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Aug. 30, 2015 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin

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The Drunk Confessions of #GamerGate Supporters

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	Right, Mario and Luigi together at last.
	It's important that I'm this tall.
	It is important that this is Dr. Fuck the Princess!
	Fuck her!
	I'm sure you know who he is?
	Aye.
	This is Dr. Random Camp.
	He is a lot taller in real life than he looks.
	How drunk he is.
	That's how drunk it is.
	He's rather drunk, as I am as well.
	So.
	What do you want to talk about?
	I don't know.
	My name is Dr. Random McCamp.
	Dr. Fucking Miranda McCamp!
	Go on, say something.
	I don't know what to say.
	You need to ask me a thing before I, you know.
	Okay, what's your opinion of gaming?
	Oh, he's a bunch of misogynists who should be thrown into the ovens forthwith.
	Did you expect me to say something serious?
	No, but do you consider yourself part of gaming it or just conservative?
	Part of it, yeah.
	Well, I'm not a gamer.
	Like I said in one of my recent videos, I was a gamer from the age of two till 18, which I think counts.
	If you're an East Psycheansian division.
	Now, wait a minute.
	Yeah, so I'm not a gamer anymore, but I appreciate gamesmanship and I appreciate people doing this.
	That's an interesting point.
	Do you want to tell people about your opinion of Gamergates and gamesmanship?
	I saw your video, but I think a lot of people...
	Well, it's like the difference between sport and sportsmanship.
	Being good at sport is just being good at lobbing a ball around.
	But being a good sportsman is caring about ethical rules and not taking shit too seriously.
	And it's exactly the same with gamesmanship.
	That's what a gamer is.
	That's what a gamer gator is.
	An SJW can be a gamer just by tapping the fucking buttons.
	They'll never be a gamesman in the same sense that they'll never be a sportsman because they don't give a fuck about being a good sport.
	In fact, they give a great deal of fucks about being the bad.
	The game sport is kind of an obstacle to their objectives, isn't it?
	That's what this is kind of about.
	I think so it's a really, really fine way of describing fucking.
	I can't think of anything off the top of my head.
	Like I say, I need to crystal or a crystal.
	Has anyone got any questions for Dr. Random Camp?
	No.
	No one has any questions.
	What?
	Or the average flight boss you have an unladen giraffe?
	Do you mean a European giraffe or an African giraffe?
	Down the chasm with you, sir.
	Well, I'm not really good at you.
	I'm not a regular view.
	It's going remarkably well.
	Well, look, there's a reason I did this after like six parts, okay?
	Because this is going to be on the internet.
	Six and a half.
	Six and a half.
	Half went down the radio.
	They did, actually.
	This is going to be on the internet, and we're going to look like idiots forever.
	That's the point.
	Very for idiots.
	Exactly.
	So what...
	I had a question, I thought it was gone.
	What do you think is going to happen next?
	I'd like to think that this is the ripple that undoes the invasion.
	Like, gaming is pretty much the last sphere of influence for the SJWs to invade.
	And I think it's possible that this will ripple back through all the other things they've invaded and eventually, like I said, undo the invasion.
	And do you know what I think the first sphere that they took over was?
	Go.
	Men's rights.
	Oh, okay, go on it, come on.
	Let's get the M. Let's get the game.
	No, let's not.
	Let's not.
	No, no, no, go on, explain.
	I'm interested in hearing this.
	Well, it's no coincidence that most MRAs were right on board with Gamergate.
	Not all Gamergators are MRAs, but quite a lot of MRAs are like, yes, we understand exactly what Gamergaters are.
	Because we've been going on about this for a long time.
	We were both doing this before Gamergate happened.
	Do you remember those?
	I'm not on MRA.
	Bygone Halcyon days before Gamergates.
	When there was nothing to worry about.
	What was the little chappy with the Scotch?
	Oh, Frank the video, yeah.
	Get on, Frank.
	But we should do Frank again.
	We should.
	Look at what he was saying back then and what they're saying about it now.
	And it's just like, wow, Frank seems like a lovely guy.
	You know, he was like, I just don't agree with your points.
	It's like brilliant.
	I can't imagine going back to a day when someone just simply disagrees with what I have to say.
	At least he's just a modern.
	He's not a genocide.
	Yeah, exactly.
	At least he doesn't think I'm a terrorist or something, you know.
	But you know, I think after being a part of Game Gear, it's given me a great deal of perspective on the MRAs because I see MRAs vilified and slandered by feminist media constantly.
	I mean, it's just Gamergate has already taken the position of the MRA in the feminist people.
	It's, I mean, it's almost used in such sentence as the Gamergate MRAs or the MRAs of Gamergate.
	It's their beauty.
	And I suddenly understand how difficult it must have been for those poor fellows who are asking for fair custody rights for themselves.
	And all those things you hear said about MRAs, you have to now wonder: are any of them true?
	Yes.
	Now that you know all the things they say about Gamergate.
	I mean, I didn't really think that anything feminists were saying were true anyway.
	But so you're not trying to get women back in the kitchen, is what you say.
	Not quite, no.
	Right.
	So what exactly, just very quickly, can you give me a quick bullet point list of what MRAs actually want, please?
	Well, equal rights for men, where they do not exist for women, such as parental custody of criminal surrender and genital integrity, to name three actual legal disparities, not to men.
	They sound wildly unreasonable.
	How dare you ask for genital integrity?
	And that's to say nothing about all the social issues which all exist.
	God forbid we talk about those.
	Which all exist for men just as much as for women, but you can't talk about that because then you sound like a feminist.
	We have to kind of stick to the legal rights.
	But the point is there are actual legal disparities between men and women in favour of women and against the fair rules of the press.
	This is why it's good for men's rights advocates to exist.
	Even more necessary than for women's rights advocates.
	This is remarkably narrative breakouts.
	I think we're going to end up on it.
	Yes, because if we don't, then someone might actually have to think about what they've done to other human beings.
	You were simply trying to be human beings.
	I think I hear Koreski knocking on the door saying, shut up about feminism.
	Thank you very much for joining me.
	Thank you very much for being here.
	Okay, this is Matthew Hopkins, The Witch Finder.
	Hi, so basically I write The Witchfinder General.
	Some of you may read it.
	And one of the reasons that I support Gamergate is that before I became a Conservative blogger, I was actually a Labour Party staffer.
	You're a filthy right-wing.
	I'm a Conservative now, but I was actually a member of the Labour Party, and I was a Labour Party staffer and a volunteer and an apostle and even a councillor under another name.
	And what I want people to realise is how divorced the left in this country, which is the root of all our opponents, is from the mainstream.
	And until earlier this year, when the Daily Mail revealed about Pi, people didn't realise how many people in the Labour Party genuinely think Peter Farnes are an oppressed majority.
	How many people in the Labour Party genuinely think that, you know, we should abolish the age of consent?
	And we have...
	So what?
	Are there a lot of them trying to abolish the age of consent?
	Well, you know, in certain groups within the Labour Party, yes, there are some extremists.
	I wasn't aware of that.
	Well, you don't read the Daily Mail then, do you?
	I don't, not very often.
	You know, and one of the difficulties the left face is if they said what they stood for, speech control, economic control, really quite a totalitarian way of life, people wouldn't vote for them.
	So when I was a Labour Party organiser, we were all about promoting a message that didn't so much reflect what we were doing, but what the public would accept.
	And the more extreme the Labour Party's become, the more it's had to divorce what it says and what it does.
	And that is a pattern you see throughout the left, throughout the civilised world.
	You know, the left never stands on the platform it governs from.
	Yes, by the time this video is out, I may well have made a video that I'm about halfway through making it.
	It's to really exemplify the differences between liberals and progressives.
	Because one of the things I think people don't understand is that progressives are not liberals.
	Yes, that is something that people really have to get to brutes with.
	And liberals don't censor, they don't prevent people from accessing the free market, they don't prevent people's freedom of speech, they don't prevent freedom of expression, they don't prevent freedom of assembly, they are not liberals.
	So when they call themselves liberals, they are lying to it.
	Absolutely.
	And the progressive movement itself is really an outgrowth of the 1970s communist sympathizers.
	Yes.
	It's nothing to do with, say, 1900s to 1920s American progressivism.
	Absolutely nothing to do with it.
	Yes.
	And that's, I think one of the greatest tricks they've pulled is by adopting their name.
	Yes, yes.
	And another issue that I think is going to be important, which I intend to share with people in one of my rare videos of my own.
	I'm going to share some of the trading materials the Labour Party has about how to propagandize.
	And I'm going to share, I don't know if any of you have ever heard of Saul Alinsky.
	I've...
	I'm actually quite a big fan of Saul Olinski.
	I've got a copy of his book and I'm going to talk about how the whole left uses his tactics.
	We can use what we can.
	I think it's important to stress that they're not tactics that are partisan.
	Anyone can use these.
	On the right, you're going to have to start using them.
	Yes.
	And that's why I'm going to do a detailed exposition.
	Yes.
	With examples.
	I have done a video about it, which means cool.
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Alinsky is a very smart chap, and you're going to have to learn what he has to say.
	I know you don't like him, but you're going to have to do that.
	Absolutely.
	Is there anything else you'd like to say?
	There are many things, but you have many people to interview you.
	I do.
	Thank you for joining me.
	Thank you very much.
	Take care.
	Pleasure.
	Say that again.
	JTVG underscore BAT.
	Right.
	Why are you involved in Gambia?
	I sort of knew everything when it was the conspiracy.
	And I figured journalists wouldn't have been stupid enough to do what they did, and it would all have been all soiled out.
	Wouldn't have blown up to what it did.
	So you weren't expecting a combined personality.
	No, yeah, I know.
	I am their one of the audience.
	No.
	What kind of maniac are you?
	I know, it's insane.
	Are you saying that you're not very progressive and you're not on board with the mass shaming agenda?
	I'm not, unfortunately.
	I didn't see the...
	I'm too sane, I guess.
	I don't know.
	You thought they weren't going to go crazy.
	Yeah.
	I thought they might try to, oh no, not shoot themselves in the foot or decapitate their legs or whatever.
	I don't know.
	I think Julie's a captain.
	Well, yeah.
	Okay, dismember their legs.
	There we go, perfect people.
	But yeah, so, you know, I followed all the conspiracy stuff.
	And then when Game Gate properly kicked off, which was 27th?
	Yeah.
	And then the Gamers R over stuff here.
	And that had me pretty angry, actually.
	Why are you on Green?
	Tell people when you're angry.
	How much we have to drink, just so we can be clean.
	Not much.
	A few beers have to go early on before we ate.
	Well, I was trying to get really drunk people once.
	Yeah, and I've drunk enough.
	Okay, go on, tell it, tell people.
	I wouldn't do this if I was completely sober.
	Oh, that's good, because about 160,000 people would be busy.
	That's perfect.
	Yeah.
	The main reason I got involved was because I didn't like the bullying going on.
	Like Leo Xander and Ben Gucciera, they've got a history of it.
	Very history.
	Oh, Alexander.
	Yeah, I know.
	And that became more evident as Gamergate started to kick it off.
	It did.
	Yeah.
	And it's like her article, the original Games Orball after Dan Golding's.
	And it's the language he used and it was, I don't know, very offensive Remind people, remind people what the language was.
	Oh, the hyper-wailing piss baby consumers and all that stuff.
	Very mature language that these people who want a mature conversation.
	And this was on Ghana Sutra as well, which is supposed to be sort of a playstream.
	Yeah, which is supposed to be where game developers sort of go for.
	But it came across as it seemed to me, it seemed to attack sort of like people who would be onto the autistic spectrum, which, I don't know, isn't obvious.
	Well, it's obviously not very right.
	But it's like the language she used, it's like people who can't dress themselves, people who go to the late night openings or learning mornings.
	Victimising people who might actually be too emotionally or mentally insecure to defend themselves.
	Yeah, and that's how, and so that really annoyed me.
	So I've known a few autistic people.
	I went to university on a games course and there was a few on there.
	So I ended up like that.
	And then obviously it continued on with the other articles.
	And then the whole it's like anyone who saw Steve would have said, no, this is bullshit, was sort of called out as being a misogynist and everything like that.
	And that was wrong as well.
	So just so I've got your record, how much do you hate women?
	On the scale of say one to ten, one being a person who supports Gamergate and hates women.
	And ten being a mass murderer of women.
	It did probably be a one.
	There's no hatred for women.
	Of course.
	It's insane.
	It's silly that we didn't have to ask that question.
	I know, yeah.
	It's like, because, for example, League Sander had one article, and then the rest, I think, were all white men.
	I think one of them.
	But I can't remember that.
	No, no, it was all men.
	All white men, specifically.
	Yeah, aside from Arthur Chu's one.
	Well, that's true.
	Astro Arthur Chu was Asian, oriented.
	Yeah, so there is no hatred for women there.
	That's completely bullshit.
	Honestly.
	It has been since we're in the world.
	How many women have Gamergate chased out of the gaming industry?
	Grantos, zero.
	That's a really shit hate movie.
	We really shouldn't hate women.
	I'm actually kind of embarrassed that we're so bad at what we're doing.
	Yeah, it's like you go on Kotaku National, it's all about either drama or it's about ethics.
	And we're so shit at chasing out women.
	We can't focus on shit.
	That's embarrassing.
	Our email campaigns were always aimed at ethical breaches and concerns.
	It's like we went, we emailed the FTC to get things to do with disclosure policies and all the ad stuff to do with Amazon or affiliate links.
	That's right.
	And that didn't target women at all.
	What was the native advertising was that?
	Oh, that was it AdSense?
	And then it was actually native advertising on Qatar where they were disguising advertising.
	Oh, articles, yeah.
	Gamergate was responsible for getting them to disclose.
	Yeah, and that didn't tie women at all.
	Yeah, it's another disappointment from Gamergate.
	It's just a blunder.
	It's just kind of blunder after blunder.
	Yeah, and then we failed at chasing women out of the industry.
	We absolutely did.
	Now we just have to accept it.
	It always has been about ethics.
	It's a terrible transformation.
	I know it, yeah.
	Well, thanks a lot for joining me, man.
	No problem.
	I think we should definitely do it with a round of applause for that.
	Let's play video games.
	Sit me close.
	Right, so tell everyone to handle interstats, that's why an AI, I don't know.
	Right, okay, and why do you support Gamergate?
	How deep is your entire flight ten minutes?
	Sorry.
	I first got into Gamergate working the quincepiracy.
	It was just me and my friend basically laughing about it because we thought, well, I found it fucking hilarious.
	Just public talking.
	Internet drama.
	Internet drama.
	It's fun.
	But as it got on, I mean, I wasn't really public about anything until about October.
	And it was when Mike Shield was picking up an older campbell was making that Voice of the Voices video, and I took part in that and it got me so fucking angry.
	I was really fucking angry.
	Why is that?
	Well, it'd been a couple of times that I've been talking about it, just on Reddit, basically on Reddit, and everything that I was trying to say was completely dismissed.
	I was basically saying you don't understand what you're putting women through and stuff like this, because Reddit's pseudo-anonymous, and I was dismissed as a man.
	Come on, man, we're trying to record something.
	I'll get you on in a second, actually.
	It just.
	Sorry, keep starting that sentence again, please.
	I don't even know what I was saying.
	I mean, you were angry.
	Yeah, I was really fucking angry because I was just fed up at being dismissed, basically.
	I'm fed up for having my opinions dismissed just because it doesn't fit.
	So, have you been told that you don't exist?
	Oh, yeah.
	How many times?
	Well, I mean, how many times in this past year has Gamergate been just pushed off as a movement against women?
	And how much does your experience in Gamergate reflect?
	Absolutely zero.
	I mean, to be honest, I've met more people than I've ever got on with in my life in Gamergate.
	Is that something to do with your mental colleague?
	Of course.
	No, I actually.
	I've been quite shy.
	I mean, I'm quite a loner, I would say.
	I've always been quite a loner.
	I've only ever had a small group of friends, but during Gamergate, I've actually met a hell of a lot of people, and there's a lot more people willing to talk to me about my experiences.
	I've met a lot of people that have been through the same kind of things as I have in Gamergate, and that's talking about like disabilities and stuff like that.
	So it's been really possible.
	Oh, so you found it really supportive?
	Yeah, very supportive, actually, because during this last year, I was diagnosed with MS. Right.
	And there's been a lot of people in Gamergate that have reached out to me and DM'd me and stuff.
	Thank you, by the way.
	Sending me messages of support and advice.
	So it's been really wonderful for me.
	So what you're saying is that nobody has actually tried to run you out of game.
	In fact, no one's actually tried to run you out of game gate.
	I'm very disappointed in you all.
	Yeah, you're getting fucking lazy.
	We'll try better next year.
	Maybe next year.
	Maybe next year you could get rid of me.
	Well, thank you very much for coming to this.
	Wrong applause, please.
	Say it again.
	Keen gaze.
	Come in a bit.
	You two guys.
	Keen Ace.
	Keen Gaze.
	Keen Gaze.
	Oh, yes.
	Yes.
	And what's your involvement in Gaming?
	Well, I've been following it for a long time in the beginning.
	I only later got into it.
	And did you think it was a movement to get the Jews out of game?
	No.
	I think we'll have to try a little bit harder for that.
	I mean, we still have a lot of time ahead of us.
	There are still too many Jews here.
	Sorry, Carl.
	Why are you involved in this?
	Well the thing is at the time I was really um I was kind of angry at people um at journalists how they portrayed a science and natural sciences and how they would always uh misportray them, declare that cancer is cured every second week, um all these things and when Gamergate really started to take off it wasn't just about corruption for me anymore,
	It was just this uh, this entire sub part of entertainment, that the biggest part of the entertainment industry, the really biggest part of entertainment industry, got a really, really one-sided and negative portrayal, not just in the mainstream media, but in now in the gaming media as well.
	And this is these are the people that should be supporting us.
	These are the people that should be sticking with us and fight for a better portrayal of media.
	And we have been getting positive results from, from studies that show that it's not causing violence.
	It's actually making people better aware of immoralities, it's making people realize sexism faster, it's teaching children, it's improving the test scores of students.
	It's doing so many good things, but it's getting this constant negative stream of press in the past 20 or 30 years from all sides, and now even from within, and I think that's not the press itself, the people you would think would actually defend the whole.
	It was like backstabbing to me it was.
	It felt like I was being backstabbed by the people who were not even properly trained to speak for anyone, but who still claimed the position and claimed the money but accepted none of the responsibility, which was, don't run with the first thing, you see, actually dig deeper.
	You owe it to us.
	We give you the money you owe it to us.
	Actually um it's it's I, I think um, the Society OF Professional Journalists in their ethics code the uh, the prevent harm doing uh, what how?
	How exactly do they uh describe it?
	I can't remember.
	Can anyone remember exactly?
	Yes, find it for you.
	Yeah, the I yeah, find it and i'll uh, i'll edit this little bit out um, but it's beyond the keyboard shortcuts.
	I do not actually, you know, i'm actually really slow at editing.
	It's terrible.
	That's why my videos are shit.
	Um, you said that's.
	That's really, really sad, because i'm trying to model mine after yours.
	Jesus Christ, just one blank screen with with your avatar and that's it, and then constant droning on and talking, trying to work your, your voice down like the smooth buttons.
	Unfortunately, I don't think.
	I think you've kind of got to be born British.
	I hate sex.
	Yeah, I think i'll try to to like, adapt an accent.
	I don't have any rules.
	Yeah well, you can read out about these speeches.
	Yeah okay, there you go.
	right okay so um my beautiful assistant there has told me that has passed me the uh cited professional journalists ethics thing or at least part of it it's to encourage a climate in which journalism can be practiced freely and fully promote this flow of information to stimulate high standards and ethical behavior in the practice of journalism to foster excellence and And encourage diversity amongst journalists to inspire successive generations of talented individuals to become dedicated journalists.
