Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin - Never Outshine the Master

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May 21, 2017 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin

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Never Outshine the Master

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	So I wouldn't usually do a video like this on my main channel, but another YouTuber called Thunderfoot put out a video that was specifically about me and I felt so unrepresentative and deliberately so in places that I just had to respond.
	The video is about this.
	You see, there was this guy called this skeptical feminist, and he was the president of the Western Colorado Atheists and Freethinkers, who, by all accounts, got high on mushrooms, got paranoid, and thought that one of the girls who he lived with was trying to kill him.
	So he shot her and she died of her wounds in the car lot later.
	The guy who did the shooting himself was by all accounts a jerk.
	A hardcore jerk.
	Um, had the life of her children threatened in a credible way.
	Are you in favor of death threats to motherfucking children?
	Hey, fuckface.
	Come at me, bro.
	Come on.
	Come on.
	How about you step up and you threaten a fucking adult, you worthless, squirmy, coward piece of shit.
	As you can see, we knew who he was.
	He had been quite active speaking to the community of YouTubers who are opposed to feminism, social justice, Black Lives Matter, Islam, those sorts of people.
	Generally called the skeptic YouTubers, but I don't even know why that name was chosen, to be honest.
	But anyway, so Thunderfoot's video, he wants to distance himself, which is fine.
	I'm more than happy to do that.
	And I've done it for many other people.
	I've taken down debates, I've unfollowed, all that sort of thing.
	On request.
	So that's not a problem for me at all.
	What is a problem for me is what appears to be a deliberate attempt to misrepresent my views.
	And I don't even know why he would do it.
	So how did YouTube's skeptical community deal with this?
	Well, a feminist got triggered.
	Yeah?
	For the final time.
	For the last.
	As I said before, like, too soon is literally five seconds before it happens.
	That's when it's to say as well.
	But I want to say, can I praise the shooter really quick?
	That was two different sections of the live stream edited together with no indication that they weren't congruent.
	They aren't.
	But more importantly, I'm interested in the parts where I am actually the one speaking if I am to be the one on trial.
	The first half of his clip was from the beginning of the hangout, and I will play the beginning of the hangout for you so you can get a feel for the tone, tenor, and for what I have said in it.
	Hey guys, I'm here.
	We're going to- And I am destroying the intro.
	You destroyed the intro, Cloud.
	Well, a feminist got triggered.
	Yeah?
	For the final time.
	For the last time.
	As I said before, like, too soon is literally five seconds before it happens.
	That's when it's to say.
	Okay, so I actually actually don't think we should be enjoying this.
	I'm not enjoying this.
	The woman got killed, and he wants to be part of any group that I care about.
	The point of the stream was dark humor, and you can see that me saying we shouldn't make jokes about this is the first thing I say in the stream.
	Mysteriously, this doesn't make it into Thunderfoot's video.
	I don't know why.
	I'll play you another minute or so of the beginning of the stream so you can see the context in which we are framing this.
	We are concerned with the meta-discussion of what has been going on with our community and the social justice communities and various other ideological groups on the internet.
	Right, now that we got the moral fagging out of the way, let's actually do this.
	I like the fact that some of the SJWs on Twitter, according to Louis, or was it Bozalo, who said it.
	They might be starting to go, it's like, oh, Sargon of Akkad had a mass murderer on his stream because, you know, they have to exaggerate it a bit.
	I'm looking around.
	It's amazing how many people have actually interacted with this guy.
	Yeah, that's the thing.
	Yeah, no, no, no.
	The turning around thing isn't really new because, you know, in my last video, I revealed that one of them blackmailed someone.
	Did they?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Impersonated them and blackmailed them.
	Extortion and blackmail.
	I literally had Garrett Jabba the cuck turn up and say well that means he was one of you guys Like, if anyone's the accusation that this was, you know, we're responsible for having this person on our stream or anything like that.
	He was with Christy Winters, just to point it out.
	Like, he had probably a lot of feminists on his channel as well.
	So it wouldn't work in their favor to say, oh my God, you had a criminal on your show.
	It's interesting how he was friends with Christy Winters, wasn't he?
	I wonder if she has, you know, if she thought, well, his mental state is unstable or something like that.
	We know these people.
	We have a history dealing with these people.
	And we often have rivalries and competition with these people.
	Specifically, many of us have that with Russian Deadpool.
	and the jokes were at his expense when you say things like this yeah come and join the skeptic community where we make fun of people who die in tragic gun related shootings and are proud to use it to push on narrative If your idea of fighting a culture war is proud of being Westboro Baptist Church on steroids, I want nothing to do with you.
