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Aug. 7, 2015 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin
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2016 GOP Debate Stream
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Hello everyone, I am here with Kevin McDonald, Louis Levi, and the doctor from Auschwitz.
And we're going to be watching the 2016 presidential GOP debate.
It's for the candidate, isn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Now, if it's all working properly, then you should hear everyone and you should be able to see the video.
So, you know.
I'm just going to fanny around here just to make sure everything's working.
And right, okay.
If in chat you can't hear the video, let me know.
And, you know, if you can't hear anyone, let me know and I'll fix it.
I am watching the chat.
Positioned on the stage by how they stand in the polls.
I figured out why I didn't actually post anything in the chat, just as I'm not able to post anything in the chat right now.
It appears that your streams, your live streams, are for some reason banned in Germany.
What?
I'm not even kidding.
I'm not even shitting you.
I've got to use Proxmate to access the stream.
Fucking what?
It's because he's a Nazi.
Yeah, probably.
It's because you're a Nazi layman.
We are all Nazis deep down inside, aren't we?
Too many videos playing apologetics for the English Defense League, huh?
Yeah, I should have told the Stormfags no.
I shouldn't have been like, yes, I'm not.
Fucking, I'm not even banned in Germany.
Come on, I just want to shit post in the chat, so I'm going to fucking hate you, man.
Man, it's not my fault that, you know, you're responsible for the Holocaust.
Right, okay.
You signed on the wrong side of the war.
Fucking English.
Hey, man, imagine how differently it would have gone.
But anyway, let's go with this.
In the center of the stage tonight, businessman Donald Trump.
I love the fucking roaring reaction as well.
Everyone's like, yeah, Donald Trump's like, yes, brilliant.
Former Florida Governor Jeb Bush.
Wisconsin.
How do you guys feel about the Bush dynasty?
I don't think he's going to win, Jebush, because, I mean, let's face it, America's not ready for another Bush.
Even if he is a good president, I don't know much about him.
But they're not ready.
The name, it's just, it's ruined.
Yeah, how many bushes can, I mean, how many bushes can you have in the White House before you start thinking, well, you know, maybe he's missed.
May as well go back to monarchy.
Well, the same thing with Clinton, though.
Yeah, absolutely.
You know, it's kind of incestuous how, like, you know, the American presidency, you keep seeing the same surnames.
It's like, okay, well, maybe it should open up a little bit, you know.
Governor!
Scott Walker!
Oh, nice wink there.
So who's Scott Walker?
You guys still know about Scott Walker?
The guy who broke up the unions?
Well, he didn't break him up.
He passed the right to work law in the governor of Wisconsin, correct?
Yeah.
It was very controversial because a lot of the union leaders thought that he was trying to destroy unions by saying that people who join unions are not people who join a company that is unionized should not be required to join the union if they don't want to.
It's very controversial.
Okay.
He got recalled for that, but managed to stay in office.
Okay, so that's an interesting thing.
Former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee.
Okay, now I know the name, but I don't know anything about him.
He's a religious lunatic.
That's about it.
Good enough.
Neurosurgeon, Dr. Ben Carson.
It's the one black guy in the entire place.
Who's this guy?
He's a neurosurgeon.
Famous.
He wrote several books about conservative politics and about how we should save America, according to him.
Yeah.
As far as I know, he's actually one of the foremost neurosurgeons in the country.
He's actually pretty credible in that sense.
But yeah, he just recently became involved in politics.
I'd like to see how he does.
Texas Senator Ted Cruz.
Oh, this is Mr. Charisma, isn't it?
People love him.
Escape Velocity.
He loves him.
Tell everyone about Ted Cruz.
Fuck, I don't know much about him.
I know he's very much a tea party guy.
He loves Painter to the base.
Right, okay.
Also a religious lunatic.
He's even worse than Mike Huckabee.
He thinks, like, if you listen to some of the shit that comes from Ted Cruz's mouth, especially his father, you think he's the next coming of Jesus Christ.
Yeah, he also did the Sesame Street thing, didn't he?
Or the Dr. Seuss?
Yeah, yeah.
Right, okay.
Yeah.
This is awesome.
Florida Senator Marco Rubio.
Okay, Colonel Marco Rubio.
I recognize that name as well, but I don't know anything about him.
I actually kind of like him.
He's from Florida, did the immigration reform.
His big thing was to grant illegal immigrants a passage to citizenship.
He sided with the Democrats on that, so a lot of conservatives hate him because they feel like he betrayed the base.
He's giving a Senate seat to Alan Grayson.
Put it like that.
Who's Alan Grayson?
A congressman from Florida that is kind of a loudmouth that a lot of conservatives really fucking hate.
He's giving that's what Marco Ruby is doing for his party.
He's giving a Senate seat to that man.
Okay.
Kentucky Senator Rand Paul.
Okay, now, I know who Rand Paul is.
Not his father's son.
Put it like that.
Yeah, I was going to say, I really like Ron Paul.
But that's because I'm, you know, crazy.
And I like the memes.
No, I like what Ron Paul stands for.
I saw him getting booed when he was like, shouldn't we just, like, you know, adhere to the golden rule?
And everyone started booing him.
It's like, how the fuck can you boo the golden rule, you spast it?
Just, I mean, oh, Jesus Christ, you know.
He's way off base on foreign policy, though.
We had this debate, Sargon.
Yeah, we did.
We did.
But it was a while ago, and I can't remember what we talked about now.
But I'm sure Rand won't disappoint.
New Jersey Governor Chris Christie.
Right.
Now, this guy isn't the heroin addict from fucking Canada, is he?
No, that's Rob Ford.
This guy's just a fat fuck that's fairly corrupt, but hasn't really been caught yet.
Oh, good for him.
Yeah, he's also a traitor, so to speak.
He supports gun control.
Oh, does he?
Conservatives don't like him.
Yeah.
What's he doing on the fucking stage then?
Because he's a fat fuck that's corrupt with money.
That's about it.
He's got no chance, though.
Absolutely no chance.
If he's for gun control, come on.
He's got ties with New York Democrats and stuff like that, so that's why he's got the money.
He sort of runs the left-wing base of the party.
He has the left-wing factions vote.
Okay, that's interesting.
And your very own governor of Ohio.
Okay, Home Advantage.
Who's the governor of Ohio?
The governor of Ohio.
The governor of Ohio.
That's about it.
What's his name, though?
Fuck if I know whatever they said it is.
They didn't say it.
That's the problem.
They didn't say it.
Oh, they didn't?
Still get to it I don't even know the guy's name though.
What the fuck's his name?
Chat, help us out.
They're just like, yeah, the governor of Ohio.
Fuck this guy.
It doesn't matter who it is in Ohio.
They're in Ohio.
This guy's from Ohio.
Sargon for President Thursang in chat.
Well, I'm literally not possibly it's never gonna happen.
I think you would call that a home.
Kaisak?
Is that it?
Kassock?
I don't know.
Kassock.
Kassock, I think.
Kassock.
Yeah.
Who the fuck is this guy?
How have we never heard of him?
I don't know.
He's still governor of Ohio.
Well, that's why we haven't heard of him.
You're in Ohio.
It doesn't mean much.
We're in the Rust Belt.
Yeah, we have no hope.
Yeah!
Go get him!
All right, calm down.
It might be.
It might be.
We'll see.
It might be.
The rules for tonight are simple.
One minute for answers, 30 seconds for follow-ups.
And if a candidate runs over, you'll hear this.
Pleasant, no?
We also have a big crowd here with us tonight in the home of the Cavaliers, as I mentioned.
And while we expect them, we expect them to be enthusiastic, as you heard, we don't want to take anything away from the valuable time for the candidates.
So we're looking for somewhere between a reaction to a LeBron James dunk and the Cleveland Public Library across the street.
Somewhere there, we'll find a balance tonight.
God, look how white this fucker's teeth are.
You know, you gotta be presentable.
Yeah, but it's yeah, but there's there's presentable, and then there's my teeth look like they're made of plastic.
You know, without further ado, let's begin.
Gentlemen, we know how much you love hand-raising questions.
So we promise this is the only one tonight.
The only one.
Is there anyone on stage, and can I see hands, who is unwilling tonight to pledge your support to the eventual nominee of the Republican Party and pledge to not run an independent campaign against that person?
Again, we're looking for you to raise your hand again.
Can you ask me feedback, guys?
Sorry, second.
Oh, never mind.
I actually had the video playing in the background.
Sorry.
Well, 10 out of 10, men.
So, what he's asking there is: if the candidate nominated by the party will be whoever, so you know, it's Kassock or whatever.
And they're asking, are the other people going to place to back him and not run independently, right?
Yes.
Yes, that's the question.
Surely Donald Trump is just going to be like hunting the fuck alike.
Yeah.
He's the only one.
Raise your hand now if you won't make that pledge tonight.
You know where this is going.
Legends, absolute legends.
I don't know why people don't like Donald Trump.
I think he's amazing.
Sorry.
That's brilliant.
Mr. Trump, to be clear, you're standing on a Republican primary.
I fully understand.
The place where he knows what he's doing, for fuck's sake.
The RNC will give the nominee the nod.
I fully understand.
In fact, I'm doing this to piss you off.
And that experts say an independent run would almost certainly hand the race over to Democrats and likely another Clinton.
You can't say tonight that you can make that pledge.
I cannot say I have to respect the person that if it's not me, the person that wins, if I do win and I'm leading by quite a bit, that's what I want to do.
I can totally make that pledge.
If I'm the nominee, I will pledge.
Brilliant.
That's amazing.
Sorry, I know I keep pausing, but this guy's incredible.
I love Trump.
I will not run as an independent.
It's the lack of self-awareness.
You know, I can make that pledge if it's me.
Well, fucking duh.
Dependent.
And I am discussing it with everybody, but I'm talking about a lot of leverage.
He's like a movie villain bad guy.
He really is.
He's such a caricature.
I just.
I can't believe he actually exists and he's actually a billionaire.
My cousin loves him for some fucking reason.
I have no idea why.
Oh, because he's hilarious, surely.
My cousin thinks that he's a good businessman, so he's going to be a good politician.
I'm not sure that follows.
Well, he's a billionaire, isn't he?
So, I mean, he's a good businessman.
He'll win, but I want to win as the Republican.
I want to run as the Republican nominee.
So tonight, you can't save another one of these.
Here's what's wrong.
I know this is what's wrong.
He buys and sells politicians of all stripes.
He's already involved.
Hey, look, look, he's already hedging.
I was just like, yes.
His bet on the Clintons, okay?
So if he doesn't run as a Republican, maybe he supports Clinton, or maybe he runs as an Independent.
But I'd say that he's already hedging his bets because he's used to buying politicians.
Well, I've given him plenty of money.
Just to be clear, you can't make it.
We're going to move on.
You guys want me to stop it?
Okay.
Could you give us the link for the video?
Because I'm having some issues with Skype at the movement.
Yeah, but it's not showing up for me either.
Isn't it?
Okay, we can hear it, we just can't see it.
Oh, shit.
Okay, sorry.
But that was Rand Paul talking, by the way.
Yeah.
Right.
Can you see it now?
Yep, we're good.
Okay, sorry about that.
Something's happening in the middle of the moment.
Thank you.
Something's happening in layman's pants.
I'm not saying I'm masturbating to Donald Trump, because I am masturbating.
But I'm not wearing anything from the waist down, so it's so weird that I can't post in the chip.
It's so weird, Sargon.
I hate you so much.
Mate, it's probably your fucking fault.
I posted this on GT Revolt, guys.
Jesus.
yeah just shout if you want me to stop questions is on the subject of electability in the general election And we start tonight with you, Dr. Carson.
You are a successful neurosurgeon, but you admit that you have had to study up when it comes to foreign policy, saying there's a lot to learn.
Your critics say that your inexperience shows you suggested that the Baltic states are not a part of NATO, and just months ago, you were unfamiliar with the major political parties and government in Israel.
And domestically, you thought Alan Greenspan had been Treasury Secretary instead of Federal Reserve Chair.
Okay, Turkmen, can you pause right there?
Yeah.
Does anyone else think it's fucking stupid to have a president who doesn't think that the Baltic states are part of NATO?
I mean, seriously, what the fuck?
It does show that he's not been paying attention to foreign policy.
I know.
I mean, that's the main job of the president right there, foreign policy and leadership, in my opinion.
So, I mean, I don't know about you guys.
No, I mean, he's probably not like, what's Vladimir Putin so angry about?
Why are you so mad, Senpai?
Why are you so mad?
It's like, yeah, yeah, the Baltic states and Ukraine are trying to join NATO.
What?
When did this happen?
Yeah, exactly.
For fuck's sake.
I am disappointed.
Yeah, basically.
Mistakes.
And don't they raise legitimate questions about whether you are ready to be president?
Well, I could take issue with all of those things, but we don't have time.
But I will say, we have a debate here tonight, and we will have an opportunity to explore those areas.
And I'm looking very much forward to demonstrating that, in fact, the thing that is probably most important is having a brain and to be able to figure things out and learn things very rapidly.
So, you know, experience comes from a large number of different arenas.
And America became a great nation early on, not because it was flooded with politicians, but because it was flooded with people who understood the value of personal responsibility, hard work, creativity, innovation, and that's what will get us on the right track now.
Well, he's already a politician.
Considering he's a fucking neurosurgeon, he's just managed to waste like a minute and a half of talking without saying a damn thing.
This guy's perfect.
He's pandering perfectly to the base, though.
Well, yeah, without a doubt.
I mean, you know, personal responsibility.
Oh, good God.
That's well.
Senator Rubio, when Jeb Bush announced his candidacy for presidency, he said this.
There's no passing off responsibility when you're a governor, no blending into the legislative crowd.
Could you please address Governor Bush across the stage here and explain to him why you, someone?
Oh, the personal attacks, great.
There we go.
Executive office are better prepared to be president than he is, a man who you say did a great job running your state of Florida for eight years.
Well, thank you for the question, Chris, and it's great to be here tonight.
Sorry, who's Mr. Vanilla here again?
That's Marco Rubio.
Oh, yes.
Former senator from Florida.
Let me begin by saying this.
I'm not new to the political process.
I was making a contribution as the speaker of the third largest and most diverse state in the country well before I even got into the Senate.
I would add to that that this election cannot be a resume competition.
It's important to be qualified.
But if this election is a resume competition, then Hillary Clinton's going to be the next president because she's been in office and in government longer than anybody else running.
Here's what this election better be about.
This election better be about the future, not the past.
It better be about the issues our nation and the world is facing today, not simply the issues we once faced.
This country is facing an economy that has been radically transformed.
You know, the largest retailer in the country in the world today, Amazon doesn't even own a single store.
And these changes have been disruptive.
They have changed people's lives.
The jobs that once sustained our middle class, they either don't pay enough or they are gone.
And we need someone that understands that as our nominee.
If I'm our nominee, how is Hillary Clinton going to lecture me about living paycheck to paycheck?
I was raised paycheque to paycheque.
How was she?
Oh, that's good.
Class war.
Gaston Benkis class will know.
How is she going to lecture me?
How is she going to lecture me about student loans?
I owed over $100,000 just four years ago.
If I'm our nominee, we will be the party of the future.
Sounds like he's bad with money, though.
I'm pretty sure that's a bald-faced fucking lie.
Yeah.
Let's take political facts.
I'm sure they have something.
Yeah, someone Google that.
I owed over a million dollars in student loans over just short six months ago, and I paid them off.
Wow, man, look, this guy should be the president.
That doesn't sound like total horseshit.
Yeah, I just thought, well, you're not a billionaire, are you?
On that fucking logic, I'm voting for Trump.
Jesus.
What does it say this guy was in college six years ago?
Well, exactly.
You know, do you really think you're qualified to be the president?
Governor Bush, you have insisted that you're your own man.
You said you have a life experience uniquely your own, not your father's, not your brother's.
But there are several opponents on this stage who get big applause lines in early voting states with this line.
Quote, the last thing the country needs is another Bush in the Oval Office.
So do you understand the real concern in this country about dynastic politics?
Absolutely, I do.
And I'm going to run hard, run with heart, and run to win.
How does that fucking answer the question?
You have to understand that you're dealing with George W. Bush's fucking less articulate brother here.
Like, listening to this guy, it makes me genuinely like George W. Bush.
He was fucking charismatic.
He was.
He was a likable guy.
You want to go for a beer with him.
Also, didn't Jeb Bush, didn't he come out in support of the Common Core thing?
In part.
He'll talk about it a little bit later in the debate.
I'm going to have to earn this.
Maybe the barrier, the bar is even higher for me.
That's fine.
I've got a record in Florida.
I'm proud of my dad.
I'm really proud of my brother.
In Florida, they call me Jeb because I earned it.
I cut taxes every year.
They call you Jeb because that's your fucking name, idiot.
They took our Jeb's.
We balanced every budget.
We went from $1 billion of reserves to $9 billion of reserves.
We were one of two states that went to AAA bond rating.
They call me Vito Corleone because I vetoed Total.
Here we go.
Oh, go on.
Oh, sorry, John, carry on.
Veto Porleone.
What the fuck?
Doesn't that just make it sound like he's not going to get anything done?
No, no, I mean, I think that's good.
I mean, the government that governs the least governs the best, right?
In the eyes of these people, anyway.
Or the conservatives.
Yeah, I suppose so.
You know, oh, Russia's invading Ukraine.
I'm sorry, Vita.
...in the budget.
I'm my own man.
I govern as a conservative and I govern effectively.
And the net effect was, during my eight years, 1.3 million jobs were created.
We left the state better off because I applied conservative principles in a purple state the right way and people rose up.
Well, it sounds good.
He oversaw the fucking bubble in the state.
He helped ruin this state's fucking economy.
Isn't Donald Trump with his sexism thing next?
I fucking hope so.
Yeah, it is.
Oh, the war on women.
Oh, God.
Prepare yourself.
Prepare yourselves.
My body is ready, man.
Your mind, and you don't use a politician's filter.
However, that is not without its downsides, in particular when it comes to women.
You've called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slavs, and disgusting animals.
Your Twitter account.
Only Rosie O'Donnell.
That makes it okay, Trump.
That makes it okay.
Hey, I have no problem with people saying insulting things.
No, me though, but I think a lot of other people don't like that.
Run pull for president.
I love the crowd response.
Everyone loves it.
No, it wasn't.
Your Twitter account. Thank you.
for the record it was well beyond rosio yes i'm sure you can tell he wasn't oh go ahead Yeah, it's just like your Twitter account and say, well, stop there, love.
To be honest, I don't care what's on his Twitter account.
I've decided that I just don't give a shit about what happens on Twitter anymore.
You know, someone saw something on Twitter.
So in their defense, in their defense, this section of the debate is about quote-unquote electability, and tone very much is about that.
Just in their defense.
Yeah, but didn't doesn't Donald Trump come out with the wide majority of people supporting him at the end of this.
Oh, I don't work for the RNC.
I'm just two terms of this debate.
That's how they set this up.
This session is quote-unquote electability.
Right, okay.
That's something that I find interesting.
As long as we had those economic and resume questions and all that mammoo jumbo, it was a man moderating.
But as soon as we go to women and Twitter, it's a woman moderating.
And Laynam, turn your mic up a bit, man.
You're quite low.
Really?
Yeah, you're still quite high.
But why isn't Trump getting an economic question?
They'll get to it.
They'll get to it.
Okay, okay.
They're purposely trying to destroy him, Sargon.
Yeah, that too.
It's not going to work, is it?
The man that chooses a president, not the people.
Constantly Trump.
Your Twitter account has several disparaging comments about women's looks.
Oh, no.
You once told a contestant on Celebrity Apprentice it would be a pretty picture to see her on her knees.
I'm sorry, go ahead.
I'm sorry.
I love his face as well.
Just like, so fucking what?
Does that sound to you like the temperament of a man we should elect as president?
And how will you answer the charge from Hillary Clinton, who is likely to be the Democratic nominee, that you are part of the war on women?
Does she not think that Bill Clinton may have said something similar to Michael Lewinsky?
Bill did nothing wrong.
Bill did nothing wrong.
He's a good boy.
Didn't do nothing.
We need more money for them, Democrats.
I think the big problem is being politically correct.
I've been, I've been challenged by so many people and I don't frankly have time for total political correctness and to be honest with you, or even a little bit.
Political correctness.
Those damn cultural marcus are destroying our country.
Country doesn't have time either.
This country is in big trouble.
We don't win anymore.
We lose to China.
We lose to Mexico, both in trade and at the border.
We lose to everybody.
And frankly, what I say, and oftentimes it's fun, it's kidding.
We have a good time.
What I say is what I say.
And honestly, Megan, if you don't like it, I'm sorry.
I've been very nice to you, although I could probably maybe not be based on the way you have treated me, but I wouldn't do that.
Wow.
I can't believe the most popular guy up there is turning around and saying America sucks.
Yep.
That's amazing.
But you know what?
We need strength.
We need energy.
We need quickness.
And we need brain in this country to turn it around.
That I can tell you right now.
Okay, someone's saying, turn your mic down.
Who needs to turn their mic down?
Hey, guys, the sound stops.
Anyone else?
Yeah, sorry.
Yeah.
Sorry, I've muted my thing.
Sorry.
So someone needs to turn the mic down, apparently.
I turned mine down just now.
I think, Louis, I think yours needs to go down a little bit, mate.
Oh, okay.
Not by too much, but a little bit.
But, yeah, no, that's...
I liked what he...
He just doesn't care, does he?
Where's King of Paul?
Isn't he supposed to be in here?
All right, turned it down.
Yeah, I don't know where he is.
Senator Cruz, your colleague, Senator Paul, right there next to you, said a few months ago he agrees with you on a number of issues, but he says you do nothing to grow the party.
He says you feed red meat to the base, but you don't reach out to minorities.
You have a toxic relationship with GOP leaders in Congress.
You even called the Republican Senate leader Mitch McConnell a liar recently.
How can you win in 2016 when you're such a divisive figure?
Chris, I believe the American people are looking for someone to speak the truth.
Yeah, and his name's Donald Trump.
It's not you, is it, Ted?
If you're looking for someone to go to Washington to go along to get along, to get to agree with the career politicians in both parties who get in bed.
Says Ted Cruz, career politician from 1996.
No one believes this, Ted.
You don't sound convincing.
I mean, it's so obviously staged.
It's just a bad X, to be honest.
Yeah, you know, he's clearly looked at Trump's fucking success and been like, hey, I should pretend that I'm that way.
I would almost believe him if he didn't pause, like have that big pause there.
Yeah, I mean, he looks like he's trying to play the president from Independence Day.
Sorry, I have a grumpy child there.
With the lobbyist and special interests, then I ain't your guy.
That's so sincere, isn't it?
There is a reason that we have $18 trillion in debt.
Because as conservatives, as Republicans, we keep winning elections.
We got a Republican House, we got a Republican Senate, and we don't have leaders who honor their commitments.
I will always tell the truth and do what I said I would do.
Said every fucking politician ever in the history of fucking mankind.
Doesn't he look a little bit like Bill Murray from Ghostbusters?
He looks like I think that's kind of an insult to Bill Murray.
Yeah.
I love him.
He looks like he's just kind of, he looks like he's just farted and he's just kind of proud of it.
Yeah, I know.
I was going to say he's like a smug New England cunt.
Yeah, I just from Texas.
And he looks so greasy, he's going to slip off the stage.
What the fuck is going on?
Cruz.
Hell like it is, Joe McCarthy.
You're not exactly the darling of conservatives.
You tout your record as a Republican governor in a blue state.
On Facebook, the most people talking about you, not surprisingly, come from your state of New Jersey.
Was he ever like a mafia boss or something?
He looks like one.
That's a sure.
He's from New Jersey.
What do you want?
Why?
Come on, he's from New Jersey.
Do you want a fun stream?
You should invite Power Ranger guy.
Yeah, you get the name, right?
How insensitive, Sargon of Akkad.
How dare you?
I know.
I know.
They are talking about is the economy.
This may be why.
Under your watch, New Jersey has undergone nine credit rating downgrades.
The state's 44th in private sector growth.
You face an employee pension crisis.
And the Garden State has the third highest foreclosure rate in the country.
So why should voters believe that your management of the country's finances would be any different?
If you think it's bad now, you should have seen it when I got there.
Yeah, New Jersey's not doing really well right now.
Yeah, but look, I mean, look at this guy.
No one can honestly believe that he's going to be a presidential candidate, right?
He's on the stage.
Fact is, in the eight years before I became governor, taxes and fees were raised at the state level 115 times.
In the eight years before I became governor, spending was increased 56%.
And in the eight years before I became governor, there was zero net private sector job growth in New Jersey.
Zero for eight years.
So what did we do?
We came in, we balanced an $11 billion deficit on a $29 billion budget by cutting over 800 programs in the state budget.
We brought the budget into balance with no tax increases.
In fact, we vetoed five income tax increases during my time as governor.
We cut business taxes $2.3 billion, and we cut regulation by one-third of what my predecessor put in place.
And what's happened since?
192,000 new private sector jobs in the five and a half years I've been governor.
We have a lot of work to do in New Jersey, but I am darn proud of how we've brought our state back.
That actually seems decent, to be honest.
Not really.
Jeb Bush had done what was it, 1.4 million jobs or something, wasn't it?
Yeah, but I would say that it's a bigger statement housing bubble.
It's also a bigger state.
More people.
Governor Walker, you've consistently said that you want to make abortion illegal, even in cases of rape, incest, or to save the life of the mother.
You recently signed an abortion law in Wisconsin that does have an exception for the mother's life, but you are on record as having objected to it.
Can you pause it, Chargon?
Yep.
You don't mind?
Sorry.
Thanks.
No, no, no, no.
It's just these fucking people.
Okay, look, I'm on board with the Cuckservative thing, you know.
But these fucking people with the social conservatives, I fucking hate them.
I mean, I really fucking hate these people.
They're making, they're basically, they're the opposite side of the SUWs.
Two sides of the same fucking coin.
So you're going to be a little bit more.
This is Scott Walker.
The union guy from Wisconsin.
Right, yeah.
I mean, do you guys, don't you guys.
What do you guys think of this?
The social conservatives.
We don't really have religious nut jobs like this in the UK.
And they probably don't have them in Germany either.
Well, kinda.
It's a little bit more complicated in Germany.
But essentially, it's like we've got other problems to look for.
Like, we've got a growing deficit.
We've got troops overseas.
Like, you know, those should be our concerns, not whether you can or cannot abort a child.
It's like, I don't know, man.
Yeah, it's a really pathetic issue.
You know, I don't give a shit.
Let women get abortions if they want to get abortions.
It's not my problem.
It's not my business, you know.
But you know what's going to happen, right?
The feminists and the SUWs are going to use this and be like, oh, look, oh, look, we're being oppressed by this fucking governor in fucking Wisconsin.
And now they're going to fucking put their policies in place and convince people that they're being oppressed when they're really fucking not.
Yeah, no, fuck asshole.
It pisses me off as on.
It's just giving them ammo.
You know, it's just stop fucking helping them for the love of God.
Yeah.
Hang on.
We want a mother die.
Speaking of the money.
I don't mean to curse in front of your child, Tarka.
I'm sorry.
I'm 133% of the American public in favor of a life exception.
Are you two out of the mainstream on this issue to win the general election?
Well, I'm pro-life.
I've always been pro-life.
And I've got a position I think is consistent with many Americans out there in that I believe that that is an unborn child that's in need of protection out there.
And I've said many a time that that unborn child can be protected, and there are many other alternatives that will also protect the life of that mother.
That's been consistently proven.
Unlike Hillary Clinton, who has a radical position in terms of support.
He wants to abort every child.
What are you going to fucking say?
Damn it.
Now I can see the case for abortion.
For Planned Parenthood, I defunded Planned Parenthood more than four years ago, long before any of these videos came out.
I've got a position that's in line with everyday America.
Governor Huckabee, like Governor Walker, you have staked out strong positions on social issues.
You favor a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages.
You favor a constitutional amendment banning abortions except for the life of the mother.
Millions of people in this country agree with you, but according to the polls, and again, this is an electability question, according to the polls, more people don't.
So, how do you persuade enough independents and Democrats to get elected in 2016?
Chris, I disagree with the idea that the real issue is a constitutional amendment.
That's a long and difficult process.
I've actually taken a position that's bolder than that.
A lot of people are talking about defunding Planned Parenthood as if that's a huge game changer.
I think it's time to do something even more bold.
I think the next president ought to invoke the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the Constitution.
Now that we clearly know that that baby inside the mother's womb is a person at the moment of conception.
The reason we know that it is is because of the DNA schedule that we now have clear scientific evidence on.
And this notion that we just continue to ignore the person.
Okay, what exactly does he know?
How does he know any of this?
This doesn't sound all too consistent to be honest.
Yeah, I'm going to need to see some sources on that bitch.
Yeah, kind of, yeah, a citation would be helpful.
I mean, also, oh, go ahead, sorry.
Sorry.
No, no, go ahead, man.
Fucking Gigi Revolt here.
Okay, you know what?
Here's something for you to think on, Gigi Revolt, because I'm talking to them now.
And it's, okay.
So even if, let's say there's 100% proof that children in the uterus are alive and that they're conscious, even if they're conscious, even though obviously they're not.
Okay, let's say it is.
Why does it fucking matter?
Because they haven't contributed anything to society up until this point, so why should it matter?
I mean, really?
Think on that, Gigi Revolt.
Okay.
Are you saying that a person's value is dependent on their consciousness?
It's iron-clad logic right here, bro.
Yeah, that's.
You're one of those right-wingers I've heard so much about, aren't you?
No, no, I'm a moderate.
I'm a centrist.
Okay, sorry.
I just wanted to get that out there because they're really saying that I'm wrong here.
I wanted to address them real quick.
Just piss them off.
I see.
It's a violation of that unborn child's Fifth and 14th Amendment rights for due process and equal protection under the law.
It's time that we recognize the Supreme Court is not the Supreme Being, and we change the policy to be pro-life and protect children instead of rip up their body parts and sell them like they're parts to a Buick.
That's right.
That's right.
Supreme Court doesn't actually look at the law, doesn't understand the Constitution.
Fuck the Supreme Court.
They're not the Supreme Being.
That's right.
They ain't the Supreme Being.
They don't know shit about the Constitution.
They don't interpret it.
They don't know nothing.
What's this thing about Planned Parenthood like chopping up kids and selling their parts?
I've heard feminists saying that, and as soon as they say it, I think, well, that's probably not true.
But, you know, like he's saying it, and so what's going on?
What's the deal with that?
As far as I understand it, Planned Parenthood takes aborted fetuses and then distributes that whatever Pizardish shit to research firms for stem cell research.
That's my basic understanding of it.
Well, I mean, obviously, this is done for profit, but no, it's not.
No?
No, it's not done for profit.
Okay.
That's their entire objection.
I'm sure the objection was that there was a recording of people, like two fake people trying to represent a research firm and then someone that represented Planned Parenthood, and they were debating the transportation costs for the, you know, basically the research material, which would be the abort fetuses.