	And finally, the society must main constant vigilance in protection of the First Amendment, guarantees freedom of speech and freedom of the press.
	Exactly.
	Now, do you think that the gaming press did that?
	Any of them?
	Zero out of ten.
	Really?
	Yes.
	Well, please expand.
	Well, first of all, they haven't encouraged anyone to do anything because they're constantly saying this sexist, women shouldn't go into tech, women are not welcome, gays are not welcome.
	These people are not welcome here.
	And this is a really negative climate and it's just exploiting a state that doesn't exist or that's made up for clicks.
	So the aim was not to congregate, process, and spread information.
	The goal was to generate revenue.
	So journalism was being made more and more like a business.
	Do you think that maybe the gaming press is contributing to any kind of atmospheric fear that women might have in the industry?
	Yes, definitely.
	Because when you talk to people and tell them that there's something bad behind the bushes that they can't see, they are going to be afraid of it.
	Whether it's there or not.
	Well, yeah, exactly, whether it's there or not.
	That's the point of it not being seen.
	Because it's weird that every time such a claim of misogyny or anti-gay is being made, it's a single comment.
	It's a single comment taken out of context.
	It can't really be verified.
	So it's really just putting the tiger behind the bushes.
	Okay, that's great.
	Is there anything else you've got to say?
	We could just cut it there.
	Maybe cut in some stabbing noises.
	Explanation marketable there.
	Yes.
	Now, if I did have a message to everyone who's watching, is that with a proof, with the living proof, with the acting proof that the press is wrong, we're not scared, we're not scared of them, and we're not scared of the boogeyman.
	Apparently, we are the boogeymen, so I don't think we should be scared of ourselves.
	Yeah, what is there to be scared of?
	But the thing is, to them, all gamers are boogeymen.
	And they definitely want to push in a new audience that I really can only describe as sand fran hipsters.
	because that's the kind of people that we see.
	They're not trying to change gaming.
	They're trying to kill it and replace it with something that looks similar and generates just as much venue because they are seeing that venue, that revenue.
	Revenue.
	I mean, it's a massive industry.
	It's attractive.
	Of course, there are people mooching off it.
	And we've got to get rid of these parasites because not everyone is welcome in every kind of culture.
	Can I just point something out?
	What?
	You're dressed like a hipster.
	I think you've put the lace cat on.
	Also, something you have...
	Mr. Ava says he needs to get good at him.
	Mr. Ava says he needs to get good at him.
	That's what's...
	What if I could have his Goonie beer, so...
	Awww!
	Thanks a lot for coming on my drawer tag on it.
	Thanks for being here.
	A round of applause, please.
	All right, Scotsman, come on.
	I need to show you the video.
	You do.
	How drunk are you?
	My information is.
	You know, still Scottish.
	I'm Scotch.
	That's right, you're asking me.
	No, you're not.
	Well, you're Twitter.
	Your Twitter handle is PPF on Warmblade.
	Right.
	And you're on Aethrif Radio.
	Say it right, man.
	Aerith Radio, you're supposed to be a gamer and you can't pronounce a watch a game or game or gamer.
	Come over here and they'll chuck you that fuck on me.
	It's a fucking gamer.
	Yo, fuck the crowd and talk to the camera.
	I've never been this hotline before.
	I love the crowd.
	How game is it?
	Aetherth radio.
	Aetherth radio.
	You do it right.
	I'm going to pretend that that was bad.
	I'm going to make you say it right.
	Say it in English.
	A-Earth.
	Aerith.
	Aerith.
	Radio.
	Aerith radio.
	Air.
	He got it, he did get it.
	So why are you in Jamie Game?
	Because I'm a gamer.
	That's the reason.
	No, that's a Damfi reason.
	What put you into it?
	Oh, okay.
	So it was, what is it?
	Is it Boogie92 whatever?
	So he had a YouTube video.
	He's quite a nice guy.
	I mean, everyone can say he's the nicest guy in the world, right?
	So he said, if you're on Twitter, look at hashtag gamer yet.
	So I had an old Twitter account that I don't use.
	I went on and I looked and I was like, yeah, and so I'm sitting back and seeing stuff.
	And then the gamers are dead articles came up and I was just like, oh, you got it.
	No!
	No!
	You're not dead.
	You will not do this.
	Tell me what you're responsible.
	No, no.
	Look, you're not going to get into that nonsense.
	Because I love you guys.
	It was James VI.
	It was actually.
	It was.
	He's a Scottish man who united the United Kingdom God, this colourful!
	Don't employ your head, get him again!
	He started that Go on, go.
	He started it, man.
	Go, Carol.
	But gamers are dead.
	Yes.
	Scottish bastards.
	No, they're not.
	No, they're not.
	You English fucker.
	You English journalists.
	Motherfuckers.
	And no, Scotland is not all misogynists.
	And we will not put up with this nonsense.
	And so the Scots formed the Game Game hashtag.
	Exactly.
	And we want freedom.
	Freedom.
	From bullshit, narratives, and our shit.
	That's a fair point.
	We all, like, look, the whole thing is gamers.
	We play games and everyone gets on.
	If you're good at games, we're like, come on, play games with us.
	Come on, man.
	If you're shit, look, this is the way it works.
	So you've got a group of people looking for a healer.
	Right?
	They're all waiting for a healer for 20 minutes.
	Exactly, right.
	So you get a healer that comes in, and the healer comes in and goes, I'm pretty good.
	And it's like, so you do the thing, and it ends up the healer's shit.
	It's like, fuck off your shit.
	Get out.
	That's pretty much gamers.
	Like, accept everyone.
	You'll accept everyone if you're good.
	We don't care about Jake or anything.
	Every good at it.
	So what you're talking about.
	What you're saying is get good scrub.
	Get good scrubs.
	And if you get good, you can join us.
	And if you've got FX, you can also join us.
	If you're good with FX.
	If you're shit, we're going to call you.
	What you're saying is someone's genitals or skin colour isn't really that important.
	No, what I'm saying is we really are and we're really misogynistic with you.
	Random applause, come on.
	I'm sure you'll be stationed.
	You can still leave a radio station.
	Okay, so me and he's not here, but one of the guys that organized this whole place is somewhere.
	We should show appreciation to Mega Mike.
	Ah, Mega Mike.
	On the Twitter.
	I don't know.
	Come on.
	But anyway, he is the co-host on a Friday night.
	Well, most of the time it's a co-host.
	Sometimes he doesn't appear and I've got another one.
	So it's shooting a shit.
	That's what it's called.
	I tried to rebuild on the radio.
	It is actually fun because Scottish people are funny.
	Racism!
	Well, not racism.
	That's not racism.
	Anyway, they all think that I'm the guy that he always speaks to.
	Oh, that's the guy that's gotten Scottish voices.
	I was like, no, that's that's racism.
	They all think you're him as well.
	I know, but I'm not.
	I know.
	Because that's racism.
	Thanks for coming on, man.
	Yeah, Ada February, man.
	Get on.
	You need to come on.
	I'll put a link in the description so you can get 24-7 game music.
	Yes.
	What's your Twitter analyzer?
	Knuckable.
	Fuckable without with an N.
	I mean, I will remember that.
	Nice.
	Okay, what would you tell people why you're not showing your face?
	Well, I do work in press and I do take quite a big dump on press regularly and I don't want to jeopardise that situation.
	Right, so you think that appearing on this video is going to check down your career?
	Yes.
	Why not?
	Well, because Gamergate itself has a very bad reputation and associating with it, even after a year, even after being validated by SPJ, I do think there is still a problem because journalism in general, even though SPJ acknowledged this, journalism in general basically takes the bait that outlets like Kotaku and all the others have put out.
	So do you think maybe it's because it's conveniently an easy narrative?
	Yeah, it is.
	Well, I mean, it's mostly just laziness.
	And this pretty much cuts into one of the main reasons I actually joined Gamergate.
	Like, the thing is, I mean, I've been a gamer for all my life.
	So, the narrative was obviously… Sorry?
	Or Anisa.
	Yeah, right.
	No, but the thing, the main reason, like I've been interested in journalism for a very long time, and my biggest pride, even before Gamergate with it, was the way in which they covered science.
	Like one big example was the way in which, for example, global warming or climate change had been covered.
	It's been very shitty, to put it mildly.
	I can believe it.
	I remember ClimateGate, in fact, where the leaked emails.
	Yeah, and the way in which they reported on them was so bad.
	It's just frustrating.
	So I've been interested in the way that journalism has been covering science for a very long time.
	So for me, it was only natural to get on with Gamergate because I saw that the same problems were in there.
	And one of the biggest problems I see right now is the way in which social sciences are getting coverage that they don't deserve.
	Social sciences do not even acknowledge.
	There's a reason why they're called social sciences.
	They aren't even acknowledged by scientists themselves.
	It isn't one of the biggest problems of social sciences, the people doing them though.
	Because I mean, I personally think there probably is valid science to be done in that way.
	But from what I see personally, is a massive amount of confirmation bias.
	Yes.
	People who are looking for an answer and they happen to find it every time.
	And it ruins the whole thing.
	But I have to cut some slacks to social sciences because once you read the peer-reviewed papers, and there are peer-reviewed papers, and you read more than just the abstract, you realize that they put caveats on everything.
	Like, there is one Twitter exchange I had back in May, I think, with somebody who actually quoted like a social science study to me.
	And I was like, sure, okay, let's talk about this.
	I was like, okay, let's let's take this as what you what you're giving it to me.
	And I read it.
	And then I pointed out to him more than the abstract.
	I went into the thing and I said.
	And they've got caveats.
	Have you seen the point in which they said, so we need to do more studies to confirm or deny this?
	And I just want to confirm that I've I've read a lot of social science studies and they do do this.
	Yes.
	None of their conclusions are ever solved.
	That's the thing.
	More work needs to be done here or here or here.
	And often I find that they've got a distinctly sort of activist bent to them.
	They're like, you know, if you know, people who are looking to do X should do Y.
	Yes.
	And what I find so frustrating is that this has never been covered.
	Like whenever, that's the platform that people like Sarkeesian use.
	They are using social sciences, or her and Josh and Tosh.
	Well, there's obviously the element of him, right?
	Yeah, no, no, he's he's he's he's a caricature all the design.
	Yes, and the thing is, what they do is.
	What they do is not wrong in the sense that they are covering what social sciences are doing, but they are basing it on this flawed assumption that, for example, um like just one one example is um.
	In social sciences, there's this belief and I'm just gonna call it belief that children are born as blank slates and everything that that happens to them afterwards is just the, the stuff that's social conditioning, and the problem is they're completely um, ignoring biology, which is very important, and they're also completely ignoring, like um, diseases or other ways in which your brain can be affected.
	There is so much that goes on behind the social stuff that is being completely ignored.
	And just one thing that I found frustrating about SPJ is, I mean, I do think we have such a solid basis for the ethics and I know you've you've been saying this pretty much yourself.
	You've said, this is the game.
	Nobody beats it, there's no answer to it.
	That's why Kurtzky and everyone was like, you have a point there.
	Yeah, this is this.
	Is your your victory?
	Right, it is, it is this.
	We haven't had this victory in social science or in the way that social sciences are being covered.
	Okay, and I do want this to happen.
	I do think this is the bigger battle.
	This is the battle that has been going on for way longer than gaming and it's happened like it's.
	It's invading gaming right now because social sciences are permeating a lot of the targets going on, there is a distinct bent towards um, and they, they make a very clear distinction.
	They, they say um, you know, video games cause aggression?
	Yeah, and it's okay, that's very interesting.
	But does aggression cause violence?
	Yeah, and that exactly.
	And they say, no, of course it doesn't.
	It's like, well then, I don't care if they're being aggressive people they, and literally I saw one where they were complaining about people having aggressive fantasies and I was just like listen thought please, I don't give a fuck if people having aggressive fantasies, they can have all the motherfucking aggressive fantasies they want in their own time, as long as it never translates to violence, which it doesn't, and we know through studies that it doesn't then why would I care?
	Yeah and y just to to put up a final point on this um bias and prejudice is not the problem.
	You know what's the problem?
	When you act on it, when you discriminate, that is where the problems come.
	Every child is biased.
	They did studies on babies.
	Babies are biased towards better-looking people.
	A baby will react differently to an ugly person.
	And I'm just putting it bluntly.
	It is true.
	More to this.
	But bias is not the problem.
	So you can, like, there's these microaggression tests that you can take that show how much of a racist you are.
	And sure, I have my biases.
	Sure, you can show this to me, but the problem is, why would I act on it?
	Yeah.
	Does it inform you?
	This is the final point that nobody has demonstrated right now.
	This is why I don't take anything they take.
	They tell me.
	Sure, I'm watching.
	Let's take, for example, do you know the movie Yeneva Zibli?
	It has a rape scene with Mari Tabellucci.
	I'm not familiar with this.
	Well, it's a rape scene.
	So, whatever.
	You can watch it, and you can be like, oh, yeah, that's nice.
	Do it to that woman.
	But you can also watch it and be completely disgusted by it.
	So the way in which you translate this into your emotions and everything is up to you.
	What people like Sarkisian are doing is they're saying there is only my way of interpreting this.
	So when you watch a rape scene, you are reinforcing this narrative that it's okay for guys to do this.
	Yeah, it's their opinion that no matter what you see, you're influenced by it.
	And if you think you're not influenced by it, then you're even more influenced by it.
	It's a Kafka trap.
	You can't get away from it.
	Where's the proof?
	Where's the beef?
	Yeah, but it's not even wrong.
	You can't be talking about it.
	It's not even wrong.
	It's like if you think you're not affected, then you're even more affected.
	It's like, so I can never not be affected.
	It's ridiculous.
	So it's unscientific.
	It is very much unscientific.
	And I do think that this is the problem we should be facing next.
	Because obviously we've won the battle of ethics.
	We've got to do it.
	They've got their ethics courses.
	Look at Deep Freeze.
	It's gorgeous.
	It's amazing, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	I want to talk about one more thing.
	Very quickly.
	So one thing I do think that I'm very much left.
	I am so left.
	I have my own things.
	You know, social justice warriors.
	I guess I could be if you want.
	I do care about social.
	But one thing that I do think Breitbart is doing right now, even though they are right-leaning, no Bride Bart in the room.
	That's good.
	Yeah, no, but the thing is, what they actually get about the current situation and what journalism doesn't seem to be getting is the internet is huge.
	It is so big, so many people just spend hours on Facebook and whatever, and they do not realize that this is the fight they should be fighting or that they should be engaging, and Breitbart actually does it.
	Yeah, you know, I think we all actually owe Breitbart a round of applause.
	Yeah.
	Being literally the only journalist account for governments.
	It's just a shame they're right-wing.
	It is a shame, but they haven't been outright lying.
	They haven't been over at risk, misrepresenting.
	You know, that's the thing that I actually hear from a lot of social justice warriors.
	They would complain that, oh, Milo Yannopus is unethical.
	And I'm like, okay, well, how is he unethical?
	And silence.
	He's not like, he's not like some sort of, name a famous journalist.
	Shit, I can't think of him.
	What's the name?
	Fuck.
	Just E. Eaton and Jesus.
	He's not a journalist.
	He has his moments and stuff, but he's not unethical.
	That's the thing they keep accusing, but they've got no substance for their accusations.
	And I have to hand it to Breitbart.
	The way in which they are engaging internet culture is uh, definitely maybe not quite the perfect way, but it's way better.
	It's a hell of a lot better than most you know.
	But most most um, most media outlets have got a history of being print outlets.
	That's the problem, and I think they don't really understand like the new world found themselves there.
	Thank you, mr. I appreciate that and, if we can give him a round of applause as a black woman, we're now parading you for an anti-politics purpose, excellent.
	So what's your twitter handle?
	Uh, Zombie Nate, although that's not how it's spelled.
	How do you spell it?
	Uh, in for november, e-i-t-h.
	To Meath.
	Meath to anyone normal, but nice to.
	Where do you come from?
	zone of the enders you philistine So i've got to become principal.
	You don't even know who came up, so tell us about your involvement in games here.
	How was you tearing on twitter?
	Oh fucking shit posting.
	Yes, that's definitely me.
	Well, I came along in august last year after, vaguely after UM Internet Aristocrats videos hit after what I saw basically as a huge fucking mischaracterization of the gaming community, and that's what pissed me off enough to to join the fray, so to speak.
	Well, go on.
	What what, what?
	In what way were they being mischaracterized?
	Oh, this harping on about being exclusive and and a hostile environment for women, that's the biggest crock of shit i've ever heard.
	Are you telling me, as a black woman, you have not yet been driven out of games?
	That is correct.
	I have never met the same fate as Reina Punjabi women in gaming.
	What did I expect?
	For anyone not familiar, that's the UM SVU UH episode about Game Game where yes, that was exactly where there's.
	You can't be a part of the gaming community as a woman of colour without the threat of sexual violence booming at every turn by people who have tried.
	Yeah, but i've never been pulled up for any sort of role call to identify myself or what colour I am pulling their weight.
	Yeah, because i'm in team speak and nobody's nobody's quizzing me about what colour I am or what genitals I have or what games you play.
	Yeah, that's really lax in policing.
	Just being a white male situation is this?
	Are they?
	Are you saying that this is an inclusive hobby?
	That's exactly why that is a bit of a narrative buster and I don't think I will have to edit this out of this video.
	It's against the social justice agenda.
	You can check my steam, my X5, my PSNY for years in total ruse.
	But the point I'm making is that I've had these accounts for years and not once have I had any sort of problem of that calibre.
	The only real issue is if you expect special treatment.
	Oh, that's an interesting.
	That's a very interesting thing.
	This is when you're going to get whip on for being female because if you go into Counter-Strike or Left the Dead and go, oh, don't flirt with me, silly boys, you're going to get yourself in trouble.
	You're here to play the game, and if you're not playing it right, you're going to get kicked, or they're going to tell you to get in the kitchen, not because you're a girl, but because you've got a girl on the internet syndrome where you think that everybody should just trip over themselves to do favours for you.
	Are you saying that it's down to entitlement?
	That's exactly what I'm saying.
	Oh, it doesn't matter that I'm shit at the game because girls don't play games and that's amazing and special.
	No, it's not.
	Play the fucking game.
	Come on.
	Put your flaps away and get on with it.
	I may have just hit the nail right on the head first.
	So is there anything you want to say?
	Anything else?
	I think that's about it.
	Thank you so much, Adrian.
	I appreciate it.
	So what's your Twitter handle?
	My Twitter handle is AngelHeartKnight.
	Right.
	And my name on Twitter is Angela Knight.
	I'm very familiar with Angela.
	Yeah.
	You've followed me for a little while now.
	I have.
	I'm pretty good, yeah.
	I'm a wild feminist, it peers.
	So why?
	Why would a feminist be supporting Gamergate and all those misogynists?
	Well, I'm a choice feminist.
	Oh, you're a heritage.
	Exactly.
	I've been for some years now.
	Oh, wow.
	And I talked a lot on Twitter about gaming and about feminism before Gamergate occurred and most of the- I'm sorry, a vocal choice feminist online who doesn't agree with any Sarkeesian.
	Mmm.
	Yeah.
	Do you know that you have been effectively banished into the wilderness?
	Yes, yeah, I'm very, very unpopular among them.
	And you've found solace with neckbeats, is what you're saying.
	Well, to be fair, I've always gone very well with neckbeards.
	My husband has a neckbeard.
	I love a neckbeard.
	Sorry, go on.
	Basically, what it was, I was there at the start of Gamergate, and it was very, very interesting to me to start with.
	And at first, I kind of just sort of blew it off when the Zoe post broke, partly because I'd never heard of Zoe Quinn, I'd never heard of any of the players.
	And then I watched the story progress, and I realised that as a feminist and as a woman gamer, I've been gaming for over 25 years, and I've never experienced the so-called boys' club of gaming.
