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March 15, 2019 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin
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The Brexit Betrayal Rally
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Hello everyone, I'm at House of Parliament, Walt Pearson, on the day when they're going to be voting about various ways of betraying the electorate.
What do you think of all this?
Well, I think unfortunately our politicians and bureaucrats haven't the faintest idea how to do a deal.
And they don't appear to have any idea either of the strength of our hand.
And the way forward is terribly simple.
What we ought to do now is say to them, look, you have breached Article 1 of Article 50, clause 1 of Article 50, which says that a country can leave the European Union in accordance with its own constitutional requirements.
And our constitutional requirements are a referendum, a vote of the people, a vote of both houses of parliament in a general election, which all decided we were leaving this unfortunate enterprise.
And so what we should now say to them is that they have breached clause one, Article 1, and we're going anyway.
And what we should do is to make an offer to the people of Europe through the Council of Europe and COREPA, which no one's ever heard of, and sidestep the Commission, because the Commission is the bureaucracy and its only interest in keeping us in this thing.
So we say to the people of Europe, we will be very generous.
We will give you mutual reciprocal residence for a period of two years, shall we say.
And that's generous to the people of Europe because there are four million of them living here and 1.2 million of us living there, so that's generous.
We then move on to the difficult one, which is trade, and we say to them, we will give you continuing free trade, but under the auspices of the World Trade Organization, the WTO, that will be continuing free trade.
That's not the same as being forced to WTO terms, because if we're forced to WTO terms, I've got a written answer from the government last week which says that they will pay us 14 billion a year in extra tariffs and we will pay them 6 billion a year.
So it's a profit of 8 billion.
So we offer them that, we offer it to the people through the Council of Europe and see what they say.
And we say, if you don't accept it, if you don't accept it, we're leaving anyway.
We're leaving under WTO terms.
You will pay us an extra 8 billion a year.
We won't give you the 39 billion we've been foolish enough to discuss so far.
So that's another 39 billion and we'll leave anyway and go our own way.
That's what we should say.
We should understand that we've got the strength of that position and we should get on with it.
But I'm afraid this lot in here, the political class, simply don't understand it.
But every leading businessman to whom I've spoken, one of them owns one of the major ports in the country, they all agree with what I've just said.
It's perfectly obvious, but this lot can't see it.
So that would be a remarkably generous offer on our part as well, wouldn't it?
Generous to the people of Europe.
But the reason the Commission will not accept it is that we would then make a success of Brexit.
Other countries would follow.
And the Commission, the bureaucracy, the appointed bureaucracy, who has the monopoly of proposing all our legislation, 20,000 laws proposed by the Commission in secrecy, passed through the Committee of Permanent Representatives, passed through the European Parliament, 20,000 laws imposed on this place since we left.
We haven't been able to stop one of them.
And we can't.
It's designed so that we cannot do it.
And if we just understood that, it's terribly, terribly simple.
But I've run it in the laws once or twice and they don't understand it.
Well, they either don't understand it or they don't want it.
They actually want this project of European integration to continue, which is designed from the origin to be anti-democratic and to take away from the people of Europe their right to elect and dismiss those who make their laws.
That's what it's all about.
Thank you very much.
I really appreciate it.
Hello everyone, I'm outside the Parliament with Jared Batten, the leader of UKIP, on the day that the Parliament is going to betray the will of the people.
How do you feel about this?
Well, we've got to wait until about seven o'clock to find out, Carl.
If they do vote for an extension of Article 50, then this will be the final betrayal of the whole Brexit process that we've seen over the last two years, nine months.
Let's be honest, they're going to do it, aren't they?
I think that's most likely.
They have a chance to redeem themselves by not doing it.
And then, of course, nothing needs to happen until the 29th.
And then we get thrown out of the EU automatically because the treaties would cease to apply without a withdrawal agreement.
If they ask for an extension, how long's that going to be for?
A couple of months?
My view is they have a plan to ask Rich just for two or three months and then say, oh, we'll allow the existing MEPs to stay in place until the end of their term, then we're out.
And then when they get to that point, they'll then say, oh, ah, no, we still need more time.
So they'll extend it for another year or two without MEPs.
