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July 30, 2016 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin
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Because back back, you know, a few years ago, he used to actually care about the facts.
But now it's about not all.
Not all, not all, not all.
Of course, right?
Right?
Oh, Jesus, Cheng, shut up.
Just shut up.
Listen, no, no, no, listen.
Okay, right?
That's what it is.
You don't even talk.
Just do the research.
We're not going to put it up.
It'll be up later.
Because we're trying to have a conversation!
Alright, glad to be back.
Listen, we had this guest on not too long ago.
Not Gay Jared corrupted somehow the file.
We have to pre-tape him sometimes because he's all the way over there across the pond.
You know him.
You've seen his YouTube channels.
Brilliant guy.
One of my favorite guests.
Just Google, just YouTube, Sargon of a CAD, and he will show up.
That's 2Ks.
Sargon, thank you for being with us, sir.
Oh, my pleasure, man.
You know, second time.
Yeah, I know.
Exactly.
Second time to charm.
That's what they say.
Gosh, you have no idea how mad I was, too, because it was right after Brexit, and we did this interview, and then Not Gay Jared came to the next.
It was a weird week, too, if I remember right.
It was a weird time of trying to make up for it.
I don't, well, was that when I was traveling?
Traveling, and yeah, the Lee came on, she filled in, she was awesome.
Anyway, we have him on now.
So shut up.
It's not about you, Not Gay Jared.
Sargon, I apologize.
So it's not like there's any shortage of news here coming out of Europe.
Obviously with Normandy today, horrible.
Listen, do you think there could be a Frexit?
Do you think that that's the temperature of the water now in Europe, or do you think they'll never get it and they're just going to walk off the cliff of multiculturalism?
That's a good question.
The problem with a Frexit is that France is one of the core members of the EU.
They're really central to the European Union.
And so them leaving would be a very, I mean, I have trouble envisaging it.
It would be incredibly contentious.
But the problem that France is having at the moment is obviously Muslim terror attacks.
Same with Germany.
And this is causing a massive spike in people joining right-wing parties.
And I don't mean like conservative parties.
I mean the sorts of, you know, very far-right sort of things.
You mean like, yes, neo-Nazi-esque, but they still want socialized medicine.
It's a bizarre sort of.
Yeah, not quite.
I wouldn't describe them necessarily as neo-Nazis, but they're not far off.
Right.
I think it'd be inaccurate to call them neo-Nazis, but they're certainly very hardcore nationalists.
Right.
And yeah, and these people are very, very annoyed about all these terrorist attacks.
And they're very annoyed that the reaction from the establishment is effectively grin and bear it.
And I mean, we see that a lot from the regressive media, where they're literally like, you know what we need to do?
Nothing.
And it's like, no.
I'm not sure that's going to wash.
Right.
Well, I mean, I just wonder if there's got to be a different tact taken at this point.
So I know politicians can be slow to do that.
I'm just wondering as someone who lives in Europe if the temperature of the water with the people is that of like, I know at some point it's whispered and then it becomes action.
Is it at the point of people whispering?
Like, yeah, you know what?
I'm tired of this long term.
There are definitely, I mean, you've got the old rights.
They're very, very, very pro kicking Muslims out of Europe.
not all right um but i'm definitely the the see the problem the problem we have with this is that we don't really know why they're doing it um Because if you notice that, like, like with the Orlando Shooter, many of these people who, you know, commit themselves to ISIS don't really seem to have any actual ties to ISIS.
And they don't, the only thing that we really get is that, you know, they downloaded some ISIS propaganda from the internet.
And so it seems to be people self-radicalizing, or at least some of them, seem to be self-radicalizing without actually having any ties to any larger terrorist organizations.
And this has been something that's come out of a few of these now.
And a lot of these people seem to have had mental or emotional issues as well.
And so it's kind of the Islam is kind of.
I mean, it's not necessarily that this is an Islamic thing, although it is obviously deeply tied to Islam.
It's that these people are probably doing what any religious zealots would end up doing if for some reason they felt they needed to atone in a religious way for any sins or misdemeanors or anything they've committed.
