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May 24, 2016 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin
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A Temporarily Embarrassed Believer
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When I first started identifying as an atheist, I came online and I found very prominent YouTubers on speaking on atheist topics, people who had very large audiences in the hundreds of thousands, and they would talk about how creationists were full of shit, and they would talk about how religion was bad and religion was foolish.
Here's some good arguments for why evolution is true, and here's some good arguments for why creationism is false.
And I really connected with that, and I really found a lot of that very useful.
And I thought, yeah, this is a community built on reason and facts and science and empiricism.
And we value objectivity and we value examining our beliefs and examining the beliefs of others and really honestly auditing what we think and what we say and finding the truth no matter what it is, whether it's uncomfortable for us or not.
And then you became a feminist.
Then you decided that objectivity actually wasn't the highest value you should aspire to when trying to establish your own worldview.
Then you decided that you wouldn't be skeptical, you'd listen and believe.
And then you decided that if there are facts that disagree with your worldview and your narrative, then you'd ignore them.
And cutting through the cognitive bias that shapes so much of our thinking.
And then a few years went by, and I paid more attention, you know, to some atheist YouTubers, some again, some of the most popular, prominent atheist YouTubers, and I started to notice that they were talking a little bit less about creationism and evolution and religion, or at least Christianity, and they were talking a lot more about feminism and how awful it was.
Why do you think that is, Steve?
Do you think it's because creationism became more oppressive and censorious than feminism?
Or do you think it's that feminism became more oppressive and censorious than creationism?
What do you think?
Why do you think they did?
Or do you think they just hate women, Steve?
And what a terrible person Rebecca Watson was.
Yeah.
And what a terrible person Anita Sarkeesian was.
You know, women can be bad people too, don't you, Steve?
I mean, women are capable of lying and cheating and manipulating for personal gain, just like a man.
And do you know why they can do that, Steve?
Because women are people too.
And how Islam was uniquely awful as a religion.
Isn't it?
And I thought to myself, is this the community I was a part of?
Is this the rational, unbiased, objective community?
Yeah.
Yeah, that's right, Steve.
This is the community where people treat each other as equals.
Where people don't care about the fact that they're a woman.
They care about the fact that they're lying about being a gamer and then scamming gamers out of their money.
That's something they care about.
It doesn't matter that it's a woman doing it, Steve.
That doesn't mean she doesn't get called up on it.
It's the same with anything like that.
It's the same with Islam.
Islam is uniquely horrible and to women, and I'm sure you'll cover this because I'm sure you've got some sort of apologetics lodged in your brain somewhere that you just have to get out.
But yes, Steve, these are the people who care about reason and objectivity.
You are the side that doesn't care about these things.
I have literally seen so many times people saying from the regressive left, objectivity, it's a silly thing.
It's nonsense.
We shouldn't worry about it.
And then there's you sat here going, oh, I can't believe these are the people who care about reason and objectivity.
I thought objectivity was supposed to confirm my biases.
Where the most popular voices online are rabid anti-feminists?
Yes, Steve.
We are against feminism in its current modern form.
Because feminism in its current modern intersectional form is based on Marxist principles.
I am a liberal.
I cannot also be a liberal and a Marxist.
Do you understand?
I don't think women are an oppressed class.
I don't think black people are an oppressed class.
I don't think Obama is being oppressed by you.
But you do.
This is your worldview, you fuck nut.
You think he is experiencing oppression that you don't experience?
I think, mate, he's the most powerful man in the fucking world.
If he's experiencing oppression, I'm not going to worry about it.
I'm just not going to worry about it because if he's oppressed, I must be really fucking oppressed.
Or, and here's the liberal part.
None of us are oppressed.
That's the alternative.
Either everyone's oppressed or none of us are oppressed.
And I think none of us are oppressed.
I think everyone has individual agency.
Every individual person can make their life as they want it.
They can struggle.
They can work.
They can earn the result they'll get.
But you don't think that way.
You think women are a class.
You think they're being oppressed by men.
You think women can't do anything.
You sound like a misogynist.
