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May 6, 2019 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin
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Labour MEP Candidates Suddenly Visit #Gibraltar
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Isn't it funny how I go to Gibraltar and lo and behold, suddenly the Labour candidates are going to Gibraltar as well.
Well, this is Lord Andrew Adonis.
And as you can see by the fucking blue tie he's wearing that has the European stars on it, if you can't see that in the recording, he wants a second referendum because he doesn't think democracy actually matters.
To people like this, democracy is the obstacle.
A very successful meeting with the chief minister.
We're both agreed that the right thing for Gibraltar is to stay in the EU.
Fabian!
You fucking weakling!
How dare you not come and debate me!
You'll meet Lord Adonis, won't you?
Oh yes, you will because you're a remainer too.
Listen, we voted to leave.
This is the democratic mandate that Gibraltar will also want to honour because I'm sure the Gibraltarians are Democrats, unlike Labour.
It's the right thing for Britain too, and the big...
That's the right thing for Britain.
It's the right thing if you want to see the end of the country.
Question in British politics is: can we hold a second referendum with an option to remain?
No.
We voted to leave.
How exactly is it you don't understand this?
The referendum was we will remain in the EU or we will leave and leave won by over a million votes.
We want to leave.
Why is this even a question?
Why are you even talking about this?
You have a moral duty and obligation to support Brexit, even if you personally don't like it.
It is for the good of the country at this point, Andrew Adonis.
I strongly support a second referendum.
I strongly support undermining democracy in the UK.
I strongly support going against the wishes of the people.
I strongly support dictatorship and tyranny from Europe as, let's be honest, that's where it comes from, isn't it, Andrew?
Fucking hell.
I can't.
Imagine saying that and showing your face in public.
Imagine having no shame about it.
With an option to remain.
And the Labour Party's position is that any deal from this government will go to a referendum with an option to remain.
God, imagine voting for Labour after hearing that.
Imagine, imagine voting for Labour.
Good God.
How embarrassing.
Well, earlier in the year, you were quoted as saying, don't vote for Labour if you want Brexit.
Is that still where the party stands?
Are you firmly a Remain party now?
Labour is the party that will deliver Remain.
There is, there is no delivering Remain, right?
There is delivering civil war.
That's what I think.
I think that you are actually going to open the Pandora's box.
I think that if you don't do this, what you're going to say is literally, we in Parliament know better than you plebs.
I know that we receive our power and influence from the sovereign people of Britain, but fuck them.
They don't know what they're talking about.
That's what I think is going to happen there, Andrew.
I think you are really, really playing with forces that you don't understand.
And you can't just put back away when you've decided, oh, wait, this is all going too far.
The idea of delivering remain, contrary to the wishes of the British public, is just absurd.
It's an absurdity.
It's an absurd statement.
You are an absurd person.
This is why I don't take the political class of this country seriously, and neither should anyone else.
Because only with Labour's backing is there a majority in the House of Commons for a second referendum.
You're going to lose twice.
Diane Abbott's right.
You are going to lose twice.
And then what?
What happens if you lose twice, Fabian?
Once we've got that majority, we will back Remain in a referendum.
The overwhelming majority of Labour Party members and Labour Party members of Parliament support Britain's continued membership of the European Union.
Yeah, beyond all fucking reason as well.
Here's a giant protectionist neoliberal superstate.
Why wouldn't the British Labour Party or the international socialists be in favour of that?
I honestly can't see a reason why anyone on the left would be in any way favourable to the European Union.
It must just be the fact they're happy to parrot out progressive talking points.
That's the only reason I can think of.
And part of the reason why is we want good relations with our European partners.
We don't want to be at loggerheads with Spain, France, Germany.
We want cordial, close relations, and in particular, we want open borders.
Just.
Oh, Jesus.
Yes, we know you want open borders.
We know.
We know that you lunatics want open borders, but we do not.
Open borders means the end of our countries.
The end of the nations in which we live.
That is Andrew Adonis' goddamn position.
What an absolute, just what an absolute barmy thing to suggest.
oh hey what you know what what we want to do right is we want to get a continent where the wealth a lot of the countries in the continent are actually uh very poor And what we're going to do is open the borders so any of those people can just come here and compete with our poor.
No problems.
No problems at all.
For me, you know, part of the part of the elite class of Britain, I stand to make more money as the GDP rises.
But the average person in the street, the average working man and woman, well, they don't really stand to gain from that, do they?
They're going to get social strife.
They're going to get competition for wages.
They're going to get depression on their wages and less jobs available to them.
They're going to have more competition for social services and the NHS.
But you know what?
We're for open borders because we honestly hate this country.
That's the Labour Party position at this point.
And it's not like the Labour Party leadership doesn't reflect that opinion anyway.
John McDonnell, Winston Churchill, was the villain.