	Gaming has never been anything new.
	Gaming's never been anything but welcome.
	Why are there so many women in this room?
	Get out of here!
	Get out of here!
	Okay, so nobody's forced you out of gaming, and you've been gaming for quite a long time.
	This is rather incongruous with what we've been told.
	Well, this is the thing, this is part of why I supported the Gamergate hashtags, because I was fed up with seeing men that I knew had only ever treated women with respect and courtesy, completely just derided and labelled as misogynists, woman haters for saying that they were driving women out of gaming.
	And I knew that that was a crock of shit.
	I knew that that was absolute rubbish.
	And when I looked at it more, I realised that it seemed to me that it was because gaming journalists realised that they were becoming irrelevant, that they were becoming obstructed.
	Because social media has made it so that if you want to talk to a game designer, if you want to talk to a game developer, you can do.
	You can talk to them.
	And they can talk directly to you.
	Exactly.
	And we don't, if you want to know what's going on in the gaming world, you can look at Twitter, you can look at channelsites, you can look anywhere.
	It's all right there.
	You don't have to read gaming journalism anymore.
	And so they seem to have gone to radical feminism and ideologues as a way to retain their relevancy in gaming.
	And I realised that as a woman gamer and as a feminist as well, none of their voices, none of anything that they were saying actually represented me or what I thought in any way whatsoever.
	So I decided to start my own blog, The Thoughts of a Feminist Gamer blog, which I contribute to regularly, which is just my personal perspectives on issues in gaming and issues and feminism.
	So basically, with Gamergate, what it was is what things like this, this event here, show is that gamers are not dead, far from it.
	In fact, not everybody is a gamer.
	There's this whole thing of trying to deride the word gamer and remove it completely by saying everyone is a gamer.
	And no, not everyone is a gamer.
	My mother-in-law plays video games.
	Does she call herself a gamer?
	No.
	So what is a gamer exactly?
	Well, a gamer is somebody who plays video games and is involved in gamer culture and actually identifies as a gamer game.
	It's something to do with it being their primary hobby, perhaps?
	Yes, absolutely.
	Yeah, it's the thing that it's not just something that they do to pass the time, it's a thing that they make time for.
	It's a thing that is a very huge part of their lives.
	Very interesting.
	And not everybody is a gamer, but a gamer can be anybody.
	That is fantastic.
	Thank you very much for joining us.
	You're very welcome.
	I'm on the right, so telephone Twitter handler.
	Underscore Shemmy underscore.
	Yeah, what can you do at this game?
	So you organised Gamergate in Birmingham.
	Woo!
	How do you please?
	Yeah, as I was saying earlier, when S Butz is going to be reviewing S Giljo.
	I did answer it to me.
	Unfortunately, Sarah, there were no children.
	I'm sorry.
	I don't see that.
	Now, I'm going to say, actually, I had a discussion with her earlier on today.
	And I rarely speak to her.
	And I said... Notice how we're using your proper pronouns, bitch.
	And I said... This must be a big day for you as well.
	Because you spend all your time talking about us.
	She does.
	She's not having sex with kids.
	The truth hasn't been spoken.
	So, I just wish to happy Gamergate Birthday.
	We got no response, of course, because there was no answer.
	There was no angle to take.
	But a few gamergaters did the same and retweeted a favourite, did it?
	And it was just nice.
	There was no insults exchanged.
	It was just.
	Maybe slightly tongue-in-cheek.
	Sincerity.
	But.
	Sincerity.
	So, what got you into Gamergate?
	Oh, weird angle.
	I was watching a by-election that the UK IP would due to.
	Yeah, tell me about it.
	I'll try and cut down the story, but UKIP led you to Landslide sometime last year, November time.
	And I got into a debate on Twitter with a former UCL NUS president.
	Right.
	If you think of the recent UCL sort of diversity officer-y type.
	Yeah, no, I'm thinking.
	That's the ultimate, honey.
	Yeah, I'm thinking very much conformity of thought.
	Yes, I would go along with that.
	Best way to describe it.
	I was not, as I was saying before, liberal attitude.
	I'm not a huge UKIP fan.
	Her reason for disagreeing with them was that they're all great white men.
	Isn't that a rather racist and sexist?
	That was my question.
	I thought, well, we're on a single side on this.
	We've got the policies that we can shake down.
	Of course.
	And she insisted that it was because they were straight white men that there was a problem here.
	I said, well, how do you know they're straight?
	But that was, by the way, how do you know that they're men?
	Yes.
	Oh, yeah.
	That's rather transparent.
	It was, yeah.
	This was a long and drawn-out conversation, as we now are used to.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	And it just made me raised a few questions.
	And there was some fascinating backstory I won't go into there where she was at one point pro-Israel and was pro-Palestine, changed her name when she had a vote to get it kicked out.
	It was proper.
	Aren't they mutually exclusive?
	That was the bit that really caught me.
	But long story short, a baby query.
	And then up until then, I'd heard of GamingGate.
	I did assume it to be a bit of chan fun.
	And I brushed it off as that.
	Of course.
	I will admit, that's all.
	I think it's important to know that chan culture is very much tongue-in-cheek.
	Yes.
	People seem to have failed to understand that it's shit posting a map.
	Hugely.
	It's fun.
	Yes.
	Very little of it is serious.
	I think, as someone who's been a gamer for years, I did, I said, just assuming that's what it was.
	And something had some, yeah, I can imagine some meaty story had blown up.
	And I didn't go in because I assumed that some of the accusations were true.
	Of course.
	Anyway, next day, after this discussion with my friend, Roberto Rosario?
	Yeah.
	Went down with a blockbot.
	Right.
	Tell people about the blog bot.
	Well, at this time, it wasn't that big, as far as I can remember.
	It was when it was really starting to disturb some headlines because of KFC being blocked.
	KFC being pro-GamingGate, obviously.
	And in this case, the minority pro-female development chairman of Puerto Rico and IGDA.
	Yep.
	Who has got a huge list of achievements and things that he's tried to get girls into GamesDev.
	And he was on the blog bot.
	And he was a little bit aggrieved about that.
	As you can imagine that he would be.
	And tell people what the blog bot is, just sorry, quickly.
	Well, it's a list of all of us who have had wrong thoughts at some point.
	Wow, that's a great summary.
	That is a fantastic summary.
	It's people who have literally had the wrong thoughts and acted on them.
	Well, I asked for the recent extension to the furrykin blockbot.
	I didn't know what the furry.
	Yesterday.
	Oh, Leo Pirates.
	Was that his domain, I think?
	I haven't seen it.
	Yeah, I think, well, could be wrong, but I was reading a story that they've now developed a furry kin Well, more than one term.
	You are a sexist term.
	No, no, no, no, no, that's interesting.
	My online handle, Sarah Cad, is, in fact, a harassment term.
	Yeah, sexism.
	Yes, specifically sexism.
	And you see anti-GG.
	Dear ladies in the room, I apologise.
	You can't name him anymore.
	Well, I've got someone else had to do this, really.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, at the time, it was ramping up.
	And these people were being clawed in, and plus people were being clawed in.
	And he was angry, and he got no support from the IGDE, as far as I was aware.
	In fact, they seem to support the view that he should be on there.
	Which lifting my Andre.
	And so the block bot is a list of people in the industry and on Twitter who support Gaming Gates and are opposed to the corruption in the industry.
	Apparently.
	Apparently.
	Isn't it just configured based on people who followed?
	Well, yeah, undesirables, that's a good word.
	No, we don't.
	Follow the untouchables, that's it.
	This is an area I'm not, I will admit I'm not great on it because we've got the two block bots, haven't we, now?
	Where are you following quote-unquote undesirables?
	Versus the other one where you get submitted reports.
	Yeah, you can get reported to it.
	So I think that all will call this wrong think.
	Yeah, huge.
	And I mean, these are all happening.
	Sometimes, I mean, it's not crime think because nobody's committed any crimes.
	Indeed.
	It's simply being someone who thinks orthodoxy against the party.
	Anti-orthodoxy.
	Yes.
	Against the party.
	Supporting others that may engage in that.
	Wow, yeah, that's even better.
	Guilt by association.
	You're not even doing something wrong.
	You're following someone who has done something wrong.
	Yes.
	That is very good.
	It's increasingly that where it is by association.
	I just saw someone getting hell yesterday because they've got giving it friends.
	And they were staunchly neutral.
	And they were getting hell for it and giving it friends.
	That is absolutely awful.
	Again, last night, that was.
	That is actually such a terrible thing.
	It's hard to make a joke about it.
	Yes, it is.
	It really is.
	And I've had so much to drink.
	Actually, should it's a party?
	I know.
	I literally make a joke about the Holocaust earlier.
	Okay, alright.
	You've given me contact now.
	You're now unofficially a denier.
	Oh!
	I've been slammed forever.
	Yeah, I've got killed by association, so so am I.
	Oh, you did it!
	I wasn't even here!
	What you're saying is that you're joke.
	But thanks a lot for coming on.
	Thank you for coming.
	Thanks for organising.
	He organized gaming in London, and without him, none of us would be here, so...
	I'm trying to break down the stereotype that all gamers are obese white men.
	Work the approval.
	You identify as a wolf.
	The point is, you're trans thing.
	That's the important thing, man.
	Thanks a lot.
	Thank you.
	So, what's it like running for Broadway?
	What's it like to sell out to a rambling rank?
	Well, you know, I think they represent true liberalism at this point.
	Amazing.
	Freedom and process.
	And the American way.
	Well, I'm not so much.
	The American way.
	But let's talk about cultural libertarians.
	Cultural libertarians.
	That is an article that you wrote that has pretty much gone kind of viral.
	It's sort of gone mental, yes, because I think a lot of people were looking for this.
	I think it's kind of the fact that it was my face on the front that really got.
	Oh, absolutely, yeah.
	It goes without saying.
	Definitely your name recognition, I think that's.
	Without a doubt, Adam Bold and Chris Rock, not really.
	Yeah, those are fine there.
	I haven't even heard of them, you know.
	Exactly.
	I had to Google them for the article on that.
	Exactly.
	So do tell everyone about cultural libertarians.
	I do think, as you say, it's an important concept whose time has come.
	It is a concept whose time has come, and I think that's why it did so well on social media, because a lot of people are looking for a way to describe their opposition to the kind of intolerance that seems to be growing both on social media and university campuses.
	Triggering.
	This is not a safe space.
	It's not a safe space, I feel.
	It's something very unsafe.
	So this is a present that someone has got for Milo.
	I believe it's Applejack, the pony, which is his favourite.
	I will keep Applejack safe and I will make sure he gets it and make sure that she's in good condition.
	She doesn't have an M4, unfortunately.
	That's what initially attracted Milo to Apple Jacks.
	She was holding an M4 in one of her pictures.
	Oh, really?
	But I'm sure we can change that.
	So this is Applejack.
	We have a Brony here.
	I'll get him on in a minute.
	He's got Brony dog tags.
	Don't be ashamed of your Brony dog tags.
	Apparently, the Brownie used to be a DJ at his university and he played a mixture of, I think it was brony metal, which is a thing.
	Wow.
	Brony metal issues.
	Don't be ashamed.
	Do not say ashamed.
	Now tell me about it later.
	It's great stuff.
	Sorry, yeah.
	Tell us.
	We are interested when cultural libertarianism.
	But Applejack is really much more interesting, I mean.
	That's true, but I think let's go to cultural libertarianism.
	So there has been a rise in intolerance in the past few years.
	I mean, there's always been a group in society that has tried to control other people, and they've always found different vehicles to exactly control.
	So in the past, it would have been, in the 1980s, they might have joined the moral majority, the Christian right.
	If they wanted to control people, control art, control what people can think, what people can say.
	Today, the Christian right isn't that powerful.
	So they instead join the progressive movement, cultural progressivism.
	That's how people have an instinct to bully people, an instinct to control people.
	That's how they achieve their goals.
	Yes.
	And this is a very new thing you see on the university campuses with safe spaces.
	How new is it really though?
	I mean, it's at least about five years old.
	Well, there was a growth that you saw.
	It was just confined to early signs of it in the 1990s with the rise of political correctness.
	But there was a huge pushback against that and the interesting thing is they needed a critical mass, didn't they?
	Yeah, they didn't have a critical mass in the 1990s, which is why they failed, was write political correctness to a sort of joke.
	As there's a poll today, 71% of Americans feel that political correctness has gone too far.
	So they really failed in pushing that idea.
	And interestingly, the people who pushed back against political correctness in the 1990s, very familiar names.
	Bill Mayer, Christina Hoff Summers, Kathy Young, these were all people who were very involved in the pushback against political corrects in the 1990s.
	And they're today involved in what I call cultural libertarianism.
	Now, if we were to describe them politically, would it be accurate to call them liberals?
	Yes, I think cultural libertarians have a lot in common with classical liberalism.
	The problem with the word liberalism is that it's been muddied by people who aren't really liberals.
	Now, this is something I'm very much a big fan of.
	Using your article, I will be following up this with a nice long video about how progressives are not liberals.
	Well, I look forward to it because that is absolutely true.
	And one of the things I try to do sometimes is draw a distinction between progressives and liberals because they're necessarily not the same groups.
	Because when you've got liberals who like, say, free market capitalism, unregulated, well, less regulated laissez-faire, freedom of expression, freedom of speech, freedom of press, these are all things progressives have actively campaigned against.
	Yes.
	Well, I mean, the interesting thing is you can be a cultural libertarianism or a classical or a cultural liberal without being right-wing on economics.
	So, for example, you know, Oscar Wilde, he was a socialist, but he believed very passionately in the freedom of artists to create whatever they want.
	Noam Chomsky, another one.
	George Orwell wrote like he was a socialist.
	So we'll get past the distinction between left and right in the culture wars.
	I think that was a historical anomaly because in the 1990s, the left went sort of advocated for abortion rights, for gay rights, and the right advocated against them.
	So it seemed like left and right mapped onto libertarianism and authoritarianism.
	That's not so true anymore because the left are now becoming increasingly authoritarian.
	They want to control speech.
	They want to control art.
	They want to police the boundaries of culture, thought, yes.
	That's what worries me the most.
	It's not just what people say.
	They want to actually control what people think.
	And, you know, also even, you know, with the affirmative consent law, so even going into the bedroom and trying to get government to regulate the bedroom.
	There is something they want to do.
	This is something that people accuse the right of doing, and it was correct for a while.
	They said Democrats want the government.
	Republicans want the government out of the boardroom but in the bedroom because they want to regulate things like gay relationships.
	But now the left is trying to regulate the bedroom as well.
	So they're trying to call all they're trying to control all facets of human behaviour as authoritarians have historically done.
	Just to jump in there, I think that's important.
	Just to stress the difference that the importance isn't the left and the right.
	The importance is authoritarian and libertarian because ultimately people on the right who are still libertarians are very not going to directly interfere with the people on the left who are libertarians.
	No, exactly.
	They're going to let you do what you want and do and actively let you operate as a political activist within the bounds of the law and the structure that already exists.
	Indeed, so there have always been a libertarian faction to the right who are opposed to control, opposed to censorship.
	There's always been a libertarian faction on the left.
	What's happened on the left is the libertarian faction has lost power.
	And the people who are controlling sort of major left-wing activist groups and political parties even, they do want to control people.
	So now what's happening is the libertarians of the left and the right are joining forces and finding that they have more in common with each other than they do with their own sort of left-wing or right-wing movements.
	I think one of the important things to stress is that both sides are willing to operate within the political boundaries.
	As in, they seem very pro-democracy.
	Vote for what you want.
	Make your arguments in the free market for ideas and people will vote for you and that is how it will be decided.
	It's not to be decided by simply slapping a label on someone, bullying them out, shouting them down.
	That's not the way to do things.
	Well, this is what authorities always do because they're always in the minority.
	People generally don't like being told what to do.
	They don't like being censored.
	So authoritarians have to use these silencing tactics.
	They have to colonise the media, colonising, colonised academia and centres of cultural power because they're into such small minorities that have to sort of acquire larger platforms to make themselves seem louder and more numerous than they are.
	Just to quickly hijack that opinion, is it a coincidence that the authoritarian leftists are so good with media?
	They're so good with propaganda.
	At how well the videos and the media they produce are produced.
	Well, I think this is partly due to academia as well, because all the top journalists will go to big universities and on these universities they will encounter the oppression studies professors, the cultural studies, gender studies, etc., etc.
	Mainly in America.
	I think Britain is slightly better on this, but that's where they'll pick it up, and there'll be a lot of peer pressure to conform to left-wing opinions because young people tend to be left-wing and there'll be a lot of peer pressure, really.
	And you see stories from American campuses about people who are conservative and you'll be really bullied.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's exactly how it works.
	It's quite socially ostracized in terms of the world.
	Although that does happen in this country as well.
	It does happen.
	Well, yeah, some universities are a little bit immune because they have a conservative culture like Oxford or Cambridge.
	But yeah, in most universities, because most young people are so left-wing, you'll sort of be ostracized a little bit if you're too conservative.
	So I think that that's how they...
	And I think especially with new media, especially with the internet, the journalists are so young that they still retain that sort of radicalism, because eventually people too get to grow out of their sort of young radical beliefs.
	But new media journalists, internet journalists, haven't really done that yet.
	I think that because people on the left, the extreme progressors, are so young, I think they've also been very savvy with new technologies.
	I always find that the production values of, say, sort of extreme leftist propaganda, the progressive propaganda, I always find it very high.
	It's always very slick, and I'm not saying it is right.
	It's always very well produced and it's always, they understand how.
	Well, I mean, the oppression quest, I think, would be the counterpoint.
	Oh, yeah, but feminist frequency, look at the quality of those videos.
	I don't know, it's just speaking with a green background.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	But the Macintosh knows all the keyboard shorts.
	Exactly.
	That's the end of one.
	I mean, he's not the only one.
	Whenever I watch, like, it's obviously some universal...
	He's a trans-media artist.
	He is.
	But that's the point.
	I think they've been very much forward in engaging with the way to engage with media in the modern era.
	Whereas I think the sort of more classical liberals and right-wing have been very sort of slow to engage in these projects.
	Actually, I'm not so sure.
	I think the right-wing were the first action.
	They got on the initial blogs before social media, way before anyone else.
	So Ron Paul ran the original internet campaign, really, before Obama, before anyone else.
	And I think, but this is like the new media.
	So Web 2.0, but Web 1.0, which really conservatives like Matt Grudge and Andrew Breitbart really revolutionised that.
	But with the new media, with social media, the Lebesgue's been very good at social media.
	That's what I'm talking about.
	They've been ahead of the curve.
	Very much.
	Well, I think there's a reason why they like social media so much.
	Because there's been a, like a couple of years ago there was a huge concern and a panic that people were putting too much information, personal information, online.
	Places like Facebook, Facebook would be like the Starzie's wet dream because people are putting all their information in this and anyone can search it.
	You're like just handing it to the government.
	Exactly.
	So if you like controlling people, this is perfect because you can see where they work, you can see what their name is, what they have, who their friends are, who their relatives are.
	I mean, this happened to you with University of Professor.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	So I think this is why cultural authoritarians really like social media.
	It's a great way to control people.
	But no, I mean that.
	The thing I've noticed is I found that right-wing outlets are kept, they're trying to play catch-up with clay packs.
	They're very much.
	I find like, you know, they're a very good idea.
	I heard Breitbart's right.
	Yeah, but you weren't first.
	That's the thing.
	They weren't there first.
	No, no, no.
	Breitbart was their way before.
	Maybe sexy.
	No, Gorgo was there first.
	Gorka was there first, and they're big.
	They know how to do it.
	I think you guys are.
	I think Gorka is sort of on the last legs.
	They are now.
	But the point is we're at the end of like six years worth of you know Gawker polluting the internet.
	I think they got their first and I think they were confident from Bold and Web.