I think it's quite easy for them to then say, right, okay, well, if I just kill the kuffars and kill myself, I'll be a martyr.
I'll get to go to heaven.
But the thing is, we never catch any of these people alive.
So we don't actually know why they're doing it.
But that is a distinctly Muslim thing to atone for sins.
The only guaranteed shot to heaven is through jihad, right?
I was trying to be diplomatic.
It is diplomatic.
It is a very Muslim thing.
Yes.
Well, here's something I would throw at you.
It's not necessarily something all Muslims are going to do or in danger of doing.
No, they're not.
Yes.
No, you're right.
Listen, obviously, not all Muslims.
But I was.
I didn't want to go down the knottle.
Yes, exactly.
I understand it.
Listen, don't worry about it.
You're with friends here.
Here's my thing, though.
We had a woman on who was leaving.
We had to keep her name covered up because she had left Islam and her husband was trying to take her children.
She said, listen, it's very common.
And I watched people in Canada who laughed when the World Trade Center towers hit.
I spoke with a lot of Muslims who were like, well, it's not necessarily a bad thing.
She said, listen, when it comes down to siding with the Taliban or the United States, nearly everyone sides with these what they view as pseudo-terrorist organizations, but they view as a result of destabilization of the West.
She goes, almost invariably behind closed doors, this is what these people are going to say.
This is why all mosques can act as Sharia courts.
Not every Imam is a Sharia judge, but every mosque has to have at least one or it can't be a mosque.
They're acting within their own system of law.
So my thing is, I don't think it's necessarily self-radicalizing through mental illness.
It doesn't require terrorism from their families and their directly surrounding support structures for it to be, okay, next step, this.
Yeah, I wouldn't say they're self-radicalizing through mental illness.
I think it's people who are, and I wouldn't even necessarily term this as mental illness.
Okay.
But, you know, some sort of people, you know, the sort of people that you meet who are maybe a bit high-strung.
And yeah, like Jared.
Yeah.
But they're not necessarily mentally ill.
But the thing with these sort of ideologies is they can make good people do bad things.
And they can make people who aren't necessarily good people think it's perfectly okay to do terrible things.
And it just, it is, it is about Islam.
I mean, they obviously think that they're going to die, go to heaven, get become martyred.
All their sins will be forgiven.
I mean, this is why, like, with the 9-11 attackers, people are like, well, they can't have been real Muslims because they were out drinking and smoking and seeing prostitutes.
It's like, yeah, but you have to understand, they think all of these sins are going to be washed away.
Exactly.
So they can go and indulge in whatever they want, and now God's going to clean their soul, or however it works.
It's sort of like the early Catholic Church with the indulgences, only pipe bombs.
Absolutely.
And you're right when you say it's an Islamic thing that they go and kill the kufars.
It's not something that other religions do.
But the other, I mean, you know, with other religions, you would have a different response from a sinner who wants to atone for their sins in the religion.
You know, a Buddhist monk might go and live on top of a mountain for the rest of his life or something.
I don't know.
But in Islam, and this is what drives me crazy when people say Islam is a religion of peace.
It's like, based on what?
Based on what?
How many Muslim countries have a scimitar on their flag, just out of interest?
You know, they'll have something like, you know, something in Arabic, probably God is great, and then a scimitar, and it's like, yes, this is a religion of peace.
It's like, I don't know about that.
I mean, it seems like kind of a warlike ideology that came out of the seventh century.
Let me ask you this, because you're a very, you know, I was just talking with Nakajir about this.
You know, you have a very high play count for someone with your subscribership on YouTube.
And you're one of the few things that if you pop up in my feed without me checking my subscriptions, I'll watch because of what you have to say.
You're insightful, you're thoughtful.
So I think a lot of people really like what you have to say.
And obviously, you're a very thoughtful, you know, atheist.
We've had some discussions on that, which hopefully we'll have more.
Let me ask you this, though.