And it got perceived and chopped up and assumed that it was basically like, oh, here's a dead baby, and we're going to sell it to you for whatever.
Like, that was the other thing.
It's, you know, worst case scenario, they're selling this to research firms.
Right.
Okay.
I mean, stem cells are incredibly useful.
So, you know, it's going to be the sort of, you know, they're going to solve a lot of problems.
What the f- I suppose these guys, religious nuts, why would they care?
It's a proxy.
It's using a proxy means to attack abortion.
Okay.
Senator Paul, you recently blamed the rise of ISIS on Republican hawks.
Now, you later said that that statement, you could have said it better.
But the statement went on, and you said, quote, everything they've talked about in foreign policy, they've been wrong for the last 20 years.
Why are you so quick to blame your own party?
First of all, only ISIS is responsible for the terrorism.
Only ISIS is responsible for the depravity.
But we do have to examine how are we going to defeat ISIS?
I've got a proposal.
I'm the leading voice in America for not arming the allies of ISIS.
I've been fighting amidst a lot of opposition from both Hillary Clinton as well as some Republicans who wanted to send arms to the allies of ISIS.
ISIS rides around in a billion dollars worth of U.S. Humvees.
It's a disgrace.
We ought to stop it.
We shouldn't fund our enemies, for goodness sakes.
So I love that this has to be said.
I mean, but he's got a point.
He's absolutely right.
Yeah, no, no, of course he's got a point.
But this is what pissed me off.
ISIS is like 30,000 fighters.
I mean, the United States could take them out in a weekend.
You know, they don't take them out because they don't want to take them out.
You know, whoever's running the show, it's East Asia, for fuck's sake.
You know, it's inconvenient boogeyman, man.
I don't know if that might be a bit more complicated than that.
Yeah.
Man, obviously, it's more complicated than that.
I'm simplifying it greatly.
But the thing is, it's not something that couldn't be stopped.
You know, people are talking about fucking ISIS.
Like, it's some sort of force of nature that nobody can do anything about.
And that really pisses me off, man.
Well, the issue is we don't have ground forces.
So we can only go through aerial combat, whatever, you know, how much efficacy there is with that.
That's as much as we get.
Of course.
And we can't trust the Iraqi military to fight for us.
So all we have is the only trustworthy force are the Israelis and the Kurds.
That's about it.
Yeah, but what's stopping the Americans from putting boots on the ground in Iraq?
Political pressure.
there's no way that would be the most that would be fucking political suicide absolutely Absolutely.
Even if it's the right thing to do, we still can't do it.
It would be the right thing to do, given that it's American action that led to this situation in the fucking first place.
So, yeah, you know, I personally clean up your fucking mess.
But, again, what we're seeing basically is a result of the quite old, I think, containment policy, which was basically the idea that if we want to stop the Soviet Union, what we've got to do is contain it.
So, you know, proxy wars, arming various rebels, and so on and so forth.
And suddenly you've got some really extremely well-armed and extremely well-organized terrorist groups all around the world.
And I think that even more military intervention simply wouldn't work, to be honest.
Because think about it this way.
Let's say it's 30,000 ISIS fighters at the moment, okay?
America really puts the boot down, really cracks down full-on war, full-on invasion, and kills like 20,000 of those.
People kind of tend to forget that those were brothers, fathers, sons to someone else.
And this in turn would lead to even more people joining ISIS and other organizations like that.
So I don't think that even more military intervention would actually work.
No, I know.
You're right.
I know.
I'm just being facetious.
I don't know, I'm just, I'm a bit drunk to be honest.
I shouldn't be.
Actually, I thought you weren't drinking.
I wasn't.
I just questioned whether, you know, if we go in and we were to essentially take out ISIS, which is, you know, Sunni radicals, there is a chance that some other Sunni force can spring up, or you'd have a Shia force spring up.
You know, I just don't think there's anything really that we can to do to sort of put a cork in the Middle East and sort of stop the conflict.
Other than what he's saying is take out the guns.
Yeah, stop arming the people.
Yeah, that's definitely the first start.
I mean, Syria is a Russian ally, isn't it?
And Iran's a Russian ally.
So it's not like the Americans are really going to start giving them resources.
Am I correct or what?
Yeah.
Well, I mean, we're, you know, with the Iran deal, I think that for the first time in a long time, we actually are starting to open some limited diplomatic channels with Iran.
So that's some headway.
But, you know, so long as we're basically fucking a proxy army for fucking Saudi Arabia, you know, there's not a whole lot that, you know, there's most of the fucking nations there are not going to really like us outside of they depend on us for resources or like Pakistan, we help, you know, sustain their fucking regime.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
So do you do you think that ISIS is responsible for the American, this sort of Obama administration diplomatic, I don't know, what would you describe it, the diplomatic interaction with Iran?
What do you think is an influence?
I think that it plays something into it, but I think that dealing with Iran has been a long-term thing.
I think that even during the Bush administration, as crazy as it was, there were different diplomatic outreaches towards Iran in different ways when they weren't screaming at one another.
But under the Obama administration, because of how deteriorated the situation has become in the Middle East, that I think, you know, now that the continued uprisings, you know, after Arab Spring and all the Sunni shit that's gone on, we've started to realize, okay, maybe we should reach out to all these different sources.
One example is Iran, which is not at all like a good nation, but it is essentially a Shia stronghold that we can approach and maybe potentially do something with.
Maybe they'd be more rational than the fucking Saudis in some ways.
I don't even know if that's.
I mean, the Saudi Arabia.
Every penny we dump into that fucking place, this region of the world, every penny we put into it, especially when it comes to Saudi Arabia, when it comes to oil, it's just more money to fund fucking terrorism.
It is not fucking helping the situation.
I think you could sort of stabilize the situation if you basically went in, like Military intervention boots on the ground, and you stabilized Iraq to some degree, but more importantly, stabilized Kurdistan as a major counterweight in the region.
In Iraq and Syria, not in Iran.
You would simply have to strike a deal between Turk force Turkey to come to the table, force the Kurds in Iraq and Syria to come to the table, and agree not to annex Turkish Kurdistan.
That's basically how Turkey would actually allow something like that.
I don't know if Turkey would allow it.
We would force it on them.
Yeah, I think the Americans would have force it on them as well.
But I mean, how would you stabilize Iraq?
I mean, the Iraqi army is useless.
That's where ISIS are getting most of their fucking equipment.
You would have to contain ISIS to Syria.
You'd have to contain ISIS to Syria and Lebanon.
I don't know.
And then Israel could take care of that side.
The Kurds could take care of it from there.
Maybe it's established a United Nations barrier between Iraq and Syria.
I think we're approaching this from a really wrong angle.
You can't fight ISIS in a symmetrical war.
It doesn't work.
It simply is bullshit.
As we've seen repeatedly, those guys can strike almost wherever they want, whenever they want.
And what containment policy?
So let's say you stabilize Kurdistan, you stabilize Iraq.
For some reason, you get even Iran on board.
What then?
It's like Syria.
Do you really think that Iraq around Kurdistan is able to patrol the entirety of its borders all day, every day?
Well, yes, and if we have drones and airstrikes, we can definitely keep them at bay.
It can't work.
It simply is too big of an area.
And even if it worked, let's assume, just for the sake of argument, that it worked, that you really were able to contain ISIS somewhere around that place.
That doesn't change the fact that you've still got a lot of people from Europe, from the USA, from Canada joining ISIS.
And now they wouldn't be able to actually reach ISIS, so you would have a bunch of well-timed bombs.
I don't think containing ISIS is a viable option.
I think my concern would be actually just destroying the hardware that they have.
You know, it's one thing to have a terrorist with an AK on a Tunisian beach, but it's another when they've got fucking Humvees and anti-tank fucking weapons and they're taking cities.
You know, that's what I would like to see done.
I mean, the terrorism is inevitable, but I'll play the video.
Sorry.
We didn't create ISIS.
ISICs created themselves, but we will stop them.
And one of the ways we stop them is by not funding them and by not arming them.
That's definitely a useless strategy.
You chose to expand Medicaid in your state, unlike several other governors on this stage tonight, and it is already over budget, by some estimates, costing taxpayers an additional $1.4 billion in just the first 18 months.
You've defended your Medicaid expansion by invoking God, saying to skeptics that when they arrive in heaven, St. Peter isn't going to ask them how small they've kept government about what they have done for the poor.
why should republican voters who generally want to shrink government believe that you won't use your saint peter rationale to expand every government program well first of all first of all mega 21st century The Sun Jackson toast.
21st century, the Sun Jackson on stage talking about God.
Brilliant.
I'm not going to begrudge him.
I mean, if he wants to expand Medicaid or whatever it was, I think it was Medicaid, you know.
I would support that.
Enlightenment on Medicaid.
But why is he talking about God?
Why does that happen up?
Why is that?
Whatever sells it, whatever fucking sells it.
Silly.
Secondly, I had an opportunity to bring resources back to Ohio to do what?
To treat the mentally ill.
10,000 of them sit in our prisons.
It costs $22,500 a year to keep them in prison.
I'd rather get them their medication so they could lead a decent life.
Secondly, we are rehabbing the drug-addicted.
80% of the people in our prisons have addiction problems.
We now treat them in the prisons, release them in the community, and the recidivism rate is 10%.
And everybody across this country knows that the tsunami of drugs is threatening their very families.
So we're treating them and getting them on their feet.
And finally, the working poor, instead of them having to come into the emergency rooms where it costs more, where they're sicker, and we end up paying, we brought a program in here to make sure that people could get on their feet.
And you know what?
Everybody has a right to their God-given purpose.
And finally, our Medicaid is growing at one of the lowest rates in the country.
And finally, we went from $8 billion in the whole to $2 billion in the black.
We've cut $5 billion in taxes and we've grown 350,000 jobs.
They like it.
Yeah, Medicaid.
Woo!
This is really weird because, you know, the left's always like, oh, Republicans hate the poor.
Well, this is a guy who, if this is true, yep, absolutely.
There's a few points in this debate that make Ohio and Republicans look very good.
Yeah, I'm actually quite impressed about the whole rehabilitation thing.
So why are the Liberals backing Christie instead of backing him?
That's the thing.
I don't know.
I don't know how many Liberals back Christie, other than like New York, like, but you got to understand, like, the New York Democrats that actually like Chris Christie, I mean, they're about as entrenched in Wall Street politics and corporate as shit that you can get.
It's big money that's backing Christie.
It's not like, you know, your everyday fucking Democrat.
That doesn't explain why people are responding to him.
I mean, why would anyone care about Chris Christie?
You know, actually, if you look at the numbers for, especially in the U.S., it basically goes like this.
Whoever raises the most money wins.
And I know that's a really broad statement, but I actually got a few papers on this.
I would have to look them up.
The thing is, if you are able to raise more money and the sums have been increasing tremendously over the past, let's say, 40 to 30 years, like tremendously increasing, you are much more likely to get advertisement out, to get speeches out, to get just public work out.
And this is, at least in my opinion, what is actually crucial.
The content of politics isn't really all that important to most people.
Most people just vote whoever just looks awesome or behaves awesome, like Donald Trump or something like that.
And if you're able to really get into the public perception, really push yourself out there, really start this propaganda campaign, it's easy to win.
Yeah, I've heard that basically the candidates with the most money behind them are the ones that win.
I don't know how accurate that is.
It's also name recognition.
I think it's more name recognition than the advertising that gets paid for becomes name recognition.
I was just going to say that's probably why they know Chris Christie more than they know the governor of Ohio.
I was just going to say that.
Okay.
Gentlemen, we're turning to a new subject that all of you have been talking about and some of you have been disagreeing about, and that is the issue of immigration.
Governor Bush, you released a new plan this week on illegal immigration focusing on enforcement, which some suggest is your effort to show that you're not soft on that issue.
I want to ask you about a statement that you made last year about illegal immigrants.
And here's what you said.
They broke the law, but it's not a felony.
It's an act of love.
It's an act of commitment to your family.
Do you stand by that statement, and do you stand by your support for earned legal status?
I do.
I believe that the great majority of people coming here illegally have no other option.
They want to provide for their family.
But we need to control our border.
It's our responsibility to pick and choose who comes in.
So I've written a book about this, and this week I did come up with a comprehensive strategy that really mirrored what we said in the book, which is that we need to deal with e-verify.
We need to deal with people that come with a legal visa and overstay.
We need to be much more strategic on how we deal with border enforcement, border security.
We need to eliminate the sanctuary cities in this country.
It is ridiculous and tragic that people are dying because of the fact that local governments are not following the federal law.
There's much to do.
And I think rather than talking about this as a wedge issue, which Barack Obama's done now for six long years, the next president, and I hope to be that president, will fix this once and for all so that we can turn this into a driver for high sustained economic growth.
And there should be a path to earned legal status for those that are here.
Not amnesty.
Earned legal status, which means you pay a fine and do many things over an extended period of time.
You guys want to talk about this?
Do you agree?
Yeah, yeah.
This is an interesting thing.
Because if you look at what's being said, well, sort of on the far left, they're the ones in universities banning the phrase illegal immigrant and illegal, you know, that sort of thing.
You're not supposed to say that.
Illegal alien, that's the word.
Illegal alien, yeah, that's a bad phrase now.
And so, you know, it must be very difficult to sort of walk the line where, I mean, obviously he's got to sort of pander to a base that is very concerned about immigration, legal immigration.
But then you've also got like a large section of swing voters, haven't you?
Yeah.
So, you know, I mean, I guess where are they going to go on the issue?
I think it depends on the state, ultimately.
Yeah.
It depends on the person.
Well, of course it does.
But like, you know, there may well be a trend that you guys might have been aware of that I'm not aware of.
It's really divided on immigration.
I mean, the country's very divided.
So.
I mean, do you not think that to the sort of like the large block of swing voters, like the radical left saying there's no such thing as an illegal alien, do you not think that that might push people towards the Republicans?
Well, it depends on who's saying that.
Like if it's some random asshole on a college campus, I don't think anyone's really going to think much of it because the only other people they're seeing that are probably liberals on campus or conservatives that may feel one way or the other from it.
Yeah, the Democratic politicians, they're not going to pander to the SJWs.
They're going to use diagnostic language like, oh, well, they're people too.
Let's try and do what we can.
They're going to use language like that.
They're not going to go full SJW.
No, no, I know.
I know.
I didn't think for a second they were going to go full SJW.
Should I carry on?
Sure.
Sure.
Thank you, sir.
Mr. Trump, it has not escaped anybody's notice that you say that the Mexican government, the Mexican government, is sending criminals, rapists, drug dealers, across the border.
Governor Bush has called those remarks, quote, extraordinarily ugly.
I'd like you, you're right next to him, tell us, talk to him directly and say how you respond to that.
And you have repeatedly said that you have evidence that the Mexican government is doing this, but that you have evidence you have refused or declined to share.
Why not use this first Republican presidential debate to share your proof with the American people?
If it weren't for me, you wouldn't even be talking about illegal immigration, Chris.
You wouldn't even be talking about it.
So, you've got to understand that I'm not like any kind of expert on the internal workings of American politics.
How accurate is what he's just said?
This is moronic.
This is a major issue.
It would have come up regardless of his presence.
But, like, yeah, but does Donald Trump think that he has evidence that the Mexican government's doing this on purpose?
I mean, I don't know that they're not like, but I mean.
He has to prove it.
Well, yeah, I mean, I suppose, but like, is this some sort of common meme or something over there?
I'm not other than him.
No, I haven't heard of it.
I've never heard anyone say that other than him.
Okay, that's great.
That's basically what I wanted to know.
I would like to hear what he had to say on the drug war, though.
In mind of that idea of Mexico sending people maliciously across the border, I'd like to hear his opinion on the drug war.
Well, technically, I guess, you know, the cartels do have a lot of influence in the government, so I'm sure there are some government politicians in Mexico who are encouraging the drug trade to the U.S.
So he might not be entirely wrong.
I've heard didn't the CIA traffic guns and stuff across into Mexico that found their way back into America.
It wasn't the CIA.
It was, what was it, the FBI?
No, no.
ATF, right?
I think it was the ATF.
I thought it was the CIA, but there was an agency that did that, and they tracked them back into the United States, didn't they?
Yeah.
And they actually killed an American citizen.
It was a huge deal a couple years ago.
American citizen was killed by a gun sold by the U.S. government.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, you know, I think that there's probably a lot going on there that doesn't really hit the news, you know?
Yeah.
And involvement of the people.
They keep killing reporters.
That's one of the big deals in Mexico now is they keep killing journalists.
Right, okay.
They find their torsos on the highway and shit.
Fucking hell.
Jack, that was on anybody's mind until I brought it up at my announcement, and I said Mexico is sending.
Except the reporters, because they're a very dishonest lot, generally speaking, in the world of politics, they didn't cover my well, we know that reporters on the political journalism statement the way I said it.
The fact is, since then, many killings, murders, crime, drugs pouring across the border, our money going out and the drugs coming in.
And I said, we need to build a wall.
And it has to be done quickly.
Okay, let's think about that.
Do you guys think we should build a wall?
It's a good way to reduce the debt.
That's all I know.
You shouldn't let Trump build a wall.
I think you should let him do it.
Just go fucking must.
You buy all the land?
Buy all the equipment?
Hire the workers?
Yeah, yeah, Trump can pay for it.
You know, let him do it.
Fucking.
Yeah.
And I don't mind having a big, beautiful door in that wall so that people can come into this country legally.
But we need, Jeb, to build a wall.
We need to keep illegals out.
Well, I mean, that's pretty clear.
A giant door with Trump's face on it.
I'm actually okay with this policy.
Put his name on it.
Big bright light.
Yeah, the Great Wall of Trump, isn't it?
That'd be amazing.
Paul, are you there?
Hello?
Yeah, yeah.
Hey, how's it going?
Can you see the screen share and hear stuff?
Yes, I can.
What part are you guys at?
Oh, you guys are only 25 minutes in.
This is great.
Listening to Donald Trump building the Great Wall of fucking China across Texas.
Hey, you know what?
It worked for China.
It really did.
Yeah, I mean, are the Mongols more cunning than the Mexicans, or the Mexicans more cunning than the Mongols?
Mexican, Mongol, M and M. You know, I'm not saying that there is a big conspiracy where the Mexicans actually are the Mongols, but there is actually a big conspiracy.
But have you ever seen the Mexicans and Mongols in the same time?
You got to understand in America, we have what these things call are sanctuary cities.
These people come in, and a lot of them most of the time are not just illegal, but they're gangbangers, their cartel.
Majority of them are cartel.
There was a big incident that happened not too long ago, if you don't recall, if you know anything about American politics, where we had the militia in Texas on the lines because there was about 15, I think, I don't know, I don't want to be inflated.
I'm not entirely sure, but I know it was around a million.
It was a lot.
And then when they went to interview them, about 78% of them were actual gangbangers and they were under the age of 18.
And they were sitting in these sanctuary cities and they were doing, still conducting drug businesses, drug trade, drug trafficking, things like that.
And the feds couldn't even touch them.
There was nothing they could do.
And it was a huge fucking thing.
And Arizona and Texas suffer the most.
Most of the border cities suffer the most from this.
And they see most of the time all the crime and the rates that go on to it.
And there's nothing that the judicial system or the counties can do anything about it.
So when the Sheriff's Department tries to get involved and it's an illegal immigrant, which 90% of the time it will be if it's burglary or anything like that, they can't touch it.
They have to pass it on to the feds and to the border patrol to their job is to go out and find these people and catch them and bring them back, which they usually never can ever find them.
You know, it's hard to find Hispanics besides the ones that are actually trying to work, which are the ones that are at your home depots and stuff like that.
I don't want to be stereotyped, but selling the fruits on the side of the roads and stuff like that.
I mean, it's very common.
Even in Florida, we have Cubans that do it all the time.
All the time.
And it's very well known.
We have five sanctuary cities in Florida here, and it is very bad, to say the least.
I guess it's one of those things that you can take the piss, but there must be some kind of issue for this to be being discussed.
It's been a really long bad issue for a long time.
The problem was because Democrats like immigrants, there's something that they use, which is called vote buying.
And what they do is that they found out that $15.1 billion a year annually, between $13 billion and $15 billion annually, come get sent back to families in other countries, mostly South American countries.
And that's the amount that was being generated by legal immigrants in the United States.
That's just legal.
And they added an extra $2 billion on there just for illegal immigrants.
Now, what they came to find out was that with Democrats, is that Democrats were always for open borders and all that kind of stuff.
Well, obviously, the families who have a lot of illegal families that they want to bring back over here so they don't have to keep sending money back, they're like, well, yeah, you know, I'll vote for them.
They're going to open the borders and let my family in legally, and then it won't be so hard for them to come into it because it is very hard to get legal citizenship here in the United States, especially for voting rights and things like that.
I worked with somebody who came from Russia who is here for 12 years, and she finally just took her test and became a citizen.
So it takes a long time before you can be a citizen, let alone get involved with a lot of things that are going on with that in the United States.
It's a really shitty process and the way you have to go about it and the visas and all the stuff you have to do in the process of getting that.
So when the Democrats knew this and they used a lot of the times they use the immigrants to, or I wouldn't say use them, but would influence immigrants by saying, we're going to open the borders, we're going to do things like that.
We want all this stuff for you guys.
And we're totally for immigrants.
And people started calling it economists and politicians started calling it vote buying because it basically secured the votes for the legal immigrants.
And then the next thing they tried to push forward was for illegal immigrants to have the right to vote, which became a huge issue.
Okay, this is all sounding remarkably sensible, Paul.
We need a quick answer.
Are you for the Great Wall of Trump or not?
Yes.
Yes, I am.
Red Pull us on the Holocaust, Paul.
Shut up, Kevin.
Red plus and Montadanches.
Hey, the wall works for Israel, right?
Yeah, it does, actually.
It actually does.
Very well.
So do the ghettos and everything else that they have there that they constantly cause problems with constantly.
So.
Mr. Trump, I'll give you 30 seconds.
I'll give you 30 seconds to answer my question, which was, what evidence do you have, specific evidence, that the Mexican government is sending threats across the border?
30 seconds.
Border Patrol, I was at the border last week.
I can barely hear it.
Can you guys hear it?
Yeah, I sent you a link.
If you want to, you can listen in.
This fucking guy.
See, that question is as if he was sitting there with statistical papers, ready to present his thing to a think tank.
I don't really understand how he can say that with a straightforward.
Hang on a second.
Tell me how the volume is now.
People that I deal with, that I talk to, they say this is what's happening because our leaders are stupid.
There it is.
Our politicians are stupid.
And the Mexican government is much smarter, much sharper, much more cunning.
And they send the bad ones over because they don't want to pay for them.
They don't want to take care of them.
Why should they when the stupid leaders of the United States will do it for them?
Oh, Jesus Christ, that's the worst reasoning ever.
I don't even really know that much about the fucking situation, but I know the Mexican government is desperately weak.
You know, I don't think that they, for a fucking second, have control over these people.
Yes and no.
I think that when he's talking about this, he is right and he's wrong at the same time.
A lot of the time, the Mexican government is sending a lot of things, a lot of people across the border, and because of the better, because just to get rid of them, they don't want to deal with them.
Their jails are full as it is, and most of the time their jails are taken over by the cartels.
I mean, half in the north is a militia.
There's like 3,000 militia that check their own borders, and they don't even trust the police itself.
It's a fucking wreck.
But when it comes to trade and the money incidents, he's absolutely on the money.
There's a lot of stuff when it comes to money and trade that comes through Mexico that it's just too cheap not to do it there.
Same with China.
That's why he always brings up China and Mexico.
That's what it's too cheap to make shit there.
Okay, but none of this is proof, though, is it?
I mean.
No, I mean, no, it's not.
It's not.
That's what he was asking for, exact proof.
He really doesn't have any right now.
Oh, obviously, he doesn't have a piece of paper in his fucking pocket.
That's what I meant.
And it's like the guy, when we asked it, it was like, give me, like, as if he was presenting a statistical fact to a think tank.
It's like he can't just pull shit right out of his ass if you really want him to, give you a specific answer for that.
I mean, I'm sure he probably could sit down and find examples.
He did it when he did his stand-up thing in Arizona when he brought on those family members that were all gunned down by illegal immigrants, and they had those papers.
And we went to the border in Arizona, and they had those papers.
That's what the Mexican government is telling them what to do when they get to the United States.
Yeah, Gigi Revolt says they might have proof.
So if they ever get around to red pilling me and posting it, I'll share it with you guys.
Well, there's something out there.
I don't know if someone can find it.
There's articles about it, but the Border Patrol was showing people these papers that they were getting from these illegal immigrants, and it was from the Mexican government telling them what to do when they get to the States.
Like, it was very interesting, to say at least.
I'll try to find it.
That's interesting.
Okay, so when we say sending them, what we mean is giving them advice.
I guess so, in a form of, like, what you're going to do when you get to the border.
Pamphlets and information, right?
Okay.
Because this is the thing.
makes it sound like it's compelling them um and i you know i don't think i mean i i don't know but i from what i know i wouldn't have thought that would have been the case What's the semics, though, really?
Well, maybe.
Yeah, here we go.
It's brochures.
Here we go.
It's hands-out brochures showing migrants how to avoid border patrol when they get to the border.
They hand-out brochures showing individuals that they can avoid our border patrol.
How can they get into the country and where to go, who to talk to?
Yeah.
Yeah, there we go.
This was back in 2010.
There's another one in 2005 with pictures of the pamphlet.
So, I mean, I guess it's been going on a lot longer than I thought.
Last year, more than 300 died at the border.
Guide for the Mexican immigrant is what it's called.
Gives pointers on navigating the deserts and swimming rivers safely to cross the border.
Crossing rivers can be very dangerous, and particularly if you're alone or do it at night, it says an English translation of the wording next to an illustration of three young men sitting out on the riverbank.
If you wear heavy clothes, you become heavier when wet.
It'll make it more difficult for you to swim to cross the border.
Yeah, so I guess they do.
Can you tweet that to me so I can retweet it?
Yeah, there's about, I mean, I like typing Mexican government pamphlets at the border, and it gave me tons of results.
Tweet me an example so I can.
Oh, here we go.
Fox News from 2005.
Mexican state.
Issues on how to on jumping border or border jumping.
So even Fox News even touched on this.
A new 87-page handbook that tells people how to get across the U.S. border illegally.
The guy which has accompanied a DVD contains a section on how to apply for a lawful visa, but the remaining 50-plus pages are filled with instructions on how to safely sneak into the United States.
Okay, but the thing is, if that's the case, why is the Fox News guy asking him for the proof?
Because this is what I'm talking about.
The entire time this whole thing happens, everyone else got asked what they would be doing as a president.
But when it came to him, it was personal attacks.
First, it was the sexist remarks about Rosie O'Donnell.
And then it was like, do you have specific proof?
I need you to fucking pull out your cell phone right now and Google me some shit so I believe you on the stand.
I mean, they were trying to burn the guy where he stood.
And I understand why.
I mean, he literally shit on the media, Sargon.
Imagine if you like shit on your boss and then your boss got the opportunity to shit back on you.
I mean, this was the best time to do it.
They fucking hate the guy.
Okay.
Yeah, I'll tweet that thing out while it's playing.
This is one.
This is one from Fox News back in 2005.
Okay.
Okay.
There's tons of them, dude.
You just Google Mexican government pamphlets at the border.
Like it or not.
All right.
Obviously, there's a lot more to talk about this.
We're going to have more questions for the candidates on illegal immigration, plus other key topics, including your questions on Facebook.
What would be your plan on making immigration easier for those that want to do it legally?
What specific steps would you take to contain the growth of ISIS?
I'd like to know what the candidates are going to do so that I feel safe in my own country again.
You feel safe in your country.
I do.
I got my tongue as this.
Don't worry.
It's just cutting to that.
There would be a billion Facebook and then it'll go back.
So let's continue the conversation.
Governor Kasich, I know you don't like to talk about Donald Trump, but I do want to ask you about the merit of what he just said.
When you'd say that the American government is stupid, that the Mexican government is sending criminals, that we're being bamboozled, is that an adequate response to the question of illegal immigration?
Chris, first of all, I was just saying to Chris Christie, they say we're outspoken.
We need to take lessons from Donald Trump if we're really going to learn it.
Here's the thing about Donald Trump.
This is the part where he was trying to buy information.
Donald Trump's hitting a nerve in this country.
He is.
He's hitting a nerve.
People are frustrated.
They're fed up.
They don't think the government is working for them.
Look at Ghost Face.
Do you think Trump knows why he's hitting a nerve?
Oh, yeah, he knows.
He basically, like we said it last night in my stream when he said that, everybody was just like, just let me be your VP.
How do you want your hair cut?
Give me that VP.
It was just, it was great.
And for people to tune them out, they're making a mistake.
Now, he's got his solutions.
Some of us have other solutions.
You know, look, I balanced the federal budget as one of the chief architects when I was in Washington.
Hadn't been done since.
I was a military reformer.
I took the state of Ohio from an $8 billion hole and a $350,000 job loss to a $2 billion surplus and a gain of 350,000 jobs.
Respectfully, can we talk about a labor?
But the point is, is that we all have solutions.
Mr. Trump is touching a nerve because people want the wall to be built.
They want to see an end to illegal immigration.
They want to see it, and we all do.
But we all have different ways of getting there.
And you're going to hear from all of us tonight about what our ideas are.
All right.
Well, Senator Rubia, let me see if I can do better with you.
Is it as simple as our leaders are stupid, their leaders are smart, and all of these illegals coming over are criminals?
Well, let me set the record straight on a couple of things.
The first is the evidence is now clear that the majority of people coming across the border are not from Mexico.
They're coming from Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras.
Those countries are the fucking correct.
You should see Puerto Rico.
They're dumping to get into Miami.
I mean, Cubans have been, now the Cuban border is open, they're dumping into Key West, Miami, Naples.
I mean, it's all over the place now.
Sorts of the people that are now coming in its majority.
I also believe we need a fence.
The problem is if El Chapo builds a tunnel under the fence, we have to be able to deal with that too.
And that's why you need an e-verify system and you need an entry-exit tracking system and all sorts of other things to prevent illegal immigration.
But I agree with what Governor Kasich just said.
People are frustrated.
This is the most generous country in the world when it comes to immigration.
There are a million people a year who legally immigrate to the U.S. Did they just say that America is actually the most generous country when it comes to immigration?
Yeah, when he said that, when he said that, last night I was like, no, Sweden, yes.
Like, have you forgotten Sweden?
Well, have you not noticed we're having a discussion about whether you're going to build a giant fucking wall to keep out the Mexicans?
It's a little bit just empty rhetoric.
I mean, yeah.
Well, no, it's not even about that, though, Sargon.
The way that it's portrayed, it's like that.
But I mean, even Trump says, I don't know if he got to the part where he says, I want a big fucking nice door in the front of it so they can all come in legally.
Yeah, I know, I know.
It's just funny, man.
Yeah, I know, I know, the banter.
