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May 14, 2025 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin
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The Starminator Destroys the Consensus on Immigration

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Hello.
I think I'm live.
Just waiting for it all to finish doing whatever it does on the back end, and then we will be ready to discuss the most remarkable doing whatever it does on the back end.
Ah, shut up.
Shut up, me.
Yeah, the most remarkable change in British politics that I've seen in quite some time.
This is incredible, frankly.
We'll get people find the stream first because, of course, YouTube isn't telling everyone it's here.
But hello, hello, chat.
Hope you're doing very well.
I just got back from rock climbing.
There's a big, there's a really, really long climbing wall that's like slanted at like 45 degrees called the Beast.
I actually managed to do it today, so I'm quite pleased with myself.
But I'm aching.
But yeah, so remarkable things are happening in British politics at the moment.
And they are having a meltdown, an absolute meltdown over this.
Because what has happened signals an absolute and categoric paradigm shift with the way that immigration was treated for the last 30, well, at least 25 years in Britain.
And a lot of people are going to be left kind of holding the bag on this, demanding that unlimited mass immigration is an unalloyed, unmitigated good.
And Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and Labour Party leader, has decided, no, actually, it's been bad for us.
In fact, in his words, quote unquote, unmitigated disaster.
That is shocking language.
Absolutely shocking.
So this is a map of the census from 2021, as you can see, done by ethnicity.
The darker the blue, the more ethnically homogeneous and English the area is, and Welsh in this case.
And the lighter the blue to sort of greeny yellow, the lower.
And so you can see that London, about a third English, Birmingham, about 40% English, Leicester, 30% English, Luton, 30% English, etc.
Peterborough, 60% English.
The trend has been pretty catastrophic.
And the Boris wave really nailed this on the head for people.
So town centers all across the country just came instantly diversified, even if you weren't living in one of the areas that has been hit like a bomb.
And this has been something that people have said over and over and over that they don't want since the 1960s when immigration first started really becoming a feature of British life.
People didn't want this.
And every time they've had the opportunity to vote when the issue has been salient, they have voted against.
In, say, 2011, David Cameron and Nick Clegg promised to get it down to the tens of thousands.
When it came to Theresa May, promised to get it down to the tens of thousands.
Came to Boris Johnson, promised to get it down to the tens of thousands and backstabbed us in the process.
Brexit itself, the first main issue was sovereignty, but the second was immigration.
And of course, we are now stuck with Keir Starmer, who seems to have finally gotten the message through his thick head that we actually don't want to lose the entire country and hand it away to foreigners.
And this is actually bad.
And so Keir Starmer came out and gave this speech two days ago.
And I've left this for two days just to see, let the dust settle, let the fallout come down.
Because, holy crap, are they mad about this?
And you know what?
If they're mad, then we're winning.
Because if they weren't angry, then we wouldn't be doing anything to piss them off and to make them feel like they were losing something.
And they do need to feel like they're losing something.
Now, I won't go through this because it's 26 minutes long, but the highlights are, yeah, Cameron.
I've been enjoying the reaction too.
I mean, they've just been furious, absolutely furious.
So, the highlights are, again, Starmer calling mass immigration a Tory betrayal.
Totally true.
An open borders experiment, which he had called that previously, actually.
So, this isn't the first time that he's mentioned something like this.
But an open borders experiment that's been run on the country.
True, but the Labour Party did that as well.
And he called it, again, the unmitigated disaster, which I mean, yes, obviously, it's been an unmitigated disaster.
I think all the rape gangs would also imply that it's been an unmitigated disaster.
And also, during the QA at the end of this, one gen stands up and bravely toes what was up until this point the reliable Labour Party line.
But immigrants make us richer, immigrants are good for the economy.
And Kierstama just stops him flat and says, No, they're not.
We've had unbelievable amounts of immigration four years and zero economic growth.
You're wrong, my friend.
It's just like, oh, wow.
So, Keir Starmer, it is not overstating the fact to say, has adopted the far-right position and narrative on immigration overnight, almost out of nowhere.
Like I said, there have been previous times where he has actually mentioned this, but it was never anything very hard.
And so, the government has written a white paper, which they think will reduce immigration by hundreds of thousands a year, meaning the net will be something like 500,000 rather than nearly a million, maybe.
And again, this is all very unlikely, but we'll get to that in a minute.
But the point is, Keir Starmer is saying, no, immigration, bad.
That's what everyone heard from this.
And he's right.
This is the far-right position.
Now, of course, he did his best.
Well, I'm not saying diversity is bad or anything like that.
It's just the scale of immigration into Britain is destroying us.
And it's true.
And so you might think, okay, well, he's come out and just made this statement.
That will be the end of it.
It could be a life-bringing digital ID.
We'll think about that in a bit.
But the point being, he could have just left it at that and then swept it under the rug.
And the powers that be, the mainstream media, the other politicians, would have carried on in their merry little bubble narratives.
But he didn't do this.
What he has done with this 26-minute talk, he provided moral and practical arguments against mass immigration.
He has come out and stated that the direction of travel for the Labour government now is against mass immigration.
And he followed this up with a series of posts on Twitter, which honestly could have come out of any right-winger's mouth.
If you want to live in the UK, you should speak English.
That's common sense.
So we're raising English language requirements across every immigration route.
My God, that pissed them all off.
And I mean, Viva Fry here pointing out, a guy got arrested for saying this.
Like people should speak English in England.
A guy got arrested for this.
And Kier Starmer is saying, no, you know what?
The new regime is now that you're in England, speak English, you foreigners.
And they've been spurking out about this for days, literally days.
So does that mean if I go to Wales, I should speak Welsh?
Sure, why not?
Yeah, I'm totally down for it.
What about people who go to Spain and don't speak Spanish?
Then the Spanish should kick them out, then, shouldn't they?
And in fact, I hope the Spanish do kick them out.
So we have a precedent.
Say, right, not an English speaker.
Out.
Yeah.
Like, it's amazing how much, again, until yesterday sort of thing, his most ardent supporters are suddenly like, oh, wait.
