Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin - Extended Interview with Steven Crowder (Louder with Crowder)

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June 24, 2015 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin

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Extended Interview with Steven Crowder (Louder with Crowder)

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	So they talk about, you know, male sexuality.
	This is going to sound very profane, but my penis, okay?
	So tell me about your penis.
	Is a veritable weatherstick of beauty.
	You can't trick it.
	It knows no societal boundaries.
	It doesn't care how poor you are.
	It doesn't care the color of your skin.
	If you're attractive, it's going enough.
	You can't trick the system.
	It's a lie detector test.
	So there is no, like, we had a meeting behind your back and just said, oh, we're going to say Lena Denham isn't attractive just to really through with her.
	You're not attractive.
	You didn't beat the test.
	Back, Sargon of Akad.
	This is on your channel now.
	This is part of the web exclusive after we did the whole up.
	So you can say whatever you want.
	You were making some great points there.
	And we'll hyperlink to what we were talking about earlier.
	Yeah, I'll leave a link in the description.
	In the description, in a little box, I can point to the camera.
	Just down there.
	Yeah, just down there.
	I think one thing you really touched on, I wrote about this.
	I don't know if you saw the story from MSNBC, Melissa Harris Perry.
	She was kind of joking, to be fair, but not really.
	Was talking about women's sports and women's soccer.
	Full disclosure, I hate soccer.
	And women's sports.
	So do I.
	Okay, that's fair.
	She said, in order to, you know, for pay scale and for things to be equal in women's sports, we should have all men's sports go dark for a year.
	That way it would be the only option and people would start, people would become fans.
	And I had this realization, and I think that you just touched on this.
	In order to, and this is what leftism, leftism, part of one of the tenets of leftism is the belief in equal outcomes.
	In order to force equal outcomes.
	I just want to jump in.
	I just want to jump in.
	Calling it leftism is like, it's like when I criticize feminists and I call it feminism.
	It's inaccurate.
	What you're talking about is progressivism.
	Okay, progressivism.
	It's very, very informed by Marxist principles.
	And you're right.
	It's about equity, not equality.
	Well, in the United States, they use it interchangeably.
	They shouldn't, though.
	Now, the thing is, this is no, I mean, leftists themselves, like Bernie Sanders, they use it.
	They're proud of it.
	So I'm not like applying it.
	No, no, I know, and I don't blame you, but this is what we were saying about definitions earlier, right?
	The definitions are important.
	And that's the point.
	They've co-opted a lot of words, like the word racism, like we were saying earlier.
	They've co-opted it with their own definitions of it to mean what they want to mean.
	So you can have in England, we've had this lady called Baha Mustafa, who is the whitest non-white person you've ever seen in your life, telling everyone that she can't be racist because she's not white.
	And so she has been basically brazenly, openly racist on Twitter.
	And she turns out to be the diversity officer of a British university called Goldsmiths.
	And there's been a massive public outcry about what is clearly anti-egalitarianism.
	She's very, very racist.
	And she's openly communist.
	And she's very – There's just something very funny to me about she's very, very racist because I know since you're not a progressive, you don't throw that term out lightly.
	I'm pretty sure there's a hood somewhere in her closet.
	There would be.
	There absolutely would be.
	If she was born in another time of place, she would be part of the KKK.
	Okay, well, real quick, though, before we go off on definition, what I was going to say about this was, okay, call it a tenet of progressivism.
	Is in order to force equal outcomes, which is what they believe to be morally altruistic, they have to abolish the idea of equal opportunity.
	So see, in order to force equal outcome in women's sports, they have to remove the opportunity for men to be broadcast.
	In order to ensure equal outcomes at university, they have to remove the opportunity from all the Asian kids who got higher scores, but who are overly represented.
	So you have to have one or the other.
	Absolutely.
	They are mutually exclusive concepts.
	This is something we see all the time.
	They are constantly saying things like, you know, maybe we shouldn't publish white male authors.
	Maybe we shouldn't publish games by white men.
	All this sort of thing is completely justified because they're looking at the end result and saying, well, the system must be racist because we don't have the desired outcome.
	We don't have an exact equal 50-50.
	By the way, too, video games, let's just really quickly video games are pretty damn diverse.
	If you go to Street Fighter, I mean, you have, I mean, you have Dalsham for Crying Out Loud.
	You have a monster.
	This is my sorry, Super Street Fighter 2 is my game.
	No, no, no, you're exactly right.
	I mean, you know, Donkey Kong Country, then you have Dixie Kong.
	Any game like that.
	You're not even playing humans in.
	Yeah, you're not even playing humans in, and they give people feminine.
	You can see they're sitting there.
	It's like the Burger King Kids Club.
	Well, we've got to have the black guy.
	We have to have the handicap.
	We have to have the ginger because now they're a protected class.
	So they've always sort of been diverse.
	You know, the funniest thing is that recently we've had a big industry show called E3, and it's all the big names come out for it.
	And, you know, you're probably not aware, but it's fine.
	And the main cultural critic of progressivism is a woman called Anita Sarkeesian.
	Just her whose name shall not be spoken.
	Yeah, exactly.
	She had the bravery to go on Twitter and say, finally, we have a female protagonist in Tomb Raider, as in Lara Croft, and in an RPG called Fallout, which I, I mean, if you know anything about computer RPGs, you get to make your own character and choose the gender and race and whatnot of your choice.
	And you almost, in almost every single one, right back from when they were first conceived, you could choose between a male and female character.
	I think one where you couldn't, and they were really mad was it Fable for Xbox?
	Yeah, I think Fable, you couldn't, but that was a specific story reason.
	How dare they?
	Exactly.
	How dare they?
	Well, you know what's funny?
	I mean, Lara the Croft.
	When I was a kid, you're talking about PlayStation.
	You know, I was one of the early games, I remember, I think, even before N64 had come out to compete with PlayStation.
	And I had, oh, gosh, it wasn't Nintendo Power.
	It was the one that had all the gaming systems.
	I don't know what the magazines are now because it's 2015.
	And it was like the Lara Croft spread.
	I mean, it might as well have been the JCPenney Lingerie catalog, you know, for an 11-year-old kid.