Yeah, just the United States.
I think Rand Paul is the best one in all of this because he gets so autistic about everything.
He gets spazzing out of control.
People feel like we're being taken advantage of.
We feel like despite our generosity, we are being taken advantage of.
And let me tell you who never gets talked about in these debates.
The people that call my office who have been waiting for 15 years to come to the United States and they paid their fees and they hired a lawyer and they can't get in.
And they're wondering, maybe they should come illegally.
And so these are important issues and we should address it.
It's a serious problem that needs to be addressed.
And otherwise, we're going to keep talking about this for the next 30 years like we have for the last 30 years.
Governor Walker, Governor Walker, from 2002 till as recently as 2013, just two years ago, you supported comprehensive immigration reform, including a path to citizenship.
Now you say that was a quick reaction to something you hadn't really thought about and that you've changed your mind.
Other than politics, could you explain why in the last two years you've changed your position on a path to citizenship and are there other past positions that we shouldn't hold you to?
Yeah, well, Chris, I actually said it on your show earlier this year.
I guess I said I acknowledge that.
I said I actually listened to the American people and I think people across America want a leader who's actually going to listen to them.
I talked to border state governors and other elected officials.
I looked at how this president, particularly through last November, messed up the immigration system in this country.
Most importantly, I listened to the people of America.
I believe we need to secure the border.
I've been to the border with Governor Abbott and Texas and others, seeing the problems that they have there.
There's international criminal organizations penetrating our southern-based borders, and we need to do something about it.
Secure the border, enforce the law, no amnesty, and go forward with a legal immigration system that gives priority to American working families and wages.
Fucks like, hang on, so the amnesty thing is that a bit of a trigger issue.
The what?
I take it.
Is the left pushing for amnesty?
They are.
The left has always pushed for open borders, Sargon.
They've done it for a very, very long time because it guarantees them votes.
They do it to buy votes.
It's almost like.
The thing is, I can tell you what happens with that.
You end up with a massive backlash.
That's exactly what the Labour Party did from 97 onwards in the UK with Muslim immigration.
It was massive.
And now the UK is almost all conservative.
It's, you know, we have a conservative government that didn't even need, they got an easy majority.
Right.
So there'll be a backlash from it.
There's a backlash happening now.
And this, a couple times, and I said this a while ago, and this couple times, they mentioned the Reagan administration a lot.
And I found it ironic that they did because I said, you know, Donald Trump, the way he's running, mean president, mean candidate or not, whatever you think of him, he is your potential for the next Reagan just because of how many people are liking him so much, because there's just a backlash of people tired of the border bullshit and everything like that.
As soon as he touched onto it, everybody just immediately just snapped into place.
I mean, everybody, for the most part, even there's even Hispanics here that get along with it just fine.
They don't see a problem with it being legal.
And there's a lot of people that hate the political correct over here now.
That's been, that's like the next big thing.
And there's a lot of people that hate how the media portrays itself.
It's like those are the three things that people were just tired of here, I think, the most.
Yeah, they're gamergaters.
No, I mean, aside the Gamergates have a point, but I mean, in the United States itself, I think the majority of people can get behind that.
I think a lot of people back Bernie because a lot of things he says makes a lot of sense.
But at the same time, it's kind of like that pipe dream bullshit that you hear every time.
I don't know why people back him.
Building a wall on the fucking borders, not a pipe dream bullshit.
I think Donald Trump should make that happen.
You laugh about that, but Hungary's doing it in one month.
So, I mean, you could sit there and laugh about it, but they're building a wall in one month.
Saudi Arabia recently did as well, actually.
And so did Israel.
So, I mean, and so did China.
I mean, it works all the time.
It's not a pipe dream.
I'll tell you what, maybe we can stop, let's stop the drug war, which is fueling most of the immigration, especially from Central America.
And then we'll use those tens of billions of dollars that are flushed down the fucking toilet to build the wall.
We're not going to build it.
I mean, if Trump gets in, we're not going to build it.
He's just going to set up sanctions on Mexico until they build it themselves.
I mean, it won't be that hard.
It's true.
He's going to do the same thing to China just because they devalue their currency.
I mean, it's not something that it can't be impossible to do.
It'd be very easily able to be done because Mexico will need us just as much as we need them.
I mean, the most that we do for Mexico is either give them drugs or dump a bunch of fucking agriculture in their thing that causes people who are farmers to quit their jobs and get into drugs.
So that's like the mess.
How about we just replace the entirety of every nation's industry with drugs?
No.
You know what?
We already do that.
It's called the pharmaceutical companies.
No, fuck off.
The people like it.
Some 1,400 people submitted questions on this very hot topic of illegal immigration on Facebook, and a number of them were about the murder of Kate Steinley in San Francisco, allegedly shot down by an illegal.
Doug Bettencourt sent this question: Will you support Kate Steinley's law, which would impose a mandatory five-year prison term for an illegal who's deported and then returns to this country?
And will you defund sanctuary cities for violating federal law?
Can you give everyone a quick definition of sanctuary cities, please?
Sure.
Do you guys know what anybody else in here besides me knows what they are?
I think you already explained it.
You did earlier.
Oh, go ahead and re-explain it then, whoever wants to.
I guess I could.
It's basically a city that refuses to follow immigration laws and they keep the illegals there instead of deporting them or reporting them to the Immigration Customs Agency.
ICE, yeah.
Where do they keep them exactly?
They think it's morally right.
Section 8.
Yeah, but they have like a fucking concentration camp.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
I'll explain, Sargon.
Sanctuary cities are mostly owned by the state and the government, and when it comes to land property, and they have a lot of Section 8 housing.
Section 8 housing here is basically free housing for welfare recipients and illegal immigrants.
So illegal immigrants, most of the time, when they're here and they live in a sanctuary city, if they can apply for Section 8 and they will get it, they also get Medicaid and Medicare benefits while they're here, and they have amnesty from being deported while they stay in the county and work under that thing.
It's how they start the stages of getting their quote-unquote green card.
Once they get their green card, then they can start going outside of the sanctuary cities.
Most of the people who haven't got their green card yet, you'll see them either selling fruit on the side of the road or doing odd jobs under the table payments, you know, things like that, working for construction companies that'll just take them.
You know, so forth and so forth.
I think you're getting where I'm going with those.
I take it that these have become a matter of necessity, you know, with the number of illegal immigrants that some amount of.
No, it's actually a conspiracy for we Democrats to get votes.
That's why we're doing it.
I think you're all wrong.
I mean, come on.
We all know it's a lot of people.
Besides the asshat with the joke, it's actually not, it's kind of become more of a necessity.
I would say so because it gives the jobs to them, but they don't get paid enough and they don't get the benefits that come with it at the same time.
And it's a small majority that come in here that actually do work and want to get better and send the money back.
And the most of the time, when it's the ones that do come over here, are here for other nefarious reasons, or they're just not allowed to go back to their countries.
And that's usually how that happens.
And it's a sad thing to see, but it's true.
Okay.
Chris, absolutely yes.
And not only will I support it, I have authored Kate's Law in the United States Senate and filed that legislation.
I tried to get the Senate to vote to pass Kate's Law on the floor of the Senate just one week ago, and the leader of our own party blocked a vote on Kate's Law.
You know, there was reference made to our leaders being stupid.
It's not a question of stupidity.
It's that they don't want to enforce the immigration laws.
That there are far too many in the Washington cartel that support amnesty.
President Obama's talked about fundamentally transforming this country.
There's 7 billion people across the face of the globe, many of whom want to come to this country.
If they come legally, great.
But if they come illegally and they get amnesty, that is how we fundamentally change this country.
And it really is striking.
A majority of the candidates on this stage have supported amnesty.
I have never supported amnesty, and I led the fight against Chuck Schumer's Gang of Eight Amnesty legislation in the Senate.
All right, John, we're going to switch topics now and talk a bit about terror and national security.
Governor Christie, you've said that Senator Paul's opposition to the NSA's collection of phone records has made the United States weaker and more vulnerable, even going so far as to say that he should be called before Congress to answer for it.
I like how they didn't say civil liberties.
Oh, yeah.
We're going to get to that.
Trust me, there's a good line in this.
Okay.
Hit by another terrorist attack.
Do you really believe you can assign blame to Senator Paul just for opposing the bulk collection of people's phone records in the event of a terrorist attack?
Yes, I do.
And I'll tell you why.
Because I'm the only person on this stage who's actually filed applications under the Patriot Act, who have gone before the federal, the Foreign Intelligence Service Court, who has prosecuted and investigated and jailed terrorists in this country after September 11th.
I was appointed U.S. Attorney by President Bush on September 10th, 2001.
And the world changed enormously the next day.
And it happened in my state.
This is not theoretical to me.
I went to the funerals.
We lost friends of ours in the trade center that day.
My own wife was two blocks from the trade center that day at her office, having gone through it that morning.
When you actually have to be responsible for doing this, you can do it.
And we did it for seven years in my office, respecting civil liberties.
And I will make no apologies ever for protecting the lives and the safety of the American people.
We have to give more tools to our folks to be able to do that, not fewer, and then trust those people and oversee them to do it the right way as president.
That is exactly what I'll do.
Megan, may I respond?
Shit.
You good?
Yeah.
Lost it.
Sorry.
You're going too far, I think.
Maybe not.
I'm not sure.
Fuck, I can't see it.
This looks about right.
Intelligence Service Court who has prosecuted and investigated and jailed terrorists.
Okay, so at least I noticed they're not saying that the terrorists hate your freedoms.
No, they're not saying that.
They're not that CNN yet.
Your best part's going to be when I wish Armored Skeptic was here because he's going to like the last debate topic, I think, is going to be the best one.
Is it God?
Oh, yeah, it's definitely God.
And I wish they asked Trump what he thought because I thought it'd be hilarious, but they didn't.
It's great.
It's fantastic.
It went too quick.
They only asked a couple people.
I know.
Because I think they were only trying to get the guys who were ultra-Christian in there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The guys were like literally pastors themselves outside.
Right, okay.
I'm going to carry on playing with.
And I'll tell you why.
Because I'm the only person on the stage who's actually filed applications under the Patriot Act, who have gone before the I want to collect more records from terrorists.
But less records from innocent Americans.
That would be the ultimate thing to do, Rand.
But how are you going to do that?
Exactly, Sargon.
He gets so autistic in the state.
And the thing is, I'm massively against NSA.
I'm against bulk collection.
But, you know, if you're going to do it, at least, you know, be serious, you know?
Did you get to the part where Trump calls him out or no?
No, yeah, no.
Oh, thank God, because he gets so autistic.
It's so fucking the Fourth Amendment was what we fought the revolution over.
John Adams said it was the spark that led to our war for independence.
And I'm proud of standing for the Bill of Rights, and I will continue to stand for the Bill of Rights.
And Megan?
Sorry, what?
No, no.
Oh, that was my thing.
Sorry.
Megan, that's a completely ridiculous answer.
I want to collect more records from terrorists, but less records from other people.
How are you supposed to know, Megan?
What are you supposed to know?
How are you supposed to know?
Who supports?
Okay, what does use the Fourth Amendment mean?
Search and seizure.
That's actually not count because privacy is core precedence.
It's not actually in the Constitution.
It's so fucking autistic, man.
I don't understand.
Paul was like, he's standing on phone books, guys.
Look at his feet.
And he didn't even understand.
He really dropped the ball on this one.
He actually could have done like a really legit, like a coherent argument about civil liberties, but dude, he just dropped the ball.
I don't know why he came out so angry.
He like immediately came out pissed off.
It was really weird.
Like he came out as if when he saw Trump, Trump just talked some shit and some banter at him behind the scenes.
That's all he says.
It's just like.
Someone in the chat actually explained it.
He's saying get warrants.
But that's search and seizure.
That's different.
And the issue is: who do you get a warrant against?
Yeah, he's not answering that question.
He's deflecting.
Okay.
Get a warrant.
Let me tell you so.
The judge decided.
Wait, Governor Christie, make your point.
Listen, Senator, you know, when you're sitting in a subcommittee just blowing hot air about this, you can say things like that.
When you're responsible for protecting the lives of the American people, then what you need to do is to make sure that here's your problem the way it's supposed to work.
Kutch curly hair.
Please understand the Bill of Rights.
Man from New Jersey talking.
That's it.
You did a case.
You got a warrant from a judge.
I'm talking about searches without warrants indiscriminately of all Americans' records, and that's what I fought to end.
I don't trust President Obama with our records.
I know you gave him a big hug, and if you want to give him a big hug again, go.
Did you really fucking go?
I'm out of here.
Thank you, Paul.
Yeah, going for the sort of old Obama's fucking underbum chum is a stupid thing to do.
But I mean, the thing is, in principle, Ram Paul is right.
I mean, it is wrong to collect the, you know, to collect en masse because it implies that everyone's potentially done something wrong.
It's right and wrong because there's the FISA court, which is a joke, right?
But it's just a matter of he is right in part because there are...
He's right.
Principle, yes.
But in terms of the actual issues that's being discussed here, it's just he's not being articulate enough to actually make a coherent argument for his position.
He's simply just standing on principle alone, and it isn't working.
Yeah, but why is he so angry?
I have no idea.
I don't know.
He came out pissed off.
That was my first thing I noticed.
I was like, somebody must have said some shit behind the stages and just set him off there.
He just came out hot.
Okay.
And you know, you know, Senator Paul?
Senator Paul, you know, the hugs that I remember are the hugs that I gave to the families who lost their people on September 11th.
Those are the hugs you gave.
See, you walked in for that, you twi.
You let him set that.
You fucking set him up for that, Rand.
I remember.
And those had nothing to do.
And those had nothing to do with politics, unlike what you.
Oh, not at all.
Look at Chris Christie.
He looks like a fucking.
Not at all.
He looks like an Italian monster.
Doesn't even think he really gives a shit, honestly.
No, no, his dad was an ice cream man, though.
I mean, it can't.
I don't know.
Okay.
We're doing by cutting speeches on the floor of the Senate, then putting them on the internet within a half an hour to raise money for your campaign and while still putting our country at risk.
All right, we gotta cut it out there.
We have plenty where we want to get to.
That was an interesting exchange.
Thank you for that.
I want to move on because I have a we're gonna get to you, Governor.
But I really want to get to a Facebook questioner.
His name is Alex Shalgren, and he has the following question: My question is: How would the candidates stop the treacherous actions of ISIS, ISIS, and its growing influence in the U.S. if they were to become president?
Okay, that's an interesting point because wasn't there a Texas shooting that was ISIS?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it wasn't the only one, it wasn't the only one either.
Come up with the military, the military, yeah, yeah, that one too, supposedly.
There was a Paris attack, too.
But the thing is, this begs the question.
I mean, how like ISIS is it, or is it just some fucking crazy Muslim guy who goes on the internet finds an ISIS?
He was an MMA fighter immigrant, and he became really Islamic.
His friends talked about how Islamic he came, and then he started getting in contact with ISIS, and then he ended up shooting them.
Right.
That was basically it.
He ended up drive-by, spraying the military as retaliation.
I'm not sure if it was ISIS or the tally ban, though.
It might have been one of the two.
It's being a sympathizer.
Yeah, the media said it was a tally ban thing, I think it was, but online, people were saying it was ISIS.
People were saying it was a tally banned response to.
The thing is, they have like records of him talking to people who then advise him on what to do.
Yeah, no, well, yeah, yeah.
Because, you know, right now, let me google why we're talking about it.
I'm dubious of people like, oh, it's ISIS.
Yeah, well, how much contact did he actually have with someone from ISIS?
Or was he just like, hey, I support ISIS, shoot, shoot, shoot.
I mean, I don't know.
That's what I understand.
Even with the shootings that were connected to Islamist lunatics, it was, as far as I understand, it just was okay.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
I think it's absolutely irrelevant whether you had or didn't have links to either ISIS or the Taliban, to be honest.
Well, it's more about how they're framing it.
It's the yeah, yeah, exactly.
You know, it's not really whether, you know, yeah, like, effectively, it really doesn't matter, but you know, it kind of the context for the debate.
But I'll carry on with it while you guys look stuff up.
Sorry, what was that?
I'm sorry, go ahead.
Go ahead.
Oh, I was just going to say, like, real quick, it's not.
I would say that, regardless of what you can find online, I would say that, as far as we understand, in terms of the people that committed the acts, they were not like ISIS fighters.
Okay, here we go.
Here we go.
Here we go.
He had a couple suicide notes.
He went to Jordan on a trip.
Writing include anti-U.S. sentiments inconsistent with someone who was having suicidal thoughts or martyr, like basically martyrdom kind of thing.
Sorry, Gone.
So, yeah, I guess so.
Anti-U.S. sentiments and someone who is having suicidal thoughts.
But is there any actual connection to some guy in Iraq or Syria?
No, just somebody who really did not like the United States.
Okay, so it's just regular garden variety Islamic extremism.
But his parents are saying it's very odd.
They say he suffered.
They said the quote-unquote they said was not the son we knew and loved.
We extend our said deep sympathies and da da da da.
It happened.
Basically, he started writing this diary and the anti-U.S. sentiments and the suicidal thoughts down after his trip to Jordan over a year a year ago prior to the shooting.
Well, that could be kind of consistent with the theory that he actually knew someone because the George is a recruitment center.
Yeah, he went to his writings.
We're not over a year old, predating his trip to Jordan.
They're saying it should not be considered a diary of any sort, but he has a manuscript about anti-U.S. sentiments, and then it ends with suicidal thoughts and ends of his writings.
His parents sent him to Jordan to stay with family to live there for a little bit.
And that's when he came back and he started using drugs and other things and Islam.
I don't know.
It seems more of like he was just unhinged and then Islam pushed him and he was depressed.
And it happened after he got sent to Jordan.
Okay, it just, I mean, it just sounds like he just sounds like a regular terrorist.
He doesn't sound like there's any necessary direct link.
I'll carry on.
I think he's just suicidal.
To be fair, it's far more dangerous to have these not associated with any large network than to have them associated with any large network, to be honest.
I mean, now that I'm reading it, I don't think he's, it probably wasn't about Islam.
I think he is like, they're saying depression, suicidal thoughts in his diaries, but that's just one article.
Maybe I'd have to read a couple more.
Okay.
I don't know.
About this, because many of the Facebook users and the folks on Facebook wanted the candidates to speak to ISIS tonight.
You asked the chairman of the Joint Chiefs a question.
What would it take to destroy ISIS in 90 days?
He told you ISIS will only be truly destroyed once they are rejected by the populations in which they hide.
And then you accused him of pushing Medicaid for the Iraqis.
How would you destroy ISIS in 90 days?
Megan, we need a commander-in-chief that speaks the truth.
We will need some fake Islamic terrorism.
And then Rubio at the end of it, you're going to see how much of teleprompters they really are.
I mean, what horrible question.
How are you going to destroy ISIS in 90 days?
Jesus fucking Christ.
To be fair, can any fucking person answer that question?
Can any motherfucker answer that question?
Yeah, so I mean, you can hardly blame Ted Cruz for sounding like he doesn't know what he's fucking talking about because that's a hell of a question.
Fucking.
So long as we have a president unwilling to utter the words radical Islamic terrorism.
That didn't answer the question.
Mission accomplished.
It's over.
ISIS is over.
Mission accomplished.
It's done.
But what could he have said to that question?
I don't want to go too hard on him for that stupid answer.
When I asked General Jit Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, what would be required militarily to destroy ISIS, he said there is no military solution.
We need to change the conditions on the ground so that young men are not in poverty and susceptible to radicalization.
That, with all due respect, is nonsense.
It's the same answer the State Department gave that we need to give them jobs.
Okay, right.
I don't want to sound like a dick, but when your generals turn around and say there is no military solution, don't call it nonsense.
That's also very dismissive, also, the fact that these people would, you know, they're going to get into the whole Defense Department thing and they're going to talk about the military and all that.
You know, they're dismissing the top brass.
Yeah, but it's a general's fucking business to make war.
That's what he does.
And if he's telling you there's no way to do it, then he's going against his own fucking livelihood.
You know, so he's got the incentive to say, oh, yeah, well, you know, you need to increase the military budget.
You need to give him thousands of troops.
You need to give him bombs and all this.
Because that keeps him in a fucking job.
You know, if the general's saying you can't do it this way, then don't fucking write him off, you dick.
What we need is a commander-in-chief who makes care clear.
If you join ISIS, if you wage jihad on America, then you are signing your death warrant.
You don't have to say that.
Mission accomplished.
Okay, this guy is fucking.
What the fuck?
I can't even remember the name of the fucking Labour guy in the UK.
Tony Blair.
No, Millerman.
Milliman.
Where he's in a fucking debate with Jeremy Paxman.
He's like, I'm really tough.
And it's just like, yeah, no one thinks you're fucking tough.
And Ted Cruz, no one thinks you're fucking tough, mate.
Stop trying to be a badass.
You're not a badass.
Thing is, I think it's not entirely wrong what he said.
Why is that?
I don't agree.
You always have to examine not only the direct effects of something, but also the side effects of something.
And people are actually extremely pissed at the way that, for instance, the European Union is treating former ICE fighters.
For instance, there are drafts for laws in Sweden, where they pretty much just want to rehabilitate them, give them jobs, give them money, give them a house after they enjoy a one-year jihadist.
Don't make me defend Sweden.
Don't do that.
And that's a statement.
I don't know if that was the context of the question either.
And all I'm saying is that if you willingly join an organization that is, in a sense, in a state of war with your country, you essentially become a target.
You essentially become a soldier, in my opinion.
Well, they're not soldiers.
I don't think it's right to classify them soldiers.
They're terrorists, I think.
But the thing is, you can say that, and you can shoot them, you can fucking do whatever you want, make it so they can't come back.
But the problem is, it doesn't solve the reason for these things happening.
Of course not.
But that's the point.
If you can rehabilitate people, and I do agree with the generals in the most sort of lefty way, you've got to treat the fucking cause and not the symptoms.
And the cause has been US interference in the Middle East, frankly.
But the thing is, it was going to be someone's influence.
So don't feel too bad, Americans.
It was going to be someone.
It was the British before you, and it would have been the Russians if it wasn't you.
So, you know, don't feel terrible.
Well, technically, it was.
I mean, they fought a war against them.
Well, yeah.
But it's an ideological problem.
An ideological problem, in addition to a military one.
Megan, of course, it's an ideological problem.
That's one of the reasons why I introduced the Expatriate Terrorist Act in the Senate that said if any American travels to the Middle East and joins ISIS, that he or she forfeits their citizenship so they don't use a passport to come back and wage jihad on Americans.
See, like the total hypocrite, I agree with that as well.
You know, like, this is the thing, it is a complex issue.
But if someone decides as an individual to go and join ISIS, then I agree.
Why should they be allowed back?
But I guess that doesn't really help improve the situation.
Don't you hear?
To convict them of a crime to remove citizenship, at the very least.
Isn't it kind of like treasonous to go and join a terrorist organization, though?
How do you know you're part of a terrorist organization?
Well, they've gone to ISIS.
But how can you prove that they're going to ISIS?
That's a good point.
So if there was proof, if they were, say, using the internet from Mosul or something.
But you have to bring it to a judge.
You'd have to convict this person of a crime.
That's how the legal system works, for better or worse.
No, of course.
But people can be convicted in amcentia.
Yes, absolutely.
You're not even debating that.
Well, that's the thing.
Why not do that?
If someone's been, you know, if there's evidence that someone has traveled to fucking an ISIS-controlled city on, you know, clearly by, you know, not by accident, then why not?
You know, convincingly.
That would require the infrastructure to set up that to track those individuals that leave to target.
Plus, it would be even if you did that, they would just go to another city and then travel to that city.
That wasn't controlled by ISIS.
Then they traveled to that city that was controlled by ISIS.
It's actually true.
Also, most of the recruitment centers aren't really even in this thronghole, to be honest.
Yeah, that too.
Who knows where they're fucking set up or they can contrast President Obama, who at the prayer breakfast essentially acted as an apologist.
He said, well, gosh, the crusades, the inquisitions.
We need a president that shows the courage that Egypt's president al-Sisi did, a Muslim, when he called out the radical Islamic terrorists who are threatening the world.
Governor Bush.
For days on end in this campaign, you struggled to answer a question about whether knowing what we know now would have invaded Iraq.
I remember it too.
And ISIS, of course, is now thriving there.
You finally said no.
To the families of those who died in that war, who say they liberated a country and deposed a ruthless dictator, how do you look at them now and say your brother's war was a mistake?
Knowing what we know now, with faulty intelligence and not having security be the first priority when we invaded, it was a mistake.
Oh, fuck off.
They knew.
They fucking knew.
It wouldn't have gone in.
However, for the people that did lose their lives and the families that suffered because of it, I know this full well because as governor of the state of Florida, I called every one of them, every one of them that I could find, to tell them that I was praying for them, that I cared about them, and it was very hard to do.
And every one of them said that their child did not die in vain, or their wife or husband did not die in vain.
And so why it was difficult for me to do it was based on that.
Here's the lesson that we should take from this, which relates to this whole subject.
Barack Obama became president and he abandoned Iraq.
He left.
And when he left, Al-Qaeda was done for.
ISIS was created because of the void that we left.
And that void now exists as a caliphate the size of Indiana.
To honor the people that died, we need to stop the Iran agreement for sure, because the Iranian mullahs have their blood on their hands, and we need to take out ISIS with every tool at our disposal.
Governor Walker, in February, you said that we needed to gain partners in the Arab world.
What?
Which I was wondering why Islam can't just get a reform.
I think everybody in here could probably agree that I think that Islam needs a reform from the old days of the Caliphate itself.
No, no, no, no.
I tell you what, man, if we were back in the old days of the Caliphate, it'd be fine.
We wouldn't be having any of these problems.
No, no, the problem is, well, European imperialism, to be honest.
Yes, that's correct.
Triggering words in colleges.
Yeah, to be honest with you, not only did it set the breeding ground for Wahhabism and all the more extreme strains, it completely...
there's no getting around it.
The people who carved up the Middle East had no fucking idea what they were doing.
And the problem, but the thing is, there's also, Islam is in itself very ideological.
That's the problem.
Oh, yeah.
It's not a religion.
It's an absolute.
And so the question is, can you even split up the religion from the ideology?
Is it possible?
You have to hope.
Well, you can.
I mean, even Christopher Hitchin tried to do that, and he explained to everybody you can't.
It's a total absolute.
It's a one, it's got all the rules, everything with Islam, everything that you do within Islam, it's like the whole book is your whole life.
Everything.
Well, that's the point, because the book is the ideology as well as the religion.
Well, right, exactly.
Isn't there sorry, but isn't there a separation between the Quran and the Hadith in terms of what it actually means to be a different person?
There's different types of separations.
You've got the Alawites and everything like that, but they're seen as heretics.
That's the data.
The Hadith is a later text.
Right.
Yeah, but I think the issue, though, really, is that I don't think, for practical purposes, it's going to be possible in the near future to separate the ideology from the religion in Islam.
Of course not.
I mean, not even in just the near future, I can't really see how it would end up be done.
So basically, a different option is going to have to be found, I think.
I mean, a reform, right?
Wouldn't they just reform the Quran itself, the Islam itself?
I mean, I think it just needs a reform.
Okay, but in what way?
I mean, what would you do?
I have no idea.
I have no idea where you begin with that.
I'm not.
Some kind of authority on the Muslim side.
Well, that's the thing.
If you want some sort of authority in the Muslim world, you're asking for a caliph.
So you need a caliphate.
So if you want that to happen, you're going to have to support ISIS because they're the only people claiming to be a caliphate.
So this is the problem, man.
I see.
You know, there are people in the chat.
Seriously, guys, some of the people in the chat have no fucking idea what they're talking about.
No, that's why I said I'm just talking about a reform of Islam.
But I think you need a central authority to do that.
Instead, you've got like, you know, 30,000 mullahs and fucking imams all preaching their own charismatic brand of Islam.
And there's no central authority because we got rid of them.
This is the problem.
We got rid of the fucking guy.
So we would have to let ISIS win effectively to get the caliphate to control Islam.
That's, you know, guys, it's not about whether I support Islam or not.
It's about whether fucking this, you know, whether you understand how Islam fucking works.
i'm sorry karen now i'm not saying you're absolutely right because then if you really think about it they got rid of gaddafi they got rid of uh... saddam and all the people who are really i mean they did bad things They weren't religious leaders, though, man.
They were the strongman of the region.
No, but they were the rock that held everything kind of.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
They're the reason removing them allows ISIS and terrorists and whatnot to operate a lot more freely.
It weakens the area completely.
But to change Islam, you'd need, well, a caliph and a bunch of really fucking respected Imams and mullahs and whatnot who fucking agree and can have a big fucking conference.
But that's never going to happen.
No, no.
I don't know.
I don't know much about Islam, but I'm seeing certain parallels to Christianity.
And I think the big issue is this non-separation of state and church, to be honest.
And if we actually...
Yeah, that's the thing.
Ah, okay, okay.
You can't really...
Well, you can, but it doesn't...
Anyway.
I mean, as soon as you would have a certain degree of separation of church and state, things would be pretty easy, actually.
But that's the problem with Islam.
There is a natural connection of keeping the Quran within the state.
You're forming the state on the basis of the Quran, so that's the fucked up situation.
The caliph was a spiritual and temporal leader.
Oh, okay.
yeah it'd be like if in fact the great fucking thing would be to say the papal states needs to you know not have the pope as its leader you know that's that you know that would be right right that would you know so So you'd need a president of the Papal States or something.
So you couldn't do it.
Already in the US-led coalition has the potential to be our greatest partner.
We need to focus on the ones we have.
You look at Egypt, probably the best relationship we've had in Israel, at least in my lifetime.
Incredibly important.
You look at the Saudis fact earlier this year, I met with Saudi leaders and leaders from the United Arab Emirates, and I asked them what's the greatest challenge in the world today, set aside the Iran deal.
They said it's the disengagement of America.
We are leading from behind under the Obama-Clinton doctrine.
Leading from behind, that's good.
America's a great country.
We need to stand up and start leading again.
We'd have allies not just in Israel, but throughout the Persian Gulf.
Dr. Carson.
In one of his first acts as commander-in-chief, President Obama signed an executive order banning enhanced interrogation techniques in fighting terror.
As president, would you bring back waterboarding?
Well, thank you, Megan.
I wasn't sure I was going to get to talking.
Sorry, did you want me to pause it?
No, just what she asked him was just like, how do you even answer that question without sounding like an asshole?
It's just like, oh, would you, as a president, would you bring back waterboarding?
Like, just flat out.
That's what she just asked, flat out.
And I'm like, what a bring these answers are just no.
I mean, you know.
We have a lot for you.
Don't worry.
Fear not.
You may rule that request.
All right.
You know, what we do in order to get the information that we need is our business.
And I wouldn't necessarily be broadcasting to everybody what we're going to do.
You know, we.
Are you advocating secret torture?
Pretty much.
Pretty much, Sargon.
Just say no, you know, Christ.
