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Dec. 31, 2022 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin

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	I think I might be live.
	It's been a long time since I've done this, okay?
	If it is live, let me know in the chat.
	If it's not live, well, you know, what are you going to do?
	We Gen Xers appear to have migrated and transitioned into becoming boomers.
	That is true.
	Oh, I am live.
	I can hear it in the background.
	Yeah, so I couldn't really be bothered to wait until midnight to do this.
	Honestly, because I'm old and I'm tired, like for everyone else, the holiday period is deeply relaxing.
	For me, it is being at home with a house full of children.
	So it's tiring, okay?
	And I'm quite looking forward to going back to work.
	But everyone's managed everything in my absence brilliantly.
	So, yeah, how necessary am I, really?
	But yeah, no, hello, hello, hello, yes.
	Surprise stream.
	If there's anyone who I follow on Twitter who wants to DM me to join, let me know.
	And I'll see if I can figure out Streamlabs.
	See if I can send you an invite link.
	You can see StreamYard, sorry, you can see the little note thing up there.
	Because I'm not going to pay for something that I use once a blue moon.
	I'm also drinking some very expensive brandy that my mum got me for Christmas, which is nice.
	Oh, the Wooster.
	Come on, dude.
	The interaction I had with Pete Hitchens did not go as I wished it had gone because I was not trying to insult the man at all.
	But what are you going to do?
	I noticed that Pete Hitchens is now trending on Twitter.
	So, God.
	So I thought, for anyone who doesn't know, I just thought I'd have a nice friendly interaction with Pete Hitchens because he posted something that insinuated that people should just leave England.
	That's prudent advice to just leave.
	I was like, wow, isn't that leaving the country to communists and foreigners?
	He was like, oh, it's you.
	Like some sort of slug that had crawled out from under his boots.
	And so he raised it again, stamp it.
	And I was very polite, I think.
	I was trying to be polite.
	But then Jordan Peterson got involved.
	It's alright, okay, oh, God.
	And so now Pete Hitchens is trending on Twitter.
	And it's like, I just didn't.
	I would like it if people could be nice to him.
	I like Pete Hitchens.
	I made my wife watch Question Time the other day because he was on it.
	And he was the only one talking any sense as well, which is great.
	And it was really funny when Jacob Reese Mogg is sat right there.
	Obviously a member of the Conservative Party.
	I think he's a member of the government.
	I'd have to check.
	Probably not a member of the government at the moment, just a prominent figure in the Conservative Party.
	There to obviously defend the government's position on whatever they're doing.
	And the Labour Party shill just starts, the commie on the panel, one of the commies, starts attacking Peter Hitchens for Conservative Party policy.
	And it's just so funny.
	He says, like, you don't know who he is, do you?
	He is not a fan of the Conservative Party.
	And he's not going to defend them on the basis that they're right wing because they're not.
	So yes.
	But Pete Hitchens acted like I'd asked for an invite to his latest garden party.
	And I was like, oh, no, I just, I just don't know if it's wise for us to abandon ship.
	I mean, something like 300,000 English people have emigrated from England in the last decade.
	And it's like, right.
	And then millions of foreigners have come in.
	It's like, right.
	Is that good?
	I mean, where are we supposed to go?
	Where do we go that isn't totally poisoned by leftist politics?
	It's got to be some pretty hang on a second.
	The wind has just opened my door.
	What?
	I can't get the screen on the big screen.
	Oh, right again.
	the wind the wind didn't open the door It was my mum asking how she can get the game she's playing on the big screen.
	I told her I can do it.
	Rev sent us.
	Thanks, Carpe.
	I tell you what, it's glad.
	Good to see you back, man.
	Carpe Dongham just said, I can't join this dream, but happy new year.
	Thank you.
	Thank you.
	But man, it's so good to see so many people back on Twitter, isn't it?
	Oh, man.
	Twitter's just a generally stressful experience.
	And I'm trying to make it as polite and pleasant as possible.
	Like, I don't insult people, right?
	I'm not insulting anyone.
	And I'm just trying to be nice and reasonable and sensible.
	And trying not to swear, trying not to do anything wrong.
	Just being good.
	But the problem is that there are loads of people on Twitter who are not trying to be good.
	There are loads of people on Twitter who are there for the arena of it, the spectacle of it.
	Look, this Andrew Tate, Greta Thunberg thing.
	Like, I'm not invested in either of them.
	You know, like, I've never done anything about Andrew Tate, really, apart from he runs a brothel in Romania or a sex cam show thing in Romania.
	But I don't hate Andrew Tate.
	And all I know about Greta Thunberg is her dad runs her social medias because there's some sort of error that leaked.
	And someone passes them for what she's supposed to say.
	And so Andrew Tate and Greta Thunberg's dad are having to be beef off on Twitter.
	And it's like, right, okay.
	And then Andrew Tate's just arrested for something.
	I've watched V's video on it.
	And he's like, well, he's not actually arrested.
	He's detained for investigation or something.
	It's like, right, okay.
	But, you know, everyone's saying arrested because world of misinformation that we live in.
	And I was just watching this.
	Like, what is this about?
	Like, who cares?
	Yes, the Greta Thunberg stands all hate Andrew Tate.
	And the Andrew Tate stands all hate Greta Thunberg.
	Duh.
	Like, everyone knew this.
	It just, all it's done is served to raise both of their profiles.
	But it's just.
	It's just drama.
	Needless, needless drama.
	I think I've been doing rather well on Twitter, though, since I've come back.
	Who's following me on Twitter in the chat?
	Come on.
	And how do you think I'm doing?
	I think I'm doing alright.
	You know, because I'm just posting things that I believe to be true or are good memes.
	And they seem to be doing very well.
	So that's good.
	Yeah, no, don't be mean to Peter Hitchens.
	I really like Pete Hitcher.
	I just finished rereading The Abolition of Britain, man.
	I'll tell you what, it was written in 1999.
	And man, was he prescient?
	He was so far ahead of his time.
	And I had got a copy of it that was reprinted in 2009, I think.
	It's something like the 10-year anniversary of it.
	And he's written his own little foreword in it.
	He's like, well, you know, I didn't realize just how accurate I'd be on all of this, did I?
	And it's like, well, no one did, actually, I suppose.
	And he was chewing me out on Twitter earlier.
	He was like, look, I tried in the late 2010s to lead people away from this nonsense.
	And instead, David Cameron got in charge.
	And David Cameron's basically the heir to Blair in the Conservative Party.
	And it's like, okay, I suppose one might argue that perhaps people didn't realize how bad it would get.
	Very few people are blessed with your Cassandra-like foresight.
	And so what now?
	You know, it's like, okay, well, leave the country.
	Okay, but I don't really want to.
	You know, this is where I live.
	This is where my family lives.
	They can't afford to leave the country.
	Like, why, why, why don't we have any better options?
	Especially, as you'd think that Peter Hitchens would be quite happy.
	Sorry, I realize this is going to be a rambling stream of consciousness.
	You would think Pete Hitchens would be glad because the Conservative Party are absolutely crushed.
	And so perhaps if all of the sort of right-wing internet personalities and TV personalities got together and picked a party that was not the Conservatives that was the opposite of that, then we could get something done.
	You know, get a popular understanding and the consciousness.
	Because at the end of the day, it all ultimately boils down to there are people out there who are stupid enough to vote red and blue.
	You know, like they don't magic up these votes.
	That's how they get their positions.
	That's how their MPs are paid for.
	So I don't know what we can do other than that.
	But I mean, Peter Hitchens has been on the rough end of the stick for quite some time.
	Jeremy, I'm going to start sending people invites so it's not just me monologuing my train of thought.
	But anyway, but the point is, right?
	Don't be mean to Peter Hitchens.
	You know, don't.
	I think he's a decent chap, to be honest.
	And I think that he's right.
	That's the thing.
	He's primarily right about most of what's going on.
	Like I said, I really enjoyed him on question time the other day because he was the only one speaking any bloody sense.
	And so it's kind of annoying how he treats me like a slug, I suppose.
	But that's something to talk about another time.
	Yeah, I mean, as black pill doomers go, Peter Hitchens pretty much, like, he pretty much owns the stage, doesn't he?
	I actually try to be optimistic about life.
	I'm a naturally optimistic person.
	I think that it's never too late.
	And a few months ago, I was getting like, my God, things are so bad.
	How can they get any better?
	And Bo is just like, it's not over.
	It's not over.
	Nothing's over.
	And I'm like, okay, fair enough.
	You know, you're probably right.
	Nothing is over.
	We've had worse times than now.
	And we will have worse times than now in the future, I don't doubt.
	Get him on Load Cease Free Interview.
	Good luck with that.
	How am I supposed to know who's in the background?
	Jeremy's probably like sitting around going, I've been sat here for five minutes.
	I don't know how this works.
	See, this is the thing.
	I never have to do this normally.
	So I'm a total boomer when it comes to it.
	I don't know how it's done.
	Right.
	Sorry.
	If it doesn't pop up and give me anything obvious, then I don't know where I'm going.
	No, Pete Hitchens is not absolutely immoral.
	No, I didn't see your book burning.
	He does enjoy being a contrarian.
	That's true.
	I think there is a kind of security to it.
	You can't really be wrong if you're always in contradiction with the flaws of the dominant paradigm.
	You can never really lose if you don't try and make things better.
	And, you know, he's, he's in his 70s now.
	So I can see why he's just like, just leave, mate.
	I can see why he'd do that.
	But I'm not in my 70s and I don't want to just leave.
	This is my country.
	I don't feel like abandoning it.
	And as everyone keeps saying, where would be any better?
	what possible possible place could we go to go to canada Yeah.
	Go to Canada.
	God.
	I can't imagine living in Canada.
	Like, Canada is so full woke that it scares me, man.
	Like, euthanasia is the sixth biggest cause of death, leading cause of death in Canada.
	That is just, God, that is just mad, isn't it?
	Happy New Year.
	Hey, Jeremy, how's it going?
	Good, man.
	How are you?
	Yeah, Happy New Year.
	Yeah.
	Did you have a good Christmas?
	Yeah, I did.
	You know, it was nice.
	It was quiet.
	How about you?
	Yeah, it was really good.
	Yeah, pretty low-key, to be honest, just at home with the family.
	And then my parents came up to visit a few days afterwards.
	So just, you know, no surprise, really.
	I usually hide, I keep a couple holidays to myself.
	Like there's been a long standing, I have a friend's giving on Thanksgiving, but I really don't.
	I just stay home and then nobody bugs me to go over their house.
	And obviously, you know, just us girls here.
	So no one would out me.
	So how's Coffee Brand Coffee doing?
	Pretty good.
	Yeah, really.
	Yeah, it was pretty big 2022.
	Expanding our fulfillment center next year.
	We bought a cake-up machine, which was a whole thing.
	I didn't know that is.
	Yeah, I didn't really know how they were made either.
	And so I bought a machine to make them.
	And we bought a bigger, well, looking for a bigger building right now.
	And it's been going really well.
	I mean, I bought as good as I'd say it's a little better than expected.
	So good, man.
	So yeah, that's been pretty good.
	Congrats on all your Lotus Eater success.
	Thank you very much.
	Yeah, everything's going really well.
	So, you know, I don't really have anything to say.
	It's just like, wow, everything's going better than expected.
	Yeah, right.
	It's just like, well, when we're, when you're from the world we're from, you just don't say anything.
	Yeah.
	You're just like, I'm not touching it.
	Yeah, dude, that's exactly right.
	Like we, we, we, we, I'm, I, there's a chap called Dan Tubbs.
	I saw a conference give a speech and it was a brilliant speech.
	And I was like, Dan, he's an economist.
	I was like, Dan, and the way he was able to explain these things, right?
	I'm a total, you know, innocent when it comes to economics.
	I don't know anything.
	But the way he was explaining it explained actually quite clearly in a way that I can understand actually why everything's falling apart.
	So I was like, Dan, let me pay you to basically do that speech, but just like longer and for hour-long lectures that we can put on the website to explain to everyone because you've got a really good way of doing it.
	And the first one's out.
	He's done a bunch of them and the first one's out now.
	And it's so good.
	It's just so good.
	Cause it's like, basically, look, the entire financial system is rigged to collapse every time we get a new leader.
	That leader is essentially in checkmate.
	And so the king might change, but they're in the same position.
	And so we're completely fucked.
	And nothing can ever get any better until we've gone through a collapse and essentially reset the entire money supply, which will cause millions to die.
	It's like, oh, fuck.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	It's, it's, we're constantly in a state of living on the knife's edge and we're just pushing that out.
	And the penalty keeps getting worse.
	Like the price we'll have to pay during that reset keeps increasing.
	But it's just like past the buck.
	Oh, we'll just print another zillion dollar coin and put it in the treasury.
	Well, that's for the next guy to worry about.
	Well, what are they going to do?
	Come and collect?
	If we go bankrupt, then the whole thing's worthless anyway.
	It's a fiction that has to carry on being a fiction because otherwise there's nothing for anyone.
	That's the national debt hilarity to me.
	Yeah, exactly.
	We owe a zillion dollars to China.
	Are they going to what?
	Or what?
	Yeah, or we default and our money's worth nothing and we owe them nothing and they've got nothing.
	And they've got nobody to buy their crap.
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	It's interesting.
	I noticed you were going back with you got a little back and forth on Twitter.
	That was bringing me back to some 2016 derangement out of Peter there.
	Was I not being perfectly polite, though?
	I think so.
	I was trying to be as reasonable and polite as possible.
	I thought I was just engaging with his points directly, and he was being very mean to me.
	I was like, okay, fine.
	That's fine, Peter.
	Lots of people have been mean to me.
	I will take it on my gray chin and just accept that because I'm not going to, I'm not, because he was trying to provoke me into being a dickhead.
	And I'm not going to be a dickhead.
	That used to be easier to do, but you're older now.
	Yes, exactly.
	And I've decided I'm going to be a nice person now to everyone.
	I noticed he was doing that whole like cringe instead of replying, quote, quote tweeting everything.
	And that's like a total lame like 2016 tactic.
	Like, I'm not going to address your decision.
	I just want my followers to pile on you.
	I don't actually want to.
	I don't know, to be honest.
	No, it didn't.
	He wasn't raising.
	Well, then, yeah, and then Dink was in there and it just did not go well for him.
	Yeah, but the thing is, I like Pete Hitchens.
	I don't want people to be mean to him.
	He just comes from a different place than us, because we're people of the internet.
	He's not.
	He has to deal with, he goes on the BBC and stuff.
	Here's a hot take.
	I feel that Jordan Peterson's the same way.
	Where do you view?
	How is your value of Jordan Peterson changed in 2022?
	Has it changed at all?
	I will always have the utmost respect for Jordan Peterson because he did something very difficult and unpopular in a time when it was difficult and unpopular.
	Because, I mean, we've been doing this for a long time now and criticizing left-wing philosophy in the way that we've been doing it and just flatly rejecting it was something that people actually didn't do when Jordan Peterson first came on the scene, really.
	We were very much outsiders on that.
	He had real stakes, too.
	He had a real, his career.
	When we're online, just dunking on it, we're not really trading anything.
	We're not putting it onto it.
	No, no, that's exactly right.
	And he had real skin in the game.
	And he came out despite all of this and did the right thing, in my opinion.
	So I will always have a huge amount of respect for that.
	And I think that he is a very deep soul.
	He seems to be someone who is caring and sensitive and has not been treated the way that the left-wing internet will treat you when you show flat and frank opposition to their positions.
	They will just treat you like you're some sort of monster.
	And they have tried to monster Jordan Peterson lots and lots of times.
	And I think that it's hurt him.
	I think that's done him real psychic damage.
	And so I don't want him to change, but he does need to be able to find that kind of armor that can go around his heart on that.
	And just be like, look, you know.
	Sorry, I agree.
	I think, you know, I've been watching him, his descent into, you know, there's a lot of people who do this internet.
	You're in the internet thunderdome, whether you're a content creator or just Twitter arguer or whatever, you have like a callus over those emotions.
	Jordan never had that.
	And I think it really ruined him.
	Like it really wore him down to where now he's always like one mean tweet away from a meltdown, versus like, you know, I had a lot of problems with his random, bizarre boomer takes on censorship and how trolls are demonic and all this stuff.
	It was kind of weird take.
	But I just think he still has a strong what we need him to be stronger and less easily because it seems like he's always like, you know, having a bit of a moment nowadays.
	And I wonder if he can be redeemed, if he can kind of build that armor back up.
	Well, this is the thing, isn't it?
	Like, you are right that Jordan Peason is like Peter Hitchens.
	He doesn't come from the internet.
	He comes from real life.
	And so they've spent their lifetime touching grass.
	And that means people treat you differently in the flesh.
	And he's trying to bring that presence to, say, anonymous trolls in his comment sections when he interviews Benjamin Netanyahu.
	It's like, yeah, that's a spicy comment section.
	Well, exactly.
	Exactly.
	You know exactly what's going to be in the comment section there.
	You know, it's going to be there and you know why it's going to be there.
	And you know that nowhere else on earth would you find it in the same way.
	So just ignore it.
	You know, it's, of course, that's going to bring out a bunch of anonymous trolls.
	That's the only way they can express that opinion.
	Don't sweat it.
	You know, these are these are actually a very small number of people, even if it's a few thousand.
	It's a few thousand from across the entire world.
	You know, don't sweat them.
	You know, they're not a big deal.
	I've seen it happen.
	You know, we know how these things work.
	It's like, you know, somebody posts in their Telegram, hey, everyone, go brigade this tweet.
	I mean, and then it happens and you start to get gaslit.
	And you're like, whoa, what the heck?
	I'm getting like the entire internet's turning on me.
	Yeah, right.
	It's just a mob.
	Yeah.
	And you're like, oh, well, if you've been around for a minute, this is why I'd like to sit Jordan down and be like, maybe you just don't need to be on Twitter.
	Like, maybe just don't be on Twitter.
	Close your comment section down on YouTube.
	If you literally can't handle it, I'd still rather have your voice.
	Yeah.
	But it's like when I see that, I'm like, oh, some leftist weirdo quote tweeted me.
	Or like something, I just know that something happened to where they like brigaded it.
	But it's easy to like, it's easy to question yourself when all of a sudden you have 200 people calling, you know, calling you or whatever, disagreeing with you, even.
	And I think that's what, that's what I wish someone would get to him and just say, bro, just, you know, just don't, just don't worry about the comments.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And more importantly as well, you've set up a strong position for yourself where people know the kind of person you are, the kind of things that you believe.
	This will naturally generate a certain number of just haters, you know, people who just irrationally hate you.
	You know, don't worry about them.
	Let them be irrational haters.
	You carry on projecting your strong message, and it is a strong message.
	Even now, even now, clean your room.
	It's a good, strong message, man.
	You know, and so I wish he was.
	Well, it's the same similar, it's not the same message, but it's the same.
	There's the same need for direction for young men that Andrew Tate taps into.
	Yeah.
	And where his message is more, some might say, toxic.
	I, I, I don't know.
	I never really was like a tate guy.
	I've never watched any of his streams.
	Yeah.
	I, I mean, like, he had some base takes about the lockdowns, but so did a lot of people.
	Oh, yeah.
	Like, didn't.
	Yeah, I know.
	That's that's what for me.
	I'm like, oh, he's against lockdowns.
	Big whoop.
	So was everybody's content that I consume.
	Like, it wasn't.
	But for him, his audience was, that was like a lot of the time.
	This young men, his audience is all young men.
	And I think that more Jordan Peterson, less Andrew Tate is better long term.
	And what's going on with him now?
	I saw you started talking about it a little bit.
	What do you think?
	How much tinfoil are you willing to put on your head for what's been a zero tinfoil or like a full round?
	It's pretty tinfoily these days.
	I mean, too many conspiracy theories have come true.
	That's the thing.
	Me and Arch are actually constantly arguing with Dev about this because he, of course, thinks that no tinfoil is required.
	And me and Arch are like, Yeah, but all of the tinfoil has been proven to be true so far.
	That's an audio bit too from Elon.
	Like, well, basically, every conspiracy theory about Twitter turned out to be true.
	But also, also, like, you know, the Wuhan lab and talking about that stuff.
	Now it's just like, oh, yeah, everyone knows that.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Idiot.
	Right.
	But, but then you've got like, oh, the CIA coming out and be like, yeah, actually, we may have shot JFK.
	And everyone's like, we knew.
	Oh, they waited.
	Yeah, they just knew, like, well, these people, these people don't care about anything.
	Let's just clear out our closet.
	But have you seen the amount of mainstream media stuff that's like, well, yeah, aliens kind of do exist as well.
	It's like this year, too.
	What the world is happening, man.
	I forgot about that arc this year where it's like, oh, yeah, aliens are.
	Duh.
	Yeah, duh.
	Look at these UFOs.
	You know, it's like, okay, right.
	Okay.
	So, I mean, the term conspiracy theorist, I tweeted this out the day.
	It's just lost all punch, right?
	It's lost the bite.
	Oh, you're a conspiracy theorist.
	Like, well, who isn't?
	Right.
	Yeah.
	We live in a maybeist world.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yeah.
	There are conspiracies going on, and often we get proof of them dumped in our lab from the world's richest man or something like this.
	You know, like, it's wild, isn't it?
	You know, it was funny that you could feel the collective in response to like the Twitter files.
	It was like you felt this collective.
	It was weird.
	You know, as I was covering it, a lot of people were like, yeah, no kidding.
	But I was like, no, no, you understand that, like, yeah, we all knew, but now we know.
	And that's like a very different thing.
	And for years now, it's like, oh, you mean like freaking Joe Biden's just Johnny Choo follower on Twitter makes a joke about the election?
	The freaking FBI is emailing Twitter to ban him.
	It turns out they are.
	Like, it sounds like there's such plausible deniability there.
	It's like, look, dude, you got 10 followers on Twitter and 30 people saw that tweet.
	Of course, the FBI didn't.
	Yeah, you could hire an agent to go and report that to Twitter.
	And then actually, it turns out they did.
	Yeah.
	The guy sitting down at the pub, like, man, the FBI got me.
	Now, you crazy old coot.
	Like, exactly.
	They're looking after you, Bill.
	You know, it turns out they were.
	Okay.
	Yeah, and that's the thing as well.
	Like, if you'd said, well, you know, Twitter and Facebook and all that are just staffed with feds, you'd be like, really?
	Well, it turns out, oh, sure.
	You know, turns out there's so many feds that have got their own private Slack channel there.
	So they can all talk to each other, have a little Fed talk.
	It's like, right, okay.
	All right.
	Well, Jim Baker, right?
	Like, that was my general counsel.
	And he was still there after Elon bought it, right?
	So then they're like, Elon basically says, open up the floodgates to whatever.
	And then they're like, wait a minute.
	Wait a minute.
	Jim Baker.
	Hmm.
	You mean the guy that's been like a conspiracy anti-Trumper for the past 10 years and cost his job?
	That guy?
	Yeah.
	Like that with James Comey.
	Yeah, right.
	Exactly.
	All these things.
	And he was the one pressuring them to censor the Hunter Biden laptop because it might have been hacked materials, even though the FBI knew it wasn't hacked materials.
	And are we supposed to believe that Jim Baker just had no idea?
	You know, it was bullets.
	Oh, yeah.
	You knew.
	Right.
	Of course you knew.
	You knew.
	Well, Politico still has that article up where it's like 50 intelligence people swore that this was hacked information.
	No retraction.
	50 intelligence people lied.
	That's right.
	They lied.
	They all lied.
	We know you're liars.
	You're fucking liars.
	God.
	If he and if Elon hadn't bought, there was just like, you just imagine like somewhere in a field, Elon or Alex Jones is like, I told you.
	I told you all, like, just feeling so vindicated.
	Yeah.
	And like, and that's just, by the way, that's, so I think it's a reasonable extrapolation.
	Of course, this also happened on Facebook, Instagram.
	Yeah.
	But every single time.
	Well, Mark Zuckerberg said it, right?
	Mark Zuckerberg said on his interview with Joe Rogan that the FBI contacted them to take things down.
	And he was like, well, we don't take things down.
	We derank it or whatever it was that he does.
	But like, so they definitely did it with basically all of the big social media platforms.
	It was so crazy that for a certain period of time, years, Twitter was just like, oh, this is normal.
	Like nobody inside Twitter is like, hey, actually, isn't it kind of weird that the, and I can, I'm speaking like from a legality perspective of United States citizens.
	It's like, hey, isn't this like the government infringing on like that amendment or whatever?
	Like some, some one employee out of 9,000 wasn't like, wait a minute.
	Wait, nobody did.
	And nothing.
	And a single person pushed back against the except we've seen one kind of one or two people were kind of like, but like, no, they were happy to do it.
	There were a couple of them actually saying, is this, are we comfortable with this?
	But like, you could see that the tide was traveling in that direction, you know, and they ended up doing it anyway.
	So well, you knew, I was going to say, you know, that you look around, you know.
	I imagine if you're like, not even a conservative, but like anything, like, you know, who you work with, you know, you're not winning any arguments.
	So you're probably like, you know, okay, well, I'm not going to, I'm not going to get fired for this.
	And the kind of cult-like celebration when they got to finally depart from Donald Trump as well.
	It changed the world.
	Oh, God.
	We've just, we're saving democracy, guys.
	You know, it's like, oh, God, this is ironically.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I didn't understand.
	I mean, it all that stuff for like people that were in the know that were watching, it was like seeing it confirmed.
	I was like, it was such a, it was still such an awesome feeling to be like, okay, yeah, we're not, not only are we not crazy, we were like right about everything.
	We were like one out of 10 or two out, like 10 out of 10.
	Everything that people thought Twitter was doing, they were doing that and more.
	And it's not, it's not just Twitter, is it?
	Like, because then you've got this entire linkage between the outer party and like Twitter going into the inner party and which is through the Hunter Biden laptop, which the outer party censored to protect the inner party, which is the coalition of like the FBI, the Democrats, basically, the DNC, and Biden himself, you know, taking money from China through his son.
	And it's like, wow, look at this unbelievable chain of corruption where we can actually accurately and factually map it out.
	And everyone's just like, okay, but what now?
	That's a great question.
	That's where we are now, right?
	You need to, that's kind of like what it, that's where we're at, though, right?
	Like, what do you know?
	You like burn it all down in Minecraft.
	I mean, it's like, it's so corrupt.
	What do you do?
	How would you possibly fix it?
	You got to, I mean, you got to destroy it and rebuild.
	Like, you got to destroy it and rebuild it from the ground up, hypothetically.
	Well, no, no, no.
	Yeah, but that's the problem, isn't it?
	Like, cause, and I'm not saying the Republicans aren't corrupt, right?
	They are, you know, they, of course, are, but the Republicans aren't really in control of very many institutions, it seems, right?
	You know, like it seems that the, what people call the deep state, um, has a general kind of animating will, and it opposes the Republicans.
	And the Republican Party is generally quite captured by MAGA at this point, which is a good thing.
	Yeah.
	But so, what do you do?
	Like, and all I can, all I can think of is a kind of secession of the plebs led by the Republicans, where essentially the Republican Party says, look, we're not going to participate anymore because you are too corrupt.
	And so, we're going to withdraw our assent to anything that you do.
	You know, we're not going to turn up for votes.
	We're not going to, you know, everything you do will be illegitimate from this point forward because we refuse to even engage in a vote with you because we think you're corrupt and you can't be trusted.
	You know, that's the only thing I can think of the Republicans doing at this point.
	Yeah, I mean, it's not like the government's going to willingly say we'll give up, we'll give up power and have less government.
	I think that the Joe Biden, it's not even the government, it's Joe Biden going to be like, you know what, guys, good point.
	It was 10% for the big guy.
	I was taking money from China.
	Yeah.
	All the evidence is there.
	So, okay, fair enough.
	I'll resign.
	You know, all right.
	Yeah.
	I think that you have these agencies that maybe they were always like this.
	I'm not as educated on it as I should be, but like, yeah, clearly now the FBI just is an arm of the PNC.
	Yeah.
	The CIA, same thing.
	Yeah.
	And like, you look at the stuff we know now about JFK and the reason he was removed from this planet was because that guy was anti-like CIA and he wanted these agencies gone.
	And coincidentally, basically, I guess my interpretation is that those agencies secured their jobs and secured their powers by removing somebody.
	The whole thing, all you were told growing up in school, it's just some guy on the grassy knoll.
	No, it's just Jack Ruby, wasn't it?
	You know, I don't know.
	Was it Jack Ruby or Jack Ruby shot?
	Um, Lee Harvey Oswald, sorry.
	Yes, right.
	So, yeah, no, no, it's just Lee Harvey Oswald, just some random dude.
	It's like, really?
	Okay, well, that's good to know.
	Hold off the perfect shot.
	You know, yeah, the perfect in the chat, it was the magic bullet pleb.
	It's like, yeah, exactly, exactly.
	I just don't, don't, I just can't go over it, man.
	So, yeah, it's weird.
	As like, uh, it's weird, but it's you probably rec similarly because you also cover it.
	Like, for me, like, as an American, I'm like, damn, man.
	Like, I can't trust anybody.
	Who am I supposed to trust?
	Like, good question.
	The FBI is censoring, like, they got 80 plus people on something, censoring Americans' First Amendment rights.
	My president wants to take away my Second Amendment rights.
	Every agency between me and them works for the president, works for the DNC.
	It became really obvious, I think, for people like with Comey and like where he was just openly anti-Trump.
	I was like, wait a minute, aren't you supposed to be like stopping Terry's?
	Are you supposed to be protecting?
	What do you worry?
	What are you, what are you pushing the piss dossier for?
	What are you pushing this Russian propaganda for?
	Or no, that was Jim Baker also pushed that.
	The Russian servers or something, whatever, which was just the constant three-year-long Russia investigation.
	I mean, like, if all of the peoples get investigated that deeply, I never thought it'd be Trump that turned up with basically nothing on him.
	How's that going to find something?
	He's totally clean.
	Oh, wait, I'm sorry.
	He used on the books laws to pay as little taxes as reasonable.
	Like everyone.
	Oh, no.
	I mean, that just raises him in my estimation.
	Everyone pays way too much tax.
	I'm quite radical against taxes these days.
	Especially the amount I have to pay to something with running your own business.
	Yeah, it is.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	It really is.
	I've got wages to pay.
	And the government's like, you know, just fuck you.
	You fucking scatter.
	I'd like to hire more people, but could you maybe stop taking 50 cents out of every dollar we generate?
	Thank you.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	No, that's exactly it.
	I'd love to hire more people.
	I would love to have bigger, bigger accommodations.
	I would love for us to do more, but the government just wants fucking tens of thousands of pounds off me every year.
	So it's like, okay, well, that's at least three or four jobs that I can't hire, you know, for those wages.
	That's just, it's gone.
	You know, I can't do it.
	Why?
	Because the government needs to send my money to fucking Ukraine.
	You know, what are you racist, Carl?
	Yeah.
	What against Ukrainians?
	Oh, my God.
	Yeah, we just said 1.8 trillion or whatever.
	Who cares?
	Print it.
	Whatever, man.
	It's we don't want to.
	It's going to supposed to snow this weekend in DC.
	We don't have time to read this.
	Here you go, American.
	Get effed.
	Did you see the article where they it was CBC, I think it was, or something like that, CNBC, had published an article.
	It's like, look, 30% of the money is actually reaching the front.
	That's higher than I expected.
	Hey, well, yeah, A.
	But wow, that's actually a better deal than I was expecting.
	That's not too bad.
	Two-thirds of it is just going missing.
	I was like, really?
	Really?
	That's really funny.
	You just pour trillions into Eastern Europe, but it just starts disappearing, does it?
	Hmm.
	Yeah, I wonder.
	Who could have predicted that?
	Yeah, and it's funny when, like, it's, it's, um, I spend a little less time on Twitter these days because I feel like it's just not as productive.
	You know, it's just, but like, argue with one of them once.
	It's insane.
	Like, bro, we're not, we didn't just give them $1.8 trillion.
	We sent them weapons.
	Like, what's the difference?
	In fact, it's worse because we're entering our coffers and then we're paying ourselves that money.
	Yeah.
	Our defense department that money.
	And they're charging us whatever they want.
	Yeah.
