.
I'm not saying that he meant for it to be 18 months, I'm saying that by hook or by crook, that dude started the shit.
He did a lot of things I don't think he would have done had it not been an election year.
Uh, you know, I think he was he was very cautious on the he was really worried about blood on his hands right before a major vote.
I'll tell you what though, man.
I I fucking it was the most enjoyable three years of entertainment that I've ever seen in my life.
What did he I still have some of his tweets bookmarked?
There's just some of the shit that he said was my favorite moment to this day is when uh he was in that debate with Megan Kelly, and Megan Kelly asked him about the things he said about women, and he goes, Only Rosie O'Donnell.
No, you know what?
That was funny, but the best was his tweet on Kim Jong-un calling him old.
Yeah, Kim Jong-un called me old.
Well, I would never call him short and fat.
He did the same thing with Rand Paul.
He's like, You're always making fun of my appearance.
I never do that to you, and believe me, I have plenty of material.
The one the no the red button one, literally, I think the red button one stopped North Korea.
He's like Kim Jong-un keeps talking about his red button.
He said, Well, I got one too, and mine's bigger than yours.
And I'm like, he's fucking like he said he said shit that you and I would say on this podcast, right?
Like he said, just and he's the fucking most powerful man in the free world, or well, his title is the most powerful.
I don't really think the president does as much as a lot of people think they do.
Military speaking, he was the most powerful.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I I mean, but I look at I look at the US and I look at what will prove to me that that the president doesn't have power is Whitmer and Newsom and Cuomo because Trump's like, we're gonna do this, like nah, we're good.
And they just they were like federalism bitch, and now it's kind of turning it's turning the other way.
It's kind of it's it's it taught me a lot because I never voted in local elections before these last local elections.
I never I always just voted for the president.
I was gonna vote for Starbuck for Congress.
Oh, absolutely.
Hell yeah.
I'm still I'm stumping for Starbucks, man.
I had him at the uh Rumble in the Borough, man.
He was there shaking hands, and I didn't realize he's like he's like 10 feet tall.
Yeah, I I was uh I sent him a tweet the other day or a week ago, I was teasing him for uh having the um oh what's his face?
Uh the ponytail martial arts dude from the 80s.
Uh I can't remember his name.
Uh the movie guy, you know, that had the yeah, I guess like he's like everybody's scared of me.
And I was like, it's this it's the Stephen Segal ponytail, man.
Everybody knows what happens when they mess that.
Yeah, but he he came by, shook hands.
I'm like, Do you want to speak?
He's like, No, I'm good.
It was kind of like there's a lot going on.
There was lifting, there was boxing, it was crazy.
So he um he just went around, shook hands and introduced himself.
And he's gonna win Cooper's a hard guy to beat.
He's running in district five, man.
That's uh that's pretty liberal district, but I I don't uh you know social media uh Trump won because of Twitter, you know.
That's all I gotta say.
That was on a national scale.
It's hard to say.
Um it's hard to say.
He has to um man, you're you're going out, you're going up against a big machine, you know.
You're going Up against a big machine, and this guy he's running against as crooked as they come.
So absolutely, absolutely.
I think I think 99% of the politicians are crooked.
I think McConnell's crooked.
There's no way he got 80% of the vote with a five percent approval rate.
Um, I absolutely I absolutely think that a lot of these guys on both sides are crooked, and I don't think that elections are fair from a local to a federal level.
And you know, that's something that I don't think we can fix.
What we can do is fix local, like local, local, statewide.
I mean, look, dude, you had like here's the thing, like Illinois.
Uh, up until I grew up in Illinois, yeah, I'm sorry.
Um, I'm glad you got out.
Um, I did.
So did I?
So we had we had Ronner, like we had a straight up Republican governor, he couldn't get anything done because of legislature.
But that makes me realize if a if a blue state like Illinois or Maryland can elect a Republican, and yet it's supposedly X percent Democrat.
And these guys are just they're they're not special Republicans, right?
Like they're not, they're not like doing anything different.
It shows me that either people aren't going to vote in the other elections or something weird's going on.
Yeah you know what I mean.
Like, why?
How the hell did how did how did Cooper?
I think it didn't Cooper win in in North Carolina.
Uh North Carolina's not purple.
I've been there, it's it's red as fuck, other than like Charlotte and Chapel Hill.
So like I'll look at these and I'm like, there's no way it goes from 70% Democrat to Ronner winning to him losing again.
Something's going on with the counts or the numbers or something.
But think about it.
Like, and I have no proof.
I'm just fucking spitballing.
But how do you have such a drastic shift?
Like Ronner was ugly, couldn't speak, like he wasn't like Trump, like Trump, you either loved him or hated him.
But if you love him, like these people will take a they will fucking Bruno Marks and fucking jump on a grenade for his ass, right?
Like Mars.
That's I'm so old, bro.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
What who the fuck would do that?
Like, I wouldn't do that for my wife.
There's a grenade, bitch.
You better run.
Um I jump, I ain't jumping on that grenade.
Shit.
You've lived a good life.
All everybody for himself.
Our marriage has always been very explosive.
Very nice.