I think they want to avoid a European election because that would be an opportunity for the British public to vote again on whether they want to leave or not.
And I'll be leading the party that says leave, UK, of UKIP, obviously.
But I think the European Union may have other ideas on that because the treaties say that if you are a member of the European Union, you have to take part in the European election.
So if we haven't left, they may well say, well, you've got to take part in the elections.
So we're going to be sending more Brexiteers to the European Parliament then?
Yes, and this time I will make sure that those candidates are selected on the basis of their loyalty to UKIP, their loyalty to the cause, and that they don't need all the extra income that you can accrue as an MEP, and that isn't their priority.
We've got a few of those at the moment, I'm afraid, and they'll be gone, whatever happens.
So ultimately, I mean, I'm really not very optimistic about any of this.
I have a funny feeling that the, I mean, I saw Theresa May, it was reported by Sky News, where she had gone to the Parliament and said, right, well, we have to prevent going out on a no deal.
It was up to us to find a solution to us crashing out on the 29th.
Do you think we're going to get a second referendum?
No.
You see, now you've used the key words that have been programmed into your brain by the media, which is crashing out and no deal.
I should have said sailing away, shouldn't I?
You've just proved how effective it is because there never was going to be a deal.
This whole, you know, there could have been a very positive arrangement for both sides, you know, a week after the referendum, if the British government had gone and offered them continued tariff-free trade, citizens' rights, do you want it or not?
That would have been the deal.
But the EU were never going to offer a deal, because why would they?
Because they don't want us to leave.
They've got the deal that they want.
They said as much.
I mean, Michelle Barnier exactly said, we have the deal.
It's up to the UK Parliament to sign it.
Yeah, precisely.
And this whole thing about crashing out, no, you leave.
You know, what people tend to forget is there are about 197 countries in the world.
Only 28 of them belong to the EU.
The rest of them exist very nicely outside of it.
So you leave and you take up the status of the rep which is considered normal in the rest of the world.
Well, the thing is, I actually don't see any negative connotations attached to the phrase crashing out.
I actually see it as being a very forward-thinking and balshy thing to do.
And I think we should do as much damage on our way out as we can.
What do you think?
No, actually, I don't want to damage it.
I mean, I know.
You know, I think the whole thing is a bloody stupid idea to start with.
But if European countries want to be in it, that's their funeral, or it should be their funeral, not ours.
And I think as things progress, more and more countries will want to leave anyway.
Well, on that note, in fact, I was going to ask you, do you think after the next round of MEP elections, there'll be a lot more European Eurosceptic MEPs being sent there?
Absolutely.
I mean, the European Parliament itself is kind of predicting about 30% of them of their new intake will be Eurosceptics.
And I think they're underestimating that.
I mean, I might be wrong, but I think it's going to be more like 50% plus.
Well, I mean, that would change the sort of natural inbuilt majority that they have, wouldn't it?
It's going to give them a terrific problem in the European Parliament because they depend upon these pro-EU fodder MEPs just to vote through the legislation all the time.
The civil service is going to have a bit of a problem then, aren't they?
Yeah, but you see, it won't make a terrible lot of difference because all it will do is slow the process down.
Because when legislation comes before the European Parliament and they amend it, if the Commission doesn't like it, they can just ignore it anyway.
That's the way it works.
So what it'll do is it will stop things happening.
It'll just slow the process down and bog it down a bit, which is good.
I mean, that's not going to be bad because you'll have less law coming out of that place, which can't be bad.
It's a fantasy for me.
Thank you very much, Jared.
I really appreciate it.
Hello, everyone.
This is Freddie Varcher, the UKIP chairman for London.
How are you doing?
I'm doing fine.
Carl, I wonder whether these scoundrels and traitors in the large building behind us will have the testicular fortitude to actually carry on in the ludicrous way in which they've been carrying on since yesterday.
Because taking no deal off the table until you have concluded negotiations are the actions of only an idiot or a traitor.
And here we have both of them in large measure.
Well, I mean, they could well be just total moral cowards.
Moronic cowards.
Well, I'll allow for that.
I'll allow for that.
You are a generous man, more generous than I am, but I will permit that possibility.
