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Sept. 20, 2025 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin

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	Doing well.
	I'm doing pretty good, I think.
	I'm doing good.
	I'm doing very well, actually.
	Everything's going great.
	Working really hard, actually.
	I wanted to, I really want to find, start that again.
	I haven't been able to find the time to make proper content for this channel, right?
	As in the sort of like, you know, 10 to 20 minute philosophy videos that I've been doing recently, since I've like restarted this channel and since I was re-monetized that I've been doing.
	And I really want to do them.
	I really miss doing them because they, in my opinion, are my best work, which is why they're on this channel, and I just haven't been able to find the time, just haven't been able to hello chat.
	Good to see you all.
	This is a very late stream, isn't it?
	I don't normally stream this late, especially as I've I've got church tomorrow.
	Fuck's sake man, I'm not even joking either.
	I'm not even joking, right.
	So my wife, ages ago literally, was like in fact, it started before that, when my, my oldest son was in a multicultural school because every bloody school in this country is multicultural these days um, and he was trying to figure out whether he was a Christian or not, because he needed a religious identity to understand himself in relation to the Muslims and the Hindus in his uh,
	in his school.
	And so I was like yeah no, you are a Christian obviously, because we're English.
	Um, and my wife also is a Christian and has much more of a spiritual side than me.
	I'm, i'm I hate to say it i'm a complete creature of modernity.
	I just don't feel spiritual in that way.
	And so my wife's like okay, can we start taking the kids to church on sunday?
	And there's me being like, oh yeah, that's right, i'm a bass trad, right winger.
	How could I say no to that?
	And so every weekend, every sunday I swear i'm not making this up every fucking sunday i've got to go to church, which for me, an ex-new atheist, you know sort of you know again atheistic child of modernity, sounds ridiculous and feels like a giant larp.
	You know, i'm not going for me, i'm going for her and my son and my other younger kids.
	But i've said this before, my parents are also atheists.
	But my, my dad really likes it when he has to go to church for like a christening or a wedding or something he loves.
	He loves singing the hymns, he loves doing it and he's got this, he's got this nostalgia for church from when he was a boy, when they had to go to church, and I never had to go to church.
	So I don't have any nostalgia for it.
	So for me I feel like an alien interloper in a church.
	Uh, whereas he feels he's, He's back in his childhood, and I want my kids to have that.
	And so, because my kids will benefit from it, even if they turn out to be atheists, I'm not, I don't proselytize atheism at them, by the way.
	But even if they turn out to be atheists, my wife isn't, and she wants to go to church, and my kids will benefit from it.
	So, on a Sunday morning for two hours, I get to be bored.
	Christians, you know, I'm a, I'm, what I am your strongest champion.
	It's just weird for me to have to go to church personally, right?
	And like, I love it, actually.
	I love the like we used to go to this one church that was my wife's like family church, and I hated it.
	I hated every second of it because it was run by two very nice ladies, but they're very modern, and they were like, you know, doing pop songs remade with like Jesus lyrics.
	And I, I hated it.
	If I was going to go to church, I want like the full works.
	Give me the proper religious experience so I can at least feel solemn at the, you know, in the thing, in the experience of it, and I can at least appreciate that the people around are doing something they really truly believe in, right?
	I can, I can respect that.
	And uh, Cameron at work suggested this one church, and lo and behold, this church was really good.
	It's not far from the one that my wife used to go to, so it's not a great distance for us to travel.
	And they are superb.
	All of the pastors are men, they have a choir, they walk around with burning incense and singing hymns and giving praise and stuff like that.
	And I'm just like, Yeah, okay, this if I have to go to church, this is way more like what I want to see in a church, and it's really nice.
	And actually, it's got a surprisingly active congregation.
	Uh, there are normally about 30 or 40 people there, which is a lot for a church in Swindon.
	Um, the other one, hardly any, you know, like literally two or three people turn up.
	Um, this one's got quite a few people in it.
	Uh, but apparently, I wasn't able to go last weekend because, of course, the Tommy rally.
	And so, my wife took the kids on her own, which can't have been easy because my kids are rambunctious.
	Um, and she was like, it was packed, absolutely packed.
	And I was like, What did you think there's?
	She's like, Charlie Kirk.
	It was full of young men.
	She thinks Charlie Kirk's assassination has put young men back in the church.
	I was like, Jesus, well, I guess we'll see how many young men turn up for a second week.
	Listen, lads, I'm condemned to go because I don't have a choice.
	I'm going to be there every weekend when I'm here.
	But you have a choice.
	You might not go.
	But if you're one of those lads who turned up to the church thinking, yeah, I am going to get back into it.
	Maybe you should.
	And make sure you keep going every bloody weekend.
	This is good for you.
	I genuinely wish I had some sort of religious feeling in me, but I just don't.
	I just don't.
	I'm so cursed by modernity, man.
	I just, but anyway, I don't worry about me.
	But the point being, like, I'm, I'm kind of, it is an Anglo-Catholic service.
	I don't know what that means, but they, they aren't like normal Church of England where they're fucking gay.
	So, um, it, you know, as long as it's not like Catholic Catholics and like gay fucking European shit.
	But like, you know, as long as it's slightly xenophobic, that's fine.
	But seriously, though, it's, it's, it's nice that they, they've got the incense going around.
	And so you get to see all the smoke.
	And then on a sunny day, when the sun's coming in and the smokes will go through these shafts of light, it's really nice.
	Just the atmosphere is very, very nice in it.
	I really enjoy it actually, even though it's not my thing, and I am like just sat there.
	I can't go on my phone or anything.
	So, I get a couple of hours essentially meditating and running after the kids because my wife actually wants to be there.
	So, if one of my kids is playing up and I've got to take them outside or something, like she, she doesn't, I'm the one who has to take them outside.
	She's not going to do it because she actually wants to be there.
	Um, but when they're behaving, um, it is, it is, it is a pleasant experience, I'm not gonna lie.
	Um, sorry, okay.
	Um, will you be Bose Britain's Giovanni Gentili?
	Um, no, because fascism's gay, I don't like any ideologies.
	Um, oh, when I've when I finish my master's degree, which I'm coming to the end of now, and my god, have I been working just slogging away doing citations on it just to make sure it's all done?
	Um, I'll probably write a book, but I'll probably my wife's like, you're not gonna do a PhD, are you?
	I'm like, maybe that'll take like years, but I'll probably write a book, um, at least against liberalism.
	Initially, I'll write a book, um, but I'll probably do a PhD afterwards at some point.
	But, um, but yeah, no, I'm not gonna be Giovanni Gentili.
	Um, again, like ideologists are gay, and I don't like them.
	Uh, sorry about your tender date, Jay Forsyth.
	Uh, Wizard Jim says, Hello, Don Sargoon, got my copy of Islander, can't wait to make a 2,000% markup reselling on eBay.
	Here's your cut, keep the good work.
	Well, thank you very much.
	Um, by the way, uh, Islander, apparently, so we got like a bulk uh thing made uh printed of Islander, um, and they're very nearly gone.
	So, link in the description, go and get yours now.
	Uh, but also, it's just really good, like it's really, really good.
	I'm really proud of it.
	And the next, the next one's gonna have a good theme as well, really interesting theme, really looking forward to writing on it.
	So, like I said, I've had to read so much doing this degree, I'm like, right, okay, I actually have a very interesting set of things that I want to talk about that are outside of the scope of what I'm actually doing.
	Like, for example, I'd like to work, I'd like to do a thing on De Tocqueville's Democracy in America at some point because obviously I had to read it and it is a fucking tome.
	But he's got some really interesting observations.
	He's got some very interesting observations about American women in the 19th century, which is cool, and how they differ from French women.
	And essentially, the sort of liberty that they have gives them more self-control.
	And you can see the change now in the well, I mean, is self-control a thing anymore?
	Do people care about that at all?
	This is one of those things.
	But yeah, I've got a lot to do.
	Adam says, I know immigration is the issue, but I'm sad the digital ID petition isn't standing up next to Rupert's offshore one.
	Otherwise, we might not be able to rally as we have been.
	What's the point in winning a battle if we lose them all?
	Well, the thing is, if the demographic integrity of the country is damaged beyond repair, then it can never be fixed.
	If we're forced into a tyranny, you know, some sort of neo-communist tyranny with digital IDs and facial recognition, that can always be undone.
	Like, we can always just elect the base government to be like, no, fuck all this.
	We don't want any of this stuff.
	So, all of that can be undone.
	But the immigration issue is number one because that can never be reversed if we don't fix it now.
	So, we have no choice.
	If you have any questions, by the way, just do feel free to ask.
	Otherwise, I'm just going to ramble about things that are on my mind.
	There are loads of things on my mind as well.
	Yeah, so thank you everyone about the church.