I mean, this was, it would be literally like if Nigel Farage gets in power and then goes, you know, I'm joining the WEF and we're going to become global Britain and I'm going to bring in every Indian under the sun.
Thanks for voting me into power, lads.
That's how these people feel.
They feel truly betrayed, truly backstabbed by Keir Starmer, because they were supporting him as the globalist candidate to further swamp this country with foreigners.
That's why they supported him.
That's what they thought he was going to do.
And Keir Starmer has turned around and said, no, I've received new programming, presumably from Tony Blair, because where else is he going to get it from?
And I, the Starminator, can only fulfill my mission.
Whatever my program is, I'm going to do it to the maximum degree.
Until now, it was universal human rights.
And let's be clear, there is plenty and just absolutely tons of speeches that Starmer has given completely in favor of mass immigration, being like, look, we need to make the case for why swamping England with unlimited impoverished foreigners is a good thing, actually.
But no, he's received his software update now.
And so the Starminator is just going to start gunning down left wingers who oppose him on immigration.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
You know, so like I said, it's a total betrayal.
Complete and total betrayal.
Yeah.
National Socialist Prime Minister was not on my bingo card for 2025.
That's correct.
He is basically a national socialist.
That is true.
I'm not saying he is a Nazi, of course, but I am literally saying he is a socialist and now he is turning into a nationalist.
So very interesting turn of events.
And honestly, a lot of this is going to be down to the online right hammering the issue of immigration.
So if you thought you posting about this on social media didn't matter, I guarantee it did matter.
Currently, the mainstream is just, oh, you've got to just enjoy the salt.
You really do.
Anyway, so he posts things like this.
I've already returned over 24,000 people with no right to be here and I won't stop there.
Jesus Christ, the Starminator has his mission.
Cleanse these islands.
He's actually pulling a Starlin.
right will he's actually he's just like this is this is a really aggressive tweet right Really aggressive.
Yeah.
24,000 foreigners I caught on my green and pleasant land, and they didn't have their bloody IDs.
They didn't have their papers.
So I dealt with them, says Kier Starmer.
They're a robot sent back from the future to protect England from mass immigration.
And then you have this.
And this is just Heinlein Starmer rising.
Settlement in the UK is a privilege that is earned, not a right.
Just fucking banging here.
I've been saying this for five fucking years now, right?
I've been saying this for ages.
Because that is 100% true, right?
No foreigner has a right to live here.
They do so at our pleasure.
It is a privilege we extend to them.
And he didn't have to say this, right?
He comes out.
I mean, he could have just come out and said, look, we think the immigration has gone away from us.
And we're going to, we're the government, so we're going to fix this.
I promise to come in and fix all these problems.
And he could have given a very wishy-washy, mealy-mouthed, bureaucratic set of statements.
But instead, he went quite hard.
Again, in fact, very hard in certain places.
Calling it an unmitigated disaster is just something I'm going to clip at some point and then just reply to every James O'Brien tweet, basically, with just immigration has been an unmitigated disaster from James O'Brien's hero.
Remember, people like James O'Brien, they've been defending Starma to the hilt over things like Southport, over the winter fuel, over the tax rises, over just everything.
They're giving away the Chagos Islands and all this ridiculous shit that Starmer decided to do.
Finally, he's done something based on far right, and they're freaking out about it.
They don't know what to do.
They're like, we're regime apparatchics, but that's like the total opposite of what the regime does.
So, what am I supposed to do here?
Do I defend Starmer because I'm literally programmed to be a Starma loyalist?
Or do I defend what I have been preaching for the last 30 years?
And so, anyway, yeah, Heinlein Starmer is rising.
And I mean, okay, I'm open to hearing where this goes, Keir.
And then there's this one.
I know you're angry about immigration.
I get it.
Mark my words.
I will take back control of our borders.
That means cutting migration, ending the use of asylum hotels, and ramping up our efforts to stop small boat crossings.
Blah, blah, blah.
Now, I just want to be clear: Keir Starmer is not doing this because he wants to.
Keir Starmer is doing this because he has to.
I mean, this is a poll of polls from Electoral Calculus.
And in some polls, reform are not doing as spectacularly as they could.
But there are other polls where they're in their 30s now.
And Keir Starmer is seeing it.
And so, overall, reform are leading the pack at 25%, Labour at 23%, Conservatives at 21%.
This is dire for the Labour Party, for the current government.
I mean, there was a poll the other day that happened at 20%.
And that poll had Conservatives at 16%, right?
This is not good.
I mean, probability of being the largest party at the next election, and that is another four years away, more than reform are at nearly 50% chance.
This is probably only going to get stronger.
And so, clearly, some clever dark lord has just gone to Kier Starmer and sat him down and gone, listen, right?
You're going to lose and you're going to destroy the party for a generation if you don't just stop immigration because that's what everyone that's the number one issue and the cause of all of the problems of the country.
And so, Kier Starmer has just come out and gone, you know what?
Yes, it's a privilege, not a right.
And privileges can be rescinded.
Anything that was done by fear can be withdrawn by fear.
If we decided to issue you a passport, we could just refuse that, is what is implied in this.
And man, people are furious.
Now, the most important part of Keir's speech that was fixated on by the left in particular was that he used a certain turn of phrase.
He said, We risk becoming an island of strangers.
Now, this is interesting language because stranger is not categoric language, stranger is relational language.
It describes one person's relationship with another person.
Stranger means the absence of a relationship.
They do not know one another, there is nothing linking them together, and so they are not familiar or friendly or can be friendly if they don't know each other.
And this is true.
I mean, if anything, I would suggest that actually we're already the island of strangers, as people were pointing out.
I mean, just what are these people doing here, man?
Is this GDP growth?
Is this what this is what Keir Starmer's talking about?
Unmitigated disaster that we've become the island of strangers.
I mean, this is in Birmingham, which again, 40% English.
So, you can see exactly the issue here, right?
And Callum has got a great little selection here of them 10 Downing Street and UK Prime Minister just posting this nonsense, just this foreign nonsense that they really should never have posted.
And then, all of it, I mean, look at what is this?
What is this nonsense?
Let's go back to that one, actually, right?
What good times mean gold gappers and gupship off honestly?