	But I think that ultimately everyone else can everything.
	I think there's a half-life to it and I think there's a limited life to it.
	We have to understand that there are two internet: there's the social internet and there's the anonymous internet which was there before the social internet.
	Yes.
	And the reason why cultural authoritarians hate the anonymous internet is because you can't publicly shame people if they're anonymous.
	Yes.
	And this is what we're seeing now, we're seeing the clash between the anonymous internet and the social internet.
	And I think the reason why they hated Gamergate so much, that was the anonymous internet invading their space.
	Invading the petition sites, invading Twitter, invading all these platforms that they used to own completely.
	And they did it better than they did.
	There were more of them.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	No, absolutely.
	I think that's a great point.
	There were more of them and they understood the media.
	That's the thing.
	And that's the thing.
	My mind dude, are you that they knew how to meme?
	Absolutely.
	It's our future they chose.
	They chose to make war with the United States.
	Exactly.
	Who's going to outship those a professional shit poster?
	Let's be honest ourselves.
	That was fucking stupid.
	Don't declare warm channel.
	They're too autistic.
	Jeez.
	Bukari are you talking to Lafayette.
	Shut up, Bukari.
	Alan, thank you for joining me.
	I really appreciate it.
	Because I've not earned my time here like that.
	What's your Twitter?
	My name is Twitter handle, G-S-D-S-T-U-S-T-E-V-B.
	No plug, but I need to get a thousand.
	No, no, you take your pony, Alan.
	I threw that, by the way, but he convinced me, so I'm absorbing responsibility.
	First of all, nice to meet you, right?
	I'll keep it short.
	I only want to make one point out of all of this.
	And it was when I first joined, right?
	I was maybe a year ago, borderline social justice warrior.
	Two years ago, definite social justice warrior.
	I literally, you go back.
	You leave his problem glasses alone.
	No, right?
	You go back one year, borderline social justice warrior.
	You go back two years.
	I literally, you'll find me two years ago saying the line, don't teach rape prevention, teach men not to rape.
	Okay, so I used that line on Twitter, right?
	Now that you do it.
	That's the question.
	This is like our colleague.
	Oh, I was so crazy.
	Oh, my God.
	No.
	Seriously.
	But, like, I used that line, I was like, I still felt a bit like.
	But, nevertheless, right, I got to the point of a year ago, and it was probably, I don't know the exact date, but it was when Milo dropped his Game Journal Pro story.
	And I would have never clicked a Breitbart link up until that point.
	I would have never fucking imagined that.
	Don't take it personally, Alan.
	No, honestly.
	Don't take it personally at all.
	Because the only information I had of Breitbart was from, and I'm serious now, the Young Turks.
	Swear to God, swear to God, that says it all.
	So this isn't a message to Gamergate.
	This isn't a message to Gamergate supporters.
	This is the message to the few anti-Gamergate people who still don't have, aren't triggered enough not to watch your videos.
	So maybe a lot of them do.
	Yeah, that's true.
	If you honestly think Gamergate is right-wing just because people like Milo talk about it, and just because Milo dropped the Game Journal Pros leak, I fucking despised Breitbart.
	But all I saw was, right, there were people like Jen Frank at The Guardian, and Jen Frank said she was willing to disclose it, and The Guardian didn't disclose it when she was financially tied to Zoe Queen.
	But nevertheless, The Guardian wasn't willing to disclose it.
	And then Milo came and dropped the Game Joiner Pros League, and I thought, this is too big a story not to click on.
	Surely these people are all just misogynist harassers.
	And I was buying the narrative because it was all the people I trusted from Media Prior.
	And I trusted it, and I thought, this is too big a story.
	Why isn't anybody else talking about this?
	Why is it only Breitbart talking about this?
	So I clicked on it.
	And from that point on, I was reading Nero articles.
	So if you think Gamergate is right-wing, just because people like Nero are right-wing, or just because you can just because some fucking idiots think they can say that Christina Summers is a lot of people.
	It's so goddamn left-wing that anyone looks like.
	Yeah, yeah, it's like there's this little sliver of left-wing, and then everybody else is right-wing.
	Everyone else, yeah.
	But like, they paint Christina Summers as right-wing.
	Milo, you can say, is actually right-wing.
	I mean, he votes for fucking conservative in this country, for Christ's sake.
	But nevertheless, I would have never clicked that Breitbart link if the places like The Guardian hadn't dropped the ball so fucking bad.
	How bad can you drop the ball?
	There was an article that came out.
	That's not very flattering to Breitbart.
	That's not what you're working for, I'm not having your first clue.
	Yeah, that I really do.
	That should be, like, a red flag for the scene.
	That should be a red flag suggesting how left-wing I was.
	I was willing to trust The Guardian even at that point.
	They were already losing the plot at that point, but I still bought into all that shit.
	But they weren't breaking this story, and they were pushing the game as a harasser's narrative.
	And I was like, I can get it, I can sort of get it.
	Maybe people do send shit to female gamers, and I just don't see it.
	But then I was thinking, actually, when I'm online and there are women gamers playing, nobody gives a shit news.
	Nobody gives a shit what genitals you've got.
	It's like, can you take the sniper out on the hill?
	No.
	Get the fuck out of our team.
	Get fuck out of our squad.
	What are you doing here?
	I shout so much abuse.
	The only time I've ever shouted abuse at people online is when they're on my own team and they fuck up.
	It doesn't matter if they've got a vagina.
	It's not Tito, get the fuck out.
	It's, can we kill this guy?
	Can you take out the tank?
	That's it.
	I was part of the team.
	Why didn't me call it?
	Exactly.
	Right.
	So when Milo dropped the Game Joiner Pros League and The Guardian didn't report on it, The Guardian didn't report on the legitimate conspiracy.
	It was a coordinated effort.
	It was a coordinated effort to put those gamers and dead articles out.
	You know what?
	What worries me is it might actually not have been a coordinated position.
	It doesn't need to be a coordinated effort.
	That's the worrying thing, isn't it?
	You know, you would think so.
	You would think, given that we know that they had a journalist list, a secret mailing list, that they coordinated their efforts through, and they did coordinate their efforts through.
	We've got evidence of it.
	It worries me that it might not have been a conspiracy.
	If it's not conspiracy, it's them all holding the exact same positions.
	And if they're holding the exact same positions.
	I'll do that in a second.
	If they're not holding the exact same positions.
	Sorry, if they're not deliberately coordinating, it means they're all holding the exact same position.
	And that's basically in tune.
	That's exactly what you saw.
	That's exactly what you saw, Ben Kichera doing.
	Exactly what you saw it.
	If it wasn't coordinated, that means people were pressured into holding those positions and that is exactly the main section!
	It's like dominoes or something you...
	The first domino goes and then the others goes!
	All agree, completely exactly.
	Everybody thinks online.
	It's social justice.
	It's anti-racism.
	Of course, everybody's against racism.
	So we must be pro-social justice.
	And you get into that mindset as soon as you start applying tribal thinking to it.
	As soon as you start thinking, well, the right wing is bad and the left wing is good, you start letting the left get away with so much.
	Oh, yes.
	And that's what I did.
	Yeah, that's what I did.
	That's why I was so left-wing.
	And that's why when I actually started reading Nero articles and Alam's articles, I was like, shit, all this shit that I've heard from the left saying, oh, the left is just all this shit that the places like Breitbart have said about the left, and it's all just seemed ridiculous to me.
	And then the left has said stuff about the right, and I just believed it.
	So what you're saying is you flipped completely right wing and now you're voting Donald Trump.
	I'm not.
	No, no, I won't go that far.
	Please don't believe that!
	Oh lord!
	The big hair has swayed me!
	No, yeah.
	Like I said, I've not kept it as short as I planned on.
	But anyway, right, fucking.
	The left wing has dropped the ball so bad that I've questioned all that I've heard from the left wing about the right wing.
	I do think they've discredited themselves.
	And if Anti-Gamergate is bitter about Gamergate appearing right wing, it's their own fucking fault for not keeping the journalists to some ethical standards.
	If there was ethical standards in the first place, there wouldn't have been such bad reporting that drove people like me, who were so far left-wing towards the right-wing.
	I'd say I'm centrist now, but it doesn't really mean anything.
	It's Alam's cultural libertarian, I am now.
	But even that seems too broad a sense now.
	All I will say is, it's the left's own fault for Gamergate appearing right-wing when it's actually left-wing libertarian.
	Thank you, man.
	That's what I'm saying.
	Brilliant.
	So it's a twist handle.
	Meghan Michael 1983.
	Mega Michael 1983.
	Tell me about GamingGate, Mike.
	I don't know.
	I mean.
	Why did you get involved?
	Well, this is as good as it can be.
	I saw the gamers that were.
	And I was kind of like, oh, okay.
	So I've spent nearly 30 years playing Zelda.
	Suddenly that makes me a terrible person.
	You are over as a demographic.
	Apparently, so.
	I have a beard and I'm white, technically.
	Why do you hate one book?
	If you met that we're going to live with you, no, I couldn't.
	No, and yeah.
	It's one since I don't understand it because on one side of my family we've got Irish immigrants, right?
	And on the other side we've got Jews.
	Yeah, sorry, Jews, everyone.
	Yes.
	No one's from Polymer.
	We don't know this couple of stars.
	There are a few.
	But both of us are matriarchal societies, if you are.
	So I literally, I can't even comprehend.
	Why do you hate the Nazis?
	It's the Sixth Berillion.
	It was that shower that one time.
	It's one since I literally can't comprehend the idea of disliking women.
	I grew up with a single blood ride.
	I grew up with my cousins and guys, that sort of thing.
	I literally don't get it.
	It's just alien to me to dislike women, and that's what got me.
	I was kind of, but no.
	It's a very, it's ballsy to say to someone, you hate women.
	Yeah, I love it.
	How do they know that?
	Yeah.
	They don't know anything about, like you said, they don't know anything about your personal individual situation.
	They don't know that you're raised by a single mother now.
	So how could they in any way feel qualified to make that assertion?
	I don't know.
	And that's the other thing.
	You know, it's the whole, you hate women and minorities.
	Now, I've spoken to a couple of people here, people, no.
	I feel it's crass to discuss minorities in that sense because there are so many in my family on my dad's side and I'm talking to you.
	And it feels crass to discuss them as a talking point, isn't it?
	To generalise in such broad terms, it doesn't do any favours, don't you?
	You know, and that's the thing.
	It's kind of like, well, you hate women.
	Okay.
	You hate women of colour.
	I, okay.
	I didn't realise I hated my sister.
	That's fine.
	I'm glad you're telling me.
	I know, I totally.
	Like Thomas Olfag, I hate everyone, especially Jews.
	I fairly must not get it out of the context.
	Right?
	Oh, well, Nicholas can do what he wants.
	So.
	The point anyway, I don't care.
	What's he gonna do?
	Nothing.
	That's what I'm supposed to do.
	What's he gonna do apart from bash one out of my kid?
	I mean, really.
	Okay, shots fine, Cole.
	That being said, it seems really ridiculous, this whole thing.
	You know, just because I play a game.
	I mean, really.
	You know, I have my kid play game.
	We literally, we got Disney Infinity yesterday.
	Yeah, almost an hour's anger, apparently.
	An inside hour is a thing.
	You don't know you've got a boy, it's fine.
	You don't have to deal with frozen.
	Believe it or not, I've actually got a stepdaughter and I don't have to deal with frozen.
	I accidentally's not bad.
	I was going to start singing, but I'll not do it because everyone's going to stop me if I do.
	They will.
	Yeah.
	I'm okay with that.
	Glasses of the red.
	Thank you.
	But that's the thing.
	You know, I live in a house with women.
	I grew up with a house full of women.
	And for these people to go, oh, you hate women because you disagree with this one.
	It's ridiculous.
	I could disagree with a million and one people.
	I don't hate them.
	You know, three times I disagree with you.
	I don't hate you.
	Are you serious?
	Yeah.
	It's the whole beard conditioning thing.
	I just, honest to God, I can't.
	Okay, well, if you think that I'm saying something that's wrong, then you're wrong.
	I mean, you say that I can't trust a man with the salt and pepper beard.
	Are you kidding me?
	That's proof I'm telling the truth.
	I thought that was proof you were old.
	It's all the same proof that I'm old.
	I'm also old, and that's okay.
	That's why I'm a tree, so people don't see it.
	Because if I grew this out, it would be more salt and pepper.
	But I'm sure I've lost my point now.
	It's terrible.
	So that whole thing, and for a year, they've been saying the same thing.
	At which point you're going to go, okay, what else do you have?
	You know, what else are you going to push?
	Because I'm largely apolitical.
	I don't give a monkey's eye away.
	I grew up on a councillor's death crowd.
	I don't care whether you're right, whether you're left, up, down, whichever direction you want to go.
	No.
	What you worried about is how you're going to pay the rent.
	Exactly.
	You know, how am I going to eat?
	How am I going to pay the rent?
	How am I not going to be on the street?
	That's the important thing.
	You know.
	So it's kind of like, well, okay, left, right, which one is going to not put me on the street.
	Yeah, these are luxuries for people who don't have to worry about when the next meal is coming.
	Precisely.
	And, you know, I kind of look at that and I go to my home and three little brothers and I'm like, right, there's three of us.
	Not one of us has ever seen a single new piece of clothing, me included, despite being the oldest.
	You can think, well, okay, great.
	You've got the time to sit and discuss these political points and these outlooks and the left or the right and libertarian versus authoritarian.
	Fine.
	I have the time to sit and think, where is the money?
	How am I going to live?
	What am I going to do with my day?
	How am I going to feed my child?
	How am I going to feed everyone else in the house?
	I'm going to feed my dog.
	Which is slightly less important because he annoys me.
	But it's.
	But he's a source of food for when the food runs out.
	You say that he's likely to eat me first.
	He eats better than I do, and it fucks me off.
	So, seriously, he's Pedigree Chum.
	I couldn't get Pedigree Chum on best day.
	But as I was saying to Subaz earlier, I look at my daughter and we buy these name-brand things and honestly, I feel jealous sometimes because I never had that.
	And these people that have the time to sit around and have Josh McIntosh script the things and talk about it, you can think, well, why have you got so much time?
	Why have you got so much money?
	Why have you got so much to do so very little?
	Yeah, it's because they never have to worry about what you have to know.
	No.
	And you can think, well, okay, that's fine.
	You take all this $400,000, you and Josh go and have a daily weekend in wherever you want.
	You know, assuming he can get it up.
	And that's fine.
	Assuming it's not toxic masculinity.
	It may well be toxic masculinity.
	It depends where he wants to put it, let's be fair.
	I mean, I'm assuming one way is like no entry, but I don't know she's Armenian.
	She is kind of sex negative, though.
	Well, yeah.
	I suppose it's a matter either way.
	Just say what's.
	I've got to put this on the internet.
	I know.
	There's going to be a lot of editing in this one.
	No, no, no.
	I can learn the whole thing.
	I doubt there will be some lazy.
	Yeah, sorry, and also, what's Josh going to do?
	Tell my mum, I don't care.
	He is going to tell you.
	He might, and that's a terrifying thought.
	But he's got lots of time.
	You know, his dad's got a fucking house on the San Juan Islands.
	Yeah, it's a nice place.
	Yeah.
	You don't get there if you're on food stand.
	No, I mean, you know, that guy's second home for his mum and dad costs more than my house.
	Well, the idea of a second home is a bit alien to me.
	And I'm in the middle class.
	So, you know, my family is very much middle class.
	So anyone below me, I know they don't have second homes.
	Right.
	Because we don't have a fucking second homes.
	This is the thing.
	And you've got these people saying, oh, well, you know, white men are the problem.
	You know, straight white men are the problem.
	I think, well, okay.
	Is that straight white men or is that straight white men of the middle classes and lower?
	And are you busy trying to play Diablo 3 in the San Juan Islands and missing out because you have more money than I've ever seen in my entire life?
	Because their second home costs more than my first.
	And that worries me.
	Because someone who has that kind of money telling me how I should live is a real concern.
	I think the irony is when they tell you that you are privileged.
	Yeah.
	You know, I look at these people, like Jonathan and Anil Sarkeesian and Toprin, and they tell me I'm privileged because my genitals are on the outside.
	Right?
	And I kind of think, okay, that's fine, but you people literally have more money in one month than I see most six months.
	I think if I had to call Brown Woo-Brown Woo.
	Didn't she get given $400,000?
	She starts my game, yeah, to start her game studio.
	Oh, no, that was $200,000.
	Oh, $200,000.
	Yeah, to start an animation studio.
	I cannot imagine being given $200,000 or like £125,000.
	I can't imagine.
	Imagine.
	It's literally almost as much as my house.
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's beyond me.
	And I just pissed it away on my side.
	I just made an animation studio.
	I'm going to make some terrible reboot-style animations, like awful game to people that don't play games.
	It's a whole different world.
	That's the point.
	These people are in a whole different world, and they're not really in any way connected to, say, the people on the ground.
	No.
	I honestly wish they were, because if any of these people had to live two weeks as we do, I think they would probably commit suicide there and then.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I don't mean anything in the world.
	But that's the thing.
	My kid, who's five, she's seen Reboot, said to me, But Dad, why is this woman making reboot?
	What's rebooting most of it?
	Oh, it's from the 90s.
	It's a TV show.
	I don't think I've seen it.
	Oh, look, you need to watch it.
	So basically, it's terrible.
	It's basically Revolution 60 with half an hour.
	Oh, my God.
	Rather than the 10 minutes it takes to finish it.
	And she was like, but why is it Rebo?
	And I said, well, it's not Rebo.
	There's a woman that spent more money than our house costs to make these terrible animations.
	And then we played Disney.
	That's what you do.
	And yes, I can sing all the words to let you go, but I'm not going to.
	You're welcome, everyone.
	I appreciate it.
	Yes, I know.
	But yeah, it's just a weird alien concept of who you are.
	It's strange how they are the people who are joining you.
	I mean, I don't want to say class warfare, but it does kind of seem.
	I'm coming from someone whose parents worked very hard to achieve middle-class status.
	My dad grew up in Yeovil, Council State Yoville, and my mum grew up in a council state in Golden Bassett.
	And so when my dad eventually reached the middle class, he was very pleased with himself.
	He gave us a middle-class upbringing, which is why I have such a funny accent.
	What is that?
	But the thing is, most of my family doesn't have that.
	And so I know exactly what you're talking about.
	That's the thing.
	I currently am working to what your parents did for you.
	I'm working to make sure that my daughter doesn't have to deal with what I had to deal with.
	Because we had school where we didn't have uniforms.
	And then you've got someone who's got a second house on the San Juan Islands, someone who has given $200,000 to start their games videos.
	You are a fucking privilege, man.
	I know.
	I relish the day that my outside genitals will get me so much money.
	Don't forget that you're very white in a white country.
	That's unusual.
	And that gives you some sort of privilege as well.
	I know.
	And I curse the day that the melanin left my skin.
	I remember the decision before I was born.
	It was a bad one in Red Girl.
	It was a terrible one.
	I didn't only bet, but I thought, you know what, I have no melanin whatsoever.
	I'll look like Casper the Friendly Ghost.
	And I'll also have a penis.
	Terrible.
	Because that's how things work.
	I would have thought this through.
	I should, I really should, but I didn't.
	Thanks a lot for coming here too.
	I really appreciate it.
	So, what's your Twitter handle?
	Honestly, I barely use my Twitter handle.
	I can tell it.
	But it's G-Miseria and it's spelled as G-M-I-Z-E-R-I-G-N.
	Okay.
	And why are you involved in games?
	I've been on the channel since 2011, I would say.
	Since I started going to uni.
	Do you want to tell people what the channels are?
	Because there may well be some normies who don't know that.
	Maybe.
	Maybe.
	Believe me, you don't have to.
