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Dec. 2, 2016 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin
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Tomi Lahren Destroys Trevor Noah Over #BlackLivesMatter
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There's a young conservative commentator called Tommy Larin who's gone incredibly viral over the past couple of months and this attracted the attention of Trevor Noah on the Daily Show.
After the interview, which I hadn't seen at the time, I saw many people on social media saying things like, Trevor Noah destroyed Tommy Laren on Black Lives Matter.
I thought, well, that's very interesting.
I'll have to watch this interview.
And no, he fucking didn't.
She absolutely reamed him.
And I'll show you what I mean.
And I'm going to take the time to really hammer home the points that Trevor Noah conceded or just avoided.
And I'm really not going to argue that Trevor was operating in bad faith.
I don't think he was.
I think he doesn't really know that he's doing what he's doing.
For example, the beginning of this interview, he started by poisoning the well against Tommy by trying to imply that she was irrationally angry.
Why are you so angry?
I'm actually not that angry.
It's just there's things that need to be said, Trevor, and a lot of people are afraid to say them.
In an angry way, I mean, you can't say you're not angry, and I mean, this is what you're known for.
That was just tone policing, Trevor.
She's not known for being angry.
She's known for being strident and direct and honestly, on point, which is why so many people watch her videos.
Sometimes people just need to be called in their she's right, Trevor.
These people do need to be called on their bullshit.
You, in fact, need to be called on your bullshit, which is what I'm doing now.
And I'm not a particularly angry person.
It's just that there are some things that make me angry.
And the very idea that you think, well, you sh you don't have any right to be so angry.
Yes, they do.
The fact that you can't tell why so many people are so angry at the left.
And look, we've just been calling you racists for the past 10 years.
You can't be angry with us.
No, they can and they should be angry.
You know, I mean, when you say that you're though, what in particular?
This is the thing.
Protesting, you know, a fair and free election.
That to me, you gotta get called in your a little bit.
It's time to clear the streets.
It's time to accept reality.
It's time to move on.
Time to make America great again.
You consider yourself a conservative.
Notice how he didn't address that at all.
He just decided, right, okay, that's a point I can't debate, and so I'm just going to change the subject.
I'm going to slap a label on you, incidentally.
But seriously, both Hillary supporters and Remain voters get over it.
You have to deal with the fact that you lost.
And the best way to deal with that would be introspection.
Would be to look at yourselves and say, right, why did we lose?
You could blame it on a giant right-wing Russian-led conspiracy, or you can look at yourselves and realize that the thing you are offering people does not serve their needs.
In fact, in most cases, it's insanely bigoted and people are sick to the back teeth of you.
And you've done this to yourselves.
In terms of Black Lives Matter, like, you know, you have quite a record.
For somebody who is not racist, you have to spend a lot of time saying, I'm not racist.
I know you think that's clever, Trevor, but that is actually a damning indictment of your position and the people you defend.
So many people who you say are not racists have to constantly defend themselves against accusations of racism.
That is not a failure on her part.
That is a failure on your part and the people you are defending.
Remember this, Trevor.
Understand this.
Get this through your thick fucking skull, and anyone who supports Trevor needs to understand this as well.
You are responsible for her having to defend herself from accusations of racism.
When, by your own admission, Trevor, she is not a racist.
What is your biggest issue with Black Lives Matter?
I think, and I've said this many times, it started with good intentions.
I think it was.
It was well-intentioned.
The moment that they started pushing Hands Up Don't Shoot, which is a false narrative, proven time and time again to be a false narrative, the minute that that became their slogan, the minute that protesting turned into rioting and looting and burning and militant actions, that's when I lost respect for Black Lives Matter.
I just want to point out that she is 100% correct when she says Hands Up Don't Shoot was built on a lie, as this Washington Post article will inform you, to their chagrin.
As this author says, what the Department of Justice found made me ill.
Wilson knew about the theft of the cigarillos from the convenience store and had a description of the suspects.
Brown fought with the officer and tried to take his gun.
And the popular hands-up storyline, which isn't corroborated by ballistic and DNA evidence and multiple witness statements, was perpetrated by Witness 101.