This is just gibberish.
Like, I feel like some ancient Greek going, all right, the barbarians actually literally go ba ba ba ba ba, right?
That's literally why we call them barbarians.
The gold gappers and the gupship, eh?
Fuck off.
I've had it, I've absolutely had it with this colonization bollocks, right?
Not happy with it at all.
And Kierstan's like, yeah, island of strangers.
We're not going to have it.
Well, suddenly, now, Keir Starmer didn't mention this person, but suddenly the left rushed out and they were like, strangers?
What, like, when Enoch Powell said that we're becoming strangers on our own land or something to that effect, and uh, Keir Starmer hadn't walked this back yet.
So Kier Starmer is basically like, Yeah, did I fucking stutter?
Let's let's watch some clips, shall we?
Starmer's speech about people being foreigners or unwelcome in their own land and so on is straight out of the Enoch Powell playbook.
Come on, I represent the neighboring constituency to Kier Starmer, demographically broadly similar, multicultural, multilingual.
Basically, people generally get along quite well together.
What's the message that's been given to the people who've come to this country, work in health, work in education, work in transport, work in care particularly?
Go home.
That's the message that Keir Starmer is giving them.
That's what he means.
Go home.
He's saying this is an island of strangers now.
You're not really welcome.
And honestly, the fear, the rabid fear of Enoch Powell.
Now, Jeremy Corbyn is pretty much the most calm person on that.
This is from Good Morning Britain.
Look at their faces.
Look at the fucking outrage on their faces.
They cannot take this.
Now, why is that phrase so inflammatory to some people?
Because Enoch Powell, the racist Tory in the late 60s, 1968, his infamous rivers of blood speech talked about people feeling like strangers in their country.
He meant white people strange.
Oh, no.
Enoch Powell was like, the British people will feel like strangers in their own country if their country is basically completely colonized by foreigners.
It's like, yeah, we absolutely will feel that way.
And I'm not sure that's a good thing, actually.
I mean, during the era of decolonization, when we were leaving their countries, does that mean they all have to come to our country?
Does that mean that we have to have what we are not inflicting on them inflicted on us?
No, it's not fair to have done this to us and to our children and future descendants.
We will have to deal with what was it Joe Biden called it?
An urban jungle or something like that?
Is it like it is not fair to have done this?
And they are, I mean, look at the guy's face.
Look at the guy's face.
Furious.
Strangers in their country.
It's kind of sickening now.
Either he's got some young naive person Or he's got somebody who has gone where they should never have tripped.
They should never go there.
Because actually, what that implies is the British have the primary claim to Britain.
And all of those people who are here as a privilege and not a right have been taking advantage of them.
And all of those people who have been endorsing it and supporting it are bad people for having done so.
That's what Keir Starmer's speech has done.
And that's why the online left and the media and all of those, you know, the shitlibs, the politicians, they're all freaking the fuck out.
Because Keir Starmer calling this an unmitigated disaster puts them in the wrong and makes them the bad guys.
What Keir Starmer has said in this unmitigated disaster speech, The Island of Strangers, is that these people have been stealing the patrimony of the British people from them and profiting from it in the process and also considering themselves morally superior for doing so.
And suddenly, Keir Starmer, the guy they all fucking worshipped right up until this point, is like, you know, I think what's been done is a terrible thing, actually.
And they're like, holy shit, he's saying that mass immigration is a Tory plot to destroy Britain.
And I supported it every step of the way.
And so he must never go there or else I'm in trouble.
My moral reputation is in trouble.
I will find myself on the wrong side of history, on the wrong side of a particular and important issue that we have been desperately trying to stamp down to make sure the British public can't object because otherwise they're evil racists.
But Keir Starmer is obviously not a racist, right?
He's obviously one of the most progressive people in Britain.
He's obviously an insane leftist and has been his whole life.
And if even he is like, no, this is evil, then they have to admit they've been evil this whole time.
Everything they've done up until this point becomes morally not just invalid, but hateful towards the British people.
And they are fucking scared of this.
They are deeply, deeply worried that Keir Starmer is about to invalidate everything they've tried to achieve and will render them as the villains of history.
They are genuinely afraid of this.
Of trips.
He's off his moral molehill.
Now what he wants to accuse.
See that?
He's off his moral molehill.
So look, if you don't allow unlimited foreigners to take over your country and occupy places where your grandparents used to live, there is something morally wrong with you.
And if that's the paradigm that up until this very moment held, and they were very comfortable and safe in it, then so much better for him.
But if Keir Starmer's like, no, I'm the leader of the left in this country and I don't agree with this.
I'm the Labour Prime Minister.
You've all spoiled me.
And that's wrong.
I mean, this literally puts Keir Starmer in UKIP territory morally for these people.
And so they are just, there's just no bottom to how much screeching we're about to enjoy.
Use the Conservative Party or reform of racism and bigotry.
They will be able to turn around and say, what about you?
What have you said?
See, this is the whole point, right?
It's used as a cudgel against the right.
If Keir Starmer admits the damage that immigration has done to this country, then they can't have the moral high ground over reform of the Conservatives when they're like, hey, guys, maybe mass immigration is destroying the country.
Like, no, you racist.
They're going to be like, ah, but what about you, Keir?
And that's the concern, right?
It doesn't matter how many thousands of girls have been raped.
It doesn't matter how many children have been blown up in terrorist attacks.
It doesn't matter that young people can't get houses or jobs or feel even like they belong in their own country.
None of that matters as long as they get to call the right fucking racists.
Unacceptable.
You are bad people.
All of you are bad people.
All of you mass immigration advocates are fucking traitors.
And the Starmanator is going to make sure that you have no choice but to accept what you did was wrong.
Because his new programming's in.
And he's not a thinking man.
He's a doing man.
And he's going to be like, well, sorry, there's more to come.
24,000 down.
I'm not even joking.
These people are fucking shitting themselves.
He's completely lost any moral ground he had as prime minister.
That's nonsense.
That's total nonsense.
The reason that the Labour Party is polling so poorly is because what they are doing to the country is immoral.
What has been done to the country is immoral.