Very well played.
But like, can I think there's anybody who can explain how, like, and I'm going back to the Ronner election.
Like, I remember when he won.
And I'm like, how?
Like, how did like he wasn't like I can like Starbucks a good looking dude?
Like, I can imagine him winning and fucking shaking things up, right?
You know, in our democrat district, because he'll bring out the people who normally were like, I'm not voting, it's just gonna go liberal anyway.
And and he's like, he's good looking, he's tall, he stands for something, he's got the Cuban thing going for him.
Like, he's the guy, right?
But Ronner was fucking looked like his face went through a cheese grater, like he was fucking weird, he talked funny, and yet he got like he won by a good like seven seven points, and he crushed it, and there's no explanation.
Then you had Cooper or whatever his name.
I think it's Cooper winning in North Carolina after some fucking oh, well, it was because the tranny bathrooms.
I'm like, I don't think that's big enough.
I don't think most people care.
You know, I think if anything, most people don't want them from what I from my personal experience to I I've never met, and I speak.
If you go to any of the events I go to, it's not a bunch of rich white people from Brentwood.
Like I'm usually one of the minority at every event I go through.
In fact, politically, most of my friends and people I hang, they're apolitical, they don't give a fuck.
Right.
So, and most people are like, dude, I don't think dude should be using chicks' bathrooms.
And that's just that's just and that's not necessarily my opinion.
Yeah, although it kind of the thing with me is I don't I think that was a huge democrat strategy to constantly frame the conversation around that issue because when push comes to shove, nobody's gonna die on that hill.
Like nobody's like, my number one issue is what who uses what public bathroom.
Like that was a distraction.
It's like democrats didn't want to talk about tax increases, so they just frame the conversation around who who goes to what bathroom.
Uh penises, okay.
There we go.
Right, right.
Like, I mean, like everything now, math is racist.
I give up on life.
Like, I'm like, uh I look around and I'm like, I'm looking at like, but it's stuff that normal mayor, like my neighbors and I don't go, hey, so algebra, racist as fuck.
You know, it's like nobody does that.
Like, that's just a social media and political like talking point.
But the talking point doesn't come up in real life, like, not even in local politics.
Like, you know, and like critical race theory.
I don't know about enough about critical race theory to really opine.
Um, other than talking points on both sides.
But I will say it doesn't make sense on the other side on the side that wants it.
Like, I'm like, why are we even what why why why do we have race theory at all?
Like, why don't we just fucking go on and like get along?
Like, you know, I'm Rodney King, man.
Can't we all just get along?
Like, who gives a fuck?
I don't like at the end of the day, man.
There's no country in this world in this land in anywhere that that has a clean slate.
Like I said, in the fucking 40s and 30, we we threw Asians in internment camps.
Like every country, every culture has been fucked over in some way.
The Irish, the Polish, everybody, except the British.
Well, we we we really took him to town in the revolution.
Yeah, but that was it.
Other than that, they were fucking people up for centuries.
Like they were horrible people.
We need to just go take that bitch over.
And the royal family, can someone fucking tell me what the fuck the royal family is all about?
Well, they own like I think the queen owns like uh 20% of all the land in the world.
Fuck that bitch.
I mean, what what do they do?
She's pretty hot, though.
I just fuck it with you.
You know, those friends you said yourself, they get great asses.
Well, post-menopause, you you can't get her pregnant.
Um that's a positive.
I I don't know, dude.
I don't understand the royal family.
Like, I don't understand the fascination.
Like, I don't understand like why we give a fuck about this Prince Harry guy and his is his uh his his leftist chick.
Like, I don't even know why they're you know, I think it's got a lot in America.
I think it's got a lot to do with Disney, man.
I think a lot of people grow up and the whole prince and princess thing is just ingrained as like this majestic thing, and it is.
I mean, it's regal, literally, it's regal.
So I think people like to follow it because it's like the you know, it's this I never thought of it like that.
That's cool.
I am I I think I'm done with Disney though.
I went there it's hard though, man.
I love this, I love the old stuff.
I have a daughter that just got born in a that was just born in uh uh January.
It's like, man, I wanted to grow up and I wanted to watch Sleeping Beauty and Snow White and have that experience.
Going to Disney World during mask frenzy was horrible.
That changed my Florida because oh my god, it was so bad.
They were like, if that shit, like we were literally off the path.
Like I was with Brandon Curry and his family, and we stand out a little bit.
We're both he's he's Mr. Olympia.
Um, nobody and like we're we're like, we we went off to the side and we're like trying to figure out what to eat for lunch, and we took off, put our masks down, and they literally went out of their way.
And I'm like, bro, I'm like, we're not within like fucking 40 feet of somebody, like we're like 10 yards.
You got tackled by this.
Nah, just just some fucking Karen chick who worked at the park.
But it was weird because nobody was laughing.
That's another like I walked into Costco, and now you don't have to wear masks in Costco.
And um, it's a different vibe.
Like, I'm talking to people, people are laughing and smiling, like masks dehumanized us for a whole year for no reason.
I I'm not you can't I'm I'm convinced more than ever, like I'm like, man, I hope these things don't work because I'm gonna look really stupid.