We've gotten into this mindset of fighting politically correct wars.
There is no such thing.
Holy shit.
Watermark is too politically correct.
I mean, all of America's wars are politically correct.
I mean, you know.
Sarga, it gets better.
Wait till we see what words he drops.
Okay.
is better and the left of course will say carson doesn't believe in the geneva convention Carson doesn't believe in fighting stupid wars.
So you don't believe in the Geneva Convention?
No, he doesn't.
He doesn't at all.
He's like, straight up, like, mow him down.
Sargon, it gets better.
Wait till they get to Black Lives Matter and they ask him that question.
You have no idea.
Oh, okay, okay.
Never mind.
What we have to remember is we want to utilize the tremendous intellect that we have in the military to win wars.
And I've talked to a lot of the generals, a lot of our advanced people, and believe me.
And how many of them are like, yeah, you know what?
That Geneva Convention, not that important.
Yeah.
If we gave them the mission, which is what the commander-in-chief does, they would be able to carry it out.
And if we don't tie their hands behind their back, they will do it extremely effectively.
I'm just waiting for him to drop cultural Marxism any minute now.
Sorry, Sarah Kamate.
Oh, I'm just waiting for him to drop cultural Marxism.
He doesn't at all, but he does drop.
And when he gets to Black Lives Matter, that's when it gets really funny.
Deals with Obamacare and the role of the federal government.
Mr. Trump, Obamacare is one of the things you call a disaster.
Complete disaster.
Yes.
Saying it needs to be repealed and replaced.
Correct.
Now, 15 years ago, you called yourself a liberal on health care.
You were for a single-payer system, a Canadian-style system.
Why were you for that then, and why aren't you for it now?
First of all, I'd like to just go back to one in July of 2004.
I came out strongly against the war with Iraq because it was going to destabilize the Middle East.
And I'm the only one on the stage that knew that and had the vision to say it.
And that's exactly what happened.
But all at least became totally destabilized.
So I just want to say, as far as a single payer, it works in Canada.
It works incredibly well in Scotland.
It could have worked in a different age, which is the age you're talking about here.
What I'd like to see is a private system without the artificial lines around every state.
I have a big company with thousands and thousands of employees.
And if I'm negotiating in New York or New Jersey or in California, I have like one bidder.
Nobody can bid.
You know why?
Because the insurance companies are making a fortune because they have control of the politicians.
Of course, with the exception of the politicians of the stage.
But they have total control of the politicians.
They're making a fortune.
Get rid of the artificial lines and you will have yourself great plans.
And then we have to take care of the people that can't take care of themselves.
And I will do that through a different system.
Okay, so for the people who aren't Americans, can you guys quickly run down what's happened with the medical health situation?
Because there's a good chance there are a few people watching this from countries that don't have your problems.
It starts.
I'll start this out by saying that we have a serious problem with people that are poor and lack medical insurance, and someone can take over and say what the affordable character is.
Forgive us, Sonana.
Obamacare is a joke.
Let me explain it a little bit.
Obamacare is the idea of trying to take the Canadian style of free health care for all and making it statewide.
Now, we've always used privatized insurance, and the insurance companies, for the most part, have always liked that.
And it's been a lot more easier for people to afford it than not.
And we probably have Medicare and Medicaid systems, but they just weren't bad.
I mean, they're just kind of bad because they run out too quickly.
Obamacare was like your free health care that everybody else could get.
That's similar to the privatized healthcare with deductibles and things like that.
The problem was that when this happened, it ruined business for privatized insurance companies, health insurance companies.
The health insurance companies have never, in America, they loved the fact that everything was privatized for health insurance and there was no competition.
So they didn't have to worry about increasing prices or influxations or losing profits.
You know what I mean?
So when you suddenly introduce this, and it was very quick how he introduced it, it wasn't like Obama didn't do it like in the graduation of like 10 years.
He introduced it within like a year's time and then just started trying to push it even harder after that.
It caused the insurance companies to backlash.
They stopped because he basically made it a law where if you do not pay into the system and you have like, if you're, if you, if you have private insurance Sargon you have to pay into the system, whether you like it or not.
Like that's, that's it, and if you don't, you you can get a fine or you can get two years in jail, and that that is legitimately the truth, and a lot of people got really upset about that and so so companies started setting up things where autopay would come out of your thing.
So now you're paying for Medicare, Medicaid and Obamacare, and nobody and and the people who are getting it could already barely afford their health insurance as it was and it didn't make it any fair.
So then they they didn't really find they they caused more people to lose more money and not cover any other people.
And then the people who tried to apply for Obamacare couldn't get the deductibles or everything that they wanted to, because their credit wasn't good enough or things like that.
So it ended up getting high deductibles and you literally have to lose your legs or get in a total wreck of a car and not be able to move for the rest of your life for it to cover anything, and the health insurance companies just started pulling out left and right.
So then, insurance skyrocket, deductibles skyrocket, skyrocketed in the United States and people had to pay.
Even more companies started, lo, the companies that used to pay.
Hang on a second.
There are a lot of people in the chat who are saying that you're not correct there.
Um, can anyone else give me an opinion on that?
Anyone about Obamacare?
Yeah.
What about what Paul's saying and just what's going on?
Because I don't know.
I hear a lot from, you know, coming out of the discussion that I see Americans having.
But I don't know anything about this subject, really.
I'm not very knowledgeable on it.
I have a very cursory.
I mean, Paul's kind of right about this.
You know, it's – I'm not sure about the companies thing.
I haven't heard about that, but basically how it works is that it basically requires everyone in the country, Obamacare does, to have health insurance.
And if you don't have health insurance, you have to pay a fine or you risk basically jail time.
And it's a lot from private companies, yeah?
Yes.
Okay.
So it caused the deductibles to skyrocket.
It caused prices to skyrocket for other people.
And for the people with the companies, like my employer at the hospital, I had to go in and sign forms to start setting up for it to have auto-pay come out.
So yes, in some jobs, employers will have it auto-pay or they will mail you a separate check for you to pay yourself to Obamacare once it started back in the day when it was supposed to start, though it never did before the website scandal.
So yes, that is true.
I don't give a shit what anybody says.
I literally had to do it.
Okay.
Now, when all that went down, a lot of insurance companies, it made it a lot harder for people to get insurance.
So employers started dropping their insurance companies and telling people to go get Obamacare.
People made too much money.
They couldn't get Obamacare.
So they had to go to get people like Humana or Florida Blue or Blue Cross Blue Shield, things like that.
And their deductibles were even higher and their prices were even higher.
And people started losing out on more things.
And it just made no sense for anybody.
And so people started falling back on county Medicaid and Medicare systems and things like that.
And that's even more expensive.
It's been a fucking mess across the board.
Someone in the chat has said that one of the problems with it was that the people who already had it saw their premiums go up.
Already have health insurance.
Yes, sorry.
Saw their premiums go up.
Yeah, it caused every, that's what I was just saying.
It caused everything to go up.
Your deductibles got higher, your prices got higher.
The whole thing.
So if you already had health insurance, you were paying more.
Some people just lost their stuff.
Some people just started.
And if you got it through your employee, if you have a career job and you got it through your employee or employer, your employers sometimes dropped their insurance to try to opt in for the Obamacare, and then they couldn't get it to all work out.
So then people were stuck without insurance in their company.
They had to go get privatized insurance.
Then they couldn't afford that.
It is private insurance.
This is all through private industry.
Yeah, that's the thing.
It's all private insurance.
I'm talking about like they went to other companies themselves.
Outside of your employer.
Yeah, outside of your employer.
It's different.
You can get it really cheap through your employer in the U.S. anyway.
Right, right.
You get what I'm saying.
So then that didn't work out for a lot of people.
So people started falling back to Medicare and Medicaid systems through the states and through the counties.
And that's just, you only get a certain amount of that before you run out.
I mean, it doesn't really help for anything.
So everybody's just fucked across the board.
And Dr. Lehman, how much do you pay for your medical insurance?
Actually, I don't pay anything.
Really?
That's funny.
I don't either.
It's amazing, isn't it?
No, no, no, no, no.
Literally zero.
You guys are so lucky.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I literally don't worry about becoming bankrupt if I become ill.
Yeah, my case is a very special case.
Normally, in Germany, you pay about, I believe, 70 euros.
But when you're the Fuhrer, you're exempt, are you?
Absolutely.
Sorry.
And if you're a student, for instance, you pay 40 euros.
You can even go as low as, I think, 20 euros or something like that.
But because of lots of mumbo jumbo, oh, you don't pay anything.
I mean.
Well, I pay for Florida Blue right now, and I pay $225 for a single person, and it is a low-deductible $250, and almost everything's covered.
I think almost everything except a rare surgery of some sort.
So you mean $225 a month?
Yes.
Yes.
It's a lot of money, man.
Yeah, it's a lot for insurance.
I'm hearing that.
Sorry, just to jump in.
Sorry.
I'm getting a lot of people on Twitter, which I think in future I might not have chat on my streams.
I might just have people, like, people's Twitter addresses to actually message us.
Because I think it might be more productive.
But someone on Twitter is saying that it's not true.
I've retweeted a graph that apparently shows the average monthly premium going down.
Again, I don't know.
It depends on the state, I would say.
Unless their income, their income, really.
Okay.
Yeah.
It's based off of your income, your credit, and the state.
And it's all based off of that.
You can't look at one graph.
That's like the wage gap myth.
You can't look at one graph and say, well, that's across the board for everybody.
It's just too much.
There have been people where they had supposedly underperforming or insurance that didn't meet the criteria of the bill or the law, I should say, now.
And so that type of insurance was dropped in favor of them buying a more expensive version of the same from the state insurance company or shopping around in the market.
Exactly.
That happens too.
And then you have a lot of insurance companies that literally just opt out.
They choose not to.
Well, that did happen to people, and that is a consequence of the bill, is people having their insurance dropped because it didn't meet the criteria of the law.
You did have a lot of people, many millions of people, getting insurance for, in some cases, the first times in their lives.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because I'm not backing the fucking bill here, but I'm just saying that it did have positive outcome, at least to it.
Yeah, no one wanted to go to jail.
No.
People getting health insurance, which I know.
Okay, okay.
We'll carry on.
Hold on one second.
Newsflash.
I know.
Hold on.
Say it for us.
Newsflash, the Republican Party's been fighting against a single-payer system for a decade.
See, I think you're on the wrong side of this if you're still arguing for a single-payer system.
I don't think you heard me.
You're having a hard time tonight.
All right.
Mr. Room.
You did.
You've also supported a host of other liberal policies.
You've also donated to several democracies.
Sorry?
He like, he's so dumb, man.
He literally thought, didn't listen to what he had to say.
And he just assumed that he was on the opposition of something.
So he just decided to jump in to be an asshole.
I swear, he just hates Trump.
Yeah, something's really crawled up his ass, isn't it?
Yeah.
He's just trying to come across as aggressive, and he's just failing at it.
Like, he's just looking for a target.
He's looking for something to just sort of latch on to and say, like, oh, man, I'm going to win this argument.
But it's just, he keeps picking the wrong fight and not, it just doesn't work out.
Yeah, I don't know.
Maybe he's just read Rules for Radicals as well.
Democratic candidates, Hillary Clinton included, Nancy Pelosi.
You explained away those donations, saying you did that to get business-related favorites.
And you said recently, quote, when you give, they do whatever the hell you want them to do.
You better believe it.
So what specifically did they do?
If I ask them, if I need them, you know, most of the people on this stage I've given to, just so you understand.
A lot of money.
Not me.
Not me.
But you're welcome to give me a check, Donald, if many of them.
Actually, to be clear, not much.
Donald, if you enjoyed it, I have Dane.
I hope you will give to me.
Good.
Sounds good.
Sounds good to me, Governor.
I will tell you that our system is broken.
I give to many people before this, before two months ago, I was a businessman.
I give to everybody.
When they call, I give.
And you know what?
When I need something from them, two years later, Gorka Dawkston.
What the fuck?
Three years later?
Don't say that.
How much shit I get.
So, that's a broken system.
So, what'd you get from Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosi?
Well, I'll tell you what.
With Hillary Clinton, I said, be at my wedding, and she came to my wedding.
You know why?
She had no choice because I gave.
I gave to a foundation.
He's not wrong.
I love the hand motions.
I actually love the hand motions.
He's very energetic.
Yeah, yeah.
Glee, that foundation is supposed to do good.
I didn't know her money would be used on the jets going all over the world.
All I wanted was to be at my wedding.
She showed up.
But I really want to know what he's going to do about ISIS.
I mean, how many bombs?
If you really want to know, he's talked about it prior, Sargon.
He said what he would do is he'd carpet bomb all the oil.
No, listen, listen.
He would literally bunker buster and carpet bomb all the oil fields that they own.
And then he talked about how they tried to hire him to build like a fucking hotel for them because they're so fucking rich.
And something like that.
I'm not entirely sure on that.
I know he talked about a hotel that they were building.
And then so he said he would carpet bomb all the oil fields that they own.
Then he would have the UN come in with the US military and they would take back the oil.
And then they have Texaco and everybody come in and they'd start pumping the oil back into the EU and to the EU and to the United States and make tons of money for everybody and then and starve them.
Make them fucking starve and run out of money until they give up.
That sounds like a very autistic plan.
Yeah.
It's not entirely retarded.
I mean, you cut off their supply of money is what he said.
And then that's it.
He said he bombed the shit out of it.
Then he'd have, and he said he'd get the EU and the United States and he'd pump all the oil back into them.
They'd keep the oil for themselves and then they'd starve them and they'd wait until they came to them and said they were sorry and then they would get they would get their paid dues.
But he would just take all the oil back and then he would he would let them fucking burn out.
No wonder he's gonna have so many votes.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And he also not the wall that you're thinking of, but it's a military wall.
He said he used the United States Army as just a buffer zone.
It would be just like the South Korea, North Korea kind of thing.
Like you would say they would just set up a giant fucking checkpoints everywhere where the no, where all the oil fields, like they would take the oil east?
Yeah.
Listen, listen.
Listen.
This is what he said.
I'm telling you.
That's fucking retarded.
Listen, just listen.
If you go listen to it, he explains in detail, but he says that he wants to carpet bomb, bunker bust all the oil fields, then rebuild them back up.
Saudi Arabia, who's he going to bomb?
All the oil fields that ISIS owns.
All the oil fields that they own.
Oh, okay.
Bomb just their oil fields and then push the United States Army in with the UN, basically like Baghdad 2.0 it, then fucking hold it, buffer zone it, and let Texaco and all them come in and rebuild it and then start pumping all the oil with into the EU and to the United States only, and the United States and its allies only, and making tons of fucking money and take all the oil back and then let them fucking run out of money and starve them.
So you basically have like these gigantic corporate states that would be pumping oil to the EU that would have to back into the United States.
That sounds like some dystopian shit right there.
No, that is beyond fiction.
No, listen, it literally reminded me of Reagan's like Star Wars thing slash like El Girsad's like company box type shit.
I have I'm just like Texaco's gonna have their own fucking soldier unit running around out there.
That's great.
That's gonna be great, dude.
That would literally be the worst.
Honestly, right, that's probably gonna be the fucking future.
But anyway, Blackwater did it.
Sargon.
Yeah, exactly.
Blackboard with big boys.
Right, Sargon.
All you got to know, Sargon, is you're going to get tons of money from the oil.
There you go.
That's all that matters, right?
Okay.
That's all you need to know, Sargon.
You're getting your check.
Don't worry.
You're getting your debt.
Everybody's getting paid on this.
Trump's got your back.
Get paid now.
And then we'll just let those goddamn ICE starve.
Let them all starve out.
It's all right.
We're going to move on.
We'll come back to you, Governor Waters.
You'd be surprised if they're going to be like, we spend a lot of time talking.
Fucking neocons online, basically.
It's like you like Hillary Clinton pinning us back and forth.
We shouldn't be talking about Hillary.
You know how hard it would be to even try after carpet bombing, keeping a buffer zone.
Just imagine how hard that would be just not to try to shut them up.
Just imagine how many terrorists you create by carpet bombing them.
Well, he said he wouldn't do the cities.
We just do the oil fields.
That's it.
They're all going to starve.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, but you know, you're going to have those articles like accidental carpet strip land across fucking village, you know?
Just like, you know, that'll happen.
There's always going to be margin for error.
And then you're going to have more problems.
You're going to have it's going to be harder.
Then you're going to have immigration running through that line.
Like they're going to hit the buffer zone before they even get to the EU.
We might save Sweden.
It didn't work out.
Yes, we can saving Sweden.
They'll try to hit the water.
We'll spray them down before they get there.
Jesus.
That's right.
They're terrorists.
It's our good.
Everywhere in the world that Hillary Clinton touched is more messed up today than before she and the French government.
We have many questions to come.
We have many questions to come.
Governor Huckabee, on Facebook, John Critrioni asks this.
Will you abolish or take away the powers and cut the size of the EPA, the IRS, the Department of Education?
Now, broadly, the size of government is a big concern for Facebook users, Facebook persons, as well as obviously conservatives.
But year after year, decade after decade, there are promises from Republicans to shrink government.
But year after year, decade after decade, it doesn't happen.
In fact, it gets bigger even under Republican politicians.
So the question is, at this point, is the government simply too big for any one person, even a Republican, to shrink?
It's not too big to shrink.
But the problem is we have a Wall Street to Washington axis of power that has control of political climate.
The donor class feeds the political class who does the dance that the donor class wants.
And the result is federal government keeps getting bigger.
Every person on this stage who has been a governor will tell you that the biggest fight they had was not the other party, wasn't even the legislature.
It was the federal government who continually put mandates on the states that we had to suck up and pay for.
And the fact is there are a lot of things happening at the federal level that are absolutely beyond the jurisdiction of the Constitution.
This is power that should be shifted back to the states, whether it's the EPA.
There is no role at the federal level for the Department of Education.
Isn't this a big concern about Obama's presidency in general?
Yeah, really, it is.
I can't remember.
I think it was probably Dan Carlin, I was listening to, and he was saying how it's almost like Congress has deliberately ceded powers to the presidency.
And I'm not saying that I'm in any way right here.
I'm asking the question: is that sort of like the centralization of power in the presidency?
Is that correct at all?
Can anyone confirm this?
Am I talking nonsense?
I think it's more special interest groups and lobbyists.
I mean, most of Congress is so old, you got to be dead to get it off of Congress.
And I think that's really the major problem: there's just, you know, there I can't remember who said it, but you know, there's a there for every topic that needs to be discussed, like some interest group is pushing something, there'll be so many fucking lobbyists around one congressman just for that one topic that people, the average person could never hire his own lobbyist to try to get the proper thing to be done.
You know, it's something like that.
So it's really, it's really more the special interest groups and lobbyists pushing for things in Congress, just going, yeah, sure, whatever.
And then when Obama doesn't get his way, he just pulls an executive order every fucking time.
And it's just so, it's so ridiculous.
I'm sure somebody could probably be more in-depth about it, but it's just so ridiculous.
I think I can be a little bit more in-depth about it.
America has a sort of interesting history when it comes to the relation between politicians and economy.
When you think back towards the early 19th century, actually quite a few of the seats in the Senate were kind of ballsy.
There was an attempt at legislation, if you have to look up the actual numbers, where the suggestion was every senator that received his place through money, who bought his place, should be removed from Senate.
And the answer by the Senate was that it is impossible to do that because that would cripple the Senate to a point where it would not be able to function anymore.
And so we see this happen all the time throughout the history of America.
And even now, I think in 2000, the number of lobbyists who had access to federal senators was at about 7,500.
Yeah, that's just the lobbyists.
That's a lot if you compare that to the journalists, for instance.
The journalists are in the low hundreds.
So it's fucked up.
And your chat said it best.
Somebody said in chat, it's like, it's not, Congress still has the power, Sargon, is what he said.
But he said, but the Congress fights with itself because of special interest groups and lobbyists.
Everyone is trying to get a special interest for another thing and another thing.
And they'll shake hands and make deals and go after one Congressman for this thing.
Nobody solves the fucking issue.
So it causes Obama to have an executive order get pulled because no one can come to terms with things.
It's the reason why when we get to the debt ceiling every fucking time, they'll shut the government down for a little bit.
It gets so fucking stupid.
Yeah, I remember that happening.
Okay.
And I'm still one who says that we can get rid of the internal revenue service if we would pass the fair tax, which is a tax on consumption, rather than a tax on people's income and move power back where the founders believed it should have been all along.
Dr. Carson, Dr. Carson, do you agree with that?
What I agree with is that we need a significantly changed taxation system.
And the one that I've advocated is based on tithing because I think God's a pretty fair guy.
And he said, you know, if you give me a tithe, it doesn't matter how much you made.
If you had a bumper crop, you don't owe me triple tithes.
And you'd have no crops at all.
You don't owe me no tithes.
So there must be something inherently fair about that.
And that's why I've advocated a proportion.
There's something inherently fair about not having a crop but owing a tithe.
Fucking tax system.
You make some million dollars, you pay a billion, you make ten dollars, you pay one, and everybody gets treated the same way.
And you get rid of the deductions, you get rid of all the loopholes.
Governor Bush, and I have a lot more to say.
Oh, Jesus, shut up, man.
You shouldn't.
Is anyone hearing this?
You really don't like Vengari.
It's just rhetoric for a flat tax.
It's all this stuff.
Exactly.
It's rhetoric for a flat tax.
That's exactly the problem with it.
We're going to come back to you, Dr. Carson.
Governor Bush, you are one of the few people on this stage who advocates for Common Core education standards, reading and math.
Here we go.
This is going to be good, isn't it?
A lot of people on this stage vigorously oppose federal involvement in education.
They say it should all be handled locally.
President Obama's Secretary of Education, Arnie Duncan, has said that most of the criticism of Common Core is due to a, quote, fringe group of critics.
Do you think that's accurate?
No, I don't.
And I don't believe the federal government should be involved in the creation of standards directly or indirectly, the creation of curriculum or content.
That is clearly a state responsibility.
I'm for higher standards measured in an intellectually honest way with abundant school choice, ending social promotion.
And I know how to do this because as governor of the state of Florida, I created the first statewide voucher program in the country, the second statewide voucher program in the country, and the third statewide voucher program in the country.
And we had rising student achievement across the board because high standards, robust accountability, ending social promotion in third grade, real school choice across the board, challenging the teachers' union and beating them is the way to go.
And Florida's low-income kids had the greatest.
I live in Florida and I was around when he did all this stupid shit.
He's so fucking stupid.
The vouchers fucked up privatized schools really bad.
And then he pushed for the FCAT, which is the same fucking thing as what he pushes for with the Common Core.
It was just like the prototype to Common Core, was a stupid fucking FCAT.
And if anybody lived in Florida and you remember that, it thing was awful.
Now we have the Common Core in the schools now, and it's even fucking worse.
It was just, he didn't do anything but just fucking the vouchers allowed people to opt out of fucking public schools and force private schools to take in more students that they didn't allow.
Like it just fucked everything up.
But then magnet schools that you only overachievers could get into.
You had to be invited to get into them, Sargon, started taking public school people who didn't make the grades.
And I remember going to a magnet school for the arts in middle school and a magnet school for law in high school.
And we started, half of it was magnet, half of it became public because of the stupid fucking voucher.
And it fucked up everything.
Yeah, I noticed he kind of backtracked on the whole supporting Common Core as well.
Yeah, yes, he chats like FCAT, fuck the FCAT.
And then he pushed for FCAT, which was basically the prototype to Common Core.
It was the first testing simulation that they put into Florida.
And it was the first time anybody ever seen anything like it.
And people started adopting it like crazy because of this asshole.
Yeah, there are a bunch of people in the chat.
Like, I fucking remember.
I'm from Florida.
Florida's the priest of the U.S. I tell you.
That's one commenter.
One commenter, anyways.
Yeah, if anyone is wondering and they don't know about Common Core, just look it up.
Just look up some of the fucking papers that kids have taken home to their parents and the parents have read it and gone, holy shit, this is some crazy, like, deliberate retardation, and then put it on the internet to show people.
I do apologize for Florida advance because the FCAT was the prototype for the Common Core.
Yeah, so yeah, I think this is a brilliant political answer because it sounds like he's very much in favor of what everyone would actually want.
And, you know, it genuinely sounds like a good answer, but I don't think it bears out with reality at all, does it, with this guy?
What exactly is social promotion in the third grade?
What's that?
He said ending social promotion, I believe, in the third grade.
He's talking about when you get into elementary school, they start back when I was in school and they did the voucher thing.
They would scout you to see if you were an overachiever.
And if you were, they'd put you in what's called a invite you to a magnet school that specialized in certain topics.
When I was in elementary school, I was an overachiever for music and for art and for drawing and painting.
And so they scouted me, what you were talking about in the third grade, and then to start getting me prepped to go to a magnet school for arts to hone my skills and artistic nature.
So the school I went to specialized in that.
But as I was going in that, I got more interested in politics.
So then I went to Jefferson High School, which was a magnet school for law.
And I started doing law there.
Okay.
Aines, inside the country, our graduation rate improved by 50%.
That's what I'm for.
Senator Ruvio, why is Governor Bush wrong on Common Core?
Well, first of all.
I too believe in curriculum reform.
It's critically important in the 21st century.
We do need curriculum reform.
And it should happen at the state and local level.
That is where educational policy belongs.
Because if a parent is unhappy with what their child is being taught in school, they can go to that local school board or their state legislature or their governor and get it changed.
Here's the problem with Common Core.
The Department of Education, like every federal agency, will never be satisfied.
They will not stop with it being a suggestion.
They will turn it into a mandate.
In fact, what they will begin to say to local communities is, you will not get federal money unless you do things the way we want you to do it.
And they will use Common Core or any other requirements that exist nationally to force it down the throats of our people in our states.
Okay, that sounds remarkably likely.
But that's not the only problem with Common Core.
Agree with your old friend?
He's definitely my friend.
And I think the states ought to create these standards.
And if states want to opt out of Common Core, fine.
Just make sure your standards are high.
Because today in America, a third of our kids, after we spend more per student than any country in the world, other than a couple of rounding errors, to be honest with you, 30% are college and or career ready.
That sounds like concern trolling of the highest order.
If you want to cop out of Common Core, fine.
Just make sure your standards are high.
Are you fucking serious?
You know?
Maybe it's just me.
I don't know.
You're going to compete in this world we're in today.
There's no possible way we can do it with lowering expectations and dumbing down everything.
Children are going to suffer and families' hearts are going to be broken that their kids won't be able to get a job in the 21st century.
We have many more questions coming on a host of topics here from Quick and Loans Arena in Cleveland.
Stay with us.
Yes, but we're also going to change it up every once in a while throughout the next hour and have many rounds where we ask, you're not going to like it, only a couple of candidates' questions on those subjects.
This is the first of the many rounds, and it's about somebody whose name probably hasn't been mentioned.
Really, guys, what do you think could be done to improve the education system in the United States?
Take it away from the state shouldn't have regulations on what should be taught.
I think it should be a student teacher council, and I think they should sit down and really pick what they want to do per state.
I think that's the best way to probably go about it, is allow teachers to pick the curriculums that best appropriate what the thing it is.
Let them vote like a democracy on what they think is the most appropriate thing that students might want to learn versus, and let the parents have more involvement in what their kids are being taught.
That's me being a libertarian.
I'm actually entitled to agree with you.
And definitely the federal government is overstepping its bounds in this.
I think it really depends Where exactly do you want to see this improvement?
Do you mean across the board in elementary schools, high schools?
Well, I think, yeah, I mean, I think across the board, we would have an improved education system altogether.
And I think that the best way to do this would probably be through local schools having a more being more in touch with the community with parental meetings, community meetings, and also to set the curriculum based on the needs of the community and also to help create a dialogue between parents and teachers and between the community and the schools.
I think it should be done per county as well.
I think it should be the county schools and their districts themselves and let them sit down and pick the curriculums that they need to be done without any state or regulations or anything like that.
Unless it was certain things that obviously you shouldn't be teaching, like crazy radicalism.
I was going to say, but what's to stop sections of California that are spot from teaching?
Right, teaching that like American imperialism or shit.
This is what I was talking about with families being more involved.
Let parents be more informed, more involved.
Let them come and let them vote on what they like and what they don't like.
Let the teachers introduce the thing just like you would in a normal democracy.
Let the teachers introduce things that people might want to see, what curriculums they possibly want, what they don't, and then people can vote from that point.
And therefore.
I tend to agree on a sort of ideological level.
Like, it sounds good.
The issue is the sort of interdependence between various states and various countries.
So if you, for instance, in one state or in one county learn a very, I don't know, engineering-heavy course, like if you.
Just to interrupt, sorry, I'm just going to run off and get a cup of tea since we're halfway through and I need a drink.
Okay.
So yeah, you guys carry on with us discussing this.
So if one county or one state really focuses on something.
I'm lacking the English terminology.
Sorry.
If you have varying standards between different countries, different states, how do you want to, for instance, create entry tests for colleges?
Or how should the industry select?
Because if everything is different, what's your guarantee that the person actually...
We already have an SAT program, though.
Okay.
There are already standardized tests that schools opt into choosing because they agree upon them.
It's the free market, basically, at work, but it seems like.
The SATs work just fine.
They work fine for a lot of people opting in to try to get into college because it's a broad variety of what they're trying to get into.
I think what you're talking about is more something like the ASVAP kind of idea where you kind of pick what you're going to do and then you take a test on it.
If you get a high score at it, then you can get that job kind of thing.
Is that what you're talking about?
Not necessarily.
I see the danger if you create a sort of democratic voting process for a curriculum in the elementary schools and in the high schools, that it will be very much different to what we have now.
And whatever you say about the system we have now, it is standardized.
A high school student from the south will have roughly the same education as a high school student from the north, roughly.
And if you stop dissolving this, if you start dissolving this, I think it would lead to quite a bit of chaos.
Well, no, no one's saying to dissolve it.
You're missing that.
No one's saying that.
We're talking about from pre-K to 12th grade or high school, up to high school.
Once you get to institutions, you're talking about universities, that's where the SAT scores matter.
That's when they're going to be doing that.
But I don't believe that the state when the government should have the federal government should be overstepping and putting in curriculums like Common Core and things like that and teaching students.
Think that it should be decided on what should be taught in the regions and the counties or the districts that want to be taught these certain things, and that the parents should be more informed and allow their students to learn their kids and the students to be treated more as people and learn things instead of just like, well, they're just going to score this statistic.
I mean, it's so bad.
It's so fucking bad, right?
That the federal government uses some of the scores that the first scores you get with the AA, I think it's a grade five.
Someone can correct me in chat.
I don't know.
But that they'll use that to determine whether or not you're going to go to jail or not.
I mean, that's how bad they use some of the testings that they do.
And it's so asinine to put it that way and to just expect things like that, that it's just wrong in every aspect.
And I think that it should be more of a democratically done and more freedoms and more information towards the people to choose what their kids should learn and what they don't.
And if they don't want to learn from that school, then they don't have to.