	Reading maps of meaning as an atheist will help you engage more while in church while you're there.
	Well, I've not no problem engaging.
	Like, I've read the Bible many times, and I actually do find it interesting for many different reasons.
	So I actually know a lot of what they're talking about, and you know, I can I know the sort of thing they're going to tell me.
	It's just that I realize that I'm always going to be an outsider here, even though obviously I want to support Christianity as a restorationist movement.
	I would much, I would rather live in a Christian Britain than an atheist one, put frankly.
	Even if that means I have to go to church on Sundays and I'm bored for a couple of hours.
	Mason says, I empathize with you on faith.
	A lot of Jews practice their religion without the faith.
	I wonder if there's a way of doing that with Christianity.
	Well, I mean, I guess I'm the closest I can get to that, right?
	I, you know, even if I don't believe I am living, as far as I can tell, a relatively Christian life.
	I'm married, I've got kids, I've got to go to church.
	So I don't know.
	What else does a Christian do with their time, you know?
	Many young people come to my church.
	Wish me luck.
	Maybe I'll get a Zuma wife.
	Says Ethel.
	I can't pronounce that.
	Yes.
	Well, what was really interesting about the Charlie Kirk effect here?
	And I don't know how widespread this is, but I suspect it's not just the church me and my wife go to that has loads of young men suddenly turning up in the wake of Charlie Kirk's assassination.
	I imagine lots of young men are going to lots of different churches because they have decided that actually this is a spiritual war, which it is, and they intend to be on the winning side.
	And so if you are a young lady, an eligible young lady who is looking for a husband who takes life seriously and intends to be part of the solution and not the problem, well, you could probably do worse than going to a church on Sunday, actually.
	So who knows?
	Certainly couldn't hurt, right?
	Sadbard says, I was debating whether or not to go to church tomorrow, but you're right.
	It's good for the kids.
	Thanks for making that choice for me.
	Well, absolutely.
	Again, it's not really my choice.
	I didn't really get to choose it because as soon as I realized why my dad really enjoys going to church and church functions, I realized, I just have to do my part, you know, for my kids.
	You know, I don't get a lion on Sundays really anyway, because they wake up and like, you know, six, seven o'clock in the morning, they burst into our room, either fighting over something or just jumping on the bed or something.
	I don't get to lion in Sundays anyway, so, you know, I may as well go to church.
	May as well get them out of the house.
	Have I finished plotting my revenge on Elon Musk yet?
	Well, Elon, I don't know why you haven't DM'd us to come on my podcast.
	Although, I have to say, thank you very much for getting Gavin McInnes restored.
	I was at the Tommy, the United Kingdom rally, and on the night of afterwards, everyone's drinking, having a good time.
	I go up to the bar.
	I'm about to get whiskey and coke or something.
	And I noticed that there's this guy on my right.
	He's just looking at his phone.
	And it's like, that's fucking Gavin McInnes.
	I was like, oi.
	He's like, all right, mate.
	And he starts telling me about how things have been.
	He's got a website called censored.tv.
	And because he's been banned off everything ever, he's got like, you know, his supporters, but they slowly dwindle over time.
	And he can't recruit new supporters because he doesn't have social media.
	I was like, fuck, man.
	You know, he literally has like Telegram, basically, and he doesn't use it.
	And I'm like, okay, whatever.
	You know, you've got to use it, man.
	And he was just like, no, I'm too much of a boomer, basically.
	I was alright.
	Okay, well, you know, you need a horse to water.
	And then I saw a clip of him yesterday going around on Twitter.
	And I was just okay, yeah, right.
	I read a quote tweeted and then tagged Elon Musk.
	I was like, look, man, Gavin, his crime is basically being ahead of the curve, right?
	He's a lot more moderate than a lot of the people in the political environment these days that you've allowed back on the platform.
	You should reinstate him.
	And Elon replied, going, okay, what's his at?
	So I linked it.
	And lo and behold, yesterday, his account was back.
	I was like, okay, that's brilliant.
	Thanks, Elon.
	And then we hear from Gavin McInnis, not from Twitter, through Twitter, that he can't remember his fucking password and the email or the email address that we would go to.
	And the number that is on there is already in use.
	And so Grandpa McInnis can't get back into his fucking Twitter.
	And he still hasn't tweeted.
	Which I just find really funny.
	I'm sorry, Gavin.
	I just find that really funny.
	Get a new phone.
	Just get another phone.
	That's all you have to do.
	Get another goddamn phone.
	Use a different number to reset your password and get back on.
	Because the thing is, like, Gavin, he's actually a really nice guy and he's very smart.
	And honestly, he's kind of behind the times in sort of you know the political discourse.
	It's very aggressive at this point.
	And I would enjoy his interventions.
	But more than that, it's like bullying.
	I got Milo brought back too.
	I was tweeting Elon Musk to get Milo back.
	And then Milo got it back and he was DMing.
	I was like, no, you have to use it.
	And now Milo's, how many followers he got?
	let me have a look 745,000 fucking followers I've only got like 520,000 only.
	And so Milo is, you know, tearing up on Twitter and he's doing great.
	And I'm like, no, I want a restoration.
	I want all of the old gang who were deplatformed during the sort of dark eras between 2017 and sort of 2023, whenever it was Elon bought Twitter.
	I want all of them back.
	I want us all back because, you know, you don't have to agree with any of these people.
	You don't have to like any of these people.
	But I genuinely don't think they deserved the deplatformings that they got.
	I don't think I deserved it, obviously, but I don't think they deserved it either.
	And I want the gang to get back together.
	You know, I want it was a genuine sort of tapestry of different opinions back in the Wild West days of like, you know, 2013, 2014, 2015, that sort of era.
	It was a wild west, and you got all sorts.
	And it was genuinely exciting to have all sorts involved in the conversation.
	It was genuinely exciting.
	And everyone worked really hard.
	You know, you could see that people were punching their time on the clock and doing the debates, producing the content.
	And then for some fucking blue-headed shitheel in Silicon Valley to be like, ah, that's offensive.
	That's it.
	You're off the internet forever.
	I just find that totally unacceptable.
	No, they, everyone has a right to exist.
	Okay.
	We all have a right to exist.
	Even if you don't agree with us, we don't care.
	We're not doing anything illegal.
	And so I want these people brought back, even if they do stuff that are gone to criticize or I don't agree with or whatever it is.
	I think that everyone should have a right to exist.
	I genuinely do.
	And so I want everyone back.
	And so I'm doing what I can to get these people back.
	So, no, I'm not going to take revenge on Elon Musk.
	I'm sure he can sleep safely now in his bed.
	For bringing Gavin back, I'll forgive him.
	But, you know, don't cross me again, Elon.
	Honestly, jokes aside, man.
	Elon has done so much good work.
	So, you know, there are lots of people with valid criticisms of him, but just from a practical point of view, he has done so much for the rights and for us in allowing us to actually be part of civilization again on the internet.
	So, yeah, thank you so much, Frankfurt, Elon.
	appreciate everything you've done and everything you continue to do um i must interview newt gingrich on to talk film Why?
	Is Newt a scholar of Tocqueville, isn't he?
	I had no idea.
	Janice says: the death of Charlie Kirk illustrated clearly how wide the gulf between left and right really is.
	The far left is so rabid, it seems to me like we're from different planets.
	Is there any fixing this?
	I can't see it happening.
	Yeah, force of law, basically.
	When the left start actually receiving punishments for being horrific people, then yeah, that will happen.
	Like, there are loads of them getting fired because it's just not acceptable to cheer for the deaths of anyone at all, really.
	I mean, they would have to be like, you know, maybe like Harold Shipman or Joseph Fritzel, if they were getting the death penalty, you could cheer.
	Because the point of having these kind of social norms and obligations that are universal is to ensure the integrity of the social fabric, to make sure that we understand that we are actually a civilization that is bound together through the bonds of friendship, as Aristotle described them.
	This is genuinely why we are so prickly about this subject.
	We are not merely a social contract society.
	The United States claims to be a social contract society.
	France claims to be a social contract society.
	But they're not.
	Because otherwise, this wouldn't be a problem.
	But it's a massive problem.
	Because really, we are bound through sentiment.
	Sentiment comes first.
	Rousseau had it correct.
	The real constitution is written in the hearts of men.
	And if you allow one political faction to nurture hatred, then that's the real constitution of that side of your polity.
	And that has to be forbidden.
	And the only way you're going to forbid it is through the exercise of power.
	And that's what they were doing to us with things like racism, sexism, xenophobia, whatever it is.
	Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	You know, name a thing.
	But the thing is, none of those are actually even agreed upon subjects.
	But none of them are really as bad as the left makes them sound.
	Words are not violence.
	Violence is actually violence.
	And shooting a man in cold blood in the middle of the day, that's unacceptable, right?
	That's in all times and all places.