And turns out they work even less than I thought they worked.
So I I feel really smart.
Yeah, yeah.
The only the reason I was I wore mine, uh, is just because um I didn't want to make anybody feel uncomfortable.
Oh, I'm all about making people feel uncomfortable.
It's kind of my thing.
Yeah, I mean, I've been doing it since I've been doing it since like the 80s.
Like it's all good.
Like, I I mean, you know, I was that uh one guy, uh healthy, even my kids like in school, like my daughter gets hemoplegic migraines, and I was like, Um, no, we're not doing the masks, and they were cool, like our district was like, yeah, okay.
And then my other kids, since it can be genetic, they're like, I'm like, I want to need help this up.
My kids wore masks for a little bit, but even in school, like they were the kids without masks, and um, then the other kids figured out you do the health exemption, so then half the school didn't have masks.
So I'm I had my own little I think so like how many how many under 18-year-olds actually died from the virus this year?
I mean like two, like a handful, right?
Like two, like less than would die.
I mean, you're more like my my good friend, I'll if you're under 18, you're definitely more likely to die from the flu.
Oh, absolutely.
I know that the flu's a bitch.
The flu, I I've known people who've died Of flu, you know, when I was a kid.
The flu's a fucking bitch.
I think the flu is the underrated MVP of viruses.
Well, and when you think about the sickest you've ever been, oftentimes it's the flu.
Like I think about when I was a kid with a bottle of seven up, just like all day, you know.
When I first moved to North Carolina, it was the last time I got the flu, I was 26.
And I remember sitting in bed, and I remember I wanted so bad to get I had to get work done.
I just started salvation and I was just like, I had work to do.
And I couldn't, and I'm a like, I'm one of those guys who like if I I'll run a marathon, it'll be a horrible job, but I will drag my fat ass over that finish line.
I couldn't get out of bed, no matter how, and I was like, let's do it.
I was getting hyped up in my head, my fucking body wouldn't move.
And I'm a healthy 26-year-old athlete, right?
Like, dude, the flu is a bitch.
And I think the one thing COVID taught me, if anything, well, other than the whole like tyranny thing, is like, fuck, dude, the flu is a whore.
Like, we need to really, really, really pay attention to the flu.
Like, I know even when my kids got it, like I never thought twice.
Yeah, fuck it, give them some Tamil flu, he'll be good tomorrow.
And then I'm like, ah, you know, kids, kids get the flu, and I'm like, get the fuck up, you're fine.
You know, now I'm like, uh, yeah, maybe I was wrong about it.
I was totally wrong about the flu.
So I claim I wasn't wrong.
I've been right all along about COVID, 100%.
The flu wrong.
I was wrong about that thing.
The flu is a bitch.
Like, I ain't even mad like the flu scares the shit out of me.
Yeah.
Well, it's kills it kills.
I mean, I average it does it kills over 50,000 people a year in the United States, except for nobody died from it last year.
Two people and like you cured the flu.
Well, that's because of masks.
But what about COVID?
Ah, different things.
I'm like, but they're both okay.
No, no, no, no, no, you just marked flu deaths as COVID deaths.
That's that's what happened.
Well, my opinion.
I I wouldn't be here's the thing though.
Do we know?
And this is me being me.
Do we know if the flu death the flu was also with COVID?
Like, so if you're if a virus penetrates your cells, wouldn't that make it more susceptible to other infection?
I don't know, but I would think so.
But I don't know.
I would think that if your immune system is working on fighting one infection, it's more vulnerable to others.
That's what I would think, but I don't know.
What if, like, what if the flu or COVID interchange them came in and was like, haha, I got in, and then COVID's like, ah, I'm gonna sneak right in here, and then you got two viruses, and they just tested for one.
Well, think about it like this, man.
Virtually obviously we know that the most vulnerable portion of the population for COVID is the elderly population, right?
And in my opinion, the lifestyle for elderly people in the United States didn't really change that much the last year, right?
Like maybe maybe the healthcare providers in the nursing homes changed some protocols, but those people are are primarily sitting in their apartment or their retirement community living space, right?
Anyway, and so it doesn't make sense to me that you could explain away uh the flu as is not occurring in our society last year by saying that it was it was you know, people wearing masks and people isolating us.
It's like, you know what?
The population that normally dies from the flu is also the population that normally dies from COVID, and their lifestyle wasn't really that different this year.
So you'd think that you'd see the same similar flu numbers, maybe a little bit lower, but except Florida.
I think the old people got out more, and I think that can explain their their rate.
Like it's sunny, people were active, they didn't partake other than like the first two months in any lockdown activities.
Um, they were out and about doing their thing, and especially in southwest Florida.
So I can argue that if you look at the the active elderly population, they actually had a pretty good fucking year.
I mean, if you look at Florida and other warmer climates, so you know, like I always say, like I'm a proponent of in the winter, I'm a proponent, one of the few of indoor tanning for those who live in the Midwest.
Just because the vitamin D. Well, the thing is, not only like here's not only does your body get vitamin D, it gets two other isomers of vitamin D, including vitamin D, I believe sulfate, um, from actual sun exposure that it doesn't get from supplementation.
