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May 22, 2019 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin
10:15
The Tyrannical Middle Class in #Totnes
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So what do I hate?
You're opposing hate.
What do I hate?
Oh lady.
What do I hate?
You don't know, do you?
You don't know anything about me.
You don't know.
That's why you don't.
Of course you can't, because then you might become educated.
Then you might learn something.
I'm sorry?
Bullying women.
It seems like you're bullying me.
Am I bullying you or are you bullying me?
A history teacher, define fascism.
Wrong.
Well, yes.
The term you're looking for, lady, is totalitarian.
It's totalitarian.
Now, I am a limited government kind of guy.
I'm a libertarian.
I want less government interference in my life, not more.
So how could you call me a fascist?
You can't.
So now you have done that all of your friends are idiots.
They don't know anything about fascism.
They don't know.
No, that's not.
A fascist.
I'm asking for it.
I've come here for political debate.
I have come here for political debate.
You are the fascists here.
You are trying to shut me down.
I am here for debate.
I would love to, but we can't.
Let them back off.
Then back off.
Back off and we can talk.
Back off.
Everwright.
Let's get some space.
Come on, let's, like civilized human beings, let's make some space.
Let's make some space.
Yeah, I will make some space.
Make some space and she can speak.
Then get back.
Make some space.
Let's hear what she has to say.
Let the lady talk.
You are preventing the lady from talking.
Well, why are you talking about the voice?
Why can't you oppose me?
Why are you afraid of opposing me?
But why?
What's wrong with that?
You're giving it to the fascists, are you not?
Yeah, but I don't understand why you're not allowed to engage in public dialogue.
I am, but I have to stop.
Yeah, but you won't be in trouble.
Why would you be in trouble?
You won't be in trouble for telling me I'm wrong.
Come on.
I don't understand you.
Okay, well, thanks.
But at least we can agree that I'm not a fascist if I'm for limited government.
At least we can agree that.
As a history teacher, you must know that.
Oh, define neo-fascism.
What do you mean by limited government?
Well, as in, I think constitutional government is the way forward.
Constitutional democracy.
As in, I want limited powers and accountable politicians.
That's why I'm here talking to people, because I want accountability.
You guys can come and hold me accountable for the things you think I've said.
How would you limit the power of politicians?
What would you do?
Oh, definitely via constitutional...
Basically, I'd like the United States of America, a written constitution.
So a historic constitution has been nice, but it requires a kind of culture of good faith that I think we've lost.
The EU has given us with all our human rights laws and so on.
We've got that.
We wrote those things.
We've got a constitution come up through our history.
Well, yeah, but the thing is, hang on, hang on, hang on.
It's not.
It's not.
It's not one defined by our government.
Yeah, but it's actually not, because ours is a historic constitution.
It's not actually clearly defined.
And so we don't have constitution.
No, listen, listen.
Listen.
I will explain what I mean if you let me finish.
Okay.
What it requires is a certain level of good faith when it comes to interpretation.
I believe we've lost that, which is why we now have hate speech laws infringing on free speech.
Now, you might not like the things that are said that hate speech laws are catching, but that certainly is a violation of our principles of free speech, which are codified in our laws, in our historic constitution, as you say.
Another one is the sovereignty of parliament.
We don't get to set our own immigration rules.
That's actually set by directors from the European Union.
That is overriding the sovereignty of Parliament.
And that means that Parliament is not sovereign, which is actually a legal problem.
There's currently a legal challenge in the courts over this very issue.
So at the end of the day, you can sit there and say fascist, fascist, fascist, but I'm a constitutionalist.
I'm a Democrat.
I want limited government.
Nothing about what I'm saying comes from the socialist or fascist traditions.
I'm a liberal, a very strong liberal at that.
And that's something that, honestly, the progressives don't like.
I don't think so.
Well, what am I saying that's not liberal?
We have our own democratic institutions that have grown up through the hundreds of years.
They're becoming politicians.
You're imposing something on us that we don't need.
No, I think we do need this.
I think that you guys are in an exact proof that we need this.
Yeah, but the fact that you're trying to stop me from doing it.
I think it's a different country from the United States.
The United States is a massive country with lots and lots of states.
It's a federal government.
We don't need that.
We're responsible for that.
Well, I didn't say we should be the United States.
And as soon as you start talking about freedom of speech and impingement on the freedom of speech, you're then imposing your own ideas about what freedom of speech should be.
And it's not right.
Well, yeah, but I disagree with you that I think we should have freedom of speech.
We should.
I believe it's a speech.
But you agree with hate speech laws, right?
But I don't believe that we should say things that don't hurt people or inflame their opinions.
How can I say that?
So it's freedom of speech with responsibilities.
We have to have responsibility for what we say.
We do have responsibilities.