Jeremy Corbyn, like, find an enemy of Britain that Jeremy Corbyn hasn't sucked off under the table.
Try.
Try.
So we can trade freely.
No, 14,000 people.
Oh, that's right.
We can't trade freely with people unless we allow every single one of them to come and live in our country.
Why can we not trade freely with someone and not allow every single one of those people to come here?
Why?
Tell me why, Andrew.
Come across the border to Gibraltar every day to work.
We want that to continue.
We want the economy to flourish.
Well, you mentioned they're cross-frontier workers.
So do you have your ear to the ground as it pertains to Gibraltar issues?
What would you say are the most pressing issues for the ROC?
I'll tell you what, he ain't going to get this right.
I know because I spoke to a bunch of people, but he ain't gonna get this.
The critical thing for Gibraltar is that we stay in the European Union, so that the border is open, we have a free flow of goods and people across it, and we don't play fast and loose with...
Okay, look, the border is regulated.
It isn't just an open border.
They have a wall.
They regulate the people coming through.
It's not just an open border.
And no, Gibraltarians want to remain a part of Britain.
Overwhelmingly so.
And if Britain votes to leave the European Union, every single person I spoke to was like, well, yeah, I mean, you know, we thought it would be best to stay because economic reasons.
We're close to Spain, so it made sense.
But we're not leaving Britain.
So if Britain votes to go, then we as a part, a core component of Britain, also have to go.
Prosperity and the security of Gibraltarians.
Just empty platitudes.
Labour will not do that.
We will stand by their right to have a second referendum.
We will back remain in that referendum.
People can have confidence that Labour will deliver for the cause of staying in the European Union.
Listen, right?
I spoke to a lot of Gibraltarians, and obviously they voted to remain because it's a big decision.
They weren't sure about it, etc.
They didn't do it because in principle they thought it was a good idea that they'll get subsumed into a giant European superstate.
In principle, everyone I spoke to agreed that yes, Britain probably should be sovereign.
And if that was the vote of the people, then that's what we have to do.
They weren't like the kind of anti-democratic chuds like Andrew Adonis is.
And do you think a second referendum is realistically achievable?
There's a famous Sherlock Holmes story that says after the impossible options have been eliminated, you're just left with the improbable, which must be the truth.
the impossible of being eliminated.
No deal, Theresa May's deal, other versions of a deal that...
These are not impossible.
They're just you're too cowardly to take them.
You could take a no-deal tomorrow.
Yeah, okay.
Oh, oh, it's going to hurt the economy.
Okay, sure.
It'll hurt the economy.
But then we'll be sovereign.
We'll be free.
We can do with our country what we please.
We can do what it takes to encourage investors to come here.
I mean, it's not like people aren't already lining up to do that.
Our unemployment is at the lowest rate it's been since 1975.
Despite, quote-unquote, Brexit, investment into Britain has been remarkably high, hasn't it?
And I love the way they frame it.
Despite Brexit.
Maybe because of Brexit.
Are pure unicorns.
What we're left with now is a referendum with an option to remain, and I believe that will now happen.
I tell you, it bear bloody not.
But was there a takeaway from a meeting today with the chief minister?
Well, firstly, it's good to be back in Gibraltar.
Oh, very sincere.
And secondly, we obviously had a conversation about the current situation.
Did you talk about me?
And the important thing for us was to get over to the chief minister how much we support Gibraltar and secondly, how much we are determined that Gibraltar's position will be protected by us campaigning for remaining in the European Union through a referendum in the UK and here as well.
Unironically, Jeremy Corbyn, I love this guy's face.
Unironically, Jeremy Corbyn said he would happily give Gibraltar back to Spain.
And when we say give Gibraltar back to Spain, the Gibraltarians are not Spanish, do not consider themselves Spanish, and do not want to be a part of Spain, at least from their own referendums and polling.
And every single person I spoke to.
But no, Jeremy Corbyn will happily give Gibraltar back.
He thinks that the Spanish deserve it.
And it's like, no.
What the Gibraltarians deserve is to preserve their sovereignty within the United Kingdom.
That cannot be done as a part of Europe.
The whole point of Europe is to eradicate all borders.
That means Gibraltarians will have to tear down their wall that faces Spain and allow literally anyone in without any checks whatsoever.
Well, in the recent UK Council elections held just last week, it was a poor showing for both Labour and the Conservatives, a sort of Brexit backlash where other parties, the Greens and the Liberal Democrats, picked up seats.
So will this upcoming European elections be a referendum on where your party, for example, stands?
Well, that's part of why we think it's really important to have been here so we can speak directly to the people of Gibraltar today.
Oh, so sincere.
I bet you were just pounding the streets, just like me, speaking to people.
I bet you had a nice big QA open forum in Casemate Square, didn't you?