	Just like we did with Afghanistan.
	Like, and this is a point I was trying to make on Twitter, but like, because I did try arguing with some of these rabid people and you get some predictable reactions.
	You're pro-Russia.
	It's like, no, Russia is populated by literal orcs from Lord of the Rings.
	And Putin is probably literally Sauron.
	But, you know, no, I'm not really pro-Russia.
	But the things I'm not really anti-Russia either.
	To me, Russia is just a remote land of suffering that I don't really want to have anything to do with.
	But then Ukraine is like that for me as well.
	And so it's like, right, okay, I'm not pro or anti, but I'm not giving money to Putin, right?
	If I was giving money to Putin, I'd be like, look, he's corrupt.
	He's terrible, you know?
	And it's like, right, Zelensky is also corrupt and terrible.
	And we're pouring gold into his pockets.
	And man, the prices here are fucking unbelievable.
	You guys are out of your heating bills, man.
	Unbelievable.
	Like, it's at least doubled, possibly tripled.
	Same with all the food.
	It's just crazy how much more expensive everything has become.
	And it's like, right, fuck.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Well, screw you guys.
	Help you help Ukraine defeat Russia.
	You know what I always think is for all of these establishment talking heads who said that we need to, everyone needs to be afraid of Russia.
	Man, they can't even take on Ukraine.
	Yeah.
	Well, I'm supposed to be afraid of Russia.
	This is another talking point.
	Well, they'll be at the English channel by Christmas.
	Yeah.
	They're not even halfway through Ukraine.
	Fuck off, will they?
	Like the Russian army is not the Wehrmacht.
	But they're acting like this is 1941 or something.
	And it's like, no, no, you know, no.
	Things are very different.
	Soldiers that are 200 pounds overweight and in their 60s because they don't have anybody in their army.
	Do you think it's like that when I argue with these people?
	That's the thing.
	Like, well, it's a is a pieceman threat or like if you let it happen, because I'm just like, hey, whatever.
	Let have her.
	Can the United States just let something happen once without sticking our nose in it?
	And it's like, well, then, but if they do that, then they're said, but they're not gonna.
	I don't need a crystal ball.
	Putin is not going to invade a NATO country.
	It's not going to happen.
	Stop saying it.
	It's just not going to happen.
	As crazy as he is, it would never happen because he knows he would just get erased.
	I don't think he is crazy.
	I think he's desperate.
	You know?
	And the thing is, as well, I think that we totally overplayed our hand here, to be honest.
	They're like, okay, well, we'll just sanction Russia.
	It's like, yeah, okay, but we get loads of natural resources from Russia.
	We actually need Russia for the stuff that they give us.
	And suddenly, oh, look at the prices of everything that's through the roof.
	Oh, Germany's going to freeze this winter.
	Oh, fucking brilliant.
	You're sticking it to Putin, though.
	My friend was exiting from Germany.
	That's the thing that they're saying there.
	Like, $3,000 a month for heat.
	Yeah, yeah, you're doing it to defeat Putin.
	I love the, you know, to have a cold shower and say, stick it to Putin.
	So, ooh, take that Putin.
	It's like, oh, shut up.
	You know, fucking shut up.
	People buy it, though.
	That's the hilarious part.
	Like, here, I've never actually run into one of these weirdo Ukrainian people.
	And by the way, shout out to the Ukrainian people and the Russian people.
	Good luck.
	Talking about your government.
	And certainly the United States is not above criticism either.
	So feel free.
	Well, we spent off the screen criticizing the United States government.
	So I don't think we could be accused of being blind partisans for America or something.
	Yeah.
	Well, one of the most enraging, one of the most enraging infographics, when I, every time I think about Russia, I'm sorry, like Zelensky and everyone talking about how Ukraine's like the whatever, David versus Goliath.
	It's like one side, all they're printing like, Ukraine, one of the most corrupt governments in history.
	Oh, neo-Nazis do this.
	And the same people are like, praise Zelensky.
	He's a hero.
	Give him money.
	The Guardian flipped in the course of about three months.
	And it was like, okay.
	Well, it's just war propaganda.
	It's just war propaganda.
	Just freeze for Putin, man.
	Yeah.
	This is the thing I can't.
	Freeze for Zelensky.
	Sorry.
	Yeah.
	I don't.
	How has Zelensky got so much money in offshore accounts?
	That's the question.
	Like, so it was in the Pandora Papers revealed that he had like something like $750 million.
	It's like, really?
	Ukrainian comedian has $750 million in an offshore account.
	How?
	Tell me how.
	Yeah, because somebody said, we need you to start this war.
	Yeah, we need you to possibly.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Now, folks, get your Tinfo hats on right because that's a spoiler alert.
	What would normally be called a conspiracy theory?
	Well, this time next year, come back and check that.
	See if we have any concrete information about that.
	Yeah, because the timeline to prove.
	Yeah, the timeline to prove these things correct is much shorter than it used to be.
	It was like the saying used to be given a long enough timeline.
	Alex Jones is always right.
	Like, now it's like, just give it a year and we'll see, you know, emails leak and all this stuff where it's like, okay, well, if there's a conflict over here, you know, maybe the American people will stop worrying about how we bungled the response to the coup so badly.
	Like, oh, wow, Americans, now that we're not at war with Afghanistan, they're starting to ask too many questions.
	This is all hypothetical and Minecraft stuff.
	But now, to me, in just six short months since the Twitter files, everything's become a possibility to me now.
	I'm just like, yep, it's pop.
	Whatever sounds crazy, that's probably what's happening.
	This is the point I was going to make earlier.
	Notice how nobody gives a flying fuck about Afghanistan anymore.
	Like for 20 years, that's all we heard.
	It's completely run by the Taliban now, and no one cares.
	We've got to bring democracy to Afghanistan until Joe Biden's like, yeah, no, fuck it, actually.
	Bye.
	And now you get the articles from the publications that wish the very left-wing ones going like, hey, guys, the Taliban are basically setting up the handmade's tail in Afghanistan.
	And everyone's just like, well, not our problem.
	What are we supposed to do about it?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Exactly.
	There we go.
	What are we supposed to do about it?
	It's like, yes.
	Because really, that's not actually our business, is it?
	No.
	It's not really our business.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And I don't want to have to have any hand in it.
	Barbarians gonna barbarian.
	That's how I view it, right?
	Like, literally, they're all gonna do terrible things.
	30 years in Afghanistan, the second we leave, they're right back to the barbarianing.
	Yeah.
	You know, exactly.
	Yeah, literally the next day.
	The next fucking day.
	Yeah.
	It's like, what better example do you need that?
	Like, the world, well, first of all, now that I'm older and more, like, a little more educated, it's like, oh, it was never about, I mean, at the time, I knew it wasn't about 9-11, but now it's like, oh, you were there for 30 years, what?
	Babysitting important United States assets, maybe?
	Probably some sort of oil pipeline or mineral.
	Yeah.
	Or maybe those darn poppy seed fields that are full of that ingredient that all of our hydrocodone and all the Vicodin and all this stuff required and all the pills in America.
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	I don't know.
	So this is the point that I was going to make.
	It's like, okay, so America is there for as long as America is there.
	And things are presumably okay for as long as America is there.
	But America won't always be there.
	And so this is the same thing with Ukraine.
	Ukraine will always be next to Russia, but America won't always be sending them stacks of cash and guns, you know?
	Yeah.
	And so, okay, well, when America decides, actually, yeah, this was the latest unwinnable war that we're just not bothered about anymore.
	Bye.
	Good luck.
	Are the Russians going to have disappeared?
	Are they?
	No.
	Russia is an ancient state.
	It's going to be there.
	And the Russians are going to be like, right, finally.
	And so the more we make it hurt now, the worse the revenge will be, which is what the Germans found out in the fucking World War II.
	Yeah, big fact.
	That's the other thing with the whole world police thing.
	It's like, that's how you create more people willing to blow themselves up.
	Like, because they'll say, oh, America abandoned us.
	So it's like you actually create.
	Right.
	They will.
	And so you came in there, you screw up their whole life, their whole system.
	You walk away.
	And now you were fighting a small group of people, but now everyone you abandoned also hates the West because you left them.
	And now it's worse than it ever was.
	Now you have the Taliban running everything top to bottom.
	And now who do you think they blame?
	The Taliban?
	Nope.
	They blame America because they love.
	Great Satan.
	Speaking of the Great Satan, Andrew, are you with us?
	Can you hear us?
	I am.
	I think so.
	Hey, how's it going, man?
	I'm great.
	Hey, Jeremy, how are you?
	Good.
	How are you?
	Good.
	Good.
	Merry belated Christmas to everyone and a happy new year.
	And to you.
	Thanks for the microaggression.
	It's actually happy holidays here in the States.
	I am in the States.
	Well, I'm in Florida.
	I'm in.
	Oh.
	So I don't even know if that's Merry Christmas.
	The last free state.
	Is that even like real America now?
	Yeah, it is.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Even, oh man, I hear so many.
	And don't get me wrong, Texans.
	I love you guys, but every time something happens in Texas, I just get these two words in my mind: purple state.
	Purple state.
	Like some drag queen store out or something.
	And it's like, Texans, how are you allowing this to happen?
	Go to Austin once.
	I mean, Austin's like San Francisco.
	I did.
	They have to be bad.
	Well, they have, I mean, it's bad.
	It's getting worse.
	That bad now, is it?
	Yeah.
	I mean, there's the same kind of homeless camps you see in San Francisco and Austin.
	And by the way, they aren't the homeless camp.
	They're not migrants.
	There are people that move there who are, you know, hippies or whatever.
	You'll never guess who runs the government there.
	Yeah.
	You'll never guess.
	Which party could it be?
	I just damn libertarians.
	Yeah.
	The answer will shock you.
	The libertarians finally got a, you know, if you've, if you've been following the story, well, you probably have Andrew.
	Well, I don't know about you, but Carl, but the The university kids in Idaho.
	It made big news headlines because it was like four beautiful women.
	So this, so essentially, without getting, well, you're demonetized anyway, but the so there's like four beautiful co-eds that get stabbed in their sleep.
	No leads, no evidence.
	Six people in the house, two people survive, saw nothing.
	Weeks go by.
	They find a guy, arrest him yesterday.
	Looks like a total psychopath too.
	Headline, libertarian, and then his name.
	I was like, are you kidding me?
	Like, his political affiliation is the first most important thing about this, a murderer.
	Like, God.
	And then later on, I was like, yeah, no discernible social media.
	It's like, maybe let's just say he's a serial killer or a mess, you know, a terrible person.
	Like, maybe that, that's more important than who he voted for.
	I love, I love that the libertarian part is the most important facet of his personality.
	Yeah.
	It really is, it's a big reveal from the people writing the story, isn't it?
	You know, how do we politically catch them?
	Are you sure he didn't vote for Trump?
	Are you sure?
	Maybe he's a part of the party, but he broke from it.
	Can we just maintain?
	It's the same thing like with the Paul Pelosi.
	Yeah.
	You know, it was like, oh, well, it's because of this rhetoric from Trump and the Republicans.
	He's a mega Trumper.
	Yeah.
	He's a mega mega, you know.
	Yeah.
	And what's funny is you can go back and find like they're like, oh, Democrat.
	It's all about the Republicans and their violent rhetoric.
	In the meantime, you can go back and find tons of Democrats doing the same thing.
	It's unbelievable.
	Even Joe.
	How wild and brazen the Democrats are.
	In the last maxim water, he was like, oh, you know, I hear about things, you know, from people in Congress and I just want to like pop them.
	And you're like, that's, you know, president of the United States a little unhinged.
	That's fine.
	You know, that's okay.
	AOC calling the ice border camps concentration camps.
	And it's like, you are saying they're extermination camps when you say that.
	Everyone knows it.
	You know, it's fucking wild.
	And they have the gall to say that the Republicans are committing stochastic terrorism.
	It's like, get fucked.
	And then AOC, you know, all these Republicans went down to the border to make a point.
	You know, like, well, we need border security.
	We need funding.
	And then the diversity hire, the cringe Jean-Pierre.
	The mouth of Biden.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	She goes, oh, well, you know, they just want to do political stunts.
	And you're like, yeah, Democrats have never done political stunts at the border.
	Oh, just be at the border weeping and sobbing like AOC.
	Fucking head of an empty parking lot.
	I just can't get over the balls on Democrats, to be honest.
	Like the lies are so big, so brazen and so obviously refutable and instantly so.
	What's the Fox News guy who they all hate?
	No, no, no.
	The guy in the press briefing where he just asked the question, you know, and I can't remember his name now, but he just asked that one question.
	And it just makes them always just shut down.
	You know, that's, that's it.
	Press conference over.
	You know, it's like, got you.
	Every time.
	At least with Trump, you had like McAnenney who would like spar.
	She was on it as well.
	Yeah.
	She was one of the, I mean, she was like, I had like a, like, had some dreams about that woman.
	But like, it was like these, the Democrat ones are like, ah, we're not going to answer that.
	Now, now, now, it's like Andrew said, diversity higher.
	Like, a lot of the time, she just doesn't have a pre-prepared talking point.
	And so she's like, I don't, I don't know.
	And, and that's fine.
	You can, you can not know.
	You, you can go in there and go, I don't have an answer for you right now.
	But there were things like, um, there's an ongoing baby formula crisis.
	What's happening?
	And they're like, oh, I don't have an answer for that right now.
	Like, what?
	How do you know?
	What?
	And this baby formula crisis is actually still going on.
	And now it's child's medication.
	Yeah, the baby aspirin and stuff you can't get now.
	Yeah.
	And I've seen America.
	I've seen on Twitter where people are like, oh, I had the flu or I had COVID.
	And, you know.
	Uh, I went to the store to get medicine and there was nothing there like for for my cold my, my flu, and you're like you're, this is, you're right, this is America.
	Yeah yeah, it was the weirdest thing to see empty shelves of medicine.
	I was like, how did this happen?
	You know what?
	Just sorry to interrupt, but people are in the chat saying it's Peter Doocy.
	That's correct, it is Peter Doocy.
	Andrew did try telling you he did have all right, just just credit where credit is due.
	Yeah sorry I, I wasn't listening.
	Um, but how, how was your year generally, Andrew?
	Yeah, because obviously your channel looked like it was doing great.
	So that's good it's doing.
	Okay yeah, I had um, I it, it's.
	It was a hot minute, since I had a video that did over a million views and uh, so I didn't know, do you have a sad music to queue off, Carl?
	Well hey hey look, for first of all, i'm I.
	I watch the Lotus Theaters all the time.
	Uh, so you know that, that you know I, I love you guys put out clips and stuff and they're and they're long and they're fun.
	And uh, you know I, you're doing great.
	You know me, I I don't.
	You know, I don't have a staff, you know well yeah, that may be true, but I really do enjoy your uh delivery, though I have to say I I, every time, this is Joe Biden and I, from that point onwards, you know it's going to be fun.
	Honestly, this is fun videos, I tell you.
	The last one uh, I actually I actually have um kind of like an ongoing google sheet of just like clips and I added like a whole bunch to it, like you know, from the last couple months and uh and I was going to do kind of like a top 100 kind of thing, but it's just so hard to figure out how to present like all these, like all the dumb little moments, so I tried to create like a little narrative about it.
	You know, like it's, it's his, as Ben Chapara would say, his ongoing battle with the uh, with the teleprompter.
	Uh he's he's so, he's.
	So um like, my theory is that he doesn't, he doesn't write these things.
	Obviously, you know that he has staff for that, that's fine, but he doesn't look at the script before he starts to read it.
	He doesn't know what a nano chip is.
	He thinks that uh he, he goes get, get instead of get vac, get masked or vaxed, he wrote.
	He said uh, it's, wear a mask or vax, ed.
	And you're like, come on, are you, you really, are you legitimately that stupid?
	You know, and end of quote.
	Repeat the line, you know, I mean he, he literally is not old though right, so he's a.
	Exactly so like.
	Actually, there's a part of me that's starting to kind of come around to being understanding.
	When Joe Biden flubs everything that he's doing, it's like well, I mean, he is literally twice my age.
	You know, he's obviously senile.
	But um Phil, how are you doing man?
	Hello Carl and hello Jeremy.
	Andrew I, I don't, I don't know you, i'm not familiar with you.
	My name's Phil.
	I sing in a metal band called ALL THAT Remains, and i'm a fan of Carl And Jeremy.
	I've been watching these two guys for ages and ages.
	So thanks, man.
	Uh, Andrew runs a channel called don't walk run, uh I.
	I discovered Andrew when he had fuck all subscribers.
	I can't remember who was.
	It was really tiny channel, but they were really amusing videos and it's nice to see his channel literally explode.
	You know My channel.
	Congratulations, Andrew.
	Thank you.
	I had just a quick aside.
	I did like three Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez videos like within a week.
	And suddenly, you know, one of them, like the algorithm just finally kicked in.
	And suddenly I had 10,000 subscribers.
	And people are like, who are you?
	Like, where did you come from?
	And I had this back catalog of all these other videos.
	So it wasn't just like, oh, I did a video, like, I did like two videos of me living my van life.
	I knew I was going to say, you know, like one million subs.
	Exactly.
	So, and then within three months, I had, I had 100,000 subscribers and it was just, you know, all organic, which, which is, is nice.
	You know, like I, I had to pay later on.
	No, I'm kidding.
	Yeah.
	And I know.
	How did you have to pay?
	Was it, was it actual money or was it favors?
	You know, a little bit of A, a little bit of B. Good.
	I do that with planes.
	I do that like with miles and dollars.
	Kind of the same kind of deal.
	Favors and dollars.
	It works the same.
	Yeah, my Amex doesn't have a limit.
	So I can.
	So, Phil, give me some halt takes about 2022 and what you think about.
	Hot takes about 2022.
	Obviously, well, I don't know about obviously.
	I think to me personally, the biggest story was probably Elon Musk with Twitter.
	And that's because of the reverberations that it's had.
	I mean, globally.
	And I think that it's probably the most important thing for the culture war for two reasons.
	One, it gives, so I know that Twitter doesn't technically have a perspective.
	If, you know, without some kind of, without the former bosses in control, it doesn't really have a perspective.
	It's, it's more open because there's plenty of leftists that are on there that don't get banned just for being leftists.
	But people on the right being, you know, at least having the ability to have their opinions heard, it's nice to have that kind of outlet in addition to Fox News.
	And the reason I say that is I'm not a big fan of Fox News, but the mono message that Jeremy, you talk about all the time, the message, which is, I think it's hilarious.
	But anyways, the mono message that gets, you know, put out into society and stuff, Fox News has been beaten up so well by the mainstream and so many people just disregard it out of hand.
	I think that having Twitter at least be a place where other dissenting voices that aren't Fox News approved can get significant amplification.
	I think that's really, really, really important for the global conversation or whatever you want to call it.
	I think that's the most important thing.
	And I think that that's going to have the most the most reverberations throughout society, to be honest with you.
	So we've got a question from the chat that I think is a good one.
	Will Elon get Epstein?
	No, no, I think he has too much security, you know.
	So, no.
	He's also really important to the U.S. government.
	I mean, a lot of the work he does with SpaceX for our Defense Department and a lot of other stuff that we don't really that aren't so public.
	He's a pretty important dude for them.
	I would say that to piggyback on the Twitter thing, I think it's also, it's also important that, by the way, all this extra like happiness we're feeling and interactions we're feeling on Twitter.
	We saw Don Carpe Donctum got on banned yesterday.
	They still haven't even lifted the shadow bans and the deboosting.
	That stuff is still in effect.
	So what do you think the rationale for that is?
	I don't understand it because I think, here's what I think.
	I'm somewhat of a resident Elon whisperer.
	I'm thinking he replied to your tweets.
	I mean, look, that's something that's massive.
	Yeah.
	Don't sell yourself, Jeremy.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I'm kind of a big deal.
	Excuse me.
	I run a channel called The Quartering.
	Maybe you've heard.
	I think you'll find I'm on that guest list.
	Show up at Twitter HQ.
	What do you mean?
	He's liked several of my tweets, sir.
	Um, the, the, the, uh, I think that they'll do, I.
	I think, okay, here's what I think: is that they know that the advertisers have been very sketch, very skittish since he's taken over.
	Tens of millions of dollars have pulled back.
	Yeah.
	That will come back because if you can make money, you spend money there.
	Just like the apocalypse, they'll come back.
	However, I think if he wants to say, like, oh, if he, if he just removes deboosting without a plan to say, you know, why they were deboosted, I think he wants to open it up to like an appeals process.
	Yeah.
	Which he did say that.
	Yeah, which must, I'm assuming, must be so he can tell the press when they invariably run their, you know, Elon Musk is now promoting far-right opinions.
	He could say, like, oh, well, still, you know, here's why they were deboosted before and they had an appeals process.
	I'm thinking it's for advertisers.
	It doesn't make sense to me.
	Why don't just press the button and like end the program completely?
	But it must be for advertisers.
	Well, he also said that he was going to have an interface where you could check and see if you were ever shadow banned or, you know, I guess maybe currently shadow banned, you know, things like that.
	So maybe he's trying to work.
	Why even have that?
	It makes no sense to me.
	Like, why does he even have that?
	You know what I mean?
	Like, I think you've got it right there.
	Because if he, because there could be some people who've been shadow banned for a legitimate reason, I don't know what that is.
	And I don't know who.
	He said that, like, for propaganda or other things like that.
	But I mean, you know, I don't know.
	Who knows what the reasons are, right?
	So it could well be that if he comes back and unshadow bans a bunch of people, then exactly, advertisers, the powers that be get too skittish and like, oh, no, this is, we've got to pull.
	And so maybe taking a kind of slow and steady procession on it is a good idea.
	But I mean, some of the unbans, he didn't just unban everybody.
	He's kind of like slowly rolling them back out.
	I can't believe I got unbanned.
	I can't believe I got unbanned.
	I wasn't expecting it.
	I think it's the worst decision that Elon's made personally.
	Yeah, one v2.
	So does Peter Hitchens.
	I saw that today.
	I was so bummed out.
	I'm like, because I kind of like Peter Hitchens.
	Sorry, I do.
	I kind of like him.
	And I saw that he was, that you guys were beefing.
	And I'm like, oh, man, this is a bummer.
	Kind of big guy.
	I wasn't beefing.
	I was being totally polite and genuine with my questioning.
	I was being nice.
	But okay, so give us some predictions for 2023.
	How shit are things going to get?
	Well, I think that the Ukraine war with Russia is still the most dangerous thing going on in the world.
	Although there is an argument about, you know, Taiwan and China, from what I hear, China's been making more military moves recently that are not really getting a lot of people.
	They buzzed an American plane the other day, didn't they?
	Did they?
	I didn't hear that.
	Yeah, yeah, it was provocative, apparently.
	So, yeah, I think that there's a lot of dangerous things that are, you know, that are going on.
	And I still think that Russia is the worst threat.
	I heard that Putin just met or said that he wants to meet with Xi Jinping and he called him my dear friend or something like that.
	So they're getting closer and trying to solidify that relationship.
	And to be honest with you, the U.S., I think that the U.S. in and of itself is still a significant, it's still the global powerhouse.
	I think, honestly, I think that the kind of winds are changing, but I think that the U.S. could still, like, I've heard you talk about being the global hegemon and stuff.
	I think that the U.S. can still maintain, could maintain that role if it wanted to.
	If it decided to change course with the current political climate in the U.S., I don't think that that is long for the world.
	I think there will be a new global order coming if the U.S. continues to go down the road that it's going on, because really the U.S. has strongly deferred to what the UN wants and what other NGOs are looking for.
	And I think that that's a trend that's going to continue.
	And it's going to be a lot of fun.
	This is what NAF is predicting, isn't it?
	They were like, oh, it's going to be a multipolar world.
	It's like, oh, great.
	You know, fucking brilliant.
	It's not good.
	No, no.
	And if it wasn't that the like, I mean, driving Russia towards China just strikes me as such a profoundly stupid thing to do.
	And I wonder if it's like cold war boomers who have got like Russia as the boogeyman in their mind.
	Because I don't really care about Russia.
	And I just think, well, they're a massive country that's got loads of resources.
	And we could corrupt with capitalism and just bring them, you know, here's loads of money here.
	Ooh, look at all, look at how well all the Russians are doing.
	And just totally bring them into the Western orbit if you wanted, right?
	And instead, it's like, no, go to China.
	It's like.
	Do you, does anybody, do any of you guys know more than just like one or two Russians?
	Like that are.
	I don't know any Russians.
	No.
	No.
	I know one Russian.
	She's hot.
	And that's all we're going to talk about that Russian.
	I used to work with a Russian woman who was on a trawler and she was not hot.
	She could literally pick you up and break you over a knee.
	That's hot, though.
	Fair enough.
	What are you saying, bro?
	I'm just saying.
	Are you talking about Zarya from Overwatch?
	No, but she did look like her.
	She was a very tough lady, right?
	Because she had literally worked on a fishing trawler before she came here.
	And there was a kind of attitude around her that she was genuinely disdainful of the soft Western men.
	You could tell.
	She was like, yeah, I'm fucking disease.
	And I was just like, well, you're not wrong.
	The first time that I went to Russia to play, we were in Moscow and we were at the bar in the hotel.
	And I was hanging out with this particular girl and our drum tech, who actually happened to drum tech for Guns and Roses for a while.
	Great dude named Amy.
	We're hanging out.
	Well, you know, I do have gold records on the wall in case you didn't notice.
	I have 100,000 YouTube subscriber packages just over there.
	I got one of those two for all the new means.
	They finally sent it.
	Wait, I thought you ran the quartering.
	Don't you have?
	Oh, yeah, where's my gold one?
	Yeah, I have a gold one.
	Shut the fuck up.
	Fair enough.
	Fair enough.
	Real gold paint.
	Yeah.
	We're hanging out and the Russian dudes were not happy that we were hanging out with Russian girls.
	You know, I've heard stories that in Russia, if you're a pretty young lady, it's very hard to get a visa to leave Russia.
	And that was my impression when I was there.
	I'm not really sure the attitude of most Russians, but the Russian dudes that were at the bar, they weren't pleased.
	That lines up with a lot of other, you know, like they don't like their women dating foreigners, you know, like in a lot of the, even obviously, like in the Middle Eastern countries, too.
	Like, you know, they don't want you to tell them how awesome capitalism is.
	There's so much food in the U.S. compared to Russia.
	They turned into babushkas earlier.
	Instead of waiting until they hit the like 35-40, they're turning into babushkas at 2530.
	Yeah.
	This is the thing that drives me mental about like the Western way we talk about Russia.
	Because like, I, you know, I've read a bit of Russian history and I'm just like, wow, this is terrible.
	Like, it's just nothing but terrible things.
	Oh, good.
	New century.
	Great.
	New terrible thing.
	Oh, more terrible things.
	Oh, my God.
	This is the worst thing that's ever happened to anyone ever.
	And now we've arrived at the 20th century and it's even worse than everything else that had come before combined in one century.
	And it's just like, right.
	Okay.
	You know, there's a part of me that just feels bad for people in that area of the world.
	Like, and it's not just Russia.
	It's everywhere around it.
	It's just like, wow, that is terrible.
	And then you get some fucking prissy American who comes along and goes, well, excuse me, are you not a liberal democracy?
	It's like, fucking, you know, fucking hell, you know?
	Russia's corrupt and run by an autocrat.
	It's like, yeah.
	It's no surprise whatsoever.
	And there, but for the grace of God is how I look at Russia, you know.
	So people often talk about how Putin is too.
	It's like they've never lived through one regime change into another because the next guy's usually not better.
	Yeah.
	And like, you know, I don't like Putin, obviously, but like, I think he's probably the best you could expect from Russia in the current context, right?
	Like, he's not insane.
	He's just interested in Russian survival, which, okay, you can work with that, right?
	It's predictable, you know?
	And so, you know, just about me, Carl.
	I hate Russia and I hate Putin.
	I don't know what you're talking about.
	I love it.
	Where's my blue and yellow marker?
	Where's my blue and yellow marker?
	I love Muster.
	You know, all the think pieces when like Segorbachov just recently died, but everybody's kind of like looking back at him like, oh, he was like, he was so great compared to Putin.
	You know, it's like they go back and they think, oh, well, you know, Khrushchev was, he was, he was so progressive.
	And you're like, come on, really?
	People that, in a way, you could argue, yes, because they were communists.
	You know, of course, they were more progressive than Putin, who isn't a communist, you know?
	The remark that you guys were talking about just a second ago made me think of something that libertarians deal with all the time.
	If you have the option to make all the sweatshops in the world disappear, do you?
	And it's always the knee-jerk, I'm the nice liberal that says yes without any thought to the fact that what does that do to the people that even though their situation is bad, how many people have a worse situation without the sweatshops?
	Now, I'm not saying that the sweatshops are good.
	That's not an argument for pro sweatshop standstick.
	Phil comes out with his sweatshop apologia on my screen.
	I can't believe it.
	I was like, I'm on my stream for a nice day.
	You are completely correct, though, man.
	Like, people go hungry if you abolish sweatshops tomorrow.
	Yeah, or they go into sex slavery or something more horrible.
	You know, things can always get worse.
	I'm not commenting on that.
	Hold on, Andrew.
	Andrew and I are, we don't, I don't even know how I got in here.
	I clicked a link on the internet.
	Oh, fuck.
	Say, Nicholas Sturgeon's turned up.
	Oh, my God.
	Hello, hello, Habibi's.
	Hello, BB.
	I got offline raided in Rust.
	I'm fucking furious.
	That's how I was going to spend my new year.
	And now your base is destroyed, and everyone's looted all your shit, and you're dead.
	Yeah, I'm playing Cities Excel instead.
	I had a smoke.
	It was a little bit stronger than I anticipated.
	I'm absolutely flattened right now, boys.
	But yeah.
	Fucking new year, new me.
	Oh, yeah.
	New year, new Twitter handle.
	Is that what it is?
	I've decided to be worse.
	I learned a lot from my mistakes, so I thought I'd make new mistakes.
	I'm so happy you're back on Twitter, Sargon, because anytime you fucking do something, people now just yell at you, the guy that actually done it.
	How long did it take?
	I'm sorry, Dankula.
	How long did it take for you to start trending after you returned to Twitter?
	Oh, it was like the same day.
	I mean, Jesus.
	Well, at least now they can complain.
	Yeah, like Dank used to say everyone would be like, tell your friend Sargon that he's an ass.
	All the fucking time they would come into my fucking mentions going like that.
	Well, Sargon said, that's what Lotus here.
	And you were like, well, I'm Sargon's secretary, so I'll take that down and pass that across to him right away.
	Go fucking take it up with him.
	Like, I'm not.
	I'm not.
	I've actually had people, though, go, yeah, you tweeted this at Jess Phillips.
	And I'm like, no, that's, that's, that's the other fucking thing.
	And you were like, Mr. Hitchens, it's not me.
	It's not me.
	I would be Carl's complaint department for 24 hours without hesitation.
	I can't afford that.
	For free.
	Jess Phillips is on the line again.
	Owen Jones is outside the building.
	He's tracked us down.
	The thing is, right, it's always stuff from fucking years ago.
	Like, it's like so many years ago.
	And I'm like, man, I don't know.
	I'm playing Warhammer with my son right now.
	Like, and it's like, sorry, Peter, I know you're angry about something I tweeted in 2016.
	You've done a lot of shit in the last few years.
	So people have got years of catching up.
	They've probably got a fucking Google Doc of a chronological fucking list of shit that they're going to pull you up.
	It's not how long ago.
	We're not even in 2017 yet.
	We can't let up on all this.
	Carl, it's not how long ago it was.
	It's how long you were gone.
	They have all this stuff they wanted to yell at you about for all that time.
	They didn't have an outlet, you know?
	Yeah, no, that's exactly it.
	That's exactly it.
	And the thing is, I care even less about their fucking opinions now than I did then.
	So don't know what to tell them.
	Send them my way.
	I will have fun with them.
	If you have a complaint for Carl, tweet at Phil That Remains.
	Tweet him.
	I will start redirecting in your direction.
	Well, you know, it's funny when you talk about how the left will pull up the past.
	They're like, you know, they'll see Tim Allen, you know, make a make a like a dick.