Are brazen, proud sexists?
You've been talking to Aaron Ra, haven't you?
No, we're brazen, proud liberals, Steve.
Liberals.
Anti-Marxists.
That's what we are, Steve.
And racists?
No, Steve.
We are the people who are the anti-racists.
We believe black people, being people too, have agency.
And if they use it, they should bear the consequences of it.
Just like I would say for myself and for you and for every other human being, Steve.
I don't think they're helpless children.
You fucking racist.
And religious bigots?
You fucking what, mate?
And religious bigots?
What kind of atheist argues against people being critical of religion?
I'm genuinely asking you, Steve.
Unblock me on Twitter for five minutes and send me the answer.
I need to know, Steve, I need to know why you are arguing against arguing against this is what the community is.
Yeah, unbelievably, unbelievably, the atheist community has a problem with religion in general.
Just the idea of religion.
It's retrograde.
It's regressive.
They're against it.
We're against it.
I don't know why this is a surprise to you.
I thought you came to this community because of that.
This is what the community has always been.
How is this in any way a surprise to you?
Oh my god, the atheist community is liberal and anti-religious.
What a surprise.
At least this is a part of what the community has always been.
Because there is another part of the atheist community.
There is a more socially conscious part, a more progressive part.
A more cult-like part.
But I don't want to spoil your surprise.
I'll let you get to that.
A part that is more interested in doing activism and advocacy to attain equality, to overcome the obstacles that many people face.
When was attaining equality ever part of the atheist sort of raison d'être?
It's about letting people live their lives as they want.
If people choose to do different things that mean they don't earn as much money, that's their choice, Steve.
I can't stop that, and I don't think I should stop that.
To various forms of marginalization?
There are organizations like the American Humanist Association who decided to sell out the foundational principle of humanism and decide to split their movement into special interest groups that they could then advocate for different rights and privileges for each one?
Yeah, there are.
Not a wonderful move, is it?
That is trying very hard to put front and center a social justice focus as a part of its humanist skeptical activism.
Declaring all men to be sexist and all white people to be racist is part of humanist skeptical activism.
Is it?
Something that I applaud vociferously and I could not support any more than I do.
I think the American Humanist Association is a great role model for other secular organizations.
I think it's going to be the thing that kills it.
Do you know why people don't like social justice?
It's not just the fact that it's Marxist.
It's not just the fact that it infiltrates and co-opts and then tries to destroy things that are otherwise good and useful, right?
It's not that.
That's just the end result.
The reason people don't like it and the reason this all happens is because it's an authoritarian, quasi-religious movement that preaches at people and does not tolerate any kind of criticism or dissent.
And you're like, oh, the rational, objective people who are skeptical about everything don't like this movement.
I just can't understand why atheists aren't getting on board with this.
In the way it has handled the social justice aspect of humanist advocacy, the way it has recently announced partnerships with a faction of black humanists and LGBTQ plus humanists and feminist humanists.
And it has said this is an essential part of humanist activism, of skeptical activism, secular activism.
This can't just be something that we pay lip service to and then leave off to the side.
This has to be one of our priorities.
Because a humanist movement that does not center the least privileged people in our group, a humanist movement that ignores or silences or dismisses the concerns of people of color, of women, of LGBTQ folk, then that humanist movement is not truly a humanist movement.
Steve, are you saying that before the humanist movement became co-opted by social justice, it didn't care about women.
It didn't care about black people.
It didn't care about LGBTQ people.
It didn't care about any of these things.
Because I think if you spoke to them, they would all say they did.
Because humanists must care about the equality and the fair treatment and justice for all people.
Steve, do you think for a second that the black humanist society cares about the equality of white people or anything that might happen to white people?
Do you think the LGBTQ one thinks anything of straight people?
Do you think they care about the equality or any of the issues straight people might face?
What about any issues that men face that the feminist Society care about?
Are they going to be doing men's rights activism?
Are they, Steve?
I don't fucking think so.
This is the problem everyone has.
These people are not going to be following the rules you just laid out for humanism.