So there's certain isomers or um different factions of vitamin D that you get from sun or UV exposure that you do not get from supplementation.
So supplementation isn't always the complete answer.
It's part of the answer, but to get the full spectrum of what your body needs, you definitely should have some sun exposure.
And that's where I like you, and even if it's once a week for four minutes, you know, out of on a fucking 20 minute bed, just some UV lights, some sun exposure just to get those nutrients in your cell.
And that's why I think you have such bad, like I've never heard of a flu season just shutting down Florida.
I just haven't.
Yeah, my school, my kids' school in Tennessee, which gets colder and cloudier in the winter than Florida, they had to shut down this is a month like two weeks before COVID hit.
They had to shut down for two days to clean the school down because of flu outbreak.
So I do think it's seasonal.
And I do think that it has a lot to do with sunlight.
People don't understand the power of UV rays and the power of the body and the mind and everything.
And when you live in the Midwest or one of these Northeast states, and that could be a lot of people are like, they they compare the rates in Texas and Florida to Michigan and New York.
And while I love it to dunk on the Covid idiots, I don't think it's I don't think it's not fair if you're living in a sunny state, right?
I just think that if you live in a sunny state like Tennessee and Florida and Texas, all the states that did well, despite we never had a mask mandate in Tennessee.
While I do like pointing it out because it's fun and it looks like we're winning, at the end of the day, I could also explain that as devil's advocate to the fact that, well, there's sunlight, but then again, these are the same people who argue for lockdowns, which would take away your sunlight and close down gyms.
So, you know, either way we win.
Either way, the argument for Tennessee, Florida, and Texas staying open, either way, it's a winning argument because the same side that is from those areas that claim that lockdowns work.
They're also basically encouraging people to not get natural sunlight.
And so, so yeah, the argument works either way.
But if I want to play devil's advocate, if I was on the other side, I would point to that, but then I'd also have to admit that lockdowns are wrong.
So well, I wonder if the I wonder if the tanning beds can help at all with um like seasonal effective disorder.
Because I I remember when I was in when I grew up in Illinois, it was like every winter.
I was just it was just drudge, like psychologically speaking, because there's just overcast every single day.
It was like purgatory.
So I did look into this.
There's very little data to no data, and the data on it does not suggest, again, I'm using the word suggest, not proof.
Sure.
Thank you, Fausy, you fucking idiot.
Um, so it's it does not suggest at all that indoor tanning will affect seasonal affective disorders SAD.
However, anecdotally, it does.
Anecdote 100% when I come out of a when I come out during the winter, I'll go once, twice a week.
And if it's a 10-minute bet, I'll do four minutes.
I don't go the full time because I I do believe that there's it's it's dose and duration, right?
Like skin cancer is real, and if you tan a lot, it's it's gonna it's gonna put you at a a higher higher um risk risk, exactly.
That's I want I'm a fucking one-syllable word getting understood.
It puts you, yeah, I know it puts you at a higher risk for skin cancer, melanomas and this and that.
Um, so I like so what are the benefits?
What is the minimum effective dose?
What is the MAD?
What is the minimum effective dose to get the benefits?
And for me, it's around 40 to 50% of the total tan time for one to two times a week.
And for me, it not only makes it so I'm not translucent because I'm a very white individual, but it also makes it so which I'm vain and I I like looking a certain way.
I'm not gonna deny my narcissism.
Um, but it also in my personal personal unscientifically founded anecdotal evidence.
I want to state that very clearly.
It does help me with my mood, or at least it placebo my moods, you know, it makes me feel better.
Uh, that's just me, because in the winter, even if it's sunny out, I'm covered.
Like the thing is people like, oh, I got sunlight, but you're wearing a fucking puffy jacket, right?
Like you got to go outside and you're nude, you got to be as naked as possible, go out by the pool, put you out, put on your fucking speedo and get some sunlight, you know, just be like a European.
And that's the best of way you got to do it.
Um, I I believe I don't know which one it's uh one, not not the dirt, obviously not the dermatologist but i believe they recommend 15 minutes a couple times a week of exposed or unno tanning lotion and shit sunlight exposure i can't remember who recommends it yeah it's one of the heard that you can get your your your vitamin D for just 15 minutes in the sunlight which is funny that people struggle to do it because well well there's an app for that too we were at Disney and um Brandon Curry he's he's black but
he paid they're also health freaks even though he's a 280 pound bodybuilder they're health freaks and he has an app because black people have harder time absorbing vitamin D. There's an app and I don't know what it's called but you probably searching in the app store that tells you based on your sunlight where you're at it taps into your location oh that's cool libertarians will hate that um and and it'll and it tells you how much vitamin D you're producing and I thought it was profound because Brandon's like you know you
you don't expect this he's like man i gotta get more sunlight and i'm looking i'm like you're black you know he's like nope nope he's like but you know it's not aesthetic it's it's about the vitamins well well dark skin dark hued people like from sephardic jews to africans um need to get more sunlight because melanin is a natural
defense so that's that's the thing and so you need to pay attention to that the darker the skin the more vitamin d and sunlight you need because your melanin or your skin is a natural protector of your body makes sense so what do you think is going to happen in 2022 well i mean it's it's historical usually and there there are some cases where it doesn't like look at trump house and senate usually goes the opposition
because you go the first two years and there's enough dissent on the other side where america always wants that what what they always want the alternative you know it's a pendulum you know you went from Carter to Reagan to Bush to Clinton to Bush to Obama to Trump.
