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May 26, 2019 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin
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The Farm Murders in South Africa
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How you doing?
There you go, mate.
Just point out your mouth and off you go.
Ah, good to see, Lawrence.
You can take over in five minutes if that's all right.
Because then I can have a sit-down.
But I'll talk to my friend Adam first.
So, Adam, nice to see you, man.
How are you, Carl?
You ran for local council in Surrey, was it?
Yes.
Yes.
And you did better than expected, actually, didn't you?
10% of the people who voted voted for me.
That's not bad.
Area is so blue that there were no Labor candidates even.
Right.
What would you like to talk about?
Just to, this has come fresh now from the last guy you spoke to regarding the whole blockchain thing.
What negative side do you see of using a blockchain system for voting?
So everyone on their mobile phone has, as opposed to a wallet for digital currency, a voting card.
And each phone that has one of these voting cards also acts as a ledger.
So every time anyone casts their vote, every other phone stores that information.
So it can't be tampered with.
And then people can also vote from their living room chair.
So the turnout will be massive in comparison to what it is now.
Well, that sounds great because one of my big concerns about digital voting is the ease with which it can be tampered with.
I mean, like, there was a hearing about the Florida vote a few years back that was a bit iffy.
And I remember seeing a programmer standing up in the court and giving his opinion on how easy it would be to create vote manipulation software if you can do it digitally.
And I'm a programmer.
I'm telling you, it'd take five minutes.
You could literally, it would be the easiest thing in the world to write some code that could just flip it.
But if it gets automatically written to a blockchain that is represented on, like you say, every other phone where every phone is a ledger.
So you can demonstrate that this is the case and it can't be altered.
Well, then that's that problem gone.
And the amount of money it would save setting up all the local polling stations.
And it'd be so much quicker as well.
And okay, on to what I was wanting to ask you.
I suppose he has one for a big thinkery.
Can jet fuel melt steel beams?
I am reliably informed it can't, but it can weaken them.
Okay, fantastic.
Okay.
What's your opinion on the city of London, the square mile?
Right.
Honestly, I'm not sure.
I don't know really what to think about it because I'm not an expert on it.
Do you have a thought on it?
From what I see, it's sort of a quasi-autonomous sovereign.
It's got its own main nation police force.
Yeah, exactly.
And obviously it's for, I don't know, I suppose big business.
And businesses vote on candidates.
Yes.
I get the feeling, if I recall correctly, wasn't this something to do with William the Conqueror?
It goes really far back in history, and I think it's been inherited from the distant past.
And I think that, like with all things in this country, when you have something inherited from the distant past, I think people are very respectful of that and don't want to necessarily tamper with it because they think, well, there must be a reason that we've still got this.
A city-state.
But essentially, yeah, city-state in London.
Yeah.
And so, like I said, I'm not really an expert on it, and I'm not even sure what it's for.
So I was hoping you might be able to tell me on that.
No, neither am I an expert.
I just wanted to see if you had an opinion on it.
I should look at it.
It seems to be very corporate-centered.
It's corporate-sense.
You know, that's the direction they're leaning in as opposed to the common man on the street.
I think businesses in the city of London have a stronger voting block than the residents.
Probably.
I honestly don't know anything about it.
Since you're here then, can I ask you about South Africans?
Because I've met lots of South Africans.
You're from South Africa, obviously.
Yes.
I've met lots of South Africans on the tour, and for some reason, a bunch of them have been pro-identity politics.
Now, given the complex history of South Africa, I was hoping you'd be able to maybe shed some light on why that might be.
Oh, if you look at the universe diversity systems in the West at the moment, that's, as you know, that's happening in South Africa.
The university I went to has got some of the best stories with identity politics in the world.
Can you tell us one?
Well, it all started with Rhodes Must Fall.
Yeah.
A statue of Cecil John Rhodes on the campus.
Students didn't like it and didn't like what he stood for.
And what a good way to get back at him by spending, I think it was 28 million Rand removing the statue.
So that's where it all started.
And then the fees must fall.
I'm sure everyone's seen the videos of how science is.
How does the shaman call the lightning, Adam?
How does he do it?
We can't tell you that.
You have to be from there.
But that you bring up me being South African and that I stood as a UKIP candidate in the local elections.
Check mate, it shows UKIP's not xenophobic at least.
Well, of course not.
Of course not.
It's a patriotic party.
And if you live here, there's no reason you can't be patriotic.
Yeah, exactly.
But like you're saying about the identity politics there, it's coming from the universities again.
It's coming from, and as you know, there's a lot of poverty in Africa, South Africa included.
So most of the kids going to university are, surprise, surprise, middle, upper-class kids with no worry about money, so they think they know what.
What a shock.
So since you're here, can we talk about the situation with the farmers?
Yes, we can.
Because I did a bit of research into this, and it turned out, and again, to no one's surprise, I think, that the socialist government, when they were seizing land from, I suppose we'll turn just the white farmers, most of that land wasn't actually going into the hands of the black population.
Most of it was actually going into the hands of the party.