	Yeah, and then when you look back at it now, there are about 16 pixels involved in her breasts.
	It's kind of a big triangle.
	Yeah.
	So, yeah, I don't really know.
	I personally never actually liked Tomb Raider at all.
	No, I didn't like it either.
	It was a terrible game.
	Back then, I hated it.
	And I remember when Prince of Persia came out on Xbox, I remember thinking, this is what Tomb Raider could have been.
	And, you know, naturally it was because it was a male protagonist.
	Yeah, of course.
	It was absolutely sexism.
	Right.
	I'm sorry.
	You were making a point and I interrupted.
	No, no, it's all right.
	But they're going to, they're going to, what they're going to do is someone on YouTube is going to find a clip of us saying that is, you know, oh, it was because it was a male protagonist.
	I was like, yeah, of course, naturally, it's sexism.
	And they will cut out the laughter on either side of that and then take it out of context and make us look like horrible, horrible people.
	Well, I'll protect it.
	I'll protect you.
	Although, I don't, you know, with the Gamergate crowd, you're the one who has to have.
	I've said this with Michelle Malkin.
	You not only need to have my back, you need to carry me through swaddled like a baby.
	That's the protection I need because I'm not in the gamer community.
	Well, honestly, I think the main thing these days is to remember that they're going to throw all kinds of names at you and none of them are going to be true.
	None of the things they're going to say about you are true.
	And they've very much reached a point of diminishing returns.
	I mean, when I first started this, I got called a misogynist a lot.
	And I got called that because I was criticizing feminism.
	And the beard.
	I was criticizing, yeah, and the beard.
	I was criticizing extreme progressivism.
	But it's become a joke.
	It's just become a joke.
	Whenever someone says it, you see people on Twitter just mocking, oh, my soggy knees and stuff like that.
	It's just a joke.
	People, you know, they've worn out that tool.
	You know, they've used it so many times.
	It's lost all impact.
	It's lost all meaning.
	And it's clearly a distraction tactic.
	They're clearly trying to just obfuscate the issue and turn it back on you rather than addressing what you were addressing it then.
	Right.
	Well, and that's what I was saying.
	It was much more impactful when you just, I was laughing because you said she's very racist.
	And I know enough about you to know that you're not just like, you know, the Turks or MSNBC who just say it.
	You know, I've been accused of being a racist more times than I can count.
	And I mean, you could take things out of context where I talk about, you know, my early stand-up, I used the N-word repeatedly when referring to French Canadians who would use the N-word.
	This is the difference between like British and America.
	I would just say nigga.
	Well, yeah, well, yeah, there you go.
	Exactly.
	Well, okay.
	So, and I've told this story before.
	It doesn't really work if you don't speak French, but I'll give you kind of the short end of it.
	So here's the context of the bit.
	And by the way, my first manager, a guy named Tony Camacho, anyone who knows anything about stand-up comedy, he used to book Rascals.
	He's a black manager, Dominican.
	And he signed me because I ended my set on the word.
	It was the last word of my set as a 17-year-old kid.
	And my bit was I had this whole bit about sort of, you know, white thugs in Montreal who had nothing in common with actual black American urban culture.
	And I said, you know, you have these white, you have these white French Canadians now.
	They're using words they see in rap video.
	They don't even grasp the meaning.
	And there was an act out a couple bits and it ended with, no, no, je véd voir pitor, vara citar, aki sa marche, beast nigger.
	And that was the bit.
	And if you understand French, it gives you more context, but it was just everyone would, it was my closer.
	And if you know in stand-up, you close with your best bit because, I mean, I grew up with this.
	And my manager at the Tony Camacho, a black guy, said, you know, it takes huge balls to do that.
	And he said, and that's just, you know, the context was perfect.
	And he said, we have it in the States, but with the French.
	And someone could take that now.
	I don't even know if that's still floating around.
	I don't do the bit anymore because it doesn't work in the States.
	And, you know, Paula Dean in a deposition, it was the question was, have you ever used the N-word?
	Who can say no to that?
	You know, context should matter.
	Well, yeah, I mean, I've never used it as an insult.
	Right.
	You know, that's the important thing.
	I've never thrown it at someone in an attempt to depreciate their value as a human being or anything like that.
	I like using it ironically because of the shock value of the word.
	Right.
	You know, it gets people to pay attention.
	My producer right now is looking like this.
	He's like, oh, I don't know if I can.
	Well, you need to understand, as you're more to the left, as someone who is, you know, labeled right-wing or conservative, there's no leeway.
	Yeah, I don't get called a racist much.
	Yeah, I get called a racist.
	It's not something I worry about, to be honest.
	Yeah, well, I think you're kind of feeling the brunt of what American conservatives, anti-authoritarians, whatever you want to call them, have felt for a long time.
	And I see a lot of people, even in the Gamergate crowd, who don't understand that it's a monster they've created.
	People who've accused me of being a racist, who've accused me of being a sexist with no proof, or people like you, but particularly me because I've been doing it for a long time, long before Gamergate.
	And now they're going, these language police are ridiculous.
	And I'm going, well, what did you expect?
	What did you think about that?
	Again, I need to stress that there is a very strong delineation between them.
	So there are a lot of people in the left who very much despise political correctness and the idea of identity politics very much.
	Again, I hate to just put everything on the shoulders of the extreme progressives, but they are the people who are.
	No, but I am talking in this case about people who now hate the political.
	You know, a perfect example, actually, even would be Seth McFarlane, who I think is hilarious.
	And we've written about him several times.
	Now, I've written about him and I've commended him and praised him because I go, hey, the guy now, he sent out a tweet.
	It's not enough to be offended nowadays.
	You have to be offended and demand that local government legislate your offense.
	Something like that.
	Yeah.
	But what people don't understand is that he's also in the past, you know, talked about things that were offensive or horrif or abhorrent or horrifying.
	He hasn't gone as far as legislation, but you have a lot of people who aren't necessarily, I guess, sort of neo-progressives, who wouldn't even realize it, who say, well, that's not okay, but this is ridiculous.
	I should be allowed to say this.
	And they don't understand either it's all okay or none of it's okay.
	You have to pick one with that.