Bloody, give me that.
Give me strength.
Honestly, you are just the least sincere liars that I have ever seen in my life.
You are actively opposing the democratic will of the people and you are just sat here flagrantly lying to people's faces.
Say, look, if you want, if you want that change, there is realistically only one route through which that change can be delivered, and it is through the Labour Party.
What change?
You are advocating for the status quo, you bloody idiots!
What possible change could you be asking for?
We want everything to be exactly as it was before the Brexit referendum, except with us in charge.
There is no change that you're asking for.
You're asking for the end of the United Kingdom, for the end of Gibraltar's self-determination.
You are asking for us to all be subsumed into a giant bureaucratic superstate that will dominate Europe and has pretensions to being a fucking empire.
All right?
You are not advocating for change.
You are advocating for more of the same.
And spectacularly, not just for the people of Gibraltar, but also it's about beating that Farage point, about beating the Brexit party as well.
You sound scared.
Because the standing, the reaction from the EU27, if we, if Farage wins those elections, will also be a problem for us as well.
I'm sure it'll be a problem for you, but it's not just Farage, is it?
Let's be honest.
And let's be fair, right?
Who gives a damn what they're afraid of?
We are meant to be an independent country.
We were meant to be an independent country three years ago.
And now we have to run European elections.
It's unacceptable, which is why I suggest you vote UKIP.
That in part is why the Labour Party needs the votes here as well as in the southwest of England.
But again, it's that delivery point.
Again, it's the point that only the Labour Party can deliver that result.
Can you understand why that is so disingenuous?
I mean, like, as if the Liberal Democrats aren't hyper-Remainers as well.
And let's be fair, the Conservatives have their fair strain of remain still left in them, don't they?
Some might be sceptical or a little bit confused because Labour said for many months, if not over the course of the last three years, indeed over the course of the last election, that it would respect the result of the referendum.
Yeah, what are you going to say about that?
But now we're hearing that it's all about a referendum and an anti-Brexit party, essentially.
Yeah, and Jeremy Corbyn said he wasn't going to go for a second referendum.
Really makes you think, doesn't it?
Is that where Labour stands?
Has the tune changed?
We've had the referendum policy since conference last year.
We've had a referendum in our policy since then as well.
That part was reaffirmed at the Labour Party executive meeting last week as well.
Did you miss the part where the British public voted to leave?
We don't need your internal Labour polling or referendums inside your party.
The British public voted to leave.
Unambiguous mandate to leave the European Union.
is this something that I have to keep saying?
But we are, it is that point about, you know, the difficulty sometimes of having Leave MPs or MPs in Leave constituencies.
But look at our actions.
Look at, firstly, the what you're confusing, flip-flopping on the issue.
And where you've come to the point where now you think, well, God, I mean, literally, the only thing we can do is just become a bloody-minded Remain party in opposition to what two-thirds of the constituencies of the United Kingdom actually voted for.
Why would you do this?
The fact that we have had those three votes in support of a referendum in the House of Commons, where we are whipped in support of that vote.
And secondly, the impossibility of, you know.
Keep nodding.
Keep nodding and smiling, grimaced through gritted teeth.
It really looks sincere and convincing.
I really believe you.
I believe that you really give a shit about the people of Gibraltar.
Delivering a deal that actually does not harm people.
And I.
Oh my God.
Well, you know, I would love to have a discussion with Mr. Hitler about his annexing of the Sudetenland and his potential invasion of Poland.
But what it is, is requiring us to form a deal that doesn't end up hurting any of the British people because we can't go to war with Nazi Germany because some people might die.
It might affect our economy.
Who knows what will happen to the Empire?
You know, it's not that we have to do the right thing here.
It's that we really have to consider the GDP of the United Kingdom.
Just like all other Labour politicians, I came into politics to stand up for people's interests to protect their rights and their economic, their jobs and all of that.
Really?
Really?
So you don't give a fuck what they voted for then?
You don't care about how people morally voted with regards to the European Union.
You came in here.
Oh, I'm here to protect your jobs.
Great.
That's great.
That's literally the most important thing, isn't it?
It's not about the self-determination of the country.
It's not about people outside of London saying we want to leave.
If the London elites say we want to stay, then stay is the agenda, isn't it?
And that is not something that can be done through Brexit.
And now the impossibility of Brexit is becoming more and more apparent.
Oh, yeah, keep nodding.
Very sincere.
It's impossible.
We just simply can't leave because then I'd be out on my ass.
Who's going to vote for a hardcore remainer?
I mean, honestly, it's really disgraceful the way that these politicians are speaking to the public.
It's just utterly disgraceful.
As if you are idiots.
They think that you are easily persuaded by their fake sincerity and the constant repetition.
Oh, no, Brexit's impossible.
Brexit's impossible.
No, just leave.
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