From a purely pragmatic standpoint, I think you and I both agreed that Europe is significantly more secular than the United States, right?
Oh, yeah.
Would you think, would it be reasonable to say that Europe's secularism has somewhat made it vulnerable to the encroachment of Islam?
I wouldn't say so.
If anything, I think Europe's secularism is eventually what's going to destroy Islam.
Okay.
Because it's been faster there, obviously, than the one place where it isn't happening yet is the United States.
Yeah, but that's not because it won't.
That's because you don't have very many Muslims.
One thing that I find very interesting about many Muslims who come to the United Kingdom, and I can't speak for other places in Europe, but I definitely know about Muslims in the United Kingdom because I went to university in Coventry.
And this was in 2001.
And there was already a very large Muslim population there.
And there was just this pattern you kept seeing where the parents would be incredibly Islamic and they would require their child to go to the mosque and all this sort of thing.
And when the child was away from their parents, they were very, very English.
And they had no interest in religion.
They had no compunction drinking or anything like that.
And it was pressure put on them by the parents.
Now, I mean, this isn't every single case, obviously.
Hashtag not all.
That's necessary.
Otherwise, it'll be on the Young Turks highlight reel.
Yeah, tell me about it, man.
It pisses me off that every time, you know, oh my god, it's every single one.
I didn't say everyone.
No.
Anyway, and so I think, honestly, a lot of these young people were very happy with the sort of English way of doing things.
Sort of just the secular free society.
It's a lot, I mean, and one thing about it, it's a lot less highly strung.
You know, it's a lot of work to police someone else's actions, but we don't have to do it.
I think, though, I would disagree in the sense that I think you've seen it that way.
I think most people with sort of a Western mindset would see it as, hey, listen, a free secular society.
I think a lot of Muslims, especially being raised with a lot of them in my high school at Centennial, see it as a weakness, as this decadent sort of the more secular, the more godless society it is, we can fill that void.
Whereas in the United States, there isn't that same void because there are sort of the, there's the Judeo-Christian backbone, which, like Lucy, is still more so there than Europe, just from a pragmatic standpoint, where it's not a hole that they feel they can fill so readily.
I just felt that living in Canada versus the United States, that that was a big part of sort of keeping it at bay.
I could be wrong.
I was just wondering your thoughts as a breaks.
Honestly, I'm actually not worried about the sort of religious encroachment of it because like I was saying, most Muslims seem to be fairly secular that have been raised here.
And British people are not interested in religion.
They are just not interested.
It's quite social taboo.
But they are interested in the religion of tolerance and of political correctness.
Well, yeah, there is that.
But no, nobody wants to hear about God.
Nobody wants to hear about God.
Right, but my point is they filled that void, a lot of them, with, well, my ultimate God is political correctness and tolerance.
And let's make sure this is our number one priority.
And that's where their loyalties lie.
And that's easily exploited.
I mean, you see it with, well, you see it with Bernie Sanders.
Well, yeah, but I mean, it's not, they're not converting the native British populace to Islam, basically.
I mean, there are some British people who join this, you know, become Muslims.
But they're able to subvert their laws.
To find acceptance.
You know what I mean?
They're able to subvert their laws more.
They're generally losers, to be honest.
They're generally people who aren't very well accepted, who don't have many friends, and who are looking for something to join.
They're the same sort of people who become Mormons after they knock on your door or something.
Oh, God.
But most people are just not interested.
I'm going to get letters from men on bikes in short time.
I'm going to get letters from, yeah, yeah, I'll get nasty emails from.
But yeah, no, I'm not sure.
I'm not worried about them converting the natives.
It's not about converting, but that's what's allowed them.
See, you guys are like, I think, not you, obviously, specifically.
Again, not all of the British people.
That also argues.
But the point is, you know, when you look at sort of the systemic approach in Europe of we need to be tolerant.
Well, leave a mosque.
Well, we need to leave a mosque.
What about Sharia courts?
Let them do their thing.
We want to be tolerant.
And so this sort of secular religion of tolerance, and Muslims are going, that's great.