I would say, though, if when you do that, though, it opens the door clearly for Ideologues to not to just go in by county and basically have totalitarian control over that county for every one of those schools there in terms of their specific ideology.
I totally sympathize with what you're saying here, but I just think that we're at a point in time where you're going to have Republicans in the South pushing Jesus in books, and then you're going to have liberals in pockets of the country pushing lunatic shit.
So I just think that there are serious consequences to that.
In the end, it's up to the parents to be informed, right?
And that's what I'm talking about.
It's still at the end, the parents are the ones who are going to decide.
It's not the teachers.
You could spout some crazy radical bullshit or you could talk about my Jesus, my sky God, all day.
And that's fine.
But if the parents are like, listen, I want my kid to learn about biology, not about why Jesus died for our sins, well, they can just opt out for it.
Do you see?
Do you see what I'm saying?
And they can go to a different school that will teach what they're looking for, is what I'm talking about.
Allow schools to teach the curriculums like they would at an institution level versus that.
Treat the kids like people, not so much as machines or anything like that.
And let the parents decide what they want to do and have more freedoms to do these kind of things.
Like I said, this is more of the liberal, libertarian side of me that comes out when it comes to education.
Because I don't believe that the state or the federal government knows what's best for your child and knows what's best for your child.
Because your kid's going to get to an age where he starts questioning his beliefs and what he thinks is right and what he thinks is wrong.
And at those points, I think it should be where facts and logic should become more of a point than anything else.
And you're always, no matter what, you're always going to have crazy ass liberals.
You're always going to have crazy Jesus lovers.
You're always going to have radicals.
And you're always going to have, in some spectrum, whether it's the right or the left, you can't just stamp it out, but you'll have more productivity in society.
I mean, how do you think we got things like Yale and Harvard and things that were known for certain things, specializations and certain things?
Different areas focused on different things because that's what they wanted at the time when it came to institutions.
And that's why they became so well known for these things.
Harvard Law, for instance, became so well known for its law.
Whereas in Yale, it became more known for other things.
I don't think you can make this comparison, actually.
Because on the one hand, you have specialized institutions where the curriculum is created by people who have worked in this field for ages and they are experts on that field.
And if you suddenly give the exact same institutional power to, say, elementary and high schoolers, you suddenly have teachers who know it's sort of basic deal and parents who are, let's be honest, their parents are retarded.
Yeah, that's really the problem here as well.
If you give that same institutional power to retards and mediocre teachers, I'm kind of worried about the results, to be honest.
What would you guys suggest instead if it wasn't more freedom or an allowance for the schools and parents to decide?
Maybe what if there was some sort of cross between a democratic system in which by state, let's say, just to keep it at that level, per state, you have different bills or different pieces of legislation that would be potentially what would be the curriculum written by experts within the field that people can vote on via referendum.
Would that be suitable?
Yeah, that's that, yeah, that'd be right.
And then maybe there are some federal, there is federal standards specifically to you need history, you need math, you need whatever.
You know what I mean?
Like, you have some minimum of a federal standard for each specific subject matter within curriculum.
But it's not like heavy-handed, like, we tell you exactly what you need to do broad across the board.
Okay, so what I mean, what I came at the end of that.
So, what I, what you're essentially saying is Christian Holocaust.
Is that correct?
That's time.
Wait, what?
No, I'm being the libertarian here and talking about freedom for all and my roots.
And they're being like, you need a little bit of government in there, buddy.
You do need some government in there.
Would you say that that's fair poll in terms of the referendum option that I know you said that what you said was actually pretty logical?
I mean, I would definitely agree to that.
It just depends on what extent is the overreach.
I understand the principle that you're going for, man.
I can appreciate it.
Yeah, I appreciate it.
I appreciate the principle, but I think in practice, you do have to have some kind of government oversight.
Otherwise, you're going to get Bible Belt loons teaching the kids.
Yeah, I've already seen that.
Yeah, the world is made.
I sort of get settled in six days and stuff.
So, yeah, okay.
So libertarian at me, Sargon.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, no, no, I understand.
You just have to be able to recognize it, isn't it?
But I'll carry on.
So far tonight.
Governor Kasich, let me start with you.
Whoever the Republican nominee, whoever the Republican nominee is, it looks at least for now like whoever that nominee is, he or she will be facing off against Hillary Clinton.
You know how she will come after whoever the Republican nominee is.
She will say that you, whoever it is, support the rich while she supports the middle class, that you want to suppress the rights of women and minorities.
She wants to move the country forward while you, the Republicans, want to take the country back to the past.
How will you, if you're the nominee, how will you answer that and take Hillary Clinton on?
Okay, that's an interesting thing to say.
What do you guys make of that question?
It's a good question, actually.
Yeah, I think so as well.
In fact, it kind of cuts to the heart of sort of progressive politics.
I'm sick of hearing it being called liberal politics.
It really pissed me off, man.
It's not liberal politics.
It's progressive politics.
I would say that that word is caught on, progressive.
I do think that that word is very much caught on in terms of identifying that stratum politics.
I think we should do more to encourage it because these people are not liberal.
They're like anti-liberal.
But yeah, I'm actually genuinely impressed at the nuance of the question.
And I know I oh, why don't you just let him answer?
But it was one of those things I actually genuinely think it's worth highlighting.
This is an important one.
Start off with my father being an American for a couple dollars.
I can give you a $10 billion for a tip for the delivery guy.
What?
I would drive up there myself, but I've been drinking.
You're going to tip the delivery guy now, huh?
What the fuck?
That's why I didn't do it.
You giving up that tip?
Right, I'm carrying on that.
I understand the concerns of all the folks across this country, some of whom have trouble making ends meet.
I think she will come in and I think there's a little bit of confusion because liberalism doesn't mean the same thing across all boards.
I know.
For instance, neoliberalism in a foreign policy context is something entirely different than neoliberalism in a political science context.
And, yeah, you actually...
A lot of this liberal politics, what you see today, this identity politics and so on and so forth, is...
It fits neoliberalism.
Yeah, well, this is what I was saying.
It's progressive politics.
It's identity politics.
That's exactly what they do.
Unless I'm operating under a different definition or something.
But I think calling that progressive politics is perfectly accurate.
I'd call it Zionist politics.
I mean, uh... Jesus.
Oh, no.
Band in Germany.
Was that whole interruption for that fucking joke?
Can't read the thread on Gigi Revolt.
They want to talk to you.
I'm going to carry on.
I don't go.
The nominee of this party, if they're going to win, has got to come at it in a big way, which is pro-growth, which is balancing budgets.
You know, we were talking about it.
Oh, no, that's the stupidest.
No.
These guys don't know what they're fucking doing, do they?
People were saying, could we do it?
I was the chairman of the budget committee and the lead architect the last time it happened in Washington.
And when we did it, we had great economic growth.
We cut taxes and we had a big surplus.
Economic growth is the key.
Economic growth is the key to everything.
But once you have economic growth, it is important that we reach out to people who live in the shadows, the people who don't seem to ever think they get a fair deal.
And that includes people in our minority community.
That includes people who feel as though they don't have a chance to move up.
You know, America is a miracle country.
And we have to restore the sense that the miracle will apply to you.
Each and every one of the people in this country who's watching tonight, lift everybody, unite everybody.
Hillary Clinton is going to eat these fucking people alive.
That's the worst possible fucking answer.
She's just going to go, yeah, see, he doesn't care.
He cares about the rich.
Oh, fucking hell.
She's only so articulate herself.
Yeah, but that is just, that is just, you know, that is just handing her the gun.
You know what I mean?
I mean, it is.
It is like giving her in some sense.
I'm not saying that Hillary Clinton is brilliant or anything, but that is just buffoon-like playing into her plan.
I mean, that's exactly why she's asking that motherfucking question.
Sorry.
Okay.
And build a stronger United States of America again.
It will be and can be done.
I know that all of you would like to answer this question, but we're only going to ask one other candidate before we move on to a different subject, Dr. Carson.
Basically, same question to you.
If Hillary Clinton is the nominee and she comes at you with that kind of line of attack, how will you take a rock?
If Hillary is the candidate, which I doubt, that would be a dream come true.
But, you know, the fact of the matter is, she is the epitome of the progressive, the secular progressive movement.
And she counts on the fact that people are uninformed.
The Alinsky model taking advantage of useful idiots.
Holy shit.
Well, I just happen to believe.
Holy shit.
Good timing, Sargon.
Good timing, anyway.
It was good timing, wasn't it?
I happen to know something about the Alinsky model.
Okay, that's.
You know.
Are the rules for radicals?
You like that, huh?
I loved it, man.
I loved it.
The thing is, right?
This isn't really a Linsky model.
This is just standard progressive identity politics.
He read the book, though.
Yeah, but he's wrong to say, oh, this is a lizard.
I mean, you could probably read the cover.
It's not really the issue, you know?
The issue is the way she's attacking the party.
Not that she is attacking the party.
Anyway, sorry, I'll be able to do that.
Salami tactics, actually.
Have you read about that?
Say, second.
Salami tactics?
I was reading about that.
No, I'm not having the phrase.
It's where you, basically an outside group tries to push division within the main group.
So in this case, the Democrats pushing division on the Republicans by making them cut off parts of their group that are either too extreme or bad PR or something along those lines.
So they're basically trying to make the conservatives cut away from the Tea Party, cut away from the social conservatives, which in some respects, I hate the social conservatives.
I sort of agree with that, but at the same time, it's what they're doing to basically make it so that people no longer care about the party, that the base loses their support of the party.
They won't turn up for elections.
They won't turn up for fundraising or campaigning donations.
See, this is why Trump is winning, man, right?
And what you've just described there is exactly what you should.
That's the wrong thing to do against progressives.
Like we all know from dealing with fucking thing in GameCube, there's no pleasing these people.
Don't do anything for them.
Oh, we think you're this.
So what, you fucking idiots.
You know, of course you think that because you're fucking more and you can't don't do any.
And this is what I've learned recently.
Don't fucking do anything to appease them.
If anything, do it even more.
You know what I mean?
Just fuck them.
I was going to say, though, plus you have to remember that this is the fucking primaries.
They're not trying to win my fucking vote.
They're not trying to win votes of Democrats or Hillary Clinton supporters.
This is not the general election, so there's no reason to not just go for the base.
There's no reason.
Maybe, maybe.
But the thing is, I think having a good, solid answer that would be a proper crack to Hillary Clinton's metaphorical face would be a good thing, wouldn't it?
Yeah, it would be good for raising support for yourself, making yourself look good and forceful.
But yeah, that's really the issue I was trying to point out.
I was talking about the salami tactics.
All right, then.
Don't do anything for them.
But sorry, yeah, I'll carry on.
Stupid.
And the way I will come at it is to educate people, help people to actually understand that it is that progressive movement that is causing them the problems.
You know, you look at the national debt and how it's being driven up.
If I was trying to destroy this country, what I would do is find a way to drive wedges between all the people, drive the debt to an unsustainable level, and then step off the stage as a world leader and let our enemies increase while we decrease our capacity as a military person, and that's what she's doing.
I actually kind of like him so far, damn.
He actually has a couple good lines in this.
Yeah, I love it.
I love hearing about how presidential candidates would destroy the country.
I just think it's really funny.
You've got one guy going, America sucks.
You've got one guy going, this is how I'd destroy America.
It's just amusing.
That's all.
That's great.
You can't wait till you get to the Black Lives Matter part and they pass it to Ben.
You had to give it to the black guy.
Just wait.
Gentlemen, we're going to turn now to the subject of the economy, jobs, and money, and the government.
And Governor Bush, I'm going to start with you.
You have made a bold promise in your announcement.
You have promised 4% economic growth and 19 million new jobs if you were fortunate enough to serve two terms as Trump.
That many jobs.
19 million would be true.
Your father and your mother accomplished together and 4% growth.
The last president to average that was Lyndon Johnson during the height of the Vietnam War.
So, question, how on earth specifically would you pull that off?
We've done it 27 times since World War II.
I think we need to lift our spirits and have high, lofty expectations for this great country of ours.
The new normal of 2% that the left is saying you can't do anything about is so dangerous for our country.
There's 6 million people living in poverty today more than when Barack Obama got elected.
6.5 million people are working part-time, most of whom want to work full-time.
We've created rules and taxes on top of every aspiration of people, and the net result is we're not growing fast, income's not growing.
A 4% growth strategy means you fix a convoluted tax code.
You get in and you change every aspect of regulations that are job killers.
You get rid of Obamacare and replace it with something that doesn't suppress wages and kill jobs.
You embrace the energy revolution in our country.
This president and Hillary Clinton, who can't even say she's for the XL pipeline, even after she's left, give me a break.
Of course, we're for it.
We should be for these things to create high, sustained economic growth.
And frankly, fixing our immigration system and turning it into an economic driver is part of this as well.
We can do this.
Governor Walker.
Governor Walker.
I can't.
I can fucking teleprompter.
Yeah, I can't exactly remember the beginning of his argument, but it was just hogwash politicians bullshit.
I'm going to point out something very clear that he said.
Now, he's an oil tycoon, just like his brother and all them.
Yeah, yeah.
He said it.
We need to get back into the energy.
Back into the energy, boys.
Right back into it.
He didn't specify, but I'm almost positive.
He's talking about let's go for that oil again.
Without a doubt, but I mean, again, I don't like to defend this guy, but you could, you know, it's what he knows.
So, you know, it's what he knows.
He'd say, look, I know about this and this will work sort of thing.
So I don't think we can necessarily be angry at him for saying, you know, for talking about what he knows.
Chad's already saying it.
He supports the XL pipeline.
And Chad's already saying it.
My pipe.
So what about molten salt reactors?
I was reading about that the other day.
And it seems like from what I've read, there's not been enough research done on them yet, but it seems like this could be a way to produce relatively clean and safe nuclear power.
I don't know what hear about it, man.
That's not what he's talking about.
I know, I know.
I was just thinking about when you talk about energy, though, I mean, that Paula, have you read up on this?
No, but when you mentioned that, there was a guy that's looking for funding.
He wants to try to do some thermonuclear energy things using volcanoes.
Like you want to do this whole thing.
Yeah, that's it.
He wanted his whole thing with like liquid magma and volcanoes and the heat generated by it and producing it into, it's wild.
You got to go look it up.
This guy was that doesn't sound cheap and easy.
Yeah, I don't think the technology's there either.
I'm pretty sure it's something that...
Yeah, and he wanted to, like, he's like, we could harness volcanoes and it'd be ten times more stronger than a fucking...
Like, an active volcano would be ten times more stronger than a one nuclear reactor.
It's not happening in the next presidential term either way, you know what I mean?
No, I know, I know.
I think we all are wrong about clean energy.
Germany had a very interesting project that was clean energy between 1941 and 1945.
Oh my god!
Oh my god.
I apologize for Dr. Lehman.
He's, you know, still not as cheap as oil.
Still not as cheap as oil.
When you ran for governor of Wisconsin back in 2010, you promised that you would create 250,000 jobs in your first term, first four years.
In fact, Wisconsin added barely half that and ranked 35th in the country in job growth.
Now you're running for president and you're promising an economic plan in which everyone will earn a piece of the American dream.
Given your record in Wisconsin, why should voters believe you?
Well, the voters in Wisconsin elected me last year for the third time because they wanted someone who aimed high, not aimed low.
Before I came in, the unemployment rate was over 8%.
It's now down to 4.6%.
We more than made up for the jobs that were lost during the recession.
And the rate in which people are working is almost five points higher than it is nationally.
You know, people like Hillary Clinton think you grow the economy by growing Washington.
One report last year showed that six of the top 10 wealthiest counties in America were in or around Washington, D.C.
I think most of us in America understand that people, not the government, creates jobs.
One of the best things we can do is get the government out of the way, repeal Obamacare, rein in all the auto-control regulations, put in place all the above energy policy, give people the education and skills that they need to succeed, and lower the tax rate and reform the tax code.
That's what I'll do as president, just like I did in Wisconsin.
See, this is where the right has the advantage over the left.
The left has no fucking idea what it's doing.
I'm sick of having the fucking conversation about increasing taxes on business.
And small businesses need to have low taxes.
And I'm not saying that just because I'm trying to start one.
It legitimately is the best way to fucking improve economy.
Just feeding multinationals that aren't paying fucking tax into the system is a fucking, it's a silly idea.
But without giving people the opportunity to create their own businesses, you're forcing them to work for fucking Amazon or Starbucks or wherever.
The left pisses me off so much sometimes.
I have heard decent tax proposals in terms of transactions on derivatives and stuff in the stock market and sort of market exchanges and that, plus taxing the wealthy, which is another thing.
Yeah, you do need to do that in the United States.
I think in the United States, it's just more of like the financial district itself needs to be just there needs to be so much, so many, like, so much things done in the financial district, from whether regulating the Federal Reserve to more power back into the dollar to trying to get companies to stay in the United States so they pay their taxes, which they're like running in droves to every other country to set up like, what is it, Luxembourg and Ireland, I think is another one.
And they're setting up these corporations.
Yeah, because they're overtaxed.
And then, yeah, just there's so many fucking problems in the financial district that's causing us to lose tax dollars.
It's causing us to increase on prices of things that doesn't need to happen, that can easily be fixed if people just started coming to terms with the fact that sharks need to be treated like sharks.
That's about it.
Fair enough.
I'm going to carry on.
Governor Christie, I want to engage you and Governor Huckabee in a subject that is a big issue in both of your campaigns, and that is entitlement reform.
You say that you, to save the system, you want to raise the retirement age, have to raise the retirement age, and to cut benefits for Social Security and Medicare.
And you say that some of the candidates here on the stage are lying.
Governor Huckabee says he can save Social Security and Medicare without doing any of that.
Is he lying?
No, he's not lying.
He's just wrong.
I mean, so there's a difference.
Listen, I'm the only guy in the state who's put out a detailed 12-point plan on entitlement reform, and here's why.
Because 71% of federal spending right now is on entitlements and debt service.
71%.
And we have spent the last hour and five minutes talking about the other 29% and no time on the 71%.
And that makes no sense.
Now, let me tell you exactly what we would do on Social Security.
Yes, we'd raise the retirement age two years and phase it in over 25 years.
That means we'd raise it one month a year for 25 years when we're all living longer and living better lives.
Secondly, we would means test Social Security for those who are making over $200,000 a year in retirement income and who have $4 to $5 million in liquid assets saved.
They don't need that Social Security check.
Social Security is meant to be to make sure that no one who's worked hard and played by the rules and paid into the system grows old in poverty in America.
If we don't deal with this problem, it will bankrupt our country or lead to massive tax increases, neither one that we want in this country.
Governor Huckabee, you say that changing entitlements, the kind of thing that Governor Christie is talking about, would be breaking a promise to the American people.
And you say that you can keep those programs, save Social Security, save Medicare without those kinds of reforms through a fair tax, which is a broad tax on consumption.
Please explain to Governor Christie how that would work and how you could save these programs without the kind of painful reforms he says we need.
Let's all be reminded: 60 million Americans are on Social Security.
60 million.
A third of those people depend on 90% of their income from Social Security.
Nobody in this country is on Social Security because they made the decision when they were starting work at 14 that they wanted to trust some of their money with the government.
The government took it out of their check whether they wanted them to or not.
And if a person goes to 65, they're going to spend 51 years with the government reaching into their pocket at every paycheck.
Now, here's the point: whose fault is it that the system is screwed up?
Is it the recipients or is it the government?
And if Congress wants to mess with the retirement program, why don't we let them start by changing their retirement program and not have one instead of talking about getting rid of Social Security and Medicare that was robbed $700 billion to pay for Obamacare?
It's always that the government figures that they can do this off the backs of people, many of whom are poor and depend on that money.
And I just think it's fundamentally lying to the people and stealing from them, and we shouldn't be doing it.
Chris?
Okay, I really, really hate the sort of, you know, oh, look, the government's going into your paycheck every month or whatever.
Yeah, and then you'll die, which is why we've got the joke death and taxes, the only two inevitabilities.
I hate fucking crazy libertarian.
Oh, I shouldn't be taxed.
Shit, it's fucking stupid.
I would say that Chris Christie was far worse in terms of the two people that just spoke.
Yeah, I guess he's the guy pushing the notion that what we should do is means test Social Security, which is killing it, essentially.
It's taking money out of the pool.
Yeah, I'm not arguing that Chris Christie is not.
Well, I'm just stating that as a point.
Yeah, that's just sad.
It's not that they're not being taxed.
I think everyone agrees, other than a few anarcho-capitalists, that taxes are necessary.
But the question is, are taxes too high and where is the money going to?
Don't the richest people in your country get like, what's the tax bracket for the richest people?
Shoot.
Let me give you an example, Sorghin.
You win the lotto here in the United States.
Let's say you win $150 million, you'll probably get about $70 million, $60 million around about.
I mean, they take the majority of that.
If you're rich, they take the majority of it.
They take so much money that it is unreal.
For the rich, I'm just Googling it.
I can Google it.
I can actually Google it figure out.
I'm just doing it at the moment.
So on Forbes, the IRS announces 2015 tax brackets, standard deductions amounts, and more.
So if your taxable income is over $413,000, it's $120,000 plus 39.6% of the amount over $413,000.
Well, this is just an anecdote, but like my paycheck, about a fifth of my paycheck goes to taxes.
That's what it used to be.
Now that I got a new job, I'm making a lot of pretty good money.
It's probably even higher.
I haven't seen the stub yet, but I'm probably losing about a fourth of my paycheck.
Right, but I mean, this is actually surprisingly low.
For $400,000, you're only paying about 25% of that amount as tax.
And then anything over $400,000, you're paying just under 40%, which is not enormous.
It's 32.2%, Sargon, that you're talking about.
I was just looking at the first time.
They're doing it by percentages of middle class, lowest, second class, fourth class, then up to the top 1%.
What I mean is taxes in America are very low.
For individuals, yes.
So long as, I mean, if it's you're on the, you know, if you're part of the working class, your taxes are probably going to be a bit high, considering, you know, you don't make much.
More.
Well, yeah, that's the thing, isn't it?
Because, I mean, in the UK, when you get to a certain amount or less, you don't pay tax.
I can't remember what that is off the top of my head, but it's proportional to what you make.
That should be the question here.
But how much are you?
But the chat's already saying it, Sargon.
That's individual tax collections, but that's not state tax.
That's not everything.
So what else is there?
Sorry.
So they're saying it's averaging out near 50%.
Over what value?
And what value for like 20,000, say?
Somebody in chat posted again.
I can't remember who it was because they were going through.
It's going so fat.
42%.
It's after state taxes.
Somebody posted it.
For somebody who makes $32K a year, it's over 42%.
It's around about 60% for anybody who's making.
Fucking hell, it's going so fast.
God damn it.
Let me scroll back up.
Yeah, yeah.
What's your highest 60% average for anybody who's making around 50K to 60K?
Right, okay.
60%.
42% for 32K above in the UK.
Okay.
I know that it gets to state and local income tax plus federal.
So you have to add all three.
So 30.
Jesus, really?
Okay, I didn't know that.
What is the highest tax state in the union?
I have no idea.
It says for individuals, so you're local, I'm assuming you're local, is going to be your average.
It's going to be between, if you're making, if your middle class is 27%, for anybody above that, it's between 30% to 32.2%.
That's just your one.
That's one of them.
So I don't know the other two.
Either way, if you add in the other two, I'm almost positive, Sargon.
52% if you have the highest scale for middle class, 60% around about 60%.
So you're paying average of 60% if you're mad at class or above.
And 90% for the top 1%.
I don't 90% for the top 1%.
Yeah, that's what it's saying.
That's fucking horseshit.
Yeah, I don't believe that.
I don't believe that.
I don't know.
Think it, chat.
Okay, hold on.
Top 10%.
Here we go.
This guy said he's bullshit.
Top 10% pay 68% of federal income, not including estate taxes.
Might be near that.
Might be, because that's not even including state.
I'm just saying that I live in New York, which is one of the most highly taxed parts of the country.
As far as it's one of the top three guaranteed most tax states in the country, and I don't pay anywhere near fucking 50% of my fucking paycheck.
So most of the chat's saying it's 60%, averaging around 60%, no matter what.
Okay, so it's around 60%.
Well, just to be fair, somebody was like 90% for 1%.
That's all I read in chat.
I didn't believe that either.
I'm just telling you what I'm reading.
I mean, there must be like major ways of getting around it then.
Because, yeah, I can't.
I was going to say, plus, we're forgetting the loopholes.
We're forgetting all the loopholes that exist.
There's so much shit, dude.
You know what?
Any of us, anybody here in accounting, we could just fucking crunch numbers all day.
Yeah, but I mean, I'll just sit here and try to figure it out.
I don't know.
So I'm just going to say, chat's giving out so much percentages, it's unreal.
Called the guys economy 1-0.
I'll assume that we just don't know.
Yeah, we'll just say we're all retarded.
Ignore us.
Go ahead.
Yeah, someone in the chat's like, I think it's the 1% pay 90% of the taxes.
Yeah, see?
I've heard that before.
I'm glad that you saw that too, Sargon.
That's where I was reading that from.
But that doesn't mean the 1% get taxed 90%.
That just means they're so rich that the tax they pay pays.
Hey, now they're saying it's 83.2%.
I'm done.
Chat, fuck off.
Here we go.
Here we go.
I'll link it for you.
It's a very reliable source.
Very reliable.
I'm sure Paul will appreciate it.
Slimbaugh.
Rush Slimbaugh.
Jesus Christ.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I'll tweet that source out just so everyone else can see that only the rich pay taxes.
How is he still around?
Has Rush Slimbaugh not been ruined yet?
How do people around?
He's still around.
I actually like him.
I actually listen to him sometimes.
He's pretty interesting.
All right, Calvin.
Really?
All right.
30 seconds.
Yeah, sure.
And I don't disagree with ending Congress's retirement program.
I'm a governor.
I don't have a retirement program in my state.
I don't disagree with that.
But here's the news for the American people.
He's complaining about the lying and stealing.
The lying and stealing has already occurred.
The trust fund is filled with IOUs.
We can't fix the problem just by entering Congress's retirement.
That's worth about this much.
We need to go at the fundamental problem.
And the fundamental problem is that this system is broken.
It has been stolen from.
We have been lied to.
We need a strong leader to tell the truth and fix it.
All right.
This is at 30 seconds finally.
Well, you ask about how we fund it.
One of the reasons that Social Security is in so much trouble is the only funding stream comes from people who get a wage.
The people who get wages is declining dramatically.
Most of the income in this country is made by people at the top who get dividends and capital gains.
The fair tax transforms the process by which we fund Social Security and Medicare because the money paid at consumption is paid by everybody, including illegals, prostitutes, pimps, drug dealers, all the people.
This moron must understand that that's a tax on the poor.
No, you don't.
I mean, he's literally, I mean, he was saying that he's in favor of supporting the poor, and then he's suggesting a sales tax.
Yeah.
Come to New York.
It's outrageous here.
What kind of morning is it?
You're just out of touch.
You just don't get it.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, absolutely.
Must be fucking dumb.
Sorry, freeloading off the system now.
That's why it ought to be a transformed system.
All right, all right enough, mr Trump, getting a little r-rated.
Mr Trump, you talk a lot about how you are the person on this stage to grow the economy.
I want to ask you about your business record.
Trump Corporations Trump corporations, casinos and hotels have declared bankruptcy four times over the last quarter century.
In 2011, you told Forbes magazine this.
I've used the laws of the country to my advantage.
But at the same time, financial experts involved in those bankruptcies say that lenders to your companies lost billions of dollars.
Question, sir.
With that record, why should we trust you to run the nation's business?
Because I have used the laws of this country, just like the greatest people that you read about every day in business, have used the laws of this country, the chapter laws, to do a great job for my company, for myself, for my employees, for my family, etc.
I have never gone bankrupt, by the way.
I have never.
But out of hundreds of deals, sir.
Excuse me.
That's your line, but your companies have gone bankrupt.
What am I saying?
Out of hundreds of deals that I've done, hundreds, on four occasions, I've taken advantage of the laws of this country, like other people.
I'm not going to name their names because I'm not going to embarrass, but virtually every person that you read about on the front page of the business sections, they've used the law.
The difference is when somebody else uses those laws, nobody writes about it.
When I use it, they say, oh, Trump, Trump, Trump.
The fact is, I built a net worth of more than $10 billion.
I have a great, great company.
I employ thousands of people, and I'm very proud of the job I did.
Again, Chris, hundreds and hundreds of deals.
Four times I've taken advantage of the laws, and frankly, so has everybody else in my position.
Well, sir, what are we?
Yeah, I was going to say really quick, does anyone, and I'll definitely say ignorance to this.
I don't really know.
Is it Trump's corporations that went bankrupt, or is it Trump himself that went bankrupt?
I think that's the point he's making.
Well, that's what I don't understand if he's actually telling the truth or not.
Oh, right.
Well, I presume he is.
I presume that would be publicly accessible information that people could verify, so it wouldn't be depressed.
I mean, it doesn't really help too much either way.
I mean, if individual corporations are going bankrupt, that's not a good sign to his business sense.
But it's also a matter of, if he personally went bankrupt, I would say that there's a certain system for really rich in America that he can obviously play.
And like you say, everyone else does it.
It's just that Trump's an impressive person.
People like talking about him.
And so when he does it, like everyone else does it, boom.
You know, he gets fucking flagged for it.
But this, yeah, it's the system that he's playing.
He's not going bankrupt because he's not any good at making money.
Yeah, he's using the laws in the system as it exists to his advantage.
Okay, I'm getting someone telling me that it was his corporations.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Let's just talk about the latest example, which is Trump Entertainment Resorts, which went bankrupt in 2009.
In that case alone, lenders to your company lost over a billion dollars and more than 1,100 people.
Yeah, but Trump is worth 10 billion, you moron.
He's a corrupt businessman who siphoned out this fucking money.
Ah, sorry.
We're laid off.
Is that the way that you run the company?
I'll tell you about the lenders.
First of all, these lenders aren't babies.
These are total killers.
These are not the nice, sweet little people that you think, okay?
You know, I mean, you're living in a world of the make-believe, Chris.
Yeah, that look, man.
That's funny.
But the thing is, Trump's probably telling the truth here.
You know, they're probably really nasty people.
Probably, yeah.
Had the good sense to leave Atlantic City, which, by the way, Caesars just went bankrupt.
Every company, Chris can tell you, every company virtually in Atlantic City.
No one got that.
That was a slight.
That was a total slight against Chris Christie.
Because the economy's in the shitter right now in New Jersey.
But Trump's just explaining how the game's played, though.
Yeah, you let your companies go bankrupt because you've siphoned out loads of fucking money from them.
Every company, and let me just tell you, I had the good sense, and I've gotten a lot of credit in the financial pages.
Seven years ago, I left Atlantic City before it totally cratered, and I made a lot of money in Atlantic City, and I'm very proud of it.
I want to tell you that.
Very, very proud of it.
So, by the way, this country right now owes $19 trillion, and they need somebody like me to straighten out that mess.