	Yeah, I mean, I personally don't – in Britain, at least, there's a very clear delineation between the people who want to legislate language and not.
	And there are Britain is a generally left-leaning country.
	You would probably see what we consider our Conservative Party.
	And the only resemblance it would really have to a Republican Party is that they're very concerned with money.
	That's the same with Conservatives in Canada.
	Exactly.
	They're very, very left-leaning.
	Even, you know, they're not against gay marriage.
	They're not particularly religious.
	They are, you know, they don't look anything like American Conservatives.
	But I would even argue with you in that language.
	You know, the Conservatives in the United States are a huge tent.
	I mean, there are plenty of conservatives who are perfectly fine with same-sex marriage.
	There's a huge contingency of them who are against the war on drugs.
	As a matter of fact, I probably would say most conservatives now, and I've talked about this with my producer, Jared.
	You know, I've written about this.
	I am absolutely a Christian believer.
	I know we would differ on that, but there are things that I have to say, okay, this is me as a Christian, and then this is me as a constitutional American.
	And you have to say, you know, for example, I think drugs generally are pretty bad for people to take personally.
	I've seen it destroy lives.
	Again, being raised in Montreal where it's super prevalent.
	But if someone wants to take them as a constitutional American, I have to say that's your right.
	And I think there are a lot more, there are far more conservatives who think that way than many maybe in the UK realize.
	Well, that's interesting because that's, I think, one of the reasons that we're having a conversation right now.
	Because you don't strike me as being a man who's in the extremes.
	You strike me as being more sort of towards the center rather than towards the extreme.
	You don't strike me as a hardline, dogmatic conservative.
	But I am.
	I am.
	I am.
	And I would say that this way.
	You know, just right now, I was driving.
	I find it hard to believe if you're prepared to live and let live.
	That's the difference.
	Well, yes, that's the difference.
	But I'm just saying, as far as let's take, for example, the UK.
	I was thinking about this today because I was thinking about you on the way to the gym.
	That's how much you mean to me.
	And I was driving an SUV, tons of emissions, with a dog, a dog of Argentina, who would be banned in the UK with a gun.
	And I'm thinking that is about as extreme as it gets.
	I believe I absolutely have the right to have that gun.
	I have a right to have that dog, despite people trying to ban that breed of dog.
	And I have a right to drive that SUV because I like it.
	And listen, I don't need an SUV.
	The only reason I have it is because screw you and I like going to drive-in movies and we create a bed in the back.
	See, I don't see any of that as being extreme.
	Nope.
	Okay.
	None of that strikes me as extreme.
	you know you that that just strikes me to be it strikes me as being moderately um sort of american right wing you know that's and i i personally find that i have got a lot more in common with you than i do with the extreme progressives farther along the left And I'm personally not religious, but you're not interested in forcing your religion on other people.
	As far as I can tell, maybe you are.
	But you don't.
	Well, listen, no.
	Listen, there's a personal level, right?
	If you were like, well, Stephen, what is this about?
	Why do you believe what you believe?
	Listen, I absolutely would try and get you in church.
	I absolutely would say, hey, this has been great because I think it's improved my life, but I'm not trying to legislate it.
	Exactly.
	Well, that's the difference.
	There's one thing, talking to someone and saying, hey, these are my ideas.
	And if you're interested in hearing them, I'm interested in telling you them.
	Right.
	Forcing your way into someone's personal space and dictating to them, which is what I think the extreme far rights, that was the reason that I think they kind of ruined the right, to be honest.
	Yeah.
	The moral authority was, you know, a lot of it was coming from religion and that doesn't wash these days.
	Well, I think the problem too is, to be fair, you know, you see people, there are people making very, very reasonable arguments, let's say, against same-sex marriage.
	If you hear Dennis Prager, or, you know, I've talked about this.
	Well, actually, you know, I've not heard many.
	Could you give me one?
	Okay.
	Pastor like Stephen Boisson faced with a fine in jail in Canada because he said, I'm not going to marry two guys.
	And I consider this to be morally wrong.
	Lost his church.
	Actually, banned from speech.
	So here's the thing.
	To declare, I don't believe that marriage is a fundamental human right.
	I don't.
	No, I'm not talking about same-sex marriage.
	I don't believe it's a fundamental human right.
	I do think it would be great if the government were out of the marriage-running business, right?
	But you have to go, they are.
	So why are they?
	If you hear someone like Dennis Prager, and it kind of goes to now that the transgender and the transracial argument, which we were talking about in the pre-show show, you can make the argument that men and women aren't fundamentally interchangeable.
	And Milo Yiannopoulos makes this argument as a gay man that, for example, when people try and compare it to interracial marriage, well, I don't agree.
	I believe that a black mommy can do everything a white mommy can do.
	I don't believe two mommies can do everything a mommy and a daddy can do.
	I don't believe two daddies can do everything a daddy mommy can do.
	Now, that doesn't mean that they need to be treated like crap or states don't have the right to say, hey, they can get married, they can have civil unions, they can have property sharing rights.
	But there is a problem with declaring marriage a fundamental human right, not a civil right, a human birthright, because then it's very easy to prosecute churches of hate speech if they speak out against it.
	And that has happened in Canada, and it's happened in the UK.
	I mean, look at the businesses of bed and breakfasts who were run out of business for saying, well, we don't, we're Christians.
	We want to run our business this way.
	And our suite is reserved for married couples.
	Done.
	No more business.
	That's the slippery slope.
	See, now, so the only real objection to making marriage a human right rather than a civil right or anything like that is because you think that Christians will be effectively persecuted.
	It's probably a harsh word, but they are going to be suffering consequences because it's going to be transgressive to their beliefs.
	Yeah, and I'm not saying this is necessarily my opinion.
	I'm saying that you can hear people like Dennis Prager.
	This is a hypothetical.
	Yeah.
	It's about the argument of the church's right to, the church's right to the First Amendment and the interchangeability of sexes.
	That would be the argument that one would logically use against it.
	Not saying it necessarily stands up, but much more compelling than there's queers getting married, you know.
	Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
	I mean, see, I personally, I mean, I don't see why you couldn't have a secular marriage.
	I mean, in the UK, the church didn't get involved in marriages really until about the 18th century.
