I felt I just had to come and counteract some of the claims from the lady who is before this gentleman you just interviewed.
And the talk of racism.
The talk of racism.
I'm obviously not from this area.
I'm from an area in the north.
I left the north because it was no longer safe to be there.
There's a certain ideology up there that people here would say I'm talking in a racist manner.
It's not a racist manner.
I'm a very kind, compassionate lady.
I really am.
Anybody who knows me knows that's the truth.
I believe you.
I'm a believer in diversity.
It doesn't matter to me, people's colour, creed.
That doesn't matter.
But what matters to me is how people behave in the communities in which they live, whether they be the indigenous population or from a minority.
And if those people, whichever people, behave in a diverse way that isn't acceptable, then we have a right to speak out.
Now, this lady was talking about racism.
I can guarantee that the racism from where I came doesn't come from the white community.
It comes from one of the minority communities.
I think that we should be brave enough to say what we believe.
And I won't accuse you of calling names or anything like that, but I think it is imperative that we do say what we believe.
Yeah, and I could write a book of X. Which community do you believe it's coming from?
It's the...
I never thought of these people as Muslims.
I always saw them as Pakistanis.
So because it was a Pakistani community.
Yeah, an ethnic community.
Yes, it was Pakistan.
There was no problem from the Chinese community, the Hindu community, the Polish community.
It was from one particular source.
I'm a little bit nervous, so forgive me.
Not that people will probably accuse us of being fascist will actually look on YouTube, but there's a gentleman called Mo Faez.
And there's an interview from LBC on the phoning program.
And he actually talks of leaving Islam.
He left Islam, I think it was 28 years ago, and Islaf was under threat from his own community.
He had to leave his own family, all his friends.
He has a brother who he's never met because he was born after he left that community.
Consequently, Mo Faez went into the white community.
And I would say to everybody, if you think that the racism is simply from white people, that is not the truth.
And I beg you to listen to this guy.
He's called Mo Faez.
It's an LBC.
Sorry, what's it?
Oh, okay.
It's an LBC interview.
And the guy phones in.
He had to leave 28 years ago.
He went to live with the white community.
And in his words, he said, I could not have had a more accepting, more loving community than the white community.
It accepted me with open arms and love.
He said, with his own community, he's really ashamed of his own community, which is the Pakistan.
The reason being is that we have a problem up north that you don't seem to have down here.
I know from coming down here, people don't understand what's going on in these areas.
They do not.
Just to make it clear why, there's been something like 5% immigration down here.
It's 95% white British.
It's not mostly foreign or large amounts of foreign migration down here.
And I guess northern refugees as well.
Oh, this is the problem.
It's not only do you have a...
The Pakistani community came up there probably in the 50s.
Yeah.
They were in the 50s, 60s.
They were invited to our country, especially where I used to live, which are classed as Mill and Mosque towns because of the high number of Pakistani communities built around there.
They came over for industry to work in the mills, but then they consequently closed.
There was no problem at first.
You know, everyone got on, but as the Pakistani communities grew and grew and grew, then this is where the problems came.
Because if you had a business within that community where the Pakistanis then took over, and I know this for a fact, of the butchers who his shop was sabotaged by his windows constantly smashed and eventually they told him, unless you get out of here, we will bomb you, we will set fire to your shop.
You will not get a white taxi driver up there.
Not that that matters.
No.
That doesn't matter.
But the reason there are now no white taxi drivers is because all their cars were sabotaged and burnt by the Pakistanis.
But you can't talk about these things.
You can't talk about it.
And this is what infuriates me because I moved down here with my adult children because it was no longer safe to be up there.
I could write a book of what goes on.
But back to more fires, he stated that the Imams within his community will deny all knowledge of the grooming that goes on.
I know girls who've been groomed personally.
Well, with the shame, the number of young girls who have been groomed, I'm sure everyone does.
Yeah.
Well, there's people within these communities down here who will deny that happens.
Of course, I know the reality.
That's politically correct.
It's a harsh thing to have to think about.
There's a kind of bleeding edge around these communities that is hurting the native community.
And not just the natives, the Sikhs, the Hindus, the Chinese girls, anyone contacting that, there is this kind of bleeding edge around the communities.
No one wants to talk about it.
But it's getting wider and it's causing people to flee.