	The mugshot for cocaine.
	Like, okay, this, like, does it even matter?
	Like, you know, but there's a Tim Allen's cool.
	Got it, right?
	I still find that funny though, man.
	So you're under arrest for cocaine possession.
	But the guy spurred this time, you know, he's he, you know, I mean, just being buzzy also looks super boss in his mug shot, too.
	Like, people lost his mug shot and he looks cool as hell.
	Like, dang, man.
	He does look like a drug transporter.
	Like, if you ever want to just blind draw one, that's what that's what he looks like in his mug shot.
	I'm gonna try to find out if you embarrass that shit like Alex's boss, but they always bring up like you know, all these old things, uh, you know, but when you do it with Joe Biden, it's like, well, you know, Joe Biden like lied about his wife being murdered by a yeah, see, look at that guy, and they're like, oh, well, you know, it's, it's, it's baked into the cake.
	He he forgets things, you know, he just, he just, you know, he just says things.
	Like he keeps he keeps saying that, uh, like, like the other day, he said his son died in Iraq.
	It's like, no, he didn't.
	Yeah.
	Why would he say that?
	Or he's stupid.
	Or this guy, George Santos.
	I don't know if you've been following.
	Oh my God.
	I heard the name a lot.
	What's who's George Santos?
	So this Republican, this guy who ran for Congress and won in New York, in Long Island.
	A couple weeks after the election, or maybe like a month or so, the New York Times came out with this article and they were basically like that.
	Like this guy's lied about everything.
	He said he went to Baruch and NYU.
	He didn't go.
	He said his mom died in 9-11, you know, and then he's like, oh, he, they said, um, he said that he was a proud Jewish American.
	And he's like from Brazil.
	He lied in the most awesome way.
	He just went for it.
	Like just swinging for the fences, man.
	He's like, he's like, I owned, you know, at one point, he was complaining, saying that he owned 13 properties.
	And because there wasn't a, there was a moratorium on, you know, like on evictions that people weren't paying him.
	And he was angry about that.
	And he didn't even own any properties.
	And if he does, he hasn't like put them on his financial stuff.
	So, I mean, maybe it's true, maybe it's not.
	But, but the whole time, you're, you're like, okay, well, first of all, if he, if he didn't break the law, then fine.
	I mean, he has terrible character.
	But I mean, look at like Richard Blumenthal.
	He's a senator from Connecticut.
	And he said that like he was in the military and he said that he served in Vietnam like for a long time.
	And then you called him out for it.
	And he was like, oh, oh, I misspoke.
	How do you misspeak about serving in Vietnam?
	That's crazy.
	And then people still vote for him.
	So it's like, and I see this guy, Jeff, you know, Jeff Tiedrick, Jeremy.
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	Yeah.
	This guy comes on and he says, well, if it was a, if, if George Santos was a Democrat, Democrats would have forced him to resign already, like, you know, Elizabeth Warren.
	Pocahontas.
	You have Richard Blumenthal.
	You have, you have Ilhan Omar, who allegedly, allegedly married her brother.
	And that's like immigration fraud.
	Yeah.
	Citizenship, right?
	I love that that's the problem.
	Ilhan Omar marries her brother.
	Well, that's immigration fraud.
	Not incest.
	That's second.
	I'm joking, I joke.
	I'm joking just easy.
	I know why.
	It was a marriage for, yeah, okay.
	I know.
	But you have, but but they're like, oh, well, he should, you know, George Santos should resign because he lied about his job.
	Absolutely not.
	And you're like, Joe Biden said he was a truck driver.
	Joe Biden said that he was arrested, not just like for marching for civil rights, but was arrested in Soweto in South Africa.
	He was arrested when he went to the Capitol, like as you like before he became a senator.
	He was arrested for all these things.
	And you're like, what about him?
	And he's made the, it's one thing if you make a false claim and then people vote for you anyway.
	It's another thing when you're elected and then you make even dumber lies that are completely debunked.
	It's like, so where's the Democrats calling for his resignation?
	Oh, oh, I guess it's different.
	It's not the same thing, you know.
	Herbert, I mean, that's literally how it is.
	This is our guy.
	And that's it.
	That's all it comes down to with them.
	So, so when it comes to George Santos, like, do I, you know, if he broke the law, investigate, kick him out.
	That's fine.
	But, you know, I do I think he has a terrible character?
	Absolutely.
	Should I, am I calling for his resignation?
	No.
	No, not really.
	You know, because why should I?
	Because you're not calling for anybody else's resignation.
	Exactly.
	Not exactly worse.
	You know, like if it saying you're Jewish is not a crime, at least, you know, it's not a felony.
	Not any more than saying that you're not any more than Rachel Dolezal, whatever that woman that said that she was black and she's white or Sean King.
	How about after the air seeing her seeing her badge on your timeline?
	We saw that.
	Oh, that happened to you?
	I'm sorry.
	People send me shit like that.
	See the day when it came out, like that, you know, Dragon Lord.
	It turns out that Dragon Lord is back on Pornhub for everyone that wants, you know.
	And he just straight up uploaded a video of him playing a guy's meat kazoo.
	Right.
	And I woke up.
	And they're like, Dank, you got to update the update the Metlad.
	Update the Madlads.
	But it was just, I woke up that morning going, ah, what a beautiful day.
	I'll check.
	First thing I'll do in the morning is I will just check my business emails.
	And then my business emails is like the first place I've seen.
	And it was just, dude, you got to see this.
	And I opened it and it's just a picture of Dragon Lord sucking a cock.
	And then I went on Twitter and everyone's at me like, dude, bro, look, look, look what happened.
	And I was like, I've been awake for seven minutes.
	And I've already seen like a million pictures of Dragon Lords just going to town on a suddenly being my complaints hotline isn't so bad, is it?
	You know, definitely.
	I've got a dip for, you know, it's dinner reservation.
	So happy New Year to all of you.
	You too.
	And, you know, thanks for having me on, Carl.
	It's good to see you guys.
	Oh, dude.
	Thanks for joining me.
	It's always great to see you.
	Big fan, Jeremy, by the way.
	So how's Scotland, Dank?
	Our police called paedophiles minor attracted persons the other day.
	That's a bit weird, isn't it?
	Yeah, it's weird.
	What a weird choice of language.
	But the funny thing is, is basically, apparently, they phrased it like that in the document because that's how the EU phrased it.
	Oh, is it?
	And so the police force are now trying to blame the EU.
	No, that wasn't us.
	We just said it the way that the EU wrote it.
	So it's like, you know, that's worse.
	Yeah.
	No, that's exactly right.
	I mean, they just said it.
	We just copied it because we're fucking idiots, you know?
	Yeah.
	Why are you also reading out documents from the EU?
	We're gone.
	Wait, why are you listening to the French?
	There are French people in the EU.
	Why the hell are you listening to them?
	If there's anyone that I don't want to hear anything about child sex crimes from, it's the French.
	Or the Germans, actually.
	Or the Germans.
	In the 20th century, they literally housed.
	I mean, I'm not even, I'm not making this up.
	I swear to God, I'm not joking.
	There were a bunch of progressive Germans that were like, you know what, we need to prevent Nazism, guys.
	Maybe if we house homeless and orphaned children with paedophiles, they won't become Nazis.
	And it's like, right.
	I mean, maybe, but also, that seems like what an evil person would do.
	So I'm pretty sure it would have the opposite effect.
	I mean, if a guy gets put in with some touch-to-touching uncle, right, but by the time he hits 16, he's going to be like, I don't like gay people so much.
	I don't think it's going to work out the way they intended.
	Yeah, it's a really fucking awful idea.
	I mean, that's always the way it goes, though.
	Communists, like, they poke at liberals until liberals are like, all right, just, I don't care.
	Just make the commie shut up.
	Deb is in the chat screaming, I need to, uh, I need to read this book towards a gay communism by a gay communist who killed himself at like 30.
	Uh, he literally committed suicide in 1983 at the age of 30.
	Apparently, this is the book that this all comes from.
	I haven't read it yet because fucking look at it.
	I downloaded it and it's as bad as you're afraid of.
	Oh, it looks, I'm gonna have to do it, but it's great.
	What's the audiobook like?
	I'm not doing it.
	It's linked on pornhub.
	Gay communists talking about their book.
	Uh, sure, fighter.
	If you want to join, man, I sent you a link, so feel free to join.
	Come on, Dev.
	Yeah, we're just listening to your sip before I got a message.
	Come on and give us the blue pill perspective on all of the latest happenings.
	I mean, me and Arch have been teasing you about this for months.
	So, dang, what, like, how redeemable is Scotland?
	Can it be saved?
	I'm noticing some stirrings under the under the sparn.
	Do you know what I mean?
	Like, fucking people are starting to see how everyone was like for the longest fucking time, militant SNP.
	Like, just militant, doesn't matter, where you're just sort of like, but look at all these awful, terrible things that they're doing.
	And they're like, don't care, independence, independence, blah, blah, blah.
	But the more and more the SNP up, people are starting to go, I kind of don't want them in charge.
	Right.
	And one of the things that has been a blessing, see how, see, when it comes to the whole trans issue, Scotland is still very traditional.
	You'll get some of the most left-wing people.
	Like, see, you know, how feminists and trans rights can't, they can't, they can't exist together at all, right?
	They're always going to come like head to head.
	Basically, when Scotland came out, we all this gender strike, basically, it turns out that like 50% of women in Scotland are TERFs and turned against the SNP and all that.
	And all it took was for those wives to turn to their staunch Scottish husbands and say, the government just says that a man's allowed in the changing room with me.
	That's all it took.
	I will not be cucked to the government one second longer.
	So they're all starting to turn against it now.
	And the SNP are realizing they've dropped the ball, but you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube.
	So they've lost a lot of voters.
	There is a bit of sort of like the man who just started paying attention about it, though.
	It's like, I don't think the SNP likes Scotland at all, actually.
	You know, they're saying everything has to change and we're a bunch of racists.
	It's like, yes, they've been saying for a long time.
	So the Scottish National Scots, did you see that one?
	They've started calling them the New Scots, have they?
	Oh, yeah.
	The immigrants and asylum seekers that are coming here were called the hashtag New Scots.
	See, we don't have that in England.
	No one calls them the New English.
	That one went down very well.
	Yeah, that's a thing, right?
	That would be bad, I imagine, in Scotland.
	Well, Scottish are Scotch, right?
	Like, no, no, no, they did this in Sweden and Germany, man.
	are the new Germans, the new Swedes.
	But did it go over?
	Well, I mean, with Germans and Swedes, sure.
	But like with right-thinking people, everyone's like, holy shit.
	It's a bit creepy.
	The vast majority of woke Scots, or believe it or not, all the rich middle-class, like college kids and all that stuff, they're all the ones that are the most racist Scots that you'll ever ever meet live in the same areas as the migrants.
	Which is, I can't put two and two together, man.
	I've no idea why that's the case.
	I believe there might be some kind of, you know, maybe no causation correlation or something.
	Maybe I'm assuming.
	I don't know.
	You know, I'm not sure.
	Maybe there is a guy that does have a sense of humor.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	I know what this is, right?
	Because they've got it in their head.
	They're like, look, they only hate foreigners because they've never met foreigners.
	They've not had thousands of foreigners dumped in their communities arbitrarily and been told to get along.
	And if they had that, then they'd all be friends.
	That's what's going through their head.
	Yeah, it's the people of the problem.
	That's what it is.
	That's what it is.
	I mean, like, we've dumped some of the people in the world.
	I tweeted this people in a room and shouted in and said, I can't believe they're not singing Kumbaya.
	It's the Longshanks position.
	The problem with Scotland is there are too many fucking Scots.
	Say the SNP.
	Can we literally work in?
	Can we have one fucking quote, one stream without you quoting fucking Longshanks?
	If it wasn't so relevant, if this 14th century warlord wasn't right about Scotland.
	Well, I think the problem with Scotland is, you know, there's a lack of diversity.
	Here in the United States, you know, here in the United States, diversity is our strength.
	Right.
	So maybe, maybe that's your problem up there, Dank.
	I don't know.
	We've got lots of diversity, except our diversity is a lot.
	You just can't see.
	There needs to be more.
	Like a lot more.
	Basically, basically, we're diverse, but we're split by names, if you know what I mean.
	Down certainly, you know, some people are really, really fond of this thing called the royal family.
	Some other people are really fond of this thing called the Pope.
	Both of whom have died recently.
	Isn't there another island in the area that has a similar thing?
	Similar.
	The problems we have here actually came from there.
	Would you believe they came over in the boats with them?
	Another reason immigration is a bad idea.
	actually i have a question what do you i what does scotland think of king charles Well, you will, depending on the person, you will get a stronger answer.
	Now, there are the vast majority of Scots will tell you either they don't feel very strongly, like the vast majority don't recognize them as their royal family because history and the Jacobean rebellions and blah, blah, blah.
	I'd be here all fucking day explaining it to you why.
	Because basically, it should have been a Scot on the throne, but it wasn't, but he got overthrown because he was Catholic.
	It's complicated.
	Right.
	But basically, some of them will either say they don't really care but don't recognize them.
	And some will say, no, no, fuck the royal family.
	Fuck them.
	Burnt all down.
	Blah, blah, blah.
	Massacred other people for you, et cetera, et cetera, all the usual shit.
	But then you get the Protestant Scots who worship the royal family and fucking love them so very, very much.
	The salutes in the chat to the Protestant Scots chaps.
	The ones that sailed over and colonized a little part of Ireland that's now called Northern Ireland and gave it to the crown and made it part of Britain.
	And that caused no problems whatsoever.
	So yeah, in Scotland, it's not very pro-monarchy until you meet the ultra-pro-monarchists, but it's not the general opinion.
	Well, I just had a quick look, right?
	And a few surveys have found a 45 in favor and 55 against, which is roughly the kind of polling you get on independence, isn't it?
	The Protestants are the lower population usually because let's face it, they don't quite breed like Catholics.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	That's all right.
	I'm allowed to make that joke.
	It's fine.
	No, no, it's definitely true.
	They need to start cracking on.
	But yeah, so Scotland, though, man.
	Do you think that is, is it like, is there an alternative to the SNP?
	I'm genuinely curious.
	The Scottish Libertarian Party.
	Oh, five of us, man.
	I keep telling you, man, just register the Braveheart Party.
	Don't run any candidates.
	Just make sure you've got names and boxes, right?
	So that's an option on the sheet.
	And I bet that gets like 30% of the vote.
	No campaigning.
	No, no, no.
	We're going to track down all of the SNP's sexting victims and running them as a candidate against whoever sexted them.
	Do you want to know the weirder thing about that as well?
	See, all the sextant stuff?
	None of them get sacked.
	In fact, one of them just got brought back into the party.
	Of course they did.
	Of course they did.
	No one cares about sexual impropriety unless they already don't like the person.
	It's disgusting, but that's just the way that people behave.
	People will make excuses for sexual impropriety for people they like.
	And then they're, you know, oh, look at that person that, you know, looked at a kid the wrong way.
	If it's someone they don't like, it does not reality.
	Unfortunately, and I find this incredibly, it's a real black pill for me, but the fact that people really, really, really don't actually care about pedophilia the way they talk about it is really, really bad in my opinion.
	If they do the same thing, like they'll make excuses, but if we do it, they'll act like it's the worst thing in the world.
	For example, we've got boats coming across the channel with hordes and hordes of trafficked people every single day.
	but Andrew Tate captures a couple of Lithuanians in every one of these.
	I'm just saying, what's the difference?
	I don't actually know what Andrew Tate's actually done.
	Like, I don't follow him that closely.
	So as far as I know, he's accused of having girls, essentially, having girls come and do cam stuff for him.
	Like he manages to get them to work for the Cam thing.
	And there were some that were held against their will.
	That's what's alleged.
	Like the long and short of it, it's not detailed.
	It's not, I don't have a lot of info on it.
	That's what I've heard.
	So obviously, if he's done it, then it's bad.
	But he's also such a firebrand that I wouldn't in any way be surprised if there were people that were just like, oh, let's shut this guy up.
	And, you know, a lot of Eastern European countries have a reputation about how easy it is to get the government to do stuff if you have enough money in your pocket, you know?
	So I don't know that I don't know that that's the case.
	I'm just saying that that's the rest of the world.
	I think there was a point that Andrew did actually just outright say, I live in Romania because you can bribe the cops here.
	I think he said something like that.
	Don't quote me on that.
	I'm very misinformed in the whole thing.
	I just know the gist.
	I know Andrew Tate.
	I know, don't know him, but I know what type of content he makes and the stuff that he does.
	But I've never actually spoken to him.
	Legitimately, that's not a stupid thing to do.
	But if you're Andrew Tate, yeah.
	If you can find a place where you're like, I can black the cops.
	I mean, don't brag about it.
	You just, you know, it's like telling everybody.
	Yes.
	It's like telling everybody, hey, you know what?
	If you, if you want to go to the airport and, you know, you can, you can actually like pay to get in like a fast pass.
	You don't tell everybody that you, you, you know, because you want it for yourself.
	You know, you don't want everybody to know your secrets.
	I mean, like, if you, you know, what's the thing?
	It's this TSA pass where you get like $85 every five years or whatever.
	You don't tell everybody.
	We don't go, man, it's amazing.
	It's like, I'm going to tell y'all, yeah, it's okay.
	It's, it's fine, I guess.
	I'm going to dilute the absolute fuck out of the market where I make all my money.
	It's like, no, it's not, it's not a smart thing to do.
	See, this is why I just don't commit crimes.
	I'm too cheap to bribe the cops.
	I just can't bring myself to.
	No, you need to commit crime, man.
	It's fucking fun sometimes.
	Like, honestly.
	Look at me.
	Look at what I'm saying.
	What do you like about him?
	A million subs.
	Oh, yeah.
	Congratulations, Bob.
	You are committing crimes.
	Yeah, committing crime.
	Committing crime.
	Your life of crime actually worked out for you there, Dan.
	Yeah, it did.
	It paid off.
	It paid off, and I'm fine.
	I'm probably going to get unalived by Nicola Sturgeon one day.
	But yeah.
	Are you someone that they talk about a lot?
	Do you come up?
	Well, fun fact.
	What time is it right now?
	Holy shit.
	It's 20 to 12.
	So very close.
	So exactly, literally, exactly, almost to the minute.
	Two years ago, Nicola Sturgeon blocked me on Twitter.
	Like, blocked me.
	And apparently, I know some people in it, because I can't remember what I said.
	I went, it's amazing that people still think you're an independence party or something.
	And she blocked me on Twitter.
	But there are people in the SNP who like I talk to, we don't agree on stuff, but they talk to me.
	And apparently, anytime that I was brought up, I'm not brought up a lot.
	I unfortunately don't live in our head rent-free and all that.
	But apparently, if I'm ever spoke about, I'm referred to as this individual.
	So I just had a wank at the fact that I'm the Voldemort of the Scottish Parliament.
	I enjoy that very fucking much.
	Hamza Youssef fucking hates me.
	He hates me.
	He can't stand me.
	And that, that, that gets me up in the morning.
	That, like, I, I love that he fucked me.
	Would you like to explain to people who Hamza Youssef is?
	Hamza Yousuf, the easiest way is, did you ever see that angry fellow bitching about how white, white, white that the 96% white country was?
	That was Hamza Youssef.
	He basically did a big racist rant in parliament and then everyone clapped and cheered because brown.
	Yeah.
	And then that's literally what happened.
	Yeah, but then but he's fucked up monumentally so many times that it's just comical.
	He became justice minister, fucking passed the hate hate speech bill in Scotland, which can give you up to seven years in prison just for possessing an offensive meme on your phone.
	And that, believe it or not, that turned out to be wildly unpopular.
	So they ghosted him out of that position.
	And I think he's going to get fucked out of the party soon because mid-pandemic, they then made him health minister.
	After he fucked up the justice minister job, they made him health minister.
	And I think he has fucked it completely.
	Then he tried to get his kids into a nursery.
	The nursery then rejected his kids.
	He tried to say that it was because of racism.
	And then it turned out the owners of the nursery were from Sri Lanka.
	Right.
	And he was basically going, you kicked me out because I'm brown.
	Well, turns out so were they.
	And they were just like, no, we kicked you out because you were Pakistani.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, Sri Lankans and Pakistanis do not get along.
	But one of the best ones, I forgot the trailer thought.
	I was going down.
	I'm really high.
	I'm fucking sorry, man.
	It's fine.
	What was I going to say next?
	Hamza Yousford, what did he do?
	I don't.
	I remember like he fell off a scooter or something.
	He fell off a scooter and he fucking bitched and screamed about it because everyone was making fun of him.
	Like, I've got it printed onto a disc plate and it's hanging in my office.
	Just a picture of the just the exact like fucking frame where he just his face contacts the ground and he just eats shit.
	But what was the other thing that he did as well?
	He's fucking up the NHS like so badly right now and that he's getting blamed for it.
	I think they're putting him in all the positions that they know are going to get shit so they can just kick him out and fucking sack him.
	The other thing that he did, the other thing that he did, this is what I was going to get.
	Someone, because of his white, white, white fucking rant that he did in parliament, someone sent him an email calling him, calling Hamza Yousuf a racist piece of shit.
	Blah, blah, we don't need racists like you running this country, blah, blah, blah.
	Hamza Youssef had that guy arrested and charged with a racist hate crime for calling Hamza a racist.
	Okay, that's a very interesting move.
	Right.
	If you call someone a racist, that's an act of racism.
	Do you want to know how it was rationalized?
	Go really bad.
	Right.
	Basically, the guy called Hamza racist against white people.
	And Hamza argued, or at least a fucking lawyer or prosecutor or whatever, says that that was made on a judgment of his skin color.
	Right?
	Basically, you're being racist.
	And I'm assuming it's against white people because you're brown.
	That therefore makes it an assumption based on the color of someone's skin.
	And the guy who sent who the guy who called Hamza a racist was charged with racism.
	And the trial is still ongoing.
	But surely you don't have a justice system anymore.
	No, we don't.
	No.
	And the guy who sent you both just out of hand.
	Oh, no.
	Phil, we know.
	We don't know.
	Oh, no, sorry.
	Sorry.
	We do.
	If you're in a grooming gang, you'll get a very fair trial.
	Very, very fair.
	God damn.
	If you shout a law akbar in the courtroom as they sentence you for raping children, you'll get about three years in jail.
	God.
	Did that actually happen?
	Yes.
	Oh, fuck.
	And then in, I think it was Rochdale, you know, the girls that you raped and trafficked are wandering through the supermarket and you're just like, oh, hi there.
	And it's just like, right.
	That's Britain now, by the way.
	I don't know why they're still in the country, frankly.
	You should have been deported.
	I can't believe it.
	I mean, obviously, I don't think you guys are.
	But wasn't it the guy who sentenced you, Dank, who had previously sentenced a homeless person for possessing a firearm?
	And it turned out it was a BV gun or something.
	No, it was a water pistol, wasn't it?
	I think it might have been.
	Yeah.
	There was this homeless guy in Glasgow or whatever, who had a water pistol.
	And he was going up to people comically going, give me your money or else, right?
	Obvious joke, obvious bit of banter, you know, to make people instead of just being like, excuse me, have you got five pounds or something?
	You know, it's a bit of fun.
	And this, the judge who convicted Dankula actually convicted him of a firearms offense.
	Yeah.
	And that was it.
	And it wasn't even like you could mistake it.
	It was like this multi-colored children's toy.
	Like it was clearly, clearly a fucking toy.
	I mean, I'm sitting here literally, like, my firearm, actual firearm is like right here.
	I'm not picking it up because it's like minimum sentence, five years, minimum sentence.
	If you get caught with a firearm, like here, like minimum sentence.
	Or a water pistol.
	Or water pistol or a potato peeler.
	Yeah.
	Oh, yeah.
	That was a good one.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Dangerous potato peeler.
	And I don't know.
	I wonder why criminals just don't paint the tip of their guns orange to like throw cops off.
	I mean, they're illegal firearms anyway.
	Somebody who's up and it's like, oh, it's, oh, you know, it's not.
	They might not, the cops might not react as quickly if they think.
	No, they shot that kid, Tamir Rice.
	That kid had a square gun.
	The cops came out and shot him.
	They'll shoot you if you got a phone.
	Like if the cops are in a situation where they think that you have some kind of weapon, you like really, really, really need.
	If the cops come, you need to make sure that they see your hands.
	Like you can't have anything.
	You got to, whatever you have, drop it on the ground.
	It doesn't matter what it is.
	Make sure the cops see your hand because if the cops, they don't, they don't actually kill a lot of people in America, but they don't F around either.
	They want to go home.
	And if they think that you might hurt them, they're going to shoot you.
	Well, just for everybody who isn't in the know, Tamir Rice, I believe it was in Cleveland.
	There was this kid who was walking around a park with a toy handgun pointing it at people, like walking around.
	And somebody called the police.
	And then when the cops showed up, they saw a gun.
	But it was insane how they showed up, wasn't it?
	Yeah.
	And they came barreling over the fucking corner.
	Like when they saw that it was a kid, they should have at least taken the aggression down a little bit.
	Or at least tell them to drop it or something.
	No, no, no.
	Literally straight out bang.
	And it was like, holy shit.
	Yeah.
	It was rough.
	It was rough.
	But that can happen if you have like, you know, it doesn't matter if it's a, they're not looking for an orange tip.
	I mean, and I think now I don't want to like just be, you know, argumentative to just be argumentative.
	It's just a safety thing.
	It's like to talk about, oh, you know, what if they did this?
	Someone might get a dumb idea.
	Like, just if there's ever a question about a cop, drop whatever you have.
	It doesn't matter what you have.
	Put your hands up so they can see them.
	Because once the cops can see your hands, you are not going to get shot if they can see your hands.
	Even the dude that got, so there's this guy in Arizona that got shot by a cop.
	He was drunk wearing sweatpants and he's on his knees and he's drunk.
	And the cops got a rifle pointed at him.
	And the kid, and it's horrible and it should have never happened.
	The cop should be in jail.
	But the kid was drunk and his sweatpants were falling down.
	So he went to pull them up.
	And when his hands went behind him, the cop was like, and that was it.
	Yeah.
	You have to let cops see your hands.
	Like I'm a big gun guy and I go to classes and stuff.
	And anytime guns come up and stuff, I just, I feel like it's my responsibility to make sure that people know.
	Show the cops your hands.
	Show them your hands and you will, that will save your life.
	Don't pick your nose.
	Don't put them behind your head.
	Don't do anything.
	Just get your hands in the air and show them your hands.
	Well, you know, you know, you always hear, you always hear the thing about, well, you know, I'm my child is black and we have to have that conversation where, you know, it's time to have the conversation about what to do.
	You know, if you're pulled over or whatever, it's like, you know, fine.
	Like, you know, for, I think that that should go for any race, any kind of situation.
	You know, keep your hands in the steering wheel.
	Don't do this.
	Don't do that.
	But what, but you never hear like, okay, I'm going to sit down with my child and tell them not to carry around a gun, not to commit crimes, not to go shoplifting, not to do all these things.
	It's always like, well, you know, my, my very, very innocent child, I need to make sure that, you know, that they're interacting with the police properly so they don't get killed.
	It's like, but people, you know, the cops aren't running around killing people if they're not doing anything.
	Like, that's just, that's just statistically, whenever the cops come around, that's your fault because you didn't barricade the entrance to the estate.
	Just steal a couple of broken down cars from the next street.
	There are petrol bombs always hidden in the bush next to the, next to the railway bridge so that you can throw them off down onto the cop cars.
	Right.
	That's that's how we handle things here during the troubles.
	Sorry, hold on.
	For legal reasons, that's a joke.
	Sorry, for legal reasons, that's the joke.
	Says the person literally convicted for telling jokes.
	Brilliant, man.
	Brilliant defense.
	I'm sure that's going to stand up in a Scottish cause.
	I think I'm at the point where I'm a little bit unlikely.
	I'm not going to say like untouchable or something like that, but I think I've said a lot of wilder fucking shit since Nazi Pung, and I have definitely breaches hate speech laws.
	But I think they're just going, no, fuck it.
	If I arrest him again, everyone's just going to fucking kick off.
	That looks really bad.
	He literally dabbed in court.
	He dabbed in court as his fucking sentence was being read out.
	I did, by the way.
	You're getting the literal Peter Hitchens treatment from them, right?
	It's like he was so mad at me today.
	He was so upset.
	We fanboys were so upset with me as well.
	All I said was, I thought you were as cool as your brother.
	I was not.
	I can see why he was annoyed at you, to be honest.
	Yeah, I know, but like someone said something far more brutal than me, like in his replies.
	Like he retweeted it, going, I get this all the time.
	And someone else replied, going, what does that tell you?
	I was like, oh, God damn.
	I know you want to be friends with him, but I think he's a fucking knob.
	I think he's just saying he's not a knob, right?
	But I don't think that someone being a knob is necessarily a bad characteristic.
	Yeah, it is, but it's him because he forgets what his own brother was like.
	And then he was posting articles at you, like where you said a mean thing about an MP.
	And I was like, bro, your brother used to strut around debates, literally calling the feminists dykes.
	Universities, back when you could say things in university.
	Yeah.
	Well, with the feminists in the front row, you could actually say slurs.
	His brother was awesome.
	His brother on the Clintons was brilliant.
	It was amazing when his brother talked about the Clintons.
	Yeah.
	He wrote an entire book about them, didn't he?
	Yeah.
	You know, it was brutal.
	But I mean, like, if somebody defense, Peter, I've said a lot of bad things about a lot of MPs.
	I kind of hate them all.
	You know, I kind of think they're all pieces of shit.
	I don't know why Jess Phillips is the hill you're going to die on.
	There's a fantastic book called Democracy: The God That Failed.
	There's an interesting paragraph in it about what should happen to politicians after, you know, after we've taken over.
	I just want to say those are Hans Hermann's Hopper's words, not mine.
	It involves a lot.
	My lawyer advises me.
	I'm just going to get a refill on my drink.
	I'll be back in a second.
	I'm a fan of Hop.
	Okay.
	I like it.
	I do.
	I enjoy him very much.
	I've been reading an awful lot of his books, and then I hand them to like my staff when I'm finished.
	I'm just sort of like going around my office radicalizing everyone.
	It's fucking great, man.
	Next thing you might just keep them away from Mark's stuff because they'll start getting close to that anarchist, Marxist anarchist stuff.
	No, no, fuck that.
	That's not, that's not really anarchy, is it?
	Anyway, no one owns anything.
	Like, that's been decided for you.
	Fuck off.
	That's not fucking anarchy.
	Anarchy is way cooler than communism.
	Yeah.
	So, Andrew, what do you, I don't, I'm not familiar with your channel.
	Like, what, what are the things that you normally cover?
	Are you like social commentary stuff?
	Like, or is it sometimes it's social commentary, but it's, it's mostly domestic politics.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	So, um, you know, it's like it's, you know, recently, like I started out.
	I was saying before when Jeremy from the quartering was on that I do, I did a bunch of videos about AOC, about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
	And it just, my channel, like people, I guess, people were looking for content about her.
	And she is the hottest Congress person.
	Well, I was, well, this is before she was even elected.
	And I was very early on the AOC bashing train.
	And so people were looking for content just to kind of reinforce their ideas that she's a moron.
	And, you know, and then my channel just kind of blew up.
	So that's, you know, but now it's, I might as well just call it this is Joe Biden channel because it's he, he just, everything him and his administration do, it just dominates the news cycle.
	Yeah.
	You know, everybody gets very, you know, like AOC will do something and you're just like, yeah, you know, not very important because she's not very important ultimately.
	She does not, she has a, she's not very effective in Congress.
	You know, she put out a video saying, oh, I, you know, I, we, we did all these things.
	Like she added like little like amendments to bills.
	You know, she's, she's never had any of her legislation pass the house.
	Has she sponsored stuff?
	She, I mean, well, she's co-sponsored stuff.
	She sponsored stuff, but it doesn't, it never gets out of committee because people are just like, well, she like a lot of what happens with the house is if you fundraise for the Democrat Party and you make them a lot of money, you will get better committees.
	You'll, you'll get, you know, people will pay attention to your bills.
	They'll do all these things.