	That's just completely unacceptable.
	And therefore, cheering for that is also, by extension, unacceptable.
	But not only that, it reveals you to be the kind of person who, with the circumstances different, you'd be the kind of person who'd pull the trigger on that.
	And so every person who cheered for it is the sort of person who'd pull the trigger on it.
	And that actually is the destruction of the social fabric, the bonds of sentiment that bind us together.
	And we can't have that.
	We just can't have that.
	That is just one step too far.
	You can have any political opinion you want, in my opinion, but you're not allowed to cheer for the deaths of people.
	You notice that when leftists get killed, or when they die, I don't see the right cheering.
	Like when Ruth Bader Ginsburg died, Trump was like, oh, that's the first time hearing of it.
	I'm sorry to hear it.
	Like, he didn't caveat that by saying, well, I disagreed with everything she said, but it's a shame she's dead, or that shouldn't have happened.
	He didn't caveat it.
	He actually gave a really human response, which was really nice.
	And I don't see, I mean, there may well be right-wingers out there who are cheering for the deaths of people, but I just don't see that because the right genuinely seems to be a bit more human than the left.
	The left is just hugely ideological.
	So, yeah, I just think it's completely reasonable that that is a hard line in the sand.
	You don't cheer for the deaths of people.
	When there are people mourning, you don't cheer.
	That is just, again, they would have to have done something truly monstrous.
	Like, they would have to, like Jimmy Savile style, right?
	It would have to be awful in every way for it to become acceptable.
	Because they, basically what I'm saying is they would have to have done serious damage to the social fabric themselves.
	They would have to have revealed themselves to be an enemy of society writ large.
	And Charlie Kirk, whatever you thought about his political opinions, was obviously not an enemy of society writ large.
	In fact, and I said this before Ezra Klein said it, but he wrote the bloody New York Times article ever.
	Charlie Koch was doing democracy.
	That is what democracy is meant to be about.
	You're meant to have a free and open exchange of ideas.
	And this can be painful.
	It can be difficult.
	And it's the right thing to do.
	And it's the right way that he was doing it.
	And so literally, there is no circumstance in which it's acceptable to even try and caveat.
	Well, I didn't agree with him, but no, no.
	This was bad in all times and all places.
	This doesn't need to be discussed.
	Turn the Langlo.
	Sadly, the Church of England is woken anti-based as a Christian.
	I hate watching the church destroy itself.
	Restore the kingdom, Daresphalt.
	I know, it's disgusting.
	It's genuinely disgusting, but it shows you what they really believe.
	The Church of England is a bunch of liberals.
	They don't believe in God.
	They don't believe in shit, to be honest.
	Kent says, may I request a redesign of the For America show?
	Come on, Jim.
	Current image comes off as a boomer political cartoon.
	Can we get something more honourable, like a revolutionary fighter on a horse with a musket?
	Man, you're going to have to speak to Rory about that.
	He's the Zoomer who's in touch with the ley lines and divines from the cultural milieu.
	What is and is not critical.
	I don't design shit because I'm not a designer.
	And everything I design turns out crap.
	So you contact Rory.
	You complain at him.
	S. Titan says, I'm a 33-year-old Scott married to a Christian Texan girl.
	We live in Texas.
	We have one, three, and five-year-old, and we're going to start going to church after Kirk.
	It's war.
	Yeah, I think that a lot of people feel that way.
	I genuinely feel a lot of people feel that way.
	And honestly, just turning up, I think, is enough.
	I really do.
	I think just being present is the thing that is important at this point.
	Generica says, are you going anywhere interesting in Australia?
	Is there anything you want to see?
	Right, well, I'm going to Sydney because I'm going to...
	Let me see if I can find a link to let you know exactly what I am actually doing.
	Let me see if I can find a link to let you know exactly what I am actually doing.
	It's a...
	Sorry, I'm just trying to find it.
	It's a conference that I'm going to and giving a talk at.
	There's got to be a link to it somewhere.
	Okay, apparently I don't have a link to it.
	It's one of the Skillthings conferences in Australia.
	Go and follow at Maven Politic, I'm sure.
	Let me check.
	It must have something on there.
	It must be advertising in some way.
	Right, there we go.
	Okay.
	Right, it's First Fleet Forum, charting Terra Nullis.
	October the 24th to October the 26th in Hunter Region, somewhere in Sydney.
	I understand it.
	It's me, Survive the Jive, Dr. Fran Salter, Russia Walter.
	And numerous others, no doubt, and uh, for some reason that's not gone.
	But uh whatever uh, but anyway, yeah.
	So um, Google First Fleet Forum and that's what i'll be doing in Australia at the end of uh october.
	Um, i'm just going to be there in Sydney, as I understand it.
	So if you're an Australian and you're in Sydney, hit me up, send me a tweet or something uh, and we'll.
	We'll meet up and hang out, go for a beer.
	Um, give me something to do.
	Why do you bother associating with Tommy Robinson?
	In a recent video, he says he wouldn't even deport non-extremist Muslims.
	Yeah well, the thing is, this is one of those things that I think a lot of people have trouble understanding.
	Um, because Tommy is not a politician, right?
	It's just he does represent a kind of deep-seated political energy and he is capable of drawing this up and getting a million Englishmen on the street, and so, even if he himself is not well rehearsed in what he personally would do politically, that doesn't mean that he's not a on generally the right side, which he is,
	uh and b still the leader of a movement that i'm a part of, whether I agree with everything he says or not, and i'm sure that if I had a conversation with him about any of these things, i'd be able to persuade him around to my point of view.
	It's just that he does, he.
	I think that the online right has the kind of like hard Ethnat right in it, and I think it does go too far.
	I'm not trying to punch right here.
	Um, I think it does go too far, and I don't i'm not saying that they're doing it unreasonably.
	Things are bad right, things are very bad, and this, it probably is even important that they exist, to have that kind of hard line to drag people towards.
	I think that's probably an important thing um, but it is too hard, and I think it for me anyway uh, and I think it won't be necessary to save the country, and I would rather do things a little more congenially.
	I guess i'm.
	What am I trying to say here?
	I'm, it's too, it's too much.
	I agree though, that a lot of Tommy's positions are not enough uh, and insufficient, but I think that Tommy can be brought to a harder position in reality, because you see it occasionally, and the same with Lawrence Fox, you'll see them.
	You'll see them posting things that are actually really quite hardline things, because in their guts they know that that's true, but they don't want to be cruel, and there would be unnecessary cruelties in the Ethnat position, I think, would come out and be just more than I would be happy with.
	I wouldn't want to be the person doing those things, you know um, and I I think they're born out of fear, which is not unjustified, but I don't think they're necessary for us to win.
	I think we can win and save the country without going as hardline as that.
	And I think I just I'm personally friends with Tommy and I I've always been very sympathetic to him because he's not well trained in ideology and he's always been the thing that the establishment kicks and they've kicked and kicked and kicked.
	And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he's perfect or anything like that.
	He's got plenty of flaws, but there's something about it that I don't mind and I'm happy to I would rather be supportive than not.
	And I don't expect perfection from him.
	I expect just to be led in the right direction.
	I understand that he is the move the leader of his movement and I'm just a part of it.
	And I'm happy to understand my place in the hierarchy there.
	There's no, you know, I'm not trying, I wouldn't want to try and go against him or anything like that, even if he's not saying exactly what I think is necessary.
	But then he's not the politician.
	So I don't think you need to worry about it.
	Like, look at Rupert Lowe.
	He's a politician.
	He's a lot further to the right than Tommy.
	So, you know, I think, and same with Ben Habib, frankly.
	And so I think that a lot of it is kind of, and I do wonder how much of it on Tommy's part is him being defensive just because he's been attacked so many times.
	Because I don't think he is actually hateful.
	I just think he understands there's a genuine threat of political Islam, which is all Islam, in the country.
	And this is going to cause problems.
	But he doesn't hate, like, you know, Muslims.
	He doesn't, well, maybe he hates Muslims.
	I don't know.
	But he doesn't hate Hindus.
	He doesn't hate Sikhs.
	He doesn't hate any of these people.
	And he has a kind of British Empire view of these people.
	These are the sort of people who think well of us, the British, and respected us.
	And so he doesn't want to cast them out.
	You know, this is why he's got the Maori doing the hacker.
	I don't think these guys actually hate us.
	And I don't mind this old British Empire view.
	It is old world and his time has passed, but I don't hate it.
	And it doesn't undermine the fact that there was literally a million Englishmen waving England flags out in the streets.
	Whereas it's easy to be online and like, okay, I'm going to criticize Tommy Robinson for not doing things exactly as I did.
	Well, you know, let me know when you get a million Englishmen out on the streets and I'll join you.
	But Tommy's where the energy is.
	He's the one actually getting things done.