And Kier Starmer is actually trying to get back into the good graces of the British public by saying, you know what, guys, actually, it was an unmitigated disaster.
It was something that was done to this country against your will.
And it has had nothing but negative consequences.
And so these, again, you can see it in them.
Look at the guy's face.
He's so serious about this.
The entire moral paradigm is changing right like that on a dime.
It's changing around.
He's like, Jesus Christ, we're in trouble, aren't we?
Has Kier Starmer just declared himself the antichrist?
It's like, yeah, from your position, he has.
He absolutely has.
But will this help him with the public?
Why is that?
So that's just, again, good morning, Britain.
Daytime television about this, right?
Here is BBC Newsnight.
And I mean, you can see from the click, the use of that language is not in Kier Starmer's interest.
Well, I don't know about that.
I think if Keir Starmer wants to be a half-popular prime minister at some point, it absolutely is in his interest.
But look, it's a catastrophic mistake that will divide the left for years to come.
As you can see, this is just about political power to them.
It's just about browbeating you.
Nick, what reaction are you picking up to?
Well, Vic, it's interesting that you said to Jackie Smith there, you raised the concerns amongst some in the Labour Party that the Prime Minister was echoing the language of Enoch Powell in his notorious rivers of blood speech in 1968.
And it's interesting.
I caught up a few hours ago with Nigel Farage.
And, you know, it's not rocket science that some of that speech was aimed at answering the threat from Reform UK in the local elections.
And Nigel Farage thinks it was a big mistake.
So we'll get to Farage's response in a minute, in fact.
Because Farage's response, in fact, was that Farage's response.
Anyway, so yeah, he is right.
Nigel Farage did say that he'd gone too far, which is remarkable.
You would have thought this would be the time that Nigel Farage would be like, right, brilliant.
We can go to the right now.
I can keep dragging him to the right.
That's where the dialectic is going.
This is straight on.
But apparently, Nigel Farage was like, oh, no, I'm going to go to the center when Keir Starmer goes to the far right for some reason.
Why would you do that?
What would be the point of going to the center when everything's going towards the right?
Like, Keir Starmer is literally upping the ante, right?
You've been like, oh, yeah, I'm going to get a minister for deportation.
Keir Starmer's like, I'm just going to literally fire them all out of a catapult off the cliffs of Dover, mate.
You know, you're never going to anti-migrant me.
And Nigel Farage said, well, whoa, whoa, whoa, calm down, bro.
Don't invoke Enoch Powell.
It's like, what?
No, now is the time, Nige.
Anyway, here's another one from the Good Morning Britain thing.
Again, just this, I think this guy is the editor of the Daily Mail or something.
And again, the Daily Mail meant to be a right-wing paper, but apparently not.
Let's carry on.
During the speech, this response to immigration was not political at all.
It was purely pragmatic and practical.
But of course it was.
It was obviously a response to the local elections a couple of weeks ago.
There's no doubt about it.
Of course it is.
Look, the white paper's been in the pipeline for some time, but I think they probably brought it forward because of the reform response.
But I still think I was stunned to hear that phrase from the Prime Minister because I thought instantly, didn't Enoch Powell say almost the same in that infamous speech?
Almost word for word.
I still think he's tapped in.
He doesn't mind this big row and everybody talking about this.
He wants people to think he's being muscular and strong and tough on immigration.
That's what he wants people to think.
And it's upset a lot of Labour MPs.
He couldn't care less because what he thinks is he might get people who are going to vote for reform coming back to Labour.
But actually, there are people who do feel strangers in their own country, in their own towns and communities.
Not many of them, because they've checked, because these towns have changed.
Not many of them.
67% of people in this country, when polled, will just say, yeah, too much immigration.
That's the problem.
Too much immigration.
Number one issue.
And the other lefty on the other side, it just, what can he say?
Do you think going to the 2021 census?
I think 95% of people over 65 are white.
If you look at the number of in primary schools, it's about 64%.
This country is changing fast and dramatically, and people are uncomfortable.
Some people are uncomfortable.
No, no, no, no, most people like the change.
Look at this guy.
Look at this guy.
But look what he's listening to what he's saying.
No, no, no, no, no.
No, and most people like the change.
No, no, no, no, no, my son.
Most people like the change.
Most people like the change.
Where?
Like, no one, no one likes the change.
No one agrees.
Anyway, Robert Jemrick came out and he had quite a robust little interview on Sky where he points out that, look, people don't want this actually.
People have not been in favor of this.
And they've been saying it for many years.
And they've just, you know, there's just so many knives in their back at this point.
I mean, I think that people are voting for reform just literally as a message.
I don't think they actually think Farage will fix the immigration problem.
Because I don't think Farage will fix the immigration problem.
I think they're just like, you know what?
We're just choosing something else just to say fuck you at this point.
Just say fuck you.
Anyway, so you've got the people like Aspana Begum.
I'm proud to represent an East London constituency where diversity is a strength.
Well, it's East London.
Like we've been colonized.
There are going to be very, very few English people there.
But communities include migrants from all around the world.
We must end, not embolden the hostile environment.
And then people were pointing out, well, yeah, I mean, like, literally where you are, it's 29% English, 33% Bangladeshi, and then, you know, the other 30% of just foreigners from other places.
And it's like, good God, man.
Like, no wonder, like, they get Aspama Begum MP, like, with their bloody shawl and everything.
Like, you know, she, her.
I'm not surprised you get that in these constituencies.
Anyway, Diane Abbott, well, this is a shameful day in British politics.
Will not end well for either the British people or the Labour Party.
It's like, I don't know about that.
Anyway, so this was one of my favourites where, well, just listen to James O'Brien.
That's the slip.
But having covered this issue for the best part of 20 years, I don't think that rational conversations about immigration have ever really taken place in this country.
Yeah, because you've done everything in your fucking power to prevent it.
You, like I called you on Twitter, a porcine bore.
You have absolutely gone out of your way to make sure that anyone who wants to have a reasonable conversation about immigration is just a fucking racist.
You have been like unashamed about just smearing people as racist.
And it's like, oh, we've just never had a rational conversation about this.
It's like, you've done everything to stop it.