	She doesn't raise money for the Democrats, at least for this thing called the, the Driple C, which is basically the fundraising arm of the House Democrats.
	And she does not raise any money for them.
	Why doesn't she?
	Or does she?
	Well, she's supposed to.
	And see, the guy at the end of the day, I don't mean to interrupt.
	Sorry.
	It's just that I've been very loud.
	And my seven months pregnant wife is fucking furious.
	Because she's supposed to be out of bed.
	No, it's fine.
	She's a hobbit-sized woman giving birth to a regular size baby.
	So she's fucking giant.
	And it took her like half an hour to get down the fucking stairs.
	It's funny as fuck.
	Wait, she's pregnant now?
	Yeah, she's like.
	Oh, I didn't know she was pregnant again.
	Congratulations.
	Oh, thanks very much, man.
	Cheers.
	This is breaking news.
	No, it's not.
	This has been out there for ages.
	I mean, she's had a very easy time of hiding it.
	She looks like she fucking ate a walrus, man.
	So you're digging it deeper.
	I don't know.
	Fuck it.
	It's fine.
	I bully her all the time.
	What's she going to do?
	She bitch can't even move.
	I'll escape, son.
	But I'm going to go so that I can let her get back to sleep, right?
	But she doesn't have me, guys.
	Isn't it midnight in like a minute and a half over there?
	Oh, yeah.
	It's midnight in like two minutes.
	Actually, there you go.
	Smashing.
	All right.
	Happy New Year.
	It was nice.
	Nice being on the live stream with you.
	It's fun.
	You too, guys.
	Thanks very much.
	See you later, boys.
	So with AOC and with members of Congress, so she beat this guy who was the fourth most powerful Democrat in Congress.
	And she beat him because he like all the Democrats underestimated him.
	And he had been in Congress for 10 terms, but he was the fourth most powerful member of Congress because he was the fourth biggest fundraiser.
	And that's basically how it works.
	If you raise a lot of money, you'll, you know, you'll get attention from leadership.
	Is the district well?
	Is the district really wealthy?
	I thought it was a, it's actually, it's actually, you know, it changes like every 10 years anyway.
	Sure.
	But she's in a very poor area, essentially.
	You know, she has part of the Bronxes, part of Queens, like she has Jackson Heights, and that's, you know, most of the money that comes for fundraising.
	It's not from her district.
	It's from it.
	I don't have an exact figure.
	I did the math a while ago, but it's well, it's probably like 95% of her funding is from outside sources from outside of her district, which is just amazing.
	Hey, Carl, we're talking about AOC here.
	Yeah.
	Dank woke Sue up and she's pissed.
	So he had to split and tame the piece.
	Fair enough.
	Happy New Year.
	Is it happy new year?
	Yeah, happy new year, everyone.
	Yeah, happy new year.
	Wow.
	Well, you know, not hearing everyone over there on that side of the pond.
	You might be able to hear fireworks going off, which I'm sure is waking up my two-year-old as we speak.
	But I've decided that's my wife problem.
	My wife's problem.
	I'm going to turn my phone off.
	Do you have a separate room?
	Like, is your studio separate building?
	Yeah, yeah, I convert my garage.
	Yeah.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	So I've got a nice piece of space that my wife isn't allowed into.
	It's the only part of my entire house I have any control over.
	So I got it.
	Very nice.
	Literally like the fucking bowel rog, to be honest.
	Well, you got two kids now and you got a wife.
	So I think that's the way that it goes, right?
	I've got a stepdaughter, two kids.
	Okay.
	Yeah, there you go.
	So you're not in control.
	You get the office.
	It's literally the only space I have any control over.
	So no one's allowed in it at all.
	And very soundproof since we can hear all the fireworks.
	Can you hear them?
	Yeah, we can hear them.
	Yeah, yeah, there's loads literally going up just outside above my house.
	Sorry.
	Actually, it sounds kind of like it sounds, you know, when I was before I moved to Florida, when I was in New York, there, well, when after COVID hit and, you know, like, you know, after the lockdowns happened, you know, like every day at 7 p.m., the people came out with the pots and were like banging on the pots, you know, to give support for the first responders.
	But then the second that George Floyd happened, it stopped.
	And then there were just fireworks every night for months.
	Like it was ridiculous.
	I couldn't, you know, the cops didn't do anything, of course, what are they going to do?
	Are more people of diversity?
	You know, come on, everybody, everybody knows at night it's a mix of crappy liberals.
	They're out there.
	The crappy liberals are the ones that are like doing the actual crimes when it comes to the riots and stuff like that.
	Yeah.
	You see, there's a video going around.
	I think it was by Steve Inman where a bunch of people went into a Sephora and just stole like a ton of makeup.
	And then they tried to get away in a car.
	And there were actually like dash cams from the cops chasing after them.
	And I'm just like, wow, this is a novelty.
	You never see the cops actually chase down and catch these people.
	You never see that.
	It's always, you know, a bunch of people jump into a store, fill up a bunch of bags, run out without any consequences.
	And, and I saw that firsthand when I, the last time I was in San Francisco a couple years ago, because these people, they just go into stores, grab everything they can, and then they go to Union Square and they sell everything.
	There's people actually there that just hang out all day and just buy all this stuff for like pennies on the dollar.
	And it's instead of, you know, arresting these people, arresting the traffickers, essentially, you know, they just keep letting it happen over and over and over again.
	And I'm sure it's the same thing in Seattle and the same thing in San Diego and LA.
	And it's because the Democrats are just totally permissive about crime.
	It's just, I just can't get over it.
	I can't understand how a party's, an entire party's platform is we're actually pro-crime.
	Like, I mean, look at Portland, man.
	I went to Portland in 2017 to visit Peter Bogozian.
	Lovely city.
	Didn't see a single homeless person.
	It was beautiful.
	You know, really beautiful city.
	Exactly.
	You know, five years is all it took.
	And you see the horror stories of it coming out now.
	It's like, oh, shit, man.
	The DAs that if you don't have a district attorney that is going to actually prosecute crime, the cops are just like, well, what am I doing here then?
	Yeah.
	Well, why am I going to go out there and mix it up with this dude?
	Right.
	Maybe get stabbed or get a cut or whatever.
	Right.
	And then risk injuring the guy or the person they're mixing it up with and deal with that and the paperwork to know that that person is just going to be let out, not just on bail, but like the DA isn't even going to prosecute.
	So what's the point?
	And on a lot of these, they're getting better funding, you know, than their Republican opponents.
	And then in the United States.
	Because that is the fact, isn't it?
	A lot of them are paid off by Soros.
	Yes.
	I don't think that it's just Soros, but I think that it's smart.
	Yeah, right.
	It's a lot of organizations that, you know, I mean, look at how much money was raised in the name of Black Lives Matter that never went to any actual official organization and then or went to Act Blue.
	Like when Black Lives Matter was collecting a lot of money, a significant portion of that went to Act Blue, which went to Democrats, which went to DAs that were not prosecuting people.
	And that was intentional.
	Like they were like, give us money so we can give it to, you know, so we can get DAs elected that will not prosecute people because it's wrong to prosecute people is the argument they made.
	But they left out the fact that you will end up with more crime, period.
	And I'm just waiting for the other, you know, like the other shoe to drop because, you know, look at New York in the, you know, in the 80s where it was just like a massive heap.
	And then people just kind of got sick of it and they voted for a Republican mayor and a Republican, like the actual, you know, people that came in and whipped up, you know, the Julian livable.
	Rudy Giuliani knew what drives punished criminals.
	That's all you have to do.
	Yeah.
	But he did like little things.
	It's like, well, look, you know, if you, if you have people defecating in the streets and, you know, shoplifting, that just leads to bigger crimes.
	Like so, so, you know, you, you actually prosecute those crimes, but, you know, now it's like, oh, you know, you can't, you can't arrest a shoplifter.
	They're just, they're just trying to get bread to feed their children.
	You know, what was the amount that they set it to in California?
	It was like $950 or something, right?
	Yeah.
	And it's like, sorry, what, what loaf of bread?
	Like, what the fuck are you trying to do?
	The cutoff is just way too high.
	Nearly a grand.
	Like, are you serious?
	These people are shoplifting TVs and then it's all a prosecutable crime.
	Yeah, that's funny.
	Sorry.
	Okay.
	I mean, like, I've, I've never seen, like, shops before where everything is in locked cases until modern California, like modern California, where literally everything, apart from the suntan lotion for some reason, is in the lot is in the lock cases.
	I don't know what that, what the reason for that would be.
	Wow, a lot of sun in California.
	Yeah, yeah, you know, you think people would be stealing suntan lotion, but for some reason they're not.
	It's just, it's just, what in the fucking third world is this?
	You know, what are you doing?
	Honestly, no idea what they're doing.
	But you're right.
	It's just fucking ridiculous now.
	Like, like, how do you reason it out to yourselves?
	You're in the, you're in the, you're in the California cult, right?
	And you're, you're, you're in, like, you know, San Francisco and you're like, oh, God, we're such progressives.
	And you go into a shop and everything's behind a fucking bar.
	You're like, excuse me, can I get just one of these, please?
	And they're like, yeah, let me get the keys.
	Flip open the fucking.
	Oh, yeah, here we go.
	Here's the right one.
	And then, you know, like, am I living in a prison?
	Like, is this, have we genuinely turned San Francisco into a fucking prison?
	And that's what I've been asking.
	You want to stop this crime from happening, which is why you put it behind the thing.
	But then groups will come out and saying, you're racist for locking that.
	Because you assume, you assume that you were going to steal.
	It's like, well, it's all types of races.
	Andrew, you're right.
	But not only that, they do that.
	And then when, then on top of that, there are still people that go into these places, find the person with the big ring of keys, punch them in the nose, take the ring of keys and do all the same shit they were going to do.
	If I worked in retail.
	Like, I'm not fighting over those keys, dude.
	Take them.
	Yeah.
	If I worked in retail now and like in a, in a big city like that, I would be, I'd be on edge all the time, you know, especially if I like worked in an H ⁇ M or like somewhere that, you know, I never worked in re, like in my past life, I've worked in retail before, you know, but but I've never seen gangs of people smashing and grabbing.
	I used to work, I used to work in a virgin megastore and they actually had security that would track down shoplifters.
	It was amazing.
	Oh, wow.
	Can you even imagine prosecuting people?
	And this is my, this is the best part, right?
	So if somebody would get caught, they, they would, you know, security would bring them down in their room, I guess, interrogate them, do whatever.
	They'd have it on, they'd have it all on camera.
	And then the cops would come in.
	And when the cops would like, there was always like the perp walk of the, of the shoplifter, and the DJ would play the theme from cops.
	So everybody knew and it was a running thing.
	And everybody, and it happened every single time.
	They would just stop playing whatever, like Oasis or whatever they're playing.
	And then you'd hear, you'd hear the bad boys, bad boys.
	And everybody, the whole store knew.
	The whole store knew what was going on.
	And then sometimes you'd have people, you know, like clapping, you know, like good, good job police officers.
	But you don't see that anymore.
	You know, it's like you, you barely, all the Home Depot ones where they're stealing like Makitas or Milwaukee drills or whatever.
	You, you actually need like customers to help stop.
	Yeah.
	Because they just say, well, just let them go.
	You know, you don't want to get hurt.
	And the cuss, and you have customers there who are actually buying these things and they get upset.
	And it's the same thing.
	I did a video and I'm sorry, Razor.
	Why shouldn't I walk out behind them with the shit in my cart, right?
	You want to prosecute up to $950.
	I mean, you know.
	Yeah.
	But I did a video a couple of years ago where I secretly taped people Going through the subway, like jumping the turnstile, and you had a lot of people like, Well, who cares?
	You know, the subway's in terrible shape.
	It's like, yeah, because they're they don't have the money to fix everything because of all these people, and it was it was dozens and dozens of people.
	It was, it was like in the it was, it was a lot of people jumping the turnstile.
	And it's even worse with the buses because everybody, like in all these poorer neighborhoods, they don't go through the front of the bus, they go through the exit door in the back and they all jump in.
	And it's, and people are like, Well, the MTA is broke.
	It's like, Yeah, no kidding for us.
	It's so funny.
	Razor Fist, how you doing, man?
	Hey, uh, thanks for having me on.
	I can't, I can't stay long.
	I was just about to stream on my own channel, but thank you for having me on, heralding in the new year.
	How's it dude?
	Happy New Year!
	Mass civil disturbances and omnipresent looting.
	I always try to ring in the new year with a nice happy subject like that.
	I actually caught a guy shoplifting today, actually.
	I was at a QT earlier today, and a guy just walks in, could not have been acting more suspiciously.
	Like, he literally was like a Looney Tunes villain, like with the shifty eyes the whole time where he's walking in.
	He walks out with something pink.
	I don't know, some box of, I assume, alcohol or something.
	He went down in the alcohol corner and walks out.
	He had one of those, you know, big hoodies with the fucking, the mono pocket in the front, right?
	Yeah.
	And he, um, you could clearly see like either he was, you know, he was a trans girl who was pregnant or he was walking out with alcohol underneath his.
	And I pointed out to the cashier, but it's this little Asian girl.
	Like, what's she going to do?
	Like, she's going to put him across the counter and Jackie Chan his ass.
	Like, it's not going to happen.
	So, I was thinking about that when you were saying, Andrew, like, I, if I worked in retail, I'd actually be like serene about this.
	Like, I'd have, I'd be like, I don't care.
	Not my problem.
	This is, this is the normal now.
	It's not my problem.
	I just stack the shelves, you know, just do whatever you like.
	Not my problem.
	Yeah, they don't pay me enough, you know.
	But, yeah, but, but when uh, Phil said, you know, like the guy will come over and attack you for uh, you know, like to take your keys to unlock the shelf, uh, you know, that I would definitely be worrisome of that.
	But, you know, like, but you're right.
	Like, you can't, you can't just stop everybody.
	I, I think these people in Home Depot are probably, you're just like, yeah, it happens every day.
	I'm kind of over it.
	Like, they won't do anything.
	So, whatever.
	It's, you know, enjoy your new drill stir, you know.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, totally.
	Uh, Nick Rikita, nice to join us, man.
	Hey, what's up, guys?
	Hello, and welcome back to Twitter.
	Oh, thank you.
	Yes.
	Yeah, isn't it?
	Isn't it crazy?
	Like, you know, Lord Musk has resurrected us from back from the nether regions of the internet.
	So you can start coming back a positive or a negative.
	Do you feel like it's a good thing?
	Are you like, I kind of reluctantly came back?
	Um, I think it's positive, but my perspective on how to use Twitter has completely changed.
	Uh, in its absence, I just don't give a shit about it anymore.
	I wanted it back because it was mine.
	Um, but now, like, I, I just, I spend so much less time on it, which I think is healthy because all day I'd sit there probably, you know, scrolling arguing with people.
	Fuck's it.
	That was always my crutch, man.
	Just getting to blazing arguments with fuckers all over the place.
	Man, you're not using Twitter for its intended purpose.
	Workshopping dick jokes.
	Nick, Nick, before we came up, Razor just popped in.
	So I was going to ask Razor, how was your 2022, man?
	It was great.
	My brew 2022 was great.
	Um, you know, personally and whatever, just a lot of great stuff.
	I've been spending like the last, well, gosh, I just launched my second book, which is doing very well already.
	And really excited about all the, there's going to be like spin-offs and stuff, just other projects I can't really talk about yet.
	And it's been massively successful for me in 2022.
	But I'm, but I'm looking forward to 2023.
	I mean, I can't, I don't know about you, but my favorite thing in the world on New Year's Day, I mean, at midnight on the dot, is I immediately go to Google, to the Google Doodle, so that I can see what pangendered feminist slam poet was released from prison on this day in 1963 or whatever.
	Well, communist terrorist.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	Well, I'm glad you, I'm glad it was good.
	Have you got any hot take predictions for 2023?
	Hot take for 2023, not so much because it's not a big, I mean, every year is a big political year, but there's, it's not an election year.
	It's not a midterm year.
	I do predict that there's a lot of so that the general election, I actually just talked about this in a video, but in the general election, they spent an inordinate amount of money to get Biden into office.
	And then they spent an inordinate amount of money in the midterms in basically a giant laundering scheme involving Sam Bankman Freed and FTX and everything.
	And it's like, guys, eventually the bill's going to come due.
	And I think you're already seeing that to a degree with a lot of these.
	I mean, you can see what's happening to FTX.
	They are clearly taking the fall for all this at this point.
	I predict a lot of financial upheaval personally on a lot of levels, not just in crypto.
	I think crypto is kind of the chirping canary in the coal mine right now, a little bit.
	I hate to make a doom and gloom prediction like that, but I think a lot of us could see the bill was going to come due eventually, for Christ's sake.
	I thought I saw something a while ago that said the Democrats were basically bankrupt as well.
	Yeah, I mean, morally.
	And financially.
	Jesus Christ.
	Also, financially, where it really matters.
	No, I mean, Jesus, I just talked in a video about in 2016.
	I totally forgot about this.
	I remembered they spent an inordinate amount of money to try and get Hillary in there, but it was like something like $1.6 billion on the campaign.
	Like, Jesus Christ.
	For a midterm, right?
	No, that was for Hillary.
	That was just 30.
	And they lost, that was all money down the tubes.
	They've been burning through money the last several election cycles, which you have to understand.
	Anyone know if the Clinton Foundation has closed up or is that still in existence?
	I think it's still in existence, but it's like on a very lesser scale.
	Yeah, definitely scaled down.
	But the DNC was broke and Obama was basically supposed to refill those coffers and never did.
	And Hillary basically said, let me do my thing and I'll raise like a boatload of money.
	And that's why they let her, that's why they gave her special favor, right?
	Because they said, well, we'll only have six debates, which is the reason why Tulsi Gabbard was kind of pushed out of the party, you know, out of out of potential leadership, because she was like, wait a minute, you had like 20 debates back in 2012 and or sorry, 2008 with Obama and all these people.
	And now we're only going to have six and it's basically between Bernie and Hillary.
	And they let her run everything.
	And then when Bernie Sanders found out about it with the Podesta email leak, he was just like, yeah, I mean, you know, I knew it's the same thing with Twitter.
	He was basically like, well, I had my suspicions.
	And What can I do about it now?
	Right.
	You know, the DNC is corrupt.
	I'm shocked.
	Right.
	I frankly have no idea what any of you are talking about.
	The DNC is the greatest organization on the planet.
	And I hope they get all of my donation checks and don't kill me.
	Well, if it helps, Nick, they're not going to take your Twitter account away now.
	So you don't have to say that anymore.
	What do you guys think?
	Although they might demonstrate your YouTube channel.
	Nick, say hi to Mark Elias for me.
	Yeah.
	Well, that guy.
	He's the best lawyer on the planet.
	Amazing.
	I'm sure he's never been to Epstein Island either.
	No, never.
	Never.
	I'm sure he's never eaten at that buffet.
	Judging by his size, I think he's eaten in quite a few.
	No, I just, what do you guys think about Elon's Twitter poll about like him stepping down and then saying he would abide by the poll?
	Was that like just some sort of long con?
	Like, I'll step down in 2029 or something weird.
	Somebody pointed out that he's not the CEO of any of his companies.
	And he doesn't want to be a CEO.
	So it was kind of like, I think it was kind of like a psyop.
	He's just like, yeah, I'm going to, I like, if you, if you vote me down, I won't do, you know, I won't be the CEO.
	And everybody's like, and he's like, oh, well, okay, I'll abide by your results.
	See, he's pretty clear in the beginning that he didn't want to be the CEO.
	He'd said, I've seen him talk about it multiple times.
	He's like, I don't want to be the CEO.
	I don't know.
	I don't have any inside information, but he seems like the kind of dude that's like kind of a nerd and wants to be like building things, you know?
	Yeah, he wants to be in the engineering side.
	He doesn't want to be like behind a desk and stamping, you know, rubber stamping everything.
	Actually, that poll reminds me.
	I'm sorry, give me a second.
	That poll reminds me of when PewDiePie, a couple of years ago, he was like, if this video gets this many likes, I'll delete my channel.
	And he basically deleted his personal channel.
	Yeah.
	I think he's got a kind of taste for being in the position he's in, right?
	Because he's not just the CEO of Twitter.
	He's also like the CEO of the public discourse.
	He is Donald Trump's.
	He is sitting in that Donald Trump position where Donald Trump decides to talk about, that's what we're talking about.
	He wanted to, look, he never intended to be the CEO.
	I never thought he did, anyways, because he's got too many plates spinning, anyways.
	So I think he already kind of planned to do that.
	I know he had said in the past, he's been looking for CEOs.
	And what were his exact words?
	Something to the effect of, I can't find anyone who actually wants to make Twitter thrive, I think is what he said.
	Something like that.
	So some ideas.
	And most people aren't into that.
	They think that he's the CEO or whatever.
	And he's like, oh, we got you.
	We got you, Elon.
	You moron.
	You're like, we, we are, you know, determining your fate when it has nothing to do with that.
	Yeah.
	Look, all of his polls have been to drive up engagement.
	That's all that's been.
	Every single cops.
	I'm going to contradict that because I actually think that there's it's hard to imagine what it's like being Elon Musk's position where you've got 123 million people following you and like the level of engagement that must create is just crazy, right?
	You can't even imagine me.
	No, I can't.
	It actually, I think it drives you mental, right?
	And so the fact that he hasn't gone mental is probably says a lot about his character.
	But I think that with that poll with the CEO, he was kind of swept up in the, I keep winning these polls.
	The public is always behind me on these things, right?
	And there's a part of me that thinks maybe he got kind of swept up in it being like, yeah, I can essentially poll anything and get the result I want.
	But I don't know.
	You know, I'm speculating.
	Although I truly believe, and I've, you know, putting on my tinfoil hat for a minute, I think all of his polls have also been an attempt to catch some bots.
	Right.
	Because every single time, every single time he holds one of these polls, right after he announces that they caught a bunch of bot accounts.
	I mean, right after within days.
	That's because there's always like an F curve on them, right?
	Right.
	There's been these, there's it's been this kind of rigmarole that's F curves aren't proof of anything, Carl.
	Oh, I'm well aware organically all the time.
	For YouTube's uh terms of service, I'm not suggesting that an F curve is indicative of anything.
	It's a uh, it's it's a joke, it's a joke, everybody.
	It's uh not a conspiracy theory.
	What's that Democrats' favorite song?
	It's that Matchbox 20 song, right?
	Like, baby, it's 3 a.m.
	Here come the F curves.
	I just we can't talk about it, but fuck me.
	There's a reason we can't talk about it, right?
	Like, if so, this subject is verbosum.
	What this political subject of an election, yeah, that's verboten.
	Okay, fair enough.
	That's all I need to know.
	I can't discuss it.
	I get it.
	You know, in my last couple of videos, uh, I've I've actually like I'll just mention the election, I'll just mention 2020, and then I'll get like the big Wikipedia context box.
	Yep.
	Well, the 2020 election was like, I wasn't, I wasn't contesting it.
	I was, I believe it was the safest and most secure election ever.
	Oh, dude, I nearly lost my channel over it.
	They uh, they locked me out of my account for a while.
	Um, and they locked me over out of my account.
	Get this because of a video I made before the 2020 election warning about possible problems that wound up happening about mail-in ballots.
	It's called Mail and Ballots or BS.
	I wound up having to put it on BitChute or whatever, but that came out like four months before the election.
	And I was like, here's how F curve safest elections ever happened.
	Everyone, here's how they're going to happen in four months.
	81 million votes.
	Most popular president ever.
	Yeah.
	But this is what you get for being Mostridamas razor.
	But you, you, Razefist, you've got a fucking solid track record of predictions, though, don't you?
	No, sometimes.
	Sometimes.
	I remember I predicted the P.
	No, I predicted the PS4 would fail.
	So not on everything.
	I meant politically, not in pop culture, but okay, fair.
	I could be wrong.
	Your lane, Razor.
	Yeah, Razor.
	Who else do you talk about?
	Here's the thing, though.
	I don't usually try and read tea leaves.
	I tend to try and use existing sort of indicia and sort of extrapolate off of those.
	You know, just I'm projecting, really, is what it not the other kind of media projecting.
	But, you know, I'm sort of projecting out from the available facts.
	So it's not like Nostradamus bullshit, but yeah, usually, I mean, I did predict Trump would win, and I did predict 2020 a little bit.
	But I also, in fairness, I had a front row seat here in Arizona watching sort of the dry run for it in the 2018 midterms where they had some F curves of their own.
	We can't talk about Marikota County either.
	No, we can't.
	Is it like that?
	Those are, you can't literally, you can't discuss that kind of stuff.
	Yeah, I talk about the other one, but this new one.
	The terms of service literally, literally forbid it.
	Yep.
	Which is wild, actually, when you say that.
	We're just talking about Elon.
	Fucking wild, dude.
	We're going to tell you you can't say it's false.
	Yeah.
	And we were just talking about Elon.
	He threatened to buy this little platform.
	I know.
	I'm like, I've never prayed for anything before.
	Which direction is Mecca?
	For Christ's sake, I will call it my friend right now.
	Whichever God does it, I'll worship you for like that scene and the mummy where the guy's just going through the different rings.
	You guys, do you guys ever watch it?
	The YouTuber It's a Gundam.
	Oh, I love Gundam.
	I should send him a link.
	Like, I was just watching, like, every time he makes the joke, he's like, you know, I would talk, I would say this, but Mama Susan is going to rip me, like, basically take my channel away if I talk about, you know, ain't the kids, you know.
	Matt Christensen talks about that a lot too, about the, what's it, Wiki, the Susan Would you Wiki?
	Yeah, dude, everyone talks in code now.
	It's fucking maddening.
	It's like it's like living in the Soviet Union.
	It is the wildest fucking thing I've ever seen.
	It's so crazy to think that, man.
	What's crazy about it is that YouTube used to be where everyone was like, oh, fuck this.
	I'm going to say anyway.
	Right.
	And there are all these little simpering soy pods who honestly comply with this nonsense.
	You're just like, what are you doing?
	Remember the wild, wild west of like 2017?
	Before the adpocalypse, before the Wall Street Journal, like did their hip piece on PewDiePie and changed everything.
	But I just remember watching people like Andy Worski and Sargon and like all these people just like saying just like whatever they wanted to say without any kind of limits.
	And that inspired me, you know, even though I've never been that edgy on YouTube on Twitter.
	I'm like, I'm Mr. You know, I'm pretty, I'm pretty edgy on Twitter.
	You know, I'm not talking about not doing things to certain people, Carl, but that was 2016.
	It was seven years ago.
	For Christ's sake.
	I still think that was a valid statement.
	I wouldn't either.
	I wouldn't either.
	And now Peter Hitchens will never forgive me.
	I think we all agree that we would never do that to especially not.
	Why wouldn't you?
	That was one of my favorite fucking things on the planet.
	Honestly, I was just like, wait, do you want him to say that?
	I'm not sure where to go from this statement.
	Oh, God.
	But you are like going back to the Wild West thing, man.
	YouTube used to be so fucking great.
	And we used to just be able to talk.
	It was so nice.
	Yeah.
	And then I think it was around the time they tried to hang that hard left down Netflix Boulevard.
	They tried to do that.
	They tried to become Netflix with the YouTube Red thing.
	That went well.
	That went amazing.
	Oh, God.
	Remember when they were putting out all this original content?
	You know, like the Gigi Gorges documentary, you know, which is, you know, it there's one point in the video where Gigi Gorgeous is getting like some kind of surgery and she's like half out of it.
	And her father is there, him, her, whatever.
	Her father is there like being supportive and he misgenders her because it's his son, right?
	And in all reality, that's his son.
	And he and he called him or whatever.
	And Gigi Gorgeous got mad.
	And you're just like, the dad's being supportive and you're being a jerk.
	And at the same time, this person came out as gay, then queer, then trans, then non-binary, then pansexual, and then a lesbian.
	And is married to a woman who's now becoming a trans man.
	So when everybody goes, oh, well, children, they just know.
	They just know their sexuality.
	Well, the thing is, they're just really personalizing that revolution.
	Who knew like that?
	No, I don't remember that.
	Who knew like 2022 would have more role-playing elements than Skyrim?
	They actually have character classes now.
	And it's all social media.
	It's just people are unhappy with their lives and they see other people going, you know, like, oh, I found myself.
	I found like I found my true thing.
	And it's like, oh, I'm that too.
	It's like a contagion.
	It's not real.
	It's not, it's not, it's, it's very frustrating because without just imagine if social media existed like during the Vietnam War or during the civil rights movement or during all these big things.
	Could you imagine the N-word towers in chat during the civil rights movement?
	Holy shit.
	It should just be like 10,000 ends.
	Listen, listen, listen.
	For Susan Wojki's sake, you're going to lose your channel just for thinking that.
	Yeah.
	Jesus.
	Nick, what are you doing?
	Look what you've done!
	There's a confederate flag emojis in the chat.
	Why are all these crosses in the chat?
	There's ghost emojis everywhere!
	Hey, look, the cross emoji burns.
	Look at that.
	Total disavowal on my part.
	Moving on.
	Absolutely.
	Why did I invite Nick?
	Jesus.
	Because he's one of the funniest guys on YouTube right now.
	That's quite a niche reference these days.
	Nick and look, you've gained a lot of traction with the whole Rittenhouse thing.
	You're back on Twitter, but you were not bulletproof.
	I know.
	My entire channel was deleted for three days.
	Yeah.
	What was it you did to get your channel deleted again?
	Oh, I talked about a trans person.
	Oh, yeah.
	I even had qualifying statements about how I don't care what people do as long as they're 18.
	Just don't give like bad meds to kids without doctors and parents.
	Like, don't do, don't do stuff to kids was my entire criticism of one particular person.
	I can see why they shut your channel down, Nick.
	Wow.
	You're a lunatic.
	I had interacted with that person on the internet long before she became like famous.
	Anyone remember when Lauren Chen pointed out that she became the communist Panini?
	No.
	Okay, no, we're talking about.
	So Lauren Chen's in the chat, by the way.
	What up, Lauren?
	Oh, hi, Lauren.
	I sent her a message.
	Lauren, if you want, come on, dude.
	You won't welcome him.
	Back in the day.
	Yeah.
	What's wrong with you?
	Did you just assume her son?
	Mrs. Chen, if you grace us with your presence.
	Back in the day, she was like, so Keffels was, you know, Claire Siranti, she had a Twitter account.
	And somehow I stumbled across her and talked to her.
	And we were cordial.
	And I saw, so I followed her and I followed Lauren.
	And I saw that Keffels had changed her, like her name and the picture to a panini and she called herself the communist panini.
	And then like, you know, she had had some stuff going on in her life.
	So she was on Twitter and off Twitter and blah, blah, blah.
	And she had talked to Lauren about getting on Lauren's channel.
	And then she changed to the communist panini and like got a little weird and didn't get on Lauren's channel or whatever.
	And then later on down the road, Lauren's like, look, I tried, like, they were.
	like when Keffels was Keffels, I think she went after Lauren and she's like, and Lauren's like, look, I tried to talk to you, you know, and invite you on the channel and you like turned into a panini and stopped replying.
	And then people were trying to dunk on Lauren as if it didn't happen.
	I'm like, damn it, I saw that shit happen, man.
	You did, you crazy ass crazy person.
	I couldn't believe it.
	I was like, you turn yourself into a panini and then trying to like dunk on Lauren, like being like, oh, she's crazy, because Lauren pointed out that you were acting like a.
	My biggest issue is just God, like 70s football fields didn't have as much astroturf as that brought.
	Like so crazy on the.
	I've always wanted Duratio clicks button like Jesus Christ, robo Cop is not that dependent on machinery.
	That and and Reddit could, and you know a lot of people would go ahead and just bomb a tweet from reddit.
	Well, I can't believe.
	Reddit's still a thing, to be honest.
	Like who uses reddit?
	When's the last time you met somebody who uses reddit for crazy?
	Yeah no no, unironically.
	Like who still uses reddit?
	Discord right, I mean?
	Yeah, it's, it's like a vestigial social network, kind of like facebooky, like it's.
	It's got that kind of like nobody under a certain age uses it, kind of a thing going on just like I never figured out.
	I hate it.
	Yeah, hang on.