	Again, you seem to be deliberately leaving out the context.
	It's not like I or even anyone else that I know has a habit of finding victims of terrible tragedies and then mocking them to their faces.
	This was someone we knew and there is certainly a comic irony of a man who pontificates about not murdering the women you love, gloom going ahead and murdering the women he loves.
	And again, it only matters because we knew him.
	But what appear to be deliberate misrepresentations don't stop there.
	This was about a guy having a psychotic episode with a gun.
	To pin this act on feminism makes no more sense than trying to pin the Elliot Rogers shooting as an act of misogyny.
	Preaching about higher ethical moral standards while callously using a tragic shooting to push an agenda before the body was even cold.
	You're now at the Westboro Baptist Church type levels where dead people are just an ideological tool for you to exploit to push your narrative.
	Hell, the guy who did the shooting was a president of an atheist society.
	Yet the religious right have been pushing this one tenth as hard as your effort to push the narrative that this shooting was because he was a feminist.
	That didn't happen though, did it?
	I know this because I was on the stream and then I had to re-watch the stream to do this video.
	That was not the narrative being pushed on the stream.
	These were my exact words.
	Well, I'm curious, like, are we going to hear like this had nothing to do with feminism?
	Well, to be fair, it didn't have anything to do with feminism, probably.
	And I don't think it did.
	I, like you, came to the conclusion that it was probably the fact that he had mental health problems, which is why I wondered if someone like Christy Winters had noticed a weird change in his behavior.
	And you also said this.
	Sorry, guys, but if your response to an unbalanced guy picking up a gun and blowing away an innocent girl is joking about it before the bodies even call.
	Well, that actually wasn't our response.
	Have a listen to, say, Kraut's response when we actually finally got some information.
	Because remember, the stream you were responding to began with virtually no information on what had happened.
	But the perpetrator, alleged, had violent tendencies, but he may have had a PTSD related episode.
	So neither of them had violent tendencies, but he may have had a PTSD-related episode.
	Oof, that's not that's that sounds really horrible.
	I've asked if she can come on the stream, but she can't at the moment, unfortunately.
	Jesus Christ, that sounds really fucking horrible.
	And compare that to the speculating that we did on what other people would do if this had been a different situation.
	No, imagine if he was alt-right, like you would see on The Guardian.
	It would be from the New York Times.
	Richard Type kills women.
	Imagine if Richard Spencer murdered a woman.
	Jesus Christ.
	Well, it would be like in a long straight.
	We were not laughing at her.
	We were not laughing at the fact that someone had died.
	We were laughing at the fact that Russian Deadpool was hideously ironic in his feminism.
	Not that that's representative of feminism.
	That's representative of Russian Deadpool, the guy who shot his girlfriend.
	And don't be wrong, we probably could have done better.
	We probably could have just blamed it on men in general, couldn't we?
	But no, we didn't.
	We said he was the one with the problem, and it seemed to be that he had psychological issues.
	That was based on minimal information on our part as well.
	You're not fighting any culture war.
	Seriously, how many minds do you think you're going to change with arguments like this?
	Look, compare it.
	A murder in real life involving a YouTuber or the death of Pepe in a video game.
	I'm pretty sure that I shouldn't have to say this, but that's not an argument.
	It's a joke.
	And I will let Sean Head explain to everyone why dark humour is funny.
	Jokes like this.
	I replaced her pepper spray with silly string.
	Anyway, that night she got raped.
	And jokes like this.
	No, but the thing is, is she's not gonna say no.
	She would never say no because of the implication.
	Are about the person telling the joke.
	The joke isn't rape is funny.
	The joke is rape is bad.
	So let's have a look at the second half of the clip that you edited together to make it look like it was a single clip from much later in the stream where Louis Levi, a friend of mine, is telling a self-deprecating joke.
	As well, but I want to say, can I praise the shooter really quick?
	I am laughing at Louis Levi.
	I'm not even laughing at Russian Deadpool at that point.
	I'm laughing at the idea that Louis can play with what is almost a straight face, the idea that he should be praised.
	It's a joke, and he told it well, and it was genuinely funny.
	And then it became a meta-joke about online communities in general.
	Specifically, it became a joke at the expense of the alt-right.
	Can I just say that at least he didn't take any shit?
	It's too soon to say that.
	He wasn't a cock, yeah.
	He's the new alt-right poster boy, Elliot Rogers.
	Yes, that'll be on his tombstone.
	Alt-right.
	No, at least that was all right.
	At least he wasn't a cuck.
	And we even made jokes at each other's expense.
	I bet the mainstream starts painting him as all kinds of things.