You've been one of the leading lights making sure that we can't have a proper conversation about what immigration has done to the country.
And now it's got to the point where even your fucking hero, Kier Starmer, is like, yeah, the far right are worried about all this.
Unmitigated disaster.
Open borders experiment.
It's not been good for the economy.
This has got to stop.
And another point as well, he was like, industries have become addicted to immigration.
Again, another far-right talking point, but obviously true.
And it's just like, what does James O'Brien do?
He must have woken up that morning and gone, Jesus Christ, this is going to be a tough day.
What is this dude?
Ian Dunt, and he calls himself a liberal extremist, by the way.
Ian, Starmer is as bad as those who came before him.
Yeah, he's basically the new Nigel Farage.
What a bitter disappointment because, of course, up until this point, they were fucking cleaning Starmer's nuts all day, every day, echoing the far-right in immigration.
His moral and intellectual stature has fallen away.
And remember, this was all about them saying they are fucking better than you.
That's all this is about.
Right.
Intellectually, Keir Starmer is just correct on all of the points, right?
On all of the substantive points.
Keir Starmer is correct.
But that means his moral stature has fallen away because until this point, everyone thought that Keir Starmer was also a liberal extremist.
But it turns out that Keir Starmer is not actually as crazy as the rest of them.
Like, well, that's that hero fallen by the wayside.
Can't have it.
And you get lots of people who are just, I mean, as the former Scottish Labour leader here says, depressed and angry.
I'm so sad that Keir Starmer dare acknowledge the genuine problem of immigration in this country, the damage that it has done, and saying, look, it has to stop because otherwise, and Keir Starmer, and he literally says this and the thing, it's not in the interests of Britain to have open border mass immigration.
And imagine that that is the most nativist thing I've heard out of the mouth of a prime minister.
Well, in my entire lifetime, actually, now I think about it.
Like this, Keir Starmer's far-right, nativist position on immigration is it's been absolutely destructive to Britain and it's not in our interests.
And they are like depressed, angry.
I prefer the Kirstarma of 2020, who was in favor of destroying Britain.
Actually, I was in favor of the ruination of Britain using mass immigration as a form of like human bioweapon against the British people.
And now he's got a gone against it.
I'm just so dumb.
It's so sad.
He's fallen from grace.
You know, his intellectual stature has fallen away.
It's like, right.
So this is all just about the destruction of Britain.
And when you don't get it, you're just sad.
Oh, it's just so sad.
Well, tough shit.
I'm so sick of these people.
Anyway, Lewis Goodall makes a fair point here.
This is ultimately, again, because of Farage and his, as it says, endless ability to reshape the contours of British politics.
It's totally true.
If it wasn't for Farage rising on the right, even if it's the sort of just right of center, this wouldn't have happened.
And Keir Starmer wouldn't have taken the far-right position, outflanking Nigel Farage on the subject of immigration.
I mean, even like conservatives like Ian Dale were like, my God.
I can't believe what I heard.
It was a speech that, frankly, Nigel Farage could have given.
It's a speech Suella Braverman could have given.
It's a speech Robert Jenrick could have given.
I could not believe I was listening to a Labour Prime Minister, a Labour Prime Minister, making such what I thought were incendiary comments about immigration.
See, isn't that interesting?
I can't believe the Labour Prime Minister has come out and said something that is pro-British and would actually help the country.
Like, I can't believe that the Labour Prime Minister wouldn't just be stabbing the British public in the back.
I can't believe that they're not continuing the process of the complete dissolution of this country, of the heritage of the English nation.
I'm shocked.
I'm shocked, says Ian Dale.
Yeah, I'm shocked too, to be honest.
Ian, like, I didn't see it coming either, but I'll tell you what, I am glad.
I have enjoyed it very much.
But anyway, like I said, Farage should be tacking hard to the right in immigration because with them resurrecting the ghost of Enoch Powell, Farage really should be lining them up to just knock them down, right?
Because Enoch Powell was right, and we'll get to this in a minute.
And Nigel Farage, back in his youth, had asked Enoch Powell to back UKIP.
And Enoch Powell had supported three UKIP candidates, but not Farage, which is an interesting thing.
But instead, Nigel decides to go to the left.
I caught up the guy saying that he had him.
But yeah, Nigel Farage decided that was too far.
So anyway, the question on everyone's lips, as it was in Enoch Powell's day, as it is now, do the public support the far-right position on immigration?
Drumroll!
What do you think, folks?
Of course they fucking do.
Of course they do.
They've been screaming for generations now.
Please stop the inflow of foreigners.
We don't want this.
And shock and surprise, 53% of people agree with Keir Starmer.
And that's getting over Keir Starmer's hump of everyone fucking hating him.
He is, without doubt, one of the most.
In fact, let me get what's Starmer's approval rating.
Get that.
Just to contextualize this.
Right?
Starmer's favorability, popularity, 22%, dislike by 51%.
And that's not a sort of, well, I'm not a big fan.
That's a, I fucking hate him, right?
So by more than two to one factor, everyone fucking hates Keir Starmer.
And yet, he somehow gets more than half the population on side.
So, yeah, yeah, we, I agree.
It's the correct sentiment coming from an evil man.
It's like, yep, that is the case.
And so let's quickly move to the question of Enoch Powell.
Now, in the description, I have linked today's podcast because Dan, if you go about 45 minutes in, you'll get Dan explaining Enoch Powell's Rivers of Blood speech.
Now, you can find it there, but it's worth going through because what Dan is doing is essentially fact-checking it.
Because the Rivers of Blood Speech was made in 1968.
And in 1968, none of this had happened, right?
This is all downstream of 1997.
In 1968, Britain was something like 98% native.
By the 1990s, it was something like 94% native.
And then by the 2000s, it starts going downwards at a rapid pace.
And Enoch Powell would say things like, well, look, it's conceivable that by the year 2000, Birmingham would be two-fifths immigrant descent.
And yeah, I mean, it's conceivable.
I mean, at the moment, Birmingham is two-fifths English, which is just the complete inverse of how bad Powell thought it was going to get.
He didn't realize how deep the betrayal would go.