	He's actually putting like the establishment freaked out when they saw just how many people we got in the streets.
	You know, they freaked the fuck out.
	It was so good.
	And it was just the Sea of England flags, man.
	I mean, there was the occasional, you know, other foreign flag, but you could see the deep core of it is England coming to life.
	And it's not going to be ideologically pure or anything like that, but I'm alright with it.
	I don't mind.
	I can accept it.
	And like I said, I personally just quite like him.
	You know, he's always been kind to me.
	I've always got along really well with him.
	And I just would feel bad.
	I hate breaking alliances when the guy's never wronged me.
	I hate breaking a friendship with someone who's never wronged me.
	If someone had done something to me, fair enough.
	But he hasn't.
	He's just not been ideologically pure enough for you.
	And I'm not going to break alliances over that.
	I'm in favor of a broad tent, really broad tent.
	Unlike the left who are currently in the middle of creating the people's front of Judea and the Judean People's Front, I don't want to do that.
	I think, you know, let's just, you know, we all agree that, you know, fundamentally, the proposition is, does England belong to the English?
	And if the answer to that is yes, then we're all on the same team, no matter how hardline you are or not.
	D-Tech says the demographic issue isn't that bad.
	It's not 60% versus 40%.
	It's only one group that will be difficult.
	Other groups will leave that much fuss.
	Yeah, I know, but it has to be dealt with now while we're still the overwhelming majority and people are absolutely sick of it.
	It has to be dealt with now.
	If we allow the demographics to keep going, it becomes just more difficult.
	And I just don't want to hand this problem off to my children.
	I don't, excuse me, I don't want this to be a problem that my children have to deal with.
	This is something we have to deal with, frankly.
	So I'm going to skip the Christianity ones.
	I apologize.
	It's not that I don't want to talk Christianity, but we've already talked about it.
	And you know how I feel.
	But I appreciate, and honestly, there are lots of comments.
	People just how they've gone back to church themselves, which honestly is good.
	I think it's just really good.
	We've got to just start doing these things, whether we like it or not.
	You know what I mean?
	It's like we've got to do it.
	And we've got to set the example for future generations.
	This is what's happening in Nepal at the moment.
	Dan's been really all over the revolution in Nepal because it's basically based right-wing Zoomers who are sick of the communists just leeching money out of their country.
	And they're just like, no, we're literally going to physically overthrow the government, which I'm not suggesting.
	And then we're going to tidy the place up.
	We're going to have a proper, you know, electoral governmental situation.
	And we're going to actually get these things done.
	And they seem to be taking it very seriously and actually just doing things properly.
	And we've got to do that sort of thing ourselves.
	You know, you've got to set the example.
	Sorry, I've got to go down through.
	Yeah, we're getting the band back together.
	That's exactly what it is.
	French viewer, what are your thoughts on Eric Zamour?
	I love Eric Zamor.
	I think he's great.
	He was at the United Kingdom rally.
	I've met him before as well.
	I took him around Whitehall.
	Not Whitehall, White Chapel.
	And man, it was scary being outside that fucking mosque.
	I tell you.
	We started getting looks.
	And I was just like, oh, Jesus, I think it's time to go.
	We've got to do it.
	Why not you as well, Carl?
	Dude, did you not listen to the first fucking 20 minutes of me saying, I'm going to church tomorrow?
	I'm going to church tomorrow.
	This is what I have to do.
	So we include you as well.
	Any tips on how to get a two-year-old to eat?
	No.
	Sometimes they'll just dig their heels in and say no because they've learned the word no and they realize it's a powerful word.
	Honestly, I just let them go hungry.
	I just, you know, they'll eat their fucking breakfast.
	I'll tell you that.
	There's not a lot you can do.
	Honestly, I genuinely, I okay, you don't eat it.
	You're going to get any pudding and you're not going to, you know, you're going to go straight to bed without anything else.
	And I'm quite lucky.
	My kids generally eat fairly well, so I've not had too much of a problem with it.
	The Fed doc or the FE doc says, I sympathize with the lack of feeling religious, being a creature of modernity.
	I hold on to my orthodox roots in the sense of it as a birthright, if nothing else.
	Makes for a good structuring for life and society.
	Maybe look at it in those terms.
	Well, yeah, I mean, I'm not like, like I said, I'm not against religion or Christianity in particular at all.
	I'm in favor of it.
	It's just it's a weird thing for me because I'm not religious.
	But obviously, and I don't want to make it purely utilitarian either.
	But obviously, it would be better if we just had this.
	Thank you, Sam.
	I appreciate that.
	If reform let us down, could them winning in 2029 at least buy us time to save Britain while avoiding civil war?
	Personally, I'm for advance.
	Well, I mean, reform will let us down.
	Nigel Farage, even if underneath all of the centre-left Nigel Farage that we've seen in the past couple of years, there beats the heart of a raging, rabid racist, which I very much doubt.
	He's not going to be competent.
	He's not going to get things done.
	He's not going to know how to do things.
	He doesn't have a pool of talent around him because he spent the last 30 years of his life crushing people who not even disagreed with him, just were more talented than him in some way.
	And so he destroyed them.
	And there's dozens of people that he's done this to.
	And so now, if you look at the pool of talent around him, it's shallow.
	And I'm not saying this to you know, Duncan.
	I'll probably vote for Farage.
	Like, who am I going to, who else am I going to vote for?
	know what are our options here right but it's it's not good And hopefully it doesn't.
	We don't have to wait until 2029.
	Hopefully, I mean, it looks like the Labour Party is just fucking imploding.
	Apparently, Ed Milliband is going to try and take over the party.
	And Andy from more than the Manchester Mayor.
	I can't remember his surname now.
	But yeah, like, good luck to them all.
	Frankly, call a general election.
	Everyone hates you.
	You know everyone hates you.
	You're not going to do anything.
	You can't fix the system.
	Everything's fucked.
	Just let Farage screw it up so we can get on with something.
	Because after Farage, when Farage leaves Reform, everyone knows Reform's going to collapse, right?
	They've got no other talent there.
	Everyone knows it's going to...
	And Farage was one of like, oh, it's Farage who's made Reform What It Is.
	I'm not even sure that's true, but let's assume that it is.
	That means when you fuck off, then, you know, there's a big gap in the market suddenly that an actual right-wing party could step into.
	People who are actually serious, people who've been sidelined and crushed by Nigel Farage could actually get together in a serious party and say, look, this is what we're going to do.
	And this will actually save the country.
	This is the plan.
	Farage doesn't have anything.
	He doesn't have any policies.
	He doesn't have a manifesto.
	He doesn't have a shadow cabinet.
	It's like, dude, they're thinking about calling an election in May.
	Like, the rumor is it's going to come in May.
	You should get that shit together now.
	So you look like a government in waiting, but you don't look like a government in waiting.
	So the question is, what are you doing?
	Anyway.
	Yeah.
	Evening, Carl, graduating from uni soon.
	I'm wondering what's the best way to get involved with the right in the UK.
	Thanks for all the working on the Lotuses are putting out.
	I loved Islander 4.
	Thank you very much.
	Well, I mean, I don't know.
	Just show up, right?
	Like, volunteer for something.
	Honestly, go to Reform Local Branch.
	The Reform Local Branches are all our guys, right?
	Reform is currently in the middle of a civil war internally because the local branches fucking love Tommy and love the movement and we're all part of it.
	And the top brass hate Tommy, hate the movement, are annoyed.
	And I have no idea where they think they're getting their support from, obviously.
	But it's been a real problem.
	But at least, you know, the local branch is going to be pretty based.
	It's going to be full of people who are like, yeah, no, Tommy's right.
	We're all right.
	Like, I don't know why Farage is constantly signaling against it.
	Don't know why he doesn't just embrace the right.
	But I guess it's because he's not a right winger, really.
	But yeah, that's a good start.
	Get involved in some sort of local politics that you can actually speak to people with, you know, and talk to people, actually start networking.
	And who knows where it goes from there?
	TTTHTTPD says, against my better judgment, I checked a few of the remaining skeptic channels.
	They were all celebrating Charlie's passing and panicking over Kimmel so much from a rational consequentialism.
	Well, all except Shu.
	Shu put out a really nice video explaining that, look, I just don't know what I am.
	Economically, I'm left-wing, but these people are monstrous and I don't want to be associated with them.
	So, good on her.
	But, I mean, she's a mum now, I believe.
	So, she's got kids.
	She's married.
	She's got kids.
	And it's interesting how, you know, the ones of us who got married and had kids, essentially, I mean, what's the dis how is Shu not right-wing at this point?
	Like, how is she not far right, frankly?
	Like, and you, like, if the only dimension is economics, then I don't think you really understand what the true left-right divide is.
	Like, I don't think economics is very important at all.
	I think it's actually morality and sentimentality that is the real dividing line between the left and the right.