In fact, just about everything said to the media by Witness 101, whom we all know as Dorian Johnson, the friend with Brown that day, was not supported by evidence or other witness statements.
The whole thing was bullshit, made up by his friend in an attempt to cover up the bad actions of Michael Brown.
Protesting turning into rioting and looting, that's not a Black Lives Matter phenomenon.
That is what happens when there is a protest a lot of the time.
Okay, Trevor, I want you to understand that it is a Black Lives Matter phenomenon.
It is also a phenomenon that can occur in other protests, for other movements.
And do you know what we do with those protests and movements when they become violent and start looting and burning and beating people because of their race, Trevor?
We say that they are not legitimate.
They are not upholding the standards we expect in our democracy.
And we make sure that they don't have free reign to go around looting and burning and beating Trevor.
We do not make excuses for them and say, well, I mean, you know, the rest of the movement's okay, apart from these people who are now chanting for dead cops, apart from these people who have started another riot in another city with exactly the same slogans and exactly the same methods, Trevor.
There were people who rioted and looted when teams won in Chicago years ago.
It doesn't mean that they are now bad people.
That's what happens.
There are some bad people in every instance.
So which one is it, Trevor?
Or is it the people who are not bad people are sometimes bad people when they happen to be in the middle of a Black Lives Matter riot?
Going back to Black Lives Matter, though, for you to say that, you say they have good intentions, they had the good intentions.
How are you labeling out the actions of a few and condemning an entire group?
I don't understand that.
Because A, this is a sizable minority within the group.
And the general attitude of the group is one that A, white people are all racist.
B, they're oppressing black people.
C, they're using the cops to do it.
And D, that makes all of the cops racist by definition.
The movement that these people choose to align with is fundamentally flawed, fundamentally rotten at the core, Trevor.
And I just want to say, you've just totally exonerated GamerGate.
You've just totally...
So let's assume that there were people in GamerGate who did harassment, targeted harassment for GamerGate.
Now, I didn't see any proof of this, but let's just assume it's true.
You have just exonerated the whole movement.
And I just want to stress that people in GameGate, the vast majority of people in GameGate, utterly disavowed those people.
You won't condemn Black Lives Matter.
You won't condemn the protesters in Black Lives Matter.
You will sit there and stumble over yourself, contradicting yourself by saying things like, well, I mean, they're not bad people.
I mean, there are some bad people, but they're not bad people.
Trevor, you can condemn these people and you should condemn these people.
There should be a zeitgeist within the movement that says something along the lines of violence is wrong.
It's wrong to hate white people.
It's wrong to just hate in general.
But there isn't.
There is, in fact, the opposite.
And we see it all the time.
Every time someone supporting Black Lives Matter is approached and gets a stage, a microphone gets on camera, they say something unbelievably bigoted.
So it's really hard to believe that Black Lives Matter isn't a movement full of bigoted racial supremacists.
A subscribe to the Black Lives Matter movement.
They say we are the Black Lives Matter movement.
fry em like bacon, F the police.
Look Trevor, they have a Black Lives Matter sign.
They are marching along a highway chanting pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon to block traffic.
If people choose to associate themselves with this and they don't denounce it, like you are not denouncing it right now, Trevor, what fucking opinion do you think people outside of this are going to take?
I mean, the very least you could do is condemn it in the most strident terms, but you don't.
You just simply ignore it.
You make excuses and say, well, yeah, yeah, but they're just the other people who are saying that white people are the problem.
I mean, you know, those people aren't rioting until they do riot, and then they're not really a problem.
But it's not these other people until they do it.
And do you see the point, Trevor?
Do you see the problem?
Do you see where your apologism is going?
There are a few people.
These are a few people.
This is not the Black Lives Matter pro that is not the platform, though.
Trevor, the platform is not separate to the demonstrators.
It is not separate to the people within it.
And this is a point that we'll cover a little later on in this video because you make this point a couple of times and it's absolutely facile every time you do.
But these people are representative of Black Lives Matter.
They will undoubtedly have been involved with Black Lives Matter for some time and the rest of Black Lives Matter accepts them, Trevor.