How much the country would be changed by these people.
And Dan goes through it just again, just line by line, basically saying, look, this is a reasonable prediction, and it was correct.
This is another reasonable prediction, and it's correct.
Because what Powell is doing is just extrapolating from trends.
He's saying, look, if things continue like this, then this will be the case.
And he was right.
This is why Nigel Farage should be coming out and just hammering tongues, just smashing him on this and saying, no, Enoch Powell's predictions were all correct because they were completely foreseeable.
Again, language that Powell used.
Because numbers add up.
And that's literally just where this goes.
Numbers accumulate.
So if you add two to two, you get four.
If you add four to four, you get eight.
And if we continue with this logical sort of extrapolation of numbers, adding numbers to more numbers, we can see that the numbers are in fact necessarily mathematically derivable from the sums that we're doing.
And so it wasn't even that Powell had to be some sort of Cassandra-like oracle.
He didn't have to have some magic ball to gaze into and say, oh, mirror, mirror on the wall.
Show me what the future will be like.
No, no, no, no.
You can logically deduce it.
Any fool could logically deduce it.
It's just that only Powell was really brave enough to stand up and say it.
And the only things, as Dan points out, that Powell actually got wrong was that he thought Tory party policy wouldn't be as willfully destructive and as much of a betrayal as it actually was.
That's where Powell was wrong.
Which is not, well, I mean, it is a surprise for him, I'm sure, but it's not a surprise for the rest of us.
But anyway, that'll be linked in the description.
Go watch it.
It's a great podcast, obviously.
Ed Dutton's featuring an Ed.
Ed's always hilarious because you just never know what's going to come out of his mouth next.
But Dan has a really, really good breakdown of what exactly Powell said, because they all use Powell like a boogeyman.
Oh, you're not Powell, the evil racist.
He was not an evil racist.
He was not a racist, I don't think.
He was just a classicist who was looking at this through the lens of peoples and places and nations rather than atomized individuals who had an infinite supply of human rights.
So go and watch that after this.
Anyway, yeah, so people agreed with this, broadly speaking.
Most people agreed with this.
And has it helped him in the polls?
Well, no, actually.
But this might be too soon to see.
We can't tell.
This, I think, was the same day or like the day after, something like that.
It's probably too soon to tell.
But the thing is, you can see why Keir Starmer needs to do something, right?
Immigration is the number one issue in the country.
And 75% of people think he's handling it badly.
Don't know if he's got any.
I was hoping there'd be more links because when asked, something like, you know, 40% of people think Nigel Farage would just be the best person to handle it.
Maybe.
I mean, I'd be surprised, but whatever.
I don't think he's going to be.
But anything is better than what we've got, right?
Anything is better than the trajectory we're on.
So I would prefer Nigel Farage being in charge and dealing with this than, well, almost anyone else until the Starmanator got the new update programming and was like, oh, yeah, right.
Yeah.
Every immigrant got a good deal with them.
It's like, oh, Jesus, they're still human, mate.
Show some mercy.
At least just deport them.
Calm down.
They were the tools of, well, up until this point, the Labour Party and the Conservative Party to attack us.
They themselves are not intrinsically evil, or at least most of them aren't.
So, you know, go easy on them, mate.
But the point is, you can see why they had to do something.
This is the number one issue.
Three quarters of people think they're doing terribly.
What of 15% think they're doing well?
They had to do something.
So, I mean, I personally, I'm loving to see this turnaround.
Because this is just, I didn't think it was going to happen like this.
I didn't think we would get Kier Starmer coming out, making essentially the moral and practical argument against immigration and watching them melt down.
And again, I'm just showing you a very small slice of it as well for time's sake, basically.
Because this, I mean, this is just, it is huge.
This is seismic, right?
This changes all of the discourse on immigration in Britain.
And it ruins, absolutely ruins everything that has come before it.
And they know it.
And that's why they're angry.
That's why they're literally spitting fire about this.
So anyway, just good news, basically.
You know, don't blackpill.
This is winning.
This is what winning looks like.
When your enemies are forced to parrot your lines to get them to back in back in the running, you're the one who's changed the debate.
And you've forced the debate in this direction.
And so everyone who posts about this online, you know, all of the online right, all of the activists, all of the people, and I mean this, right?
From the big influencers to the medium influencers down to just the guy who's got like 300 followers on Twitter and is just like in the replies, giving them pressure, putting the pressure on, pat yourselves on the back because this is your victory, getting Keir Starmer to just turn completely around and start going the other way on immigration.
Anything other than what they were doing up until this point would be a good change.
And this is as honestly, this is as good as we could hope for because if Nigel Farage wins in 2029 and Keir Starmer had just carried on the same trajectory, the left wouldn't feel that their own argument had been demolished.
They would just feel that Nigel Farage had tricked everyone, blah, blah, blah.
But they can't accuse Keir Starmer of that.
Keir Starmer is attacking, changing his perspective like this, calling it an unmitigated disaster, is him attacking the moral framework of the left entirely.
And this is honestly as good a maneuver that we could have hoped for, frankly, because it's put the cat completely amongst the pigeons.
Their guy has come over to our side.
And so whenever we have an argument, we go, well, you know, you vote for Keir Starmer and he agrees with me on immigration.
So maybe there's something wrong with you, actually.
Again, this couldn't have been better.
Great, great turnout for the books, frankly.
Donio Benji says, could this be to bring in digital ID?
Possibly.
Blair definitely wants that.
Starmer is definitely following Blair's playbook.
Blair has definitely boxed his ears over a bunch of stuff that he failed on.
Dave says, in 2022, 36.7% of live births in England were to parents with either one or both were born outside of the UK.
Yeah, I know it's mad, isn't it?
It's absolutely mad.
And so we, I mean, we just have to get a handle on this.
We have to get a handle on it.
And really what we want is for immigration to be, I mean, obviously, I know what a lot of people online want, but I think a realistic ask is just to stop the incoming immigration.
What exactly did Trump say to him in their meeting?
Well, that's a great question, isn't it?
Who knows?
But I don't think it's Trump.
I think that Starmer just lied to Trump, frankly.
Oh, yeah, we've got free speech.