	He's not.
	He talked to Zargon, the misogynist.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Yeah, but he also talked to us.
	He's like an IRL misogynist.
	Calling Russian Deadpool an IRL misogynist was the one joke I could find that I made in that entire stream.
	Most of the time, I was just laughing at the ridiculousness of what other people were saying.
	And they were saying it in fun.
	It was banter.
	And it was done with good reason.
	You know why I love the internet?
	We get to look at this through a lens of a little bit of humor.
	Because if you were to be confronted with something like that, you wouldn't be in the position to make even a small fucking joke.
	Bodies aren't warm yet.
	Yeah, but unless I'm not claiming moral high ground.
	Like, I know I'm underneath the moral hill right now.
	You know, I'm in the ground when it comes to morality for making this video, so I'm not going to get on a high horse.
	We knew we were making deliberately dark jokes on purpose and that we were the focus of the joke.
	We were not simply pointing and laughing at some dead girl as you mischaracterized it.
	Yeah, like if Kevin Logan had said, yeah, but when I mocked Thunderfoot's dad dying of cancer, I put in the video title that there was a tabloid discussion of Thunderfoot's dad dying of cancer or call it gallows humor or dark humor or whatever.
	Sorry, that does nothing.
	It's just fucked up beyond all recognition.
	A, Kevin Logan mocked you directly.
	He directed his videos at you.
	They all did.
	All of the SJW community directed their videos at you.
	And that's not even counting the actual actions they've taken against you, such as the letter writing campaign to try and get you fired.
	We laugh at Russian Deadpool, which I think is totally legitimate.
	I think a male feminist who does something horrific to a woman is totally fair to be mocked.
	Because let's be honest, and as I pointed out on the stream, male feminists do seem to have problems with women, don't they?
	Fucking Christ.
	What is it with male feminists?
	I swear to God.
	Yeah, well, that's the thing, right?
	How many fucking convictions can we actually have?
	How many of you have to do that?
	I wouldn't go down route, to be honest.
	I wouldn't go that round.
	Normally they're sex offenders.
	That's true.
	We get convicted.
	Please show me the statistics proving this isn't the case, but I constantly see people who are feminists in social justice just ending up in prison for some reason.
	You know, this is great offenses.
	I'm not joking when I say that.
	Yeah.
	Better domestic battery, something to that effect.
	My favorite one was Devon Ferrari, where he started whining about Trump's pussy grabbing, and then some woman on Twitter was like, but you remember the time you grabbed my pussy, Devin?
	And he was just like, oh, I'm so sorry.
	I'm so sorry.
	Did you see that recently Dan Arroll, who is one of these people on Twitter who unironically has a black flag in their name?
	Yeah, unironic communist.
	Yeah, he said something to the effect of you should always believe people who, women who claim to have been raped.
	Yeah, and then people were accusing him of raping them.
	You know what?
	What if he's actually raised them, shockingly?
	What if it's actually done by one of those CIA niggers?
	No.
	That's a reference to Mr. Medicare.
	I think you find it was probably an FBI child sex work.
	There are actually loads of articles around about the sort of anti-GameGate male feminist types who are under charges for some kind of sexual abuse.
	And this is such a problem that Steve Shives has had to call this out.
	And this is probably the one time that I'm in complete, full-throated agreement with Steve.
	Hi, everybody.
	So yesterday, my friend JJ Talks posted a video on her channel talking about sexual harassment on YouTube or in social media in general, and specifically as it occurs within the social justice community or the feminist community in these kinds of circles.
	A lot of the people doing this, a lot of the guys doing this, are people who have spoken out against that very sort of behavior in public, who have posted videos, posted Facebook statuses, tweeted shit on Twitter about how horrible it is, how sexism is a terrible thing, and bullying and intimidation and sexual harassment of women by men is just awful and needs to stop.
	And they do that very same sort of thing themselves.
	You have no right to sexually harass people.
	And again, I feel so stupid for having to say that, but I have to say it.
	It needs to be said.
	Apparently, some people need to hear it.
	The fact that you are in the social justice community, the fact that you are a guy and you consider yourself a feminist, does not mean that you have a right to treat people this way.
	And I don't think that's a reflection on feminism, believe it or not.
	I actually think that's a reflection on the sort of man who becomes a male feminist.
	They don't compete.
	They figured out how to compete.
	They compete as allies, let's say.
	Very sneaky.
	Because seriously, we knew exactly what was coming, because moral grandstanding has been happening non-stop and it's really getting out of hand.
	I mean, do I have to get the Anna Kasparian clip?