Look, on the, let me check, the 8th of February 2017, 80.2% of members of parliament voted to have Article 50 with the 29th of March 2019 exit date.
That is, more than 80% of them voted for it.
Now, we want to hold them to their promise, to their pledge, further in a general election that occurred just three months later.
Results declared in June 2017.
85.1% of people, 85%.1% of people who voted voted for a candidate who had leaving on the 29th of March 2019 on his or her manifesto.
That is 85% of them.
We have dominant force here, overwhelming force.
Any attempt to delay Brexit is high treason.
Any attempt to dilute Brexit is high treason.
Any attempt to water down in any form Brexit is high treason.
Any attempt to postpone Brexit is high treason.
And any attempt to bring in a third referendum before 2057 is high treason too.
They made us wait 14,994 days between the first referendum, which wasn't on the EU at all, which was about a common market, which we all agreed to, and the second referendum, which was held on the 23rd of June 2016, where 7.9% more people voted to leave than voted to remain, a large majority.
That 14,994 days, add that to the 23rd of June 2016, you get to the 12th of July 2057.
When I will be 99 years of age, you will be 73 and we'll allow them to have it.
But not one day before.
How dare they even try to think of it?
These scoundrels, these liars, these traitors.
Now, I'm going to believe in one of the things which the EU has believed in.
The EU believes in retrospective legislation.
It is abhorrent to me normally, but I am prepared to make an exception.
We shall bring in retrospective legislation on the matter of treason, on high treason, and we will deal with these rubber necks.
Scoundrels in that building behind us.
And now turn the camera off and I'll tell you what I really think.
So, gallows it is then.
Thank you very much.
Hello, everyone.
I'm speaking to Neil Hamilton, the leader of UKIP and Wales and the candidate for the Newport West by-election.
What do you think of the current democratic process that's underway, Neil?
Well, it's a wonderful democratic process, isn't it?
You've got about 480 remainer MPs in there, and those 480 votes are worth far more than the 17.4 million votes that the British people cast two and a half years ago.
They can be ignored by the 480.
Well, isn't that just typical European politics at this point?
Exactly.
Well, in Europe, of course, if you have a vote and you vote the wrong way, you have to keep on voting until you get it right.
That's another thing they want, of course, across the road as well.
The denial of democracy.
Do you think that they're going to force a second referendum upon us?
I think that that's what they want.
I've no idea what the internal arithmetic is across the road.
There's so much chaos over there.
I mean, Theresa May is not leading anything, least of all herself.
You know, she's not the captain of the ship.
She's just a sort of barnacle on the hurdle.
Well, yeah, I mean, it seems that there's a kind of fog of war in there at the moment, and nobody really understands what's happening.
And I guess we'll get it all straightened out when they've done their various votes today, won't we?
Yeah, well, I mean, the Conservative Party is in complete meltdown.
And it's difficult to see how it can survive, but I suppose they will survive because they've survived for 300 years, and there have been all manner of hypocrisies and chicanery in the past, which they've survived, not least taking us into this god-awful European Union, which I remember because I've been campaigning against it since I joined the Anti-Common Market League in 1967.
If you can imagine a time so impossibly remote.
I can't.
That's actually before I was born.
But what I can imagine is Labour's betrayal of what was otherwise their Eurosceptic position.
Why do you think this has happened?
I mean, Labour opposed the entry of Britain into the common market.
And in 1983, when I was elected to the House of Commons, Labour were committed in that manifesto to leaving the European Union.
And of course, they've done a complete vault fast now.
They no longer represent the working class.
They are now the party of the elites.
What do you think changed?
Why do you think they did it?
It all changed because when Jacques Delors was the president of the European Commission in the 1980s, he explained to them how they could use the Brussels back door to get around the Thatcherite reforms.
And because the EU has got a big state agenda, they want to regulate and rule and run everything and tell us how we live our lives, even down to what we can eat and drink or not, as the case may be, what time we get up in the morning perhaps in due course.
Indeed, in a minute, it'll be what kind of porn we can work.
Exactly.
And so that suits Labour down to the ground.
They're entirely happy swimming in this pond.
Yeah, they are very much the sort of the regulators, aren't they?