Cronyism, of course.
But there was also a study done that showed that just the free market was actually facilitating the transfer of land from white to black people much more efficiently than the government was able to do themselves.
Were you aware of that?
I wasn't aware of that.
I haven't seen that.
I'll send you it across because no, no, it was.
I was just like, well, I mean, the capitalists have another point.
It was actually fixing it for them and they didn't even have to do anything.
But can you tell us about the sort of the background of it and the ideological inspiration, if possible?
Because it seems to me that it's racial socialism.
Oh, yes, yes.
It's pan-Africanism.
Right.
Basically, it's during the Cold War era and when Zimbabwe was still Rhodesia, there was a lot of because a lot of the Western countries were looking down, obviously, for good reason, at apartheid South Africa, at Ian Smith's Rhodesia, and they were boycotting them.
And the Russians and the Chinese, I think, said, we'll step in there.
How about you also adopt our political policies?
That's why you see so much strength in this socialism movement.
And I mean, it's really scary.
If you look at a political party called the Economic Freedom Fighters, Julius Malema.
He's a lunatic.
If people think Carl has said some spicy things, Julius Malemma has taken it way over the top.
Can you give us a couple of examples?
Oh, no.
He will go on TV and say, don't worry, white people.
Your time to go is not yet.
It's coming.
It's not yet.
And you'll find...
It's actually a genocidal threat.
Oh, yes.
And it bleeds out into the communities.
And the scary thing is, South African elections were last week.
They have grown from about, I think it was 3% or 4% to about 10% now.
Blimey.
this EFF party, and they want to, they work on a platform of eventually taking land by force.
Yeah.
And that bleeds out onto the streets, basically, because South African farmers, I think the murder rate amongst South African farmers, now you see there's, most of the farmers are Afrikaans.
There's.
There's still a difference in South Africa between of English descent and of Dutch descent.
There's still a bit of rivalry there going back to the Anglo-Boer War.
Well, you know, if you lose a war, you can't get over it, can you?
But these farmers, so the farming population in South Africa is about 40,000 and obviously shrinking.
But the murder rate amongst white South African farmers is about 157 per 100,000.
So that makes them the most targeted demographic in the world, including war zones.
Yeah, that's worse than the murder rate in Brazil.
And the murder rate, the sheer numbers of murders in Brazil is the highest anywhere in the world.
So that's terrifying.
Yeah, South Africa's murder rate alone is in the top five last time I checked in the world.
But the farmers are getting killed at a rate about four or five times that.
And it's not just that they're being shot or something, is it?
I've heard some awful stories.
Yeah, no, I've seen, I've been following it for a while, but stories of putting a baby in a vat of boiling oil.
I mean, that's not just there to take your property off you.
That's there to reflect a bit more grievance than that.
You know, people getting skinned alive and dragged behind their vehicles.
I mean, we're talking real savagery here.
Oh, yeah, no, brutal.
Yeah.
And like the suffering that these people must have gone through before they died is just unthinkable.
Yeah, it's, you know, women and girls get raped in front of the men and brothers and that before then they all get offed.
That's the sort of level it is.
So it's not just break-ins and it's vendettas being settled, vendettas from the past.
And that's the scary thing, that EFF has more than doubled in size.
And it's only a new party.
I mean, it's been around, I think, 12 years now, 2007.
And it's now 10% of the got 10% of the vote of the population.
It's going to become a humanitarian crisis in South Africa, but no one wants to touch it because the victims happen to be of an unprotected class.
And that's very interesting because I spoke to a young lady in Plymouth who was from South Africa.
And was it in Plymouth?
No, it was in one of the e-tours.
I can't remember which one.
She was very angry at me because I wasn't being respectful with my language.
And I asked her about the situation in South Africa and how did she think it was going.
And she said, oh, I think it's fine.
And I didn't know what to say.
I mean, I was just like, well, okay, then.
I mean, we have very different opinions on what fine is, I suppose.
She's not helping anyone there by saying that.
Yes, it's uncomfortable to talk about.
But it's something that has to be talked about because it's going to become the world's problem not too far down the line.
And I mean, it seems like there is an openly genocidal intent.
And the things that are being done are just horrific.
I mean, one of the things you can watch is Lauren Southern's documentary, Borderlands, I think it was called, where she is interviewing these farmers.
And the things that they're saying have happened to them are just some of the worst things you've ever heard.
Yeah, yeah, it's it's you grow up used to it to a degree because it is a far more doggy dog world out there than than it is here.
I mean, it's so but the amount that people have grown to sort of accept it as the norm is it's shocking.
And it's and now people are starting to wake up and really get a voice.
They're getting exposure again through the help of the internet.
Yeah, they're getting exposure.
I mean the fact that Joe Rogan tweeted out that he was going to look into it.
Yeah, I think he backed off on that because he didn't want to think of touching that subject.
It's not politically correct.
Yeah, exactly.
And this the fact that people are shying away from it because it's not politically correct are actually costing people their lives.
That there's no, you know, I wouldn't know what the solution is.