That's the difference.
That's why we look at them as representative.
The rest of the movement accepts what they're doing as legitimate activism for the movement.
I saw it in my city of Dallas.
I saw what a Black Lives Matter protest looked like.
And I saw five fallen officers because of it.
That's not fair.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, it is fair, Trevor, because the shooter said, point blank, shooter said he's doing this because of Black Lives Matter.
And he did, Trevor.
I'm going to use Wikipedia because A, I'm lazy, and B, it's well sourced.
And C, it gives you the mainstream narrative on a series of events.
The shooter did say that he wanted to kill white people, especially white officers, because he was upset about recent police shootings and the Black Lives Matter movement.
Another former co-worker said he seemed very affected by recent police shootings of black men.
A friend said that Johnson had an anger management problem and would repeatedly watch videos of a 1991 beating of Rodney King by police officers.
An investigation into his online activities uncovered his interest in black nationalist groups.
He's a fucking supremacist, Trevor, or he was.
I think he's been shot.
And you're making excuses for him.
You're making excuses for the movement that radicalized him.
If this was a Ku Klux Klan demonstration and one of their members shot a bunch of black people, you would be losing your fucking shit.
Yes, and there are many things you can say.
I mean, if you go outside, you can say anything about doing something because of you cannot deny that the man had mental issues as well and he was in a tough place.
Oh, right.
I mean, that's what people say about white shooters, isn't it, Trevor?
And then people like you, progressives, people who support Black Lives Matter say, oh, that's right.
Whenever it's a white shooter, it's someone with mental issues.
Obviously, these people have mental issues, Trevor.
Obviously.
But that doesn't change the fact that the people this person hung around with, the things he was interested in, radicalized him.
He didn't start by shooting white people and then going back and saying, you know what, I might check out the Black Panthers.
Just because you say the thing doesn't mean it's what it stands for.
I agree.
I agree with you completely, Trevor, which is why people think actions speak louder than words.
And no matter what pretty, pretty words come from the mouths of D.Ray McKesson or Sean King, the actions of Black Lives Matter will always be heard more clearly.
Right?
Because you're the same person who argued on your show that just because Donald Trump has supporters from the KKK doesn't mean he's in the KKK.
That is not the same thing at all.
Donald Trump is a single individual, a political candidate, who is supported by many people and has been very clear on his disavowment of the alt-right and any white nationalist violence that's coming from them.
He was very, very clear on this point.
You, as a sympathizer of Black Lives Matter, are refusing to denounce the people who are making you look bad.
The people who are actually causing problems.
You are refusing to do it.
Do you see the difference, Trevor?
You can't decide who supports you, I agree.
But the people who are, I don't know, the thought leaders of Black Lives Matter must ostracize those problem groups.
You can't allow them to be part of your movement because they will taint it.
In the same way that Donald Trump literally had to say.
I'm very surprised to hear that.
I was like, I hate to hear that.
I am so saddened to hear that.
And I say, stop it, if it helps.
I will say this, and I'll say it right to the camera, stop it.
Why aren't you or other mainstream media celebrities who support Black Lives Matter saying the same things to the rioters, looters, and racists in Black Lives Matter?
Why are you giving them a free pass?
Why are you making excuses for them?
So it goes against them, obviously.
It goes against them.
You can't say he did it because he, the shooter, said I.
But Black Lives Matter has never said go out and shoot people.
Yes, they have, Trevor.
They absolutely have.
Did you miss the chant, Trevor?
You are talking about Black Lives Matter as if it is some entity that is separate from the people who make up the movement.
There are numerous Black Lives Matter websites and organizations, and just because they don't say that they want dead cops on their websites does not mean that there aren't many, many people in Black Lives Matter who do.
Just because you say the thing doesn't mean it's what it stands for.
And by the same measure, just because you don't say you stand for a thing doesn't mean you don't actually stand for it, especially if your actions make it look like you stand for that thing.
As we have already covered, Trevor, actions speak louder than words.
You know it, I know it, and when you have hordes of people all over the United States who support Black Lives Matter and loot and burn and beat and chant that they want dead cops, you have to own it.