	Is Keffels the one that said that they were creating like trans medication in that bathtub or something and sending it?
	They right, they financially supported a website of a friend of theirs who was doing that it had do-it-yourself.
	Uh HRT, they also do it yourself.
	Hrt Jesus, those words they also were.
	They also would provide, specifically through Discord.
	They would provide miners um information on how to acquire hrt from third world country manufacturers directly.
	Oh my god, and these are the people who are mocking Trump over the horse paste.
	For christ's sake, these people are mailing, mailing out, pinking shears, for christ's sake.
	And so yeah my, my sin, speaking of the astro turf and everything was was literally calling that out.
	Uh, it was some colorful language.
	There was colorful language involved.
	I may have been drinking, I don't know, I don't remember but um, but I did that.
	And then yeah, it was uh, my youtube channel got a strike, my twitter got deleted, my youtube channel got another strike and completely deleted, and my Twitch channel got a week-long suspension.
	I've never had any discipline issues on Twitch ever, and what I got uh disciplined for On Twitch was off-platform.
	Yeah, and it's, I think, with the benefit of the Twitter FBI leaks and everything, it's pretty obvious, like, all that stuff happening at the same time.
	It's not coincidence.
	Somebody sends a message.
	It was coordinated.
	That's crazy.
	Yeah.
	It was so coordinated that someone who internal at Google sent me a memo and there was a memo to YouTube that said, We're getting massive amounts of traffic on Twitter from high-profile or high-interaction accounts saying that this channel, that deletion, was the product of a mass flagging campaign.
	And so they were reviewing that internally, which lined up with me and my channel rep were trying, like my channel rep was like, what the hell is happening?
	And so we had started creating a document and putting down in this document everything that happened and how it was coordinated.
	And I just started grabbing tweets from Keffels talking about the coordination and Alejandro Caballero, who was also in on it at Esqueer on Twitter.
	And I was just putting their tweets in.
	And one of my favorite ones was Keffels tweeting out right after my channel was deleted that they had no problem lying about their enemies because their enemies are ontologically wrong.
	So there was no moral issue with doing the wrong thing to get them punished.
	So I put all that shit in a Google document.
	My rep took it.
	And because my channel was deleted, it had actually got escalated way up the chain.
	But yeah, there was a Google confidential document that I can't even share anything, but because I don't want to compromise the person who sent it to me.
	But yeah, it was all fucking AstroTurf.
	It's crazy.
	But that's, I was trying to explain to someone, they're like, but you said this and then you got in trouble for it.
	I'm like, no, you got to understand this person, their entire content is getting people to click a button on Twitter.
	Like that's, that's what they do.
	If you go to their, like, their video platforms, they have very little interaction.
	They have relatively small channels, like 30,000 on YouTube, and I think 70,000 on Twitch or something like that, and do not run big streams or anything.
	But yet, the content is that Twitter let's ratio.
	And half of that is probably driven algorithmically, frankly.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's completely, completely astro.
	I've never seen a more astro turfed figure.
	Like maybe that phony model chick from Instagram a few years ago.
	You remember that shit where she was like, it's even worse.
	It's even worse if they're not bots or astro turf, right?
	It's even worse if it's genuinely a weird little cult of people who think that ratioing people on Twitter mean something.
	Yes, that is alarming.
	Well, it's alarming either way, I suppose, because the central figure still believes that on some level, which is insane.
	I mean, a deep and abiting insanity.
	You know, a couple of weeks ago, I, so I had, I had done, well, I guess about a month ago, I had done two videos about this Democrat shill on Twitter and TikTok.
	Her name's I Am Politics Girl, and she's like pushing 50.
	Yeah.
	And I made two videos about her.
	I made one video and then I got sick with COVID or the flu or whatever it was.
	And I just did like a quick follow-up to that.
	And she basically did a response to me and had like all of her, like Jeff Tiedrick and Brooklyn Debt client and all those people.
	And I was getting massively dogpiled on.
	And do you guys know Mimeology?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	He's great.
	He's, he's great.
	He's, he's what, definitely one, uh, one of my YouTube buddies.
	And he was, he was like, man, you know, you're they're, they're gonna like try and hit you and get your channel deleted because that's what they do.
	And he said, I'm gonna reach out to my YouTube guy, you know, like on Discord and, you know, and kind of give him a heads up.
	So I don't know whether like nothing happened, uh, but but for for like a good week and a half, I was just getting, you know, just tons and tons of BS on Twitter from her followers.
	And she, she, and she gets, she had everything wrong.
	And at one point, she, she, it was like this fake BS apology where she goes, oh, well, I, you know, it's not my job to be correct all the time.
	Like I'm supposed to say something and then you're supposed to do the research.
	It's like, no, that's not how it works.
	Like she was saying that that there was a Texas law that that if you had an unpregnancy, that you could go to jail and there was like a $10,000 bounty, which was, which was a lie.
	It's not even a thing.
	And I called her out on that.
	And, but I'm, but I'm.
	Don't attack that.
	Don't attack that institution.
	Hopefully.
	And then you have all these people who saw her video.
	I actually showed her saying these things in my video.
	She's just basically saying that I said these things.
	There's all, you know, and if she, just because I called Michael Flynn a hero, she's like, yeah, oh, this, this guy, he sells Let's Go Brandon shirts and he likes Michael Flynn and you shouldn't go to CPAC.
	It's like, what?
	Where did I break the, where did I lie about any of any of this stuff?
	So anyway, shout out to Mnemology because I thought for sure that, you know, he kind of scared me a little bit.
	And I was just like, yeah, like they could actually, you know, fake strike me or whatever.
	And then, and then I guess, I guess very soon after it's like your channel got hit.
	And I always feel that that's like the worst nightmare.
	You know, I watched, I watched Politics Girls response to you.
	And there was, I honestly, she was like, you're being really pedantic.
	And I, I was honestly this close to doing some kind of video response.
	I'm like, look, it sounds pedantic, but actually there are deep philosophical problems with the way that you just say democracy and the reason that Americans are constantly going, no, we're a republic.
	We're a republic.
	There is a difference and it's actually substantive.
	And obviously she doesn't understand any of that.
	No, she's trying to save democracy from her kitchen.
	You know, like she's like, she, she's a nobody, really.
	And she just like has a whole bunch of friends.
	She's not, I'm not snubbish about that.
	I'm a nobody, right?
	I was just, you know, saving democracy from my living room when I started.
	So I'm not, I'm not, I'm not snobbish about any of that stuff, but it's, it's the, it's the really sort of, it's, it's the unbelievably broad brush she's trying to paint with.
	It includes a bunch of things that aren't the American Republic, which is actually really bad because then you start trying to graft on foreign institutions and concepts into the American Republic, which has particular views on things.
	You know, this is why it's like, oh, anything's a human right now.
	It's like, no, nothing's a human right then.
	You know, it's like, right.
	And this is, this is, this is why the American Republicans, when they're like going, well, if it requires labor, it can't be a human right.
	I mean, that sounds cliche, but it is also correct.
	You know, it's like healthcare can't be a right.
	It can be an entitlement or it could be a civil right, but they always just use human and civil right to mean the same fucking thing.
	But the problem is, actually, the sort of substratum of what a human right is and what a civil right is are totally different and actually contradict one another.
	And so the entire scheme of thought gets completely fucking muddled.
	And it's people like her that are doing this and they don't even realize they're doing it.
	And they're going to lecture you like you're the one who's ignorant of all of this.
	And it's just like, for fuck's sake.
	And honestly, I just had to put it to the side.
	I was like, no, it's, you know, I'm busy.
	I'm doing other things.
	This is not the, you know, not my fight.
	Would happily jump to your defense, Andrew, obviously, but it was just like, I've got other things to do.
	This is just a stupid woman who doesn't understand what she's fucking talking about.
	I mean, I was so close to doing it, man.
	I sweat to God.
	I'm going to have to take off, guys, real quick.
	But thank you for having me on.
	I was going to go stream on my own channel real quick.
	So have a good time.
	Happy.
	Yeah.
	Thank you guys for having me on.
	And happy new year, ladies and gentlemen.
	Love you, buddy.
	Always a pleasure.
	Love your content razor.
	Keep things raising.
	So long.
	I don't know.
	Oh, hey.
	What's up?
	Wow, it's a whammy.
	Yeah, so she's sleeping, but I like I figured, okay, well, I could either put her down and definitely wake her up, or she could just be a silent guest, hopefully.
	That's fine.
	How are you doing, Lauren?
	I'm good.
	I'm happy I finally caught one of your streams live.
	I feel like I always just miss them.
	I do them very impromptu whenever I feel like it.
	Yeah, so we have all the cool people on who are just ringing in the new year, partying hard, right?
	Very, yeah, I think I'm the only one who's drinking.
	So you know, I've got to save myself for tonight.
	I still have so many hours to go.
	It is early.
	But I will share a celebratory toast with you.
	Has New Year's happened there yet, Carl?
	Yes, it has.
	Yeah.
	Oh, shoot.
	I missed that.
	Well, I'll drink one with you if that's cool.
	Sure.
	What are you drinking?
	My mom for Christmas got me some very expensive brandy.
	I don't normally drink, but this is very nice brandy, I have to say.
	Okay.
	Lauren, did I relate the experience you had with the communist panini fairly correctly or somewhat correctly?
	Oh, you're talking about what's the new thing, Keffels.
	Keffels.
	The most important troll farm on the internet.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, back when, so this was like years ago.
	I'm sorry, I wasn't, I was like trying to like get up here.
	So I missed your recounting, but essentially, Keffels used to be like a member of the Canadian Communist Party, or she was like running for it.
	And she was also like a sex worker at the same time.
	It was like imagine my shock.
	Very strange account.
	And so we agreed to do a debate, I think, on communism.
	Nothing to do with any transness.
	But when the day happened, and I was like going over to her page where we were supposed to like do a call, she had somewhat had like a mental breakdown and like converted her entire account to like be as if she were a panini.
	Very strange.
	So I just kind of like back away.
	It's like, all right, I don't want to get involved with this.
	And then like a week or so later, she'd reverted her account and she was like, you stood me up.
	But it's like, you had a mental breakdown and are a crazy person.
	Lauren, that was a touching brush.
	Cannot stand the bigotry that Lauren is saying right now.
	I do not see why you cannot understand this person identified as a sandwich.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	No, that was in like that was 2016.
	That was a long time ago.
	Was it that long ago?
	I can actually maybe check.
	I can see if I can get it's not that important.
	So yeah, it was like really, really weird.
	And then like now she's a super huge deal on the left.
	It's like, huh, look at that.
	Little panini's grown up.
	She'll be cast aside.
	I mean, like, she's the idiot class, quintessentially.
	And you kind of saw it happen.
	She was very useful for journalists in going after places like Kiwi Farms.
	That was the ultimate thing.
	It was a target that has been mixed levels of effectiveness, but ultimately it seems to have not been super effective in the long run because Kiwi Farms, yeah, Kiwi Farms is still there, still accessible by 99% of the internet.
	So I've noticed a significant drop-off in Keffel's interactivity after that.
	It's almost like when she wasn't able to accomplish the mission, they're like, Well, I guess we look for the next chosen child, uh, as they tend to do.
	So, um, well, and that's my theory anyway.
	But, uh, but yeah, that the machine was working in her favor for a long time.
	The internet is crazy how efficient the machine is as well.
	Like, they're all so primed to be like, right, okay, we've got like a sort of message down the pipe, right?
	So, and everyone just all the dominoes just flip, and then suddenly, boom, someone's channel's gone, or Kiwi Farms is gone.
	And it's like, it's so weird how primed the whole system is to de-platform.
	Yep, it happens fast, very effectively, and then ruthlessly.
	And then I just seem to notice that like they're the names don't stick around.
	I mean, unless you're an actual media, mass media legacy media figure, the names kind of just are interchangeable and disappear and pop up with new ones.
	But I think that's because they so value institutionalism that you know they'll use social media for a minute, but they'll always go back to CNN, to NBC, to whatever, because that's where that's where they know they win.
	And everywhere else, they have problems in the long run.
	Well, I feel like ContraPoints is another one of those like leftist bread tuber type figures that kind of got astro turfed by the mainstream media.
	And not that ContraPoints' content isn't good because I actually think it's pretty solid.
	But that's another time where there's this random YouTuber, and all of a sudden getting write-ups in mainstream publications, which someone like Carl been around for a long time, huge audience, they would never touch him with a 10-foot pole, especially not in a flattering light.
	But because it's on their team, they're all of a sudden propping up independent creators as if they give a damn about them.
	Well, there were loads when ContraPoints first started making a stir, there were loads of, I mean, like literal puff pieces and you know, in various news outlets that are like all basically saying, Look, subscribe to this person.
	So, I mean, literally astro turfed like that.
	But ContraPoints in their defense is actually someone who produces content that is not terrible.
	You know, I don't, I don't agree with the positions, but like at least there's an effort that's gone into the content.
	So, you know, unlike Keffels, I mean, what does Keffels produce?
	I think it's streaming stuff.
	I don't know.
	I'm too old for Twitch, but I think that's where it happens.
	Did you just watch Contra Points as unfortunately?
	Yeah, I don't understand it.
	I'm too old to make the effort.
	That's good and healthy.
	Twitch is the only thing I like about Twitch is because they're owned by Amazon and Amazon has Amazon Prime Video, they let you do watch parties, which is effectively like live mystery science theater.
	That's the most fun thing in the world because I get to watch a movie, my audience watches the movie, and I'm up in the corner like cracking jokes.
	I love it.
	I do know that.
	That is cool.
	But that's the like it's it's it looks like a completely underutilized feature on Twitch.
	Um, it's not a super popular thing, but I love it.
	Like, that's that's what I like to do.
	But the rest of it, yeah, I mean, look, I'm not opposed to sitting around with my breasts out in a hot tub, but I just don't get the traction.
	Ah, let's be fair.
	You don't get to play life on easy mode.
	That's what that is.
	I feel like life on easy mode lately, man.
	I have lamented that my life would probably be so much easier if I just went the gamer girl route and just did Twitch streaming with like video games.
	But I remember one time I was telling a friend, but I'm not, I don't actually play video games and I'm not particularly good at them.
	And she was like, that actually doesn't matter.
	You'd be surprised.
	It's totally erupted.
	You'd be shocked how that's got nothing to do with that.
	Yeah, low-cut top and one of those exercise balls for a chair.
	All day it works.
	I love Gundam's channel when it comes to like Twitch thoughts and stuff like that.
	Cause there's a sort of sense of like maudlin disappointment that underpins the comedy, that just gives it this buttery flavor to me.
	I love it, but you know it's also.
	But Gundam's delivery is just spot on, like there's so funny there's, there's.
	No, I don't think that anybody delivers and like has that delivery that Gundam has?
	Like I, I I mean it's, it's so fun to listen to, and even just like he'll, even if he, even if it's not like a joke, and he just says something in a certain way like i'll just die.
	It's, he's so good.
	Yeah, i've damned him.
	Hopefully he'll come on.
	Cheers Carl, i've got whistle pig boss hog number nine.
	I'm actually nearly run out of what i've got.
	I need to go small.
	So Lauren, how was your 2022 and do you have any hot takes for predictions for 2023?
	So 2020, this this has been a roller coaster like, aside from baby, we also we we left Canada under duress, which was an insane process, like Biden put a vax mandate for foreigners coming in january 21st.
	I got out january 19th, so that was super, super stressful.
	Uh, especially like they don't have they didn't have an exemption for being pregnant, so it was like, all right well, this needs to work um, but for 2023 i'm hoping that I just did a video reacting to, like the most groomy tick tocks, I hope, the pressure on the trans and like Drag Queen story.
	I hope that keeps up because we've actually had some kind of positive developments.
	A lot of l's this year, like the election was disappointing, but I mean in Florida you actually have like the parental rights and education bill.
	You have Desantis going to these drag queen story hours or Drag Queen all ages stuff and saying okay, if you guys do this, like we will suspend your liquor license.
	So consequences, like the Medical Board in Florida saying that you're not allowed to do these surgeries.
	So I, I want to see more stuff like this.
	And then I mean Tennessee, they're introducing laws to say yeah, you can't mutilate children just because they say they're trans.
	So dude, I hop to think we need to like double down on that.
	Overturning Roe V Wade Man.
	Yeah oh, my god, someone saw that coming.
	Someone sledgehammered the altar.
	It was amazing.
	They came up.
	I mean it was like, oh well, I never.
	I I think I was uh, six months before that when they were reviewing that case.
	I'm like yeah okay, they'll probably maybe make some compromise between Roe Versus Wade and the current law and like clarify some things.
	There's no way on earth they're gonna go back 60 years and undo it and then the leaked opinion comes out and i'm like you're a lawyer though, but you that was the was that the right, right decision or not?
	Like was 100 yeah, so yeah okay yeah, if you hear some legal commentators uh, talk about this and I was, I had a, I had a three versus one and not the fun kind on Destiny's channel with some other lawyers uh well, two lawyers and a law student talking about um Roe Versus Wade and starry decisis and precedent, and my argument has always been that starry decisis is useful in determining that someone at some point thought this is a good idea,
	but if the ultimate ruling Underneath was shaky or bad, that it should be cast aside like chaff because that's what it is.
	And when you've got Ruth Bader Ginsburg saying that Roe versus Wade was wrongly decided for years and years and years, even though she supported the concept, but that the underlying law was bad, then get it the fuck out of there.
	It doesn't belong.
	It doesn't mean that they're not going to come back for Roe versus a Roe versus Wade redux down the road and try and solidify abortion as a right.
	And there are some paths they can try to do it, but the way it was hackjobbed in there through the 9th and 14th Amendments was such a mess.
	And it's like, what we don't want the Supreme Court to make constitutional amendments.
	That's never been their job.
	And that's what they did here.
	And then we tried to treat it like it was sacred.
	It's like, this isn't sacred.
	It's not even that old.
	I mean, 60 years is a long time, but it's been 60 years of controversy.
	It's always been a controversial opinion.
	It's always been not accepted by roughly half of America.
	And we just all pretended like that didn't happen for some reason for just this thing.
	It's like, imagine if we all just decide, well, Brown versus Board, I mean, that went against Starry Decisis.
	So that's bad.
	I mean, that's a terrible thing.
	We can't get rid of this, even if it was wrong before.
	It's like, well, of course we can.
	Or Korematsu when they interned the Japanese Americans on the West Coast.
	It's like it took till, I think, three years ago for the Supreme Court to officially say, yeah, that was probably a bad thing to do.
	It's like, are we supposed to value Korematsu and let the government lock up an entire ethnic group just because we're at war?
	Like they just suspend all rights for what, for, for suspicion?
	I don't think so.
	Well, it's you have Kamala Harris, who's a lawyer, by the way, who was like making law in the Senate, coming out and like just even recently, pushing the whole thing.
	It's like, well, it was settled law.
	Well, it's like, but settled law does not, you know, just because they have all the no, no, no.
	Kamala said it was settled, man.
	You can't question it.
	It's done.
	Over.
	We've never questioned a law.
	I mean, there's nothing in the American history that maybe needs to be revisited slightly after the fact is that.
	Fucking hell, you fucking.
	Oh, no, it's Jim Cruz settled law.
	Oh, slave is settled law.
	You can't say that it was a fucking argument.
	Because everybody, because for years, for the last 50 years, there have been multiple, there have been like for the last 150 years, my cotton has been picked with drinking article.
	Okay.
	It's just settled law.
	Just fuck off, Kamala.
	If we really want to get into it, like the, you know, the big, the big part about the civil war that you really like, that is, is unspoken is it was actually the lack of the enforcement of the constitutional provision that said if a slave escaped to a non-slave state, it was the duty of the non-slave state at the request of the slaveholder to gather a posse to collect the slave and to return them.
	That was in the Constitution.
	It was written down as this, as this thing, like, no, you couldn't just escape.
	The other state had to give it back.
	And then the northern states decided, rightfully so, by the way, to stop doing that.
	They're like, yeah, this, one, it didn't make sense.
	Like at the state who's like, wait, so the other state is a victim of this flea attempt and they have to round up people and expend resources and then bring someone back.
	It's very, very expensive.
	You know, you couldn't just put them on a bus like Santorum did.
	Any non-slave state needs to have a slave patrol.
	Right.
	And so it's, it's like forcing this state to do it.
	I think it was a bad constitutional provision from the get-go, but it was a compromise at the South.
	But that being said, it was still in the Constitution.
	All of the states ratified it.
	They all agreed to it.
	And then they stopped doing it.
	That's what pissed the southern states off a lot.
	I mean, we always trivialize it and say, Well, this is over slavery.
	And it's like slavery is highly related and highly wound into it, but it really is about violating the agreement of the union.
	And the South wasn't ready to give that up.
	So we fought a war.
	It's just theater on the left's part.
	They don't give a damn about settle law.
	That's why they're constantly going after things like the Second Amendment.
	It's performative.
	They don't actually care.
	They're talking about court packing.
	They don't actually care what's written.
	They will simply use that excuse when they think it's convenient for themselves.
	100%.
	So I don't take it seriously.
	It's 100%.
	It's Herbert Marcuse.
	It is all conditional.
	It's situational.
	They believe in positionality and all that feminist garbage.
	And it's all just about power because they don't believe in truth.
	Because from your perspective, you see something as true.
	And from someone else's perspective, someone else sees something as true.
	And because of that, they can never agree on what's really true and blah, blah, garbage.
	It's all just an excuse to exercise power.
	Totally true.
	That's exactly how it is.
	So let's talk about Hollywood.
	Oh, God.
	Can we?
	Oh, wait.
	One thing I want, one thing I want to say.
	I'm a little bit of a, I'm an artist.
	So things kind of hit me.
	I think that there's something cool about the symbolism of on New Year's Eve, sitting down with a new mama talking about the overturning of Roe versus Wade.
	I think that's cool.
	I think that's cool.
	It's funny because when Roe versus Wade was being overturned, any like interview that I did, they're like, oh, you're a new mom, so let's talk about this.
	I think the subtext was, so you didn't abort your child.
	You actually went through with it.
	That was very brave.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But like, what frustrated me inside, I want to talk about Hollywood, but it was just, it was so grim seeing all of these like women who some of them are mothers.
	And it's like, you okay, if you've never been pregnant, I get that you don't really know how fetal development works because it's not something a lot of students spend a whole amount of time on.
	But like, if you're a mom and you've been to your eight-week ultrasound and you see the heartbeat, and then you're going to turn around and say, Clump of cells, it's like, is it, is it?
	Though it is one thing if you think you still have the right, at least are you from that?
	But there were just, there were people who are outright lying about what's happening in these women's bodies.
	And I thought it's like, okay, well, that just kind of goes to show you don't even think you have the moral high ground because if you did, you would at least be arguing honestly.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's crazy.
	So, Lauren, my wife and I have five kids.
	And before that, we'd had three miscarriages.
	So we were always considered high-risk pregnancies.
	So we got a ton of ultrasounds.
	I mean, we would have them every four weeks at most.
	And so it was amazing to go in at eight weeks, at 12 weeks, at 16 weeks, and just see that development.
	And once you do that, you can know, like, there is no way to deny it.
	Like you said, when you see the heartbeat going, it's like, okay, this is more than just, this isn't just a cancerous tumor that's in there that's going to happen to pop out with arms and legs and start crying at you for money when they turn 15.
	Like, this is something that's real.
	And then when you start to watch them like develop and grow in real time, and if you get one of them.
	But I mean, with the ultrasounds now, they have the technology where you can see your child's face while it's still in the womb.
	Like we got that done.
	It was really cool.
	And it's, it's not as if there's some magical process happening through the birth canal where all of a sudden consciousness is placed on your kid.
	So yeah, the magic's in the circus, not in the birth canal.
	Yeah, I call it the magical cervical curtain.
	Like once the baby slides through, suddenly they're a person.
	Before that, it's like the magic dirt that exists in Western countries where all of these migrants will suddenly become economically productive.
	This is what like we need to hammer the left on right because I saw Michael Knowles, who I'm a big fan of Michael Knowles, he did a debate with a feminist and she was very much like, I'm a doctor, I'm a doctor, or you know, whatever.
	And he ended up pushing the conversation to the point where she was like, Yeah, I'm a soul in a body.
	And it's like, and Michael was clearly taken aback by this because it's like, okay, we're not talking about science then, we're talking about theology.
	But it's like, holy fuck, isn't that like a massive fucking thing that we can hammer them on when it comes to abortion?
	So, okay, if it's a soul and a body, when does the soul arrive in the body?
	Surely at the quickening, Carl.
	Sorry?
	At the quickening, Carl.
	Didn't you know this?
	No, what?
	Like, I don't like.
	Oh, it's the old, but you know, the middle, the medieval period.
	You feel it moving.
	It was, yeah, when the baby started moving was the quickening.
	That was literally the soul entering the body.
	Oh, really?
	That's that's the science that all of that's the science that Roe versus Wade was based on with picking the trimester system.
	Was that, oh, at this point, it's like the average time when ensoulment happens.
	They just didn't say it that way.
	But I mean, ensoulment.
	I love that.
	Isn't it in the same thing that the left, like, of essentially getting committed to this kind of position, right?
	Where it's like, okay, so now we're not in mythology land.
	I don't believe in fucking souls.
	You know, I'm still a fucking atheist.
	So, like, it was just amazing to hear that coming out of her fucking mouth.
	I just think that's got to be fertile grounds to hammering them on, right?
	Watching, watching more fertile grounds than her, probably.
	Definitely.
	That's a very cynical thing to say, Nick.
	The vice video with Pearl and with Sidney Watson.
	Yeah.
	I haven't seen that.
	I saw Sidney Watson talking about it.
	How was it?
	It's cancer.
	Well, they were good.
	Sidney Watson and Pearl were good.
	Oh, no, no.
	Well, Pearl, Pearl is easily the like the standout.
	Like she's great.
	I didn't know about her before this.
	I subscribed to her and not all over Twitter.
	I've never been to her until I think she got banned.
	But yeah, Pearl's great.
	And I think she was definitely the glue that, you know, I mean, everybody, like every argument, you know, she was just like so solid.
	She was a solid as a rock.
	And everybody else was just so triggered by, I think at the end, there was that trans woman.
	She was just like, oh, there was a couple of these people just had so much misinformation coming out of their mouths.
	And you're like, what?
	No.
	Like Pearl was basically saying it doesn't.
	The one thing she said was that it doesn't help women if they just want to sleep around.
	Like, what is that?
	What is that helping them?
	All it's doing is helping men is kind of sidestep any kind of responsibility.
	I mean, I love that women's empowerment is fulfilling the male fancy, right?
	So every man would like, I'd love to be able to just sleep with as many women as I want.
	It's like women like, oh, well, I don't just sleep as many guys as I want.
	It's like, why are you becoming a man?
	Like, you're becoming like the fuckboy you hate, aren't you?
	Like, this is just, there was this comedian who made this fucking amazing point.
	He's like, look, you're becoming the shit men you hate.
	It's like, that's a great point.
	Like, and no one's ever framed it like that, but that's so fucking true.
	And in the video, Pearl is basically like, women want to, you know, have this thing where they can just sleep around and do whatever they want.
	And the trans girl's like, hell yeah.
	And you're just like, ugh, like, you're just proving the point that it's just wrong.
	Yeah.
	All wrong.
	And there's like, there's nothing creepier than a male feminist being rapidly pro-choice.
	It's like, oh, great.
	So you're saying that if your girlfriend or whoever, your girlfriend's partner's husband, okay, if they get pregnant, you will happily abort them and just abdicate all responsibility.
	So attractive, love that.
	If that wife's boyfriend gets them pregnant, they will have to be abort.
	That's true.
	Exactly.
	You know, they keep bringing up, like, well, what about what about incest?
	What about, you know, like a net, they always bring that up, and you say, okay, we'll carve it.
	Someone said, I saw someone do this.
	Someone was bringing that up.
	They were like, if we carve it out for you, then will you vote for it?
	And they're like, no.
	So it's like, what's the point?
	You're so full of shit.
	You're just fucking lying.
	It's the same thing with the late-term abortion stuff.
	You say late-term abortion is wrong.
	They say, Oh, well, that never happens.
	Okay, well, if it never happens, can we outlaw it?
	No, no, there can never be ever any kind of restriction ever.
	But you know, the big thing other than incest is, you know, when a woman gets attacked, and you're like, okay, so, so what you're saying is that if this happens to a woman, if a woman is attacked and she gets pregnant, she's going to carry it for nine months and then decide that she's that I don't want it.
	No, you're going to get, you're going to take plan B immediately.
	You're going to go to the police.
	You're going to get a, you're going to get a kit done.
	And it's, and they're, they're acting like, oh, well, you know, they, we have to carry it around for like even if they're too afraid to go to the police, they're going to take plan B. Even if they don't go to the police, or even if they don't get plan B, right?
	I, I could, I could accept that, okay, you, you're traumatized from what's happened.
	I totally understand, right?
	And so, like, a week later, maybe, you know, a week later, you're like, oh, I'm pregnant, or two weeks later, okay, maybe even a month later, but really nine months later, you're like, yeah, no, I'm gonna get it, or even three months.
	The reality is it's it's so rare, like it's it's insanely rare.
	That one Republican, like he said it was rare, but he said it in the wrong way.
	He's like, wow, a woman's body is actually tuned to like make it not happen.
	Although I'm gonna take the hot take here.
	What he was saying is loosely based, loosely based on some reality.
	There is, there's an easier time getting pregnant when there is less trauma involved.
	Like that stress is a stress makes pregnancy very, very complicated.
	That's true, but that's it.
	Jerry turning the frogs gay.
	That's that's women get pregnant from assault.
	I'm not trying to say that it doesn't happen.
	But it's, the problem isn't coming from a place where his wife had three miscarriages and, and there were there were, there were.
	I don't know what the issues were, but but yeah he's, he's absolutely right that that trauma stress, those kind of things can.
	Can do that as someone who's been through a bunch of fertility.
	But the problem fundamentally is it's a Boomer Republican talking about it.
	Yep exactly, and that is exactly the point, like they just have the worst way of framing anything but uh.
	But I do want to say though, the amount of the amount of abortions that are covered by the umbrella of rape and incest is so abysmally small that even if we go okay, we'll take it it eliminates almost every abortion clinic in the country.
	They just could not stay, they can't keep their doors open because it happens so rarely, and when you, when you throw in this should be a rallying cry for the left that abortion Probably the number one tool to cover up rape and incest, as it happens.
	Like that should be screamed from the rooftops is like, why are you trying to protect rapists?
	Why are you trying to protect pedophiles?
	Why are you trying to protect incestuous, abusive fathers or brothers or whatever it may be?
	Because the oldest trope in the book is for them to take their little girl who made a mistake or whatever to go get her mistake taken care of when it turns out the mistake was named dad.
	And it's fucking disgusting that that is ignored in all of this stuff.
	It's like, no, let's prosecute these people.
	And then finally, Nick, it's so ignored.
	And I'm so glad you brought it up because it's so ignored that that never even occurred to me.
	I never even thought of that.
	And I speak about these kind of things with people fairly regularly on the internet and stuff.
	So go ahead.
	I'm sorry.
	Yeah, no.
	And just the final point is that the, oh, damn it.
	Sorry, it goes.
	No, it's okay.
	It's okay.
	The final point is that shit.
	Where was I going?
	Now my brain is broken.
	We haven't even finished a drink.
	Yeah, we had to protect the pedophiles, protect the incest.
	Oh, oh, yeah.
	No, the final point is simple.
	What did the baby do to deserve to die?
	Like, still, we still haven't figured out what the punishment for the child is.
	Like, that baby didn't rape the mom.
	And so when we're talking about rights, ultimately, and this is that's that's what it boils down to, isn't it, though?
	That because that's how they frame it.
	I didn't consent to get pregnant.
	It's like, yes, you did when you had sex.
	Yeah.
	That's the consent.
	You know, I'm sorry.
	This is this, you, you can't divorce, you know, the act from the consequence.
	I didn't consent to get obese when I ate that donut.
	Yes, you fucking did.
	Okay.
	You fucking did.
	And I hate that.
	I didn't consent to kill him when I hit him with, when I accidentally hit him.
	I hit his car, you know?