	And I mean, long before Christianity, people were getting married.
	It's not an institution that is exclusively tied to the church by any stretch of the imagination.
	But why is it recognized by the federal government in the United States?
	Well, probably for financial reasons.
	Well, because, no, no, and that's this is important.
	This is where, no, I'm not sure the American way, actually.
	That's part of it.
	But the big reason for the American way, and I mean, if you look at it with the Founding Fathers, it is riddled with this, even the ones who were deists like Franklin, Jefferson.
	I mean, Franklin believed in opening the first congressional meeting in prayer, and he was what you would consider a deist, certainly not a hardcore Christian, was before the federal government.
	And this is where the way the United States was, and this is why I say it's different from Europe in a sense.
	Again, we're just talking.
	I'm not lining up my arguments.
	Don't worry.
	Yeah, I know.
	Because, you know, you know, this goes on YouTube.
	Steven said queer and he said the N-word.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I'm not going to, I'm not going to do that.
	You're difficult.
	Well, the idea of federalism only works if states have their certain amount of sovereignty, states' rights, and that only works if municipalities have their rights.
	And they wanted the central building block of the United States to be the nuclear family.
	That was by design.
	They wanted to encourage that because they inherently believed in what dad and I would recognize is healthiest, conducive towards a strong society was mom, dad, and children.
	And they wanted to encourage that.
	So that's the only real reason why there are tax incentives, why it's recognized in the United States by the government.
	That's why marriage exists in the United States.
	I actually don't know why the UK government or why the church specifically got involved.
	I imagine it was merely just to have influence.
	I can understand, though, if that's the, as that being the case in the United States, there is an argument to be made.
	There's obviously a good reason the churches would have played along with all of this.
	They get influence themselves.
	And it's people in churches, you know.
	I'm not talking about the church.
	I'm talking about the government saying this is what we want.
	There's a reason why other entities would agree.
	And a conflicts of interest is what I'm saying.
	But I mean, I don't see any reason why you couldn't have secular marriages.
	I mean, I personally would be fine with marriages that didn't really involve the government as well.
	Oh, so would I. 100%.
	I'm sure the government wouldn't be thrilled about that.
	No, they're not going to get out of the marriage business.
	No, they're not.
	No.
	So I think the best one could reasonably ask for is secular marriages with, you know, or religious Christian ones, if that's the preference.
	I personally would do that because then you get the best of both worlds.
	Homosexual people can get married.
	They don't require a church.
	And, you know, people who run churches could, if they wanted to, have homosexual marriage.
	I know there are Anglican churches that do it.
	You know, so because Anglicanism is dying and they'd do anything.
	Well, here we call them Episcopalians.
	Well, yeah, they're on the outs.
	Really?
	They're growing rapidly here because of the gay thing.
	Well, then they're not here.
	They probably have had a bump because of that, to be honest.
	But I would think that this would satisfy the best of almost all worlds.
	You've got people who are traditional Christians who think homosexuality is immoral, but it's not within their remit to be able to force their opinions or beliefs on anyone else.
	And so it doesn't violate their beliefs if they can still have a traditional heterosexual marriage in the church.
	Right.
	A secular marriage that's that's the ideal.
	That's the idea.
	That would be the ideal.
	And I don't really see why anyone would be opposed to that.
	But there are a lot.
	Well, and the biggest people who are opposed to that are honestly same-sex marriage advocates.
	I mean, you're talking about people who go looking, looking to sue Christians out of business in the UK.
	I mean, you have case after case after case after case.
	Wherever you line up politically, I mean, people should have that.
	By the way, same here with the pizzeria.
	We talked about this.
	A lot of people, just you read the headline, and it's they have the right to hate.
	They didn't turn anyone away because they were gay.
	They served gay customers all the time.
	They didn't want to be involved in a specific activity catering a wedding that they believed to be immoral.
	Now, I don't know where you line up on that, but to me, that sounds entirely reasonable.
	And to compare it to slavery is asinine.
	You know, obviously it's nothing like slavery.
	No, that's a ridiculous position.
	Right.
	I'm not putting those words in your mouth, but I'm sure you've seen those arguments.
	But, you know, I've got no doubt that people have said these things.
	Yeah.
	Yeah.
	I guess I worry because, I mean, I suppose to play devil's advocate, you would have the argument that it's permitting discrimination based on preferences.
	No, it's not, though.
	It's not.
	It's permitting discrimination based on – No, they're not.
	They're not.
	They're not discriminating against.
	Already illegal.
	You cannot say, I won't serve you because you're gay.
	For example, you can say, I won't put a big veiny penis on that cake.
	Now, scale that back a little further.
	Listen, I will serve you pizza.
	You can eat here fine.
	I don't want to cater a gay wedding.
	I don't want to photograph a gay bachelor party.
	That's the argument in the United States.
	Do businesses have that?
	Well, the chain of logic that they're going to use against you is well, how is that not discrimination?
	Because you are effectively still refusing service at a wedding, not just at your shop, on the basis of their sexual orientation.
	No, I personally, just clarify, I would have no particular problem with that.
	If they, if you know, from in my point of view, they could decline a contract for whatever their job, whatever their work, for whatever reason they like, in my opinion.
	I think that's the merit of the free market because you can go across the street to the other pizza areas.
	We don't care, you know, we'll take your money.
	But I can see where the other argument is coming from on the other side.
	And again, not that I agree with him, but I can see how it would be persuasive if weaponized in the right way.
	Well, that's the point that I was making.
	You don't realize that if you concede that territory, that's the slippery slope.
	It's not discriminating against preference.
	It's a specific activity.
	And I think that's a perfect example because it was so clear, served gay people.
	They were set up.
	Again, the spirit of it, it was weaponization.
	It was, hey, they'll serve me if I'm gay, but I bet you they won't cater a gay wedding.
	Let's try and put these people out of business.
	Well, this is the problem.
	What you find is the extreme left are very secular.
	Very secular.
	Sure.
	In fact, they're secular to the point where they loathe and despise Christianity.
	They can't stand it.
	They're fine with Islam for some reason.
	It's weird.
	They're not big fans of Judaism, you know, because, well, I don't know.
	I mean, if you look at it.
	Neither are the Muslims, so they're in good company.