Right.
Joe Rogan's got a great bit about that.
Yeah.
So, I mean, you always want the alternative and the grass is always greener.
My opinion, what I think will happen, assuming they fix what might be voting irregularities, I'm saying that very cautiously because I don't want to be accused.
And I do say this.
I don't I think Biden won the election.
And this is me speaking.
I think Biden won.
I just don't think he had 81 million votes.
I don't think.
just lost you okay I I don't I don't know if Biden got 81 million votes but I I do I do believe that enough people hated Trump to vote against him.
Yeah and I'm kind of witty on that I don't I don't know about voter fraud I don't I tend and maybe it's just because I'm naive and optimistic and I don't want it to be true but I tend to think that the election there wasn't there wasn't significant cheating but it was incredibly cheap the way that they won by changing the voter protocols only harvesting votes from democratic areas that kind of that kind of oh no no yeah yeah I think I think the votes are legit I think the way they got them fucked.
yeah i think they were hard but but you know what it's here it's done whatever we survived carter we survived fdr we will survive joe biden and and i think we're in a better place to survive it than we've ever been i think america is better than it's ever been and as someone who coaches kids um dude the next generation like the the the teams right now dude they're gonna be amazing these kids are some fucking based as fuck they're awesome they're hard workers well you can't bullshit them no they they've seen it all and
they have the internet they have the internet if they haven't they can do their own research like we used to have just listened to cnn i i i was a fucking communist in high school my fucking my econ teacher my econ teacher in high school culver city high school in fucking california showed us a fucking michael moore movie oh my god that she was but i mean that was she didn't know any better she because she was raised on the same shit we were now you turn
shit on you got your podcast you got me and alan screaming about not being fat you got you got fucking joe rogan smoking fucking mushrooms or whatever you do with mushrooms like look dude I I do think 2022 is Going to be a Republican landslide.
Um, and I don't think there's gonna be, and also so many states have passed the the the voter fraud or voter harvesting or whatever I think, yeah.
Yeah, I think that that's not gonna be a non-issue.
I don't think Trump's gonna move in August via military coup.
Um that's fucking Republicans are crazy.
Um I I think we're gonna see two years of nothing because Biden is gonna be clashing with a Senate and a house.
And I think you might see something really good.
And that remember, um, I think the best presidency of my lifetime, and I'm about to piss a lot of people off, was Clinton.
And I'm gonna tell you why.
We had welfare reform, we had some stupid wars going on, like Mogadishu and the better blowjobs and no jobs.
And then so Clinton was on a fucking island.
He had nothing.
He had to work with Gingrich and the Republicans.
We got more done, and and people get mad when I mention Clinton in a positive light, you know, the Epstein thing.
And look, man, that it appears they all let's just assume they all fuck little boys.
Okay, it is what it is.
I mean, Trump had Trump was fucking has pictures of Epstein, and like if I showed you a picture of Epstein with one guy, you'll show me a picture of Epstein with another guy.
Although the the fucking picture of Clinton and the dress is weird, but like, dude, I used to have a picture of dogs playing poker in my house.
It was weird too.
Yeah, so yeah, I know that picture who knows.
Maybe Epstein just thought it was funny and he got it in an auction.
We don't know the backstory to that.
Like, I'm not gonna.
Well, it's amazing, too.
It's not photographs, so yeah, exactly.
It's weird.
Um, it's weird.
So I think we're gonna see just like we do every two years, every time there's a midterm election, we're gonna see a republic, a Republican bloodbath, they're gonna retake the house, retake the Senate.
Um, and I think we're gonna go through either two years of awesome or two years of nothing.
And either way, it's better than two years of the Democratic agenda, in my opinion.
Well, the Democratic agenda, if you look at it, it's it's pretty simple.
Um it benefits them, it benefits the elite, it benefits the rich, but it also takes advantage of the naivety of the poor and not realizing what's going on.
Like, does the word so for people like me, and I'm assuming you who've done okay in life, we're gonna be fine.
We own property, you know, and that's the thing is that if you own property, your property is gonna increase in value.
Um, the stock market's at what 34 stock markets can be fine because Democrats are the party of Wall Street, they just party of inflation.
So every time the the currency inflates assets appreciate and asset appreciation helps us, right?
So it is what it is.
Like, I I want what's best for the country.
Like I can sit here and I even said I said this, I'm like, dude, if I was being a jerk, I would be pro-lockdown.
I own an internet company and a grocery company.
Like I crushed it during the lockdowns.
I'm anti-lockdown, I'm pro-freedom because I want what's best for my country.
Um, but I would have voted for Biden if I was selfish, because Biden in office does nothing but help people in the position I am.