	Exactly.
	Like, I hate this putting the moral burden on the unborn child for your act because you're being inconvenienced because it imposes on your decadent lifestyle.
	That's what this is.
	And it's awful.
	And what's really frustrating is that with the abortion argument, they keep comparing it to the freaking handmaid's tale because they've read like two books.
	And they that's because they're horny, Lauren.
	Right.
	So because that's what they want.
	I've actually watched that because I am a basic woman in her 20s.
	And so what's bad about the handmaid's tale is that women are forcibly impregnated, okay, by men.
	It's like it was originally about Islam, but now it's about Christianity because so that is very different than saying you can't terminate a pregnancy that has resulted from your consensual relations, right?
	It's not the same thing, but they'll try to make it you're forcing me to be pregnant.
	It's like, no, I'm not.
	Not allowing you to kill your own child is not the same thing as forcing you to be pregnant, but they don't understand that.
	Yeah, forcing you to be pregnant is having the government come and send the pregnancy squad out.
	Which is probably happening in Canada right now.
	Japan might need it, to be honest.
	I mean, people are dying a lot in Canada.
	The third most popular cause of death was the government last year.
	I think it was the sixth.
	Maybe Jen, but isn't that wild how like just the Canadian government's position on sickness is why don't you just fucking kill yourself?
	It's like, it's just wild.
	Like, oh, you're feeling depressed, are you?
	Have you considered suicide?
	Can't get up the stairs.
	Well, just finish it, mate.
	I just can't believe.
	And the thing is, it's so comical as well, right?
	Because it's like everyone, like, again, you get Republican Americans go, oh, yeah, the public health care, they're going to be putting you on death list.
	They're going to be trying to get you to kill yourself for literally bureaucratic reasons.
	And the Canadians are like, yeah, that's a great point.
	That'll save us so much money.
	It's like, look, that was a stupid boomer Republican talking point from 15 years ago.
	And you're like, yeah, good idea.
	This sounds like exactly.
	It's fucking stupid.
	Do you guys remember when it came out that that was in Obamacare?
	And because they're like, there's going to be death panels.
	And then it comes out and it's like, well, they're not called death panels, though.
	Yeah.
	I was talking to a friend of mine today about it.
	And he made a remark that was something else that hadn't occurred to me.
	It's just how many people are going to be having a bad day at work and they have this person that has an issue that another office isn't solving and they keep calling and keep calling.
	And it's, oh, this guy again.
	Oh, this guy again.
	You know, if they don't take care of you, we could offer you made because I'm sick of you calling me.
	And that's monstrous.
	And that will absolutely happen.
	Sorry to interrupt.
	Look at the little face.
	Yeah.
	He's like, what did you bring me to?
	Just look at your mom, what's going on?
	This is literally the most wholesome New Year stream on the internet right now.
	My husband's got to go pick up my dad from the airport.
	So I've got to peace out now that she's up.
	But thank you for having me.
	Thanks for coming on.
	This has been great.
	Nice to see you.
	Happy New Year.
	Happy New Year.
	See ya.
	Yeah, so back to Canadians.
	Right.
	Yes.
	Some dude's going to be like, I don't want this person calling me.
	And if I had a street at the other office isn't taking care of it.
	So you should just kill yourself because then you won't call me next week.
	I mean, they're not called death panels.
	They're called the NHS.
	It's like.
	Well, hey, the NHS, for all its flaws, right?
	The NHS is, and genuinely, it is filled with people who are trying to do their best, put in a totally unwinnable situation.
	You know, it's, I mean, it's literally like, right, you know, empty this bag of sand.
	And all you're doing is pouring sand into it.
	And it's like, why?
	Okay, fine.
	You know, we don't have death panels.
	You know, it's not Canada yet.
	Although I have to say, in a couple of years' time, we're going to get a Labor government.
	So we may end up getting so peddled down on it.
	They're just right to it.
	It's an inevitable result of the government.
	It's like, this is why private sector healthcare, one, part of why it costs so much, but two, why it's so popular with everybody who doesn't have it once they get really sick and they need something outside of the norm.
	It's like, because the government cannot, as a steward of public funds, I know that sounds funny when you think of government, but as a steward of public funds, they cannot fund fringe treatments.
	It doesn't make sense.
	They don't know if they're going to work.
	They cost a whole lot.
	It's just not a good use of government resources.
	It's way better.
	And the U.S. government recognizes this through programs like DARPA, where it's like, you guys figure it out and then we'll buy it when you do.
	But you guys dump all of the private capital into it.
	You make the thing that we're looking for and then we'll give you a contract.
	But with healthcare, it doesn't work that way.
	It only works that way in a full private system or in a mostly private system like we have here in the States.
	And that's why when anybody of any prominence gets sick in one of these countries, what do they do?
	They get on a damn plane and show up in the U.S. for their treatment because we're the only place that's building this shit.
	And Phil's totally right as well about the bureaucratic incentive.
	Like if you are just a bureaucrat, you're like, look, we are saving so much money with MAID.
	These are literally tens of thousands of people who'd have been costing us millions and millions and millions of whatever fake currency there is in Canada.
	And, you know, it would just been insane.
	And they're okay.
	If we can just incentivize, nudge theory them across to the MAID category, then that balances my books, which I love it when my books are balanced.
	That's all I care about in life.
	Who gives a fuck?
	They're all gone now.
	They're not complaining.
	They're dead.
	They're not complaining and they're not suffering anymore.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Oh, I'm such a good person.
	You know, fucking kill yourself.
	But I mean, look at how monstrous.
	Look how far we've come.
	You know, remember the days of Jack Kavorkian and how that was like so such a morally terrible thing.
	That rings a bell.
	Remind me.
	Remind me.
	Assisted suicide.
	After death.
	Right, right, right.
	Actually, yeah, there was a movie.
	I think it was an Errol Morris movie.
	too, documentary.
	But there was all this controversy.
	It's like, wait, you're helping somebody who's on the edge of death, like, you know, like help relieve their pain.
	It's like, no, you can't do that.
	It's awful.
	Now there's, now that there's actually like that an entire government is like, you know, maybe, maybe.
	It could work.
	I know.
	I don't know if you can.
	We've arrived at that point.
	Everybody has a metal bracelet.
	It's like, okay, it's my time.
	Come put me out of my misery.
	I don't have a ton of problem.
	Like, I don't want anybody to commit suicide ever personally, but I do not have a problem with people deciding that their time is now and they're going to do that, especially after a long sickness.
	And that's not always been my position.
	But, you know, over the past several years, I've kind of changed on that towards my perspective of libertarianism.
	What I never, ever want, though, is a government determining when it's someone's time.
	I don't want that at all.
	Or even incentivizing or persuading, suggesting.
	It's not your fucking business.
	And that's the problem.
	That's the one lingering problem I have with like assisted suicide, even when it's private is is there a persuasion going on?
	Is there something where they're capitalizing on someone's maybe temporary thing to fund their business of helping people die?
	I don't think that that's all doctors or anything like that.
	But if it becomes an industry, I start to get concerned.
	Like if you go into the lobby and it's just a bunch of depressing videos playing while you're waiting in the like, but it's also worse.
	It's worse, though, because it's just like the abortion thing where you've got a bunch of ideologically possessed people who are like, oh, no, this is healthcare.
	This is good.
	I'm doing the morally righteous thing.
	It's not even that it's morally neutral, you know?
	Like, it's genuine.
	They have a conviction where they're like, oh, no, yeah, no.
	Get that abortion.
	It's for your good.
	Get yourself killed.
	It's for your good.
	I can't stand this anti-human view of the world.
	I can't either.
	It is anti-human.
	God, it is.
	And it's so prevalent.
	There's so many people that talk about, oh, the world would be so much better if there were either less humans or no humans.
	And it's like, I heard someone describe human beings and human consciousness like this.
	Like you, your knees and your stomach aren't conscious, but they're part of your body.
	Human beings are part of the universe.
	Human beings are the consciousness of the universe.
	It's the only consciousness that we know.
	Obviously, the whole universe isn't consciousness, but us being in the universe is the consciousness in the universe.
	Like it's the existence of humans is actually profound.
	And I think it's important to look at the existence of human beings that can just look at ourselves and see ourselves and contemplate it.
	That's a profound thing.
	And I think that it is a meaningful existence just to be able to contemplate the universe.
	When you think about how long the universe, how long forever is, or even how long it is from the moment of the Big Bang until the heat death, the amount of time that the stars are in the sky or the stars exist is incredibly brief when compared to the actual how long the universe is going to exist.
	So it's it to me, it's it's just profound and it's important for humans to exist.
	But and on that note, if you see all of these people who are so concerned about the earth and climate change, and they go, well, you know, I'm not going to have kids because I want to, you know, like the carbon footprint or whatever.
	And we're like, are you kidding me?
	Like the whole, the earth isn't going anywhere.
	It's, it's, it goes down the carlin thing.
	I saw, no, no, I've got the worst example of this.
	I saw someone making, I can't remember where it was now, but it was some fucking shit rag publication that was like, we shouldn't mine the asteroid fields.
	It's like, why?
	Well, we want to, we want to leave the universe pristine.
	For who?
	Why?
	Like, have you ever seen the universe?
	It's a chaotic disaster.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, exactly.
	But like, but like, why?
	It's like, yeah, but we need to leave it untouched.
	For what reason?
	It's a fucking rock in space.
	It's been there for millions of years.
	It's going to be for millions more unless we use it because we need it.
	You know, like, what's wrong with that?
	No one's who cares?
	Like, I don't understand.
	Like, everybody goes, oh, well, there's a housing crisis.
	So there's a homeless crisis.
	Oh, there's this.
	Oh, there's that.
	Let's mine an asteroid and take those minerals and everybody gets fucking rich.
	Why can't we do that?
	That would only serve mankind.
	Exactly.
	That's exactly.
	That would only serve.
	It's the same reason they hate nuclear power.
	It's the same reason they hate human flourishing and capitalism and everything else.
	They hate themselves and therefore they expand this onto everyone.
	No, mankind bad.
	And if I can oppress my fellow man in the name of essentially something else, something greater.
	And it's exactly as you were saying, Phil, right?
	You're right.
	Like human beings are the only part of the universe that is capable of reflecting on the universe itself.
	You would think that would make us in some way respectful of our own existence.
	At least, right?
	At least respectful.
	Thank you.
	That's a perfect way to articulate it.
	At least find value in the existence of human beings.
	Yeah.
	Instead, pathologize.
	Humans are evil, destructive, wasteful.
	And it'd be better if they didn't exist.
	It'd be better if they killed themselves.
	It'd be better if they didn't procreate.
	It's like, you are fucking sick.
	That's a sick perspective.
	I can't stand it.
	But, right, I'm just going to go get another drink because I've run out.
	Carry on.
	And then when we get back, let's talk about fucking Hollywood, man.
	Because I love what's happening in Hollywood right now.
	Not all the bad stuff, obviously, but the fact that it's going tits up.
	And that's wonderful.
	I'll be back in a sec.
	You know, this new movie, Babylon?
	I heard it's a disaster, but I have, I've not seen anything.
	It's like the director of La La Land and Whiplash.
	And it bombed because, you know, like, it's not Top Gun.
	It's, it, the trailers are awful.
	There, there was a Tic Tech, a Tic Tech, TikTok ad where it was basically like three seconds of Toby Maguire smiling and laughing weird.
	And he has like these yellow teeth.
	I'm like, gee, I can't imagine why nobody would want to see that in a theater.
	Like, pay like $25 or whatever.
	I haven't, I haven't been to the movies to an actual movie since like 2019, I think.
	And it was Book Smart.
	It was that Olivia Wilde movie.
	And before that, which is a funny movie, you know.
	Last one I saw in theaters was Top Gun Maverick, which was fucking awesome.
	Yeah, it was great.
	I ended up, I was too busy.
	I bought the 4K Blu-ray and I have like a pretty big TV.
	So that was fun.
	That was fun to watch.
	I mean, it's not like the greatest movie ever, but it's not woke.
	It's everything that it needed to be.
	It didn't need to have like a well-thought-out, like elaborate enemy.
	The movie wasn't about the enemy.
	The movie was about, you know, the movie was about the own and hit that.
	I mean, it was Star Wars.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Yes.
	Shoot the photon torpedo.
	But the movie was intended to be.
	I think that the movie was intended to be a movie that you could just go and watch and enjoy without all of the stuff.
	Yeah, and turn and be like a popcorn movie, really, really focus on the fact that it was a popcorn movie.
	And I think that the fact that it did so well is it reflects and reflects on that.
	I think people really like the fact that it wasn't, you know, beating them overhead.
	And it was easy to follow.
	And Tom Cruise looks great.
	I mean, he was, I guess, like 57 at the time because they filmed it a couple years ago.
	And I remember like during in the middle of COVID, everybody was like, you need to release the nude bond on streaming services.
	Like, pay, just pay them a lot of money.
	And, and I think they even thought about it too.
	But with Tom Cruise, he was like, this is a movie that needs to be seen in the theater.
	That's it.
	No discussion.
	And he was right.
	He was absolutely right.
	It was fun to watch.
	It's a fun movie.
	But you have like Babylon, which I don't even know the plot.
	I feel like it looks like the great Gatsby, you know, the Leo movie.
	It just looks like a bunch of decadent people in the 40s or whatever, like in Hollywood having a good time.
	And I'm like, I want to pay to see this.
	I don't need to see this.
	I don't need to see this thing.
	What's the last movie you guys saw like at home or whatever?
	Well, I just watched Basic Instinct.
	Was there a reason on your stream?
	Yeah, I watched it on Twitch because so Basic Instinct was my final was one of my last classes in undergrad was a film noir independent study.
	And so I watched Basic Instinct then, but it's been 20 years since I've watched this thing.
	And it was on Twitch.
	And I'm like, okay, we got, I liked it back then.
	And I think it's a little, it gets overshadowed by Sharon Stone's Vagina, which I think is one of the least important things in the movie.
	I think the rest of it is so fucking good.
	And so I wanted to watch that with Twitch.
	And then after I did, I realized that my wife hadn't watched it in 20 years.
	So I made her watch it with me.
	So I watched it like twice, two days in a row, or, you know, two days in a row back to back.
	And both times, it's so good.
	Like the Paul Verhoven's the director, you know, RoboCop, Starship Troopers, and like the way he frames shots and the way he focuses in on people's faces and the way he shifts power in every single scene.
	You're just like, God, this is just, this is just good, fun art.
	Like it's done just right.
	And you don't, they just don't do it that well anymore.
	No, and the whole time you're second-guessing yourself.
	And even after the Gene Triplehorn, who's hot in that movie, like even after that whole reveal, you're still questioning everything about the movie.
	You know, it's nothing is, nothing is cut and dry in that movie.
	It's, it's so great.
	It's been so long.
	I will say, though, the newest movie I watched recently, which was very, very good, was Bullet Train.
	Okay.
	And I don't know if you guys have seen anything about it.
	I know what it is.
	All I heard was that people were like, oh, this, this is a good movie.
	And it's just good, fun.
	It reminds me of a Guy Ritchie movie.
	The characters are really strong, really enticing.
	The dialogue is sharp and witty, and everything is just, it's fun and high-octane all the way through.
	It's just good.
	Okay, fine.
	I will, I will sit and watch it.
	I have all these movies on disc that I have not watched yet, like The Northman.
	Oh, I want to see that so bad.
	And everything Everywhere All At Once and Dune.
	I haven't seen the Dune movie yet, but I'll but I'll keep popping in movies that I've watched over and over again because it's like Glenn Gary Glen Ross.
	Oh, like I love it.
	I love that movie so much.
	There's a rhythm to that movie.
	It's like there's like I'm pretty sure that I could recite the whole movie right now.
	It's just that good.
	And I've seen it that many times.
	But like that movie and Casino, which I hated the first time I watched it because the Sharon Stone thing, like you just hate that character, but that's you're supposed to hate her.
	Yeah.
	These, all these people are terrible people, you know, and they're all making all the wrong choices every everywhere.
	But there's just something about that movie where like it just gets better every time you watch it.
	And, you know, like that movie and what else was I watching?
	It's watching Escape from New York again.
	Oh, yes.
	I love it so much more than Escape from LA.
	Oh, Escape from LA is awful.
	It's just basically a rehash.
	It should have never been done.
	But you love the Snake Plissken character.
	You love the anti-hero.
	But what makes, and also the music is better in Escape from New York.
	And in Escape from LA, it's trash.
	I don't know what happened.
	But somebody was telling me that I should watch the new Halloween movies.
	And I really don't have an interest, but now I kind of do because I heard that John Carpenter, who executive produced a movie, obviously he's making money, but he did the music to all three of those movies, which I didn't know.
	He did the soundtrack.
	So it has kind of a connection to the older films.
	So I might go watch it.
	Phil, what's the last movie you saw?
	I think it might have been Maverick, to be honest with you.
	I watched it.
	I'm not sure how long ago I actually saw it, but that's probably the, I'm not big on watching a lot of movies and stuff like that.
	I'll go and watch, if I want to watch a movie, I'll try and like watch something like Ghostbusters or something old, like Dumb and Dumber or, you know, because the classics and stuff.
	I'm not.
	I haven't been impressed with a movie in so long.
	I'm so, I've been so let down by so many movies that were what I were I expected to be better.
	I just don't feel like there's a lot of creativity in Hollywood right now.
	Like I watched Afterlife, the Ghostbusters Afterlife, and it didn't feel like a Ghostbusters movie to me at all.
	It was fun seeing the little cameo thing at the end, but I just felt so bored by it.
	But it was at least it was better than Ghostbusters, you know, female feminist Ghostbusters.
	The most unfunny movie, and I haven't really talked about this like on my channel or anything.
	But what was so great about the original is there aren't really jokes in the original.
	They're not like making like, say, you know, they're not making jokes.
	They're saying things that are funny.
	You know, I think there's maybe even just one pop culture reference in the entire movie where at the end where they think they beat Gozer and Bill Murray's like, it's millet time.
	Like that one pop culture thing in lady Ghostbusters, like everything is a joke.
	These are the funniest women on the planet and they're also scientists and they're also like big.
	They catch one ghost in the entire movie and then they let it go and it kills Bill Murray.
	So these people are idiots, right?
	They really are.
	It's an awful, awful movie and it's so unfunny.
	I got a buddy that was in in was one of the extras in the movie scene where they're doing the whole head thing moving around or whatever.
	And he's like, it's great.
	It's great.
	It's great.
	I'm like, I don't know, dude.
	He's like, no, I promise, dude.
	And I'm like, I don't know, dude.
	The only reason.
	I love him.
	I don't want a crap on, you know.
	Like, I heard it.
	Like, it just looked like it was going to be bad.
	And I kind of gave it the benefit of the doubt because I liked the heat.
	The Sandra Bullock and Melissa McCarthy.
	It's not like the, it's, it's a funny movie.
	They have a pretty good dynamic, a good chemistry.
	And I thought, okay, well, if Ghostbusters is like half as good as that, then maybe, and I mean, it was, it was awful.
	It was, as Dankula would say, it was shite, but it's fucking shite.
	So, what are we giving the benefit of the doubt here?
	Oh, I have just because I, you know, the movie The Heat with Sandra Bullock and McCarthy from a few years ago.
	Not heat, the heat.
	Heat.
	Yeah.
	It was like a buddy cop movie with a fat chick and a skinny chick.
	Sounds great.
	And Bill.
	Can't wait to watch it.
	At one point, like it's in Boston, so everybody's like kind of a wacky character.
	And I thought this was.
	I have been to Boston.
	I think that is true.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	No, it's, I'm, I'm saying that from the heart.
	Uh, but, but the, the director, the, the, the director of the heat also directed lady ghostbusters.
	So I kind of went in knowing it was going to be bad, but I'm like, you know what?
	Maybe, maybe it'll, maybe I'll enjoy it on some kind of level and one of the worst movies I've ever seen.
	So we're going to, we were going to talk about Hollywood.
	Actually, real quick, I asked Nick and I asked Phil what the last movies they saw.
	What's the last movie you've saw, Carl?
	In the theaters or on TV or whatever?
	I had to watch the new Jurassic World one because obviously you take the kids to go see it.
	I just, I just can't understand how you can have a movie with fucking dinosaurs and make it about cockroaches.
	Oh no, crickets, sorry, locusts.
	And like you've, you've got literally all of the famous cast of Jurassic, the Jurassic franchise.
	And it's the worst film I've seen in years.
	I was just like, why are you doing this?
	Like, all you need is all you need to do is have some of the old cast.
	You could raise the stakes, have some of the old cast being eaten by a dinosaur.
	You know, they're old.
	They're not coming back.
	You know, it's not like it's, you know, it's not Chris Pratt and the, I can't remember the woman's name now.
	Dallas Bryce Dallas Howard.
	That's it.
	You know, okay, fair enough.
	You want to keep those because they're the sort of youngish actors, you know, who you do future.
	And that's older by the day.
	I'm just saying.
	She's a very attractive lady.
	What are you talking about?
	She was very mean.
	Boom.
	Very mean.
	Disavow again sooner than I didn't say.
	Although I'll give you my take on black female lead actors and actresses in a minute.
	God, that one quiet, didn't it?
	But anyway, it's exciting anticipation, Carl.
	We're all waiting for the others.
	It's just this.
	Okay, so you've got this new dinosaur.
	This is big giga thing.
	Okay, it's terrifying.
	Right, great.
	Have it eat like Ian Malcolm or something, you know?
	And then it would have been like, oh, fuck, big stakes, you know, have Grant and Ellie do something amazing, have the new character support them.
	And it could have been a really nice send-off for beloved characters.
	High stakes, high attention.
	It can be exciting.
	No, we've got these locusts that are eating crops.
	Oh, fucking hell.
	And then at the end of it, we're like, oh, no, we've just got to live with the dinosaurs.
	Are dinosaurs all over the earth?
	Okay, we don't get to see any of that.
	Okay, great.
	And at the end, you've got like a triceratops walking with a herd of elephants.
	It's like, that's not how it works.
	That's not how it works.
	What is wrong with you, people?
	And so the film is shit.
	And it was really long and really boring.
	And I could see my son.
	I was watching him as he was watching it just fidgeting in his seat because he was not interested in like the World Health Organization dealing with the plague of locusts.
	Well, you know, you talk about the old cast and how it should have been special, at least were their scenes when they were together.
	Was the chemistry kind of there or was it just like bad?
	No, it felt very stilted.
	And the thing is, as well, like a lot of the new cast and the old cast don't know each other, right?
	And so they get kind of thrown together and they've got like, oh, it's you.
	And it's like, but you don't know each other.
	But the audience knows who you all are.
	And so you want to try and pretend like they're actually, they're all buddies.
	And it's like, no, they're complete strangers.
	So it feels really ham-fisted and poorly executed.
	The whole thing was genuinely terrible.
	Very disappointing.
	That's how I feel about the Force Awakens, you know, where I feel homicidal about the Force Awakens.
	Somebody put out a like a picture.
	It was like a Photoshop of Lando, Luke, Han, and Chewy.
	Yeah.
	Maybe Leia, like all in the cockpit of the Millennium Falcon.
	It was basically the caption was like, what could have been?
	Yeah.
	In the meantime, you have three movies where Han and Luke don't see each other, where Luke and Leia are on for like five seconds, where Lando is just like, he's an afterthought.
	And you're like, where's the fun adventure?
	Andrew, Andrew, I'm sorry to cut you off.
	We know, we, we know everything about how bad those movies are and how Ray is just a Mary Sue.
	Look, no, Andrew, the reason that it matters is because they stole something from the old, the people my age that grew up with Star Wars.
	They stole the opportunity to see Han Solo, Luke Skywalker, Princess Leia together again.
	And it matters because Carrie Fisher has not passed away.
	And so they stole an opportunity.
	But they also killed Han Solo in the first movie.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	Which made no sense anyway.
	Like, yeah, I know he did.
	I know he wanted a death scene since Jedi.
	JJ Abrams should have taken care of it in the beginning.
	Like he should have done it right in the first one and at least made had Han Solo get together with those or at least set it up so that could happen.
	I blame mostly Ryan Johnson because that movie was an absolutely literally intentionally wanted to deconstruct the movie.
	He did Star Wars and ruin it.
	And so F him forever.
	That was something that mattered to millions and millions of Americans and he literally stole it from them.
	I mean, like, so I've never been a Star Wars fan.
	It's not that I dislike Star Wars.
	You know, there's always something that was, you know, be on a Sunday afternoon or something, you know, but I can totally understand that literally millions of people are genuinely invested in this in the same way that I like Tolkien.
	You know, I, you know, it's a giant epic space fantasy that is really built around the love you have for the kind of characters and the interactions they have one.
	Can totally understand.
	It's not my thing, but I totally understand it.
	And like to have, to give it someone like Ryan Johnson, I mean, like, J.J. Abrams is kind of an incompetent grifter, as far as I'm concerned, right?
	Everything he does is wildly mediocre.
	And it's actually hard to picture something more mediocre than something J.J. Abrams has done.
	But okay, at least he's not being mendacious, you know, at least he's not willfully being like, I'm going to ruin this.
	Whereas Ryan Johnson so obviously approached it with the attitude of, yeah, I'm just going to ruin everything about this.
	And then reconstruct it and take it apart and rethink it and this postmodern way or whatever.
	But why, though?
	To hurt you, to subvert your expectations, to attack the audience.
	And then J.J. Abrams has to come in and be like, oh, no, I have to undo all of this.
	And it's like, I mean, it's so comically out in the open, you know, that it's like, oh, Jedi should never mistreat his lightsaber.
	It's like, why did you do it then?
	Oh, because you were written by a director who hates you, right?
	But it's just like, right, this, this sort of evil will that we can see coming from Hollywood, right?
	That's the thing that puts me off.
	It's not even the incompetence.
	Like, at least with the Jurassic World one, it wasn't, it didn't seem to have an evil will behind it.
	Although maybe actually, I'm, no, maybe it did, actually.
	But it wasn't so just openly villainous.
	Whereas this is what I'm seeing out of Hollywood now.
	It's just literally villains in charge.
	And I can't stand it, man.
	I can't stand it.
	I can't bear to watch anything they make now.
	Well, actually, Gundam did a pretty good, I mean, not pretty good, like an amazing wrap-up of the Obi-Wan series.
	And of course, dips back into all the Star Wars lore and everything.
	But what about Star Trek?
	Ricky, Nikki, were you going to say something?
	I was just going to shit post on the Jedi.
	No, go ahead.
	That's why I love you.
	Come on.
	Don't hold back.
	What are you doing?
	You know, there's groomers.
	They're always groomers.
	Jedi are groomers.
	It's pretty obvious.
	They mind control and mind touch little kids all the time.
	Oh, we're going to make you a Jedi.
	Touch my lightsaber.
	Yeah, put this blindfold on while I wave this wand around by you.
	Sure.
	I like the Jedi's are actually jihadi's one, too.
	They are.
	They are totally.
	Yeah.
	Hey, we need to bring balance to the force.
	What's that mean?
	We need to wipe out the opponents.
	Oh, that's balance, is it?
	Right.
	Okay.
	Yeah, it's not quite balanced, is it?
	That's pretty obvious.
	Yeah, that's not how I define balance anyway.
	Surprised by how Anakin turned out.
	You guys are great idiots.
	The Jedi's mission statement.
	Their mission statement is openly just genocide, right?
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Genocide.
	Right.
	Okay.
	That's what that's what we as Jedi are for.
	Right.
	Okay.
	Great.
	Nothing could go wrong.
	Like, and then it's like, oh, no, the Sith are wiping out the Jedi.
	Oh, no.
	They're doing to us what we want to do to them.
	Oh, no.
	Sorry.
	I'm not terribly sympathetic, actually.
	You know, of course, being balanced to the force, he just wiped out all the bad guys.
	Or, well, the good, whatever.
	There can only be one sex of religious zealots kill each other.
	There's the, well, there's the Sith Lord and then the apprentice, right?
	There's only two Sith at any given time.
	And they're like, they're like, well, we need to bring balance to this.
	I'm like, there's like 50, you assholes.
	Go get some fucking Canadian healthcare, Jesus.
	But, you know, you're talking about, well, okay, are you like a Star Trek person, Carl?
	No, I mean, I've watched a lot more Star Trek, and I did like Star Trek when I was younger, but like, I haven't kept up with it, and I can't imagine it's any good now.
	Well, when it came to the movies, like not the old Star Trek, but like, say, the next generation.
	If you ever watch, you know, Red Letter Media, the guy.
	Oh, yeah, I've watched all their breakdowns.
	I mean, I love them to death.
	But some, I think, Mike Stiklosa's underrated work is he reviewed the Star Trek movies and he basically showed how completely different the movies were compared to the TV show, where he was like, well, you have two captains.
	You have like Captain Picard and then the Captain Picard from the movie.
	We'll call him Ralph or whatever, because it's not, it's not even like the same.
	It's not even the same thing.
	It's not the same diplomatic.
	He's a wild man bare knuckle boxing car driving maniac.
	Yeah, like he became, he became a borg.
	He became a borg, right?
	And then was cured of the borgness.
	But then in first contact, he basically liberal and then the guy just kills him and goes, yeah, he can't be helped.
	It's like, no, you can't be reversed.
	Completely different Picard.
	Typical Picard.
	Just can't be helped.
	See, then in Star Trek Picard, they tried to like undo that character thing, which Star Trek Picard was, there's like some fun moments in the show, but it's cancerous.
	My wife is a huge like Star Trek nerd and keeps watching through the series chronologically, like all of the series chronologically.
	So like I have seen so much Star Trek of all different stripes.
	And she was just, she just is, she's in the original series right now again.
	And she was just lamenting the other day.
	And I was like, I want you to come online and say this because it's just great.
	She's talking about how back in the original series, just from a character standpoint, all the men are allowed to be men.
	in the show.
	When there's a woman on deck, they're all like apprehensive and kind of like, because all the women are hot, right?
	So they come in and like all the officer guys are like exchanging glances.
	And then when the women leave, they're like, like, damn.
	Like she's gone.
	Kirk is picking up every piece of alien vagina he can find like all across the world.
	And there's this, there's this one she was just watching where McCoy's on shore leave with some random hottie from the ship and they're on a planet where like whatever you think comes true.
	And like they walk up and there's this dress and she's like, look at this dress.
	He's like, Dr. McCoy's like, put it on.
	I want to see you wear it.
	So she's like, all right, doctor, but no peeking.
	He's like, when I peek, it's only in a medical capacity.
	What is happening?
	This is great.
	It was like flirty and fun.
	And they were men.
	Like they were, they were a little bit crude, but they were ultimately wholesome.
	Like, it's not like they were, well, that one episode, Kirk's out, they're raping chicks, but that was when he got split in half.
	That wasn't his fault.
	But oh, we've got an excuse, do we?
	Yeah.
	Well, it was his bad side and it's Andrew Tate about it.
	And so he was split in the teleporter.
	Right.
	But he realized that he needed the bad side because the good side was too weak.
	He wouldn't take risks.
	So he needed that impulsiveness.
	He needed that ability to be cutthroat to make a good captain.
	It's pretty cool, like the messaging that they had in the original series.
	And now it's like, it's all this watered down bullshit.
	It's the messaging went from the human condition to the social condition that we want to impose.
	And that's the downfall of basically all of modern entertainment that's pissing me off.
	It's like a card with they go to, I think, San Francisco, like around this time.
	And there's been some kind of civil war.
	And, you know, it's like the Republicans are basically ruining.
	Literally, yes.
	How did they know that San Francisco would be a shithole?
	Like weird prophecy from Star Trek there, isn't it?
	But this is the thing, like with the new Star Wars, right?
	Like it's actually not got bad like play to use.
	Like the idea of Luke Skywalker being a bitter old man because he failed, right?
	That's not a bad arc, right?
	But you don't have to approach the character as if you hate the character and make him drink the alien tit milk.
	You're like, what the fuck are you doing?
	You know, like that is not a bad idea.
	But, you know, when he's given the lightsaber, he should be like, you know, having flashbacks or something.
	He should be.
	If Luke were to go into exile, it would have been very reminiscent of Yoda.
	Exactly.
	Right.
	It's, it's not a bad callback.