	Well, yeah, but that's the thing.
	If you look at an Israeli and a Muslim, there's not all that much difference between them if you look.
	Right.
	But apparently, the Muslims are slightly darker and therefore they're the better people.
	Is that actually accurate?
	Are they slightly darker?
	Like in the I think they are slightly darker, but it's not a big, it's really not a big difference.
	I wouldn't be able to tell.
	No, no, but that's the thing.
	They look at what Israel is doing to Palestine.
	And don't get me wrong, I'm not a supporter of what Israel does to Palestine.
	It's a thorny, complex issue.
	I'm a huge supporter of what they do to Hamas.
	Not Palestinian.
	Well, that's the difference.
	But the thing is, in doing what they do to Hamas, they recruit people from the Palestinians because there's no winning that fight, unfortunately.
	But anyway, it's, you know, that's a different talk.
	Well, I know.
	Well, that's the thing.
	Let's go.
	We're talking so much about the gay stuff.
	Everyone on your YouTube is going to be like, we got off on it.
	But I think it's just, you know, that's not my thing.
	I don't, I mean, I think it's good to hammer out a principle, you know, because that's what we're really talking about here.
	You know, it's just an example to show the demonstration of the principle.
	Well, you saw my video on the gay thing, and that offended so many Christians and secularists.
	And I thought was an entirely reasonable position that I just had to remove it from.
	I kept it on YouTube, but the Facebook page and stuff, people were just, again, responding to a headline, not really listening to what I had to say.
	It's a discussion.
	It's very difficult to have like this.
	Yeah, that will happen.
	Yeah.
	And I mean, when I said, you know, I was like, well, I don't think anyone chooses to be gay any more than I choose my sexual desires.
	And there's there, no, they're all.
	I completely agree with you as well.
	I don't think being gay is a choice.
	I really don't.
	I don't.
	Right.
	You know, I fail to see why someone would choose that if given the option.
	You know, it doesn't.
	Milo says he still would.
	He says he enjoys.
	No, no, actually, he does.
	Yeah, no, that's true, doesn't he?
	Yeah, he does.
	He's coming.
	No, Boy George did.
	And Milo was like, I don't know that I would, but I do enjoy the identity politics of being a gay.
	Yeah, he's got an advantage there.
	It does, yeah.
	And he always says, I can get away with murder.
	And he's right.
	Yeah, he absolutely can.
	He's so wonderfully flamboyant with it.
	And he's very charming.
	So that really helps.
	He's a very, well, gay men tend to be.
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's very difficult to hate them until it gets to like, well, that's another thing, too.
	People, I remember reading an interview, like, I got in trouble because I did a bit where I said that, hey.
	Gayness is still funny and that's okay.
	And they were like, oh, dude, you say that.
	Yeah, I was like, I mean, it's, you know, and it's different.
	Like, I talked about the reason it's funny to straight men.
	And let's be honest, you know, you're going to walk up and you constantly make gay jokes with your buddies, just like you make, oh, you know, you know, do you need a tampon, you know, just if a guy's acting, it's just something we do.
	It's how we connect, just like women connect over gossiping over other women.
	I know my patriarchy is showing it's a stereotype, but it's absolutely true.
	And, you know, I had a bit where I said, the reason that gay stuff is funny to a straight man, okay?
	Now, there's nothing funny about if you were to right now be like, by the way, I love penis.
	It wouldn't be very funny because, like, oh, okay.
	I didn't know.
	All humans based on absurdity.
	Right.
	When there's, and it's absurd, like to the straight man, someone who's flamboyantly gay, acting like a woman, it's so outside of the natural realm of our possibilities in our mind.
	No, no, totally.
	It's as absurd as like a duck wearing pajamas.
	And if you saw a duck wearing pajamas, you'd be like, holy crap, and you'd laugh.
	And it's the same thing when two guys have sex.
	No, absolutely.
	A lot of the time, I like offensive jokes just because they piss people off.
	I've actually been cultivating a selection of rape jokes just because it pisses feminists off so much.
	I really never cared for rape jokes before.
	I'm picturing you like, I'm picturing you like a farmer.
	I'm out to cultivate the rape joke field.
	Oh, no.
	I collect them now, like a connoisseur.
	Now that I know it, it really pisses them off.
	But I mean, I like rape jokes a lot, but a lot of them are quite forced, you know.
	Oh, I see what you did there.
	But yeah, no, it's, I just do it just to piss them off because at the end of the day, being offended makes no difference to anything whatsoever, unless you're the subject of a Twitter hate mob, which like with Tim Hunt recently, it can be.
	But thankfully, I'm my own boss on my YouTube channel.
	So that doesn't really happen to me.
	But this is the problem.
	A lot of people are taking their offense very seriously.
	And that's, in fact, one of their main weapons.
	You know, they very much weaponize being offended, get into a mob on Twitter and come at whoever is, you know, not really, not really experienced in dealing with these people.
	That's the thing.
	It's only by long exposure to these people I know how to handle what they do.
	Yeah.
	And a lot of people aren't like that.
	You know, they're just, you know, the scientists in the lab, they're working away.
	And suddenly they've got thousands of people demanding the same thing.
	They're like, oh, my, oh my God, as if there's going to be some consequence if they don't do what they're being demanded of, you know?
	But it turns out that there's no consequence whatsoever.
	It's just wind and fury and noise.
	And if you just ignore it, it goes away.
	Unless you get sued.
	I mean, you see like the, you know, like I said, the bed and breakfast owners there in the UK or pastors.
	You know, they can use the courts.
	And, you know, and both sides of that, by the way.
	That's why I'm not a fan of Donald Trump.
	He used the courts with eminent domain.
	And it's, you know, the one thing I always said, though, in Canada, and I'm sure it's probably Simmon, you know, there are not nearly as many lawsuits as the States.
	Now, in Canada, there's not nearly enough.
	And in the States, there are too many.
	There needs to be some to keep someone honest.
	And that was when I did stand-up at Marianapolis College.
	I remember they built a stage that broke through, and it's just, it's just shredded my knee.
	I've never walked the same since.
	And I was thinking like, oh man, if this were the States, I'd never have to work again.