Do you think discriminating for or against people based on their race or on their gender or their sexuality is a good thing?
Is discrimination based on these categories a good thing to you?
Because you are advocating for it.
You fucking moron.
And that means identifying and doing whatever we can to reform and overcome the systems of oppression and the social and political obstacles that stand in the way of people that are placed in their way unfairly because of their gender identity, because of their sexuality, because of the color of their skin.
Name one.
Name one.
Name a law.
Name the convention.
Show me the people who are saying, you know what, Hillary Clinton can't be president because she's a woman.
A black person can't be president, even though we've had one for eight fucking years almost.
Show me these people, Steve.
Because of their disability, because of any unjust reason.
Are you saying you want a retard as the president of the United States?
Would that be unjust if we said no retards?
Seriously, though, how are disabled people being prevented from any of the things we're talking about?
What's holding them back other than their disability?
This has to be a major part of humanism.
And the disappointing thing about it is the way you can see people who pride themselves on their skepticism and their objectivity and their willingness to try and recognize and cut through their biases, falling prey to those very biases.
Hashtag projection.
When they reject social justice topics, when they demean people who are active in social justice movements by calling them SJWs or complaining about political correctness run amok.
Well, that's a bit fucking rich, isn't it?
Coming from the man who started this video by calling everyone a sexist and a racist if they're opposed to social justice.
But don't call you an SJW because that's a nasty word that hurts your feelings.
Then fuck you.
Fuck your feelings.
Stop calling people names and maybe they won't do it in return.
You started it, dipshit.
Or denigrating feminism or LGBTQ equality movements or racial justice movements like Black Lives Matter.
Oh, I'm so sorry I wasn't preserving the sanctity of the Church of Feminism and Black Lives Matter, Steve.
I'm really sorry.
How dare I criticize movements that are overtly racist and sexist?
I'm so sorry.
I didn't check my fucking privilege.
It's an interesting demonstration of cognitive bias because if you go into an atheist's space online and point out that it's bullshit that there are currently no self-professing atheists serving in the United States Congress, not a single one, you'll get a lot of vigorous nods in agreement.
When it's atheists who are marginalized, oh, we're right on top of that, boy.
Amazing.
When atheists are being marginalized, the atheist movement cares.
Go on.
We're right on top of that.
Oh, yeah, more atheists in Congress.
Atheists on the Supreme Court, right?
I don't know.
Personally, I don't really give a fuck as long as they don't start preaching Christianity in the Supreme Court.
I don't care.
But if somebody points out that, say, most of the speakers at major atheist conferences are still cis-hetero-white men.
Are you really trying to equate someone's religion to someone's race and gender?
Are you honestly doing that, Steve?
I mean, that sounds like you are a racist and a sex.
Oh, that's not fair.
You know what, Steve?
When I get stressed, when someone says something so unbelievably dull, I'll go and do something that relaxes me.
And I haven't polished this sword, but I made with my own fair hands.
I haven't polished this in ages.
And you can tell.
You can really tell.
And I'm sat here trying to pretend that you didn't just try to make light or fun of the idea that being judged on characteristics upon one has no control, one has no control, such as one's race or gender, is in fact not fair.
i am baffled how you can think people complaining about about racist and sexist treatment are just whining about things not being fair i mean that is just that is just amazing to me And so I need to do something before I flip my fucking lid or something, Steve.
I need to do something that's going to calm me down.
And I'll tell you what.
Look at that shine.
Look at that shine.
You see the difference.
That makes me happy.
Isn't that nice?
It's just not fair, is it, Steve?
Oh, you know, you just can't discriminate against those people based on their race and gender.
And that's not fair to you, is it?
You know, it's not fair to the racists and sexists if we prevent people from discriminating based on gender.
It's just not fair, Steve.
They're just going to have to do it on merit, mate.
It's going to have to be about the things they do and the things they say and the people they are, Steve.
I know that's a really, really, it's a tough line isn't it, it's just, oh that's so unfair.
It's just so unfair, Steve.
But you know what?
That's the world we're trying to build.
A really unfair one.
In which people have to work.