If you don't, you can't deal with it.
What if somebody says, I felt emboldened by Tommy Laron, and so I went out and I shot black people.
Are you now responsible for that yours?
Trevor, it's not one or two people.
If you look at it, if you look at it in every city, look at the protests that have gone on in Baltimore.
I love this.
How many people is it?
How many people is it?
Look, if she can't tell you the exact number of people, that doesn't mean there aren't hordes of people chanting this, committing these crimes and doing these things.
Just because she doesn't have the exact number, doesn't mean it's not happening.
How many people was that, Trevor?
Oh, you don't know.
Well, I guess that means they weren't chanting.
What do we want dead cops?
When do we want it now?
In Ferguson, in New York City, the protests that have now turned to anti-Trump protests, these are not a few people.
This is mass crowds of people.
They're doing it in the name of Michael Brown.
They're doing it in the name of Freddie Gray.
They're doing it as the front of Black Lives Matter, and the mainstream media is emboldening these people.
Let's just stand on the okay, shall we, Trevor?
On the constant, okay, okay, okay.
Everything she's saying is true, and you're not even trying to address it.
Then let's use that same logic that you're using then, and then go, police, are the police racist?
Because police in many cities, you look at Baltimore, you look at what happened in New York, you look at what happened in the case of Walter Scott.
You tell me are police racists because they've been shown to harass black people unfairly.
They've been shown to shoot black people when they're unarmed.
Does that mean the police are racist then?
Because that's the same logic you're using.
There is no doubt that there are some police officers who are racists and that they express this racism through abuses of power against black people.
There is no doubt.
But the police are not an unaccountable mob.
And there are rules and structures in place to try and weed out the racists.
Now, don't get me wrong.
I am well aware of the failings of the police departments across the United States to not only prosecute police officers who did things wrong, but admit that they have failures.
But that doesn't mean they are the same.
They are not just some unsupervised mob.
And yes, there is cronyism and corruption within the police departments.
Nobody's doubting that.
But these are not the same things.
You're comparing apples to oranges, Trevor.
It's really not, though, Trevor, because the mainstream media is not emboldening them as a group.
It's not.
She's right, Trevor.
The mainstream media is overwhelmingly in support of Black Lives Matter, both in America and in the UK.
And yet they are incredibly critical, as they should be, of the police.
I can't give you hard evidence for this, but I can say anecdotally that I have spoken personally to American police officers.
And some of them have said that there is a culture of fear when dealing with black suspects.
Because if they have to shoot this person, and that goes viral, they become public enemy number one.
They know the media is going to lie about them.
They know that black supremacists are going to target them.
And they know their lives are going to be made a living hell.
And you in the media, Trevor, are fueling that.
And did you know that a black man is 18.5 times more likely to shoot a police officer than a police officer is to shoot a black man?
Those are statistics no one wants to talk about.
Here's the thing.
So let me ask you this then.
Oh, that's right, Trevor.
Let's just get off that hate fact as quickly as we can.
I mean, the audience was booing.
You wouldn't want to challenge them with anything that's really happening, would you?
So it doesn't make me a bad person.
It doesn't make me a racist to point out.
I mean, I've never used racial slurs to address people.
I've never looked down on someone because of their skin color.
To me, true diversity is diversity of thought, not diversity of color.
I don't see color.
I go after Hillary Clinton, and she's white as they come.
Oh, yes, the regressives are out in force.
She says she doesn't see colour.
My God, what?
What, is she a racist?
What are you going to say?
I don't treat people differently based on their skin colour.
Therefore, she's a racist.
Go on.
Make your argument.
Make your fucking argument.
I want to know why the audience is in shock and why Trevor is going to play up to that.
You don't see colour.
So what do you do at a traffic light?
Legend has it that Trevor Noah is a comedian.
I don't believe in that at all when people say that.
There's nothing wrong with seeing colour.
It's how you treat colour that's more important.
Holy shit, Trevor.
Holy shit.
You're a fucking idiot.