We can exploit this.
Let's make sure to put it under the guise of tolerance and it'll be allowed.
Whereas in the United States, there is some of no, we're not going to tolerate that.
Yeah, I mean, one thing that I do get annoyed about is the constant pandering.
That really, really annoys me.
We don't pander to any other religious minority or religious demographic in any way.
And so I really don't like to see pandering to Muslims just because they're complaining.
To me, the answer should just be no.
Yes.
Well, hold on.
We have to go to a break and we'll keep that in mind.
What a novel concept.
The answer, no.
Thought about that.
Same look with parents.
Like, can I have pants with juicy written across my butt?
No.
Can I have Sharia court?
No.
Solve some problems.
Not to get off the beaten path because we were talking about Europe.
We were talking about the Young Turks.
We have a video this week on the Young Turks.
You were once a watcher of you were of the Young Turks.
I don't want to misrepresent you.
Okay.
I was indeed.
Many moons ago, I used to enjoy their content because it wasn't crazy and it was left-wing.
And I thought, wow, this is rare.
You know, someone on the left who isn't crazy.
And I mean, go back and watch some of their stuff from about, I don't know, three or four years ago.
It's pretty reasonable.
And now.
I disagree.
Of course.
I think you've changed.
You know why?
Well, here's why.
Because they would attack me back then and not have me on to defend myself.
I remember they did a debate, Google Jank Lee Doran with Lee Doran.
He was how the world works.
This is back in like 09, 010.
And it was just back then, it was still like, he didn't scream it, but he had a moderator and it was just them two versus Lee.
I think I understand where you're like, it's more obviously unhinged on the obvious.
Yes.
And you've moved on.
He used to be a lot more relaxed.
He used to be less of an ass.
And I guess that now he's pretty deep in his positions.
And I think it's more about protecting the narrative than it is really being correct now.
Because back, you know, a few years ago, he used to actually care about the facts.
But now it's about not all.
Not all, not all, not all.
Of course, right?
Right?
Oh, Jesus, Jenkins.
Shut up.
Just shut up.
Listen, no, no, no, listen.
Okay, right?
That's what it is.
You don't even talk.
Just do the research.
We're not going to put it up.
It'll be up later.
Because we're trying to have a conversation.
Yeah, but they didn't used to be so bad.
And now they've really been getting worse.
To the point where Alex Jones can go and troll them and they fall for it.
Yes.
The Young Turks make Alex Jones into a sympathetic figure.
Though it wasn't Alex Jones, it was more so Roger Stone that seemed to bother them for some.
Who is Roger Stone?
I don't really know who that is.
He worked with the Trump campaign, right, Jared?
And he doesn't, but they're music.
He used to work for Clinton, I think, way back when.
And then he worked with Trump.
Trump's his campaign manager or something or strategist.
And he was fired, but still kind of some kind of correspondent for Jones, Alex Jones.
I don't know.
I would definitely disagree with the idea that they used to be more fact-based, just because obviously I've always disagreed with them and would always be.
And I had friends who they would debate or attack.
And I was going, that's not even true.
That's not even what they said.
But back then, there were no channels to counter it.
You know what I mean?
I was like, it didn't matter.
It's just like they said, well, it could be something as, I don't know if they actually said this, but something like, someone says Detroit's unemployment is 28%.
That's not true.
It's 11%.
Look it up.
And they would do that back then, and it just wasn't true.
And I just don't think people were able to go, is that not true?
Whereas now we have to do it.
It's been a while since I've watched them as a fan, so I'd have to look.
But yeah, I don't know.
I'd have to check.
Well, yeah.
It just seemed, they didn't seem so bad these days.
He wasn't as explosively angry.
No.
I would say they were just as inaccurate, but I think he's definitely.
I've talked about this.
This is entirely conjecture, okay?
But if you see the eyes that are glassy, bloodshot, he's gained weight, sweating profusely, and very, very emotional and temperamental.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's some kind of an issue there that's more than meets the eye.
Hey!
Health issue.
Substance issue.