Senator Rubio.
You know, if Trump wasn't so crazy, I'd expect him to catch a bullet at some point.
Because, you know, he strikes me as the sort of person who might actually do something crazy.
He might actually fix the problems.
Holy shit.
There are a lot of people invested in that problem.
Yeah.
There's a reason that Huey Long got fucking shot.
You know what I mean?
It's, you know, these are people who will do things, man.
You know, fucking, you can't fuck around with these people, though.
Senator Rubio, more than 3,000 people sent us questions about the economy and jobs on Facebook.
And here is a video question from Tanya Cialco from Philadelphia.
Here she is.
Please describe one action you would do to make the economic environment more favorable for small businesses and entrepreneurs and anyone dreaming of opening their own business.
That's a great question.
Senator, how do you answer Tanya?
That's a great question.
First of all, it begins by having leaders that recognize that the economy we live in today is dramatically different from the one we had five years ago.
It's an economy that now has placed us in global competition with dozens of other countries around the world.
Now, the big companies that have connections with Washington, they can affect policies to help them.
But the small companies like the one Tanya's talking about, they're the ones that are struggling.
The first thing we need to do is we need to even out the tax code for small businesses so that we lower their tax rate to 25%, just as we need to lower it for all businesses.
We need to have a regulatory budget in America that limits the amount of regulations on our economy.
We need to repeal and replace Obamacare.
And we need to improve higher education so that people can have access to the skills they need for 21st century jobs.
And last but not least, we need to repeal Dodd-Frank.
It is eviscerating small businesses and small banks.
Over 40% of small and mid-sized banks that loan money to small businesses have been wiped out since Dodd-Frank has passed.
We need to repeal and replace Dodd-Frank.
We need to make America fair again for all businesses, but especially those being run by small business owners.
Senator Rubio, thank you.
Any opinions there?
Go fuck yourself.
I think he was a bit nud on point.
He said that the situation now is very much different than five years ago, and that suddenly America is in a sort of rivalry with so many other countries.
Yeah, it's so stupid.
The thing is, America has been in rivalry with so many other countries since like 1946, to be honest.
No, no, no, no.
I even wouldn't say that.
I would say that this is a direct result of NAFTA, which a few years ago, hey, it wasn't Obama that did it.
It wasn't George W. Bush that signed fucking NAFTA.
It was during the Clinton administration.
That's when the fucking wheel went off.
Like, that was it.
That's when globalization occurred.
And this is the direct result of it.
So it's just a matter of, like, this is a moment where they could attack Clinton, but they know they can't because I honestly don't think that anyone on that stage really is against NAFTA.
I don't think that any of them are in favor of American protectionism when it comes to the economy.
No, I agree.
I just don't.
The thing is, I don't think that it's necessarily something that's going to realistically be possible.
Honestly, I think this whole sort of globalization thing, I think it's inevitable.
You know, TPP, TTPIP, whatever it is.
I mean, these things in the new Treaty of Westphalia, get used to them.
Ooh, good comparison.
I know.
I know, man.
Seriously, that's what they are.
You've got to understand the cycle of history.
We're going on to bigger and a different form of fucking existence.
Just like that, you know, nationalism replaced fucking whatever, fucking feudalism and whatnot.
You know, it's the next stage that we're going to.
And the problem is that it's being done by a bunch of fucking cunts behind closed doors.
It would be fine if we did it out in the open because there would be restrictions, there would be entitlements for workers and all this sort of stuff.
But that's all going to be killed because it's going to be done behind closed doors for the benefit of corporations, for the benefit of the very, very top.
And yeah, boom.
Only with a small difference.
I think that we already are knee-deep, even waist-deep into globalization.
Oh, yeah.
And those treaties, NAFTA, TPIP, and so on and so forth.
Yeah.
They are the public faces of globalization, but that doesn't change the fact that we already exist in such an interdependent system where one country's crash can crash the entirety of the world economy.
So who gives a shit about those treaties, to be honest?
Yeah, it's one of those things.
Honestly, I don't think it's something that we can reverse, and I don't think it's something you can avoid.
So I think you've just got to, you know, look to the future more positively.
And like, what, you know, we need to be the ones demanding that these deals are drawn up in public.
You know, it's so dangerous that I can't imagine why anyone would be okay with them being drawn up in private.
I just, it's insane.
And it's the new future that they're designing.
So, you know, it's crazy.
We're fucked if we let it go as it is.
I just don't see that my point in this, because I know that there are people saying a lot of shit in the chat right now.
I just don't understand what the point is of a bill, of a trade bill, that has a direct effect on the nation that is not at all positive.
Because corporations aren't national entities.
But that's the point here.
If this is a point of a presidential fucking policy, if this is the point of we're deciding candidates based on our fucking national economy, this should be based simply on a national standpoint.
It should not be dependent on other nations.
We shouldn't be able to.
But do you know that the corporations buy and sell your policy?
Again, I'm just saying.
That's why Trump is such an unusual case.
He doesn't need their money.
That's the big difference, isn't it?
But anyway, I'll carry on to see where he's going.
Other question for a few of you.
Yesterday, just yesterday, President Obama criticized Republican lawmakers trying to block the Iran deal, calling them knee-jerk partisans, adding that hardliners in Iran who chant death to America were, quote, making common cause with the Republican caucus.
Here's what two of your opponents on the 5 p.m. debate stage said about Iran.
I will tell you one thing.
I would a whole lot rather had Carly Fiorina over there doing our negotiation than John Kerry.
Maybe we would have gotten a deal where we didn't give everything away.
But the issue for us is to have a Congress that stands up and says not only no, but hell no to this money going to a regime that is going to use it for terror.
When America does not lead, the world is a dangerous and a tragic place.
This is a bad deal.
Obama broke every rule of negotiation.
Yes, our allies are not perfect, but Iran is at the heart of most of the evil that is going on in the Middle East through their proxy.
Now, I want to ask a few of you this.
First, Governor Walker, you've said that you would tear up the Iran deal on day one.
If this deal is undone, what then?
Well, first off, let's remember.
I still remember as a kid tying a yellow ribbon around the tree in front of my house during the 444 days that I ran, held 52 Americans hostage.
Iran is not what you should be doing.
Sorry?
Oh, King of Paul just got doxxed, apparently.
Just a heads up.
I doubt it's real.
It's probably fake.
They've already been doxxed anyway, man.
They did it on a Game of Game board.
that's smart fucking that's that's genius Well done, guys.
Well done, DZ Revolt.
You can see why everyone thinks you're fucking toxic.
You can see why everyone thinks of you as a cancer now, can't you?
You fucking morons.
Why the fuck would you be doing this?
It's not even a dox.
It's just an IP address.
I haven't looked.
I don't know what it fucking is.
I haven't looked.
But if, you know, why even saying it?
It's just fucking morons, honestly.
Well, it's got his latitude and longitude also, so maybe it is.
It's at his house, okay.
Brilliant.
Just the Swiss.
Those plus?
Sorry, say again?
I'm kind of confused.
There's just this one picture.
There's just a screenshot.
How do you get those data out of a screenshot?
He didn't.
He was doxed like last year, so they probably just used the old info.
Oh, okay.
Terminate the deal on day one.
You reinstate the sanctions authorized by Congress.
You go to Congress and put in place even more crippling sanctions in place.
And then you convince our allies to do the same.
This is not just bad with Iran.
This is bad with ISIS.
It is tied together.
And once and for all, we need a leader who's going to stand up and do something about it.
It's yet another example of the failed foreign policy of the Obama-Clinton doctrine.
Senator Paul, would you tear up the deal on day one?
I oppose the Iranian deal and will vote against it.
I don't think that the president negotiated from a position of strength, but I don't immediately discount negotiations.
I'm a Reagan conservative.
Reagan did negotiate with the Soviets.
But you have to negotiate from a position of strength.
And I think President Obama gave away too much too early.
If there's going to be a negotiation, you're going to have to believe somehow that the Iranians are going to comply.
And I asked this question to John Kerry.
I said, do you believe they're trustworthy?
And he said, no.
And I said, well, how are we going to get them to comply?
I would have never released the sanctions before there was consistent evidence of compliance.
Governor Huckabee, what do you think about it?
Okay, that was a great answer.
Yeah, I agree with him.
I liked how reasonable he seemed.
That was very well done, Rand.
If you could have been more like that throughout the rest of it, I wouldn't think you're a dick.
So we get to go, yeah?
Yep.
Cool.
What Senator Paul just said.
Ronald Reagan said, trust but verify.
President Obama is trust but zilify.
He trusts our enemies and vilifies everyone who disagrees with him.
And the reason we disagree with him has nothing to do with party.
It has to do with the incredibly dangerous place that this world is going to be as a result of a deal in which we got nothing.
I think they make a good point.
You shouldn't really judge all of GG Revolt by the actions of one guy, especially since the mods there will remove any doxes that get posted.
I reported it and so did one other guy.
There's all GG Revolt and Gimmaged HQ and so on and so forth.
Come on, guys.
We're still fighting the same fight.
It's.
Come on, let's just chip those together.
I don't understand all this conflict, to be honest.
Yeah, we should all.
I mean, I really think that.
Well, it goes both ways.
I mean, they need to stop attacking each other and focus on the enemy.
The SJWs, the cultural Marxists, the feminists, the corrupt journalists that they protect.
Absolutely.
Okay, let's carry on then.
Nothing.
And Iran gets everything they want.
We said we would have anywhere, anytime negotiations and inspections.
We gave that up.
We said that we would make sure that they didn't have any nuclear capacity.
We gave that up.
The president can't tell us what we got.
I'll tell you what the world got.
The world has a burgeoning nuclear power that didn't, as the Soviets, say we might defend ourselves in a war.
What the Iranians have said is we will wipe Israel off the face of the map and we will bring death to America.
When someone points Okay, I don't think that's actually Iranian foreign policy.
Does anyone have an opinion on this?
Because I think this is bollocks.
Well, I think Iran wants to eliminate Israel for sure.
You want to go ahead?
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, but that's in the same way that the United States wants to eliminate ISIS.
You know, whether it's going to happen or not is a completely different thing.
Iran is.
It's not an irrational actor.
I don't know.
I think it is.
No, not at all, man.
Not at all.
I think it is a rogue general to take over the country.
And it was completely rational that they would have a revolution against the American-backed regime, okay?
Hey, British back too, don't lie.
It doesn't matter, but we want the power then, and fuck, it doesn't even matter, right?
The point is, it was a foreign fucking regime, a foreign dictator, a king, right?
And then they had a religious revolution against him.
And now they have elections.
So it's not irrational, right?
And it's absolutely not irrational for them to want nuclear power.
A, it's a good source of energy.
And B, the only people who don't get fucking invaded are nuclear states.
So, and they are shit scared of Americans invading them.
There's no getting around it.
So what they're doing is not irrational at all.
I would want a nuclear weapon if I were Iran.
You know, just saying, you know.
Oh, I know.
I actually had to represent.
Remember, I studied it for two years, foreign policy.
And I actually had to represent Iran in our not the model UN, but it was basically a scenario.
I actually caused World War III.
I got nuclear weapons from Russia and secured them a private trade deal with.
It was just a nightmare.
I actually caused World War III.
By the end of the scenario, the United States and NATO were actually bombing Russia.
So I fucked up.
Yeah, I'm really of the opinion that Iran is unfairly maligned.
I'm not saying Iran's in any way good.
They fund a lot of terrorism, blah, blah, blah.
So do the Saudi Arabians.
Yeah, exactly.
So do the Saudis.
You know, it's a state.
You know, they do do things like that.
A gun at your head and loads it.
By God, you ought to take them seriously, and we need to take that seriously.
Thank you, gentlemen.
Well, the first debate night of the 2016 presidential campaign continues from Cleveland after a short time out.
Stick around.
Social issues.
Next.
Woo!
Planned Parenthood while you were a director.
All right, I'm back.
Sorry, but how could you not know about these well-publicized donations?
And if you did know, how many of you have to do it?
King of docks.
King of docks got doxed.
I got doxxed again.
See, this is why.
This is fun.
That's not fucking funny.
This is why.
Never mind.
Go on.
I joined the Bloomberg Foundation because of Mike Bloomberg's shared commitment for meaningful education reform.
That's why I was on it.
We never had a debate about the budget.
It was presented and we approved it, not item by item.
Here's my record.
As governor of the state of Florida, I defunded Planned Parenthood.
I created a culture of life in our state.
We were the only state to appropriate money for crisis pregnancy centers.
We expanded dramatically the number of adoptions out of our foster care system.
We created, we did parental notification laws.
We ended partial birth abortion.
We did all of this, and we were the first state to do a choose life license plate.
Now 29 states have done it, and tens of millions of dollars have gone to create a culture where more people, more babies are adopted.
Did you know?
No, I didn't know, but it doesn't matter.
I was working on this board because of the education.
My record is clear.
My record as a pro-life governor is not in dispute.
I am completely pro-life, and I believe that we should have a culture of life.
It's informed by my faith from beginning to end.
I suppose this is where we get to the proper Republican stuff, right?
Conventional Republican, I guess.
Yeah.
Social conservative Republican.
There are several different factions within the Republican Party.
Libertarian, fiscal.
This is the social legislative.
This is what people expect from Republicans.
I did this not just.
Sorry?
That's a stereotype, really.
Well, yeah, but people are looking at.
Yeah.
As it related to unborn babies, I did it at the end-of-life issues as well.
This is something that goes way beyond politics, and I hope one day that we get to the point where we respect life in its fullest form across the board.
Senator Rubio.
You favor a rape and incest exception to abortion bans.
Cardinal Timothy Dolan of New York just said yesterday those exceptions are preposterous.
He said they discriminate against an entire class of human beings.
If you believe that life begins at conception, as you say you do, how do you justify ending a life just because it begins violently through no fault of the baby?
Well, Megan, first of all, I'm not sure that that's a correct assessment of my record.
I would go on to add that I believe all people...
You don't favor a rape and an incest.
I've never said that, and I have never advocated that.
What I have advocated is that we pass a law in this country that says all human life at every stage of its development is worthy of protection.
In fact, I think that law already exists.
It's called the Constitution of the United States.
And let me go further.
I believe that every single human being is entitled to the protection of our laws, whether they can vote or not, whether they can speak or not, whether they can hire a lawyer or not, whether they have a birth certificate or not.
And I think future generations will look back at this history of our country and call us barbarians for murdering millions of babies who we never gave them a chance to live.
Mr. Trump.
See, this is.
I don't think we have anything to say to that.
Yeah, but no, I kind of do that.
This is.
You know, there are a lot of things I can agree with the Conservatives.
But when they start going on about fucking God decrees life begins at conception, they lose me completely.
And there's no way I would vote for them based on these policies.
That's the problem.
You know, obviously I'm not going to vote for these people, but you know what I mean?
Like, you know, I think there are a lot of people who, if you hadn't started talking about this subject, they probably would have been with them.
You know, but as soon as you get, no, no, I'm not.
I don't want your God-bothering nonsense, you know?
Maybe it's just me.
Sargon, you just revealed your power level.
You said there's a lot I agree with the conservatives on.
That will be taken out of context and played across Gamer Ghazi in all SCW circles until time ends, basically.
Yeah, that's because progressives just...
They've got no...
I mean, I'm not saying I'm a great economist or anything, but at least I understand something about the economy.
But they don't understand anything about the fucking economy.
That's yeah, what happened?
Wait, listen up, Sargon, okay?
Okay.
My pronouns are more important than any shitty economy.
You fucking shitlord.
Okay?
Sorry, Dan.
Is this why we were gassing with Jesus?
Oh, come on.
We know the Holocaust is a lie.
I mean, oh, God.
I gotta stop you.
1999, you said you were, quote, very pro-choice, even supporting partial birth abortion.
You favored an assault weapons ban as well.
In 2004, you said in most cases you identified as a Democrat.
Even in this campaign, your critics say you often sound more like a Democrat than a Republican.
Trump's face, holy shit.
Yeah, but that argument.
Oh, you sound more like a Democrat than a Republican.
Oh, man, this is exactly what the fucking SAW says.
You sound like a conservative.
Well, maybe they're conservative.
Maybe policies on fucking like, you know, certain things are good.
You know, maybe their policies and other things are bad.
For the love of fucking God.
Don't worry, that's not going to be his answer.
Like several of your opponents on this stage, things like clowns and puppets.
When did you actually become a Republican?
Fair and balance.
I don't think they like me very much.
I'll tell you what.
I've evolved on many issues over the years, and you know who else has?
It's Ronald Reagan evolved.
Just for a quick question, I am what he would do as a president.
You notice how every question everyone else has asked is what they would do with the ISIS stuff and the IRA.
Have you noticed they barely have done that?
Yeah, actual questions.
First one was like, you're sexist.
The second one was like, you bankrupt.
What was the other one?
You donate to everyone.
You're rich.
Now this one is just like, you used to be a Democrat.
Now you're conservative.
You know, explain yourself.
It's like, it has nothing to do with what he's going to do.
Once you ask him what his policies are.
Well, yeah, it's character assassination.
And actually, it's about ethics and character assassination.
Exactly.
The great thing about Trump, though, is he's so fucking charismatic and he's so I don't give a fuck that he's killing it.
It's not working.
Yeah, it's just going to make him more popular.
What was the result?
When the poll's done where you've got like 42% of people saying, yeah, I really like Trump.
And it's like, you know, he's...
He comes out as a badass in this.
He actually...
He's actually answering the attack questions in such a way that he's actually dominating it.
Exactly.
It's fucking brilliant.
It's so entertaining to watch.
Usually the politicians are squirming and they're like, oh, well, you know, I didn't mean it like that.
No, this guy just goes, fuck it.
It's their strategy is all wrong.
They want him to backpedal.
Want him to sort of back down from his position and sort of like retreat to where he starts to apologize for not being conservative.
It's not working.
It's never going to fucking work.
It's like, Roger Ailes, like, what the fuck is wrong with you?
Get your shit together.
This isn't working.
If you're going to host these fucking things, don't do that.
Like, they don't want this guy to be the candidate.
They obviously don't want this guy to be the candidate.
But they're doing the absolute counterproductive thing.
It's just stupid.
The guy starts with Hillary.
They just don't know where they're going wrong.
You know?
To look at the question.
I was in business.
They asked me a question as to pro-life or choice.
And I said, if you let it run, that I hate the concept of abortion.
I hate the concept of abortion.
And then since then, I've very much evolved.
And what happened is friends of mine years ago were going to have a child, and it was going to be aborted.
And it wasn't aborted.
And that child today is a total superstar, a great, great child.
And I saw that, and I saw other instances.
And I am very, very proud to say that I am pro-life.
As far as being a Republican is concerned, I come from a place in New York City, which is virtually, I mean, it's almost exclusively Democrat.
And I have really started to see some of the negatives as an example.
And I have a lot of liking for this man, but the last number of months of his brother's administration were a catastrophe.
And unfortunately, those few months gave us President Obama, and you can't be happy about that.
Governor Bush, I want to ask you, on the subject of name-calling.
That was actually a pretty good answer.
Yeah, not bad, yeah.
You know, but not.
He held his own.
That's the point, though.
He held his own.
Yeah, he didn't back down.
But the thing is, that's a good answer for people who aren't Republicans.
You know, that's the point.
I think that, well, maybe not the point, but that's what he did, whether he meant it or not.
You know, the Republicans, well, okay, he's not backing down, fine.
But people outside that are thinking, well, he's not a crazy ass Republican.
You know, maybe I'd vote for this guy.
Your fellow candidates, a story appeared today quoting an anonymous GOP donor who said, you called Mr. Trump a clown, a buffoon, something else that cannot be repeated on television.
None of which is true.
No, it's not true.
But I have said that Mr. Trump's language is divisive.
I want to win.
I want one of these people here, or the ones at 5 o'clock, to be the next president of the United States.
We're not going to win by doing what Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton do each and every day, dividing the country, saying creating a grievance kind of environment.
We're going to win when we unite people with a hopeful, optimistic message.
I have that message because I was a governor of state that saw people lifted up because we had high sustained economic growth.
Our economy grew at double the rate of the nation.
We created 1.3 million jobs.
We led the nation seven out of those eight years.
We were only one of two states that went to triple-A bond rating.
I cut taxes $19 billion.
If you do that and apply conservative principles the right way, you create an environment where everybody rises up.
That's how we're going to win.
Campaigning in places to give people hope that their life is better because too many people are suffering today in America.
Mr. Charles, 302.
Well, first of all, Jeff, I am very happy that you denied that, and I appreciate that very much.
I mean, he's a true gentleman.
He really is.
The one thing he did say about, and I mean that, the one thing he did say about me, however, was my tone.
And I also understand that.
But when you have people that are cutting Christians' heads off, when you have a world at the border and at so many places that it's medieval times, we've never, it's almost got to be as bad as it ever was in terms of the violence and the horror.
We don't have time for tone.
We have to go out and get the job done.
Subject of gay marriage and religious liberty.
Oh, shit.
Well, he's more believable than Ted Cruz, I suppose, isn't he?
I really buy it.
I really buy that Trump really means what he's saying.
Yeah, I do.
I think that's why he's so popular, frankly.
It's actually not as bad as it's ever been.
It's actually a lot better than it's ever been, really.
It's just people forget.
Okay, so if you had a son or daughter who was gay or lesbian, how would you explain to them your opposition to same-sex marriage?
Well, look, I'm an old-fashioned person here, and I happen to believe in traditional marriage.
But I've also said the court has ruled.
How would you explain?
Megan, the court has ruled, and I said we'll accept it.
And guess what?
I just went to a wedding of a friend of mine who happens to be gay.
Because somebody doesn't think the way I do doesn't mean that I can't care about them or can't love them.
So if one of my daughters happened to be that, of course I would love them and I would accept them.
Because you know what?
That's what we're taught when we have strong.
So.
Sorry, Second.
This is, I mean, just listen to this.
This is a great moment for if you're a Republican from Ohio.
Oh, yeah.
This is a great moment.
Fantastic answer.
Literally couldn't be a better answer.
Yeah.
And the crowd response is what I enjoy the most.
They fucking cheer him on.
Yeah.
And again, it's non-partisan.
You know, it's anyone looking at this from no matter what party you vote for.
You say, okay, that's a positive point.
Issues like that, issues like that are planned to divide us.
I think the simple fact of the matter is, and this is where I would agree with Jeb, and I've been saying it all along, we need to give everybody a chance, treat everybody with respect, and let them share in this great American dream that we have, Megan.
So, look, I'm going to love my daughters.
I'm going to love them no matter what they do.
Because, you know what?
God gives me unconditional love.
I'm going to give it to my family and my friends and the people around me.
Senator Paul.
That smile, man, he knew he did a good job.
Yeah, that was his best moment in the whole fucking debate.
Yeah, easy.
You can see it.
You can see it.
And you can see how he knew it as well.
Yeah.
In the wake of the Supreme Court's ruling on same-sex marriage, Carol Fox on Facebook wants to know the following.
Quote, what will you do to ensure Christians are not prosecuted for speaking out against gay marriage?
And will Christians be forced to conduct business that conflicts with their religious beliefs?
Look, I don't want my marriage or my guns registered in Washington.
Oh, snap.
That's the department.
Perfect one for Rand Paul.
His knees are getting wet right now.
Just it's fucking over with.
He's won it.
Fucking response.
Yeah, why even carry on?
People have an opinion.
It's a religious opinion that is hardly felt.
Obviously, they should be allowed to practice that, and no government should interfere with them.
One of the things that really got to me was the thing in Houston where you had the government, the mayor, actually trying to get the sermons of ministers.
When the government tries to invade the church to enforce its own opinion on marriage, it's time to resist.
Governor Walker.
Many of the Black Lives Matter movement and beyond believe that overly aggressive police officers targeting young African Americans is the civil rights issue of our time.
Do you agree?
And if so, how do you plan to address it?
If not, why not?
Well, I think the most important thing we can do when it comes to policing is something you've had a guest on who's a friend of mine, Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clark, who's talked to me many times about this in the past.
It's about training.
It's about making sure that law enforcement professionals, not only on the way in to their positions, but all the way through their time, have the proper training, particularly when it comes to use of force, and that we protect and stand up and support those men and women who are doing their jobs in law enforcement.
And for the very few that don't, that there are consequences to show that we treat everyone the same here in America.
Thank you.
Okay, who wants to touch that?
All lives matter.
Can I say something really unpopular?
That is actually counterproductive.
It ultimately depends.
I mean, as far as I understand it, libertarians are concerned with over-policing and militarization of police.
As far as I know, libertarians can see that as a thing to be concerned with.
I think there's...
Dude.
Hey, Saga.
Go ahead, Saga.
Go first.
Well, yeah, the Black Lives Matter thing, right?
I don't like the people taking part in it, but they do have a point when it's like, yeah, but All Lives Matter.
It's like, yeah, okay.
You know, that's true.
But it's not necessarily, you know, that doesn't negate the statement of Black Lives Mattering.
So why, you know, yeah, that's true.
It's part of All Lives Mattering that Black Lives Matter.
You know, so that, you know, you can't just say that as some sort of counterpoint.
It's not a counterpoint.
Well, they're saying that only Black Lives Matter being.
But they use excessive force with everyone, not just black people, trust me.
Yeah, I'm sure they do, but they are being targeted disproportionately.
No, no, hang on down.
Maybe not disproportionate to the number of crimes they commit, but disproportionate to population size, which is what they're measuring it on.
So, you know, I'm not saying that, you know, this doesn't have an explanation or anything like that.
But what, you know, saying, oh, all lives matter doesn't counteract what they're saying.
So, you know, it doesn't change anything either.
You know, it's, I mean, it's, it, I, I would, I could see how it could be an issue to people.
You know, I, it's just putting myself in their position.
I could see how it could be an issue.
Um, and it's not, I don't think it's an indictment of the police necessarily.
Sorry, that's, um, yeah, and it's not to say that, you know, they didn't do nothing, because that's another, it's just about the fucking nuance of the situation that is really difficult to capture, I guess.
Because as soon as you're like, well, it's not entirely that way, is it?
Then I think, oh, you're all entirely on the other side.
Well, no, you know, there are a lot of factors, clearly.
But anyway, I'll carry on from non-Oh, Sargon.
There's one thing.
Apparently, some guy from Paul sent me a DM.
He says, can I come on the stream?
So that's up to you.
I don't know who this guy is.
So it's yours.
The answer is no.
Okay.
Hang out more of our debate, including questions about President Obama's foreign policy and these guys and their better ideas.
Coming up.
I was going to say positive really quick here.
I was also going to say, in terms of race, in terms of police, I would say that there is more of a class issue as well in terms of who's being targeted.
Because if you're some poor schmuck, bro, you got no one to turn to in terms of getting your fucking ass beat or potentially getting shot.
I imagine people fall into the lower class as well, don't they?
Yeah, yeah.
And the police are obviously going to target the lower class disproportionately anyway.
So you're going to end up with more black people.
So it's not like, like I said, it's not an indictment of the police.
But that doesn't change the end result for the people who are suffering their depredations.
Plus, I was also going to say is that one of the good things, at least to come out of situations such as Ferguson, was that the police department in my local area immediately reacted to that and they went to the county legislature and they demanded that they be allowed to wear body cameras and they wanted more surveillance within themselves, their patrol cars.
And basically, they wanted to get ahead of this.
And they wanted to prove that they're for the community despite what someone's racist.
So I think that there are police departments that are taking this on, and they're doing so responsibly, and they deserve a lot of respect for that.
And I'm proud to say that my own community has done that as a response.
I know that loads of people are like, oh, that means that the black people didn't do anything.
No, that's not what anyone's saying.
And this is the thing.
If you can't get past saying that as a knee-jerk reaction, then nothing will ever be fixed.
And yeah, I'm a fucking lefty.
So I guess that's why I'm saying this.
Anyway, let's carry on.
Welcome back to Cleveland.
Our next topic is foreign policy.
Candidates, you may not have seen the late developing news today.
Our Fox Pentagon team broke earlier this evening about a top Iranian general traveling to Moscow to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
His name is General Qasim Suleimani.
He's blamed for hundreds of U.S. troops' deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan.
His trip to Russia appears to directly violate UN Security Council resolutions to confine him to Iran.
So, Mr. Trump, if you were president, how would you respond to this?
I would be so different from what you have right now, like the polar opposite.
We have a president who doesn't have a clue.
I would say he's incompetent, but I don't want to do that because that's not nice.
But if you look at the deals we make, whether it's the nuclear deal with 24-hour periods, and by the way, before you get to the 24 hours, you have to go through a system.
You look at Sergeant Bergdahl, we get Bergdahl, a traitor, and they get five of the big great killers leaders that they want.
We have people in Washington that don't know what they're doing.
Now, I agree.
Now, with Iran, we're making a deal.
You would say, we want him.
We want him.
We want our prisoners.
We want all these things.
We don't get anything.
We're giving them $150 billion plus.
They are going to be, I'll tell you what.
If Iran was a stock, you folks should go out and buy it right now because you'll quadruple.
What's happened in Iran is a disgrace, and it's going to lead to destruction in large portions of the world.
Another new development today.
Senior defense officials tell Fox they strongly suspect Russia was behind a cyber attack on the chairman of the Joint Chief's Office, Emmy.
This comes in the wake of the Director of National Intelligence blaming the Chinese for the largest ever cyber attack, stealing personal data of tens of millions of Americans.
Senator Cruz, in your view, have Russia and China committed acts of cyber war?
Oh, we know that they did it then.
It's just the fucking degree to which they did.
Fucking, it's an accusation, dipshit.
And if you were president, what would you do about it?
Well, Brad.
Can you pause real quick?
I was just going to say that right now, many of our allies, including just recently Japan, are pissed to shit with us because we've been hacking the fuck out of them and tapping even their most highest echelon of their politicians.
Yeah, yeah.
It's not to say that I, you know, at all I'm making an excuse for China or Russia had assuming they've done this.
Well, yeah, but like, we assuming they did it, assuming they did it.
It's just a matter of like, I mean, there are essential opponents in the world, and we're fucking tapping our own allies to no end.
Yeah, I know.
Cyber warfare is just endemic.
Yeah.
I saw a thing.
They were saying that nothing classified was leaked.
So it's like, well, that's conveniently crappy stuff.
Yeah, I was about to say, I was about to say that's pretty convenient.
Yeah, exactly.
You know, it's just stuff that's okay to be leaked.
Oh, well, I'm good.
You know, what fucking productive league.
Over the last six and a half years, we've seen the consequences of the Obama-Clinton foreign policy.
Leading from behind is a disaster.
We have abandoned and alienated our friends and allies.
It's normally called following Ted.
And our enemies are stronger.
Radical Islam is on the rise.
Russia's on the verge of equality.
The reason he said leading from behind, that's actually a pretty common right-wing talking point in the U.S.
Yeah.
It's that, yeah, this is not just a one-off thing.
This is a common common talking point.
Really?
Yeah, people actually say lead from behind behind the street.