Before, I just thought you were totally unfunny, totally biased, and utterly unable to comprehend a worldview that wasn't already your own.
But now, I think you're a fucking moron.
Unless, of course, you are a supremacist.
And when you say, it doesn't matter that you see colour, it matters how you treat people because of their colour.
And you're asking for special treatment for black people.
Because what she's saying is that she doesn't treat people differently because of their skin color.
That should be your position, Trevor, as someone who I'm sure would describe themselves as an anti-racism activist.
If you want to end racism, you have to stop people acting on the fact that people are of different races.
And a shorthand way of saying that is by saying, I don't see colour.
You fucking twat.
You're right.
It is.
Here's my thing.
Like, all these points that you make are great.
And I do believe that you believe them.
And I don't believe anyone is actively trying.
There are a few people who are trying to be bad from their point of view.
But when I look at what you're saying, you say you're not pushing a racist narrative, you're criticizing.
Do you really believe you're criticizing and you're not malintentioned when you say things like Black Lives Matter is the new KKK?
Because you realize Black Lives Matter can't be the new KKK.
The KKK is still around.
That doesn't mean they can't be the new KKK, you dummy.
That just means they aren't the KKK, and they're not.
They're Black Lives Matter.
And generally, that means a bunch of black supremacists, Trevor.
They have not vacated their premises.
And most importantly, to say Black Lives Matter, the new KKK is to really, really minimize what the KKK did and what they stand for.
That is not the same thing.
Surely you understand the incendiary feeling of your comments.
You know that, surely.
And yet you're not refuting her at all.
You're not going through Black Lives Matter and saying, look, these people aren't actually black supremacists.
Because every time you pull out an example of a Black Lives Matter supporter, they are implicitly, if not explicitly, a black supremacist, Trevor.
It's controversial, but I think there are some things that need to be said.
And when the Black Lives Matter movement is going out with signs saying fry, I'm like bacon, F the police, when they're going out seeing if you see a white person target them, that is happening, Trevor.
That happened in Milwaukee not too long ago.
That is happening.
So when that now becomes the narrative and you're starting to loot, burn, and riot, what did the KKK do?
That is not, look, we'll go around in circles.
Did you say what did the KKK do?
No, what did they do?
When you're saying, listen, listen, Trevor.
Wow.
Trevor.
Honestly, Trevor, you remind me of someone who thinks that the earth is balanced on the back of a giant dog whistle.
And when they say, well, how does the dog whistle remain elevated?
You say, well, it's just dog whistles all the way down.
What do you mean, what did the KKK?
What did they do, Trevor?
What are they doing?
They're a tiny fringe organization that has no power.
They aren't staging massive marches through streets.
They're not rioting.
They're not looting.
They're not burning.
They're not beating people.
They didn't murder a bunch of cops.
At least in recent memory.
I mean, maybe around the turn of the century they may have done something like this.
But that was like 100 years ago, Trevor.
For fuck's sake, man, what are the KKK doing?
They're nothing.
They're totally irrelevant, except you are making them relevant.
You are making them into a thing by declaring them as your enemy and declaring that they're everywhere.
And this is something.
The Mizzou protests were just the most embarrassing thing, where you would literally get students lying that they had seen a racist cult meeting in the middle of their university.
Bullshit!
The only racist cult meeting in universities are Black Lives Matter meetings.
When you're saying, when there are people in the streets saying if you see a white person beat their ass, does that not sound reminiscent of the KKK or their motives to you?
And I beat up every white person!
Right up every white person!
Man, that white person come down!
Sharmy!
White are you!
He white!
Finish it!
What do you think, Trevor?
Do you think that might be something the KKK might say about black people?
I mean, I don't think it is, otherwise we'd see nothing but wall-to-wall KKK members saying that on mainstream media.
But it is the sort of thing they might say if they have the opportunity, isn't it, Trevor?
Do you see why she's saying they're like the new Ku Klux Klan?
Because they are.
They're racial supremacists and they're on the march and you're defending them.
God, it's so infuriating having to deal with your fucking bullshit, Trevor.
Is that the narrative of Black Lives Matter or are there people who are saying that within a crowd of other human beings?