	And Shu, when viewed through that lens, she does not seem left-wing at all.
	So, you know, but good on her, though.
	You know, and I'm really, I think, I think her reaction to all of this has been the bellwether, you know, so you can really see, like, where the good people are actually going, right?
	The good people have a certain kind of response, and the bad people just reveal themselves.
	Let them, let them be, let them reveal themselves.
	Let them be as evil and publicly evil as they want to be.
	Because, A, I mean, a lot of them are getting fired because they're only, and it's not even like the right is going after them, and I'm not going to condemn that or anything like that.
	But, like, I get the feeling that in a lot of cases, you probably didn't need to go after them.
	I bet a lot of these people were like, their own bosses were like, what the fuck are you doing?
	You're cheering on the murder of an assassinated man in cold blood, in broad daylight.
	I don't want you working here.
	You seem like a maniac.
	Like, get out is, I think, something a lot of employers have done.
	Yeah, Shu is a good person.
	I've known Shu for many years.
	She is a good person.
	She is, yeah, utterly human is a great way of putting it.
	She's completely, completely human, completely normal.
	And honestly, watching her get sucked into the whirlpool of online left-wing politics was a weird thing because I could always see that it was never what she was really about, right?
	She's one of those people who got kind of fooled by the left is compassionate.
	Like that was the selling pitch that she, oh yeah, I'm a compassionate person.
	And it turns out, no, the left isn't compassionate.
	They're fucking resentful goblins who hate beauty, truth, and goodness and want to destroy anything that has any innocence or nobility about it.
	That's what the left is.
	The beating heart of the left is evil, resentful demons.
	And I don't even know if I'm being metaphorical when I say that.
	Like, it's genuine hatred of everything good.
	And yeah, this Charlie Kirk thing has just really revealed this.
	And she's gone, right?
	Okay.
	I said the other day, she DM'd me and was like, you were right.
	I was wrong.
	They are evil.
	They're bad people.
	You're right.
	And I was like, don't worry.
	You know, she's like, I'm sorry.
	I was like, don't worry, nothing to forgive.
	I totally get it.
	And, you know, at least her husband's a really cool guy.
	He's called Eudaimonia on Twitter.
	And he and I have shared a very sort of similar intellectual trajectory coming out of liberalism.
	And so I know that she's got someone sensible, you know, around her as well who can properly explain exactly what the problem is here.
	So honestly, I think she's going to do great.
	I think she's going to be fine.
	When is Elon guessing?
	Yeah, I know, right?
	You should add Ken's theme back to the end of your vids like you did in the old days.
	Well, the thing is, the guy who owns that decided he was going to copyright claim everything, which is completely fair.
	It's completely within his right.
	It didn't matter when I was demonetized, but now I'm remonetized.
	I can't have that.
	So I can't, I'm afraid.
	Which is a shame because, I mean, I can't remember that chap's name.
	Was it Family Jewels or something?
	But he spectacular, spectacular rendition that I absolutely loved.
	But yeah, what can you do?
	What can you do?
	Is there any hope of convincing Dev's to stop being a shitlib?
	I don't think so.
	Like, I just want to be clear.
	I have no beef with Dev.
	Absolutely none.
	I still watch his videos.
	He's a very smart chap.
	I just think he is just so emotionally committed to the sort of centrist liberal thing that he will.
	Regardless of what your argument is, find himself coming back to that thing because he needs it for whatever reason.
	I think he needs to feel right on this.
	And it's like, okay, well, I'll let you do it, man.
	You know, I'm not going to.
	I'm not going to argue the toss.
	Yeah, there was a Patriot March in Glasgow today, wasn't there?
	And I saw the, um...
	Oh, Mr. Obvious be nice.
	He's not here.
	He's not a bad guy.
	Again, Dev is one of those people I trust with money, right?
	This is how I judge whether I think someone's actually a good, good or bad person.
	If I needed them to look after like a million dollars for me, would I expect to get it back?
	And from Dev, I would expect to get it back.
	Like from Sean Head, I'd expect to get it back.
	From Tim Paul, I'd expect to get it back.
	And so this is the thing.
	I genuinely consider these people good people.
	Even if in some ways I might ideologically disagree with them or whatever it is, you know, blah, blah, blah.
	Like, you know, they're still good people.
	Even though Dev, he likes winding people up because he doesn't mind being hated.
	And it's like, okay, man, but you don't want that.
	That's not good.
	You know, Dev doesn't hate me now.
	Dev's just autistic.
	What do you make of the Overton window dissonance between the establishment and public sentiment?
	E.g., BBC still insists on calling Tommy Robinson far right, even though the actual right views him as a centrist.
	And even if Tommy Robinson is far right, and in some ways they're not wrong, because it's actually the sort of pre-rational gamonzilla that Tommy is the representation of, that is the far right.
	It's not, quote-unquote, racist in the way that an ideological internet racist is.
	It is more about us and ours versus them and theirs.
	And it perceives things in that sort of thymotic frame.
	And that is far right because it's not ideological.
	But the dissonance between the establishment and public sentiment is actually really enjoyable.
	You can see it primarily in places like the news agents, Lewis Goodall, like constantly fidgeting and shifting and sweating.
	They know something has happened.
	They know that they don't represent a majority public opinion anymore.
	And they always flattered themselves into thinking that they did because they had the intellectual tools to be able to disarm people.
	But now every day, I'm like, LBC, James O'Brien and all the other shitlib hosts are constantly arguing with people they would just flat out describe as racists who are just like, I don't want my country taken by foreigners.
	I don't want to have to spend loads of money on foreigners coming here.
	I just want them deported.
	I want my country back.
	And they're like, oh, right, every fucking caller is a racist then, are they?
	It's like, well, yeah, kind of from your position.
	You would call them racists.
	Yeah.
	They're not hateful people.
	You mean racist to mean hateful.
	The sort of person, like, at the time, there were a couple of guys with England flags on their backs who went up to some Indian to get a curry.
	And it was like, well, well, well, what do we have here?
	The racists are eating an Indian curry.
	Can you believe it?
	It's like, yes.
	Like, they don't want infinity migrants in their country.
	They will never touch something that didn't originate on British soil.
	Like, it's actually a very easy distinction to make.
	But for some reason, they can't make it.
	And the only legitimate view of nativism they even recognize is the kind of Steve Law's hardcore blood and soil nationalism, right?
	That's the only thing they, and if you're not that, they essentially call you a hypocrite.
	And it's very interesting how that's what they kind of are pushing people into by calling like Tommy and all these people that, which they're not, you know, they're not that.
	But yeah, no, the cognitive dissonance between the distance between of the public with the elite is definitely something they feel and they're afraid.
	And that's why the Liberal Democrat Conference are like, here's the British flag.
	We're reclaiming patriotism from the far right.
	It's like, yeah, I know, because we're the patriots and you know we're the patriots.
	And you're like, but we don't hate our country.
	It's like, that's good to hear from the Liberal Democrats.
	You don't hate our country.
	Superb.
	Starmer's like, real patriotism is being a communist, blah, blah, blah.
	You know, like they understand that actually the winds are in the sails of the patriots.
	They understand that we are shifting the energy of the entire conversation in this country.
	If you're going to pretend you're not a fucking patriot, sorry, if you're not going to pretend you're a patriot, you are going to get nowhere in the next decade or so in British politics.
	And they can feel it.
	And the thing is, they've spent their entire careers being like, we hate Britain.
	We love Europe.
	We love foreigners.
	We love Muslims.
	We love this.
	We love that.
	We love anything that isn't the native British.
	And so Nigel Farage, who, to his credit, is a patriot, like one of the few people in British politics who actually authentically is a patriot and actually does have a history of standing up for Britain as Britain, in Farage's case in Brexit, but also with anti-immigration stuff.
	Like, this is something that he will always beat them on, because he can always just take that step to the right and go a little bit harder if he wants to, that they'll always be afraid of doing.
	And so their patriotism will always be the patriotism of the great replacement, frankly.
	And it's like, sorry, that's not patriotism and no one sees it.
	So, you know, you can say what you like, but nobody thinks that's patriotic.
	Jugu says, Carl, my father has been increasingly aggressive towards me since Trump became president.
	What should I do?
	Honestly, just concede.
	Just concede.
	Don't fight your father.
	Never fight your father.
	He's wrong, obviously, but he is your father, first and foremost.
	So you have to show him deference and respect.
	You don't have to argue the toss with him.
	You can know that he's wrong, but just don't ruin your relationship with him.
	Maybe you can have long conversations with him and just allow him to pull those positions and just seed a couple of things.
	And maybe the seeds will grow into something as things go along.
	But yeah, don't damage your relationship with your father.
	Of all the people in the world, your mother and father, don't damage your relationship with them.