People have to do things.
They don't just get given things on the basis of what they are.
Because we've decided that that is in fact called privilege.
Being given things on the basis of what you are is in fact unfair.
And that's really not the world we want to live in.
Why you are trying to regress us back to that world is absolutely beyond me.
Take a look at yourself in the mirror.
Well, stop trying to...
Why do you have to divide us?
Well...
Well, why are you trying to do that?
Humanism is meant to be an inclusive, universal movement for every human being, and you're thrilled about the divisions in humanism.
Why are you trying to divide us?
You know, everything was great until these feminists showed up.
Well, you're doing a good job making the argument against feminism here, Steve.
What's the point of dividing people?
All it does is weaken Them.
All it does is factionalize them.
What's the point?
Where's the benefit, Steve?
And started drawing lines around people.
Why do you have to put people in categories like that when a Christian mischaracterizes the average atheist and creates a straw man to attack?
Oh, we atheists are right on that.
We atheists will correct every misconception, will counter every argument, will point out every fallacy.
But if an atheist erects a Muslim straw man and then another atheist points out that that's what is being done, that we are viewing Muslims and Islam with a double standard, that we are making sweeping conclusions about Islam and about Muslims that we do not make about Christians and that we would never accept being made about atheists.
Oh, Islamophile.
Why are you white knighting for Islam?
Why aren't you against that?
You're an atheist feminist and you're now speaking in defense of Islam.
Why?
What?
Don't you know?
You call yourself a feminist.
Don't you know how awful women are treated in the Muslim world?
How can you defend Islam?
I thought you were some kind of a progressive.
What are you, a regressive leftist?
If a prominent Christian personality or a prominent Muslim personality does something questionable, says something questionable, gives a really, really paternalistic, sexist sermon that goes viral.
You know, we all watch the YouTube video and we cluck our tongues and we think, oh, the attitudes that these religious people, these fundamentalists have toward women is just barbaric.
Go on.
Tell me.
Yeah.
And this is what you, as an atheist feminist, should be speaking about.
I mean, you do understand that it's okay to beat your wife in almost every Muslim country.
There isn't a punishment for it if you do it right.
I mean, there are rules for beating a wife.
And that's not to even get into like the whole fucking honor killings, the punishment women get for being raped.
That's not to get into the fact that she's female genital mutilation or just the basic restriction on freedom of movement for women in many Muslim countries, Steve.
There are so many misogynistic elements to Islam.
I can't believe you are now speaking in defense of it.
And yet you are.
But when a prominent member of the atheist community says something blatantly misogynistic.
Are you really honestly going to equivocate the oppression of the institutionalized oppression of women under Islam with an atheist speaking against feminism?
In a video or on Twitter, or I don't know, just to pull an example completely out of the air, just hypothetically retweets a video posted by one of the worst misogynists and harassers online right now.
Allah Akbar, Steve.
We can't make excuses for him fast enough.
Are you sure that's what happened?
Are you sure that there wasn't, oh, I don't know, a hate mob who said, hey, we resemble that remark, who then got on his case so much he ended up getting really stressed and it may well have contributed to him having a stroke.
I mean, I'm just saying it's just a man in his 70s, but fuck him.
Someone tweeted a video you don't like.
Why not just jump down his throat?
You know, it doesn't matter.
He's a man.
He's got male privilege.
What difference does it make to him?
He didn't do anything wrong.
He didn't.
Comparing the most radical elements of feminism to the most radical elements of Islamism, because they operate on basically the same principles, isn't wrong, Steve.
You just don't like it because it hits too close to home.
It's looking pretty good, man.
It's much better.
This is enhancing my zen.
See how mirrored this is?
You see that?
Wow.
Beautiful.
Absolutely beautiful.
Oh, he certainly didn't mean anything by it.
Hey, he said all kinds of things in support of women in the past.
He identifies as a feminist.
When an atheist fucks up, we can't make excuses for him fast enough.
Your music collection is sexist, Steve.
But let a Christian or a Muslim or some other religious person fuck up or say something that we think is indicative of the awful attitudes of that religion or that culture toward women or people of color or gay people or whatever.