Interesting point by Trevor Noah.
And now Trevor Noah is going to offer the rebuttal.
Just because you say the thing doesn't mean it's what it stands for.
Just because you have a lovely, very PC narrative about Black Lives Matter that you desperately want to cling to, that doesn't mean actions don't speak louder than words.
That doesn't mean your narrative is in any way resembling reality.
The reality on the ground is that this is a black supremacist movement that is violent and dangerous and wants to kill police officers.
This is the reality of what Black Lives Matter has done and I have proven it with video evidence, Trevor.
So I don't care what your narrative is because it's clear that your narrative does not represent reality.
There is a distinction between a movement and the people.
That is something that we keep coming back to.
There is no fucking distinction, you idiot.
The movement is the people that make it up.
If you have a movement that is made up of people who are racist, supremacist, psychotic, sociopathic, violent, criminal scum, then that's your movement, Trevor.
and however you'd like to romanticize it, is just you talking shit.
Until your narrative accounts for this...
HE WAIT!
Finish it!
Your narrative is worthless, Trevor.
But let's go back to what you were saying on Colin Kaepernick and the National Apple.
This is something I don't understand.
And when I watch your videos, I go, I truly do not understand.
Say Colin Kaepernick is exercising his First Amendment rights and you are exercising your First Amendment rights in criticizing him.
So, what you're saying is you have the right to say anything you want, so shut up.
No, not at all.
I'm saying I don't agree with what he did.
I think that he went about the wrong way.
I don't think he understands.
What is the right way?
When people say that, I'm always fascinated.
What is the right way?
Here's the deal.
So, here's a black man in America who says, I don't know how to get a message across.
If I march in the streets, people say I'm a thug.
If I go out and I protest, people say that it's a riot.
If I bend down on one knee, then it's not what is the right way.
That is something I've always wanted to know.
What is the right way?
The right way is not to attack people because of their race.
The right way is not to burn people's cars.
The right way is not to loot black-owned businesses because of a thief being shot when he attacked a cop.
Trevor, stop acting like these people are the victims of their own crimes.
They saw an opportunity to loot, to burn, to attack, and they took it because they wanted it.
And they think they can get away with it because of the political environment fostered by the media.
By people like you.
For a black person to get attention in America.
Take it out!
Trevor!
Taking it out on our flag and our national anthem to me.
But how?
Why would you take out your perceived oppression of black people out on the national anthem and our flag?
A country that you live in, a country that you benefit from, a country that people of all races have died for, have died to protect, have died for the vote, died to be enfranchised by this nation.
How do you then go and disrespect the flag and the anthem of that country?
But why is that the outlet?
Well, maybe you're a person who's lived and read through history and you realize that a lot of those people of every color who died for this country, some of them didn't have the rights that their fellow servicemen had when they came back to the country after fighting.
That was 50 years ago, and they will never get over it so long as people like you keep bringing it up.
You need to foster an environment of acceptance and moving forward.
What can black people do to improve their lot in a very direct material way through their own actions today?
What can they do to improve their lives?
There are many things they can do, and you should encourage them to do it.
You should promote a narrative of hard work, of ethics, of a personal responsibility.
I can already hear the autistic screeching of Marxist retards screaming about how I'm right-wing for suggesting that an individual should take responsibility for their own actions and their own lives.
But hey, what are you gonna do?
Maybe you're one of those people who realizes that the penal system in America was designed to oppress black people.
It was designed to enslave people.
It is a relic of slavery.
Trevor, did you just say the penal system itself is a relic of slavery?
You do know that they lock up white people as well, don't you?
I mean, you do know that like every white country, even ones that don't have black people, have a penal system.
I mean, it's not designed to lock up black people.
It's not designed to keep people enslaved.
Do you know what I hate most about this as well?
Is that your position?
Is so hyperbolic.
I am now forced to defend something I would otherwise like to attack.
I hate the American penal system.
I hate the way that it is done for profit.
I hate the culture of corruption and cronyism and protectionism that exists within many American police departments.
I hate these things and I would love to attack these things.