But then that's not true.
Then your definition of freedom of speech, it's already there.
Why are you trying to change?
It's actually being suppressed.
It's not working right now.
It's not being suppressed.
There are thousands of people.
You are saying inferior things about what you're not allowed to do.
Yes, I am.
I'm allowed to say that.
I am absolutely allowed.
Do you know how I know I'm allowed?
Because I wasn't arrested.
I wasn't arrested.
Well, that makes it.
No, I'm not.
They're not contacting.
It's lies from the media.
No one has contacted me.
That's the sort of thing Trump would say as well.
Do you trust the media?
No, you don't.
Because actually, I think the BBC actually are very much UKIP supporters.
They keep on.
The BBC and UKIP supporting point for RAR, John, and also.
Who else isn't a part of UKIP?
So, it's...
Well, he was, though, wasn't he?
Yeah, but he's not now.
I mean, it's UKIP in a different...
Come on, come on.
Come on.
No one's going to say that BBC supports UKIP.
Well, they are.
That's ridiculous.
That is ridiculous on the face of it.
Anyway, that's ridiculous.
90% of BBC coverage has been pro-Remain.
Look at any BBC question time.
It's remain communist concerned.
You're going to get information from a variety of sources.
Yes, you must, yes.
That is the best.
Yes, that's correct.
Yes, absolutely.
Not just the BBC.
Well, I totally agree.
I hate the BBC.
I think we should get rid of the licence fee, frankly.
But the idea of freedom of speech, it actually does allow me to say things that offend people.
That's the point.
And it really is, as George Orwell said.
It's a freedom of a speech with responsibilities.
There are responsibilities, but nothing I've said has been illegal.
No, that's not true.
I've been on the edge of it.
No, not at all.
I totally agree with George Orwell.
If freedom of speech is to mean anything at all, it must mean the right to offend.
It must.
Because otherwise we're not free, and it's your feelings that are tyrannising me.
Yeah, I know, because you're a tyrant.
You want me to stop talking for your feelings?
I don't care about your feelings.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry that I don't care about your feelings.
Well, I think you just managed to say what you actually represent.
Well done, Freedom.
You just said you don't care about my views.
No, but you don't care about my politician.
You don't care about myself.
Yeah, but I'm not a politician.
Yeah, but you are intimidating me along with all of these other people.
Do you not think I should be intimidated?
You said what you needed to say about that.
Yes, I did.
Thank you.
Well done, lady.
Yes, well done.
I love demonstrating the tyranny of the middle classes.
It's wonderful watching you demand other people shut up for your feeling.
I'm sorry, but it's necessary.
I want everyone to hear what you're saying.
I don't just hear my side of the story.
I'm hearing a lot of contradictions from what you're saying.
You're talking about freedom of expression, you're talking about freedom of speech, and yet your ideology towards so many facets of our co-society is filled with so much prejudice.
If you got into power, hang on, hang on.
Would you afford these same freedoms?
Would you afford the same freedoms to us if you were in power?
What do you think you're doing here?
It's a question.
It's a question.
Right.
I am giving you a platform right here.
I'm recording this.
I'll put this out to the world.
Yes, I will give you the right to free speech because I, well, I can't take that away from you.
Because I'm a white man.
That's why.
No.
That's why you're giving me the free.
If I was a Muslim, if I was a homosexual, if I was a woman, you wouldn't have the same respect for me, would you?
I'd talk to a woman.
That's an awful racist thing to say.
That's absolutely disgraceful.
We'll talk to anyone about anything.
That's my question.
What dare you?
I'm literally...
What?
Would I afford free speech to people who aren't me?
Would you afford free speech?
Would you afford free speech in the same way that you have been sat and talking about freedom of expression?
Like, we're suppressing it.
I think if you were in power, you wouldn't afford that the same way.
Why would I not?
Why would I do it now?
Why would I do it now?
Because you're not in power.
Wrong.
That's you talking, not me.
I am for free speech for every what I want to do is section 127 of the Communications Act.
That is the thing that is suppressing free speech in this country.
Everyone has a right to free speech.
It is one of our inalienable rights and it is being suppressed.
So no, I would not take it away.
I'm an activist for it.
I'm off giving you a platform despite their best attempts to stop me.
I am going to carry on giving a platform to people as much as I am able.
Don't sit there and say that I wouldn't do it just because you're a white man.
That's terrible.
That's absolutely terrible.
You should be ashamed of saying that.
Why do you say it so blasé?
How do you say everything that you've said so blasé in the world?
Because I mean it.
I really mean it.
Well, when I make jokes, yes.
I stand by my jokes.
You stand by your jokes.
Thank you.
I'm sorry, I can't hear what you're saying.
You're going to have to use this.
I'm not going to be put out of your breast anymore.
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