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Oct. 10, 2025 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin
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Some Blunt Truths About the Immigration Debate

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At the moment, the mainstream of British politics is having conversations about our conversations.
They never invite us to partake in the conversations they have about our conversations.
And so they can never really properly understand what it is that we are actually saying.
So I thought I would take this opportunity to respond to some of the points that they have been making in ignorance of what it is we are actually saying and what it is we are actually asking for.
Now, this is going to be probably something they will never watch, but feel free to tag them in it.
Feel free to send it to them.
And I will try to be as polite and straightforward and clear as possible because I really want them to understand that actually it's the entire paradigm that they work under that is the problem.
So let's begin with asking why exactly the people of the country are having trouble with integration of masses of foreigners.
I currently live in Essex and there was a massive wave of white people who moved from North London where I grew up as soon as there were migrants.
So then I want to ask white people, why did you leave them?
If there's no white people about, maybe it's your fault.
Why did you leave the city?
Well, first things, it's not our fault that there have been massive waves of migrants.
We voted consistently against immigration, basically in any form, for a very long time, but especially mass immigration.
Nobody ever wanted this.
This was not on Blair's manifesto, I'm going to open the borders and bring in quarter of a million foreigners a year.
It was not on the Conservatives' manifesto to bring in a million foreigners a year.
It has not been something we have chosen.
So this fundamentally is not our fault.
This is what we mean by the betrayal.
But secondly, the reason that people move away when a bunch of foreigners move in is because we want to live in England.
Now, England is the product of the English people.
England is what is created when the English are allowed to actually govern themselves, live amongst themselves, and act in the way that they have traditionally acted.
And you might think, but why do you want that?
It's like, well, it's completely natural.
It's the same reason that we get these ethnic colonies springing up on British soil between the Bangladeshis, the Hindus and whoever else.
Like in Birmingham, for example, you've got the Jewish neighborhood and then you have the Pakistani neighborhood.
And that's where the recent, sorry, Manchester.
That's where the recent attack took place.
This is just a natural thing that people want to live around people who are like themselves because people like themselves are familiar and predictable and you know the kind of thing that they're going to do.
You can expect a certain level of reassurance, of familiarity.
And moreover, it's just nice to be in a place where you feel like you belong.
And if the place in which you live suddenly gets populated by foreigners from some other place, well, suddenly you feel alienated from that place.
You don't know the people.
You don't know their language.
You don't know the customs.
And you don't know why they're here and you didn't ask for it.
You didn't move.
They did.
And so you're being colonized.
And actually, people don't really want to be colonized.
I'm sure that a lot of people who are on the receiving end of the British Empire would say the same thing.
And so you can't really blame people for saying, oh, right, actually, the government has decided to move in a bunch of foreigners to live in my area that was just an old English area for a thousand years.
I don't really want to live in a foreign country.
I want to live in England, which is why I didn't move.
I have to leave this area and move to another area where the English are actually living because we don't want to live around you.
It's not all of you.
And it's not that in small numbers it can't be tolerable and good.
It's just it's not been that.
And we were never asked whether we want this done to our country.
And so you are acting like you have some right to live around us.
And actually, I don't think that's true.
In fact, we have the ability to move away from you.
And we do.
And it's not personal.
It's just that we had something that we were living in.
A thing that we would just broadly call England, an English society.
And it provides a kind of psychic backdrop.
that creates a safety and a normalcy and a security that I appreciate that you probably didn't have in your home countries.
I appreciate you probably don't have what we have.
And I imagine that you're moving to us to probably try and take that, to try and join that.
But unfortunately, you can't.
You can't just join it.
When you do, especially in large numbers, you in fact destroy it.
And we don't want that thing destroyed.
It's taken us a long time to cultivate this.
And we'd like to keep it.
And only in very small numbers would that be possible.
And that's what I guess Robert Jemrich is talking about when he thinks of integration.
But that's not possible now because of the sheer numbers and the reproduction of foreign cultures on our own soil.
Like, why is there a single mosque here?
Why is there a single Hindu temple here?
Why is there a single street that is in a foreign language here?
Why is it that this is happening to us?
And the answer is, this is not what integration actually looks like.
Integration actually means joining our culture, becoming like us, becoming familiar.
And if you can't become familiar, well, don't be surprised when we don't want to live around you.
This question was taken up by Zach Polanski on last night's question time, where he declared that there was only one reason that people were not happy with immigration, and that is because of a lack of services.
I hear your anger, and I think you're right to be angry.
I think we should all be angry when we had 14 years of conservative austerity that shut our libraries, shut our community centers, and then to say integration is a problem.
How do you expect people to integrate if you've taken away their services?
We need to make sure that all politicians, all politicians are speaking about migration in positive sense.
Now, of course, there will be people who have problems with migration, but their problems are because they can't get a dentist appointment, because there's not enough council homes, because we've not invested in our communities.
But none of these are problems of a black face.
These are the problems of multi-millionaires and billionaires and the politicians who haven't taxed them properly.