It has been for years, too.
They're basically calling Obama a cuck.
The Democrats are too weak to lead America.
Yes, that's the argument.
That is the argument being made.
Yes.
Oh, that is so sad.
I'm going to say it out loud.
Okay, I'm sorry, King of Pole.
And please stop, Doc.
Don't yell at me.
Don't, don't, don't.
Dude, why?
Can we just focus on the stream and have a good time, man?
Why would you do that, man?
They're listening to it.
I was going to tell them to.
No, don't do that, man.
Don't ruin Sargon's stream with that shit, man.
There's a reason why I didn't talk about it.
Yeah, well, yeah.
That's not appropriate.
Just don't.
Yeah, he's just quit.
Which maybe is probably a good thing.
Firing a nuclear weapon.
China is waging cyber warfare against America.
Russia, General Soleimani, you just mentioned, the Iranian general, is the head of the Al-Qubs forces.
He's directly responsible for the murder of over 500 American servicemen in Iraq.
And part of this Iranian deal was lifting the international sanctions on General Soleimani.
The day General Soleimani flew back from Moscow to Iran was the day we believe that Russia used cyber warfare against the Joint Chiefs.
We need a new commander-in-chief that will stand up to our enemies and that will have credibility.
It is worth emphasizing that Iran released our hostages in 1981, the day Ronald Reagan was sworn into office.
Dr. Carson, in August of 2012, President...
Was anyone actually listening to him there?
Yeah.
Yeah, I was listening to that.
I honestly think that I speculating on my part, it may be a measure by radicals in Iran to try to fuck the deal between the United States and Iran right now.
Maybe that I'm wholly wrong about that, but that's what I took away from it was it's just a measure to undermine our attempts to strike a deal.
Fair enough.
Obama famously declared that if Syrian President Bashr al-Assad used chemical weapons, quote, that's a red line for us and that there would be enormous consequences.
One year later, with overwhelming evidence that Assad had, in fact, used chemical weapons and crossed that red line, President Obama declined to use military force against the Assad regime.
As president, would you have used military force there?
Well, what we have to stop and think about is the fact that we have weakened ourselves militarily to such an extent that it affects all of our military policies.
Our Navy is at its smallest size since 1917.
Our Air Force since 1940.
In recent testimony, the Commandant of the Marine Corps said half of the non-deployed units were not ready.
And the sequester is cutting the heart.
out of our personnel.
Our generals are retiring because they don't want to be part of this.
And at the same time, our enemies are increasing.
Our friends can't trust us anymore.
Ukraine was a nuclear armed state.
They gave away their nuclear arms with the understanding that we would protect them.
We won't even give them offensive weapons.
We turn our back on Israel, our ally.
And in a situation like that, of course Obama's not going to be able to do anything.
I would shore up our military first because if you don't get the military right, nothing else is going to work.
Governor Walker, as president.
Sorry, what was this?
Sorry, go on.
I was just going to say, notice we're not talking about the national debt anymore.
But go ahead.
Yeah, no.
So I was kind of reading Twitter when he was starting to say that.
Who is he worried about shoring up the military against?
Our enemies in order to project strength throughout the world, basically.
Yeah, he seems to be fighting the last war, doesn't he?
Okay.
What would you do if Russian President Vladimir Putin started a campaign to destabilize NATO allies, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, mirroring the actions Putin took at the early days of Ukraine?
Well, first off, per the cyber attack with Russia the other day.
It's sad to think right now, but probably the Russian and Chinese government know more about Hillary Clinton's email server than do the members of the United States Congress.
And that has put our national security at risk.
If I'm president, he won't think about that.
You know, Putin believes in the old Lenin adage that you probe with bayonets.
When you find mush, you push.
When you find steel, you stop.
Under Obama and Clinton, we found a lot of mush over the last few years.
We need to have a national security that puts steel in front of our enemies.
I would send weapons to Ukraine.
I would work with NATO to put forces on the eastern border of Poland and the Baltic nations.
And I would reinstate, put in place back in the missile defense system that we had in Poland and in the Czech Republic.
Governor Huckabee, the culture of the American military is...
Thank you.
So since I've been traveling Europe quite a bit, I visited a few Eastern European countries as well.
And this is exactly why the people there fucking hate America.
What is the main shit guns there?
He just said we would just restart our missile defense shield.
We would just reactivate the sides in Poland in the Czech Republic, period.
He didn't say we'd negotiate about it.
He didn't say we would ask about it.
We do it.
We'd do it, period.
And they would be on the front lines.
Yeah, holy moly, guys.
Ever heard of state sovereignty when we're talking only about the money?
We are the hegemon of the world.
You can shut the fuck up.
Yeah, I don't think you will understand.
We are the hegemon of the world.
Shut the fuck up.
True.
That's pretty much the way it works right now.
Well, American decline, man.
Not for long anymore.
No, liar, you shut the fuck up.
On the flip side of that, how is your Chinese layman?
Just out of interest.
Exactly.
Not great.
You know, I kind of prefer the Americans being the hegemon.
Just because When I tell them how much of a bunch of dicks they are, they understand what I'm saying.
Couldn't agree more.
Couldn't agree more, Sargon.
And I've got plenty of criticisms of America, you know what I mean?
The thing is, it's looking kind of bleak for them as a hegemonic power, to be honest.
Oh, yeah, they've fucked it up really, but you know, what do you expect?
They're new to this.
Yeah.
Are you talking about the Chinese boomtown economy?
Are you related to us?
We're talking about the American hegemony of the world.
No, I always point this back to China.
I would say that their economy is a boomtown and it's not going to continue.
No, no, no, no, no.
What we're saying is that you don't know how to manage people as an empire.
Oh, well, probably not, but shut the fuck up.
We're doing it anyways.
There we go.
And that's what you're going to do.
We're putting another fucking face in fucking Germany and the UK just for you saying that right now.
It's happening.
It's on the way.
This is the thing.
Look, right, you can't oppress a billion people with like 50 people unless you're the British and you've got good diplomacy.
So that's where you guys are wrong.
You're never going to conquer India with that kind of attitude.
We'll just ship you guys more jeans.
That'll fix it.
Exactly.
You'll have to buy them.
I'm going to get out of here, Sargon.
I got to deal with a lot.
And I've got to still go to the gym.
Okay, man.
Appreciate you having me on, man.
Yeah, thanks for that.
I hope it's leg day, you figured.
It actually is leg day.
I got to go do chess and deadlift stuff, but I got to deal with this whole phone situation.
My phone won't stop ringing.
So have a good one.
Yeah, have a good one.
Yeah, thanks for coming on, man.
Take it easy.
Right, I'll carry on the thing.
Definitely changing.
Women are moving into combat roles.
Don't ask, don't tell has obviously been dropped.
And now, Defense Secretary Ashton Carter recently directed the military to prepare for a moment when it is welcoming transgender persons to serve openly.
As Commander-in-Chief, how would you handle that?
The military is not a social experiment.
the purpose of the military is kill people and break things it's not to transform the culture but it's not defense then But, yeah, okay, fine.
By trying out some ideas that some people think would make us a different country and more diverse.
The purpose is to protect America.
I'm not sure how paying for transgender surgery for soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines makes our country safer.
We've reduced the military by 25% under President Obama.
The disaster is that we've forgotten why we have a military.
The purpose of it is to make sure that we protect every American wherever that American is.
And if American is calling out for help, whether it's in Benghazi or at the border, then we ought to be able to answer it.
We've not done that because we've decimated our military.
We're flying B-52s.
The most recent one that was put in service was November of 1962.
A lot of the B-52s we're flying, we've only got 44 that are in service, combat ready.
And the fact is, most of them are older than 20%.
Is this actually true?
I've actually verified this.
I don't know.
It doesn't make sense, though.
It may be true in part because there are planes that are ready, but I mean, there's been plenty of stuff that's online that doesn't do shit.
And then there's plenty of stuff that's been mothballed.
So who knows whether he's telling the truth or not?
I mean, he probably is telling the truth because it's not like they're combat aircraft or anything.
So, you know, they're transports, aren't they?
The problem with American bomber technology is under the Sputnik shock and the devaluation of their strategic bomber fleet, America had a really weird relationship to their bombers.
Basically, from 1945, let's say, to 1959, they thought, as long as we've got our bombers, we are fucking untouchable.
And suddenly the Soviets demonstrated, well, fuck you, we are hypothetically able to send fucking nuclear warheads straight in your face.
And after that, the entirety of the Air Force was devalued.
And since then, it has been a constant struggle between Marine, Air Force, land forces for funding.
And more often than not, the Air Force has actually taken quite a beating.
Yeah, but I mean, it's the reason that you would have B-52s from the 60s is because, you know, you use them when you have air superiority.
You know, they're not used to establish air superiority.
You use them when the opponent can't send up a tank jets to shoot them down.
And then you can just, they're giant fucking aircraft that are filled with bombs.
You don't need to do anything else.
You know, you've got your fucking bomb platform.
There is no need to upgrade these things.
You know, if you look at American fighter jets and stuff, I imagine they're fucking amazing.
Yeah.
Well, that would be my point in terms of talking about how good our aircraft are now.
I mean, my position would just be, is there any nation in the world that comes anywhere close to our level of military strength, especially within the sky, in the Air Force?
Is there any nation that comes anywhere else?
Realistically, there isn't on any other state.
Even allies.
Even allies.
Realistically, there isn't any on any front.
That was the point.
The whole doctrine was full-spectrum dominance.
I mean, and the funny thing about this as well is that that means that there are like something like 3,000 tanks just rotting in the desert out there, aren't there?
Because a few years back, the government was just spending money under the Bush administration.
Oh, you've got military money.
Brilliant.
Buy tanks.
And they're like, we don't fucking need tanks.
That's still happening, by the way.
there's a lot of them now but they're making it Yeah, stop ordering tanks for us.
We've got enough fucking tanks.
You can never have enough tanks.
But there's a reason you lost the war, right?
Yeah, if there's one thing I learned in the East, you know, back then, 41, 42, 45, you can never have enough tanks.
Just imagine that we had like 100 or even 200 more tigers at Kursk.
Who would have fucking decimated the Soviets?
What about the fuel?
You need the fuel, though.
Who the fuck needs fuel when you have Jews?
Oh, my God.
I'm going to carry on.
Okay.
Pretty scary.
Senator Paul, the first budget you proposed as senator cut all financial aid to Israel.
You have since changed your view on that issue.
What made you change your mind?
Let's be clear, I'm the owner of the Jews.
The Jews got to, obviously.
Sorry, you couldn't resist.
Only one on the stage who actually has a five-year budget that balances.
I've put pencil to paper, and I've said I would cut spending, and I've said exactly where.
Each one of my budgets has taken a meet axe to foreign aid because I think we ought to quit sending it to countries that hate us.
I think we ought to quit sending it.
Never going to happen.
never going to happen.
Just saying that demonstrates a massive gap in his foreign policy knowledge.
I mean, foreign aid is not foreign aid.
It's fucking foreign bribes, for the love of God.
You're buying your fucking friends.
Sending it to countries that burn our flag.
Israel's not one of those.
But even Benjamin Netanyahu said that ultimately they will be stronger when they're independent.
My position is exactly the same.
We shouldn't borrow money from China to send it anywhere, but why don't we start with eliminating aid to our enemies?
Okay, but you still say that Israel could be one of the countries that is cut from...
You know, it's interesting, right?
Is that about a third of the food of North Korea is produced in North Korea.
And then the rest of it comes from China and America.
So at any point, America could just stop its food exports, gifts, free gifts to North Korea.
It could stop just giving North Korea food and North Korea stuff.
The whole regime would collapse.
Everything about the country being sold.
I mean, do you want a nation that has a nuclear arm to that?
They're never going to get new TOS shores.
They're never going to get a new TOS shores.
Well, not to our shores, to Seoul.
South Korea.
That's true.
But this is the point, man.
America, though, holds the sword of Damocles above the head of the North Korean regime.
I don't want to give aid to our enemies.
Well, you kind of have to give aid to your enemies.
You know, that's the point.
Otherwise, the sword drops.
I agree.
And this is the same thing with Pakistan, man.
Yes, America gives millions of dollars to Pakistan to keep Pakistan on side.
Regime alive.
If it wasn't for us, Pakistan would be done.
It'd be fucking Somalia.
I don't know whether it'd be Somalia necessarily.
I mean, maybe it would.
I'm not saying it wouldn't.
But I'm just saying that either way, it's not going to be on the side of America.
You know, you've lost a valuable ally next to the United States.
They're already on the side of America.
you kidding me?
Yeah, I was gonna say, they're not on Afghanistan.
They stabilize fucking Afghanistan pretty much single-handedly.
No, no, no, but you, no, look, the Americans are constantly doing drone attacks in Pakistan.
The reason that happens is because the Pakistani government is paid to look the other way.
Okay, that's what American aid is for.
Anyway, but yeah, but and so Rand Paul is really pissing me off on this fucking financial aid.
I still say exactly what my original opinion is.
Do you borrow money from China to send it to anyone?
Out of your surplus, you can help your allies.
And Israel is a great ally, and this is no particular animus of Israel.
But what I will say, and I will say over and over again, we cannot give away money we don't have.
We do not project power from bankruptcy court.
We're borrowing a million dollars a minute.
It's got to stop somewhere.
Governor Christie, what do you think of that answer?
Well, listen.
You know, if we want to deal with these issues, we have to deal with them in a way that makes sense.
I agree with what Dr. Carson said earlier.
The first thing we need to do to make America stronger is to strengthen our military.
And I put out a really specific plan.
No less than 500,000 active duty soldiers in the Army.
No less than 185,000 active duty Marines in the Marine Corps.
Bring us to a 350-ship Navy again and modernize the Ohio-class submarines and bring our Air Force back to 26.
It's a volunteer fucking army.
How are you going to fucking staff it?
Well, actually, you probably can get people, you know, it's just paying them.
But what are you going to do with them?
That's the problem.
I don't know.
More military bases.
And the military actually does really cut down on medical issues now.
Go on.
Like, there are a lot of people who are actually denied from enlisting in the military based on medical issues.
Like, based on, like, you require this medication to survive.
But when you're in the Navy, that's not as big of a deal because you have room to stockpiled.
You're not necessarily always in the move, like in the army.
So, I mean, in the Navy, you could make some exemptions for medical issues.
We could get more people in, I'm just saying.
Plus, you pay them more, too.
How many, what's the number of standing troops that America has?
In the country?
You mean...
Well, just generally.
Just...
Well, do you mean stateside or in the world?
Just in the world, just number of active duty troops.
I'm just googling it.
Sorry for pausing.
So 31st of December 2013, you had 1.3 million people on active duty, but that's probably not.
Not counting reserve.
Yeah, but that's probably not what he's talking about.
He might be.
I'm not really sure what he means by having a stand if it's I don't know.
Apparently it's being too vague.
I don't know.
No, no, there's a Guardian piece here that the U.S. will still have 450,000 active personnel after military, extravagant military cuts or whatever.
Historic cuts, sorry.
So yeah, maybe they are under that.
I'm surprised.
And there's statista that suggests that the they think that the army's 500,000, the Navy and the Air Force are 300,000 apiece, roughly.
And that was in 2010.
So, I mean, I don't know how accurate these numbers are.
I don't know.
600 aircraft that are ready to go.
Those are the kind of things that are going to send a clear message around the world.
Those are the things that we need to start working on immediately to make our country stronger and make it better.
Those are the things that we need to be able to be doing.
And as we move towards dealing with foreign aid, I don't disagree with Senator Paul's position that we shouldn't be funding our enemies, but I absolutely believe that Israel is a priority to be able to fund and keep them strong and safe after eight years of this administration.
Governor, thank you.
Brett, can I jump in on this one?
General, we're going to finish up with some more questions.
Thank you.
We have to stand you by because after the break, we're going to let the candidates make their closing statements, their final thoughts, and God.
Stay tuned.
Woo!
I don't know if any of them have God on what they should do and take care of first.
Senator.
Shit.
This is where any fucking Republicans in the chat are going to fucking spack out.
Looking forward to that.
Bruce, start from you.
Any word from God?
Well, I am blessed to receive a word from God every day and receiving the scriptures and reading the scriptures.
And God speaks through the Bible.
I'm the son of a pastor and an evangelist, and I've described many times how my father, when I was a child, was an alcoholic.
He wasn't a Christian.
And my father left my mother and left me when I was just three years old.
And someone invited him to Clay Road Baptist Church, and he gave his heart to Jesus, and it turned him around and had gone on a plane and he flew back to my mother and me.
I would also note that the scripture tells us, you shall know them by their fruits.
We see lots of campaign conservatives, but if we're going to win in 2016, we need a consistent conservative, someone who's been a fiscal conservative, a social conservative, a national security conservative.
There are real differences among the candidates on issues like amnesty, like Obamacare, like religious liberty, like life and marriage.
And I have been proud to fight and stand for religious liberty, to stand against Planned Parenthood, to defend life for my entire career.
And I will be proud to continue to do so as President of the United States.
Man, this is where the Republicans fail.
This shouldn't even be a fucking question.
Keep it to yourself.
Just keep it to your fucking self.
This is the hill liberty dies on, people.
It's stupid.
Why?
What good is this going to do?
Christian identity politics.
It's stupid.
I mean, there is a certain demographic within the United States that this does cater to.
How large it is and how much it's willing to get out to vote, how much money it's willing to invest, whether it's worth asking you that question, whether it alienates enough people.
Sorry for interrupting, but the video just died because of the limit.
Yeah, I'm just starting again.
Can you say it again?
Yes.
Not yet.
Okay, well, you'd be able to hear it either way, won't you?
Yeah.
Well, we can't talk, can we?
What's going on?
Yo, I can still hear you.
Yeah.
Yeah, we can still hear each other.
Can you see it?
No.
What about the stream?
Are we showing up on the stream still?
Yeah, yeah, you'll still be on the stream.
Oh, okay.
Okay, we're good, we're good.
Yeah, you just can't see the screen.
That's all.
It's back up on mine.
Oh, okay, good.
Not on mine, though, but never mind.
Is the thing still refreshing?
Yeah.
It might pop up.
Either way, this is the crutch of the Republican Party, man.
They should just assume that everyone in the room is a fucking Christian.
Just be done with it.
No one outside of this wants to talk about this.
Sorry, I was just going to say, though, that I don't know if I necessarily agree, because there are evangelicals within the United States to which this is an important issue, I would assume.
I think there is a demographic within the United States that this caters to, but I just think that in terms of the National Party, it would help them more to they can invoke God in all of that, but I don't think that reserving a section to talk about their faith.
Exactly this is the same thing.
I don't know if that would be the thing that would win votes with necessarily with libertarians or independents.
Anyone else?
This is the problem.
This is exactly the same as the progressives getting on stage and having exactly the same fucking debate and then getting saved.
And they say, right, okay, white privilege.
And it's like, oh, no, not even fucking interested.
You know what I mean?
As soon as you bring the identity politics into it, anyone who's not interested in your identity politics just turns off.
And so you just should leave them at home.
They're not fucking productive.
They're not conductive to you winning votes outside of your core demographics.
Just fucking stop.
They're fucking poison.
I think this is where, I mean, they didn't ask Rand.
I can't remember whether he speaks to this or not, but I think that this would be the key moment where, you know, I'm not a libertarian, but if I were a libertarian, I'd interrupt and say, like, you know, this shouldn't be a key issue for this party.
This shouldn't be a key issue for this.
Like, I'm a Christian.
I've been my whole life.
But we need to be clear here that, you know, we have to be the big ten party.
And so reserving this as something that's unique about us is not fair to the rest of the American.
Absolutely not.
Yeah, it's exactly the problem that they're doing.
Libertarians are right on this fucking issue, whole cloth.
And I just think that the National Party doesn't help themselves when they, or the National GOP, anyways, doesn't help themselves when they invoke this shit so hard.
Yeah, it shouldn't even come up.
Like you said, they could say, you know, I thank God for whatever.
Fine.
You know, who gives a fuck.
But making it a section is a bad move.
Governor Kasich, same question.
Well, Megan, my father was a mailman.
His father was a coal miner.
My mother's mother could barely speak English, and their son today stands on this podium in the great state of Ohio, not only as the governor, but a candidate for president of the United States.
I do believe in miracles.
You know, I've had a lot of elections.
My elections are really not about campaigns.
I tell my people that these are about a movement.
And a movement to do what?
Sorry?
No one said anything.
I do like, I sort of just smirked at the fact of the whole I believe in miracles thing when it's just like that to me is not a strong suit.
It's just I want God to intervene in my life to make things better.
It should be I'm blessed, but I don't allow that to interfere with the fact that I strive and I drive everything that I can to be my best by myself.
I don't depend on God to bless me, but I welcome it.
You should approach this from a very individualistic standpoint.
You're your own man, but whatever.
Science is convenient, but miracles.
Libertarians have this.
Libertarians have this.
I mean, it pisses me off.
Libertarians should have a fair shot in the Republican Party to restore common sense, a movement to do things like provide economic growth, and a movement not to let anybody be behind.
You know, today the country is divided.
You asked the question about the police and the difficulty in communities.
We've got to unite our country again because we're stronger when we are united.
See, there's something that he said that really made me think that.
He's like, you know, we don't want anyone to be left behind.
And I think this really is the big difference between these guys and the progressives.
They don't want anyone to get ahead, and these guys don't want anyone to be left behind.
And that's, I think, the way that both sides think is fundamentally, this is the difference.
And we are weaker when we are divided.
And we've got to listen to other people's voices, respect them.
But keep in mind, and I believe in terms of the things that I've read in my lifetime, the Lord's not picking us, but because of how we respect human rights, because that we are a good force in the world, he wants America to be strong.
He wants America to succeed, and he wants America to lead.
And nothing's more important to me than my family.
How does he know what God wants?
My faith and my friends.
People wrapping their own ego in their faith.
It's fucking silly.
It's just childish.
Governor Walker, same question.
Well, thanks, Megan.
I'm certainly an imperfect man, and it's only by the blood of Jesus Christ that I've been redeemed from my sins.
So I know that God doesn't call me to do a specific thing.
God hasn't given me a list of Ten Commandments to give all of your strong suits to divine intervention.
To say, oh man, I'd just be a total piece of shit if it wasn't for God.
God came and made me a good person.
I have nothing to do with it.
I've never proved myself ever.
There's no such thing as secular moralism.
Yeah.
No, not even that.
Just like.
No, I know, I know.
I'm just.
Your own will.
Like, I don't know, whatever.
No, no, I'm just being a twin.
Ignorant craved Republican Party.
Yeah, exactly.
That's exactly why I'm not a Republican.
You know what I mean?
I'm not fucking on this sort of side of the fence.
It's just these people have got no fucking self-awareness when it comes to this issue.
And it's just like the progressives with privilege.
It's just shut up.
The first day, what God calls us to do is follow his will.
And ultimately, that's what I'm going to try and do.
And I hope people have seen in my state, even in the big challenges I took on when I had over 100,000 protesters in and around our capital trying to do what I thought was the right thing.
It wasn't just how I took on those political battles.
It was ultimately how I acted.
Not responding in kind, not lashing out, but just being decent going forward and living my life in a way that would be a testimony to him and his faith and our faith.
Senator Ruby, I want to ask you the same question, but I do want to mention: a woman just came here to the stage and asked, What about the veterans?
I want to hear more about what these candidates are going to do for our nation's veterans.
So I put the question to you.
This has got to be the softest fucking question.
We're going to give them more money, obviously.
About God and the veterans, which you may find to be related.
Well, first, let me say I think God has blessed us.
He's blessed the Republican Party with some very good candidates.
The Democrats can't even find one.
God loves the GOP so much.
They hate blues.
Except for on the state level.
god loves the states and i believe god has blessed our country This country has been extraordinarily blessed, and we have honored that blessing, and that's why God has continued to bless us.
And He's blessed us with young men and women willing to risk their lives and sometimes die in uniform for the safety and security of our people.
Unfortunately, today we have.
I would believe you, but I also saw articles claiming that America had an abortion and industrial complex.
So you say that, but I read your articles sometimes.
Not your personally, but right-wing articles.
A VA that does not do enough for them.
I am proud that last year we helped change the law.
We changed the law to give the power to the VA secretary the ability to fire any executive that isn't doing their job.
And it is outrageous.
They've only fired one person to date.
When I'm president of the United States, we're going to have a VA that cares more about our veterans than about the bureaucrats to work at the VA.
Dr. Carson.
Question you about God and his role, but also one of the issues that the public was very interested in, and we touched on it earlier, is race relations in this country.
See, look at that.
They can't even bring to have an entire question about God.
You know, they know what everyone's going to fucking say.
Well, what are they going to say?
No, I'm an atheist.
Exactly.
What's the point of this?
There's our candidate.
There's our man.
It's like, what are they going to say?
I think we might be actually a little bit too harsh on them.
I mean, historically speaking, the United States have always been extremely Christian.
And the Republican Party is, well, the conservative Christian.
Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
What were the people who founded the United States like?
I mean, they were deists.
They weren't Christians, were they?
Well, some of them were, and some of them weren't.
But a lot of people founded it, not the common folk or whatever.
Yeah, but that's the thing, isn't it?
You know, it's founded with the separation of church and state.
The whole point is to be, you know, the secular Enlightenment principles.
You know what I mean?
That's what they were thinking of when they were doing this.
They weren't thinking, let's make a Christian nation, you know?
Yes, you are right, but the Christian religion played an extreme role.
What was the first sentence of the endowed by the Creator?
Come on, help me out.
Yeah, but that's not, yeah.
They actually several times mentioned a God.
No, they don't say God, though, do they?
They just say their Creator.
Why don't the Americans answer this?
Yes.
Many of the founding fathers were deists.
Many were also Christian.
Many were very religious.
Even they had conflicting opinions on religion.
You had Ben Franklin, who wanted public prayer, but also spoke radically against religion and other documents.
It's kind of hard to cite the founders, but it is clearly written in our Constitution that this is a secular fucking nation.
So it's hard to get around that.
And how divided we're seeing right now.
Pain was an atheist.
What, if anything?
There you go.
Okay.
Things you can do, you would do as the next president to help heal that divide.
Well, I think the bully pulpit is a wonderful place to start healing that divide.
You know, we have the purveyors of hatred who take every single incident between people of two races and try to make a race war out of it and drive wedges into people.
And this does not need to be done.
What we need to think about instead, you know, I was asked by an NPR reporter once, why don't I talk about race that often?
I said, it's because I'm a neurosurgeon.
And she thought that was a strange response.
And you say, I said, you see, when I take someone to the operating room, I'm actually operating on the thing that makes them who they are.
The skin doesn't make them who they are.
The hair doesn't make them who they are.
And it's time for us to move beyond that because, you know, our strength as a nation comes in our unity.
We are the United States of America, not the divided states.
And those who want to destroy us are trying to divide us, and we shouldn't let them do it.
Thank you.
That was pretty good.
Now?
Yeah.
Yep.
Yep.
I was actually browsing Twitter.
Sorry.
You faggot.
You can replay it again.
You can replay it again real quick if you want to.
No, no, it's well, just tell me why it was good.
You went on a big montage about how the liberals are trying to divide the United States.
With race.
Basically, the first sentence some of the people.
Yeah, and then they start talking about God, which divides the United States on religion.
So, you know, they're no fucking more innocent.
They're just fucking ignorant to their own methods of dividing people.
Just, you know, it would be a good answer if we weren't doing exactly the same thing.
Sorry, I'm fucking.
I can't stand the religious argument when it comes to politics.
It's just, it's ridiculous.
It's so silly.
You know?
I'm not totally opposed to people talking about their faith when it comes to politics so long as, like, you know, they just don't make the point that Mike Huckabee talked about earlier when it came to Supreme Court, where, oh, I have a, you know, there's a divine, or there's a supreme being, not a supreme court.
Then it's just like, okay, you're done.
Yeah, yeah, stop talking.
Just each candidate will make a closing statement.
You'll all have 30 seconds to make a closing statement for this debate.
We'll start with Ohio Governor John Casey.
You know, tonight we hear about what people want to do.
I want to tell you what I've done.
I was a member of the Armed Services Committee for 18 years.
I spent a big chunk of my life studying national security issues and our role in the world.
Number two, I was the chairman of the House Budget Committee and one of the chief architects.
The last time we balanced the budget, and it was the first time we'd done it since man walked on the moon.
We had a $5 trillion surplus and we cut taxes.
I spent 10 years in the private sector actually learning how business works.
And now I'm the governor of Ohio and I inherited a state that was on the brink of dying.
And we've turned it all around with jobs and balanced budgets and rising credit and tax cuts.
And the state is unified and people have hope again in Ohio.
No, you don't.
You're still part of the Rust Belt.
Be quiet.
You have no hope.
Welcome to the Rust Belt.
Governor Christie.
Well, thank you, Megan.
Listen, I was born into a middle-class family in New Jersey.
My dad came home from serving in the Army after having lost his father, worked in the Briars Ice Cream Plant in New York, New Jersey, was the first person to graduate from college, put himself through college at night.
My mom was the secretary.
I was appointed United States Attorney on September 10th, 2001, and spent the next seven years of my career fighting terrorism and putting terrorists in jail.
I'm a conservative pro-life governor in a state where it's really tough to be both.
In a state like New Jersey with lots of Democrats, but still we cut taxes, we balance budgets, we fought the teachers' union.
This president has had weak leadership, which has led to bad choices.
We've got to stop worrying about being loved and start worrying about being respected, and that's exactly how I'll lead our country.
He's also extremely corrupt.
Yeah.
I love the appeal to a hard-working family.
You know, oh, my family is so hard-working.
We started off really poor, and then we worked on the poor.
He said fucking middle class.
Well, you know what I mean?
We started off like low, and then we worked our way up to, you know, it's the American dream in action, isn't it?
That's what they're selling.
I'm sure it's true.
You know, I'm not saying that they're lying about their backgrounds, but it's interesting the way that they feel the need to play that up a lot.
Senator Paul, closing statement.
I'm a different kind of Republican.
I've introduced a five-year balanced budget.
I've introduced the largest tax cut in our history.
I stood for 10 and a half hours on the Senate floor to defend your right to be left alone.
But I've also gone to Chicago.
I've gone to Detroit.
I've been to Ferguson.
I've been to Baltimore because I want our party to be bigger, better, and bolder.
And I'm the only one that leads Hillary Clinton in five states that were won by President Obama.
I'm a different kind of Republican.
Senator Marco Rubio.
Thank you.
You know, both of my parents were born into poor families on the island of Cuba.
They came to America because it was the only place where people like them could have a chance.
Here in this country, they never made it big, but the very purpose of their life was to give us the chance to do all the things they never could.
My father was a bartender.
And the journey from the back of that bar to this stage tonight.
To me, that's the essence of the American dream.
Sorry?
I'm sorry.
I just meant you're like, man, see, they're all saying the same shit.
You better get used to that shit, brother.
Yeah, but it's just sort of, I'm not.
Obviously, they are.