I'm not saying expand the British Empire again.
Yes.
But yeah, it's a scary situation.
And so, I mean, I like to be able to talk about it when I can, although I'm no expert on it, obviously, because honestly, people have to be aware that there is, you can't just say this out of sight, out of mind.
I mean, this is genuinely a genocidal situation that is forming, and it's going to be horrific.
Yes.
And I'm very scared about it.
And it's not an equitable fight.
I mean, white South Africans are about 8% of the population.
So it wouldn't be a civil war.
It would be a genocide if something were to happen.
Yes.
And all of the political events in South Africa that I see seem to be, even ignoring the EFF, what's the ruling party called?
African National Congress, ANC.
That's right.
They are trying to implement legal methods to seize property anyway, and they've been doing it.
So it's not like they don't have the intention to target this minority, and they're the ruling party.
So this is state force being used against the minority to persecute them.
But not even only with land, with in the world of business as well.
It's one of, I think, one of the only countries in the world that has policies in place to uplift the majority.
That's very interesting, isn't it?
So that's why I actually ended up here because I was, I mean, I've told you this before, going for job interviews as a photocopy salesman, and they said, you do realize this is not a managerial position.
I said, yes, I know, but this is all I'm getting offered being white.
And they said, well, we just can't help you.
And it's, you see, if companies want to compete for government tenders, they have to be, it's called BEE, Black Economic Empowerment.
They have to be a certain percent black owned, or they can't even put a tender in, submit a tender.
And then this leads to a handful of very well-connected black gentlemen being on the board of 400 or 500 companies just so that the companies can compete for tenders.
So it's making, yet again, a tiny handful of people extremely wealthy, and the man on the street is still no better off.
Which is why presumably they're getting angry and going to the radical parties like the EFF.
And with the rhetoric that's being thrown around that you'll still hear it in South African parliament now.
If something's going wrong in the country, someone from the ruling party will stand up and say, this is because of apartheid.
And apartheid ended in 94.
Yes.
But it's still the fallback mechanism.
So in the mindset of people who are, because obviously the amount of people who have access to information on the internet there is very limited in comparison to here.
So they're getting fed their stuff from the news and from what the politicians are saying that's being broadcast on the news.
So that whole mindset is still being fostered that this is still from pre-1994 government why we're having problems now.
Yeah, honestly, it's a really terrifying situation.
Thanks for coming up and talking about it, man.
I really appreciate it.
One more question, if you're not sure.
Yes, sure, yeah, of course.
We might differ on this.
What is your stance on complete decriminalization and regulation of narcotics?
Oh, I don't think any of them should be criminalized.
Okay, there we go.
Job done.
Yeah.
Well, no, I.
No, no.
I mean, there are lots of reasons as well.
I mean, A, principally, who are the government to tell me what I can and can't enjoy, right?
But B, it doesn't work.
Prohibition doesn't work.
A few years ago, the government did a study and found that there was something like 10 million habitual cannabis users in the United Kingdom.
Well, it's happening anyway.
It's just happening off the grid.
It's not being taxed.
But I mean, narcotics across the board to heroin.
And then so that's the sort of like the socially acceptable drugs and cocaine and things like that.
And then you get the highly addictive ones, which I think should be treated as a health crisis.
Because a lot of these people, I've spoken to recovering addicts and people who are still in that sort of mindset.
And it's not that they want to be there.
Criminalizing these people is not going to get them off these drugs.
And, you know, drugs are a what are prisons are awash with drugs anyway.
It's just going to make their lives even worse.
Whereas we could take a more compassionate, humanitarian view of it and actually give them the treatment that they require.
Because a lot of these people do genuinely want to get off these drugs.
It's a monkey on their back.
I mean, you know, as a smoker, man, I wish I'd never started smoking.
You know what I mean?
But now I do, so now I'm just going to try to stop.
But it's one of those things that they genuinely need help with.
And treating them like criminals, treating them like the scum of society, that's not going to make their lives any easier.
I don't think it's going to get them off the drugs.
And more aspects on that where it would be a benefit is the amount of police resources that are spent is especially on petty crimes where a large percentage of those are by users to get money.
So a lot of police resources are being spent on policing that.
It is a big money spinner for the criminal underworld.
You suddenly take that away from them.
Then it all disappears.
And then you'll get far less greased up police officers because, you know, if they're making money to the tunes of tens of millions, they're undoubtedly going to be able to buy some police off.
If that is removed away from them.
problem solve if if if we just decriminalize this i mean i'm not saying we necessarily need to have them uh sort of legalized so they're sold in shops or anything but But, you know, I think making it so it's a character flaw rather than a legal issue is a lot more of a morally responsible position, frankly.
And I think it will help people out rather than criminalize them.
And again, it's your tax money putting drug addicts in jail.
You know, I don't see that as the appropriate option.
So thank you.
Thank you, Carl.
Thank you.
We've got to stop wearing black shirts when we talk to each other.
Man, I know, right?
But it's a slimming colour, you know?
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