	And it's, it's logically consistent with what Luke's life experiences.
	Right.
	Okay.
	When you failed as a Jedi, you go into exile and reflect on your failure, right?
	Okay, fine.
	And he could become bitter and like alienated.
	That's fine.
	But like getting the lightsaber back should have been an impactful moment in his character.
	He shouldn't have just been like, fuck that.
	What was that?
	I don't know.
	You know, it's, like I said, I'm not even a Star Wars fan, but I totally felt for Star Wars fans.
	You could see what was going on, though.
	Yeah.
	Like you saw, you saw the just being familiar with the story because the hero's journey is the hero's journey, whether it's Luke Skywalker or whatever.
	You know what the implications are.
	And so when you see the story, which essentially should have been Ray's Heroes journey, it should have been.
	But they didn't want to go through all that.
	We've been at the end of Ray's Heroes Journey where she's just the hero.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Exactly.
	Like, she can just fly this amazing spaceship that she's only seen around.
	You know, like, I kind of disagree with, you know, Luke being like, Luke shouldn't have been.
	They could have done it.
	He could have been bitter.
	Like, okay, he failed with Hansolo, with Ben Solo, right?
	He failed there.
	But it could have, you, if Snoke and the Empire is coming back, then maybe he would have that calling.
	Like, maybe he's on this planet alone.
	He doesn't know what the fuck is going on.
	And then Rey is like, oh, shit, like, the Empire is back.
	And he's like, oh, okay.
	Then I need to work through what's happening.
	You have the Rocky V montage where he's like back in training, you know, like in on Hoth running through like in Rocky, like getting ready to fight.
	I know we were trying to mirror the noble sacrifice of Obi-Wan, right?
	Like that was the idea.
	They just pulled it off so damn poorly.
	Yeah, like you don't, you don't have, okay, fine.
	Like Luke, Luke shows up to the planet, has a lightsaber fight, and then, oh, he wasn't there the whole time.
	He was that.
	So you're like, wait, wait, what?
	It just completely takes away everything that was so key about it.
	But then it's not even like he dies on another planet somewhere.
	And it's just like, why?
	Let him have the noble sacrifice for the love of God.
	You know, that's wholesome for him to have this noble sacrifice to save everyone else and give them time to get out or whatever it is.
	For fuck's sake.
	Like I said, I don't even care what Star Wars, but this really annoyed me.
	It'd be really cool if they would have actually had him figure out how to like expend a bunch of energy and literally transport himself there rather than like a projection.
	Like, okay, this is what Luke's been up to.
	He's been really focusing on all this stuff.
	He's been cultivating his, whatever they're called, my Midichlorians or whatever.
	And he's going to go in a one last blazing jihadi hurrah.
	Like, coming with a lightsaber.
	It's like overcharged or whatever.
	Like, that would be cool.
	And they didn't do that.
	And like, yeah, let him, let him die with dignity in glorious combat, sacrificing himself.
	Not like, oh, I made a hologram.
	Oh, God, it was really hard.
	And then I just faded off into the ether.
	And then they just fell asleep.
	Oh, fucking hell.
	I mean, it's just clear that he hated Star Wars and wanted to hurt it.
	They keep bringing people in who hate the original or like have no respect for the original.
	I mean, we saw this.
	Like, I know some people like the Transformers movies.
	They all broke my heart.
	And Michael Bay never watched Transformers.
	And they weren't, they were cool, kind of, but they weren't Transformers.
	They actually had very little to do with Transformers at the end of the day.
	You know, they're not with Trans.
	This is why I hated the movie coming out.
	And you're like, are you kidding?
	It's like, why?
	Why do I, I don't want to watch any of this.
	All I ever wanted them to do was take the 1989 movie or 87 or whenever it was and just put it in 3D with actors.
	Like, just do the exact same movie.
	It'd be so awesome.
	The fight between Prime and Megatron was fucking Bush screen background.
	Yeah.
	Even had the soundtrack re-recorded because the you got the touch.
	That sounds awesome.
	Like, I watched, I watched like the first or second like start in the Transformers movies and Michael Bay ones.
	And I was just like, why are there humans in my anthropomorphic robot movie?
	I just don't care about what these humans are going through.
	There's an intergalactic war going on, isn't there?
	Let's get to that.
	I didn't love God.
	Right.
	I got two mining energy cubes.
	I don't want to see like, oh, Megan Fox leaning over a motorcycle looking hot.
	Like, I'm not a kid.
	I do.
	That was a good idea.
	I was part of the Transformers movie.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, there's a time in the past.
	I can't do it anywhere, frankly.
	It's fine.
	It's fine.
	No, because there are humans in the Transformers show.
	Yeah, it's a very minor part.
	Little ancillary parts.
	But like, I remember how important it was when Chip's about to die.
	Right?
	Like, Chip's about to get dropped into what's his face?
	The big fucking planet.
	Unicron.
	Yeah, Unicron.
	They're about to.
	Well, I remember this really well.
	Yeah, they're about to drop him into Unicron's digestive system.
	And you're like, no, no, no, you can't kill Chip.
	And then his little kid comes in there and he blasts the thing and saves his dad.
	It's like, that's cool.
	And when the kid transforms, it's all great.
	When Megan Fox leans over the motorcycle, it's perfect.
	But then I want to get back to the struggle for Cybertron and control over Cybertron and how important it is and how important Earth has become to these robots because they set themselves up like they're there and now they're protectors of these people and they're kind of integrating into that.
	And like none of that comes through the movies.
	It wasn't coming in, like the government coming in and yelling at Optimus, like, well, you're ruining things.
	Like, like, I don't care.
	Like, why should they give a fuck about the government?
	You know, they're there for one reason.
	It's like, oh, oh, really?
	Oh, like, Congress is going to subpoena Optimus and they're going to see some big problems.
	Yeah.
	Oh, open up, Optimus.
	It's the feds.
	They literally.
	Shadow banning your account, Optimus.
	They literally kill the Black Transformer.
	When Megatron rips Jazz in half, I'm like, you motherfuckers, you did it.
	Why?
	Why?
	Like, you could have killed any Transformer.
	You killed Jazz.
	Like, you just fed right into the stereotype.
	Why did you do this?
	Unacceptable.
	But anyway, right.
	So let me get onto my views on black female lead characters.
	Okay.
	Before the modern era, I would not have blinked twice, right?
	It would have just been like, okay, it's a person doing the thing.
	But now, every single time I see one on like a movie post or something like that, I'm thinking, right, why are they there?
	You know, and it's not that they're good or bad.
	I don't know.
	I don't watch that fucking movie, right?
	But I can't help but think that a bunch of really fucking progressive people in a focus group have been like, oh, we need to lift up marginalized voices.
	Oh, black women are the most marginalized.
	Oh, we have to have a black female lead character in this.
	And I'm just like, right.
	And so, like, I just, it's not that I think there's something necessarily wrong with them.
	It's just contingently, every fucking time Hollywood produces a film like this.
	I'm just like, no, I don't, I don't believe that you made that casting choice for neutral reasons.
	You know, I think this is a gender-driven.
	And I just, like, I was watching The Witcher, and it's not that, in fact, the woman in it is not bad, actually.
	Michelle, yeah.
	You know, I was watching the first season of The Witcher because, you know, Cavill left, and I was like, you know, I'd watch that a part of it.
	And she's actually not bad.
	And I found myself with this kind of prejudice that they had drummed into me from their, like, you know, their pre, you know, their ideological casting.
	Even though she does a good job, I was finding myself, I don't know about this.
	But what, you know, what the fuck?
	Like, The Witch is a great example, right?
	Cavill is clearly the standout thing about that series.
	He's so good as the character.
	And okay, the world around him is trying to be quite like, you know, high stakes Game of Thrones-y world.
	It's like, okay, I don't hate it.
	It's done a bit, bit ham-fistedly.
	And like, for anyone, like, there are a lot of modern words used in The Witcher, which kind of bug me.
	Like, they'll use words like mechanical or autonomous and stuff like this.
	And it's just like, you know, you're portraying like a medieval society.
	They wouldn't use terms like that.
	But okay, fine, whatever.
	You know, Cavill does a good job.
	And, you know, it's quite watchable.
	And then for some reason, they decide they're going to get rid of Cavill or Cavill quits.
	I take it you saw the allegation for a noble purpose, Carl.
	That's what I hear.
	You know why?
	Well, it turns out he's a Gamergate, bro, right?
	Oh, I don't care about, I don't care why he's gone.
	I just know where he's going and I'm so happy.
	Well, hang on.
	Okay, right.
	So apparently the reason that he left is he's an evil Gamergate misogynist, which just made me like him more, actually, to be honest, obviously.
	That means he's good.
	Yeah, it means he's good.
	Yeah.
	So from his perspective, his argument is, well, they weren't being faithful to the story and universe of The Witcher, and therefore I wanted to produce that.
	That's why I've left.
	And from their perspective, he was an evil gamer who wouldn't take instruction from a woman.
	And therefore, he had to go.
	Was the woman wrong?
	Obviously, she was.
	She was a progressive film hack, right?
	And so Cavill, and there are lots of stories about The Witcher Warriors.
	Like, well, like the scene where his horse dies, they wanted to play it off as a comedy.
	And he's like, dude, that's not how it would go.
	And so they let him do it himself, like write himself, whatever.
	And it turned out to be one of the best moments in the series, according to people who've watched it.
	I'm not even finally through the series, so I don't know yet.
	And so it's just like, it's really weird.
	And then, yeah, he goes to the Superman thing, leaves.
	And then the next day, wasn't it Nick?
	It's like, oh, by the way, he's actually going to do a Warhammer 40,000 series with Amazon.
	And I'm just like, okay, hang on a second.
	Like, what the fuck am I here?
	Like, what am I hearing here, right?
	Okay, Henry Cavill, known Warhammer 40,000 fan.
	Great.
	Guy who sticks to the law and the, is faithful to telling a good story with good intent towards the audience.
	Great.
	You know, big fan.
	Amazon.
	There sounds like there's going to be a massive problem.
	Counterpoint.
	Counterpoint.
	Reacher, Jack Ryan, and Terminalist.
	All Amazon.
	Okay.
	That's my counterpoint.
	I'm happy to hear a counterpoint.
	And like I said, I'm just fucking skeptical.
	So I don't know a lot of the, I know, Carl, I know you're super into 40k.
	I don't know a lot of the lore, but I hear that it's like brutal.
	Now's my time to shine.
	All of this lawyer stuff can go here.
	All of them are 40k.
	$40,000.
	No, I...
	He is actually great, Lord.
	I've got to give it to her.
	I hear it's brutal and awesome.
	Oh, it is.
	It is.
	I mean, there's no good person in 40k.
	Like, everybody's, like, the universe is just in a colossal war of xenophobia and basically space nationalism, which is a bunch of space racists who are waging genocidal war on everything that's not them.
	Oh, so it's things that are interesting?
	Yes.
	So you've got the heroes versus the villains.
	And it's just fucking fantastic.
	And it's so unapologetically bad and racist and evil.
	And heroes is the most cold, industrialized, institutionalized theocracy that you could possibly imagine, which goes completely counter to the entire narrative of the proposed theocrat.
	But he's sitting mostly dead on a throne, unable to communicate for 10,000 years.
	So they've just let kind of the church that developed in his disdain run things and decide how he would have decided to go.
	And it's the exact opposite.
	And it's so great.
	Like everything about it's funny.
	But also, not just funny, but it's, it's just like constitutionally anti-progressive, right?
	Everything about it is a flat repudiation of left-wing values, right?
	No, it's hierarchical.
	It's religious.
	It's deeply intolerant.
	You know, everything about it, I mean, like, I mean, that, and that is understating it, right?
	Calling it deeply intolerant is definitely understating the case.
	You can't help it.
	I feel like that kind of guarantees that there is no way in for progressives.
	They've been trying.
	They've been trying for fucking years.
	They've been trying for years.
	Carl, have you heard the rumor about what storyline it actually is?
	Go on.
	It's Eisenhorn.
	Oh, really?
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	See, now, see, okay, so I've got, I was discussing this with Arch Warhammer the other day, right?
	So really, right?
	No, you should go, you should go all in, right?
	Look, you're never going to have a better opportunity to do Warhammer 40,000, the Horus Heresy, the classic story, than having Amazon's money and Henry Cavill.
	You're never going to get that opportunity.
	Because let's be fair, is there ever going to be a better Emperor of Mankind?
	Oh, then you want Cavill to be Emperor?
	Of course.
	He'd be good at it.
	He'd be really good at it.
	He's the guy.
	Look at him.
	Look at the fucking guy.
	I know.
	Of course he's the guy.
	Where do you like Stark, guys?
	Well, great question.
	Where does he start, Nick?
	Okay, actually, the reason I'm pumped that it's Eisenhorn is because that's where I recommend everybody start.
	And here's the, when you get into 40K books, what you end up with is a lot of, we'll call it bolter porn.
	It's space marines with, they wield giant handheld chainsaws and chop everything up.
	And then these, they fire guns with like 40 millimeter bullets that go into stuff and then explode, which is hilarious.
	And it's great, but it gets kind of into this, like, it's just this constant war, which is the theme of the universe.
	But Eisenhorn is more of a detective story.
	It's about an inquisitor named Gregor Eisenhorn, and he goes through the hero, Puritan to anti-hero, to heretic sort of plot line.
	And it introduces you to a whole bunch of different elements of 40k beyond Space Marine, Space Marine, Space Marine.
	There are Space Marines in it, but there's also demons, there's heretics, there's other Inquisitors.
	There's his retinue is a cast of really interesting characters that are, you know, there's like a telekinetic chick who's an acrobat.
	There's a guy who's just an old, basically an old cop who's tough as fucking nails.
	There's Harlan Nale, who's a shady, shady motherfucker.
	It's just all of these different things.
	And it brings in so many good elements of the Grimdark fantasy while not being just overt bolter porn, even though I like that too.
	But there is actually a philosophical argument that underpins the overall structure of the Horus Heresy narrative that I actually think is good and meaningful and brings people into the broader concept of what the universe is.
	I'm with you.
	Just for Phil's benefit, right?
	To summarize a lot, right?
	Basically, the Emperor of Mankind is this kind of quasi-divine figure who goes on his own sort of atheist crusade, new atheist crusade, to destroy the concept of religion, right?
	He eventually does.
	Yeah, so only science and reason.
	And that's actually something that's kind of happening now with the left, right?
	So it's actually a philosophically pertinent story.
	And this was written like, you know, 30 years ago.
	And he ends up genetically engineering.
	So we've got the concept of like the new man, right?
	That man is a malleable thing that could just be molded and shaped as we want.
	Well, the emperor can do this, right?
	Because he's some sort of superhuman.
	And so he creates a bunch of genetic sons of his.
	So his superhuman DNA is imposed into these children, I guess we call them, that he calls Primarchs, right?
	And he uses these to create.
	They're all like nine-foot-tall gods of everything.
	They're hilarious.
	They're all perfectly charismatic.
	They're perfectly intelligent.
	So just to understand what they are, they're funny.
	They're demigods.
	They're like heroic, Homeric demigods, right?
	But the principle, the premise that it's based on is that the universe is purely material.
	It's just the material world.
	Mankind is just another material that can be used like anything else.
	And so the emperor goes on this conquest of the galaxy because the galaxy is old at this point.
	And so human beings have sort of settled in other places.
	It goes in this conquest.
	And the fundamental crux that underlies it is actually it's not just material.
	Actually, there are gods out there.
	There are evil chaos gods out there.
	And half of these primarchs essentially defect to the chaos gods because the emperor is living a lie.
	Fundamentally, this great, you know, godlike figure, like this superhuman figure, he's gone on this great crusade for a lie.
	And so he's not telling the truth.
	The entire thing is built on falsehood.
	And so his sons who are betraying him for these gods, really, they're just exposing the fraud on his part that ends up ends in a massive civil war, galactic-wide civil war, where a bunch of them die.
	The emperor himself is mortally wounded by one of his own sons, and he ends up on this life support system called the Golden Throne, which allows him to exist and operate in this immaterial part of the universe called the warp that they need to use to travel.
	Of sacrificing a thousand psychically active people a day to sustain him.
	It's a monstrous universe.
	It's so funny.
	Every day, right?
	Yeah, it's evil, right?
	But it's a giant galaxy.
	It's a giant galaxy.
	But the point is, that's the philosophical point that underpins it.
	It's like, look, actually, you know, the whole thing is built on fraud based on a kind of crusading conviction that wasn't founded in truth.
	And bringing the truth to him ends up kind of destroying all the things he was building.
	And so there's a genuine philosophical underpinning there that you're never going to get a better opportunity to properly express with a better actor, I think.
	And I mean it.
	It's going to be a wasted opportunity.
	I'm very skeptical about this.
	No, I don't.
	Look, do any of you guys know Henry Cavill's political leanings?
	He's obviously right-wing.
	Yeah, from the rumor mill and the recent hatred of him, right-wing.
	He doesn't have he, him, and his barbecue.
	Well, look, he's not on Twitter espousing his political views or anything.
	So could he be right-wing?
	I mean, maybe that's projected.
	Doesn't he have a custode's army?
	He's right-wing.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's exactly it.
	He has a custodian's army.
	He's a right-winger.
	But my point is that he's not, at the very least, he's not open about it, and he doesn't have anything to prove.
	So that's why I feel like the 40K series is actually going to be at least watchable.
	Unlike, say, you know, the Halo atrocity.
	Like, if you see, you know, if you, if you guys saw any of that or, you know, the rings of power or any of this bullshit.
	I forced myself to watch The Rings of Power and it was just so fucking embarrassing.
	I couldn't even billion dollars.
	No, no, there's a guy called a YouTuber called Just Some Guy, and he was doing these.
	He is, he totally underplays himself, but he's actually better than the Tolkien scholars that you hear.
	You know, they're like, oh, I'm we're Tolkien's closing about the queering of the shire.
	And he's just like, listen, like, no, no, no, they, the Tolkien society had a whole range of these, you know, the was Sarah Man trans and all this sort of bollocks, right?
	And it's just like, okay, this is just embarrassing.
	Yeah, but but he is someone who is just very committed to the law.
	He he clearly loves the world, he clearly loves the law.
	And so he, when he was doing video breakdowns of this, I've been watching his channel for years, but he's been doing these amazing breakdowns of Tolkien and he's just thrashing these people.
	You know, he's like, no, in this letter, he said this, in this part, he said this, and the summer and he says this.
	You're wrong on everything.
	And here are the receipts, right?
	And so he's done really well.
	And the reason I watched Rings of Power was just to be able to keep up with his videos because I was loving how he was giving this thrashing.
	And so I had to sit through Rings of Power just to understand how they were so wrong.
	And I is a great channel.
	Definitely check him out.
	Just some guy just to clarify.
	Yes, just some guy and I had a nice beef down a while back.
	But whatever I can say about him being a giant fucking communist, he is spot on on Lord of the Rings.
	He's like, he's he, that's where he should always be.
	He's great on Lord of the Rings.
	And yeah, if you have any interest in Tolkien's stuff, he is 100% fantastic.
	Whatever my own.
	I have no idea that you have a beef with him.
	He's just so good at Tolkien.
	It was so much fun, Carl.
	Oh, be nice.
	He seems like a really nice chap.
	Well, he got really mad at me because I was laughing and calling him a communist when he suggested.
	I was talking about the guys, the guy bought like 17,000 bottles of Purel during COVID, was selling them out of a trailer, and the government came and confiscated them.
	They're like, no, no price gouging on this stuff.
	And I'm like, no, what are you talking about?
	Like, price gouging is part of the capitalist system.
	It's just how it goes.
	You have limited supply.
	You have a massive amount of demand.
	That was created by a bunch of propaganda, by the way.
	But yeah, so then I asked him, I said, if I artificial scarcity, if I had a tree on my property that's my tree and the leaves cured cancer, should you have access to them?
	And he said, of course I should.
	And I was like, no, nope, not without my consent.
	If I want to burn that tree to the ground, it's mine.
	It's mine to burn.
	And so then we got a big argument.
	It was great.
	I recall hearing this story that came out of America.
	I can't remember where it was, but the local government had fined this guy for collecting rainwater in a bin.
	Yeah.
	Because there's a real bad drought in California.
	And so if you collect rainwater, it's preventing that water from getting into the ecosystem.
	Enemy of the state.
	Yeah.
	Yep.
	Yep.
	I hate it.
	But that was, I read that.
	I was fucking hot.
	Have you heard?
	Carl, I don't know the name of the case, but I'm sure that Nick knows the Supreme Court case where they found that the guy could not produce wheat for his own burn.
	Yeah.
	So straight on.
	It's one of the worst cases in American history.
	It created the Dormant Commerce Clause.
	It's why they passed Obamacare and thought it would pass.
	It was the entire reasoning of their argument for Obamacare in court.
	Remember that they tried to say that it was not a tax.
	The only thing that won was John Roberts saying it was a tax.
	That was the outside counsel they hired to make this one argument that they thought was a complete failure.
	But the whole idea was that it was under the dormant commerce clause.
	Basically, they put a limit on how much wheat you could grow.
	A guy grew extra wheat for himself and said, I'm not going to sell this in interstate commerce.
	So Congress can't regulate it.
	I'm going to just keep this for my own use.
	I'll make flour.
	I'll feed it to my cattle.
	And they said, no, since you made your own wheat, you're not going to buy someone else's wheat.
	Therefore, you are participating in commerce by not participating in commerce.
	Therefore, they burned his brain.
	That is the most offensive.
	I think that might be the most offensive Supreme Court decision that in the history.
	Well, that or maybe Dred Scott, but I mean Dred Scott's been overturned.
	Yeah, but that was still a bad decision, though, is what I mean.
	But that is probably the most offensive that currently stands.
	If you do or if you do not, we have the power.
	That is straight up in violation of the 10th Amendment.
	It literally gets to the point where they can force you to buy whatever they want in theory, because if you don't buy it, then you're not participating in commerce and they can regulate you into commerce, not just keep you out of it.
	It's crazy.
	Which was the argument for our healthcare system.
	They can say that you must participate.
	Well, Nick, that's so corrosive, man.
	I say that living in Britain.
	You know about the whole thing with Monsanto and how you're not supposed to reuse extra seeds and stuff like that.
	You want to explain that one?
	Basically, they created a technology.
	Their seeds are not supposed to germinate, right?
	Like they're not supposed to be producers.
	You're always supposed to have to go back to them for the production of the seeds.
	And it's basically an intellectual property argument that they have that you're using their seeds as part of a license agreement.
	I'm not a big fan of this.
	It also leads to really weird shit in other industries, like the auto industry, where BMW will give you heated seats, but you got to pay 45 bucks a month to turn them on.
	Like that, that stuff's crazy.
	And with Sony like locking out a PlayStation, if you do something to it, like if you, if you flash it or modify the operating system or something like that, to me, if you buy something and have it, it should be yours.
	And like, what, if I want to put different software or something else and wipe out your stupid intellectual property, that should be my choice, but you can't do that.
	And it's a big thing.
	A good guy who talks about something similar is like Louis Rossman, and he's big on the right to repair, which is another sort of byproduct of all this stuff.
	That's all intertwined in this weird mix of physical property versus intellectual property.
	And frankly, since America kind of invented the idea of intellectual property as a legally protected thing, we don't have a lot of common law to go like way back on it to really draw into.
	And so it's just a mess.
	And it's with technology, it's kind of coming full circle.
	And who knows how that's eventually going to turn out?
	But to me, if I have something, I don't care what you put into it.
	When I bought the goods, I bought all of your intellectual work.
	And as long as I'm not repeating the work somewhere else, like that, then I'm not violating your intellectual property rights.
	I mean, it just seems cut and dried, right?
	Yeah, it seems like it's already complicated.
	But it's not.
	Who knows what the actual result is.
	A bunch of board lawyers made it difficult.
	But morally, it seems pretty cut and dried, you know, as you pointed out.
	Yeah.
	So I have a friend that hung out with Henry Cavill a little bit, and she believes that he is a Republican.
	Obviously.
	I mean, look at that.
	He never genuinely told the left, right?
	That's the thing.
	Anyone who does is, you know, she's like, he's very down to earth and he rides horses.
	So you have to, you have to appreciate the fact that he's not like loud about his views because I don't care what I would like more right-wing voices.
	Well, I feel that way too.
	There's okay.
	Especially in Hollywood.
	Do you remember back in 2016 where Taylor Swift, who really wasn't political at all, she posted a picture, I think on Instagram where she was basically like, hey, today is election day, go vote.
	And all these people, like everybody on the left was just shocked that she hadn't endorsed Hillary Clinton, that she hadn't done this, she hadn't done that.
	And I defended her, and I was like, she wants to be a billionaire.
	Just like let her go.
	Like, she comes from country music, right?
	Maybe she doesn't want to alienate her pop fans who are probably on the left and her country fans who are probably on the right.
	Let her just make music and then become a billionaire.
	Who cares?
	Like, I was totally down for that.
	But then she was like, you need to vote for Claire McCaskill.
	I'm like, oh, Jesus Christ.
	And not to do the apology to her, to the industry.
	I mean, that's what happened.
	I mean, that's why we got you need to calm down.
	It's why we got all this bullshit coming out, all this highly politicized bullshit coming out of Taylor Swift right after that.
	She didn't bend the knee to the left.
	And even though she's clearly left-leaning, like that seems pretty obvious nowadays.
	It wasn't obvious then.
	She was trying to ride neutral, but neutrality in Hollywood is right.
	And if you're on the right, you better, you better.
	I mean, maybe she's drifted to the left since then because of the music.
	There's worm tongue in her ear, you know?
	It could be.
	Andrew, the music industry is that way, I promise.
	She's still Taylor Swift.
	Oh, God, she's the greatest.
	She's the best songwriter.
	In my opinion, I'm a professional.
	Like, she's the best songwriter going right now.
	And I say this all the time, and I'm going to get a little mouthy about it.
	You know what a Taylor Swift song is about, the very first line, and the chorus tells you the whole story.
	And the pre-chorus and the verses only make it better.
	You are invested right away.
	She can write lyrics and lines like nobody else.
	And they all come off as very personal, even the stuff that she works with other people on.
	Yeah, she's very evocative in her lyrics and she brings you into moments, even moments that you would have never experienced as men.
	A lot of us would not know what it's like growing up as a teenage girl.
	Some men might, but no, she brings you into these things and evokes these scenes that are built.
	She's a really good songwriter.
	But with that, I own Taylor Swift albums.
	Oh, like you have black friends.
	Oh my goodness.
	I don't own Taylor Swift albums.
	I can only think of a couple of songs, but I don't dislike them.
	No, no, I just, I just hate her politically.
	Like, you know, I just like, but I'm, but I've really come to the, you know, I've been able to at least try and separate that because Phil, you're right.
	She is a great songwriter.
	You know, and then she, you know, who she wrote with from the national, the band, the national.
	I'm not heard of him.
	I totally feel this way about Rachel.
	I don't expect you to know.
	No, no, I'm traditional.
	I've never, I don't know who the national is.
	No.
	But who she wrote folklore with?
	Hold on.
	Wait, are you talking about the song Exile?
	Exile is a good fucking song.
	That's a lot of good songs, man.
	Folklore is a good album.
	With that very breaded take of mine about Taylor Swift and how much I closetedly love her music, I do need to go.
	I got to pop off the stream.
	But gentlemen, it has been an absolute pleasure.
	I have enjoyed meeting you in the internet for the first time.
	Yeah, man.
	Hit me up.
	Let's talk some more.
	I'll tell you all about 40K and you can tell me all about writing metal music.
	I would love to hear more about 40K.
	I'm extremely interested.
	Phil, I'm going to send you.
	I'm going to DM you something on Twitter.
	Carl, I'm going to talk to you.
	I'm not going anywhere.
	I'm going to bother the shit out of you now that we're friends.
	Oh, listen.
	But no, no, no.
	before you go nick astartes the oh the short the animation yes oh it's so good on a scale of like you know one to ten where are we on how how visually descriptive this is about the 40k universe there's there's effectively zero dialogue i think and it is uh it is stunningly stunningly good captivating yeah have you seen the preview for the new i'm i'm I'm on the fence on this,
	but have you seen the preview for the new Primaris Nexus animated show, the Sisters of Battle animated show that's coming out?
	Yeah, I watched it very, I think I was in bed or something.
	I was half awake and I was watching it.
	It looked okay.
	I wonder if the Astartes guy, because they poached him.
	James Workshop hired him.
	And I wonder if he's involved in that in that project.
	But Astartes, like, yeah, that series of shorts was so damn good.
	When you realize like one guy did all that, you're like, oh, there's hope for the world.
	Incredible, incredible stuff.
	But yeah, I've DM'd it to you.
	So after the stream, man, you've got to watch it.
	It's so good.
	But right, yeah, Nick, dude, thanks for joining me, man.
	My pleasure.
	Thanks for inviting me.
	And we got to talk.
	We got to do painting streams soon.
	Yes, we do.
	I'm currently in the middle of doing some Centurion Devastators.
	Nice.
	So they've got to be done, man.
	They're fucking massive.
	They take forever to paint.
	So we've got to do a painting stream with ours.
	My wife is very high quality work on those, Carl, huh?
	Well, thank you very much.
	I work really hard on them.
	Yeah.
	Well, you know, I actually, Nick, I didn't know you were like a Warhammer guy.
	I went to go to like the comic book store and I passed like all the Warhammer stuff.
	I always think of Carl and now I'm going to think of you too.
	Yeah, man.
	You know, the nerds and their little stuff.
	So yeah, like I said, that's all just special edition Warhammer novels.
	It's funny.
	I saw like law books this whole time.
	Yeah, they look like law books, don't they?
	The law books are all on the red covers.
	If you ever see law books in the background of someone's video, now they probably bought them off of a law firm and they're from like 1985.
	It's all decorative.
	They're decorations now.
	I think Barnes is the only guy that can get away with it.
	He didn't have many law books in his tiny little window.
	His are all 40k as well, man.
	Every lawyer now.
	Barnes doesn't play Tao.
	No, Barnes wouldn't play fucking Tao.
	Nobody should.
	Jesus Christ.
	All right, guys.
	It's been a pleasure.
	Happy New Year to you all.
	Tappy New Year.
	We'll talk soon.
	Take care, man.
	Peace.
	What is your shirt, by the way, Carl?
	Mine.
	It's this old free Hong Kong shirt I had from years ago because for some reason Britain was just like, yeah, we'll give Hong Kong over to the Chinese Communist Party.
	Why not?
	2020 12.
	Yeah, well, it's fucking shit.
	But no, speaking of like, you know, separating the art from the artist, man, I've been like, I went back and listened to basically like music from my childhood, right?
	So I went back through like, you know, music that my parents had listened to in the 80s and then what I listened to in the 90s and then what like generally was quite popular in the 2000s.
	And man, I actually kind of hate all of it now.
	Like all of the messaging is terrible.
	All of the messaging is like really left-wing and offensively left-wing.
	And I didn't even think about it when I was listening to it.
	Like who?
	Like anyone.
	Like take Green Day, for example.
	Green Day, like you can see the radicalization of Green Day through their story, through their songs.
	Like if you look at like the, I can't remember the name of the first album they did, but I had that.
	And then obviously Dookie and basically it's like these bored lost teenage lads, right?
	It's like, okay, fine, fair enough.
	You know, these bored guys at the end of history who are just wanking all day and smoking weed.
	Fair enough.
	But then it starts getting like radical where they're like they go through the American idiot phase where it's okay now America's shit, right?
	America's a desolate wasteland of culture.
	And then after that, it starts getting really fucking radical.
	And it's just like, okay, so you've arrived at the rage against the machine position at this point, where you're like literally calling for a revolution and saying that, hey, you know, know your enemy and stuff like this.
	And it's like, what the hell is wrong with you people?
	And I really like the music.
	But the messaging is fucking atrocious.
	Am I the only one who thinks this or what?
	I mean, like.
	I got into a big old beef with people before because I called Tom Morello a communist.
	I said, yeah, I know.
	People were like, oh, blah, blah, blah.
	I'm like, look, he says he's a communist.
	But this happened in like 2012.
	So it wasn't quite as in vogue to be a communist back then.