Substance issue.
I'm just saying, as a comedian, I've been around it a lot.
And that's the thing is that your serotonin levels and you're just like, you know, you're sitting there.
It's like, okay, and you just freak out.
So I have noticed that for sure.
He's much quicker to anger.
Well, I mean, I don't know anything about any substance issues, but honestly, I think it's about the environment he's in.
He's in a very closed environment where everyone agrees with him.
And then when you get like Ben Mankowicz is his name, he seems to be aware of that.
Yeah, he's a lot more reasonable.
He's like, no, Chenk, I disagree with you on this.
I think you're wrong.
Chenk will just shout him down.
It's just like, oh, Christ, man.
I can't do it.
I can't do watch him, though, either.
Who?
Ben?
No.
He's not particularly dynamic, but he seems like a decent person.
Decent person, but he comes off to me as a guy who works at Home Depot in the afternoon thing shows up.
He's like, hey, met you at the potluck once.
You got some dots.
Put you on the show.
Do you got a blazer?
Apparently, he's not the co-founder of the thing.
Really?
Oh, it was behind the scenes.
I don't know.
I was just asking because I've noticed a lot of people saying that, like, coming on my channel.
I'm sure you see, I used to be a young Turks watcher, but insert story here.
And sorry, go ahead.
Oh, no, no, absolutely.
I was just agreeing.
I've had, I get dozens and dozens of people like that as well.
I probably get a lot more than you do because I'm left-wing, you know.
You know, but I don't, well, okay, here's one thing.
I remember you last time you were on, you're like, if you had to, you'd go Bernie.
And I said, I don't think that's going to last because I said, I don't think you realize he is a social justice warrior candidate.
Yeah.
So did you, do you, did you, did you regret that afterward?
Do you think like I didn't regret it?
I didn't know he was going to come out and say something like, white people don't know what it's like to be poor.
Right.
Sorry, Bernie, you've lost me now.
Yeah.
Yeah, I totally, and don't get me wrong, you know, I mean, I can, I think his heart's in the right place.
You know, I think, I think Bernie's heart's in the right place.
Right.
I don't think necessarily he's got the answers or anything like that.
And I don't understand at all what he's gone and done with Hillary.
I mean, I find this the most baffling thing in the world.
He spends his entire campaign and just his entire career arguing against Wall Street and then he endorses Hillary Clinton.
But I mean, that should be your answer.
Well, yeah, absolutely.
I just don't get it.
It's just, it's just the most baffling thing in the world to me.
And then for some reason Hillary Clinton, she didn't take him as her VP, did she?
No.
No, she didn't.
She took Mr. Kane.
Because she's a bitch.
She must be, but it just strikes me as a terrible political blunder.
I mean, all these supporters, his hardcore supporters, are very, a lot of them are very anti-Clinton.
Well, have you been following the DNC leagues?
I have been following the DNC leagues.
So, I mean, it's pretty clear there.
I just don't think they were ever going to kiss in makeup.
Mostly because she's more interested in kissing Elizabeth Warren.
But I think that Sargon, where's the best place for people to find you?
It's always too short, but we have to go to a break here.
Oh, really?
We're out of time already.
Oh, just Google Sargon of Acad.
You'll find me.
Google Sargon of Acad.
Well, no, okay, Jared.
Since people know this is pre-taped because it's across the pond, we can do a short Web Extended for people if they want.
Why not?
We can get into the New World Order.
That would be good.
Give him some of our Jew money.
Jew money's good.
What's that?
You can break the conditioning.
Yes, yes.
No, I think you're right.
Yeah, that's what I was saying.
That's always why it's interesting talking with you, because even if we don't line up politically, there still is something to gain from.
Oh, I guess I don't even think that Europeans are looking at this in that way.
So Sargon of Acad, people listening terrestrially on my channel, lottawithcrowder.com, for more.
But hey, if you're watching this, click one of these boxes to either subscribe.
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Because I never do the links in the videos.
There'll be a link in the description.
Ah, fine.
We do the mystery box.
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