	Because honestly, Thunderfoot, that's basically what your video was, except you did it dishonestly.
	I'm so sick at that.
	Like, okay, who are we hurting by making jokes?
	But probably just the guy.
	Just a moment.
	Listen, what if he's got his phone in jail and he's listening to this?
	No, but listen, listen, what if a relative of the victim actually finds the stream and watches it?
	She's going to be horrified by the jokes that we're making.
	That's why we need to censor that.
	We also presaged this conversation on the stream.
	Hell yeah.
	I love the way they'd be moral fagging over us and not him.
	These men and women are.
	Why does still ain't my word?
	Moral fagging.
	Because it's true.
	It's not even like a legit moral concern.
	It's just being.
	It's just one-upsmanship.
	That's all it is.
	And we were right.
	Nobody cares that a man with a mental condition, a pre-existing condition, decided to take mind-altering drugs.
	No one's bothered.
	It just doesn't matter.
	What matters is that we told some nasty jokes.
	I really don't care how they retrospectively try to justify this.
	You know, like, we used tabloid in the title.
	Therefore, everything that we said was okay.
	They're not okay.
	That is the point.
	That's what makes them funny.
	The whole point is that they are not okay to say.
	And yes, we are pushing boundaries when we say this.
	We are being edgelords.
	And no, it's not really funny.
	And that's the joke.
	It's at our expense.
	And we're happy to make it.
	And like I said, I honestly do not mind if you don't want to have any contact with me or associate or whatever.
	I honestly don't care that you've done this either.
	I don't care that you've morally denounced me.
	What I care about is that you've misrepresented me.
	That really bothers me.
	If you want to say, look, I don't appreciate you telling these kind of jokes, fine.
	I mean, I didn't.
	So, hey, don't worry about it.
	But I understand that I was present in a room with other people doing it.
	And if you want to say that's good enough, fine.
	I'm happy to accept that.
	But what you have done is manipulated footage to give an uncharitable result.
	And again, I really have to question just why you would need to do that.
	There were a couple of points in your video where you referred to the respective size of our channels.
	Dude, you're one of the biggest figures in this community of yours.
	Arguably the biggest, getting about twice the traffic that my channel does.
	Yeah, I know what sort of community you want to lead here, but I want nothing to do with it.
	I don't care that I have the biggest channel in the community at the moment.
	If I do, and I don't even know if I do.
	It's just not something that factors into my thinking.
	It's not how I perceive my relationship with other people through the lens of my YouTube channel.
	As far as I'm concerned, I am a man sitting in an office speaking to other people on social media.
	I don't consider myself to be competing with people in the alternative media who are critical of social justice.
	I don't see it as being a competition between us.
	I don't see the relevance of bringing up the various subscriber count and viewerships of our channels unless we're looking at this through the lens of power politics.
	I swear this calls to mind Robert Green's 48 Laws of Power, law number one, never outshine the master.
	And I think that this is kind of what's happening here.
	Because Thunderfoot had a huge channel and I had nothing.
	And he helped me along the way to grow.
	I mean, he liked a few of my videos and I would see my subscriber counts go up.
	And so he helped me grow.
	And I've always liked his content.
	I think that his debunking pseudoscience Kickstarters and that sort of thing, I think that's necessary to exist.
	I think that that's a genuine public service he's performing.
	This whole thing has been so unfucking charitable that I'm just sat here in awe that you felt the need to do this.
	And I can only assume that there has been some major emotional reaction that you're having here is something you felt you have to do to protect yourself.
	And the thing is, I know that you know you are pushing a narrative.
	If you just sat back, calmed down and actually analyzed what you've done here.
	You know you are because you explicitly refused to hear any criticism of what you have said.
	I really don't care how they retrospectively try to justify this.
	Don't worry, I don't have to justify it.
	I just have to show people what was actually said and the bits you decided to leave out.
	You know that the jokes we made were jokes.
	You know they were in bad taste.
	Deliberately so.
	You know there is not a moral equivalence between us and the Westboro Baptist Church.
	And you know that you are refusing to listen to anything different on this situation so you can say this to me.
	I feel like if you see memes like that or if you see people getting attacked or if you will sit back and have no emotion when you see unarmed individuals getting shot and killed, well then, I mean, look, you're a sociopath, right?
	And so I feel bad for you more than anything, right?
	And so if you want to attack me for being overly emotional or for passionately, you know, defending those who are defenseless, then go ahead.
	You can attack me all you want.
	But am I saying that I'm better than you?
	I guess I'm going a little further than you are.
	Yeah, I'm fucking better than you, okay?
	Much better than you.

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