Oh, we are on it.
Oh, yeah, God forbid that Richard Dawkins criticizes feminism, because that's the equivalent of chopping a woman's clitoris off when she's a teenager.
That's exactly the same thing, Steve.
I can see why you're so angry.
I mean, it doesn't make you look like a fucking idiot or anything.
We do not let up, and we do not accept excuses for that.
Well, you're absolutely right there.
I mean, you're doing exactly that right now, and I'm calling you up on it.
You have actually argued that maybe we shouldn't be intolerant towards religion, says Mr. YouTube atheist.
It's disappointing to find that double standard.
It's not a double standard, you moron.
What you call misogyny, other people call criticism.
What we call genital mutilation, you call shh.
I don't want to talk about that.
To find that double standard so rampant in a community that is filled with people who fancy themselves skeptics and fancy themselves unbiased and fancy themselves champions of freedom and champions of liberty and are in many cases willing to go to work, willing to spend time and money and effort and labor promoting the cause of atheist fairness, of atheist justice, of atheist equality.
Yes, what they're doing is promoting the liberal position of equality of opportunity.
What you want is the Marxist position of equality of outcome.
We have no problem with concepts like oppression and marginalization and lack of social privilege when the underprivileged group being referenced is atheists.
Actually, Steve, I do.
If you can't prove that atheists are being oppressed, then I don't agree that atheists are being oppressed.
If you can't prove that women are being oppressed, I don't agree that women are being oppressed.
Do you see where I'm going with this?
This is something to do with me being a skeptic and something to do with you being a social justice warrior.
You and your listen and believe mentality really need to stop.
And have you changed your movie collection yet?
Because I hear that was really sexist.
But when you take that same concept and you apply it to other underprivileged groups, other marginalized groups like women, like black folks or people of color in general, like trans folks, gay folks, ah, well, you know, that's just SJW bullshit.
What are you going to start talking about?
The patriarchy, the wage gap, white supremacy?
It is SJW bullshit.
Most of it is racist, most of it is sexist, most of it is cisphobic, and it's all very Islamophilic.
Bizarrely, probably because they're brown.
And no one's interested.
No one wants to categorize people like this.
People just want to talk about human beings as individuals.
What is each person's problem?
Because you can get really charismatic women who are very successful, who are not being held down by the patriarchy, and then you get really weasly-looking men who wear their caps and doors.
These things, you know, race is just a social construct.
It doesn't really mean anything.
You know, I bet you can't even name me a right that women don't have in the West that men have.
Can you?
Because if you're part of a movement that claims you're fighting for equal rights for women to be the same as men, and you can't find a single example of where men have a right women don't have, isn't that a sign that should be telling you maybe there's no need for me to be in this movement anymore?
See, we go there.
Talk about atheist oppression.
Oh, absolutely.
Onboard 100%.
Total bullshit.
Let's do something about it.
Talk about oppression of women.
Talk about oppression of blacks.
Talk about oppression of LGBTQ folk.
Oh, well, that's just SJW horseshit.
And what rights do any of these people have that the others don't?
Rights, Steve.
I want to hear it.
I want you to go.
Well, I mean, you just say this.
I want you to quantify it.
Tell me what they're missing.
Tell me what I can campaign for.
If you can't name anything, then it strikes me that you're full of shit, Steve.
That your whole movement is full of shit.
It's about people who, I don't know, are either in it to get something or hate themselves so much they think it's going to give them absolution.
There's no place for that in atheism.
Stop trying to poison atheism with that.
Steve, earlier on, you were complaining that you weren't allowed to discriminate against people on the basis that they are white, cisgendered men.
That is the poison, you fucking idiot.
You wanting to discriminate based on race and gender and sexuality.
That's what you're doing.
That's what people don't want.
It's wrong.
It's retrograde.
It is regressive.
And I'm not saying that an energetic commitment to social justice causes in general or even any one particular social justice movement ought to be necessary to be a member of an atheist community or a secular progressive community.
Yes, you are, Steve.