Now, small business owners, you better vote Republican.
All right.
If you're in a startup business, you own a local bakery, you better vote Republicans.
If you're dirt poor, you should vote Republican because you if the currency's inflated and you don't have any assets in the market or any any uh resources in the market, then you're screwed because you just lose buying power.
And I actually I think that's what happened to the to the black community in America that put them over the edge from the nuclear family very Christian values to this crime-written situation that we're in now.
I think it was inflation in the 70s because when you when you're on the edge of getting by and your the value of everything you own drops 10 percent, that's when bad things start to happen in your community.
Yeah, and I I look at look, man.
I mean for me, like so.
I'm I'm a I'm a bed hedger, right?
Like I'm I'm a very conservative fiscally person where I have divested interests.
Now, I I believe I was talking to Alan about it yesterday, or I was talking, I could have just been talking to my neighbor because I talk a lot, as you could probably tell.
Um, I like talking and uh I like I like discussing things.
So when uh the dollar crack, I didn't see I didn't know in 2008, 2009 that there was uh an economic issue.
I had no idea.
I didn't watch the news, I was too focused on growing my business.
I had no Time for that shit.
I didn't, I didn't go on Twitter, I didn't go on Facebook, Instagram didn't exist.
I didn't have to all I did is I posted a daily blog where I just listed out my workout on bodybuilding forums.
That's all I did.
So I didn't know that the fucking housing market crashed.
I owned a house.
Like I owned a house and it was fine.
I'm like, whatever.
And I had no idea it crashed.
So what I did know is when the dollar crashed in 2009, 2010, it was on par with Australia.
It was one to one.
I think we're like, we're one to their two now, right?
So it was one to one.
That year, my company did, and this is I think we're in business 2004.
This is about 2009.
This is four let's say five, five, six years in business, right?
We did six million dollars in Australia, and we were barely doing eight million here.
Like we weren't quite a 20 million dollar company.
So what I'm saying, if the dollar crashes, I'm gonna just sell shit overseas, right?
Like, so for people like me, you can always shift and you could always pivot.
But if I'm selling donuts and people run out of fucking money to buy donuts, I'm fucked.
So people who own multinational corporations, like internet based.
Internet based is great.
We're fucking great.
It doesn't matter.
Who it hurts is my employees, and that pisses me off.
Who it hurts are my my retail partners, and that pisses me off.
And that's why I've seen so many of my friends go out of business last year due to the lockdown.
So many good people who spent their lives building up these locations, and I'm pissed off.
And I'm not gonna sit here and be like, Oh, I made mine.
Oh, you should have pivoted.
Dude, people don't know any better.
Well, if you own a restaurant, you can't really pivot, can you?
Like you you can do take out, but it's not like it's not like you can just start selling stuff to Australia if you run a restaurant, like you just got fucked.
Some some people, some restaurant owners have were so smart.
God, I learned so much.
Like I saw this, I'm like, dude, there's a there's a way in that the worst thing you can do is just rely on Grubhub and Uber Eats because they take like so.
We're on Grubhub with Tiger Fitness locally in Loveland, Ohio.
Bro, they I don't know how people do it.
Like they take 70% of your fucking earnings.
They take 70 points.
Amazon doesn't even do that.
I need to I need to show you, I'll send you the contract.
It was fucking ridiculous.
And I'm like disgusting.
We're selling whatever.
We're like, we we do like fucking two orders a week.
Nobody uses that shit for tiger fitness.com, right?
So I'm like, dude, I'm like, I refuse to use it.
Like my wife would be like, Well, pull up on grub.
I'm like, bits, no, we I'm calling the restaurant.
Yeah, I'm go, I'm going there.
Like, we go to core life eatery out here in Kava.
And like, I will not use, I will, and and usually the websites for local businesses are garbage, and calling it is a pain in the ass, but it's either they make two dollars or they make 20.
Yeah, and I'm gonna make sure they get every dime, and I'm gonna make sure I tip the shit out of them, even if the food sucks.
Okay, that's so there were businesses that had not only referral codes, if you refer to friend where you got money off.
So if they're giving, let's say a 20 voucher per referral, they're still making more money than if they sold on Uber Ease.
I saw there was my buddy Seth Conklin, who's actually was on Operation Dad Bot.
I took him under my wing.
We like he's lost like 70 pounds, killing it.
And uh, but he actually delivered beer in Michigan.
He was telling me about these restaurants that were crushing it, and I'm like, Well, how?
And he was telling me like, holy shit.
So there is a way there's oh American ingenuity is great.
What we're gonna see is a shake that shaking out and the cream will rise.
And we're basically seeing, I'd hate to say this word is cliche, but the great reset, in that the best business minds have made it.
The people who made it through lockdowns, their business.
Remember, my competitors at other internet sites and sell nutritional goods are down tremendously.
We're up.
So if you made it through, if you simply plateaued or survived, the next five to 10 years is gonna be complete.
It's gonna be a renaissance period.
I agree with you, as long as we don't get the shit tax out of us.
So that's another problem.
The retro retroactive taxes, and if I told you what I paid in taxes this year, it was it may be I moved from California to Texas last year, and it was because of the taxes.