We think America's great.
Blah, blah, blah.
I think he just lied to Trump.
And so I don't, to keep the pressure off, frankly.
I think this is him looking at the polls and being like, we've got to do something or else we're toast.
Stephen says, it's 2025 and Jeremy Corbyn is watching Keir Starmer and Nigel Farage try to out Enoch Powell each other.
I know it's so good.
This is what I mean.
Like the fact that it's put the cat totally amongst the pigeons on the left means they are now divided.
So the sort of centrist left types have a strong argument in we have to stop immigration because otherwise we get obliterated at the polls.
But this completely severs them off from the radical left who are like, yeah, but we're in favor of destroying this country.
And without immigration, that's not going to happen.
So you are a betrayer to the sort of extreme communist liberal world order.
And so this is complete division amongst our opponents.
And it changes the dialectic.
So now it is a race.
Who can deport the most illegals?
Who can stop the inflow of legals?
The quickest, the hardest.
The public is actually going to get some of what they want for once.
The only other time this has happened was at the Brexit referendum when we were like, oh, great, we've got a plebiscite.
Fucking no.
What does it you guys want?
Yeah, no, we're not having that.
We're having the opposite.
Fuck you.
Right.
That's the only time the public is, and we didn't get Brexit, obviously, not in the way we need it.
But at least we got something, right?
It wasn't at all what we wanted.
But at least we got something.
Again, a bloody nose to the establishment.
Show them, look.
You can say what you like, but the public is not on board of this.
And if we're given the power of selection, we're going to fucking select.
And we're going to select against you hard.
And that is so good.
Yeah, trying to out-powl each other is so good.
Nicholas says, consider this.
Trump demanded this concession as part of any trade deal.
No, I don't think that's the case.
I don't think that's the case.
I think this is very clearly the case that he's just looking at Farage.
Because the other day, Farage was at 33% in the polls.
And really, you only need to get 35% of the polls to basically be guaranteed to win.
So Starmer is looking at this going, right, okay, the Labour Party's dead.
Like, they hit 20% in that same poll.
And I think that's what has caused this.
I think that Tony Blair has just sat down with him.
Listen, Kier, you just don't have a fucking choice.
Believe it or not, we are still a democracy and people can still vote against you.
And they will vote to destroy the Labour Party.
Like they're voting to destroy the Conservative Party.
And Kier Starmer's like, oh, yeah, good point.
I better do something.
And there's no choice.
Stacey says, I'm currently staying in a place called Oxwich on the outskirts of Swansea.
I was told Starma actually stayed at this same place just a few weeks ago.
Did it smell of sulfur?
Mason says, the positive part of this is Kira is now a vanguard for Farage to lead from behind with.
Ah, that's a great, ah, that's brilliant.
Brilliant point.
I should have mentioned that.
I should have thought about that.
The coward Farage now has permission to act right-wing.
That's a great point.
Someone else has cleared the ground for him.
Then now Nigel can come in and occupy and be like, yes, I was in favor of mass deportations all along.
Don't listen to the clips of me saying I'm not for it.
Ori says, your problem is multi-pronged calification, environmentalism, immigration.
Starmer will feign fighting the last issue, but do nothing about the others.
That's true.
But the environmentalism stuff can be reversed quite easily.
And the immigration stuff and the calification is deeply entwined.
So we'll see.
Florida Man says, Kier Starmer.
Wow.
Yeah, I know.
It's honestly, it's so good.
It's so good watching this turn up for the books.
I've been having such a good time on Twitter recently.
Albert says, anyone who buys this supposed U-turn by Starmer is an idiot.
This hasn't come from nowhere.
It's come from the back of a devastating local election wipeout.
Correct.
But the issue is that Starma has made concrete promises.
And he has said, we are going to do this, we're going to do that, we're going to do the other.
And this means that in two or three years' time, when the elections are starting to ramp up, we can just hold him to it.
Sorry, Starma, you said you were going to nuke every single immigrant that lived in Britain, and there are more than ever, blah, blah, blah.
You're a failure.
You're a traitor.
No one believes you.
Nothing you say can be believed.
It's a strength.
Either way, it strengthens our argument.
Like I said, I don't think he's going to do anything.
And it's not actually the technical mechanical action of doing things about immigration that is actually important.
What's important is it's making immigration the most important issue in the minds of the media class.
It's forcing the enemies to declare their colours and say, no, we're just here to destroy Britain.
Thank you very much.
I mean, like, they say all this on Good Morning Britain.
They don't realize that the public hears the opposite, right?
They're like, no, immigration is good.
And they're like, oh, wow, these people are traitors.
So that's all people are hearing, right?
Because everyone knows from their own experience of the world, immigration has not been good for the country.
And so it's good to make them declare their colours.
And it also means that the pledges and the purpose of the next election will be end immigration.
That's all it's going to be.
Get rid of immigration.
It's got to stop.
mcleod says this so much of this reminds me of khrushchev's secret speech the denunciation of stalin destalination uh won't occur though you know that again that's another This is just a dry brush, but just autistic and needs to play with that.
That's a great point.
This does feel a lot like Khrushchev's secret speech and the effect that that had on the soviets because, of course, up until that point you, you couldn't criticize Stalin, and everyone's like oh oh wait, something is changing around me and someone's going to be left holding the bag.
But you know, I don't know if de-stalinization will happen.
I mean again, I I don't think Stalma's going to do anything uh, at least anything properly substantive.
But the fact that this is where the discourse is going, because this is the national conversation, when the prime minister comes out and gives a speech like that and says to the entire country, by the way yeah, immigration was an unmitigated disaster and it needs to stop and it hasn't been good for the economy and in fact uh, we're sorry basically, we shouldn't have done this to you, that means a lot.
That is important, Kyle says.
During the Black Death, Scotland had population decline of 30 to 50 percent.
This was tragic because the Scottish elites didn't have the means to replace them with Somalians.
As a result, wages for the average peasant sadly tripled.
It was exactly the same in England.
Exactly the same in England uh which yeah, I mean it was tragic.
I mean, can you imagine what the GDP was like after the Black Death?
Abominable god, how could anyone cope?