So, I mean, a lot of people don't seem to realise that UKIP is becoming essentially a kind of libertarian party now that stands for the actual freedoms of the individual in the face of every other party that we have.
I mean, why should people vote UKIP?
Well, people should vote for UKIP because we are the only party that actually does have populist policies.
It's not just on Brexit.
Let's take green taxes, for example.
Wales is the poorest part of the United Kingdom.
A quarter of the households in Wales live in fuel poverty.
They spend more than 10% of their income on heating.
And yet the Welsh Labour government signs up to all this green crap agenda, which adds 25% to people's electricity bills.
So people in the winter on low incomes have to choose from eating and heating.
UKIP's the only party to oppose that.
So the Labour government is actually, in their sort of idealistic way, putting themselves in opposition to the finances of working class people in Wales.
Yeah, exactly.
And they want to tax fatty foods, for example.
And they put a tax or minimum price for alcohol in Wales.
UKIP's the only party that's opposed any of these things.
I'm a member of the Welsh Assembly as well.
And so I put the libertarian case for giving people the right to choose for themselves how they want to live their lives.
Government should not be in a position to tell us what to do.
It's my life, not theirs.
And in addition, I mean, excess regulation just depresses the idea.
It depresses business anyway, doesn't it?
Absolutely.
And so they believe in a high-tax agenda so that they can spend our money on things that they want rather than things that we want.
So I think if I could summarise what you're saying, is the Labour Party must be evicted from Wales.
Yes, but not just the Labour Party.
The Tories and Cloud Cymru as well.
They're all the same.
It's just a miasma, really.
And UKIP stands against the Cardiff Bay Consensus in the same way that UKIP stands against the Westminster Consensus.
The Westminster bubble and the Cardiff bubble are one and the same.
Thank you very much.
I really appreciate it.
Hello, everyone.
I'm interviewing Mike Hookham, the MEP for Yorkshire and North Lincolnshire.
How you doing, Mike?
Stand up, it's a leader of UK Independence Party.
I'm doing very well.
Very exciting day.
A lot of people out there on the streets now fighting for Brexit.
And so what do you think is going to be the result of the deliberations in Parliament today?
As it has been for the rest of the week, Tuesday, I was here, Tuesday night, when she got an absolute drumming again.
They voted against Theresa May's deal.
Last night, they voted against a no deal, which basically they couldn't do anyway, because legally it's in the charter that if we don't have a deal, we will be leaving on a no deal.
Tonight, they're going to vote on should we extend Article 50.
And that will go through.
They will vote on that.
They will say we're going to extend Article 50.
But as Verhofstadt said this week, in the deal, if we have no deal, we leave on a no-deal.
So they can't vote against that.
That's what's going to happen.
We leave on a no-deal, which is very beneficial to the people of this country.
And so I noticed that Michelle Barnier was saying, well, what's the point of even extending it?
Because we're done negotiating.
Do you think there's going to be any kind of give from the European Union at this point?
Well, again, he's correct because she's lost this thing twice, massively.
She's going to check it again next week and going to put it to the parliament to vote for her deal, which is a terrible deal.
And if you all remember, she said, you know, no deal is better than a bad deal.
Well, this is a terrible deal.
So she's going to put it to them again.
And they're right.
If you're going to have an extension, what is the reason for that extension?
You've got to say, we want an extension because.
Well, because what?
Because you're going to put this deal again to the Parliament, which you're going to get voted on again.
This is ridiculous.
This woman, how is she still the Prime Minister of this country?
She doesn't have the confidence of the party.
She doesn't have the confidence of the Parliament.
She doesn't have the confidence of the country.
So why is she still the Prime Minister of this country?
She should step down.
Theresa May, you are stubborn.
The country is not looking for stubborn, they're looking for leadership, and you are not a leader.
You know, so why should we extend this thing?
March the 29th, we walk out, 11 o'clock.
I am redundant.
Happy days.
We walk away.
But this is not going to happen because these people, Theresa May is a remainer, her parliament is a remaining parliament.
The Bolsheviks, Jeremy Corbyn, are remainers.
Nothing's going to change.
What is the reason of asking for an extension?
The extension means nothing.