Like, yeah, it's terrible.
And that's one thing that as a small business as a Business owner, you feel it differently than if you're an employee because when you're a small business owner, you write the check.
It's not automatically withheld.
It's you know, like that doesn't feel the same.
And in my opinion, the solution to hype to taxes is to eliminate automatic withdrawal and make people write the check every year, and then you'll see people go against taxes.
That's the problem.
My estimated taxes this year, it comes out of what I think I'm gonna make.
I don't have that money.
And also what people don't remember.
The first year, I think it was year three of Tiger Fitness MTS.
We we paid ourselves literally poverty money.
Like I like, like I'm talking like not even close to six figures.
Right.
My partner and I both had to individually pay because S-corps are based on inventory as well.
Right.
We had to pay 200k a piece, and we didn't even bring in 100K ourselves, not even close.
So we had to pay 400,000 in taxes on shit.
We didn't even sell people think that corporate tax hikes are only affect Amazon and Windows, but it's it's guys like us.
The vast majority of corporations have fewer than 10 employees.
And it's it's not like we're making millions.
I mean, sometimes we make millions on a good year, but the amount of time and money that we lose years, some years is just insane.
Cause I own an advertising business and it's the same way.
It's like I have good years, I got bad years.
Well last year was actually a good year, but it's it's the way I'm taxed, it's just so fucked, man.
I sold a business in 2011.
I blew through all the money starting this business.
Like people don't realize, like I took all that money and I didn't pay myself for the first couple.
People don't realize I didn't pay myself.
And my wife and I blew through all our savings.
We bet it all on black.
You know what I mean?
Black and red MTS.
You know, we bet it all on black.
And thank God I'm um, you know, I make things, you know.
I made out who who would have guessed, like I made this for my kids to enjoy between soccer games because there was no other snack that would fit the outright bar, and it became the number one bar in the industry.
I didn't know that would like we didn't know we'd be here.
We just were like shit, like yeah, well, and that's that's what I'm doing with this podcast, right?
I just fired this thing up 10 days ago, man.
And you've already had a viral thing, like you had that dude saying Tony Schaefer.
Yeah, he said the anything or uh he said that um uh Tony Schaefer told me that um uh bar called him.
Uh Bill Barr called him directly and told him to stop looking at investigating election fraud.
And so that it went viral.
Yeah, Tony Schaefer was um, he's a fascinating dude.
He uh first kind of came into the public eye because he came out with some intel about 9-11 after 9-11 happened, basically saying that the government knew who the terrorists were and they were they should have done more kind of proactively to prevent 9-11 than they did.
Uh, and that was kind of how he came into the public eye.
And then now he's um he owns like an intelligence consulting firm, I believe, called uh um what's it called?
London London Security, something like that.
I don't know.
It's it's in the description of the show.
Talk about talk about hitting a home run your first try.
I know that's what I'm saying is I'm I'm doing this podcast and I've committed to doing it for a year, no matter what.
Like I'm gonna do guests every week for a year and see what happens, but like I don't know how I don't have a business model for it.
I don't have like a plan for how it's gonna make money.
I don't know if it's gonna be Patreon down the road or if it's gonna be add revenue from YouTube down the road.
I don't know if I'm gonna get canceled for having people on.
I don't know what's gonna happen, but I that's that's the nature of entrepreneurship is you just you have to kind of trust your gut and hustle it and make sure you pivot as you go to figure out what's what's gonna make it work, you know what I mean?
Yeah, I mean, that's that's pretty much the nature of life, and that's what separate that's what an entrepreneur is, and that's why I know my limits to how big I could take companies.
I start things, I create things.
Um, my mind's always working.
And you know, I'm not gonna run 150 million dollar company because I'm not I'm not smart enough.
Not for that.
Like I'm a I'm a startup king, I'm good at startups.
I'm in fact, opinion like being able to say what you're good at is not a it's not a it's not a bad thing, it's knowing what you should focus on.
Yeah, I'm not trying to run, I'm not I'm not Jeff Pizos.
I don't need a trillion dollar brand.
I'm cool, I'll get what I need.
I just want my family to be able to have generational wealth, and I want my employees to be taken care of, and I want that's that's what I crave.
So I'm very focused on that.
That that's not it's not by any means being cocky.
That's being that's knowing what that's staying in your lane.
Like, I'm not saying I'm gonna run this multi-billion dollar.
No, I'm I'm an idiot.
I'm gonna start something, I'm gonna say stupid shit, and I'm gonna get out of it before I get too big that I get canceled.
So that's I can't play the politic game.
Like, you know, I was on a TV show with John Cena, and he's gotten he's become larger than life, where dude literally to save his career had to apologize in China.
And I'm not gonna do that.
You think that's why do you think that's why you did it?
Yeah, you said you mentioned that you knew him that he was the nicest guy ever.
Oh I love I love John.
Absolutely.
I mean, dude, here's the thing.
Everybody's able to say, looking in, here's what I would do.
Until you're in that situation, and John Cena, what he does doesn't just impact him, it impacts his staff.
It impacts all of his co-stars.