	Right, right.
	So being a communist was an insult then.
	Yeah.
	So it's like, and I mean, to me, when I say it, I still intend it to be an insult.
	But I mean, like back then, they were like, you know, oh, you can't say that here.
	Or he's not.
	Or, you know, he, he has a star, but he's never blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	And mostly all they did is say that he's smart because he went to Harvard and I'm dumb because I didn't.
	And I'm just like, George Bush went.
	But it's very, very normal for politics to have been left-leaning through the 90s and aughts and stuff.
	It has become where your politics must be left-leaning or you will face significant resistance.
	When it became clear that I was not going to bend my knee, there were people that would tell my management, we're not going to talk to him, you know, because I did not have the right politics.
	When I went on Alex Jones, I went on InfoWars and Milo was actually doing the hosting at the time.
	And some of the dudes from the metal, some, some metal blogs were tweeting at my label, trying to get me, trying to get our band dropped from the label.
	And this is in 2016.
	Yeah.
	You know, and this is someone that, and again, it's from a metal.
	The whole council culture really took hold, right?
	Yeah.
	And I was, so I was like, I can't believe that there's a, and they'd had it in for me for years anyway.
	So that's, it's been a normal thing.
	If you are not, if you're not sufficiently left or you're openly not left anti-left, because I'm not particularly right-wing aside from the fact that, or at least not in an American context.
	So, you know, they, they don't like it if you're not, if you're not sufficiently left and there will be attacks and stuff.
	It's not, it hasn't always been ubiquitous.
	I don't think that all that remains would have gotten off the ground, you know, 20 years ago when we started, but I don't think we'd have gotten off the ground if it was that way back then.
	But by 2016, 17, you knew real clearly the music industry was like that.
	How quickly did that happen, do you think?
	Yeah, right.
	So in 2006, we released a record called The Fall of Ideals.
	And that was like the big one that put us on the map.
	And I named it that because I had no way to articulate because I didn't study.
	I didn't go to, you know, I didn't study any sociology.
	I hadn't gone to taking any humanities classes and I didn't go to college and stuff.
	So I didn't have any way to articulate what I was experiencing.
	But I noticed that the things that made the United States, the United States, had stopped being cool.
	It had become out of fashion.
	And it was just me smelling, right?
	It wasn't like, it wasn't like I have this thing that I know and blah, blah, blah.
	I was just like, it seems like these things aren't what people dig anymore.
	And it felt like it was like the idea that, you know, the freedom of speech and stuff like that and exchanging ideas and things that had always been associated with liberalism.
	They just didn't seem as in vogue.
	Definitely things that were associated with the founding of the US.
	They just didn't have that same kind of ring.
	And that's what I meant when I called it the fall of ideals or came up with that title.
	And then by, you know, within five years, you started to really, really see it.
	And that was, you know, I think cell phones being in everyone's pocket was a big part of that.
	I've read Jonathan Heights work and stuff.
	And I think that he's on to something with that definitely.
	But I think that it was something that was brewing in the aughts and it really started to take hold when the internet became a part of everyone's daily life, which I didn't, I don't think that even there, even though computers and the internet were out there and you could get on the internet, I don't think that you actually became really connected the way that we are now until the cell phone was in your pocket and you were always getting vibrations and notifications.
	Yeah.
	So I think that that, well, not just social media.
	And I want to push back on that just because like MySpace wasn't like that.
	And Facebook wasn't like that until the phone was in your pocket, letting you know.
	Remember, Height was talking about the like button and the retweet button on Twitter became part of why things went viral or on Facebook and stuff.
	And sharing became part of why things went viral.
	And I think that it's, it is the internet and social media, but I think it's the fact that it is connected to us constantly.
	There is never a time.
	Like I am so guilty of it.
	I wake up in the morning and the very first thing that I do is I grab my phone.
	You know, I do it too.
	I will literally grab my phone to look around my room from the light if I wake up and it's dark to see where the dog is.
	You know, that kind of stuff.
	So I'm super guilty of it.
	But I really think that the cell phone in your pocket and the like button and those things have had a really, really massive impact on society.
	So that's my two cents about it.
	Getting back to bands, are there any own?
	Well, don't you think you're like the musician guy and you're like, you should talk, you should be excited about talking about bands?
	I mean, I think that I think that the reason, honestly, the reason that I'm, the reason that I'm a musician is the reason that I'm not a guitar player in the band, because I play guitar and I can play a little piano and stuff.
	The reason I don't play music in the band is because I am a storyteller.
	And all of all that remains lyrics are about things that have happened in my life.
	And I'm telling stories, I'm relating stories.
	So I can play music and I can communicate with other musicians.
	But I watch a lot of YouTube videos because I like a lot of philosophy.
	And that's because I'm curious about the human condition and I write about things that I can understand and relate to.
	And I'm a storyteller more than far, I'm a far better storyteller than I am a musician.
	So what do you think of Tom McDonald?
	I think that Tom McDonald serves a good purpose.
	I think that he is counterculture when there needs to be counterculture.
	I don't always agree with Tom, but I do like that he just is out there as counterculture.
	Same thing with Bryson, Bryson Gray, the rapper that was on Tim Poole's channel recently.
	And he's got some really, really great stuff, but very, very Republican MAGA guy.
	Personally, I'm not, I don't find it super compelling.
	I think it's well done.
	Well, I think it's very competitive.
	It's well done music.
	I don't find it compelling because I'm not really a MAGA guy, but I do think that it's good that he's out there.
	I think anytime there's anytime you have artists that are out pushing back against whatever the predominant narrative is, that's a good thing, I think.
	Well, with Bryson, what impresses me about him is that he can get stuff out.
	Like there's something that happens in the news And he gets something out like pretty, pretty fast.
	And not just something throwaway.
	It's well done.
	I bet he's got the music for the songs, the beats.
	He would just call them beats.
	It would be a song with the music and stuff.
	He's probably got beats for days that people have provided for him.
	And all he has to do is write a really good rap.
	And he's really talented writing raps.
	So he's already got the beats ready.
	So something happens.
	He feels inspired, writes a rap, and he just bangs it out that day.
	I mean, to be honest with you, the vocal production that's necessary on a rap song is not significant.
	So you could do that.
	As soon as he gets it down, like I said, I think he's talented and he's good at what he does.
	So he probably takes half an hour to an hour to bang a song out once he's got the lyrics down, you know?
	So he's probably got a really, really, you know, a really solid foundation set up for getting content out quickly, which is why I think that he has songs kind of on deck and ready to go once a topic is hot and he comes up with it.
	There's nothing wrong with prepping.
	Oh, no.
	No, no.
	Nothing wrong with being professional about it.
	I mean, I personally have a couple of riffs on deck for if there's times where guys are like, hey, we need riffs or whatever.
	So I know.
	Now, Carl, are there any bands that are political that you can kind of tolerate or you can look past their Raging East Machine is the primary one.
	I fucking love it.
	It's weird, right?
	Because the thing with Raging Instant Machine is you can see how success cripples an artist and how art comes from adversity.
	Because their first album, before they were famous, before they had all this money, before they had all this success, is like liquid gold.
	It's like they made a fucking deal with Satan himself.
	Every single track on the album isn't just good.
	It isn't just listenable.
	It is a fucking explosion.
	Yep.
	Everything on it is just, it's original.
	It's instantly catchy.
	It is fearsome, you know, and yet the political messaging is pure communism.
	And it's like, fuck, you know, everything about it is just raw community.
	And this is why it sounds like a deal with the devil to me.
	Like, Satan's like, listen, listen, I will give you ungodly musical talent.
	I'll make you legends, but you have to promote evil.
	That's it.
	And they're like, yeah, okay, fair enough.
	We'll sign.
	Yeah, we'll sign on.
	And so, like, I mean, just you could go through every single fucking track, you know, Killing the Name, Bomb Track, you know, all of them.
	All of them are just fucking gold.
	And I remember when I was young in all the nightclubs.
	How old were you when that came out, Carl?
	Oh, let me chat.
	I can't remember what year it came out.
	I want to say like 92 or 93.
	I'm just going to have to look that up.
	I can't remember.
	It's probably around then, you know, like 92, it looks like.
	So I was only like 12 or 13 when I came out.
	It was when I was about, it was about five years later that I really sort of got to know Razing Machine because it was in nightclubs, right?
	And you go out to nightclubs and you just enjoy it when you're getting drunk.
	And it was so good.
	But it was just like, I can't, I can't get past it now because back then I didn't care.
	I was kind of left wing and I just didn't give a shit, right?
	But now I'm just like, and I'm listening.
	I'll put it on if I'm going to have a shower or something.
	I'm listening.
	I'm like, I'm singing the lyrics, but I hate everything about this one song that's like destroy all nations, destroy all nations.
	It's like, God, that's the worst thing I can imagine you saying.
	Destroy all nations?
	Are you mad?
	Like literally, nuke every destroy every nation on the planet.
	It's like that's so awful.
	Get rid of all borders has to be universal communism.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	And it's the, and I was 17 when I heard that.
	And that came out and I would, it tore through high school.
	Yeah.
	Like I could not explain because I was into heavy music at the time.
	I was in death metal and stuff that was very extreme.
	And then I heard this.
	And a lot of the thrash bands were doing like crossover stuff.
	Like you had anthrax doing stuff with Public Enemy and that was super cool.
	And that was actually, that was actually really the them.
	And like you had like Biohazard was another band doing like the hardcore rapping with metal.
	And that was really, I think that, even though people don't really think about it much, I think that was the very, very, that was planting the seeds for what became Metal Core.
	If you know what Metal Core, Metal, it was a mix of metal and hardcore that kind of came out of New England and Southern California in the late 90s, early aughts, right?
	And that was, that kind of stuff was really what was laying the foundation.
	Like Rage Against the Machine, Biohazard, these bands that were kind of rap mixed with hardcore and metal.
	And it was, it was like pure adrenaline shot into, you know, 16, 17-year-old kids, you know, just ready to go.
	And it was like, fuck, yeah, it was awesome.
	Awesome.
	Awesome.
	Like nothing we'd ever heard.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I'm just looking now on Wikipedia, right?
	Like, it's got Shea Guevara on the fucking front of the bomb track.
	Yeah.
	Like, oh, fucking, how did I not know?
	How did I not know?
	I had no idea how horrible the people that they held up in the Steam scene.
	And even the cover of the first one, the Tibetan monk that's sitting on fire.
	Like, how powerful?
	How powerful, right?
	You know?
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	Like, and it is so subversive and so seductive in the power of the music, the quality of the songs.
	Like, look, like, there's a part of me that thinks, I shouldn't let my children listen to this.
	You know, there's a, there's a part of me that thinks, no, they shouldn't hear this.
	But obviously, there's another part of me that's like, well, hang on a second.
	That's, that's, you know, like, I can deal with it when I was a kid.
	So exactly, they can deal with it.
	And, you know, I make it much more interesting than it needs to be for them if I do stuff like that as well.
	You know, it's essentially saying, well, look, here's the thing I want you to look at by saying you're not allowed to look at it.
	Right.
	And so, you know, but I can't believe the boomers weren't like, hang on a second, destroy all nations, communism now.
	Is this really what we want our kids to listen to?
	And they probably were.
	They were worried about Satanism.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, they were.
	Yeah.
	That was the problem.
	Yeah.
	Believe me, they were what my mom, my mom, and I, me and my mom have a wonderful relationship as an adult.
	I love, I'm great friends with her.
	I love her to death.
	When, when I was growing up, she would, she would not let me listen to Judas Priest because it was the whole backwards message stuff.
	She heard the stuff from court and she believed.
	She's like, I heard that man say, do it.
	I don't want you to listen to them.
	I heard.
	And I'm like, mom, come on.
	And this is, you know, and I'm a metalhead.
	So I'm in the Iron Maiden.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I mean, did the case for you.
	Yeah, you know, like, and I mean, I'm such a, dude, so much metal that I was into came from from the UK priest, Iron Man, so much stuff is huge, right?
	And, you know, my mom was worried about that.
	She had no idea because honestly, I don't think America knew about, I feel like the boomers forgot about the subversive nature of communism.
	You know, it's like they, it's like the 60s happened and the radicals did go into the academy and then everyone else just stopped paying attention.
	Where it's like, oh, the communists must have disappeared.
	They just vanished.
	Yeah, the Soviet Union's gone.
	The communists are over, right?
	And it's like, I think they viewed communism as hard power, you know, in the Soviet Union.
	And so they just didn't think about it.
	It's like, no, they're everywhere, actually.
	I think that they didn't realize.
	I think that most people in the U.S. that were, because the U.S. is considered a center-right country.
	And I personally think that that's because of the fact that most people accept the idea of property and accept the idea of the individual as important.
	And I think that's becoming less and less, but I do think that that was kind of the state of affairs in the early aught up to the early aughts, maybe the very beginning of the teens.
	And I think that those things have changed since.
	Well, you know, you guys talk, like, I'm Rage Against Machine was never my thing.
	Like, I was more of a quicksand guy.
	Oh, okay.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	But, but as far as like bands that, like, I, I can't really stand the political message, but like, I love like Radiohead.
	Do they, are they political?
	I'm not familiar with their.
	I'm familiar with Radiohead's music, but I didn't realize.
	Are they political?
	Yeah, very, yeah, like, very, okay, very anti-capitalism, very, you know, just very neoliberal, pretty much.
	I mean, yeah, neoliberal, actual neolibs, like shit libs or like leftists.
	Probably because to me, liberal is not.
	Okay, so just because, and I want to make a distinction.
	I think of things liberal.
	Yeah, I think of things in more of an international way.
	Like if you, if you are a leftist, then you're, you're not a liberal, right?
	You're everyone, most people in America are liberals.
	Conservatives in America are liberals.
	They are trying to conserve liberalism.
	They're, I wouldn't say that they're like super leftist, but they're, you know, destroying capitalism is pretty leftist.
	Yeah.
	Otherwise, I mean, it's, it's, it's either capitalism or you're foraging, you know, or the state's paying for everything.
	So like, but I, I love them to death.
	But but yeah, like just sometimes to, you know, like you sit there and you, you see the, you see the lyrics on Apple music pop up and you're like, Jesus Christ, what am I, what am I listening to?
	Like, I feel guilty, you know, at least with, like, say, like, you know, Porto's Head.
	You know, they're not.
	I wouldn't say they're, I would, I don't, I don't really get that they're political.
	I know, I'm sure they are, but I don't, it's not as obvious to me, at least.
	So how people in the chat were asking, what about red hot chili peppers?
	Musically?
	Why?
	Politically.
	Personally, that's this is a personal opinion.
	Yeah.
	But musically, I'm not a Red Hot Chili Peppers fan.
	I don't want to dog them or whatever, but they're not my cup of tea.
	What about you, Andrew?
	You know, I only know like their earlier albums.
	So like, I don't really, like, I could, I couldn't even, I don't even know.
	I don't even have an opinion, honestly.
	So I'm not like a Red Hot Chili Peppers fan, as it were, but throughout the course of my life, I've heard a lot of Red Hot Chili Peppers music.
	And the song Californication, I actually think is kind of prescient and it's got this kind of skepticism in California about Californian culture.
	And when was this?
	When was it written?
	Let me just check.
	It's not a new.
	Yeah, so what, 1999?
	Jesus, that's a long time ago.
	God, that's making me feel really old.
	I didn't realize that it was prevalent in the Enron documentary.
	Oh my God.
	Say what, sorry?
	Yeah, the songs in there.
	Oh, right.
	Okay, Jesus.
	But the, I was listening to it the other day, and the lyrics of it are actually kind of insightful.
	There's a particular one, it's understood that Hollywood sells Californication, right?
	And it's like, you know, that is true that we are like, there's a cultural industrial complex from California that is Californianizing the world.
	I love that phrase.
	Right.
	Cultural industrial.
	That's really good.
	I'd never, I mean, I'm sure you've probably used it before, but I like that.
	Go ahead.
	No, no, I just made it up because it seems like that's what it is, right?
	Yeah.
	The first lines from Californication.
	Psychic spies from China try to steal your mind's elation.
	And in Sweden dream of silver screen quotation.
	And if you want these kind of dreams, it's Californication.
	Isn't that interesting?
	Right?
	And that's very skeptical about what California is as an entity and as a sort of cultural touchstone.
	And then it goes on about like surgeons talking about aging and stuff like this.
	And like, look at Madonna now, right?
	Like, and so it's, it's, it's kind of a warning, right?
	It's like, look, what California is going to do to everyone is actually not very good for them on a human level.
	You know, born and raised by those who praise control of population.
	That's a lyric.
	That's a line from the song.
	It's like.
	Who wrote it?
	Who are the writers?
	Anthony Keydis, Chad Gaylord Smith, just the guys from these.
	Yeah, the guys from the band.
	But it's a very, you know, interestingly skeptical song of what California is doing to the world and also kind of prescient, right?
	Because I mean, that was back in 1999 when we didn't have any of the problems that we have now.
	And yet, like, where does the sort of pop culture go?
	Well, it's wherever Hollywood takes it, wherever California takes it, right?
	And all of these things are located in California that we are currently struggling with as the broadcast mechanism of the message is California.
	And so it's just very interesting how they seem to have seen this coming from a long time ago.
	And so, like I said, I'm not a big fan of the bandering thing.
	It's not that I don't like them either.
	Like, they're just not my taste.
	I wonder what they would, if how they would reflect on those lyrics today.
	Like, what would Anthony Keatis say about this conversation?
	I would love to hear his opinion.
	But yeah, so like, and there have been a few other bands as well.
	I can't think of any off the top of my head, but this is one of those things where it's like, when I hear the song, I'm just like, yeah, that is a strangely skeptical position from a band that I would have thought would have just been pro all of this.
	I can't think of any good examples.
	I think skepticism was more prevalent.
	And I so I say skepticism, and I feel like the skepticism that is today is of a different variety than it was in the 90s.
	And it had, or maybe it's just that there is a different quality to skeptics today or about surrounding skepticism of messages and narratives and stuff.
	I mean, I'm having a hard time articulating it, but I do feel like there is a different quality today about skepticism than there was in the 90s.
	Well, it's dogmatic now, right?
	Yeah.
	It's dogmatic.
	When we were young men, you know, it wasn't, the atmosphere just wasn't like this.
	You know, it wasn't, there wasn't actually a like, it's not really skepticism.
	What it is, is, I don't want to say subversion, but there's an active power that's attempting to overthrow things.
	That's what's happening now.
	But that wasn't present in the 90s, or at least it wasn't noticeably present.
	You know, it wasn't powerful.
	Didn't.
	It definitely didn't feel like like it felt like America was, would acknowledge its problems, but or and I say America because that was kind of where the cultural, you know like you were talking about um, also in Britain.
	Also in Britain, we had a similar sort of cultural complex, you know.
	So it's like liberalism then, or liberal countries yeah yeah, I feel like they didn't hate themselves.
	I feel like, because of so many, so many leftists, I feel like the leftist and everyone knows that leftists absolutely detest liberals because they don't go far enough.
	Scratch a liberal, a fascist bleed.
	Liberals get the bullet too.
	Blah blah, blah.
	That's how the leftists feel about the liberals.
	So I feel like liberal.
	It was still okay to be liberal and now everybody hates liberals right, like leftists hate liberals.
	Conservatives don't like Rush Limba, ruin that word like hates the and, to be honest with the conservatives, hate the liberals because they're really shit libs.
	They're shitty liberals.
	They're like liberals.
	That with authoritarian, like all the bad things about authoritarian people yeah yeah, they're illiberal liberals.
	So I feel like the liberals in the 90s have have gone silent and and are allowing the, the more authoritarian and and left-leaning forces and or opinions of today uh, silence them, and I think partially because the the, because Gen X is a little more, go your own way and let people live the way they want to live.
	And uh, also partially because the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
	And I think that it's still a minority of actual leftists that just make the most noise.
	But yeah, I mean, if you do, you think these old school liberals uh, they're just being it's, it's not they, they're just being drowned out completely, you know, because they aren't the loudest voices and they're just kind of like, why even bother?
	Because I mean partially, but look at the cost yeah, why should they stand up?
	And there are lots of people like this helping them in any way?
	Not, not really.
	I mean, they're just, you know, not everybody agrees obviously with, with the far left, but they are the loudest and if you do argue with them, then suddenly you're you're, then you get called all the names like, if you are, if you push back on with anyone talking to anyone, you push back against uh, any of the policy proposals that come from the left, and the first response is that there is.
	It is an ad hominem attack on you and your character, not the, the policy that's being proposed or your argument against the policy.
	None of that matters at all to the left, because to the left there is no truth, it's only power.
	So they use what of what arguments are the most effective?
	And most people in in western societies are terrified of being called racist.
	Because no, this this is the point right, this is the point is because the liberals genuinely weren't racist, you know, they genuinely weren't.
	Like you know, when we were growing up, they genuinely you it was.
	It was wrong to bring up a person's race.
	I mean, what relevance did it have to anything?
	Right, and I think I still believe it is.
	You know, the only time it was okay is when bants.
	Well Yeah, yeah, and your friends.
	And even then, it was really only to make the point that it was wrong.
	You know, you were making a joke at your own expense, you know.
	But the problem is that the liberals have been totally whipped by the left because the left, whenever every allegation of racism is essentially a form of psychoanalysis against the liberal, right?
	It's essentially say, look, I can see into your soul and I can see you're a person, right?
	And so the liberals are totally vulnerable to this because they weren't racist, you know?
	And so they're like, oh, God, no, really.
	I'm I bad.
	And the left, being disingenuous as they are, they can't see into your soul.
	They don't know that you're a bad person.
	There's no reason that you can't stand by your own convictions and say, no, I said this for this reason.
	And it's not because I hate black people or Mexicans or whatever, right?
	But they don't care.
	And so they tell you that they know that you're bad in some way that they are not.
	And they've got you on the hook because you're a liberal and you're like, no, but I am against racism.
	I support civil rights and all that sort of thing.
	And so you're totally on the hook.
	So you're in a paradigm that they are now controlling every move you can make.
	And that's it.
	So you just get smaller and smaller and smaller.
	And so even the, you know, like you say, there's a huge social penalty for all this.
	And this is what basically happened to the skeptic community is like they weren't prepared to pay the social cost.
	And so they kind of collapsed in on themselves.
	And that's why they'll hate me now because I was like, no, I give a fuck about something.
	I'm too much of a dick.
	But like they're not, they weren't bad people and they weren't racist, but they didn't have the fortitude to stand up against the psychoanalysis of the left that was boxing them in and squashing them.
	I got that really hard because I said the F-slur.
	I called someone the F-slur one time and there was a massive blah, blah, blah.
	And the person that I called, like, it wasn't a gay person.
	I wasn't calling them, like, but it was, it was, oh, you must be a homophobe.
	And I'm like, hold on.
	Because I said that does not mean that I am.
	And I refused to give in because I heard Ben Shapiro talking, you never ever admit, because if you would, if you say you're sorry, you're admitting that a reasonable person would say you are this.
	And so if you just say, I completely reject the idea that a reasonable person must make this assumption.
	So I'm not going to say you're sorry, or I'm not going to say I'm sorry.
	They will flip out, but they have nothing beyond that.
	But also an apology.
	Just never tell them you're sorry.
	But if you apologize, then not only are you confirming you were in the wrong, but you're also confirming that their psychoanalysis was correct.
	Yes.
	Right.
	Oh, no, I could see into your soul and you are actually a racist.
	Your intent wasn't there.
	Because like you say, you know, we like, you know, again, in the 90s, we could speak freely and we could inform the words we wanted to use with the intent that we personally intended rather than the intent someone else might perceive maliciously or not, right?
	And so, you know, we would exactly call it in school.
	Oh, my God, we call each other all sorts of names under the sun.
	But we always knew that the intent was really just to wind the other person up, not to try and be, you know, racially condescending.
	Or like demoralize them.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	And they knew it.
	You know, you could see, you could tell by the tone of voice and the way that was delivered.
	And they would call you something back.
	And it was actually a way of confirming bonds of friendship and not actually breaking them, you know?
	And so, and now the paradigm, because everyone's like, oh, I'm not of this thing, then actually you said this thing before, therefore I can psychoanalyze you and say you are this thing.
	And now, oh, God, oh, God, we're all in retreat.
	And, oh, I'm so sorry.
	I'm so sorry.
	No, no, get fucked.
	Get fucked.
	And I knew it.
	Once you've done something, once you've like, if even if you say you're sorry, that is no guarantee that in two years, five years, they're not, someone's not going to be like, oh, remember when you blah, blah, blah.
	So why if anything, it's going to guarantee that it's going to be used against you more because the other people who've watched the amount of struggle sessions, someone in the chat say, the other people in the other people have watched will be like, he is susceptible to this.
	Yeah.
	You know, he will collapse if I attack him in this way.
	It's like, no, I won't.
	Fuck off.
	Same, same thing.
	You know, you can't like the Dr. Oz.
	Slayer's right wing.
	Sorry, the chat, I saw that earlier.
	Slayer's a right, a right, probably a right-wing band.
	Go ahead.
	Yeah, I'd attest to that.
	Sure.
	But with the Dr. Oz campaign, like somebody came out and made fun of John Fetterman, like in the campaign.
	And everybody's like, oh, Dr. Oz, you need to apologize for your campaign guy.
	And he didn't, right?
	He was basically like, well, I've never made fun of his stroke.
	And then somebody came out and said, well, there were members of John Fetterman's team that were saying the F word, you know, like the F slur.
	And, you know, like, nobody said, oh, you need to, they need to apologize for that.
	First of all, all it, all it says is that these people are like members on Xbox Live.
	That's all it means.
	You know, like, who cares?
	I, I, I probably said that thing like a billion times, but you know, not again, not to demoralize anybody, but it's, there's like a Louis C.K. bit where he basically says that, you know, it's just fun to say.
	Yeah.
	I mean, context matters.
	Yeah, it really matters.
	South Carolina made a whole episode on it.
	In the N-word, it's like he wasn't, it was in the middle of a video of a video game, and he was saying he was saying it to be not even shocking, you know, like who cares?
	Well, they admit they admit context matters as well.
	Because if it didn't matter, then they'd be censoring every black person off the internet, right?
	Right.
	Because the context is it's a black person saying the n-word and therefore, oh, it's fine.
	No, no, no, no.
	If context doesn't matter, they've all got, they've all got to be censored.
	Or if it does matter, stop bringing it up about when I say it to like some Nazis or something, right?
	Or when, or when like Kendrick Lamar is on stage and he brings somebody up and it's like, hey, sing this song, you know, like, oh, God, that was evil.
	And they're like, evil.
	Ooh, it's like, it's your song.
	Yeah.
	You know?
	Yeah.
	I just just unreal, like, you know, like these little got you moments.
	That's all it is.
	It's all about power because, like Carl says, is content.
	Everyone knows that context matters.
	And everyone, and you know, they know because everyone acts that behavior out.
	They can't deny it because they literally are acting it.
	So it's obvious that context does matter.
	So when they vocally assert that context does not matter, you actually can safely ignore them.
	I mean, you can, I mean, I'll go ahead and I'll just be vulgar and, you know, fill their timeline with garbage.
	But, um, but yeah, like you don't have to entertain what they're saying and they have no power.
	You know, hey, can we talk quickly about so you know, you said, Philip, you're argumentative on Twitter.
	I mean, you know, sometimes I'm not.
	I love the confrontation on Twitter.
	I love it because, you know, like you, I was so excited, like, oh, hey, I got the invite for Truth Social.
	There's no engagement there.
	There's no engagement on Getter.
	There's no engagement on, you know, and all these people going, I'm going to Mastodon.
	Like, he'll be back.
	You'll be back because it's, it's, it's just a bubble.
	And you know, I'm they're also boomers and they're never going to figure Mastodon out.
	Mastodon's not easy.
	Oh, post, we'll go.
	I'll go to post.
	No, you're not.
	You'll be back.
	Also, aren't those sites actually full of Nazis who got censored from the other platforms?
	The other ones are, I don't think post is, but but like, I know that Gad is.
	I've got a friend who sends me stuff from post, and he only sends me stuff that's like he'll send me a spicy meme, and then it's just like you know, swastika avatars on either.
	And I'm like, you gotta be kidding me, no way.
	Well, there's a reason I don't use that site, right?
	It's like now I won't go and see if it's true, but like it just like there seems to be like these seems to be places that they can go.
	So, um, you know, fair enough, you know, whatever, I don't care.
	But like, these don't seem to be the safe spaces that they're looking for.
	No, and also they don't, they don't get the engagement either.
	Uh, you know, like they, you know, all these journalists that that kind of, you know, they need Twitter to be able to drive traffic to their shit think pieces.
	But also, politicians aren't on Mastodon or Post or wherever.
	You know, the people they want to post, repo, uh, repost or read Mastodon or whatever the fuck it is.
	You know, the people they want to influence aren't on these sites, right?
	Right.
	You know, and the mindset, you know, there's one thing preaching to the choir, but you need to convert new people to your cause.
	It's just moving to Canada if Trump gets elected.
	It's like, you know, oh, if he advises it, I'm moving to Canada or whatever.
	You know, it's the same impulse, you know, but not to Mexico, right?
	That's weird.
	Yeah.
	It was so dumb.
	No, no, but you're right.
	It's totally that impulse.
	You are totally right.
	It's exactly an impulse.
	Yeah.
	And I don't see them going anywhere at all.
	No, they're not.
	Listen, guys, I really appreciate the invite.
	And Carl, now we're friends, so I'm going to fucking annoy the shit out of you.
	I'm going to go, Carl, let's talk about philosophy.
	Tell me about 40K.
	What are you doing?
	Well, I was going to say, it's gone three o'clock here, so I probably have to end the stream because I'm shattered.
	Okay.
	Drunk.
	But dude, thanks.
	Guys, thanks for joining me.
	This has been really good fun.
	Thank you.
	Yeah, I've been getting a bunch of messages.
	Everybody's really excited.
	So it's great to meet you, Andrew.
	So before we go, then do you want to just promote your stuff?
	Tell people where they can find you.
	Go ahead, Andrew.
	Yeah, go ahead, Phil.
	You go first.
	Okay.
	I am Phil That Remains on Twitter.
	I am Phil That Remains Official on Instagram.
	The band is called All That Remains.
	We have a YouTube page, All That Remains Music.
	You can find us all over the place.
	We've been around a long time.
	So yeah, check my stuff out.
	It's fun.
	And you can find me at Don't Walk Run on Twitter.
	And also, also, I have like the Don't Walk Run handle on YouTube now.
	So don't walk run productions, which is a little my old Twitter used to be like don't walk underscore underscore underscore God, you know, and somebody somebody was uh very a benefactor on Twitter was basically nice enough to they knew somebody and they got me like Like the old account, like Don't Walk Run was not being used for years and years, and they just kind of gave it to me.
	So I can't say this person's name because they're not very political.
	So, but they knew who they are.
	So, thank you.
	And yeah, I do like a lot of, I basically do like a lot of political videos: AOC, Joe Biden, Joe Biden, lots of Joe Biden.
	Unfortunately, he's just kind of the president, isn't he?
	I mean, yeah, but his bullshit just dominates the news cycle.
	You know, like it's what it is.
	I'm sorry, guys.
	Don't worry.
	He's super old.
	He doesn't have much time for this earth.
	He has six more years in office.
	Well, yeah.
	He's like on a clock, man.
	Can you imagine?
	Can you imagine an 86-year-old president that is going to be amazing?
	Yeah.
	Andrew, I totally feel you about the Twitter account, right?
	Because there's someone who's at Sargon and they haven't tweeted since 2011, which is long before I started my YouTube channel and stuff like this.
	And so I just dread to think what their fucking tweets and replies are like these days.
	Like at Sargon, I hate you.
	You're a person.
	I think he's like, I'm looking at it.
	I think it might be Japanese or something.
	He's just, what the fuck is this?
	But anyway, yeah.
	So anyway, guys, go check them out.
	Thanks for having me on.
	It was a pleasure.
	Thank you.
	Oh, this has been great fun.
	Right.
	I'll speak to you guys on the Twitters.
	Cheers.
	Take care, everyone.
	Bye.
	Happy New Year, everybody.

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