Uh, Rap Boy says, we're winning.
We need to be more like the left and just demand more and more.
The Overton window is shifting.
Just keep the pressure up, never blackpill.
Yeah, this has been a tremendous white pill actually, but you are absolutely correct, we need to just okay, now up the demands, right.
So I mean, i've been doing this in uh, Kierstama's replies, so when he's posting oh, by the way, i'm gonna deport as many immigrants as I can, or whatever uh, i've just been posting, look, the entire Boris Wave needs to go home.
So those, oh.
Another thing we can do is increase the length of time uh, a foreigner has to stay in England before they can get citizenship, from five years to ten years, which is significant.
It's not great, but it's significant.
And of course, they're all freaking out about that as well.
Um, but the but?
This is the thing I was just like.
No, the Boris wave needs to go back.
The Boris wave needs to go back.
These millions of people that Boris Johnson allowed to come and live here against our will.
They need to go back, they shouldn't be here, and so yeah, we should up the ante now.
And so now Farage knows the the road is safe.
We need to keep clearing it ahead of him.
Basically, we want them to travel down this path.
Uh, Empress Champion says reality always asserts itself, and that's something the left never seems to understand.
That's true.
Russian said there are decades where nothing happens, and then there are weeks where decades happen, and then uh, the Overton Window is at mach five.
Yeah, I know, this is honestly, it's so good Good, It's such a good turnout.
Generico says, I've never heard these talking heads mention the murder of three young girls.
They do bang on about how this far-bright Salport riots were, though.
Yeah, I know.
And they don't care.
Like, you've got to understand, for them, the murder of young girls is a feature, not a bug.
This is part of the destruction of the country.
Manuel says, tip for load seaters, German and on YouTuber Clowns Veldt.
Crime Pro FD got doxxed, investigated, and friends interviewed.
No right to anonymity.
His subs went from 227,000 to 450,000 in five days.
Bloody hell.
Well, I'll never say that the Streisand Effect is not a real thing.
Albert says, it's nothing more than a desperately transparent political stunt.
Absolutely true.
Starmer does despise you and everything you believe in.
However, he is also a Machiavellian who's looking for power, or at least he is puppeteered by Machiavellians who want to maintain power.
And Starma really is just a robot who follows his programming.
And so now he's been programmed to just literally shove every immigrant into the sea like we did with the Danes.
He will do that.
This is literally all he knows what to do.
Manuel says this change of heart is neither genuine nor permanent.
Correct.
Absolutely correct.
But it is good that a change of wind that can be taken advantage of.
Exactly.
Aldor says, incendiary language, the arsonists are the left.
Yes.
Generico says, Starma's rhetoric is just noise.
He'll make grand claims and do nothing.
No, I think he will do something, but it was just, it will be returning the pot to the boil, right?
Because the thing about immigration is the frog's in the pot and it turns up the heat.
But the Tory's like, yeah, okay, we'll turn the heat to 200 to make sure the frog boils quickly.
And the frog's now like, oh, right, I'm on fire.
And Starmer's just going to be like, no, no, no, we need to turn that down.
You're going to ruin the entire thing.
Right.
So he'll turn it down to the 300,000 a year.
So people have got nothing to complain about.
It's not good, but at least it's going in our direction.
Hash says, eight to ten years behind America, as is custom.
You guys haven't stopped immigration.
You guys still get a million a year in.
Mike says, am I watching Severance or what?
Praise Keir.
I know, right?
They must be furious that Keir Starmer is doing things that we like.
This is not what they wanted at all.
I've started reading through the government's white paper and Starmer's foreword reads like it's taken from a far-right blog post.
I know that's the point.
It's like, it's literally the moral argument has been swiveled completely against them, which is why they're so worried.
They're genuinely going to find themselves in the immoral position, as their dear leader is saying.
And yeah, Russian, but Farage slated the terminally online right.
Yeah, well, if it wasn't for the terminally online right, this wouldn't be happening.
This is because of us making sure they feel under pressure from people saying we don't want mass immigration.
Duke says, going to Rome next week.
Any advice?
Cool things to see?
Yeah, there's loads of stuff.
There's absolutely loads of stuff.
Go on Google Maps and just type monument, and you will be presented with an unbelievable plethora of things.
Good luck seeing it all in the time you've got.
Joe says, never forget Spain was conquered for 700 years before they took it back.
Please make a video about the Crusades, a simple philosophical breakdown.
Yeah, you know what?
I could do that and probably should do that.
Because the Crusades were entirely justified.
FYI.
Gabriel, yes, it is just some raw meat to win elections.
That is true, but it's important that raw meat is the main diet.
Oils Goon says black lady on CNN saying the Burs can go back to Europe is playing a dangerous game, not realizing they've been in Africa longer than blacks in America.
Well, that's true, yeah.
And especially blacks in Europe.
Gently Benevolent says this is entirely due to Emperor Palpatone coming and dragging his wayward apprentice back into light.
No doubt.
No doubt whatsoever.
Starman didn't do this on his own.
Absolutely.
Johnny says, I left Trudeau's Canada to live in the UK in 2016.
I was very chuffed with myself for doing so.
Even felt superior to many of my friends who stayed.
I've been rather quiet lately.
Well, yeah, yeah.
But anyway, thank you for joining me, folks.
Thank you for your generous super chats.
And yeah, like I was saying, don't get black pilled.
This is not bad.
None of this is bad news.
This is all good news for us.
It shows that we are in command of the discourse.
And I tell you what, you see it on like Facebook, you see it on Instagram, you see it on TikTok and on Twitter.
The right-wing message is getting out there by huge numbers everywhere.
And even now, the Prime Minister is far right and is parroting our lies.
And literally, all of these things that you're saying, it's just word for word almost, what I've been saying and what everyone else has been saying.
And then they come out and go, God, he's literally parroting Enoch Powell.
It's like, great, he's literally parroting Eloch Powell.
This couldn't be better.
So yeah, anyway, don't think that we can't win.
We absolutely can win and are winning.
Anyway, I'm on the podcast tomorrow.
So follow the link, go watch the podcast, subscribe to the website.
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