Yeah, I mean, it impacts all his movie sales, his royalties.
There's shit built into his contract, probably that he can't violate international.
Does the dude a Republican?
I don't think anybody who trains as hard as he does is a liberal.
I don't think The Rock, I think The Rock got paid very nicely for the Biden thing.
And I honestly think The Rock hated Trump.
Just like Mark Cuban.
Like you're telling Mark Cuban doesn't like Hillary.
He doesn't like Biden, but Trump is a piece of shit.
He just is.
And while I've certainly a hard pill to swallow for a lot of people.
I do think The Rock voted for Biden.
And I think a lot of people voted for Biden, who generally rock's a Republican.
Like The Rock is not a Democrat.
He's always been a Republican he spoke at the RNC.
Dude, Trump is that polarizing that he made people say, okay, no.
And that's why I'm like, look, dude, he did his thing.
He showed a populist can win.
Move on.
Get a guy who's like a DeSantis or someone who's not Trump, someone who look, man.
The Rock didn't win the presidency for Biden.
Certainly didn't help Trump.
Because a lot of people, a lot of people, dude, like I voted for Arnold when I lived in California.
I didn't even know what this fucking platform was.
I just knew that he was fucking Arnold Schwarzenegger.
I didn't even know he was a Republican, to be honest with you.
I just knew it was Arnold.
Right.
And that's but but most people are like I was in the 90s and the 2000s.
Like in the year, like I told you, I didn't know in 2008, 2009, as a business owner who owned a house that there was an economic crisis.
I had no idea.
I just knew that I went to work every day and I had shit to do.
Did you have a very did you have a fixed mortgage rate?
Yeah.
Oh, nice, nice.
See, I think the people that noticed were the ones that all of a sudden their mortgage got more expensive.
Well, we had a we had no, we bought our house in 200.
It was California.
Yeah.
So we had our downput.
We sold a house in California that was worth a lot more than we bought it for.
So we were able to kind of roll that in.
So I had a very good mortgage.
I had no idea that there was a crisis.
I lived in North Carolina at the time.
I didn't know.
I just went to work every day and that was it.
And I saw it.
Well, and that's that's that's something that I think is true of a lot of entrepreneurs is that they are hyper focused on what is within their circle of influence.
And that's part of why they're successful and productive because they don't worry about shit they can't control and they hyper focus on the things they can control, like what am I gonna do today?
Right.
And I think that's the same thing for bodybuilders, right?
Like you said that generally speaking, you know, bodybuilders, they may be apolitical, but if they were to lean one way or the other, it's probably conservative.
And I think it's because they believe in like what an individual can do to change their environment rather than relying on what the environment can do to change the experience of the individual.
Bodybuilders were never pro-mask.
We were never pro-vaccine.
Bodybuilders are like, I'll take care of my health, and fitness people in general, the fitness community, you know, the the real fitness community, you know, not the ones who are like, I'm not going to the gym because there's germs.
You know, the real fitness community understands that it's a personal responsibility thing.
Um, if you came to the rumble in the borough, it was probably 15% Caucasian.
Like the rest were just a mix of everything.
Everybody, and nobody wore masks, everybody hugged, everybody had a good time.
Fitness community is the most is the closest thing to a beautiful, you know, integrated, non-giving an F country.
Um, you know, the it's an amazing thing.
You go to an event like the Rumbling Burr, which we'll be having next year to benefit children's cancer.
Um, you know, that's why I love my industry, because it's misunderstood.
And if you look at the good, like we had these people, like we had four Mr. Olympias.
We had, you know, everybody come out, we didn't pay anybody.
Everybody came on on their own dime to raise money for charity.
And we're supposed to be the self-centered narcissists.
Like we had people take time out of their day, and these people don't have many weekends free because they're always doing events they get paid for, right?
And they came out for children's cancer.
Like that's that's what the fitness community is.
And it is it it's a lot of conservatives, regardless of skin tone, regardless of religion, regardless of anything, like it is a very, and when I say conservative, I say freedom.
Right, right.
Not necessarily GOP, but just freedom-oriented people.
I'm not a Republican.
I don't I don't identify as Republican either, even though I always vote for Republicans.
Well, any party that has Mitch McConnell as their leader, I don't want any part of turtle.
McConnell's dumpster, just a dumpster.
Just what a f and he's just like, I'm sorry, dude.
Like he's ugly.
I can't, I can't roll with people that ugly.
We're kind of what the Democrats were.
Well, I mean, you can't you can't really hate it.
Like, didn't you have like a stroke?
I can't really make it.
I don't know.
They've all had strokes, man.
They're geriatric.
Yeah, they're like 900 years old.
But yeah, that yeah, but yeah, man, I I appreciate this.
This is a great idea.
I really enjoyed having I really enjoyed having you on, man.
I don't want to take up any more of your time because I know that you're busy today, but but I appreciate you coming on, and um I'll certainly share this with you as soon as it's done being edited later today.
Yeah, man, I appreciate it.
And um, yeah, anything you need, brother, just hit me up.
All right, man.
Likewise, take care, dude.
You as well, sir.
Take care.
All right, bye.
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