That's exactly what you're saying.
Because nothing is ever enough.
Because your ideology is hegemonic.
It will not stop at just some of it.
It must have all of it.
Because the existence of something that's not it is an anathema to it.
You have to control everything.
You don't even understand how your own fucking ideology works.
There will never be enough and you know it.
Or movement.
I'm not saying that at all.
What I am saying is that I think feminism and social justice activism in general needs to be a much more prominent part of atheist, secular, humanist activism in general.
But then it wouldn't be atheist, secular, or humanist, would it, Steve?
That doesn't mean that every single atheist or even every single atheist activist has to also be a Black Lives Matter activist and a feminist and a gay rights activist and a trans rights activist.
That's not what I'm saying.
Yeah, except that is what you're saying, isn't it, Steve?
You know, whether you know it or not, and whether you want to say that or not, that is what you're saying.
Because when you guys say take over an institution, there will never, never be a time where you can say, well, you know what?
I'm not a feminist.
Because I'm like, hey, what?
Are you a sexist?
And you'd be like, no, I just don't want to.
I'm just not a feminist.
I'm not a Marxist.
And they'd be like, okay, what about Black Lives Matter?
You're not racist, are you?
Because you already equate not supporting these things and, in fact, being opposed to them with racism and sexism.
You're delusional.
You're absolutely delusional.
It's wishful thinking on your part, Steve.
I'm saying that people who are interested in those things, people who are doing that work, people who are trying to push those priorities, need to be welcome in the movement.
And we should not be trying to push them away.
We should not be trying to push away the people who are working directly against the core values of the movement.
I mean, you are complaining.
You complained in this video about people being religious bigots in the atheist community.
And you think we shouldn't try to push people like that away for what reason?
They're going against everything that we're fighting for, Steve.
One of the role models for me in the atheist movement, especially online in my years as a part of this community, has been Arin Ra.
Aaron, I was a sexist when I was younger, and now if you're not a feminist, you're a sexist Ra.
And he was recently interviewed on the American Humanist Association's website, and Aaron, during that interview, said something that I think every single atheist who has ever raised his or her voice in protest against feminism poisoning atheism or social justice poisoning atheism or all this PC mangina crap,
every single person who has ever tweeted something like that or left a pissy comment like that on somebody's video or whined and complained or was blocked by you on Twitter about that sort of thing needs to hear what Arin Ra said in this interview.
Quote, the way I see it, if someone else wants to talk about gender equality, racial equality, transphobia, or whatever else, and you don't have an interest in that topic, you can't relate to it and therefore can't make a meaningful contribution, then you don't have to be in that conversation.
You don't have to spread your ignorance and dismiss or minimize and otherwise disrespect other people's situations.
You can post in some other thread or blog or what have you and talk about what you know.
It makes no sense to me why there are substantial groups of people unified in their hatred of other people's problems that they can't pretend to understand themselves.
Instead of posting yet another video whining about Anita Sarkeesian or hating on Rebecca Watson, stop paying attention to them and find something productive to do, something that might actually be useful to someone.
Because I guarantee wherever you post this, you will see comments criticizing me for saying any of this.
They'll give all the same wrong reasons they always do.
And that will probably include the assertion that feminism isn't really about gender equality, that you and me and every other feminist somehow got that wrong.
That we should all call ourselves something else.
As if only those who hate feminism know what it is and not anyone who identifies as such.
All right, Steve, let's think about that.
If people in the atheist community didn't have social justice forced upon them by people saying, hey, we're going to talk about my vagina or my skin color, and if you don't do that, you're a racist or a sexist, then people would ignore it.
If it wasn't trying to impress itself on other people, whether they like it or not, then that would be exactly the case.
There would be a whole community of SJWs that no one would care about.
They'd treat them like the fucking bronies.
Okay, no one would care.
It wouldn't matter.
But that's not what happens.
No, no, no, no.
You go in, you and your cronies, you find a movement.
Ooh, there's a movement here that's not infected with social justice.
Let's infiltrate it.
Let's say we're fellow atheists.