It's just like, it's so hackneyed, isn't it?
Yeah, it is.
Yeah, it is.
That's what the Republican Party stands for, though, Sargon.
Yeah, I know.
I think anyone can succeed no matter what.
You know, if you put enough effort into it, that's the Republican Party stands for.
Yeah, I know.
So obviously, they're going to play to that up.
Yeah, it's just kind of.
I guess I'm kind of cynical.
You know what I mean?
No, no, no.
But you're relating it more to yourself specifically.
They are saying that they came from poor families and yada yada.
Rather than simply talking about that as an issue in terms of you are.
I think what I'm actually doing is comparing it more to British politics, where the Conservatives here don't dare do that because they didn't come from poor backgrounds who worked themselves up.
They come from old money.
They went to Eton, they have lots of money, and they very much have always been part of the aristocracy.
So it's a very interesting contrast, is all I'm saying.
It's a lot more laudable than our fucking Republican, our right-wing.
You know what I mean?
This is actually not a criticism.
It's just cute to see.
It's what makes our nation different.
And I'm running for president because I want that to still be possible for the people trying to do that now.
I run for president because I believe that we can't just save the American dream.
We can expand it to reach more people and change more lives than ever before.
And that's why I'm asking for your vote.
So we can make America greater than it's ever been and make of this century a new American century.
Thank you, sir.
Senator Ted Cruz.
If I'm elected president, let me tell you about my first day in office.
The first thing I intend to do is to rescind every illegal and unconstitutional executive action taken by Barack Obama.
The next thing I intend to do is instruct the Department of Justice to open an investigation into these videos and to prosecute Planned Parenthood for any criminal violations.
The next thing I intend to do is instruct the Department of Justice and the IRS to start persecuting religious liberty and then intend to cancel the Iraq.
So what did he just say start persecuting religious liberty?
Yeah, that's a common thing here.
What does he mean by that?
Well, it depends on the context in terms of whether he's talking about individual Christians being persecuted.
Oh, right.
He said stop, did he?
Yeah, stop.
Right.
Sorry.
I swear it sounded like he was going to say, you know, we're going to start persecuting religious liberty.
Oh, no, no, no.
Well, that's what I mean.
I was just like, what?
This is not, you're not the Democrat.
Land deal and finally move the U.S. embassy in Israel to Jerusalem.
I will keep my word.
That's a big issue.
My father fled Cuba, and I will fight to defend liberty because my family knows what it's like to lose it.
Dr. Carson, closing statement.
Well, I haven't said anything about me being the only one to do anything, so let me try that.
I'm the only one to separate Siamese twins.
The only one to operate on babies while they were still in the mother's womb.
The only one to take out half of a brain, although you would think if you go to Washington that someone would beat me to it.
Oh.
That was a little bit dig right there.
Yep.
He forgets that.
Well, I mean, he's not a politician, but, you know, I don't know.
It'd be a joke for all of it for him to say.
He's not going to mention that he's black either.
And I say this because I would expect exactly that to be his fucking almost almost the thing he would be running on if he was on the other side.
You know, he'd be.
But I'm very hoping that he's going to be able to do that.
I think it would be important for him to bring it up at least in part just to mention the fact that this is a big tent party.
Look at me.
I'm on the stage.
Blah, blah, blah.
I don't think he should.
I don't think he should, because we don't do that sort of thing.
I agree, he shouldn't.
But it's interesting.
Maybe save it for the general election.
Maybe, yeah.
The one who's willing to pick up the material freedom.
Yeah, he's not used to the Republican Party.
Because freedom is.
He's just a sock puppet, for fuck's sake.
It's not freedom.
I love that Tim Schaefer's literally the incarnation of the patriarchy as well.
A fat old white man is rich.
And he's mocking fucking women and minorities.
It's like, what the fuck are you idiots?
He's also like the patriarch.
He's incompetent as fuck.
Exactly.
He's literally the fucking patriarchy.
I mean, for fuck's sake.
Sargon, check the chat.
There's some really.
Looks like there's a shitload of stuff going down.
You see the thread?
No.
Where are we?
Oh, man.
Ontologist, what?
Master of Edges.
I don't want to say it out loud, so you just check the chat.
Has he mastered the edge?
Because it sounds like he has.
Dude, Sarah, I've been with Master of Edges for about 10 months in a escape group.
He was one of the people that, you know, one of my first subscribers.
And let me tell you one thing.
That guy is just an absolute banana.
He's just absolutely fucking bonkers.
On the plus side, Optium's in the chat, which is Optium's one of my long-term social justice trolls.
Hello, Optium.
Yeah, we're covering the right-wing debate.
You can imagine how right-wing this makes us.
Yeah, Sargon was just telling us how he's a fervent believer in the English Defence League.
Yeah, for them, how he joins all the rallies.
There isn't enough God in the English Constitution.
Not that we have one really, but it's true, though.
True.
There's not enough God in American politics either.
And that is definitely true.
No, there's too much abortion.
Far too much abortion.
What else do they believe?
Oh, taxes are too high, obviously.
You know, that's not the, you know, yeah, the tax is too high.
Well, fuck it.
Just paint me as like, you know, the religious type.
Let's carry on.
For it every day.
Every one of us must fight for it because we're fighting for our children and the next generation.
He didn't even mention that he was black.
I knew it.
Governor Mike Hockerby, closing statement.
It seems like this election has been a whole lot about a person who's very high in the polls, but doesn't have a clue about how to govern.
A person who has been filled with scandals and is afraid.
Yeah, attacking Trump's a bad idea, man.
No, no, no, no.
Keep going.
Keep going.
Get ready.
Talking about Hillary Clinton.
Oh, yeah, get that pick.
Yeah.
What do you say?
Go back, go back.
Nicely done.
What did he say?
He sound, you know, he was setting up a Donald Trump thing.
I mean, he's like, you know, I'm talking about Hillary Clinton.
Oh.
Yeah, not nice, but no, no one really thinks you were.
I think America is in trouble.
But it's not beyond repair.
But it's going to take leadership who sees the greatness of this country and who believes that once again we can be one nation under God.
I'll be my best to do that and thank you for your support.
Governor Scott Walker.
Thanks.
I'm a guy with a wife and two kids and a Harley.
One article called me aggressively normal.
I ran for governor because I was worried about my kids' future.
He does look like his name could be Whitey McWhyterson.
Seriously.
I have a Harley guy.
Did you know I have a Holly?
Aggressively normal.
This guy is literally the worst guy to put against the Democrats.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, well, there we go.
There's the reason you should vote for us.
He's a normie.
Exactly.
Then I took on the big government union bosses, and we won.
They tried to target us again, and we won.
We balanced the budget, cut taxes, and turned our state around with big, bold reforms.
It wasn't too late for Wisconsin, and it's not too late for America.
That's why I asked for your vote.
Here's what I believe.
I believe we're at the...
Sorry, go on.
Go ahead.
If he's trying to get people to vote for him, the average person to think that he's, you know, he's one of them, he probably shouldn't say he owns a Harley.
I'm just saying.
Most people couldn't afford a Harley.
I don't really know if that makes a difference or not.
Every person that I know that owns a Harley is part of my father's motorcycle club, and they're all union members, so they're not fucking voting for him.
The verge of the greatest time to be alive in this world.
But Washington is holding us back.
How we tax, how we regulate, we're not embracing the energy revolution in our midst, a broken immigration system that has been politicized rather than turning it into an economic driver.
We're not protecting and preserving our entitlement system or reforming for the next generation.
All these things languish while we have politicians in Washington using these as wedge issues.
Here's my commitment to you, because I did it as Florida.
We can fix these things.
We can grow economically and restore America's leadership in the world so that everybody has a chance to rise up.
I humbly ask for your vote whenever you're going to get to vote, whenever the primary is.
Thank you all very much.
You know, he actually sounds like Jeb Bush, he actually sounds pretty articulate in a lot of what he's saying.
But I don't trust the fucker.
I don't trust him.
I don't know why you think he sounds stupider than George Bush.
He sounds way smarter than George Bush.
Yeah, he does.
He's just less charismatic.
He's boring.
He sounds like he knows what's going on and that he can supposedly fix the problems.
But obviously, I don't trust him anymore than I trust anyone else on the stage.
Don't wait to run for five minutes.
Be ready, Bick.
Okay.
All right.
All right.
But yeah, I don't trust Jeb Bush at all.
I don't trust the family that he comes from, frankly.
Honestly, I read this book called Bush Family of Secrets, and it's enormous.
It's a fucking enormous book.
And there was nothing concrete in it, but there was just such an Eventually, they've just got so many things that it could be a bit sus, but obviously, you'd assume innocence in every situation.
But after, like, you know, the 10th time you're doing it in a row, you're thinking, okay, you know, I was on fucking porn yesterday.
You know, I can't prove anything, but I don't trust you now.
You know, it's got to the point where there are just so many things.
I know that is the weakest condemnation of anything in the world, but there was just such an appearance of impropriety about everything that he was doing.
That Herbert Walker Bush was doing.
I just don't trust the family at all.
You know, this, this, I, and it was years ago I read this book, so I can't really give anyone any examples, but it was just the constant use of, um, oh, that person is a good friend of the family.
It's this phrase that he would use in these fucking things all the time.
It was just, it was really sus, you know what I mean?
And maybe I'm just, you know, maybe I'm just wrecked and talking shit, but I just, I can't bring myself to trust the Bush family.
Would you say that you trust Hillary Clinton anymore?
No, of course not.
Of course.
If I had to pick, I'd choose anyone on that stage over Hillary.
Yeah, exactly.
I literally would pick Jeb Bush over Hillary.
She's just the opposite.
I mean, I think Rand Paul or Trump, man, I think they're at least being genuine with what they say.
No, not Paul.
I mean, I...
Yeah, I think so.
I think, yeah.
I like Paul, but the foreign policy stuff is just huge.
Yeah, I'm not saying that he's right.
I'm just saying I think he's being honest.
He's being honest, yeah.
Yeah.
And maybe the neurosurgeon guy.
Yeah, maybe I'm into.
Yeah, sorry.
I forgot, man.
I don't think I don't trust Paul at all.
You don't trust Paul at all?
Why not?
No.
I just think that, like, even his own father has distanced himself from his own son in terms of his politics.
And I just don't think that he's his father's son.
Well, that's fine.
He doesn't have to, you know, agree with everything his father did.
He's much more of a moderate libertarian than an extremist libertarian.
Yeah, but I'm not saying that his politics are right or wrong.
I'm just commenting on how much I would trust him.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying as well.
I don't trust Rand Paul.
I would trust that what his father says is what he would do, but I don't trust Rand Paul to do what he says he's going to do at all.
Yeah, I liked his father a lot, though, man.
I really like Ron Paul.
He seemed like a really genuine chap.
What do you think of Nigel Farage?
The saviour of Britain.
I think he's the man to lead us in the dark times against the German-led empire on the continent, the Empire of Darkness.
He's...
He's good when he's in the European Parliament.
You know, he's an intelligent man, and he dresses them down quite eloquently.
Daniel Hannan's better, but, I mean, he's pretty fucking...
He knows what he's standing there for.
You know what I mean?
Our country is in serious trouble.
We don't win anymore.
We don't beat China in trade.
We don't beat Japan with their millions and millions of cars coming into this country in trade.
We can't beat Mexico at the border or in trade.
We can't do anything right.
Our military has to be strengthened.
Our vets have to be taken care of.
We have to end Obamacare and we have to make our country great again and I will do that.
Thank you.
Okay, that's really, really interesting, right?
He's the only person who says something negative there.
You know, everyone's trying to give the feel-good politician sign-off.
You know, hey, vote for me.
And I think that this is why people are paying attention to Trump is because he's actually telling what they know.
And this comes straight from Malinsky, actually.
You've got to be fucking honest with yourself.
If you can't be honest with your state of affairs and you're going to give the sort of politician bullshit speak, then it's not going to resonate with people.
You know, they want to hear the truth.
And, you know, Trump's being honest.
It's a shit kind of honesty and it's a shit fucking situation.
It's a shit come over.
Sorry.
But, yeah, man, I just think that some frank honesty is necessary.
And I think Trump's doing a great job with it.
Gentlemen, thank you.
It's over.
That's it.
You relieved?
You were nervous before?
They don't look relieved.
Okay, is there anything else?
I don't think there's anything more to this.
Right, okay.
Now, I went on Wikipedia, there's nationwide polling of the after these primaries.
I'm going to tweet out because Trump's killing it, man.
He's absolutely killing it.
Everyone's fucked compared to Trump.
Is this following this debate?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm waiting for Twitter to get off his fucking ass and get into my thing.
Okay, I'll get on it.
Take a look.
It's a guy like Trump, but because he's interesting and funny, not because he's good for America necessarily.
Yeah, but who really is good for America?
But this is the thing.
I've just tweeted out, and this the HuffPost pollster model was updated on August the 7th, which was the same day as the thing, wasn't it?
Was this on the 6th or the 7th?
What's today?
This was on the 6th.
That was yesterday.
Oh, yeah, so it's on the 6th, yeah.
So yeah, I think this was updated afterwards because of it.
Yeah, it's fuck, man.
25.5%, man.
What is the next closest?
Jeb Bush at 12.7% is fucking popular.
Trump is unbelievably popular, man.
25% of the fucking.
Wow, man.
Fucking Rudders has him at fucking 30.
Unless how many candidates, man?
Like, fucking 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17 candidates.
25%.
Some of these poll results, dude.
Oh, my God.
If this is even vaguely accurate, you know what I mean?
If to like, you know, a sort of national opinion, man, or even just the opinion of the Republican Party.
That is some insane popularity Trump has there, man.
I think when talking about Trump, you we kind of got to keep in mind that the USA are in a situation that we've never historically seen before.
They are in a sort of dying nuclear world power that established hegemony control over the world for almost 100 years now.
And that's a situation that has never existed before.
So making any predictions of who is good and who is bad for America is, you know, complicated.
And maybe, just maybe Donald Trump might be exactly what America needs right now.
Well, that's very interesting.
I heard someone compare him to Vladimir Putin, in fact.
That's not a fucking comparison.
Well, no, it's an interesting comparison.
Because Putin's rich as well.
You know, so he doesn't really have to worry about business interest buying him out.
And this is the thing, Trump doesn't need to worry about that either.
He doesn't have to do any fundraisers.
So it's an interesting thing that they would be like, you know, a very similar counterpart to each other.
And, I mean, he's no Putin, don't get me wrong.
But I think, like, you know, The policies he's trying to get, you know, he would be most concerned with, I think, are simple enough for him to get in.
I want to build a giant fucking wall.
I want to bomb ISIS.
Well, it doesn't take a lot of fucking nouse to be able to do all these things.
You know, I'm sure Trump could make these things happen.
Maybe not the bombing so much, but the wall he could probably build himself.
So the Trump wall of safety.
The great wall of Trump.
And it'd have his name all over it, just like Trump's fucking tower.
But, yeah, I think, Lehman, I think you're right, man.
I think that, you know, I think people think that he's what they need.
You know, he trumped the competition.
Jesus.
Well, you remember that I had to check back at the polls to see if this is in these are bipartisan polls, then, yeah.
Their sample sizes aren't all the same, which is not great.
No, the Huff Post poll one is an aggregate, so it's of a bunch of different polls.
Okay, okay.
That's better.
Yeah, that's the number I was going with.
Yeah, well, it's just a matter, I think, as well as to see if you were to.
It would just require the RNC to actually not accept the fact that he would be not necessarily inevitable, but he is a serious fucking contender, which it seems to me that, especially even during this debate and after, they simply do not want to take him seriously in the slightest as a potential candidate.
And I think that they're really doing themselves a disservice in doing that.
Like, it's counterproductive to what their ends would be.
Yeah, not having him be the candidate.
I think this is why he's killing it as well.
Yeah.
He's not the establishment man.
You know, that's the thing.
He's not their guy.
You know, he's not Jeb Bush.
You know, Jeb Bush is going to follow the corporate line, isn't he?
He's just going to be the Republican version of Hillary Clinton.
And Trump, man, he's absolutely killing it, and he's going to do what he wants.
And if he gets, imagine if you got President Trump.
Imagine what his opinion would be.
It would be, well, I have a Democratic mandate to do what the fuck I like now because that's why people vote me in.
I'm going to do exactly what I've said.
Or bomb ISIS, but it'll be catastrophe, I'm sure.
But, you know, the alternative is Hillary Clinton.
So I mean, maybe that would be the wake-up call for Congress to fucking do something.
Maybe.
That now you have this egomaniac in the office.
Yeah.
Or maybe they would just declare him dictator for life.
I don't think it would be the least likely thing.
Just do it for the memes, man.
I can't believe that this guy is leading with such a huge.
I mean, I feel like I'm in Pizarro world where things are back to front.
You know, it just.
I just think it's his charisma.
I think that's what everyone else lacks.
Is he even more charismatic, though?
He's more of a dick.
He just doesn't care.
I think he has a certain level of charisma, and that's why everyone else on the stage just falls apart.
Yeah, he does have charisma, but it's like, I don't know.
He's not Obama, you know what I mean?
No, but again, this is like again, it depends what is said, and obviously enough Republicans like what Trump has to say.
Oh, yeah.
And so it's speaking to them, and that's what they like.
You know, I'm not even sure if it's necessarily what he has to say.
I mean, I'm sure that is a big part of it.
It's also the confidence as well.
Yeah, I think it's the way he's saying it that's really getting a lot of people.
You know, I'm gonna put a fucking big wall up to stop Mexicans.
And loads of people have had trouble with Mexican immigrants.
I'm like, yeah, brilliant.
You know?
I think that charisma is a really extremely subjective and relative thing.
Obviously, I'm not trying to claim otherwise here.
And when you look just in the past few decades, you realize that there were certain trends for politicians to behave.
And Obama, at least in my opinion, brought this trend of the sort of I come from the middle class, but look at me how well-spoken I am, how deeply I am engraved in the middle class.
I am a normal guy.
Follow me.
Let's change this shit.
He brought that to a whole new level.
Let's not deny that.
He just perfected it.
And suddenly comes Trump.
At the end.
And he's like the fucking opposite.
He's like, I don't give a shit.
Let's just do the fucking wall, man.
Let's see what happens.
It's the plan of the world.
I think the people love it.
Yeah.
And the thing is, you can't even call it demagoguery.
That's the thing.
It's not that sophisticated.
It's really not.
It just seems to be Trump giving his unvarnished opinion.
And that's the thing.
That's precisely why he's so likable, actually.
Yeah.
I just question, you know, obviously this is the primary, so it doesn't matter, but I would just question whether that attitude and that perspective could necessarily work in the general election.
I just question that.
I just suspect that.
I think your average person is pretty much a federal politics, and that's sort of Trump gives the aura of.
Yeah.
Sorry, go on.
I just think I understand exactly what you're saying, and I do agree.
That is definitely an emotion that is throughout America, and it is bipartisan in terms of being upset with terms of the situation as it exists now.
But I would just say that in terms of the general election, where I do think that the Democrats are strategically going to target policy specifically, regardless of whether it may sound boring, I think that that's what they're going to target both in the primary and in the general election.
Okay, I've got some points.
Some interesting things here.
I'm looking at the.
I'll tweet out this thing, sorry, so everyone can see it.
It's like a timeline of a HuffPost pollster.
So if we assume that it's reasonably accurate, just for the sake of argument, I don't know whether it is, obviously.
But so on the second of turn off all the other ones because there's so many fucking people.
Oh my god, look at that fucking line.
Yeah, exactly right.
That's not a fucking god.
Look at that.
Oh, and that's Rubio.
Oh, look at Rubio.
That's phenomenal.
That's great.
I love that shit.
But hang on.
So everyone can see it, right?
Oh, that's hysterical.
Sorry, right, yes.
Look at that fucking nosedive.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, my God.
When was that that he nosedive?
April?
Well, March through September?
Yeah, July 2014.
Yeah, just that, yeah.
But okay, so taking off going to Trump, right?
So I guess 31st of March was when he sort of declared himself, right?
And so it goes along, not really much change, until, what, the 2nd of June?
And then from then to, well, now, he's just been on this colossal upswing.
So what the fuck happened about the fucking 2nd of June?
I'm trying to remember which month he actually announced that he was running for president.
I'm trying to remember.
I'd have to look it up.
What the fuck did what the fuck happened?
What did he do?
He got a ton of press after he announced because he did the whole rapists and whatever comments.
He got a ton of fucking press for that.
For days, man, it was ridiculous.
And everyone was just thrilled to bits about it.
I mean, what?
Yeah.
I just, I just cannot get over Trump's popularity.
I really can't.
I mean, you saw his opposition, though.
Can you really blame us?
No, that's the other aspect of this, dude.
That's the other aspect of this.
Who out of his opposition was really bad?
You know?
They weren't really bad.
They were just really bland.
Well, that's the issue, is that they're just lifestyle.
They're listless.
They're boring.
They got nothing.
They're just lukewarm on most things.
And fucking Donald Trump is a firebrand.
Well, Rand Paul is too, a little bit.
Yeah, Rand Paul has his moments.
And maybe that's why he was coming in so strong.
Maybe he was trying to sort of co-op some of that.
He had a co-opt game of game with ethics only.
We know who we are, Kelly John.
Kelly Rose.
John Kelly Rose.
God damn it, Red Bull!
That's what the video saw off a card!
I'm actually really surprised Cruz did so bad.
Like, he was supposed to be the tea party guy that everyone went into, but no, he did.
Look at that.
He's got what?
5.7%?
That's it?
Yep.
Yeah, but I mean, he's just, he looks fake.
He's a big, he looks...
He did horrible in the debate.
He did horrible in the debate.
Yeah, he looked fake.
You're absolutely right.
I just can't be getting along.
I mean, Jeb Bush is doing all right, I suppose.
He's the establishment guy.
Yeah, fairly consistent.
George Pataki.
I don't know who that is.
He's the former governor of New York.
He's a Kant.
Yeah, it kind of reflects in his numbers.
Oh, Rand.
He had a bit of plateau.
so why did Rampool slip down I think not enough coverage yeah basically I don't know I think that's it.
He came in as the son of fucking Ron Paul, you know, the Ron Paul.
And he just didn't live up to the expectations, I presume.
Absolutely, I agree.
Yeah, he's not nearly as great as his father.
No.
Well, if you're a libertarian, let's just look up Gary Johnson.
I voted for him in 2012.
He's thinking about running again in 2016.
I actually met him in real life.
He's really interesting.
Got a pretty good friend.
I've a friend of mine who's a big fan of Gary Johnson as well.
He's very good, though, libertarians.
Yeah, he's actually, yeah, he's pretty legit.
I looked up his record.
Chris Christian.
Oh, Sargon.
Oh, no, yeah, Sargon.
Oh, no, no, go ahead.
I was just going to say that his foreign policy, you know.
But he was also random, where he's a bit more moderate, where Ron Paul took a basically an isolationist approach.
He's taken more of a moderate approach.
Ron Paul, was he really isolationist?
Non-interventionist.
Well, he was kind of isolationist.
He was kind of isolationist on a lot of issues, especially when it came to intervening throughout the world.
It's like the thing, though, there is a line between non-interventionism and isolationism.
Oh, yeah, they're not the same thing.
Excuse me?
They're not the same thing.
Absolutely not.
They are quite different.
And I think, you know, if you're saying that a lot of people conflate them, I agree.
The point is that it's opposed to American hegemony, so it can, you know, that's the strata where it is in terms of politics.
Yeah, yeah.
But I love Chris Christie's decline here.
Yeah.
Just.
Yeah, you look like a fucking Mafia Don, mate.
Sargon, I actually have a few questions from people why it's fit.
They aren't all that on topic.
Is it alright if I ask them anyway?
Go ahead.
First one being by Socks, would Sargon fuck Daniel Vavra and let me watch, or at least rub their votes together and let me video it.
What the fuck?
I can sell you a video of it.
If that's it.
There you go.
That's the capitalist.
There you go.
He needs more Patreon money, too.
Listen, listen.
Look, right.
You don't fuck Daniel Vavra and then film it and then not sell it.
I mean, that's just...
Exactly.
You're an idiot if you do that.
How old is your dick?
Old enough.
Okay, okay.
First one answers.
That one guy, he didn't get anything.
John Kassock?
No.
He wasn't bad.
He wasn't too bad.
No, but he was really, really vanilla, wasn't he?
Nothing memorable.
He did it out a couple times.
I thought he wasn't too – I didn't think he did too bad of a job in that debate.
He seemed generally vanilla.
He seemed like he had a lot of experience.
Yeah, but I mean, you've got Trump sitting across the aisle.
Yeah, I mean, that's the thing.
If it was just him and the other guys, he probably would have done a lot better.
But, you know, just like all the attention, all the eyes are gravitating towards him.
25.5%, man.
The fucking Rudder's at 30.
Rudder's at fucking 30.
I mean, it is fucking insane.
No one is anywhere near touching him at all.
And the Neurosurgeon, he only got 5.7 tight with Chris.
Look at just the he's slaughtering them.
Absolutely fucking killing them, man.
The question is whether that continues and then, like, you just sort of see that sort of the base finally just concede or just admit that this guy's our candidate.
Because, I mean, it's still a long road, but it's still, like, it's hard to see this guy just...
I mean, maybe if he stops getting pressed, maybe if he stops, you know, he stops articles or stuff.
They couldn't stop covering him if they wanted to.
There's no fucking way they're going to stop talking about Donald Trump.
You know what I reckon?
The only way that Trump will actually fuck up is if he starts backpedaling and starts agreeing with something that they say.
You know, if he just sticks to his guns, I think he's golden.
I really do, man.
Yeah.
Oh, go ahead, Walmart.
Does this mean that Internet Aristocrat was right all along?
Remember what he said?
People want to side with a yes or a no answer.
If you try to be a moderate, you try to be a neutral, you become indistinguishable from them.
Maybe Internet Aristocrat was right all along.
Maybe.
Entirely possible.
I really got a really important question here.
Sorry.
By Ante Signanus.
I don't know how to pronounce it.
Ask Sargon, why does he prefer the Cactana?
And why do you prefer the pussy ass rapier saber?
This is your sock puppet account, isn't it?
No one's really interested in this.
But you.
Who the fuck would know to ask that question?
Exactly.
Everyone who is subscribed to me loves it.
Honestly, I can't understand why you fucking limp dick Rakia fanboys would even ask that question.
Why do you even come out in daylight?
Aren't you embarrassed?
Oh, Dr. Lehman, you made the Death of Paul video.
Yes, I did.
I did.
Oh, I actually saw that a long-ass fucking time ago.
I know it was you.
Yeah, it was one of my first videos, but to get back to Sargon, you know, I get it.
You know, Katanas, I like Mechs.
Let's be honest here.
They are like fucking Apple products, okay?
Overrated, overpriced, and produced in Asia.
Okay.
Okay.
At least my fucking rapier, you know.
I fuck.
I'm really bad at smack talking.
It can stab you.
They're saying random shit in German loudly.
This is what they're talking about with privilege, though.
It's like, you know, you can call me a cracker all you want, but when I call you a nigga, it's way more sharp.
You're fucking British.
It doesn't sound right.
It's kind of lame.
Yeah, I know, I know.
But you know what, in all honesty, man, I fucking hate a Katana.
I just did it to piss you off.
I know I love you, man.
I know.
I really like the gross messer, man.
I saw some videos of dudes just like cutting into like, you know, huge lumps of pork and stuff.
And this fucking thing just seemed to have a really good cut to it.
Probably shit on a battlefield, but it just, you know.
Actually, the Lanyan as a...
The Langamessa is one of my main weapons that I trained.
And holy shit.
People absolutely underestimate what that thing is capable of.
Like, it really looks like it, man.
Best cutter I've ever had, hands down.
Mate, honestly, all of these videos, you know, you've seen them with the katanas and their longswords and the bastardswords and rapiers and stuff.
And, you know, they'd slash.
And don't be wrong.
Obviously, it's a deadly weapon.
It would kill someone.
But the gross messer, the languor, whatever you want to call them, they just seem to be like severance weapons.
You know, they would just sever a limb or sever someone's fucking head or, you know, just so much fucking colossal raw damage.
Absolutely.
Like, when we, for instance, just for shits and giggles, started bundling up tatami meds together just to see what happens.
You had like, at three to four tatami meds, you had issues with a longsword.
It was getting kind of hard.
But with the language messa, dude, no problem.
Just no problem.
Straight through.
Yeah, yeah, they look awesome.
But the thing is, again, that's the problem with that is it's just a fucking lump of pork on a bench, you know.
If it was some armoured dude with a sword, you'd probably want a fucking long sword or a two-hander or something.
I think Skaladrim did have a few videos with him cutting with his new Albion Language Messer.
Yeah, I should look at it.
Yeah, I think they actually are really, really good.
We should do a stream sometime where we go through.
See, if the GOP fucking thing wasn't going to do, this is the sort of thing we would have gone through.
You know, I was going to look up a bunch of videos on this sort of stuff, and we could have just got drunk and fucking chat shit about it.
But we had, you know, this thing to go through instead.
But we'll do it another time, man.
Okie dokie, man.
Yeah, we'll definitely will.
Right, unless there are any more questions or anyone wants to say anything, I guess after six hours, we should probably.
I was just going to say, as an American that owns firearms, you fucking European faggots can talk about your fucking swords all night.
Yeah, yeah, because you guys invented it.
That's right.
Dude, it's not my fault that you are way too fat to defend yourself with anything butter gunshot.
Hey, I'd rather have it and not eat it.
That's right!
Heart attack!
Oh, okay.
Can I really quickly show my semi-study Sargon?
Yeah, go on.
Okie dokie guys, whoever is still listening, I'm currently working on a really big, kind of long video.
It's an analysis of Gamergate.
I really want to know what makes you people tick.
And if you are interested in short written interviews via mail or maybe even Skype, five to fifteen minutes basically, just write me that underscore layman on Twitter.
Or just, you know, you've got my channel in the description, just click on it and write me.
Still looking for participants.
I just want to know, like, what is the basic mindset of people within Gamergate?
And as soon as it's done, I'm going to release the video and yeah, let's see what happens.
Join for the harassment, stayed for the ethics.
Absolutely.
You know, I joined for the harassment, but I stayed for the Holocaust.
Do you like fucking kidding red pillows on the juice?
Man, I tell you what, I love when they're fucking like, oh, someone said something that was racist, or they post a horrible meme or something.
It's like, yeah.
And they're going to do it again tomorrow.
Get used to it.
It's a fucking joke, for the love of fuck.
You know, I can't stand their complete lack of sense of humor.
That's the worst thing about them, in my opinion.
The corruption is bad and everything, but the fucking lack of being able to laugh at shit.
Fuck off, man.
I can't stand it.
You call it Sarcock.
Sarcocka fraud.
Basically, it's fine.
You know, I can.
They can't laugh at anything.
It really does mine up, man.
Really does.
Anyway, thanks you guys for joining me and I will see you all later when I find out.
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