	Excuse me, it's the hacker notice 4chan of the room.
	I have a hacker notice 4chan.
	It was me.
	I pretended to be Jay.
	Yeah, the chance is just a collection of words with very various topics.
	Video games, tabletop games, porn, random, stuff like that.
	Don't be ashamed of porn.
	One of the things that pisses me off is goddamn moral just puritans.
	They're like, oh my god, this is Paul the same people, but I love Paul.
	What are you talking about?
	What's wrong with Paul?
	No, but I wish.
	What did you say?
	I was sure that was your dick.
	It was my ass.
	But sorry, I already asked.
	So yeah, everyone's anonymous, HM now has IDs so you can tell when someone's posting.
	4chan doesn't have really IDs, so everyone is definitely anonymous unless you do the work and actually look at it.
	Find their IDs, yeah.
	I'll check over.
	Yeah.
	We'll get to you, Brony.
	So tell me about your involvement in game games.
	How exactly you find yourself in a room full of social neckbits?
	Basically, I've been all these four years I've been on the TG port, which is traditional pen and paper games, stuff like Dungeons ⁇ Dragons.
	And I had a friend who was always on V.
	And he actually told me about this happening.
	I decided to check it out and I gradually discovered, like, I just saw the Zoe post.
	I'll be honest, I didn't read it.
	I just saw it.
	It is long.
	I just looked through it and I'm like, that's a bit shitty of him to air all the dirty laundry.
	Like, I don't know how I feel about it, but then I noticed all the mass censorship happening and stuff like that.
	And I'm like, okay, tell people about the censorship.
	That is one of the things that got a lot of people interested.
	Yeah, basically a lot of really famous and well-known and big game websites started centering all this discussion pertaining to Zoe Quinn and her supposed relationship with Nathan Grayson and other people, like journalists she had personal connections with.
	I think the important thing to mention is that there was definitely impropriety going on between Zoe Quinn, a developer, and Nathan Grayson, a catalogued journalist.
	And I think there were some other journalists from other websites as well.
	I can't remember off the top of my head, I'm really drunk.
	But the point is, people weren't allowed to talk about it.
	And didn't Token Biscuit have a Reddit thread with something like 35,000 comments?
	Wasn't it sequeled or deleted?
	Yeah, there's next deletion.
	Total Biscuit is a very big name in the gaming industry if you don't know anything about the gaming industry.
	Whether you like it or not.
	Yeah, whether you like him or not, which I happen to very much like him.
	He's honestly the subject of my fancies.
	But the point is, it's not what I fantasize about.
	I'm thinking of Total Biscuit.
	The point is, all of the censorship.
	It's too late total biscuit.
	I know.
	It's out there now.
	But yeah, so.
	Yeah, basically, and all the censorship started happening.
	And I'll be honest, I really don't go to gaming websites to read for reviews.
	I've been using YouTube for years now.
	Total Biscuit, yeah, I've been basically watching like WTF is.
	Like, yeah, that's who I used to see whether I should play the game or not.
	And whether it looks interesting.
	Yeah, like, when I was a teenager, I used to read the gaming magazine called PC Gamer.
	I used to love PC Gamer.
	It was okay, yeah.
	They've gone full anti-gamer games.
	Really?
	Oh, it's tragic.
	It broke my heart.
	When some 20-year-old kid tells you, like, oh, I'm very much against Gamergate because I'm, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah.
	And I'm like, for fuck's sake, I remember when PC Game, when I was like 15, and this was the gamer's mag, you know what I mean?
	Yeah, like it ran in Lithuania.
	They had their own collection of editors and stuff and writers.
	And I really enjoyed it when I was buying it.
	When they actually cared about their contributions.
	Yeah.
	Even answered letters and stuff.
	Really well.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, and then I just found that GitHub, Gamergate Happenings, that's the website I use almost daily to check what happens.
	Because for the past couple of months, I haven't been too up to date.
	Like, I don't go to A Chance, Gamergate HQ.
	I'm also hanging out on Cal now because I'm a horrible person.
	Yeah, so I just go there to check what happened, who posit what.
	I think you're meant to be pimping Kataka night.
	Just say that.
	I don't know you are really.
	But yeah, so I mean, how have you been treated by opponents of gamer games?
	Well, not necessarily opponents of gaming.
	I had there was one incident on Facebook with, and I started posting some stuff you would consider anti-SGW.
	There was that one comic, one page.
	I don't know if you've seen it, basically saying, basically, a girl walking out of the house and some saying, oh, you look beautiful today.
	And the girl goes, stop cat calling me you shit lord.
	I haven't seen that.
	Really?
	And I posted that comment just to make fun of it.
	And I received this slot of a paragraph from one of my classmates who was in my Facebook friends list saying how horrible I am and how tired she is of my misogynistic and sexist codes.
	After she posted the comment, she immediately deleted me.
	I tried to contact her and tried to have a conversation saying like I'm not.
	I'm just making fun.
	She's like, no, you don't understand.
	I'm like, okay, I'm going to ignore that.
	And you considered being less internally misogynistic.
	It's not working, man.
	No, it's not working, is it?
	I've tried.
	Misogyny just keeps happening.
	Since you hate all women everywhere, just for being, is there anything you'd like to say to people who think that maybe you should leave the game industry?
	Has anyone ever tried to drive you out of gaming?
	No, I didn't.
	Jay, take this.
	Go home, gamer.
	No, patriarchy.
	I did have some SJW incident.
	Remember when the Ferguson shootings happened?
	I do.
	Basically, my university, I'm from Sheffield University.
	Someone decided to arrange a protest for some reason in the UK for something that happened in America.
	That's a bizarre thing to do.
	Yeah, you're like, we're going to support the protesters at Ferguson.
	Solidarity.
	Yeah, like there's 20 people or so.
	I don't even know if it does.
	That's a lot for a social justice warrior.
	Yeah, and I saw a friend of mine who is kind of radical feminist, and I saw her going to the event, and you get a notification, like, she's going to an event.
	And that's a comment because I've seen some evidence from the auditsy reports that it was kind of his fault.
	Like, it's kind of still sketchy.
	It's not cut and dried.
	Yeah, and I'm like, well, I'm not sure how fully innocent he was.
	And I got just, and apparently, this got posted in the event page.
	And I just got bombarded with people for going to the event saying me that I have no right to talk about this.
	I especially liked one.
	You have no rights at all.
	Very progressive view.
	There was one comment I really enjoyed from a black guy saying that I'm not a minority, so I do not have the right to talk about it.
	The funny thing is, I am a minority in my own country.
	I'm from Lithuania, but I'm Russian culturally, you could say.
	Like, I was born and raised in Lithuania, but my family is Russian-speaking.
	And I'm like, what, less than like 1% of the country?
	Oh, man, those stereotypical Russian accents are awesome.
	They're hilarious.
	They're hilarious.
	Does it also make the reason why Russia also invaded Lithuania?
	Oh, my God.
	Yes.
	It's called a pretext, and you'll be okay to accept your new Russian overlord.
	Lithuanian government is actually taking this seriously.
	They're like, she's going to invade us.
	They actually had mandatory drafting to the army.
	Fucking hell.
	Yeah.
	Okay, that's kind of getting off the slot thing.
	Yeah, sorry.
	Yeah, but I just.
	Jesus Christ.
	But I was just told that I'm not a minority and I have no right to talk about on this topic.
	Well, I hope you've learned your lesson.
	And thank you very much.
	Thank you.
	Round of applause.
	Done.
	He was like, no, Tim Schaefer was making fun of SDG.
	I'm like, no.
	Why did you do this?
	Tim Schaefer just seems like a personification of the patriarch.
	A fat, rich, old white man mocking women in minorities.
	Exactly.
	What are you fucking doing, Tim?
	What are you doing?
	You know?
	And he tried to joke.
	And it looked like you fucked it up with You fucked it up with No, I watched that, right?
	And people are like, yeah, so I'm going to check it out.
	God, it's a good thing you've got a pleasant radio show, because you've sold an podcast.
	That wasn't checked in.
	That was just fucking retarded.
	Yeah, it was fucking stupid.
	It just wasn't funny.
	It wasn't funny.
	That was just after a good talk, and the best fight was the type of thing that we said.
	Holy shit.
	Yeah, and Brett was like, this joke is so bad.
	If it's aimed at Gigi, it must be aimed at LG GG.
	Exactly.
	He is a walking parody.
	But Brett, okay, I'll be your old man.
	He's starting a crowdfunding website.
	Fucking hell, who's giving him money?
	I know.
	Yeah, quality help.
	Sorry, Hannah.
	What's your Twitter account?
	Twitter is at Binary Explosion.
	Well, the name of it is Bainary Explosion as of three months ago when I decided to squeeze it up a bit.
	Why is it Bainary Explosion?
	They were all I love.
	Now I have a Superimpositor Bane mask over these books.
	Why not?
	Let's make it a little bit more.
	He's a pretty big guy.
	Exactly.
	Talking about that explosion.
	Tell me about Gamergate from your perspective.
	From my perspective, will I?
	You're almost the model.
	You've got half of the map.
	I've been shaving the mechanism.
	It's a chin beard, and I shave up just to avoid the.
	This is not like a Gamergate in his natural habitat.
	Yeah, it's slightly Samson-esque.
	It's like you have to remove the misogyny a bit at a time.
	And if you let it grow out completely, then all your powers come.
	And you get all of your white male privileges.
	I can confirm this.
	So yeah, so I started out completely neutral.
	I was hearing about Gamergate.
	The hashtag, but I didn't hear anything at all about what it actually meant, what was happening.
	There was no coverage.
	It was quite early on.
	I don't know exactly where it was in the Times Colbert.
	The only thing I do know is it was just pre-Randy's block-up.
	It was around that time.
	So it was quite early on.
	And the reason I know that is because basically I created a new Twitter profile.
	I didn't really do Twitter.
	But it seemed that was the only way I was going to find out anything about it.
	There was no coverage that didn't sort of set the.
	This is bullshit in the whole screen at all.
	So I couldn't find out anything.
	So I started following.
	I was probably watching your videos at the time.
	I started following the major players basically on both sides.
	So I followed Samuel's frequency, I followed Brianna Blue.
	I followed a bunch of people.
	One of the worst things for me about Dropbox is simply because I couldn't follow the people I disagree with.
	I had people ask me, why do you follow Francophone?
	Because I want to follow the stupid shit.
	Yeah, and I didn't know at the time.
	I want to know what's happening.
	I didn't know at the time whether I was going to disagree with them.
	So my first interactions were actually more along with the feminist side.
	And I had a lot of actually quite civil.
	I had a few quite civil discussions with Brianna Wood early on and didn't have any problems with her actually.
	She's not a journalist, why didn't you tell me?
	Yeah, it was okay.
	It was generally okay.
	And quite well, to be civil, as long as you didn't go between the topics you didn't like to discuss, then it was very much shouted down.
	But I found very.
	Very, very shortly after creating the account that I was on the same block list that the business was ended up on.
	It was published by IGDA as the worst pervasus of women.
	So are we talking guilt by association?
	It was Guildby Association.
	It was because in my effort to become informed, I had followed Brianna with MS Frequency, Miro, C.R. Summers.
	Whose names you'd heard.
	So I wanted to inform myself.
	I went to the people that were being put out as these are like the root cause of the discussion.
	And as a result of that, half of the discussion blocked me.
	And I wanted to know mostly why I was on this list of harasses of women.
	So I went to Bandy and asked her, What's up?
	Could I be removed from this?
	Because it doesn't make any sense.
	And she basically wasn't even heard.
	Some of her followers jumped in and said, oh, it's because you're a terrible, terrible person and shouting me down.
	And so you don't even have to.
	You know, the fact that you're asking to be removed from it justifies your inclusion on this list.
	Wow!
	This is pretty amazing.
	You can, if you like, go back and read my timeline because there are 14 tweets on it.
	It won't take you very long.
	One of them is retweeting Brianna.
	One of them is actually retweeted by Brianna.
	And it's like, so seriously, I don't think I'm harassing anybody at this point.
	I've never used the Gamergate hashtag.
	I was as harassing as Kentucky Fire Chicken, possibly.
	Just if anyone's wondering, Kentucky Fried Chicken found themselves on the blog post.
	Yeah.
	Because they follow back.
	Which is a crime, crime thoughts.
	So basically, I was just thinking, well, why am I, you know, why am I getting shouted down by people trying to sort of block out the half of discussion I was interested in?
	And around the same time, I started asking questions of gaming discussions as well, see what their side of it was.
	And I asked some pretty dumb questions, like, why don't you abandon the tag and go for something less tainted?
	And it was calmly explained to me why this wouldn't work, why it had been tried.
	And they've heard this million times before.
	I became aware quickly afterwards this was not a new question somebody was asking them.
	They were all tired of answering it, but it was calm, it was composed, nobody blocked me.
	And it was a civil debate.
	They actually engaged your, I don't even know how to describe it, ideological.
	I was just asking it, hey, is this the way it goes?
	And they'll explain to me, yes, it is, and this is why.
	And once you hear that from one side, the other side is, no, you're a terrible person.
	I don't have to entertain this discussion.
	You're just like, well, I know who I feel most in tune with here.
	And I didn't see any hate, actually, for the longest time coming from anybody who I was actually choosing to engage with Eviott.
	Yeah, I mean.
	Okay, just quickly, I've been gaming out since the start, and I've not really seen any of the hate.
	I mean, I've seen like the feminist frequency saying, this egg account sent me harassment.
	Okay, that egg account does send her harassment.
	But who does that represent?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Of course that happens.
	But who does that represent?
	It's probably some kid in his basement, like they say.
	And it's nothing to do with the actual people who are appearing right now with their faces and giving their actual stories and actually trying to get something goddamn well done.
	Game of Game was very simple, essentially, and logical and rational and nice to be part of, so, yeah, it was, and I never felt like it was something that I sort of, I just kind of fell in with the crowd and agreed with a lot of what was said and stuff.
	But it never felt like it was pressured to be part or not part or anything.
	It was just, yeah, you know, you agreed with stuff, so you're going to retweet it.
	Well, yeah.
	It's just.
	Yeah, exactly.
	If someone agrees with your point of view and you agree with their point of view and they say something you agree with, why wouldn't you retweet it?
	Okay, great.
	Well, thanks for coming on.
	Thanks for giving them your perspective.
	Is there anything else?
	No, no, that's pretty awesome.
	Thank you very much.
	Cheers, mate.
	Go on.
	Fitness will make one slightly drunk person.
	If all the people... ...the cost of money...
	Tim Schaefer is creating his own crowdfunding platform.
	That's what he's normal trusting.
	Because, yeah, here, Tim, take my money.
	You said you have such a good record.
	Exactly, yeah, yeah.
	Right.
	What's your Twitter account?
	Spaghetti badger.
	Spaghetti badger.
	Yes.
	Yes.
	Don't down.
	That's the bottle of Trump life.
	I know it is.
	He supports gaming here.
	I have it confirmed, go to the press.
	But doesn't people hate gaming?
	It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.
	If you go to Donald Trump saying, look, right, we hate the progressive media, they hate you, support us, Trump.
	And he'd be like, yes, I'm your man.
	We'll vote for him.
	Well, you can't vote for him.
	We're British.
	Yeah, but he doesn't.
	True.
	Jesus Christ, you're acting like he's saying.
	I think the hare does have most of his brain power.
	I think that it's probably the source of his power.
	It's just Gemmery.
	Well, you know, look at all this.
	This is the source of his fascination.
	This is the hare.
	So, why are you in gaming?
	Well, there's one reason.
	Miles Famous was my current.
	I was a microphone.
	Yeah, obviously.
	I love micros.
	Yeah, he's hair.
	survivor of the Atheism and Pleasant Articles.
	Oh, that's, now, right.
	Now you're going to that point.
	Please tell everyone about it.
	So you may have heard of a hypersensitive woman called Rebecca Watson who got really, really drunk at an atheist conference and then was asked for coffee.
	And that was literally it.
	And that's going by her recantation of it.
	At which point she cried rape and misogyny and really stupid shit.
	And this caused a schism eventually with the atheist and skeptic movements where listen and believe was drummed in because listen and believe in a skeptic movement is stupid.
	Yeah, I think we better tell people what listen and believe is.
	So listen and believe is basically believe the person making a claim, especially if it's a woman and especially if they're somewhere else who's progressive.
	The most important thing you're doing is listen and believe a woman when she tells her experiences.
	Yeah, that is literally a neat southeastern quote where they want sceptics to abandon scepticism, which is a bold move and I don't think it's a problem.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I am impressed that they have the balls to say it, but no, I don't think many sceptics actually abandon skepticism, do they?
	No, so the skeptics kind of went their own merry way and the atheists and cosmos, or they fall in on themselves in increasingly stylist purity trials.
	Wow.
	You can go to free thought blogs and find out free thought blogs is very much like rational wiki.
	If you go long.
	Go there and just discover from yourself just the Orwellian nature of these things.
	It's like saying the Ministry of Truth is in favour of the idea of truth.
	It's just ridiculous.
	It's art backwards, Orwellian bullshit.
	And I have that same problem with Social Justice.
	It's such a horrible Orwellian term.
	Yes.
	Which hides a lot of crap.
	And then this random trial.
	I think he's British because I know he got screwed over David's privacy laws.
	Created the blockbot, the original one, the predecessor.
	Now, you've probably, by this time of the video, already spoken about Randy Harper's BlockBot, but this is a separate, entirely different BlockBot that was specifically for people in the Atheans community.
	Yeah, so, and these are people who were...
	While I was fucking kissed, actually.
	You can come on the camera in a minute.
	Come on, are you going to cut me up?
	You don't have to.
	I'm showing it.
	I'll show my parents to be good.
	You can just come on in a minute.
	If you want, you've been allowed your entire life.
	Well, you sit there and I'll be one.
	I'm internet famous.
	Sorry, I'll be.
	I know.
	Sorry, I'm harassed.
	Which basically the block block was created to maintain the list of worst harassers, basically into skeptics who were still skeptics.
	And it had ridiculous libel on there about Richard Dawkins.
	I think Christina Oxama's on there.
	She is.
	I'm on their both, well, my altered account's on there and my current one.
	Both at level two for doing nothing.
	For wrongthink.
	Just existing.
	I haven't even admitted to wrongthink yet.
	You haven't even transgressed their beliefs.
	No, no, no.
	I just kind of just got chugged on there.
	And I like the way it's about beliefs, isn't it?
	So the atheist movement, people within it have the wrong belief and therefore they're, you know, they're on the wrong block up.
	They're on the wrong.
	Yeah.
	And anyway, I. My job is my job is doing data analysis.
	And Ferris Frequency released their one week of awful harassment, which was 157 tweets or something like that.
	Something like that.
	And I crunched the numbers and they were ridiculous rates of harassment.
	And then I'd heard of Gamergate as these evil shitlers.
	And I looked at the numbers for that.
	And the odds of getting harassed by Gamergate were like being hit by lightning whilst having a heart attack whilst running a marathon.
	They were ridiculously long.
	It was so long that it was just like, well.
	Wasn't it according to Women Action and Media?
	So like 0.66% of Gamergate of Gamergate accounts were even reported.
	It wasn't even confirmed.
	Yeah, assuming they were all guilty that were reported to be harassing accounts, it was less than 1% of Gamergate accounts were even alleged to be involved in harassment, wasn't it?
	And yeah, and the WAM criteria for harassment was ridiculous.
	Yeah, so the point being, these were feminists who were looking for people on the internet who were harassers.
	So if they.
	They're the people who are most likely to report it, even if it's not really harassment.
	Yeah.
	Sorry.
	And so I mentioned this on Twitter, at which point I got SJW.
	You were convicted of wrongthink.
	Yeah, that was when I did commit wrongthink.
	And I sort of mentioned these numbers, and I also mentioned them stupidly on Facebook.