We're this, that, and the other.
What do you want to do?
Oh, well, I kind of want to respect Islam because Islam's great.
You know, I don't want you to criticize things too much.
Don't be a religious bigot.
And also, can I talk to you about vaginas?
We need to promote vaginas everywhere.
Vagina, vagina, vagina.
Oh, my God.
Why?
Why?
But there aren't enough black people, and that's a good point.
There aren't enough black people.
We need more black people.
You're too white.
Look at those white guys on the stage.
Get off the stage, you white fucks.
This hypocritical, prejudiced, proudly bigoted, willfully ignorant social justice movement that is opposed by anti-feminist, anti-social justice portion of the atheist community is here.
It is with us.
It is extremely loud and extremely aggressive and toxic.
And egalitarian and humanist.
And traditionally feminist in many ways.
But we're not social justice warriors.
We're not Marxists.
We're liberals.
Again, I have to completely hammer this point home, Steve.
You want equality of outcome.
We want equality of opportunity.
That's it.
There is never going to be a compromise here.
There's never going to be an agreement.
As long as you argue for an equal outcome, you are my enemy and I will always oppose you.
And difficult to ignore.
And it will probably be with us for some time.
But even though it is a part of us, it cannot speak for us.
It cannot be who we are.
Well observed, Steve.
The anti-SJW movement will not speak for the SJW movement.
Bravo.
If we want the atheist movement, the atheist community, to mean anything and to be any good to anyone, especially the most marginalized, least empowered atheists in the world, it must not be that.
Do you know what I find highly ironic about all of this, Steve?
And I adore that you will completely whitewash and mail wash and ciswash the opposition to social justice in it wherever it goes.
It's amazing.
I love it.
You don't care that there are black people who are doing very well because they work very hard.
You don't care there are women who are doing very well because they work very hard.
You just don't care.
It doesn't matter, does it?
I mean, these people are irrelevant.
And thanks to groups like the American Humanist Association, thanks to people like Arin Ra and Lalandra Ra and Sincere Carabo and Alex Jules and Sikavu Hutchison and Haina Dada Boy and Seth Andrews and Matt DeLahunty and Beth Presswood and Christy Winters and Foxy Jazzebel and people,
just an endless list of awesome people on YouTube and active very much within the atheist secular humanist community.
Thanks to the hard work and dedication and intelligence and compassion and consciousness of people like that, I don't think we really have to worry about that.
I'm loving seeing this sincere Curabo guy come up all the time.
The I want to end humanism guy.
Yeah, no, the passion of the cults you've just laid out.
Go on.
It's not fashionable for an atheist to say he has faith in something.
But I have faith in that.
I have faith that in the long run, that is not who we will be.
I guess you'll have faith then, Steve.
You're a person of faith.
You're in the same group as Muslims, Christians, Orthodox Jews.
If that's what you want.
If you draw spiritual sustenance from social justice, okay.
Dude, I'm not going to judge you.
If you want your religious beliefs, you go ahead.
But I'm a skeptic and an atheist.
I'm not interested in what you have faith in.
I'm not going to subscribe to your cult.
I'm just not interested.
I don't want my feet and levels measured.
I don't want you to tell me about Zenu.
And I'm not interested in the white male capitalist supremacy patriarchy that is apparently something you're a part of.
But that's the thing, isn't it?
These sort of vague generalizations, these inaccurate, fuzzy thinking.
It's easy.
Really easy.
And it is comforting to think that maybe it's not as complicated and detailed as real life is.
But unfortunately, everyone is actually an individual, Stephen.
You've got to drill down to it.
You can't just say, oh, I'm a defender of women.
Which women?
Well, the women who oppose you.
Well, I'm obviously not a defender of them.
You know, the women opposing feminism, no, of course I hate them because they're infidels.
You know, they're traitors to the gender.
They're apostates.
You know, you've got to get past it, man.
You know, and until you do, all you'll be is an anti-Christian.
All you'll be is someone who's like, well, I'm not Catholic or Protestant.
You're not really a skeptic.
You're not really an atheist.
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