	Now, I would never do that.
	But at the same time, they didn't even consider like, oh, we should probably, you know.
	Really?
	That sounds like a good reason to actually sue someone.
	You know, if they built something properly, it actually has given you lasting damage.
	That sounds like a lawsuit to me, but I'm no legal expert.
	Well, yeah, you know, and I didn't want to.
	I just wanted them to pay the medical bill because, contrary to popular belief, socialized medicine in Canada still actually costs money.
	And it was, anyway, I just remember that and I remember thinking, like, this is one of those things where they probably are going to do this again.
	Someone else is going to get hurt and they should be kept accountable to some degree.
	But then in the United States, you have ambulance chasers like John Edwards.
	Yeah, you'd be rolling in it.
	Yeah, I would be rolling in it with my gimpy leg.
	You'd be playing up in court.
	Well, the worst part is I had to finish my set.
	So I popped my knee out and I had done 45 minutes.
	I was contracted to an hour set.
	And I'm a pretty, I mean, even here, I don't, I don't swear a lot every now and then, but my set is very politically incorrect.
	I mean, I was banned by the next college for a Muhammad joke on this tour.
	And I, I, I, I, so I'm clean.
	And then what happens is I pop my knee goes out, you know, the state, and I just start like, I was just swearing and yelling, and everyone was just roaring.
	They thought like this is the greatest lay-low strategy in comedy history, clean and now just filthy.
	And I was just, it was just the pain, you know?
	I don't, there's something psyche, there's something in neuropsychiatry that it helps with pain to cut.
	I've got no doubt.
	I've got no doubt.
	Probably like racist.
	It helps to use, you know, the N-word as an insult.
	Yeah, I just like pissing people off who can't take a joke.
	I really do.
	It's, it's one of my favorite activities.
	I've got no problem being, you know, calm and polite to people who deserve me being calm and polite.
	But as soon as someone starts taking themselves too seriously and preaching upon others, then I just can't really hold myself back.
	Let me ask you this.
	In the UK, is there a culture of if someone of automatically giving some kind of validity to someone's offense as there is from progressives in the states?
	Yeah, it's a real issue, to be honest.
	Really?
	Oh, gotcha.
	Oh, yeah, no, no.
	This is this, this is where we come to like the Rotherham rape trials, the rape gangs.
	Basically, these gangs of mostly almost entirely Muslim men would operate as, well, a grooming gang to find young British girls who were 12 to 14, that sort of age.
	That's getting pretty old for someone like Muhammad.
	He liked him six to nine.
	Well, he does, yeah.
	But they get them drunk, intoxicated, and then they would obviously take advantage.
	And the police reports, there was a big report done by a doctor.
	I can't remember her name now, but a respected doctor.
	And basically, the summary was the police were afraid of taking action because they were afraid of being called racists, as if that is somehow a justification to allow these Muslim men to rape underage girls.
	It's just despicable.
	Yeah, no, it's absolutely despicable.
	And the thing is, it's not necessarily, I mean, there were prominent figures in the Muslim community who were going to the police and saying, look, this is happening.
	You want to stop it.
	And the police were like, oh, we don't want to get involved.
	they started treating the young girls as if they were prostitutes or something and it was it's really bizarre but it was all a big all the feminists were too busy defending mattress girl oh Well, absolutely.
	Yeah, I haven't heard a word about it from feminists, you know, but it turned into a giant clusterfuck where a bunch of people resigned, a bunch of people got fired, a bunch of people heads rolled basically because of it.
	And because the public found out about it, and they were fucking furious.
	They were like, and this includes like, I mean, I did a video on it.
	I had Muslim guys on my video going, this is fucking disgraceful.
	How can this be allowed to carry on?
	And it's just like, well, we're all on the same page here.
	You know, a few, a bunch of bad apples who have given who are given, you know, legal protection by the word racist have gone out and done their thing.
	I mean, this happens.
	And I don't want people to think that it's a symptom necessarily of the Muslim community.
	We've had the same problem with like paedophile rings in the government and in the BBC.
	So it's not like white people are exempt from this either.
	It's just people who are given some kind of diplomatic cover, legal cover to operate without repercussion.
	Is that the case with that?
	No, there's no other way to say it.
	That brown guy who pissed off Robert Downey Jr.
	You know what I'm talking about?
	That interviewer.
	I think he's BBC or something.
	Remember, he was interviewing Robert Downey Jr.
	Robert Downey Jr. walked out on him.
	Short brown guy, glasses.
	Oh, I heard something about it, but I don't know anything about that one.
	I'm sure.
	Anyway, I was talking with Milo, I think, about this.
	He was at some conference.
	Typical gay man, much more interested in the drama.
	Yeah, that's exactly.
	But he kept interviewing me, trying to catch me.
	He's on your television all the time.
	I can't remember his name, but if you go Google the Robert Downey interview, Robert Downey walked out on him because he actually asked Robert Downey from a quote about being a conservative where he said, you know, he said that you can't go from a $2,000 night suite in the mirage to a padded cell and come out of it a conservative.
	Come out of that not a conservative.
	What did you mean by that?
	He was like, are we going to talk about Iron Man or are we good?
	And he walked out.
	So you'll see it.
	And I don't know.
	I gave him a Cockney accent.
	He doesn't have it.
	I don't know.
	But that guy.
	I don't know what it was.
	I'm sorry.
	I have no idea.
	It's like merged with.
	I don't know.
	You know, if I have a specific person I have in mind, maybe I can do it.
	But by the way, we talked about this in Milo.
	You Brits suck at doing the American accent.
	I'm tired of hearing, oh, Bridget Jones got Americans can't do the English accent.
	Watch a Liam Neeson movie.
	The guy, I know he's Irish.
	Or is he Scottish?
	He's Irish.
	He's Irish.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, I. Michael Kane can never do it.
	He's never even come close.
	I can't think of any.
	Oh, no, no.
	Hang on.
	Hang on.
	Walking Dead.
	Andrew Lincoln.
	Rick Grimes on The Walking Dead.
	He's English.
	He's fucking English.
	I thought so.
	You know what?
	I thought him.
	I honestly, I didn't know, but I thought so because I was talking with my wife.