	Why did you do that?
	Because someone was going on about them, and I said these numbers don't pan out.
	And so I got dogpiled and I was like, well, hang on, if those are the people who were supposedly the righteous people in Gamergate, against Gamergate, and then I realised one of the people who dogpiled me was the great Rebecca Watson.
	At which point I went, okay, I'm going to look at Gamergate now because if you're against it, it probably isn't what you're saying it is.
	You have a history of being a liar.
	Yeah, I was going to say misrepresenting, but lying is also accurate.
	Is there anything else you'd like to tell people about Gamergate?
	It's messy and noisy and fantastic.
	It's a hashtag.
	Yeah, it is.
	That's what it was.
	I think it's gone beyond a hashtag at this point.
	It's a sub-sub-group, Cal.
	So you've got the gaming culture, and you've got the Gamergaters within the Gamergate.
	Yeah, it is a sub-culture.
	It's accurate.
	But the thing is, I think that everyone is having a really good time right now.
	Oh, yeah, I mean, part of the subculture.
	Yeah, I mean, there are times where it's hard work.
	I've come home and pissed off with some ridiculous quarters we said on Twitter.
	Like the last time you were supposedly connected to a gun killing or something.
	Yeah, well, but literally today.
	I know, I have that.
	Oh my god, completely.
	Yes.
	But no, it's it's definitely airs of culture and it's fun and we don't get that so seriously and pineapples on piece of the bar.
	You heard it here first.
	Thanks a lot for coming up, Jim.
	I really appreciate it.
	Can I get a round of applause?
	Hey!
	So, um, this is a fellow who is what is known as a showing.
	These are people who like my little pony.
	What's your partner?
	I'm just having a dog taxi.
	Ah.
	Close for me.
	Ok.
	Lightning's kind of.
	There we go.
	And he's not ashamed.
	No.
	Well, I work as Chief of Security at Running Convention here in the UK, so.
	In your face.
	I do have to do with our souls at the early song.
	Mr. Mendel.
	So, why do you spot him?
	I'm just here for the pussy.
	How could you be here for the pussy if we're not even working?
	Almost women everywhere.
	I don't know if I ever looked.
	I know that at this point people would have seen several women in the interviews, but ignore them.
	No, we don't do it.
	You can make members.
	No, that's a good time.
	But I've been part of online communities before.
	And the whole thing that got me into Game Agate was I've just finished a convention scene in around September.
	And I was seeing these articles popping up, you know, some of the games and dead ones.
	And I thought that was kind of a shit.
	That's a weird thing for the press to do.
	Yeah, I was like, there's a lot of these articles.
	Why are they?
	Oh, why are 12 outlets?
	So, I mean, obviously I was in university and I followed The Guardian and that.
	You know, I followed the Young Turks.
	Oh, I'm a horrific left-wing actor.
	I'm trans-rat.
	I'm trans-rat.
	But no, um, and I was following all these outlets.
	I realised, okay, there's clearly something going on here.
	But then it kind of died down.
	Then in October, I saw an interview.
	I can't remember the sign, but the hards, people on from both sides, just saying a few things.
	Oh, it was a hard time.
	Might have been, yeah.
	But I just saw these interviews, and like, the people that were pro-gaming, I seem fairly reasonable.
	I disagree at some point, I agree at some point.
	Then the people that were looking like they were rabbits.
	They were like, these people are fucking animals.
	They're calling for blood.
	So those people agree with Anita Sarkeesian.
	Now, when I was in uni, you go back four years, I remember the kickstart of Trotsvos' Women.
	We're like, yeah, no, she's definitely mental.
	I'm not having any mouth.
	If they agree with her, and these people aren't weird, these people seem reasonable.
	I'm with her.
	And then I posted on Twitter, I was like, so these gamer games guys seem alright.
	Immediately, someone comes up and says, no, disassociate from that hashtag the evil and terrible.
	I was like, a guy called the anime a taku or something like that.
	I was like, telling me, no, you need to disassociate.
	How dare you associate with the wrong people?
	That's bad.
	So I'd say.
	That's what you think.
	Clearly I'm on the right track.
	So, yeah, I stuck with it.
	I carried posted the hashtag and I'm watching your videos.
	We were now awesome.
	Having a good time.
	Move from slash MLP on Port Show to GGHQ.
	Can you tell if I'm not a slash MLP?
	No fucking change.
	No, listen, you accept these people as they are.
	No, I mean, the thing is.
	French is fucking mad.
	That's the whole thing, though.
	I've seen folks start on, you know, people, but smallest bloody shit.
	I mean, I'm from an area where folks do anything.
	It seems like such a petty thing.
	And then folks saying that, no, we ain't women for this.
	My favourite show is about six female characters living in a matriarchal diarchy.
	You don't get much more feminists than that.
	It's a diarchy.
	Two rulers.
	Okay.
	Like a money?
	I probably knew that when I wasn't drunk on it.
	I am.
	That's my excuse, I'm sticking with it.
	So it's about major archiefilla.
	Yeah, so I mean.
	Oh, I'll hello!
	Of course!
	Revenge!
	Applejack returns.
	That was for Milo, because I saw the stream, and you know, Milo said he liked Applejacks.
	It was that Alam, well played.
	It was that or my pony fleshlight.
	I do think there's shit.
	No, no, not that that is one, it's the fucking chances.
	So yeah, so you found these people remarkably unreasonable and trustworthy.
	Well yeah, it's like you find people that call in for blood.
	And it's like these people would never have to work that hard to end the lives.
	I mean, I will sweat tears to get enough money, put a ball aside so I can buy myself the next one tomorrow in March.
	And I was like, I had to work fuck it hard for that.
	These people, they're going to fall, you know, what was it, 20 grand to start a fucking video game for them?
	200 grand?
	It was $2, so it was worth looking for money.
	There's no money, really.
	£125,000 for my wife.
	I would kill them.
	It's like seeing these people just saying, oh, yeah, this is our major.
	No, I wouldn't kill anyone specifically.
	Only if paid enough.
	I am so excited.
	I mean, you see all these different people coming together.
	I mean, you see all these other people just hanging out.
	I think I'm a good time.
	But it's like, you don't see that when you're angry.
	You see the hatred for nothing.
	I mean, this is more about just enjoying people.
	It's home policing.
	This is more about enjoying what we all enjoy, what drugs are all together.
	The only thing that they see we have that binds them is their hatred of us.
	No, that's an interesting point.
	We're a shit people say.
	I mean, most of us, you know, we're not doing that.
	We don't have to worry about us supplanting you in the upper middle class.
	You know.
	We've got one way to go to climb to get to that level.
	But the worst part about it is most of them are actually really nice people.
	I'm sure they are.
	No, I'm not you see, but most of them over there.
	Well, there's some Scots here, so.
	Yeah, okay, not that section.
	Not really that section either.
	He writes a bright.
	She's alright.
	Okay, hold on.
	Yes, we.
	She's got colour tails.
	So, yeah, I mean, I'd like to talk about organizing things, because I used to organize the Leeds B. on some runners.
	We're talking about 100% of people.
	It's more good to just have a nice...
	100% of people!
	It's not weird.
	It's a pretty epic piss-up somewhere, but it's a popular fandom as well.
	Oh, yeah, yeah.
	A ponies are popular.
	I mean, we have 1,500 people attend the convention annually.
	150 people come to the middle.
	That's a good question.
	Apart from me taking the pictures, do people ever try and drive you out because of your pony family?
	No, I mean I'm a doorman.
	I deal with people trying to drive me out because I see wear fucking pony dog tags to work.
	I was like, you know what?
	Do you give a fuck?
	No.
	I can throw them out the fucking window.
	He is actually quite large.
	I don't know whether it does cost on camera.
	But he's actually a very large fellow.
	I love my job.
	I love the people I'm with.
	I'm a very big guy for you.
	Alright, babe, come there.
	I mean, I love the fuck I deal with.
	I've got some bleak because it wasn't fucking out of control.
	But there's no point.
	Normal point being antagonistic about it because I like to think that a lot of people in gaming are generally accepting other viewers.
	I think important things.
	Well, I mean, it's funny.
	I mean, I didn't have a root mistake.
	I mean, I'd be honest before I could say, right?
	Look, I'm not a rumor statement.
	Two lads just took me in, still, but not to ask them.
	Even with you being a penny.
	Turns out they were potatoes, too.
	Oh, my God!
	Okay.
	Sounds too obvious.
	Yeah, they look the same.
	Fuck you.
	Oh no, yeah, you got it.
	Yeah, we've had a good time.
	Let out on the lash.
	Come back today.
	Had another day on the lash.
	It's too funny, it's best for Dar South.
	I do not understand how you can afford it, Danny.
	That's because we're rich.
	Yeah, often middle class.
	Not all of them are middle class.
	Well, the important people.
	Yeah, but as long as we've got, we need to keep on.
	Thanks a lot.
	Yeah, it's been a pleasure meeting you as well.
	And too, I think so.
	Again, for the penny games.
	I'm just teaching you.
	Yeah, yeah, exactly.
	I have absolutely no animus against anyone for enjoying anything I enjoy.
	As long as any other people, you know what I mean?
	You guys aren't fucking anything.
	So, you know, I long to fucking leave this.
	You guys are.
	No, I'm trying to.
	It's me, April next year, so that's fine.
	It's worth hanging out.
	I'm not coming to the conference.
	No, I mean, we're going to have a big thing.
	So if you see anything, people dropping that spaghetti, don't worry about it.
	I will look after that.
	I was going to say, just for your obviously audience, anyone who wants to come to the Gamergate meal, I'm going to organise Morphalina in the last couple of weeks of December.
	And we're going to do German Christmas Market.
	I've got a bar.
	Sorry, yes.
	Bar.
	What more do you need?
	Oh, come on.
	Thank you.
	I've got one more.
	Alright, take care.
	Applause, please!
	No idea.
	Oh, there you go.
	Hi, Sargon.
	We've played with the camera.
	Yeah, hi.
	I'm not touching it.
	I am.
	I did that show, and I'm going to follow Venus on it.
	Awesome.
	But it's smart, she's witty, she's got this kind of incentive that Truce Howard.
	She is.
	Triss is a red.
	No, no, fuck off.
	Redheads are overrated.
	You're very best.
	So, what's your hand on?
	What's your Twitter address?
	My Twitter handle is Therean.
	That's Leanne with an IE.
	And my name is Helena, amazingly.
	Don't you normally go by the name Seth Ford Screener?
	Yeah, I do.
	I do go by that name.
	Yes, and I do have a shitlaw t-shirt.
	You know, it's totally a typo.
	I absolutely did not mean to get a shitload t-shirt.
	It was, I just typed the letters wrong and, you know, everyone assumes I'm some kind of misogynist depressing.
	Would you please stop oppressing me?
	I'm trying to be honest.
	It's so ingrained in me.
	The misogyny is so internalised that my very DNA has patriarchy written in it.
	So why did you find yourself at home?
	Oh god, well, I mean, I think like most people in Gaming Gate, I followed along with all the Zoe Quinn stuff and I thought, oh, well, this is mainly a load of hot air.
	It's not much new.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I was just kind of interested in seeing if anything came out of these supposed ethical violations.
	I didn't think there was a whole lot there.
	But then, gamers event happened.
	That was the turning point for me.
	I think, like, a lot of people, I was not in great terms with the press as part of their audience.
	For years, Me and some other people at Game Gate now had been, you know, kind of resisting a lot of the social justice side of things on Twitter.
	And every time there was a big thing like, oh, there's no female character in this game, you know, there would be a whole controversy.
	I remember getting involved in like, you know, debates and people would just call you and label you white, cish hair, white male.
	And, you know, especially when it comes to white men.
	You can see on the camera, but it's quite masculine, quite masculine.
	Oh, firstly, I'm a bit jealous of that fear.
	It's difficult.
	It's really difficult.
	It's something the white male is.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	It's not as easy as everyone is.
	You can imagine.
	In fact, everyone calls you names.
	Yeah, pretty much.
	If you're just expected to take it, you know.
	Well, I don't know.
	The whole privilege thing, I think, is a separate subject.
	You can deconstruct that as well.
	There's a lot in there that needs to be talked about, I think.
	But I think on a more fundamental level, there is a lot of dehumanisation of people, which is something that social justice advocates should really understand because it's something that they talk about in theory.
	That's interesting.
	That's what they do.
	That is what they do to their apprentice.
	If you disagree, your qualities as a human are eroded, taken away.
	What makes you you is white.
	What I find very interesting is it's deindividualisation.
	Yes.
	You know, it's not that you are Sabrina, it's that you are a white cis male.
	As in, you're part of a group.
	You know, you're white, you're a part of a group, a cis, you're a fucker group, a male, you're part of the gamers as well.
	That's awesome.
	So it ties in very much to this idea that the gamer is a term for cis white men, only used by them, which I mean is really a raising history.
	I mean, you've experienced many other women tonight, and all of them have had the same experiences of an inclusive gaming community where women are always, you know, treated men like them.
	No, I mean, honestly, when I was a kid growing up, the guys that were, you know, nicest to join to were the sort of guys playing video games.
	I mean, we had a lot in common.
	We could talk, and I, you know, they're my friends.
	And when the gamers are dead asked for females, that was an attack on people I know, a community I know, and it was absolutely misrepresented.
	And you asked for this.
	You asked for this.
	That's all I can say to the gaming press.
	You started it.
	That's the point.
	You started this.
	It was way before Gaming Gate.
	It's been going on for years.
	The End of Game is a meme that's been a long time in the making.
	The Edge magazine, for example, you know, it's over in edge, well over an edge game.
	Exactly.
	They have had the stereotype of gamers in their mind.
	And gamers are straight white men and they...
	It's weird how they're like, oh yeah, the gamers are over and It's like, what do you mean games are over?
	It's like, well, gamers aren't all straight white men.
	No one else said that gamers are straight white men.
	But again, it's this kind of contradiction.
	You know, there's a lot of people saying, oh, look, look, all these women are the majority gamers.
	Like that recent study.
	And at the same time, they're saying we're saying it's an exclusive boys club, which is basically exactly.
	No matter what the facts are, they are distorted.
	It's a gender, and I think that is a real problem.
	I mean, the ethics side of Gamergate is incredibly important, but you've got to understand the social justice ideology that lies behind it, which justifies it.
	I think we should advocate for ethics, but we should also understand what lies underneath that.
	I agree.
	And I think it's worrying that for a lot of these people, the ends justify the media.
	They are not bothered if they are unscrupulous.
	They're not bothered if they're unethical.
	In fact, these things are perfectly normal as long as you're pushing the right ideology.
	Yeah, if they really cared, they would listen to what all minorities said, not just the ones that agreed with them.
	And they are not doing that.
	So, how can you be convinced of their authenticity when they absolutely refuse to listen to people who disagree with them?
	They just don't have their best interests in heart.
	I agree.
	Why should we be looking to them for lessons, really?
	I don't think anyone can put a better than that.
	I think that is a nail on the head.
	No one's drunk.
	That is actually what I planned all along.
	Everyone on camera would be drunk.
	We're having a great time.
	Yeah, well, everyone's having a great time on camera.
	I'm taking advantage of you in a minute.
	Someone get the loop.
	Or not.
	People watching this are going to be like, oh, those drunk twice.
	Well, I think they just get to the point.
	Why didn't they edit half of this shit out?
	And the answer is because I'm lazy.
	Perfectly valid reason.
	It is a good reason.
	Hey, it works for journalists.
	Why can't it work for you?
	Exactly.
	Wait, now I'm as bad as that.
	So, what's so you've not faced any bigotry from within GamingGate?
	No, absolutely not.
	I mean, you know, when you look at the reports in the press, the media, you know they're 10,000 miles away from the reality of the situation.
	And of course, that makes you inclined to fight back even more.
	So really, they continue to shoot themselves in the foot when they keep putting out these hit pieces.
	It ensures that Gamergate will keep going.
	It ensures that we're still here saying, no, this is bullshit.
	What do they want?
	They clearly want us to continue.
	They're our best friends.
	I guess they must be.
	I mean, why else?
	I mean, I remember, was it David Albach who literally been the first people?
	Within the first few months of Gaming Gate, he was like, all right, all you have to do is consent their volunteers.
	Because what they're demanding is completely reasonable.
	He's a heretic.
	He's an apostate or something.
	This is the critical kind of free thinkers that they should be embracing and using to their advantage, and they are pushing away people like that.
	It's going to be not wasting office.
	Him and Eric James, who you could tell, like, look, we don't want to get involved.
	We don't want to be siding with Gaming Gate.
	We just want to stay neutral.
	We're going to get, you know, a balance between the people.
	Exactly, but we're actual journalists.
	We can't just have one side and not the other.
	And for their crimes of reporting the subject accurately, have become not just heretics, but apostates.
	They have been like exiled from the social justice community and cheated really, really badly.
	And so now they find themselves forced to report whenever a Gaming Gate or Gaming Gate related or something like that report comes out.
	They have to then say, well, actually, you're leaving up to 50% of the story and we have to present it because you're lying.
	But that's like you defending Roosh.
	You don't want to have to do it, but you've got to to stick to your principles.
	That's exactly it.
	That is exactly it.
	There's no choice for them.
	None of that.
	That's exactly it.
	I do not want to defend Rouche, but he doesn't defend.
	It's about integrity.
	You know, and they have it, and many other journalists don't.
	And I think it's quite clear in the pieces that have been published, you can tell that a journalist is from a poor life.
	Well, you know, one of the interesting things, he's not a journalist, but looking at 2988, one of the things that interested me is when the Reddit Revolt was going, and they were talking about there was a sub-reddit, which is a section of Reddit, called Reddit R Fat People.
	Yes, I went to them and subscribed to that.
	I'm just going to disclose that.
	Oh, you horrible person.
	How's he doing?
	But the point is, horrible people aside or not.
	Looking at 2988, he's a huge guy.
	He's enormous.
	He is all over these, but he's also the nicest and fairest man you'll ever meet.
	So he put out a video saying, look, I don't like what they do because I'm surprised.
	He's a horrible comment there, really horrible.
	He featured there on a daily basis.
	He was always there.
	They were like, oh, look at Boogie.
	He's huge and fat for him.
	And he was like, look, I don't agree with you doing.
	I hate what you're saying.
	But in true Voltaire fashion, I'll defend on the death of your right to say, even though I think you did.
	Absolutely.
	And man, I saw him post on Twitter.
	I was like, man, you're awesome, Boogie, honestly.
	It is a big, and I'm not even saying this ironically.
	It's a fucking big man to turn around and say, you know what, I don't care that you are taking a piss out of me on a daily basis.
	You have every right to do so.
	It's your choice.
	I don't have a right to censor you.
	I think you probably saw that there were also two sides to it.
	There were people there who posted a lot about the fat acceptance movement promoting really unhealthy, well, not even science, I wouldn't call it, but bullshit.
	Yeah, pseudo-science.
	Yeah.
	Absolutely.
	But this is the one.
	It's people who understand that they don't necessarily have a right to control other people's actions and thoughts.
	And being honest with themselves.
	Veggie has been dieting.
	He knows his weight is unhealthy.
	I don't mean to get into a tangent because I especially don't want to talk bad about the guy because he's a wonderful, wonderful guy.
	It's clearly a struggle, a person's problem with him, and that makes it difficult to be objective, yet he is still objective, which should be awarded.
	I couldn't say any better.
	That was absolutely.
	And is there anything else you want to say, no?
	Just accept that, you know, Games Press, you could do better, you should be doing better.
	We're still going to be here if you keep popping up.
	So get used to it.
	Yeah, we've all got Twitter accounts.
	We're not going to close them.
	Yeah, and Twitter has now been officially can't.
	It's going to stay that way.
	When you do what you talk about at 4chan, this is what you ask for all of this.
	Yeah, can you believe that 4chan sided their dreams of censorship?