This is quite a remarkable screed because it shows that Zach has no sensitivity to the idea that there is a collective possession of the English called England and actually it provides something more than merely material benefits.
As far as he can see, the only thing that we have that other countries don't are material qualities.
But actually, this is a metaphysical quality.
This is something that you can't measure, that you can't put a price on, that you can't weigh, you can't divide.
But it exists or it doesn't exist.
And when it doesn't exist, we don't like it.
We don't want to live like this.
Actually, we don't feel at home in our own country.
And it's interesting how he has to explain that actually multiculturalism would work if we just paid for it.
Integration is a lack of community centers.
It's like, no.
And even if it was, why should I have to?
We didn't want these people here in the first place.
We never voted for foreigners to come here.
And they were brought here in unfathomable numbers.
And now Zach's answer is, well, you have to pay for that.
If you pay for that, then trust me, everything will work out, bro.
Well, I don't agree.
I don't think that's how that works.
And I don't think that is going to work.
And I don't see why I should have to.
Why is this being forced on us?
Why is this something that has to be done to us?
Is not fair.
And Zach then pivoting to his deep-seated envy and resentment about his own wealthy parents, going, We have to tax the rich, we just punish the rich.
I don't really care about the rich.
What I care about is the fact that my life and my community is getting measurably worse.
And I have to start thinking, right, okay, where am I going to go?
I'm going to have to move to a different area as well because I didn't want this to happen to my town, to my city, to my village.
I didn't want this to happen and it's happening anyway.
What am I going to do in response to it?
Zach's like, well, you're going to have to pay for stuff for these people who have come here.
No, I just don't want to.
So the next thing I'm going to address is Ollie Dogma on Newsnight, where he recently argued that actually Robert Jemrich only said that there were no white faces in Birmingham because he's a racist.
Now, he said this very slyly, but this is the obvious implication of his statement.
Ah, you wouldn't say there are no black faces in the Cotswolds, would you?
So why are you concerned about there being no white faces in Birmingham?
If Robert Jenrick was to walk down a high street in Mayfair or the Cotswolds or perhaps one of the members' clubs that he and his political colleagues like to frequent Hartford Street, for example, I wonder on the variety of ethnic backgrounds the members of that club have.
I think it's very deliberate and very pointed that he's pointing out an urban area of Birmingham and asking, I don't see very many white faces.
Why is that?
It's interesting how the rhetoric around the debate around immigration in this country has changed.
It used to be a conversation about numbers and those numbers being too high.
It's changing now and it's explicitly ethnic and it is about race.
And that for me is a very worrying sign.
Now, the straightforward answer to Ollie is: well, the English are just white.
And so to find an area of England that is mostly full of English people, therefore white people, is actually not terribly surprising.
And it is, of course, not fundamentally objectionable.
You would expect that in the tribal homelands of a people, those people would be the overwhelmingly predominant ethnic group that you would find.
You might find small numbers of people who are not from that ethnic group.
But, I mean, if you look back just to 1991, Britain was like England was 95% English.
And so that's normal.
That's a completely normal thing within my lifetime that has changed dramatically.
And then he goes on and say, well, it used to be talking about numbers.
It used to be talking about the numbers.
And now it's become ethnic.
It's like, yes, because this is a process, Ollie.
The reason that we were talking about the numbers in the beginning is because it would end up impacting the ethnic makeup of the country.
And now Robert Jemrick has noted that, in fact, the center of Birmingham has become almost completely diversified.
So there are virtually, I mean, literally in some areas, like 2 or 3% English people who are remaining in this area.
Yes, it becomes a concern, doesn't it?
Because A, integration obviously hasn't happened.
So that was just a lie.
I mean, what would these people even integrate into in these areas?
But two, why is it that we have to give up areas of our country to foreigners?
They have countries of their own, in which they are the overwhelming majority, like 95% plus.
And that's good.
I want them to have those countries.
I want them to have their own countries where they have sovereignty, they have the self-determination of a people.
And I just want that for my country.
I don't think it's unreasonable to ask that the English be 90 plus percent of England and have the cultural, moral, and dare I say, ethnic determination, self-determination of themselves as a people.
That's not unreasonable.
Everyone else has that, and it's good that they have that.
That's what decolonization was.
That was what the end of empires was, is to have the ethnic self-determinations of people.
And now we look at these colonies that have sprung up and literally taken over areas of Birmingham, areas of Luton, areas of London, areas of Manchester, wherever, and just say, well, look, this wasn't what we wanted.
We didn't ask for this.
It's been done against the democratic will of the country.
And we keep having it imposed upon us to the point now where, as we said, the numbers are too high, the numbers are too high.
And now look at the ethnic makeup of our cities and look what has been done to us.
And we don't want that to be the case for everywhere.
We want that to stop.
I want that not to be the future of England.
And yet, all I've seen from the mainstream discussion is, what are you talking about?
You're a racist.
This is the future of the country.
And you should just get used to it.