And we can't wait to see that.
It's wide, yeah.
We can't let this go on forever.
It's got to be spoken about, even if it's uncomfortable.
Anyway, back to the guy, more fires.
He said the Imams within these communities will turn around and say, well, no, these guys wouldn't do this because they're nice guys.
But they are doing it.
He admits they're doing it.
He's ashamed of his own Pakistani community.
He had three friends who also wanted to leave Islam who were almost killed by their own community.
And the police did nothing.
The police did nothing to anyone who wants to leave Islam.
If they're a Muslim, the police will not protect them.
Apostasy is punishable by death.
Yes.
And I know ex-Muslims myself who have been physically attacked.
I mean, they've shown me the scars.
Yeah.
It's really awful.
It's horrendous.
And another thing, finally, what this guy said is that I am so ashamed of my community.
He said it pains me to be ashamed of the community that I was brought up in.
He said, but 95% of those people, Pakistani people, are racist.
They hate the white community.
And I can honestly say that you just don't hear of any white attacks, to be honest.
Attacks from the white community is very few and far between.
It's common and common for the white people to have racist attacks upon them.
And it's not just one-on-one, it is gangs with machetes and baseball bats who will beat their victim to a pulp.
And I know personally of my son's friends whose sisters were abducted by Pakistanis, taken to...
They weren't being groomed, they just abducted them off the street and took them to a secluded area and gang-raped them.
But this goes on and these people do not know this because I've come down to live in Plymouth.
It's a different mentality.
It's a totally different world.
It's a different world.
They don't understand.
You know, no, I don't talk from a place of racism.
I work with people of all colours.
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
But I want to put the reality there.
So I would beg anybody who prefers to deny this, look at that video, more fighters, LBC ex-Muslim.
And you'll get a different perspective.
Thank you.
I really appreciate that.
And, you know, being a northerner, you know, we talk about hate crimes too.
Most people have been lovely since I've lived in this area the past eight years.
But I get people at work.
In fact, one of the residents where I worked, she was horrible to me for quite a while.
But I always went in with a polite demeanor.
And it turned out she disliked me because of my accent.
Oh, really?
And another girl who works at my place, she hates me because of my accent.
You weren't local.
Yeah.
Well, I'm a nice person.
I'm a really loving person.
I believe it.
The thing is, I really think that...
But that's a hate crime.
That is a hate crime.
It's certainly prejudiced, isn't it?
Yeah.
This is what I try to explain to people.
It's like, look, people like Tommy Robinson don't come out of the vacuum.
They don't just appear fully formed out of the ether and then start going around saying, oh, I have a problem with Islam.
It's not that simple.
And if you listen to Tommy's Oxford Union speech.
And the York one.
And you can see exactly how he has been made by this kind of bleeding edge around these communities.
There's no denying it.
And it's very easy when you're in a place that's had virtually zero immigration to say, no, no, no, this is because you're racist.
It's not because you have real problems.
You know, there are real problems and they have to be discussed.
It's tough.
No one wants to have to do it, but it's got to be done.
Well, one final thing.
I'm a real supporter of Tommy because he actually tells the truth of what's going on.
Yes, he does.
And he has a massive following because the people who follow him generally are the people he talks with a knowing truth.
And the people who follow him often are people who recognize it, like myself, who have experience of everything that he talks about.
Of the Pakistani gangs in school, at my daughter's school, cheering at 9-11, all stood up cheering.
This happens.
This happens.
I know.
I'm hearing people saying, oh, my God, you don't know the reality.
He didn't leave his suburbia.
You know your privileged lifestyle.
Well, no, no.
Oh, sorry, yeah.
Yeah, no, no.
Sorry.
Sorry.
She knows, and that's the thing.
Yeah.
Sorry, I thought you were.
No, no, but that's the thing.
And one of the things I found is the most tragic thing.
It's like, we know that our countrymen are not racist.
We know that.
Yeah.
Sorry, I do apologise.
And so when they say, look, we genuinely have a problem here, we instead pathologise them as being racist, even though the day before we didn't think they were racist.
And now we're not going to listen.
We're going to say, no, you're actually a bad person.
My goodness.
No, there are real problems.
Yes, there are real problems.
But thank you so much for that.
No, thank you.
I didn't mean to offend anybody, but I think we have to put that perspective forward.