	That's what they did.
	That's the thing.
	You see the fights from a few years ago defending freedom of speech.
	Imagine insane.
	It's absolutely insane.
	Like, that's not the fight that I knew five, ten years ago.
	It's a bizarre step.
	It's very, very strange.
	Thank you very much.
	You're very welcome.
	Thank you.
	Can I get it right over there?
	Right, well, she took time.
	I am Steve Pan Devil.
	I'm just going to.
	But my main thing, stay name, is Steve McDevil.
	I just thought Steve.
	Okay, and what's your involvement game here?
	Shit postage.
	My main kind of instance down.
	Can I say that's the problem where you don't really have a target that's going to move someone who can't do things just to get a reaction on people?
	We're mocking her for what's going on in mock.
	Yeah.
	And well, it's true.
	In some ways, the sky things are being unrelated to everything, just chatting.
	A lot of people posting memes.
	Just having a good time on Twitter, just having a laugh, indulging in a sense of humour, if you will.
	I read a lot of the stuff.
	Someone's here to say.
	Well, I've got into Gamergate through Tumblr and Akin, which is kind of.
	It's a Reddit, a subreddit, which kind of shows SJW stuff from Tumblr Big Lee and in lesser forms.
	And that split off into Zachary.
	And that's the first mention of Tumblr on this video.
	So while you can tell what the Tumblr is, it's a blog inside, which will trigger either Edward or SJWs.
	There's a distinct amount of triggering going on in this field.
	Can you elaborate a little bit?
	I don't think so myself.
	Can you give an example of something that someone on Tumblr said?
	Well, there's a lot of racists against white people, fair sex, sexism against men.
	Just it's only bigotry, but it's acceptable there because it's against the majority, or does it say the majority, privileged majority.
	Yeah, men aren't actually majority in society.
	They're actually a minority.
	If you were to break down, sorry, especially in terms of Tumblr Trump.
	Oh, yeah, of course.
	But through their spectrum, Japan action, through their data, and just continuing that.
	The main thing I've got about gaming today, I've been gaming since I was probably about five years old, and you know, um, you've got a lot of new stuff you can take, but it's, it's been under attack since before I was born, by a long way.
	And it's with the women, and it was the groups that were meant to the sites that were meant to protect us, meant to stand up for us, have an art tightening up.
	And it seems like they can be sold out to a ridiculous level.
	But they're not game sites anymore.
	They're SUW score sites.
	Are you saying that they're pushing an ideological agenda?
	Yeah.
	And the other thing is how, well, they didn't support good games, they supported games that they lose on their games.
	Yeah.
	And it wasn't occasionally one site, it was all sites for massive charges.
	And I think this is what the Game Jenner Pro showed us.
	Was the internal mailing list of the game sites?
	They were all very much on the same page and they were almost cooperating.
	And I think he was very worried.
	Yeah.
	So it's so all unbelievable.
	Yeah, it's worrying, isn't it?
	It's naked.
	It's a collusion of what they're engaged with.
	What drives me is that none of the problems are wrong, although very few people who can use many of us saw it as being a problem.
	Yeah, and also they can ruin people's lives and ruin years and years of work based on who they knew.
	Well, I think Alistair Pintoff is possible.
	Do you want to tell me that?
	Well, Alexa Pinsoff was that he was a writer for Destructoid and he revealed, I think it's Chloe, I can't remember the surname of the girl, but she was actually a transgender man.
	And she was doing a crowdfunding athlete to crowdfund money to get the transgender operation done, but lied to people and told them that she was crashing for a game.
	And Alistair Pintoff broke the story and then was then fired for breaking the story as I understand it.
	And so literally he lost his job because of the story.
	And that should be something which is quite important as a major, major issue in gaming, especially in the public crowdfunding games.
	Because there's Tim Shaffer who spent God knows how much money on half-finished games and games which he hasn't completed and now things are really crowdfunding that's like great.
	I would be impressed if anyone used Tim Shape anymore.
	You know what?
	Good for you, Tim.
	Nice speaking.
	You do it.
	You make it happen.
	Make your dreams come true.
	Do it!
	Chill!
	Just end your dreams doing!
	Thanks a lot for coming in.
	Does anyone give it away?
	Mancato.
	Madrid's hands.
	Yes.
	No sports on the spaces.
	Brett, how do you find yourself in Game Game?
	Well, well, I was interested in Fortune on occasionally.
	Closer?
	Closer?
	Done. Done. Done.
	I am wrecked.
	Sorry, go ahead.
	I'm going to get a four and start later.
	I was going to see the YouTube communication money and came across some thread about the whole Zero Person conspiracy thing.
	So I watched the two videos that Jim A.K. experienced.
	And I thought that's interesting.
	And then when I found out that I offered a massive video of the music and stuff.
	I thought that's interesting.
	I hope it's based on this.
	I used to be a moderator on the official forums for engaging the game channel.
	Using Minecraft this YouTube.
	He used to be part of the artist.
	And when he first set up the forums, he started slowly changing the theme of what his videos were.
	And people were questioning the same theme.
	Minecraft gave orientation.
	And then I started because more often as you can see.
	And people were questioning that theme, they were perfectly happy to change that one because it wasn't that theme channel.
	And people started getting banned for it.
	Luckily, by that time, I had a whole moderator, thanks to the various helping known servants on Minecraft.
	And I looked at the mod logs and I found a ton of bands.
	Eventually, someone else got banned asking what's with the theme change.
	And there's someone who was quite well known to everybody in the forums.
	And it just so happens that at that time there was a subscription of everyone that was popular and everyone was a moderator.
	Because it was a very small thing.
	And so I decided to let them know the image and I got the other moderator who I will not mention.
	They double-checked the verifier and the forums went massively down.
	And lots of people were calling and going out and game channel.
	And I decided for that time, the name of Nick.
	Remain anonymous.
	Not revealed that I was the moderator for all the information on the complexity crash records because basically everyone moved off to another created their own unofficial forums.
	But of course there was then Gamergate arrived and conspiracy stuff people came along and this I started the show basically.
	Since I was not just a moderator I was on Avio this new forums I said you know what I was also running trying to run a YouTube group so you know I'll stuff it and the young and the next person who decided to step in with a moment of meeting as well so the whole thing was technically falling apart because of basically social justice for us.
	So you your community was what like infiltrated but someone went here They just suddenly revealed their colours, really.
	So they turned up and they effectively had what?
	Ida from politics?
	Yeah.
	And they were saying that we're white.
	Not necessarily.
	It was more when it came to gaming, they were going to places like crack.com saying, oh, look, look, what's being said here?
	This is clearly true, because it's written by the press.
	Yeah, yeah, because something is being written technically.
	Yeah, it must be true.
	Yeah.
	And after that, I've got stuff.
	It's a Wikipedia song.
	So after that, after a while, I said to the other moderators, okay, I'm going to reveal everything.
	All the mod blogs on the suburb of our Minecraft.
	And I got about 3,000 uploads when I revealed it.
	Because our Minecraft hits Game Jack, because they know he's on it.
	He's based pretty unethically himself.
	He had a YouTube video on their Minecraft animations and didn't properly disclose who the creator was in the description or nor any video.
	He never stated.
	He just put a Minecraft video up there.
	And, you know, normally you would see that the name of the creator in before you have to click more on the description.
	And you have to put more to it's like it's one tile and it's all only it's something.
	Yeah, it was something, but it was basically a lot of the Minecraft people on saying, no, we're not happy with that level.
	It's not going to be more exploded and like maybe anything at least a channel and stuff like that.
	But yeah, that's my experience with like the initial experience with like SJWS stuff and it was the censorship that dragged you into GameCube.
	Yeah, and then, look, you know, ethical problems and that's very much my speech.
	Censorship itself isn't ethical.
	Yeah, I don't really see how anyone has any rights to censor other people's.
	My opinion on free speech is that I may disagree with what you're saying, but if you believe in that, I don't give a one if you want to continue spouting any level.
	I'm personally of the opinion that I don't actually have the right to tell people you can't have that free speech.
	Just because I disagree with it, if it's in a public space, then why would I have the right to tell people?
	Or why would I have the right to restrict your access to being able to express your opinion?
	But yeah, I mean, the whole moderator thing itself on that site was basically people being banned.
	Some person who had confirmed who they were on the altercation spectrum, like Joey.
	They showed me some various things before I started.
	They'd been banned for being illiterate more or less or something like that.
	I literally put that.
	And then anyone who had left the site stating, we're leaving, we're not happy with the admins, the way the admins are working, basically got banned.
	And their reason for being banned was being a turncoat.
	Literally.
	Being a turncoat?
	Oh, yeah.
	That's a very interesting turn of phrase.
	Yeah.
	They're very much in the whole fish pot gentleman before.
	Oh, right.
	Okay, okay.
	I explained to that.
	They also had a run-in with a mod creation team who created a Minecraft mod called Pixelmon based on Herkymon.
	Right.
	And what Pixelmon had done is they had added some code into their mod that allowed them to ban specific people from using the mod by installing a Minecraft.
	Which in...
	This thing is remarkably specific.
	Yeah.
	So basically, someone whose fans were like Wednesday, next Sunday, Wednesday, next update, they'd add their Minecraft data to the list.
	And what would happen is their Minecraft would crash every time they tried to use it.
	That's rather vindictive.
	Yeah, and it was also against Minecraft Eternal Service.
	I say this to someone who enjoys mods extensively.
	Yeah.
	It's very much like... Not of Minecraft, but of other games, but...
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	That's what they basically did that.
	It was against Minecraft Eternal Service and they had a little battle with Mojang staff over it.
	Wow, I didn't even know they could do that.
	And so Mojang said, No, you have to take this out, otherwise we're going to kick you all off Minecraft.
	So this they remotely reluctantly did it.
	And Game Chat is very much like Gawker in a sense.
	He likes to report things in his own interpretation instead of presenting instead of just presenting facts as they are.
	He just basically says, This is what happened.
	And he got into a massive conflict with PixelMon mods.
	And they started to come to the forums to debate with him or discuss and present their side for the story.
	And I got an email or a private message on the forums along with other moderators stating that you will ban any Pixelmon moderator, Pixelmon developers who dare try and come up to this site and argue against what we put out.
	I mean this is the same.
	Yeah it's it's not it's not GameKit related but it shows the mindset of the people who talk about the thing and then there's these kind of people they talk they basically they had arguments with the actual my Mojang staff so that's basically how I got drived into the whole census thing.
	So with Gamergate itself, the one of the things I enjoyed most is other than the?
	U various YouTube videos and live streams I've done is airplay, because especially the first panel I thought we thought that definitely was defining point and but especially when the non-gaming hell confirmed that basically the SPJ agreed that what Kotaku, specifically Kotaku, but in general what the game journalists were doing was unethical.
	That basically gave us a basic ground standing to say what we have found already is unethical.
	Yeah there is enough going forward into this that we know categorically dozens of problems.
	I think the other thing I like about is the suggestion of the journalism awards and right now there's obviously game politics and Kotaku both their chief editors in chief have both stated on live streams or YouTube videos that they would never have an ethics policy because they believe they know what's right and wrong.
	Yeah it's a very interesting thing isn't it that Kotaku's ethics policy extends to Patreon only.
	Yeah.
	It doesn't extend to any kind of other ethical conflicts or then there was the editor-in-chief Games Politics who said on a live stream for airplay coincidentally that he wouldn't add in an ethics policy because he believes that he knows what is ethical or what isn't because he's editor-in-chief.
	Did he?
	Yeah, he was in a conversation with Stephen and Stephen said like no, no, that would do it.
	Basically.
	Oh I'm sure Stephen knows best.
	He doesn't agree with journalism for God's sake.
	Yeah yeah yeah he works in games politics damn it.
	That's very fun.
	But yeah sorry.
	The games journalism awards I'm just personally I'm thinking about how that would be implemented because one of the things I was thinking of is basically we put in basic specific points that games journalists, sites as a whole, if they want to sign up to the awards and get recognised as this great site, they would have to abide by these ethical points.
	So, like, for example, disclosures on reviews and so on.
	Yeah, various bullet points of view that they should have to do.
	That they could also use as a basis for their ethics policy and then have a reference to.
	So, for example, for example, there's like the ethics policy, but the game rights basically has a link to the SPJ now after what after Miles Chung basically.
	I mean, what he yeah, after he after he decided that he was in the wrong, you know, he very bravely apologised.
	Yeah, and I think it's weird to say that that's brave.
	It's weird to say that's brave, but given the political climate that he was operating in, it was a brave thing to do.
	Yeah, and then there was the escapers who did it first.
	They did?
	Via Archon.
	Yeah.
	And then you have like.
	Alexander Makris as the man.
	Yeah.
	Then you have sites such as TechRaptor, GamesNosh, and Niche Gamer who all share very similar, if not identical.
	And who are all very much like pro-consumer for gaming gamers?
	Yeah, I mean, the initial argument between GamesNosh and TechRaptor over GamesOffice basically copying TechRaptor's ethics policy, I think that was solved rather quickly once other big names started to call out TechRaptor was what they're hardly the worst crime in the world.
	We're adopting the same ethics policy as you.
	Yeah.
	Alright.
	I mean, in my opinion, what there needs to be is something like the SPJ or something like that.
	Specifically for gaming that states these are the codes of ethics for games journalism, no matter what newspaper you are, whether you're the Guardian or editor somewhere, small sites like Niche Game and TechRaptor and Games Nosh.
	And say these are the things you have to follow.
	And.
	See, I'm wondering, I mean, I think it's probably going to be hard to get that as well.
	I think that the first step is demanding ethics policy.
	Yeah.
	And, you know, Gaming has done very, very well.
	Yeah.
	But I mean, I think you've made good points that there have been in other domains this sort of.
	I don't even know how to describe it.
	It's just like just people who are unscrupulous of what they do.
	They're not fussed about being ethical in the way they operate.
	Yeah, I mean, I was just basically when it came to the whole feminism and gender cultural side of things, because I was trying to, because for the past year, I've been trying to explain what it is to my mum.
	And I've managed to.
	Good luck for that.
	Yeah.
	I've actually managed to pretty much explain it and even convince her to start up her own blog.
	And convinced her to start up her own blog and start ranting at whatever she feels like ranting at.
	And one of them is definitely going to be the third waivers.
	She hates them.
	There are a lot of women that I know that hate them.
	Yeah.
	And basically, she couldn't understand initially until recently why the journalists were pushing ideology through unethical means.
	And when, I mean, recently there were some Twitter posts that were found, and I think they were put onto K on a thread, linking the something awful booms with feminist frequency in a way.
	Really?
	Yeah, as in people who associated themselves with helping Anita get into the video game industry in terms of not Macintosh and such, but people who are associated, it's probably Silverstring related.
	I'm not sure.
	Yeah, I don't know if he reads that.
	They basically said how we're going to push feminist frequency into the mainstream.
	How are we going to get Anita of the specific set of ideology that Anita's going to be pushing into the mainstream of gaming?
	And one person suggested trolls and specifically suggested the something awful goons as they were professional.
	Oh no, I saw this.
	Yeah, so that was just a kind of college.
	Yeah, that was just a random thing.
	This is how effective the something awful goons are.
	It's always like the internet, I mean, yeah, yeah.
	And they did mention feminist frequency in conversation, but it wasn't attributing to her, actually.
	It wasn't directly attributing, but there were mentions of her.
	So, with the Heldom, which is.
	Yes, there was a something awful board, wasn't it?
	Yeah, it was a something awful board that's supposed to be shut.
	Yeah, where it was about doxing.
	Yeah, doxing and harassing, and I'm not again not sure on this, but apparently they harassed a girl to death, which is why they're supposed to have shut down, but they moved the clocks back on that specific section of the board so that posts on there look like they're old and the threads look like they're being deleted.
	Right, okay.
	I mean, there's something held on thread about the bomb scare Nita got and they're taking credit for it on it.
	Yeah, so something awful isn't a board you really want to go to.
	No.
	Okay, I guess we've got a problem wrapped up.
	Yeah.
	But thanks a lot for coming up.
	Okay, we have another ethics bear because someone is too afraid to put themselves on camera.
	No, that's not an explosion on their character.
	Excuse me, I am the bear.
	Can you please look at my eyes?
	Sorry.
	Don't worry about it.
	On the bus side, sorry, which one is Applejack?
	Fuck you, Brony.
	What is this white liquid?
	Bro, it is in action.
	So what would you like to say about game one?
	Well, actually, a lot of things.
	First of all, I'm here as a bear because so far pretty much everything else has been covered.
	As we've had all races, genders, sexual orientations.
	The only thing that's missing really is a gay stuff there.
	So what I want to talk about.
	I think we've already had a bear.
	Sorry, Karen.
	I didn't mean to be one of those signs.
	Sorry, Karen.
	I'm literally crying here.
	You can't say that yes because they're all polished.
	Yes, a little bit of tears.
	So what I wanted to talk about really was the, I suppose, the future of these, right?
	And not just the future of the movement itself, but rather its implications.
	Its implications that could be, but will not necessarily be.
	You see, the state that we've lived in for the last, I would say, 50 years is that of the Portuguese Empire, which has manifested extremely strongly in the last maybe five years or so in the gaming scene.
	And what this Portugal Empire is all about is really an effort by various influences to stop opinions that stop ideologists and read their own basically people have said that Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires.
	I would say that gaming will be the graveyard of culture because the way it is.
	Yeah, I mean the thing is, when it comes to film, for example, when it comes to books, these things are completely passive.
	You just sit there and read or watch.
	And so you can slightly take in a view of reality and you don't necessarily be active.
	You don't necessarily have to take in the values being presented, but you will just accept everything as being the way it is.
	But when it comes to a game, when it comes to a game, you make the decisions.
	You decide whether you want to play out a new function or a good action.
	You decide indeed what good and evil means.
	I mean, if you're a moral activist, I suppose you do that.
	You don't really get railroaded in doing things you don't like, because if you don't like them, you just stop playing them.
	So all these things...
	I don't know about that.
	You can just switch, I suppose, to the game.
	The option exists.
	But the point is that a game can reflect your own values, and it can allow you to express your own values, which is not something that any classic medium of culture can do.
	And it is precisely in allowing people to express their own values, I would argue, that gaming has emerged a sort of culture that are very proactive, they're very individualistic from 4chan, etc.
	Because people don't like being told what to do, can certainly like doing things in the context of a social culture.
	That's my take on what has been going on so far and how Gamergate has been successful in a sense at defeating these cultural empires.
	I'm not going to go into what this cultural empire is about.
	I mean, everyone knows about history itself.
	But also, I think we should be looking at what will result from the eventual decline, if not fall, of this cultural empire.
	Where I think we should ask ourselves where the problems caused by this empire started.
	I would say that in the early 60s or so, as technology began moving forward, as people saw that progress became a matter of technological growth, as I said, that science could explain things that religion could not.
	People used to allow religion for their future.
	Are you saying that we need to provide non-terminal?
	I'm not saying that anyone needs to provide non-terminalism, I'm saying that people will start to provide alternatives because in the past, if you did not agree with the values of mainstream MW ideologies, you would be censored.
	You would be forced out of your job.
	It's generally the mainstream ideology.
	It's true for some basic ideologies at the time, I suppose.
	But take a look, for example, at classical liberalism back a century ago or two centuries ago.
	Surely, classical liberalism by itself expects you to have your own expectations, it doesn't force you, but it's perfectly open to have your own views.
	Whereas social justice ideology doesn't.
	In fact, it's completely against that.
	And the thing is, there are different sets of values that people can embrace, and the way to express these values is ultimately through torture.
	And if we cannot create our own cultures that express our own values, do other people also share our values?
	We cannot communicate with each other properly.
	What this cultural empire, I would argue, has created is a complete silence, not complete, but certainly a partial silencing of people.