	I'm like, he over-exaggerates his words.
	The same thing happened with Charlie Hunnam in Sons of Anarchy, where he's sitting there and Gemma.
	I have to go take care of business, Gemma.
	It's not quite like the black comedians who do the white man voice, but it's getting there.
	I love Dave Chappelle's white man voice.
	I couldn't do that all day.
	I swear.
	I really could.
	But no, I think Andrew Lincoln does a good American accent.
	I can't tell the difference when I'm watching Walking Dead.
	Yeah, well, yeah, but we can't.
	He's the only guy.
	He's the only one.
	Well, there's a perfect example, actually.
	My wife, to give you an example, can't stand feminists, my wife.
	Same as mine.
	Yeah.
	And by the way, my wife, super, super strong woman.
	We had her on the show, actually, because she hit me in the Costco parking lot, like hard.
	And so we had her on to talk about it.
	And I was like, now, do you know I didn't hit you back?
	Because I'm sexist.
	And she's like, well, you deserved it.
	I'm like, I may have deserved it.
	What you deserve was exactly what you gave, but you don't because I love you.
	I find that ironic.
	A lot of the people who can't stand feminists are the strongest women.
	Generally.
	Mine's exactly the same.
	You remember when Whoopi Goldberg was like, don't punch like a man if you're not prepared to take a punch like a man.
	Right.
	My missus was completely on board with that.
	She was like, well, they shouldn't have punched if they don't expect to get punched back.
	You know, if they don't want to get punched back, don't throw the first punch.
	She's completely, it sounds very, very similar to yours, in fact.
	You know, she's very, very strong.
	Well, you know, she takes no shits.
	She never has done.
	Yes.
	And what's interesting, too, and so she very much admires, you know, I'm a more aggressive guy.
	My personality, it's the way I am.
	And that comes with, you know, it's a double-edged sword.
	I'm very loyal, but I can also be abrasive.
	I totally acknowledge that.
	She hated Rick Grimes the first two seasons and actually leaned toward Shane?
	Shane.
	And then when there was that duality that was sort of created because there was no Shane and Rick Grimes could take on both roles, all of a sudden she found him an attractive character.
	Did that happen with your wife?
	I don't think she actually finds either of them particularly attractive.
	I never asked, to be honest.
	She likes Dale?
	I hope so.
	That's no threat for me.
	Right, exactly.
	Yeah, no, I mean, no, I never asked her.
	I'll have to ask her.
	But I personally preferred Shane.
	I thought Shane was a great character.
	I was gutted when he went.
	I tell you how.
	Yeah.
	Well, you know what's tough about that?
	You're like, well, he's not really wrong in a lot of issues.
	I mean, except for when he killed that one guy, shot him in recap.
	I was like, okay.
	But that's the survival issue.
	I mean, you know, it's still, still.
	Yeah, it was wrong.
	Don't get me wrong.
	But I hate what's her name.
	Sorry, we're getting off the track.
	But I'm sure Gamergates, I love Walking Dead.
	I forget her name.
	I always forget this character's name.
	It's typical American white girl named the blonde main one who, you know, slept with the Woodbury guy.
	The main governor, Andrea.
	Andrea, that's her name.
	Yeah.
	I turned to my wife.
	We're watching the show because I remember the first season, her sister died.
	And we're like talking about, you know, I remember back when we were with dad and we're talking about like being sisters.
	I'm going, hold on a second.
	Her sister's 16.
	She looks 55.
	Yeah.
	Look at this.
	Yeah.
	She's, she's, um, she looks like she's at least in her 40s.
	At least.
	No way.
	No way.
	I mean, I actually thought she was a great character.
	And I love the governor.
	I absolutely love the governor.
	Everyone, like, I hate the governor because he's such a bad guy.
	I said, yeah, but that's what's so good about him.
	I love a good antagonist, man.
	Yeah.
	And again, you kind of understand.
	You're like, well, I mean, and that's, I think that there was a point in this country, maybe in the UK, where no one, no one would like Shane, the governor, at all.
	But because we've been told that, you know, masculinity is bad and leadership is inherently an example of patriarchy.
	I think people, there's that rubber band effect of coming back going, you know what?
	We need a little bit of badassery in our heroes.
	Hell yeah.
	I think, honestly, I think the greatest stories are the ones with the best antagonists, you know, because a good hero really isn't that hard to write, really.
	I mean, I'm not a writer, but I can see plenty of good heroes in plenty of things.
	But to find a really sort of sparkling antagonist is a really memorable, challenging, dangerous one.
	Because, I mean, think about like when the governor and Rick were having that meeting and thing, you saw the governor had a gun just below the table.
	And oh man, that was the tensest scene in the world.
	Nothing came of it.
	But I was watching it.
	I was just absolutely riveted, you know, and it all because the governor was such an unpredictable character and Rick was kind of losing his shit.
	Yeah, I think actually even better than that scene, but similar.
	Did you see X-Men First Class?
	I did.
	It's been a while.
	James McAvoy.
	Yep.
	And an English guy who plays Magneto.
	I've always forget his name.
	Fastbender?
	Yes.
	Yeah.
	Is that his name?
	I always forget it.
	But there's a scene, I don't know if you remember, where he's in the Swiss Alps and he's drinking the beer and he sees the swastika.
	And as his sleeve goes down, you see his number of being in an internment camp on his forearm.
	Yeah.
	Do you remember that?
	He goes and he goes, you know, he orders a beer.
	And this is to me one of the, and I thought it was a fantastic film.
	I put as far as superhero films, Dark Knight.
	It was a very good film.
	That's right up there.
	And anyways, for those watching who haven't seen it, spoiler alert.
	Sorry, there's a scene.
	It's been out for years.
	Yeah, I know.
	It's your fault.
	Someone's like, don't ruin Superman 2.
	But he goes and he orders beer, a beer, and it's in like this tall glass.
	And then he goes, you know, they go, Bitberga, Zevest.
	I remember they're talking about, I'm a beer.
	Are you sure that wasn't in Argentina?
	Was it Argentina?
	It was Argentina.
	Yeah, obviously, Swiss Alps.
	I thought it was an Argentina.
	Yeah, no, no, I know.
	Okay, I don't know.