Hang on.
Barnier actually said that, I mean, they literally said, we have the deal we want, and it's up to Parliament now to sign it.
And they've said they're not going to renegotiate it.
That's the deal they want, but it's not the deal we want.
The deal we want is what Gerard Batten wrote about four or five years ago: we say to the European Parliament, we want to work with you.
We do not want to.
You're not our enemies.
We want to work with Europe and with the 27 nations.
We want a free trade deal, and this will be a bilateral deal with Europe and with Great Britain.
We're very happy with that.
But hey, if you don't want that, we're going to walk away on a WTO and we'll be not crashing out, we'll be actually cashing in.
Because again, the government this week has already said 87% of imports into Great Britain will have zero tariffs on imports.
So they're fighting for 37%, which is the car industry and different little products, whatever.
As a country, we are the laughingstock of the world, and we have to put it down to Theresa May and the Conservative government to bring it down.
But they're in league with the Labour government, the Labour Party, you know, the Labour Party should be hard remain at this, hard leave at this point.
God, we haven't got a government, well, a Labour government that actually is fighting on our behalf.
The Bollinger Bolsheviks, the Champagne Socialists of Jeremy Corbyn, are not fighting for the British working man and woman.
Jeremy Corbyn's never done a day's work in his life, and probably none of the Labour Party MEPs that's in this thing over here has done a day's work in their life.
They've never, ever worried about can I pay for the electricity, can I pay the rent?
Have I got a job on Monday?
None of them have ever had that worries.
I'm sorry, there's only one party that's fighting for the British working man and woman, that's the UK Independence Party.
Thank you very much.
Thank you.
Hello, everyone.
I'm talking to Madalena, the EU Supergirl.
What's with the guitar today?
Smart EU guitar.
It was donated to the cause, the blue guitar, put stickers on.
And I've just come along to sing some songs, and it's caused quite a reaction.
How do you feel about Parliament undermining democracy today?
I don't think they are undermining democracy.
This is the democratic process that we have in the UK.
This is how it goes.
So what if they actually vote to extend and we don't actually end up leaving the EU?
That's perfectly fine by me.
The first vote was an opinion poll.
It was advisory only.
Yes, and it was won through criminal activity.
So I don't agree that there was one through criminal activity.
I think the vote was fair.
But the Conservatives were very clear that they were going to implement what was decided.
In what, the general election or...?
In the referendum.
In the referendum.
Well, I don't vote for the Conservative Party, so.
Well, no, but you voted in the referendum, didn't you?
Yeah, but it was not legally binding.
It doesn't have to be.
It's still democratic.
So.
What I mean is if you participated in an election, you expect the result of the election, the referendum, sorry.
You expect the result to be implemented regardless of what the result is, surely.
Otherwise, you wouldn't participate in it.
Yeah, but it wasn't legally binding.
Yeah, but you're only saying this because you lost.
I actually think we all lost.
If you look at the consequences of Brexit for the whole country, the damage to the GDP growth, particularly a no-deal.
How much damage is that?
The government's own economic impact assessments say 2 to 8%.
If it's a no-deal crash out, that's 8% damage to GDP growth.
But they're forecasting 1.6% growth per year, which is faster than Germany.
No, they're not.
Yes, they are.
Was it Jeremy Hunt who announced it in Parliament yesterday?
Yesterday, they announced that they've just downgraded the economic forecast for the UK.
But they still think for the next six years it's going to be 1.6% a year.
Yeah, but no, because they predicted 8% damage to GDP growth.
I don't know what figure you're using.
It was announced in Parliament.
I can't remember who it was.
Yeah, but this was something that was announced yesterday in Parliament that we're predicting 1.6% growth.
I mean, like, we don't have the numbers in front of us, so there's no point arguing, I guess.
But I mean, do you not think that, like, so I saw some figures that suggested that, like, for the next, say, till 2030, it's going to cost us about 100 billion to stay in the EU.
If we use May's deal, the BBC thought it was going to cost about 100 billion, and if we Brexit, hard Brexit now, it's going to cost us about 100 billion.
So really, the money doesn't really matter because it's going to cost us the same either way.