	I can't remember who said it, but the description of the Romans, they create a desert and call it peace.
	for a wasteland for peace, and it sounds very similar.
	You could say that, although that was political as well, that was...
	Yes.
	Whereas this is pretty much social and cultural, as in you can't expect a Roman army to come marching on you when you have games.
	Of course, but the principle is the same.
	You know, you can't express yourself as you block.
	So there's simply just a wasteland of ideas and principles and culture.
	And that's.
	That is certainly true.
	Yeah, that's very much.
	And the thing is, the replacement of cultural empire should really not be another cultural empire.
	And it will be up to, I suppose, people in Gamergate, people who have the sort of mindset to rise up and, I suppose, protest against any sort of other cultural empires that arise that start to dictate how culture should be and start to engage in all sorts of nefarious actions, censorship, for example, as Haven already.
	I think there's a distinct problem with power vacuums.
	If you've got, as you say, a cultural empire, it collapses, it's swept away, then there's going to be a distinct vacuum where the cultural empire was, and people will expect something naturally to grow to fulfill.
	Yeah.
	And that's what I want to say, actually.
	That's why I came here.
	Folks, look, I'm just a little bear.
	I maybe not know what I'm talking about, but listen to me for once.
	You have the opportunity to create your own culture and to take part in your own culture.
	Now, this is going to be a glut of games being released in the next several years already without problems on Steam.
	Having put out how much was it last year, I believe it was more than 1,000 games per year.
	I'm pretty sure I'm not mistaken about that, and I may be underscoring the effect.
	The point is that there need to be certain niche markets set up.
	This is an opportunity, an economic one, as well as a cultural one.
	In that, look, you can purchase games that share your values.
	And you can, if you are already a game developer or if you are extremely die-hard keen on becoming one despite the risks when it comes to economics in the market, you can try and make one and you can try to promote it to the kinds of people who share your values.
	I mean, games can certainly be entertained and they can be very valuable as entertainment, but at the same time, they can be very valuable as culture to the kinds of people who would appreciate the sort of culture that you put before.
	So keep that in mind and consider the fact that everyone can build a new culture.
	All you have to do is get together and do it.
	Not necessarily in terms of communicating.
	I have to say that culture can take many forms and it doesn't even have to take media forms either.
	It can simply mean you coming together, talking about your values, talking about how to actually bring them out within the community, for example.
	And once you do that, well, you can begin to build this culture.
	You can begin to create a small world that I think culture is just what people do.
	You know, it's just what people do.
	It's just how they interact.
	It's just the hobbies they have, the things they do, the jokes they tell.
	All of these things contribute to a culture.
	That's true, but I would emphasize that a culture really is based on certain values all the time.
	You can't talk about culture without talking about values.
	Of course, yes.
	Because otherwise you're talking about entertainment.
	So as I said, yes, this power vacuum, well, I wouldn't even call the power vacuum because in a decline you don't have a complete collapse.
	I would say smaller pocket vacuums if you want to look at them that way.
	But just take the opportunity.
	Now you can talk about the kinds of things that you want to talk about.
	Now you can share your values with other people who might also create your values.
	You wouldn't be surprised.
	Talk to people, become friends with the kinds of people who share your values, as I said, and try to form a culture together.
	Because if you don't do it now, there will be other people who want to do it for you in the sense that they will want to make another cultural empire that will get rich of you purchasing the games they make, the films they make, etc.
	And it's not going to be good for you because it might turn out to be another SJW empire that would then try to censor you, etc.
	You want to go.
	Yeah, it might be people who don't share your values.
	Guns.
	Yeah.
	Guns for us.
	Did you say guns?
	Do you want me to dance?
	I said, no, dance.
	Oh, now dance.
	If you want gonuts, you can have gonuts.
	Man, I can't.
	You don't know what we did to your camera or why you weren't there.
	So that's the least of my worries.
	It's really not.
	It actually is.
	Yeah, I feel so good.
	I feel like I'm about to get date rings, actually.
	Yes, yes, you are.
	I don't think people from the evil age should hear these things, honestly.
	I am coming.
	Thanks for giving your opinion.
	Yeah, you're welcome.
	Come on, fill out my hand.
	I can't.
	No, no, no.
	Don't say you.
	Just shake it away.
	Shake it.
	Come on, shake it.
	Just be a person.
	Stop being a bear.
	Thank you, Ethics Bear, for sharing your opinion.
	You're quite welcome.
	Take it easy, man.
	Remember, everyone, you two can prevent journalism fires.
	Why in the juice?
	I don't know why I allow so many Germans on my fucking stamp.
	Honestly, don't talk anymore.
	What's your tan?
	Of course.
	As I said before, I'm not very active.
	He's not really a trusty kind of guy.
	He's a bit of an Irish country pumpkin.
	Oh, what?
	No, he's ginger, doesn't he?
	Yeah, he's Irish.
	We've already covered that, have you?
	Yes.
	Yeah, no, it's fair to you.
	So, how exactly did you find yourself in gaming?
	I mean, why exactly do you hate women's clubs?
	Well, there's many reasons.
	My clothes don't clean themselves.
	The dishes just pile on.
	These are all reasons I hate them.
	So why do you support you?
	Well, I guess I come from a different angle from most people, right?
	I come from a very small village in Ireland.
	A very conservative village.
	And I guess I'd probably fall on the conservative end of this.
	Oh, really?
	So you're the vile right-wing element of gaming, aren't you?
	Well, yes, maybe.
	That's okay.
	We're actually not vegans.
	I don't know if I got you.
	You are fit to be a conservative.
	I am a vegan.
	Betty.
	I can't speak for you.
	So carry on.
	When I say I fall on the conservative end of things, it would be delightful.
	In a way, I'd agree with most liberal views, but I think they don't just function.
	So what you're saying is that you're a communist.
	Possibly.
	But no.
	I work hard for what I do.
	I think I do well.
	And I think anyone else wants to do as well as they do should work as hard.
	I think that's a fair point.
	Yes.
	When I say I'm on the right end of things, it's that.
	you know, and I think that at the moment...
	He's saying he hates the poor isn't he?
	I hate many people.
	Some of them.
	Many women in the poor.
	Some of them are poor.
	Some of them are immigrants.
	Some of them are immigrants.
	Don't talk to me about immigrants.
	That would be fucking weak.
	I've seen Samantha Mom, but she's fucking bad enough.
	I know him.
	Yes, but I think, you know, anything that's liberal in Ireland has been caught up in the winds of chance.
	There's just no competition.
	No one's giving a call on you and everyone's saying it's a good thing.
	With no thought whatsoever.
	And I don't know, did you ever read the windows of the world?
	I actually didn't, but I heard very much.
	You didn't.
	There was a little smoke like that.
	Maybe a little bit of a turn.
	I don't know what it was.
	Essentially, it was that no argument is an Irish match without conditions or not.
	That's an interesting idea.
	Yes.
	If it can't stand up to dissent, then it's not a good idea.
	No matter what it is.
	Well, I agree with you.
	Yes.
	That's not what I'm doing.
	Absolutely.
	That's where I fall in.
	The good argument is that it should be defended on its own merits against any other cards.
	Yeah, and it can't stand on its own merits.
	And it turns off the gaming of things.
	There's a small village.
	Hey, you guys.
	You got an ace, bro.
	I had a...
	I had a poof.
	Oh, right, I can't sense the following name.
	I need to get back to this.
	OK, let's do it, man.
	Yeah, I was talking about dragging us.
	Yeah, no, no.
	Yeah, no, no.
	Yeah, it was very, very good meeting you.
	We still magic.
	Well, Well, I actually do know a bunch of things I want to talk to you about magic and social justice.
	It's a stream on Plumbing with Lucas Kroczek and a couple of others.
	King Tara is a good one.
	King Tara, yeah, yeah.
	Very, very nauseable on magic.
	Yeah, I'll get you all on because, again, I'm worried about the creepers.
	I have spent an awful lot of time arguing on Facebook.
	I mean, social justice warriors in the magic community.
	So I have rigorously defended my position, as you can imagine.
	But yeah, that's what's coming out.
	That's actually a lot on Twitter.
	I need to get out of it.
	It's a horrible habit.
	It is a crutch, it's a vice, isn't it?
	I have a destructive relationship with Twitter.
	It's an abusive relationship.
	I don't like fucking mouths.
	Antony's been a housewife.
	A little too shy on.
	Oh, you're fine.
	Thanks a lot for coming out.
	I appreciate it.
	Yeah, he's a conservative, don't you?
	Well, where have we left off?
	Just start from where you're on.
	It's alright, I'll edit it.
	Maybe.
	So, you're an Irish Conservative.
	That's why we're going to leave you in here to all of you.
	If I go.
	So how does it find yourself embroiling human?
	Why are you a genius?
	I like gaming.
	I like gaming, I create reviews, I want to change my games, I want to buy it, buy it, buy it, buy it.
	I heard it went to shoes.
	It has.
	And it went further.
	And then people were telling me.
	I have to warn everyone that we are.
	I'll give it a like 13 hours.
	Yeah, we have been drinking since midday or so.
	Probably a little delayer and it's dark outside now, so don't judge us.
	Sorry.
	But yeah, essentially that's exactly what we did.
	They were like, it's midnight.
	So probably about 10 hours worth of drinking.
	Sorry, Karen.
	And if anyone tells me what not to do, thank you.
	All more reasons for it.
	Yes.
	And the goal is to start.
	And that's how I got it.
	Are we being shuffled on?
	I have seen better people try.
	I think we'll have like 10-15 minutes.
	Okay.
	That is normal.
	Yeah.
	Okay, well, okay, you know, Karen, let me put this short.
	I don't want to put this short.
	Keep it short and sweet.
	It's a very pleasure.
	That was the gist of us.
	I'm not to edit that together.
	I'm a total.
	There's a lot of distractions.
	Sorry?
	There's a lot of distractions.
	I disagree with Marx on many principles, but I'm very born.
	Leave album alone.
	Yeah, the Marxist island.
	Not a longer term.
	I think we used your eyes.
	Oh, very fine.
	And initially, it was just a corruption.
	Really?
	Yes.
	But then there was somebody telling me I wasn't.
	Maybe we'll have to go to the bottom.
	Why do they have the right to do that?
	I wouldn't want Barcelona.
	I totally agree with you.
	I've got that fucking seven stream as well.
	That's sort of a Celtic streak.
	Half my family's blush.
	And which means we're all.
	Oh, I was doing the opposite.
	Exactly.
	I'm literally going to carry on doing what you just told me not to do.
	Just because you said not to do it.
	For example, I moved over here about two months ago, in my brother, and I moved to a church, and all of a sudden, along this church, there's this...
	Johnny.
	There's a big sign that anti-climb paint.
	Anti-climb paint.
	I had no ambition of climbing it until I saw anti-climb paint.
	Well, I will climb that.
	Regardless.
	That will be climbed.
	That's it.
	I saw my anti-graffiti paint.
	I will feel that.
	I didn't want to before.
	Now I've got to learn how to do graffiti.
	But what do you mean?
	Anti-graffiti?
	What is it revolster?
	Well, ideally, it's coming around.
	Everyone is actually hammered.
	So I guess it's probably the last one.
	And thank you for everyone coming out.
	It's a really, really great club.
	I've best remembered it.
	It's called End of the Knight.
	And we must be awesome.
	Weirdly.
	I'm sure.
	Yeah.
	I mean, look, look how attractive this woman is.
	Look at this title.
	Magnificent man.
	Incredible hair.
	So yeah, it's really awesome, man.
	That's why they use this shit.
	It keeps going.
	They look like that.
	The barge is on, I don't think it's long.
	Signing off.
	Alrighty, then.
	Testing, testing.
	One, two, three.
	What's your Twitter handle?
	117 Baz.
	What's your Twitter name?
	Moji Commit.
	My Twitter name is Young Snake at the moment.
	I change around now and again, but right now, it's a reference to your side.
	Okay.
	Right, sir.
	Tell us about yourself.
	Well, my name is Shabazz, and I've grown up in Ireland for the last 18 years.
	I was born in Pakistan.
	Along the family tree, I'm a Russian, I'm an Arab, I'm an Iranian, I'm Irish by citizenship.
	And basically, I'm a melting pot of very different kind of nationalities and cultures and histories.
	And I've heard that you're trying to get women out of gaming.
	Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	Absolutely, absolutely.
	Sure, if you even look at my family makeup, it's like I was tailor-made.
	I was designed to push women out of gamer game.
	I mean, I have the Russian aggression, the Arab misogyny, the Persian, the Persian attitude to dominate, and the Pakistani stubbornness combined with the Irish doggedness.
	Anything with a vagina just doesn't stand a chance.
	One way or the other.
	That's amazing.
	I don't even know what to ask you now.
	You tell everyone how you feel.
	How I feel.
	In regards to what?
	Well, in regards to Gamergate in particular, okay, of course.
	And how about being connected to the latest shooting in America?
	Because, you know, we know that you must have had something to do with it.
	Well, I'll tell you this much.
	I'll tell you this much, Sargon.
	Having grown up in the post-9-11 world as a Muslim, there isn't one thing that goes wrong in the Western world from a leaky pipe right up to some buildings falling that a Muslim does get blamed for.
	So when you grow up with 14 years of being basically the boogeyman for the whole world and having the face to match, being blamed for misogyny or sexism or even a shooting, it's really small potatoes in everything else.
	This is grand.
	I actually find it kind of adorable that all the lovely little white folks trying to put up with a year's worth of, oh bless your cotton socks, you've had a year of being called a terrorist.
	That must be hard.
	That must be so hard for you.
	So what you're saying is it's a nice relief.
	You know what?
	It's actually, you know, when I have, when I've had some anonymous radical feminist tell me that I don't understand feminist theory, I had a mother who grew up under two separate dictatorships.
	I didn't go to college and study it, so clearly I mustn't have a goddamn clue.
	Even though I had a mother who I learned all my standards from, who was willing to teach girls English during a time that would have gotten her black bagged.
	But at the end of the day, what do I know?
	I'm just a cis male, right?
	I have a funny thing you're kind of white.
	It's kind of internalized.
	You know, actually, I was born white, but I fell into a tanning bed.
	I fell into a tanning bed, and this is the result.
	I can't get on airplanes now, you know, a few glances now, I mean.
	So you're trans-Arab?
	I'm trans-Arab is what I identify as.
	I remember what everybody was saying, have we started the fire?
	And I was thinking, bads, we've been starting fires for ages.
	But like, how do I feel about Gamergate after a year?
	In all seriousness, real talk.
	Gamergate has been, in many ways, it has restored my belief in people as a whole.
	And that might seem like a bit of an exaggeration, but when you grow up for a long time, being the face of a villain, or being connected with a villain, because I had to grow up as a child, and I was told that I never had the luxury of ignorance.
	It was not to be a luxury afforded by me.
	I had to be aware of the news.
	I had to be aware of the spin.
	I had to be aware of how to answer questions no matter what age I was and who asked me them.
	Because that was the age of terror that I grew up in.
	So what I've seen, I've seen a group of people from as far away as Israel, America, South America, Central Europe.
	And the only thing we have in common across like it's been amazing.
	I've met people who are trans, cis, hetero, homosexual, black, white, and the only thing that's united us is that as children, we grew up with one of the most unique art forms mankind has ever seen.
	Gaming is unique in and itself in human creation.
	And that is not exaggeration, that is not hyperbole.
	Because what book tells you you cannot proceed unless you read this chapter?
	What painting tells you you cannot look at it until you understand this medium?
	Gamers have grown up adapting their minds, forming their thought process, and changing from genre to genre, title to title.
	We are people who have made a hobby out of problem solving.
	We have made a hobby and we find fun, we find dark souls fun for God's sake.
	Where are you going to find a more sadistic and masochistic group of people who think dying isn't the end, but merely a chance to learn more?
	So after a year of seeing people from as far away as the other, as time zones that I can't even imagine, coming together and willing to share information, share what they know, share their experiences, it's showing to me that maybe the generation is not lost.
	That finally, we have seen it in TV, we've seen it in all forms of media, we've seen the rise of ideologues, we've seen the sacrificing of merit in exchange for ideology and demagoguery.
	It's kind of ironical in a way that when I grew up, when we were young, especially you, Sargon, you would have been a first-generation gamer.
	You would have seen the rise of, after the arcades, after Pong was the next big thing, you'd have seen the first consoles for the home.
	And we have seen, since that has changed, since the rise of technology, we have just seen a group emerge.
	They don't care about what your gender is, what your race is, what your creed is.
	We see people who are just willing to share a childhood hobby.
	And when I was growing up, it wasn't considered particularly cool.
	It wasn't considered particularly socially normal.
	It was considered sad.
	It's like, oh, you sit at home and play games all day.
	It's like with your Cheetos stained fingers and virginity until the day you like.
	Do I look like a virgin to you, Sarah?
	A little bit.
	Do you know what, by the way, your mother still owes me money, by the way, just want to let you know.
	But the last year has basically shown me that Gamergate can't underestimate what it has done.
	I don't even think there are many in Gamergate who understand.
	Some of the older ones of us in our late 20s, 30s, we understand maybe the scope of what we have done.
	And it will be our responsibility to help guide, especially the younger kids who have taken part in Gamergate and have gotten their first taste of the real world.
	Because a lot of these kids would have grown up and thought, truth is truth, black is black, white is white, and they're getting their first taste of spin.
	They're getting their first taste of lies.
	They're getting their first taste of being at the wrong end of the narrative stick.
	And it's been traumatizing for them.
	I'm not going to belittle it.
	It is traumatizing when you know in your heart that what you're doing isn't wrong, but yet you are being told, you're being screamed at by every facet imaginable that you are in the wrong.
	That is very dehumanizing.
	It can make people feel very isolated.
	And I know that feeling.
	And it is our responsibility as a lot of the older members to help guide people.
	Not to tone them or not to shape them, but merely to let them know and show them support that you're not alone and what you've done.
	Gamergate is probably gamers are the first demographic to show that people will take a stand, that people will question.
	We've seen people roll over in Hollywood.
	We've seen them roll over in literature.
	The Hugo Awards, anybody.
	I mean, come on.
	I can't remember the last time I read good sci-fi.
	So in literature, media, art, film, we've seen people roll over sideways for the zealots.
	And sellots are what are ruining most of the world these days.
	And make no mistake, we have started a small fire in the last year.
	We've shown that the mainstream media, classical media, is not adapting.
	And what doesn't adapt and doesn't evolve will wither and die.
	Raw information, the classical method doesn't work anymore, Sargon.
	Information comes in within seconds.
	It comes in the blink of an eye.
	And gamers who have developed across vast genres, who have grown to change and adapt their thinking and to find the, not think of the problem, but finding the solution.
	We've been doing the work.
	We've been joking.
	There are nurses here.
	There are doctors.
	I'm a graduate scientist myself.
	You're a new father.
	Yet we have all done the job that journalists should have been doing.
	They have no excuse.
	If anything, if any lesson, there's no lessons we can take away that we haven't already thought we would learn.
	We knew that we would learn having to adapt and overcome.
	We knew that we would have to learn that sometimes you have to lose a battle to win the war.
	But if there's anything that journalists can learn from this, if you don't adapt, you will wither and die.
	The world has changed.
	Telecommunications has changed the way people interact.
	It has changed the flavour of information.
	You need to be on the pulse of everything.
	We did your jobs for a year and we suffered for it.
	We will continue to suffer for it.
	We will have to suffer the hammer of a narrative that is supported by people who have the means and the power to propagate it.
	If you don't adapt mainstream media, you will find yourself suddenly left with no customers, nobody listening to you, and you'll wonder how it all went wrong.
	And don't forget that we told you a year ago that you could have stopped this.
	This is the future you chose.
	Don't call it a grave.
	This is what you built.
	I think that's deserving of a round of applause.
	This is coming from an Irish Muslim.

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