But your representation of these things is so distorted from what, as far as I can tell, objective reality actually is.
You are saying that the penal system is the legacy of slavery and is designed to imprison black people.
You're looking at the result, the fact that there are a huge number of black people in prison.
And you're saying, right, well, this system must have been designed for this.
Even though at every stage, you will not be able to identify a single instance, identifiable instance, of racism.
Not once would you be able to look at the case and say, right, okay, teenage boy, no father, mother's a druggie, joins a gang, deals drugs, gets arrested, gets a warning, or at least, you know, maybe a few months in jail.
Commits another crime, a burglary, got a previous record, gets a more harsh sentence.
Commits a third time, it's a shooting, three strikes, gone, straight to prison.
That's a story that's told over and over and over in certain communities in America.
And at no point could you point to the racism in that process.
And when, at the end of it, you're looking and saying, well, Jesus Christ, there are a lot of black kids in jail, you're going, well, it's because it's a legacy of slavery, isn't it?
It's because it's designed to perpetuate slavery.
It's because the whole penal system is designed to imprison black people.
What I'm saying, Trevor, is that your interpretation is the interpretation of a fucking idiot.
Again, you haven't answered my question of how.
How you want black people.
I'm just asking how.
And I'm asking you honestly, I'm not saying in a challenging way.
I'm saying to you, I don't know the answer apart from these methods.
Well, at least you're man enough to admit it.
How do you protest then?
I don't protest because I'm not a victim.
And that's the mindset.
I had a conversation a while ago with a chap who calls himself a hotep, which is a kind of black counterculture movement against Black Lives Matter.
And that's their attitude.
We are not victims.
I see their videos going around Facebook and Twitter quite a lot.
And they're always of the same sort of style because, I don't know, it's just the way they do things.
But it's always a chap in his car saying something like, you're an idiot.
You're doing this to yourselves.
Stop doing this to yourselves and all of this goes away.
And they're right.
It's an interesting place to be in because, honestly, you've won.
You know, like, your side has won, as you say.
You know, the liberal snowflakes are melting in the streets as they protest.
And now I would like to know from your side, genuinely, as someone who's won, do you believe that Donald Trump will follow through on his promises?
I will be a vocal opponent if he doesn't.
I don't care about his question.
I care about the fact that he can admit that they've lost.
Progressivism has failed.
It is a failed ideology.
People don't buy into it.
The majority of people look at it with revulsion when it spouts its tenets of faith at them.
They look at it and just turn away.
They revile it.
They will even vote for Donald Trump than vote for someone who supports it.
Do you understand the magnitude of the defeat of the left in the last year?
There's no wonder John Oliver's weeping, going, oh, 2016 is the fucking worst.
Yes, it is.
And you've made it this way.
You sat there and brewed a bigoted ideology in your echo chambers.
And now, after calling everyone who disagrees with you a racist, you've found most people are not on your side.
You didn't lose.
You defeated yourselves.
This is the final clip I'll play and watch his face.
Watch his body language.
Watch how he talks to her.
And watch how she talks to him.
The idea that anyone could take away that he won this debate is laughable to me.
I started seeing the effect he was having on people and the things that he was saying that was touching people and making them taking people.
He was.
He really was.
Hillary could do some of that every now and then, right?
Bill's a little busy.
Bill's a little busy.
I appreciate you being on the show.
Thank you so much for being here.
Thank you.
It is a conversation we should continue having.
Just look at this body language.
He looks like a defeated man.
He can't look her in the eye.
She's leaning forward, she's jabbing at him, she's smiling, she's confident, she's having a good time at his expense.
And look at this.
Just he can't even look at her.
Even when he goes to shake her hand, he glances at her and then looks down.
He can't maintain eye contact with her while she stares him directly in the face, smiling.
He got demolished by her because she was right.
Everything she said was accurate.
It was true.
All of the sources that I've used in this video will, of course, be in the description.
And I encourage you to take a read through them yourself.
Have a watch of these videos.
This is what's really happening in contrast to Trevor Noah's progressive narrative, the grand narrative about Black Lives Matter.
It's bullshit.
The reality is different.
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