	It's not shocking to have estranged brothers or sisters or cousins.
	But don't ruin your relationship with your father.
	Your country is Christian.
	It's fundamental.
	I hope your visits to church remind you who your saviour is.
	Well, I appreciate the $99 and I do enjoy going, but it really is not for me.
	And the thing is, it's not that I don't want to have that for me.
	It's just, I just know.
	I don't know how to describe it, man.
	I do genuinely feel that I've made a wheelchair and a bunch of you are just like, why don't you just get up and walk?
	I'm like, yeah, yeah, why not?
	I would love to.
	But yeah, no, but I'm not at all adverse to helping other people.
	Crazy Google says, is your dad black?
	I love your stuff, but I heard of this controversy.
	Oh my god.
	So I guess.
	Hi, Teal Deer.
	How are you?
	Didn't realize we had a beef.
	So there's an old, old skeptic YouTuber who went quite hard, right?
	Called Teal Deer.
	And V sent me a video they had made about me the other day.
	And man, was this video dripping with venom?
	It was just insanely malicious.
	And I was just like, I don't actually remember having a beef with him.
	I always used to like his videos because he would do very thorough breakdowns of feminist bullshit and other, you know, whatever leftist stuff.
	And I don't watch YouTube anymore.
	It's not that I don't want to watch YouTube.
	I just don't have time.
	Like, I mean, I've spent my entire day on my Kindle getting references.
	I'll tell you, just quick aside, Kindles are amazing.
	I wish I'd got one years ago.
	It's so useful to have literally a library of books in something that weighs a pound or two to be able to just read when you're on the train or something like that, right?
	But I just work all the time.
	And so, like, I don't, if there are people out there making hate videos against me, I don't see them.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't really watch anything.
	And anything I do end up watching is non-political stuff because obviously all day I'm in the office doing political stuff.
	And then I come home at night and I've got to do political stuff on my off time.
	And so I don't scroll through YouTube on my subscriptions.
	So I don't see anything.
	So anyway, V sends me this video.
	And it is.
	Let me get some.
	So we did a lad's hour a couple of weeks ago with our DNA tests.
	And I really enjoyed doing this because I'd never done DNA tests before.
	And it revealed how black I was.
	And the answer is partially, but not very.
	But I didn't think I was very black.
	And I'll get the thing.
	Let me find it.
	There we go.
	Wow.
	12,000 views on the website.
	That's a lot.
	Am I logged in?
	Let me see if I can log in.
	I'll get the thing up.
	I'm not logged in.
	right so this is uh lads hour so So, as you can see, go sign up to the website to watch this full thing.
	There's me as a handsome young man with a mullet.
	I must have been about four or five years old there.
	I look just like my oldest son.
	Exactly like him, actually.
	But I'm having a hug with my granddad.
	Now, this is my granddad, who I said was quote-unquote black.
	If you look at him, looks pretty black to me.
	And it was always just like, oh, he's black.
	So, yeah.
	Kiefer, Empire Slop genotype.
	Yeah, yes, actually.
	Like, complete mongrel from the empire.
	I didn't know.
	I'd never, I'd never, he was from St. Helena, right?
	And so I don't know.
	It was always just, you know, he was the one black guy in the village in Somerset.
	And so it was always just one of those things where it was like, you know, I hadn't thought about it.
	And he died when I was 13.
	And so, you know, 20 years later, in my head, he's just, he's black, right?
	I mean, and he is partially, kind of.
	But it turns out he's not that black.
	I can get the actual right.
	Oh, you can't see it.
	But basically, I'm about 5% sub-Saharan African.
	I'm not even joking.
	1% Zulu.
	5% Bantu.
	I'm not even joking.
	About 5% Indian, 2% Bangladesh or Bengal or something.
	1% Cornish, 5% Swedish, 6% German.
	Stuff like this.
	Go watch it.
	I'm a complete mudblood.
	Like, I'm half Welsh, quarter English.
	So 46% Welsh, 26% English, and then complete mudblood.
	And he made this video that was just so angry because he was like, see, you're only 5% African, not like quarter African.
	And I was just like, okay, I don't think that matters that much.
	I mean, like, the actual, in the social context of being a man who looks like that in like the 1950s and 60s in Somerset, he got called black a lot.
	Everyone thought of him as black.
	He died before DNA testing happened.
	And I watched this video and then TLD was so angry.
	I was just like, mate, I don't even know what I've done.
	I don't even know what I did to you to make you this angry.
	And honestly, right?
	I'm happy to apologize.
	Whatever it was, and I'm sorry that I can't even remember.
	I didn't think we were enemies.
	And I'm really sorry that I've done something to offend you.
	I wasn't trying to.
	And you can complain about Millennial Woes.
	And I've apologized to him on the podcast.
	And so I don't know what to tell you other than I'm sorry and I'm not looking for enemies to the right.
	I don't really want a beef with you.
	I don't really want to beef with anyone.
	And the picture that you've got saved on your phone that you think is of my ass, check the at on it because you'll see that it's Sargon O, a zero, rather than of.
	That's not me, you fucking moron.
	Duh.
	Anyway, that's that settled.
	I'm sure that'll never come up again.
	Seriously, though, I don't know why he's got a spurgy hatred of me, frankly.
	Honestly, I'm happy to apologize.
	Whatever it is, I'm sorry that happened.
	I don't credit any of you for my move to the right, by the way.
	You know, Millennial Woes, TLD, whoever it is, I don't credit any of you.
	No, I went and did my degree, and it was learning about liberalism that dragged me to the right.
	It was learning what liberalism was, how it functions, how it conceives itself, how it constructs itself rationally, and what it's aiming to do that made me realize that actually this is not correct.
	And it was reading Edmund Burke, actually, that brought me much, much, much more to the right.
	Noel Face says 5% of Sargon does 50% of the violent crime.
	Might be true.
	Yeah, purebred Dan.
	Well, I don't know if I'm going to call Irish purebred.
	I mean, you know, just saying.
	But no, unironically, Dan's genetics come from literally the primordial super Britain.
	so funny but um but yeah seriously though i i think i've uh i think i've apologized to everyone over everything um Again, I'm sorry, I just, and this is why I'm not like just a hardline ethnic, I think.
	Because I didn't go down your road.
	I didn't follow you.
	I didn't take your talking points.
	I came to all of my conclusions myself.
	You don't have to agree with them.
	But then I haven't really explained how I got there.
	So maybe you won't know.
	But anyway, yeah, nothing but wish you the best.
	Hope you do well.
	Hope everything's going well for you.
	And hopefully we can bury the hatchet.
	Because, like I said, I'm just not looking for enemies.
	I'm actually tired of enemies, frankly.
	But yeah.
	But ironically, I genuinely thought, like, he, like, I have no idea what his genetic makeup was.
	But, I mean, I knew, I knew it was going to be some Africa and probably some India in him.
	And when it came back as that, basically, I was like, yeah, there we go.
	He had more European in him than I expected, though.
	I mean, it's hard to tell, right?
	But he doesn't look like he's got much European on him when you see the pictures.
	And I, you know, he died when I was 13, so I don't really remember what he actually looks like.
	And my sister sent me this picture the other day.
	Like, we weren't wealthy, right?
	So we didn't have cameras all the place.
	And there's not, you know, loads of footage of me.
	In fact, there are bugger all pictures of me when I was a kid.
	And my sister sent me this the other day.
	And it was nice to see, frankly.
	It was like, all right, you know, because I can hardly remember him.
	You know, like, I'm 46 now.
	Like, he died 33 years ago.
	I could barely remember him.
	And that's honestly one of the sad things about aging, genuinely.
	It's the sad things about aging is that you forget.
	But anyway, but I did love him very much.
	He's a very, very kind man.
	Very kind man.
	Very strict man as well.
	Very disciplined, disciplinarian.
	But very kind man.
	He taught me to play chess.
	And that was lovely.
	And he loved the cricket.
	My first memory of my grandfather is him taking us to Yovil cricket ground to watch the cricket.
	And man, did I fucking hate the cricket?
	Cricket was boring.
	It was like going to church.
	But my granddad loved it.
	Absolutely loved it.
	Yeah.
	So anyway, what are we doing?
	Long time watch since the early days says, Zilzal, I want to say thanks for everything.
	Without you, I could easily have been taken in by early BreadTube.
	Once leftists insert their values, it's a hard thing to undo.
	Well, you know what's interesting?
	We did a little BreadTube thing the other day, and most of BreadTube has basically retreated from the internet at this point.
	They make like a video a year, and it's like, okay, do you guys even make content?
	It's like, well, they have their Patreons.
	And the only ones who are actually still doing quite well are actually Vorsch and Hassan.
	They're the only ones who are still basically punching the clock and fighting the culture war.
	The rest of them have basically retreated from it, which I don't blame them.
	I mean, they've lost.