Okay, so if the money's not important, and I never focus on the economic arguments anyway, what about all the other shit that we're set to lose from leaving the EU?
I don't think any of it matters.
I think the principle of upholding democracy is more important than anything.
I don't believe the vote was democratic, so we're just fundamentally a loggerhead there.
I guess so.
I don't agree with you.
Well, that's fine.
I mean, I not only don't believe that it was a democratic vote, but I also believe that the consequences of Brexit on society from withdrawing from EU programmes, from no longer having legislation, which I think has benefited the lives of UK citizens in this country, I just think it's bad for everyone.
Well, anything the EU could have done, we can do ourselves, can't we?
Not necessarily.
Why not?
Well, if you just look historically, like the environmental legislation that the EU's implemented in the last 40 years, like, I don't know, Margaret Thatcher was never going to put that through, was she?
Well, she's dead.
Well, yeah, obviously, but like, yeah, like the Conservatives have a really bad track record on the environment.
I don't know, they seem like leftists to me.
What?
It's Conservative.
Yeah.
Okay.
That's if, you know, from your point of view.
Well, they're not exactly free marketing libertarians, are they?
They're not very left-wing to me.
Well, they want to increase the size of the NHS, they're happy with mass immigration, they're increasing social services.
They're going to make a contribution to our I'm not debating the question of it.
I'm just saying they are following Labour's agenda, aren't they?
No.
I think the Labour's following Conservative agenda.
That's my point.
They're both in bed together.
They're both basically the same.
With the DUP as well.
Oh, God, don't even give me side.
So the problem fundamentally is that our politicians are shit.
Yeah, I agree with that.
need a better electoral system I mean I think I think proportional representation would be a good idea yeah I think that UKIP should have a proportional representation in vote in Parliament as much as Greens or Lib Dems Totally agree, totally agree.
So what we fundamentally need is just...
Revolution?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Political revolution.
You know, we need democratic reform.
I agree.
I completely agree.
That's why we're in this mess, why the country's so divided because uh, people's views aren't being um, accurately represented in the parliament and people feel frustrated and um and, and that's why they're coming out on the streets and singing at each other.
Well no I, I actually really agree with you and I I think there's the kind of the two-party con sorry chaps the the, the two-party consensus is causing this kind of pressure to build up because they're not satisfying groups on any side of the debate really, and they seem to be just self-serving at this point.
Yeah, I totally agree.
There we go.
Some common ground.
I really appreciate the interview.
Thank you very much.
Hey, everyone, some roving reporting in the dark outside of Parliament.
It's been quite an exciting day, actually.
There's been real knife edge on a bunch of different issues.
Most things have been knocked down by the Parliament.
The second referendum, particularly, was completely destroyed by Labour abstaining from the vote.
And we have just seen a motion passed where if the Parliament doesn't pass Theresa May's surrender deal before the 20th of March, they're going to have to go back to the EU and ask for an extension that is at the EU's pleasure, apparently.
But basically, this means I think it's definitely likely that we're going to be extending past the Brexit deadline on the 29th of March.
So effectively, we're stuck in for the time being and we're probably going to have MEP elections.
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Thank you all so much.
And honestly, this has been so high energy.
All the Brexiteers are very, very happy.
And there have been quite a few chants of woe, Tommy Tommy.
It's a real shame you couldn't be here.
But apparently he had a date with the Cambridge PD to sue them today.
So that's fun.
So the God Emperor has been active on Twitter, obviously, in favour of Brexit.
There was a report in the BBC where Trump was saying it would be unfair to have a second referendum.
And he's completely correct.
Thank God Parliament agreed with him as well, eh?
But no, the God Emperor has been on our side on this, so that's good.
And he also tweeted out how he was offering the UK the biggest ever trade deal or whatever it is, you know, whatever hyperbole.
But that's good too.
But yeah, so at least we've got allies in America at this point.
And to all the Americans watching, read all your comments.
Thanks.
Honestly, thanks so much for all the support.
I tell you what, man, 1776 feels a lot closer now, doesn't it?
But yeah, we're going to be kind of stuck in the EU for the foreseeable future.
But I don't think it'll be forever.
And who knows what happens next?
MEP elections coming up.
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