It's like, no, I don't think I will, actually.
I think what I'm going to do is do what the rest of the country is doing and vote right wing.
I don't know whether you've noticed, but Nigel Farage is like, no, okay, that's got to stop.
Obviously, he might not explicitly say it, but obviously there's some understanding in Farage's brain that actually bringing millions of foreigners and giving them indefinite leave to remain is going to significantly change the country in ways that we actually don't want.
And I don't really want to give my children and grandchildren and descendants a country as scarred as this one.
I don't want to give away the country that we inherited, Ollie.
Now, you might be like, okay, but I feel like a racist when I say that.
I don't care.
I don't care what you think.
I don't care whether you feel like a racist.
I don't care whether for some reason, like, oh no, God, not ethnic particularity of a people.
You profess that all day, every day when you talk about Palestine.
You just can't bring yourself to have that kind of consideration for our own country.
But actually, I think we should.
And actually, I think our descendants certainly will.
Because the more you shove ethnicity in their face, the more they realize their own ethnicity.
And unfortunately, like we said, the numbers are going to cause this.
And now we are here.
So what are we supposed to do, Ollie?
Are we supposed to pretend that it doesn't exist?
Are you going to feign this sort of terrible, oh, oh, this is so bad?
No, this is the future you chose.
Your politics have always been gearing and aiming us towards this future, and now we're here.
And of course, the mainstream discourse is just going to be like, you are a Nazi.
Like, the Communist Fringe is just going to call you a Nazi.
But of course, it doesn't land.
Nigel Farage, he joined forces with the Swedish Democrats in the European Parliament.
This is a far-right Nazi group.
They want to deport people, not based on the colour of their skin, but from the places that they've come from.
They also, Nigel Farage, talks about it being the end of democracy because of the way certain ethnic minorities are voting.
These aren't robust words, as Annabel called them earlier, or we've heard on the conversation.
This is racism, it's fascism, and we should call it out.
It is not in any way Nazism or fascism to wish for your people, your tribe, to have self-determination.
Is in no way any kind of Nazism, fascism, whatever.
And calling people racist, I don't know whether you've noticed, not really stopping the conversation.
Actually, it doesn't really matter if you think that is racist, because ultimately what you are arguing is that the very feeling of belonging to a broader group, as in having an ethnicity, is itself the racism that you're attacking.
And I'm sorry, but I'm not going to give up my country.
I'm not going to do that just because you call me names.
I don't consider myself a hateful person in any way.
And I'm sure everyone who's ever met me has hopefully come away with quite a pleasant interaction, regardless of their race.
But I'm not giving up my homeland.
I'm not doing that.
In fact, I'm going to keep doing this until we win, Zach.
And we are going to win.
And as things are, we're on course to win.
So no wonder you're like, well, we've got to call it out every time.
Please, please continue to bludgeon people with the cudgel of racism because it's worked so well up until this point for you, isn't it?
It's really changed the discourse in your favour.
So please, and a lot of people are like, why is this Zach Polanski guy on the TV all the time?
I think it's great that he's on the TV all the time.
We need more Zach Polanski because I think the average English person who sees Zach Polanski on TV is just like, oh, Jesus Christ, this.
Is this really where the mainstream left is going?
It's like, yes, this is really where the mainstream left is going.
And the right is going in the opposite direction.
The right is actually going to get us a country that is worth living in.
So you know how you're supposed to vote.
And the last thing I wanted to talk about in this video is just tone policing.
Last week's episode of Question Time, Fiona Bruce tone policed some, I think he's a Northern Ireland MP because he said this.
There are people from traditional nationalist and Republican backgrounds alongside unionists and loyalists who feel that enough is enough when it comes to pansying around on illegal immigration.
Control our borders.
Yes, control our borders and restore order.
And that's certainly a policy that I'll be pushing for and continue to.
That is a word that is often used as a derogatory term for people who are homosexual.
Is that not?
No, that is exactly not what I mean.
That is exactly what I mean.
No, it's not.
No, that is not what I mean.
Looking at her face here, and it's the two women on the panel that are tone policing him.
Sorry, ladies, no, I don't care if you think pansying around is somehow an offensive term.
It's not.
It's a normal term to use.
And this kind of progressive language policing is over.
This kind of diversionary tactic, it's too late for that.
It's far too late.
This is not going to work.
Things are just too bad.
Things are just far beyond the pale.
They're approaching the event horizon here.
And this is not going to work.
So just to be clear to the people in the mainstream having this conversation, I don't hold any ill will against any of you personally.
I just am frustrated watching you all essentially either deliberately misunderstand, call me names over what I think is a completely reasonable thing that you extend to any other people on earth, or divert attention to ancillary and ridiculous issues to try and avoid having these very important discussions.
It is frustrating and I'm sorry, I'm just not going to accept it.
We are going to have an England that is mostly English, 90% plus English.
We are going to have a country that works for us.
And if the people that you have brought into this country don't like that, well, luckily for them, they have choices.
They have options.
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