	But you may remember it back in 2021.
	Again, go watch the Lads Hour, actually.
	This is the latest Lads Hour.
	Yeah, the one on BreadTube.
	What happened to BreadTube?
	Go watch that because it's good fun, frankly, to just go through what they're doing with themselves now.
	And the answer is basically nothing.
	They're basically not doing anything.
	And it's okay.
	That was fun.
	And I think that we've won, frankly.
	And I think they've no one.
	Because the framing of BreadTube is always like, oh, these guys are going to win the hearts and minds of the internet.
	It's like, have they, though?
	The internet seems really far right these days.
	But yeah, anyway, glad you're here, by the way, Zilzal.
	Hungary took action on identify.
	Yeah, I covered on the podcast the other day.
	Don't worry.
	How will we collectively stop Hairstalm implement digital ID?
	Well, I don't think we will, frankly.
	I think that what we'll have to do is elect a government that is mentally far right and then just repeal it.
	We don't have to tolerate it.
	Do you know the Muslim Brotherhood's grand jihadist?
	If you don't, you should.
	No, I don't really talk about Islam that much.
	I'm going to skip the Christian one.
	Sorry, we've talked about it enough.
	I might want to talk with Raymond Ibrahim, a Christian Egyptian-American who studied Islam thoroughly.
	Maybe, like, I'm not interested in actually debating Muslims either.
	Like, that doesn't interest me in any way, shape, or form, actually.
	Like, you know, I know they believe bonker stuff, and I don't really want them believing over here.
	Cyberbully says, as a fellow Luton lad, I understand why Tommy would say that.
	It's basically a very politically active normie.
	We've been a minority for a long time.
	Yeah, well, that's the thing as well.
	Yeah, he's from Luton, which, you know, so he's going to be friends with a lot of people in these communities who are kind to him and who are sympathetic in many ways.
	So he doesn't want to be hostile to people that he cares about.
	And I do completely understand it.
	But like I said, he's not the politician, right?
	He's the guy that is leading the movement, but he's not the politician.
	Angel says, big government in its spending is choking the life out of the West.
	Entitlement programs have to go until then.
	There's no fixing the main problem, which is birth rates.
	Could be wrong, but upward spend correlates with downward birth rate.
	Yes, but that's not a question, but I agree with you.
	So I guess we'll move on.
	Why is it bad to be a utilitarian pleasure seeker?
	Because fundamentally, it's a downward spiral into hedonism.
	Mill and Epicurus can suck my dick on this one.
	They're completely wrong.
	And the number of PhD women who go into OnlyFans proves it.
	Like, I'm sorry, they're just wrong.
	When pleasure is the only metric by which to measure success or moral goodness, the thing that gives the most immediate and visceral pleasure becomes the most desirable thing.
	Now, it is pleasurable to read a book and understand a new argument and fully comprehend, you know, a very smart man's doctrine or whatever it is.
	But that is a very long-term form of pleasure.
	And really, you could more call it satisfaction, which itself is pleasant, but is not as sensory as the physical pleasures and far less immediate.
	And it's ridiculous to think that that would somehow win out over the majority population when it comes to measuring pleasure and pain as the arbitrars of moral good or the highest values one can attain.
	So it's obvious that people will just go down a hedonistic route of self-indulgence, which is bad for them and not good.
	Bad things are not good, and therefore I don't think you should do that.
	that's why that's bad.
	Sorry, I'm refreshing this.
	The completely ambivalent reaction Trump states with it told you about the mood of the country.
	Couldn't even be bothered to protest the cheer.
	Well, there was a protest, but it was only attended by very hardline leftists, which apparently they got 5,000 people out, which was a tiny number, considering the number we just had on the bloody streets.
	I think half a million to a million is a very reasonable estimate of the number of people Tommy got out as well.
	I do think that's real.
	It was way more than 100,000.
	Way more.
	And you're right.
	It was only the shitlibs and their activists that cared, and that was a tiny number.
	And Trump was like, there wasn't a major scandal from it, right?
	Trump basically got Starmer to agree with him on everything because Starmer's weak and came out looking quite nice, looking quite good, quite normal, frankly.
	And he was very kind and complimentary to Britain.
	He does, he obviously cares a lot about our country.
	And so he was just given good advice on how to fix the country.
	Kierstama won't take any of it, obviously.
	And he's going to lie to his face over and over and over.
	But it was all good.
	And Trump came out looking pretty nice, pretty good.
	Why wouldn't we have a favorable opinion of him?
	He's obviously looking out for us, you know.
	And so, yeah, you're all right.
	The mood of the country is, yeah, we're kind of okay with Trump, actually.
	If we had our own Trump, it would be pretty good.
	Have you read the Malazan Book of the Fallen?
	No, I have not.
	But thank you.
	I appreciate the suggestion.
	Weeby Can says, followed your work on Onoff since 2015-ish, and it's only improved over the years.
	Well, thank you very much.
	I've worked really hard.
	Question: Where does American find right-wing friends in Edinburgh?
	I don't know.
	I don't go to Edinburgh.
	I've been there once.
	It was nice.
	You know, it was very nice, actually.
	But I'm not from Edinburgh, and it's a long way away from where I live.
	I'm at the total other end of the country.
	so i can't make any recommendations there um what are my thoughts on nick fuences's viewership boom in the wake of charlie kirk's death Keep up the great work.
	I think that Nick Fuentes was bought off by Israel.
	I think they came to him one day and they said, Look, it's the money or the bullet.
	Make a choice, Nick.
	And Nick was like, Well, you know what?
	I do like money and I don't like bullets.
	I'm joking.
	I'm joking.
	I DM'd him that the other day.
	It's really funny.
	I don't mind Nick at all, actually.
	I think he's all right.
	And I actually really think that his maturation recently is to his credit and to his strengths, right?
	I actually do think it's good that he matures because whether you like it or not, I think Nick Fuentes does represent, again, in the same way that Tommy represents the genuine spirit of the English people.
	They're not hateful, they're not racist, they're not ideological.
	They just want to, they just want someone to fix things, right?
	In that kind of way, Nick Fuentes, I think, does represent a large percentage of American Zuma men.
	Now, I don't think he really represents like British Zuma men.
	I've met a lot of British Zumas, and it's not that they don't like it's not they hate him or something, they just don't seem to feel the same sort of connection with Fuentes that the American Zuma men do.
	But he does represent, I think, a very large portion of the American Zuma men.
	And one problem that the Zumers have is being trapped in a kind of state of perpetual adolescence.
	The millennials were desperate to live in a state of perpetual adolescence, but kind of had adulthood thrust upon them and they're resentful of it.
	What I like about Nick Fuentes' current character arc, if we can call it that, is that he's kind of willingly moving into a more mature mold, which I think is actually going to be a good example for the huge number of young men who look at him as a role model and as an icon.
	And I think that's actually really a good thing.
	His position on Israel.
	I saw a clip going around because, like I said, I don't have time to watch anything, but I saw a clip going around where he was like, Look, there wasn't a suspect for like three days, and everyone's like, Why aren't you yelling that this Israel?
	And it's like, Well, that's actually what I came to.
	I've had these conversations with a few of my sort of online friends, and they're like, We think it's Israel.
	And I was like, Well, okay, but what's the evidence this is Israel?
	And they're like, There is none at all.
	And I'm like, Well, there we go.
	You know, like I could believe that it might be the case, but like, there's no evidence for it.
	So, what are we saying here?
	You know, it seems to be a radicalized transgender lefty or fetishist lefty who hates Charlie Kirk.
	And Charlie Kirk is a figure of hate for the left.
	Like, you don't understand how famous Charlie Kirk was and how much they hated him in these circles.
	So, it's completely plausible that someone would have gone and shot him.
	I don't know either way, right?
	But, like, it's completely plausible.
	And the fact that Nick Fuentes did pause and was like, Well, I mean, it could be anything, and I need the evidence is actually really to his credit.
	Um, and so I just think you know, I think he is changing, and I think he is maturing, and I think that is good.
	Because the problem with the groipers that I really disliked about Fuentes and the Gropers back when they sort of first hit the scene, um, I enjoyed them trolling Charlie Kirk, actually, uh, groping him, which was actually good.
	And I think Charlie that was a really good thing for him to mature his own thinking as well.
	Um, but they had they still have a habit of portraying themselves in an utterly vile way online that is not respectable in any way, shape, or form.
	I think Nick is slowly but surely dragging them out of that kind of childish mold and hopefully making half-decent adults out of them.
	Um, now I might live to eat these words because, of course, who knows what happens tomorrow, right?
	Who knows what happens?
	Maybe he goes completely the other way and decides he was wrong or decided to go in this direction or whatever.
	But I'm actually kind of optimistic about the direction he's taking them in, and uh, I guess, I guess we'll find out, won't we?
	But, um, but yeah, no, I don't mind Nick.
	Um, again, he's like one of those sort of figures on the landscape that even if you don't agree with him on anything, uh, you're kind of glad that they're like kind of like Ash Sarkar, to be honest.
	I'm kind of glad Ash Sarkar is there because she's a brilliant foil to use when she's like, Oh no, I can't believe they're weaponizing identity politics on the right.
	It's like, oh no, how is this happening to me?
	It's like, yeah, fuck you, you know.
	But I'm glad that exists so I can use that as an example when I want to make the point.
	Um, and that's the thing.
	Like, I'm just glad that all I think this is a really interesting political landscape that we exist in the internet, on the internet at this time.
	And a lot of it is to do with Elon Musk, you know, say what you like about Elon Musk, but he brought everyone back, and it was genuinely like coming back from the dead, you know, for a lot of us.
	And so, it was just I like it, and I'm happy to see it.
	Like, I like that Sam Hyde has got a Twitter account and can put out his like, you know, five-hour-long video interventions that are genuinely quite good.
	Like that one, that this is you the other day.
	I only watched the beginning, sort of 10 minutes, obviously, but that was powerful, man.
	And without Sam Hyde being a fixture on the landscape, well, we couldn't have had that.
	And it's that kind of thing that I like to see.
	I like to see the actual I hate to see discourse, hate to use the word discourse, but I actually like to see the organic, authentic discourse happening.
	And it's a privilege to be a part of it, frankly, you know.
	John the Beard, I'm not skipping yours, it's just that you're talking about Jesus.
	And I told you earlier that I'm going to skip the ones that are about Jesus because we've talked about that.
	And there are other things I'd like to talk about.
	Am I still friends with Dev?
	I mean, I wouldn't say necessarily, but I'm not his enemy or anything.
	Big Mike.
	Hey again, Mike.
	How's it going?
	Stop selling people dreams.
	You can't even debate Muslims like Ali Dara and Muhammad Hijab.
	There is no revival.
	Clearly, the UK will be Islamic.
	You have cognitive dissonance in Islam.
	I mean, at least when the UK does become Islamic, I stand to benefit.
	I'm a man.
	I'm going to do great with the Islamic Takeover.
	So, you know, it's not all doom and gloom on the horizon.
	Favorite EFAP episode?
	Man, I love, you know, the EFAP guys, but I don't have time to watch that.
	I don't have time to watch anything.
	How have I got time to watch EFAP?
	Yeah, no, I saw Mr. Obvious.
	I like Mr. Obvious.
	I hope he got his channel remonetized, man.
	They remonetized a load of channels, my included, and loads of others.
	I hope they remonetized his as well.
	Again, he's part of the sort of family of faces, as AA would call it.
	Any plans for a forum on the website in the future?
	Not with the fucking online safety bill.
	There isn't.
	No, sorry.
	It's not that I'm against the idea, but the online safety bill, AA, it's something we'd have to moderate anyway, right?
	And that's, frankly, time and resources that I think could be better spent elsewhere.
	But with the online safety bill, holy shit, man, not a chance.
	Like, they could use, there have been loads of forums that are not political in any way.
	What was the one?
	It was like squirrel watching forum or some bullshit like that, a horse riding forum.
	Like, just normal, normie forums getting shut down because the online safety bill puts them at severe legal liability.
	So it's just like, oh, okay, that's wild.
	Like, but that's the overreach of the online safety bill.
	Which, by the way, was done by Nadine Doris and the Tories.
	So great.
	Thanks very much.
	Thank you, Mario.
	I'm not going to read that out.
	Nolfe says, wait, you're black.
	I'm unsubbing.
	Man, that's the thing.
	Some people are unsubbing because I'm slightly black.
	Other people are unsubbing because I'm not black enough.
	It's like, look, Teal dear, just re-sub, man.
	But I do have the N-Word pass.
	That's correct.
	Have you ever considered bringing back This Week in Stupid?
	No, to be honest.
	I've not.
	I enjoyed doing This Week in Stupid, but it's weird to say, but it was a lot of work.
	And it didn't feel like it was a lot of work, but it was.
	It'd be my entire Sunday doing This Week in Stupid.
	I would prepare things during the week.
	And it did great and everything, but like, I'm glad to have ended it on a high note.
	I'm glad to have ended it with like, what was I getting?
	350,000 views an episode, something like that.
	It was really, really good.
	And, you know, I'm glad you all liked it, but it was tiring.
	I was just becoming burnt out.
	Excuse me.
	And it was just better not.
	You know, better to stop before I made it shit, basically.
	Lads, I was hella.
	Yeah, Pure Bread, yeah.
	Drill rap album drop went, man.
	Tell me about it.
	Right.
	I just love the fact that I've got blue eyes and all my kids have got blue eyes, though.
	You know, say what you like, but we've all got blue eyes.
	I'm going to skip the Africa ones as well.
	Has Akeelah Hughes paid me yet?
	Oh, God, yeah.
	Like years ago.
	Like, I set up Load Seaters with the money Aquila paid me.
	Like, that literally, that was what the money that she paid me is the money that went into setting up load seaters.
	So, yeah, yeah, that was thanks, Aquila.
	The makers of the Rogue Tech mod for Battle Tech danced on Charlie's Grave 2.
	Well, you know what, right?
	This is going to be a very niche thing to say from my pondering channel.
	But I actually uninstalled that mod, not because of them doing that.
	I did it before that.
	I was just kind of tired of the amount that's in it.
	I didn't really enjoy it.
	It was just too much.
	So, yeah, I'm not using it.
	Love to see you do a deep dive in central banking.
	Well, the thing is, it seems that that's all out there now, right?
	Like, everyone's seen the sort of conspiracy videos about the central banks and stuff, and it's probably all true.
	I don't know, you know, anything about it.
	But it just strikes me, I don't think it would be very useful for me to do.
	I think it would just be like me.
	I think that the narrative has been set, right?
	I mean, I read David Rockefeller's memoirs, and he was just like, Yeah, I'm a proud internationalist, and I want all of this to happen.
	And it's just like, oh, okay.
	There we go.
	There we are.
	I guess he's just saying it.
	So, I mean, again, I don't know, you know.
	Do you still have the Antifar banner as a trophy?
	I do.
	Let me see if I've got it around.
	You've got to keep the trophies, lads.
	Got to keep those trophies.
	When you win and you win big, got to make sure they know it.
	Let me get rid of that.
	You've got to make sure they know it.
	Goes on your wall.
	You've got to keep it forever.
	You took this from the enemy.
	That's what you've got to tell them.
	Starting my first law and politics undergrad on Monday.
	What political theory is the best to read?
	First primary source to get very informed.
	I mean, there's not really any one book I'd point to.
	You can probably just find some primer on political theory.
	But just any sort of, you know, first-year university course political science book will be fine.
	They'll give you the basic outline of what the different political theories are and why they are there as they are.
	It's really warm in here.
	I don't know why it's so warm in my bloody office.
	I didn't put my AC on, so I'm taking this off.
	But it's actually boiling.
	Make sure I should have put my bloody.
	Thing is, it's like the end of September, so I didn't think it'd be warm.
	I'm sweating.
	But yeah, any first-year political science book, lecture book, should be fine, to be honest.
	Have I included Emmanuel Levinas in my studies?
	I have not.
	I've never heard of him, I'm afraid.
	I'm afraid there are loads of super chats that I'm not going to be able to get through because it's gone midnight and I have to be up early to fucking go to church.
	I can't believe saying it.
	Yeah, I took one of Napoleon's Eagles.
	Exactly.
	Although Napoleon was not nearly as cringe as Antifar.
	So that's good.
	What book should every Englishman read?
	Man, I do like Churchill's English History of the English Speaking Peoples.
	I made my son read it.
	And so I was there listening to him reading it all out.
	And it was really good, actually.
	You know, whatever your thoughts on Churchill are, his History of the English Speaking Peoples is very, very good.
	Never Goon.
	I just read a $2 super chat.
	The problem is time really.
	And a lot of them were sort of repeats of other things I'd read.
	So I'm trying to get through it.
	But anyway, thank you all for joining me.
	This was a fun little chat.
	I thought, you know, sorry I didn't have a presentation, but like, I just didn't have time to make one.
	I'm tired.
	God, I'm so tired.
	But yeah, thanks for joining me, folks.
	And I'll doubtless make a CAD daily video tomorrow.
	So I'll see you then.
	And follow the link in the description.
	Go sign up for Letters Eaters.
	£5 a month.
	Keep us online.
	Go Islander.
	And come and join me at the First Fleet Forum as well if you're in Australia because I'm sure it'll be fun.
	I've never been to Australia before.
	Not looking forward to the 24-hour flight and then not even getting me first class.
	Can you believe it?

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