	Listen, again, it's been years.
	I'm forgetting.
	So it's right.
	It was in Argentina.
	And he's sitting there drinking.
	And he said, what?
	My father was in Poland, was it Warsaw?
	He's talking with them.
	And they go, these Nazis, they're drinking.
	And they go, what was his name?
	And he's drinking.
	He says, he didn't have a name.
	And his sleeve comes down.
	You see the number on him from the internment camp.
	And they're all sitting there drinking their beer, you know, about ready to reach for the guns.
	And he just uses the magneto power to just kill them.
	I remember sitting there, that moment where they're all drinking their beer, and that was that stare down, was to me one of the most overlooked moments in modern cinema.
	No, it was very good.
	Anyways, you reminded me of it with the Rick Rhimes thing.
	I'm a big fan of good fiction.
	This is true.
	Have you seen the hate over Game of Thrones recently?
	I don't watch Game of Thrones.
	Well, it's not even important that you do.
	What you should do is, well, no, what you should do is Google feminism Game of Thrones.
	Oh, yeah, that's right, because people got mad.
	It wasn't about the wedding or something.
	Oh, no, no, the wedding is not the issue.
	That was ages ago.
	And that wasn't really feminists getting their knickers and the twisted.
	I thought there was something about the wedding night that got people mad.
	Am I right?
	No.
	Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
	There's this character called Sansa who was raped on her wedding night, which they did all get very mad about.
	But they're more like overarchingly mad about the series because in their minds, all of the women have been poorly treated.
	And it's a really interesting thing.
	All the women have been poorly treated in their minds, and nothing that they've done is empowering.
	And, you know, a few of them have died and stuff.
	And people are just like, look, you know, it's Game of Thrones, don't you?
	Everyone gets it.
	Exactly.
	Everyone fucking dies.
	There are no real good guys.
	And the people who were good guys were the first to get fucking killed.
	You know, some of the really good guys get their head popped off and shit for fuck's sake.
	And you're complaining that, oh, well, these women were in jail.
	It's like, really, that's this one guy got tortured and his knack is cut off.
	Right.
	For Christ's sake, you know, so, but they're really getting their knickers and twists about it.
	But the thing is, it really speaks volumes because they're getting bothered because it's a woman.
	And if these things were happening to male characters, they don't care.
	You know, what's happening to these female characters in the series, they're all character-forming moments, you know?
	Sure.
	One woman, spoilers here, but one woman had to walk through the streets of her city naked as a religious penance for being morally bankrupt according to the religion.
	Do you see this walk through the street?
	You do.
	You do.
	Time to put it in my view.
	It's worth watching.
	And it's very much in your face.
	The crowd are very, very brutal towards her.
	She gets spat on.
	She gets stuff chucked at her.
	She gets knocked over.
	I mean, she's got bleeding feet by the time she gets there.
	It's a very, very dramatic thing.
	True.
	And it's an excellent character forming moment.
	You know, you can tell that this is going to change who she is as a person.
	And the feminists are going, but listen, they go, how could you do this to this character?
	It's like, look, there's nothing wrong with these things happening to fictional characters.
	You know, this gives you, this is what's meant to draw you into the character.
	So the next series, when she's a different person, she's hardened, she's, you know, even more determined and all this sort of thing, she'll be a better character for it.
	And they're furious at that.
	And they attack the stoning of Soraya M as propaganda when it's an actual story.
	A story that occurs all the time, by the way.
	Did you ever see this?
	The stoning of Soria M?
	Did you ever see that?
	No, I didn't.
	No.
	No, it's an actual story.
	And it's the wife who played Mary in Passion of the Christ.
	That's the only other thing I think she did.
	Sorry, I know if you're Israeli, you kind of get typecast.
	And it was a story, a true story, but I think they have the numbers.
	I mean, like a dozen a day in Iran.
	This happens, women get stoned.
	Of a woman whose husband just wanted another younger wife.
	And so he just accused her of, it didn't even take anything.
	He just accused her of being in a room with a man without other witnesses.
	And so they stoned her to death.
	And it's a true story.
	And if you've never seen it, I mean, it's not a fun watch.
	I'm not going to lie.
	But it is stoning is not what you probably think it is.
	And when you watch it, you go, oh, that's what happens.
	It's incredibly real.
	Buried up to her neck in mud and then rocks chucked to the head.
	And spoiler alert, there's a moment there, and I think this is what they thought was propaganda.
	The son throws the first stone at his mom because the dad gives it to the son.
	And that's, you know, this is Islam.
	This is what we do.
	This is the right thing to do.
	And, you know, you don't get killed.
	You don't get knocked out by the stone.
	You know, it's just a matter of time and you bleed out.
	And it's incredibly brutal.
	It's a true story.
	And the left attacked it as propaganda.
	And then they'll attack Game of Thrones for something that's fictional.
	It's just an irony.
	Well, it's amazing how much control they want over fiction.
	It's really bizarre.
	I mean, this is one of the main problems we're having in gaming at the moment.
	They keep complaining about fictional games.
	And it's like, well, the gaming industry is enormous.
	You know, it's worth more than the film industry.
	There are games of every genre you can think of.
	You know, there are games that are predominantly bought by women, like, you know, things like Farmville, Candy Crush.
	And then you've got whole genres of games that people don't seem to even know about.
	Like, you've got point-and-click sort of investigative games where the aim is to kind of find story items on the screen to connect a story together.
	I don't really know anything about them, but they're massively popular with women.
	You know, they're just really, really popular.
	They're not competitive.
	You know, they're not aggressive.
	And these games are completely ignored.
	You know, they never mention these games.
	They talk about the high-octane, very masculine games that men enjoy.
	And you get people like Anita Sarkeesian who call it toxic masculinity and all these, yeah, exactly, all these other things.
	And she basically is deliberately attacking these people's character.
	And then she wonders why she gets people on Twitter saying, hey, why don't you just fuck off?
	You know, seriously, you know, no one's forcing you to play it.
	No one's forcing you to watch it.
	If you just left it, you wouldn't know anything about it.
	Just fuck off.
	And then she's like, look at all this harassment I'm getting on Twitter.
	It's like, yeah, but you went to them.
	Right.
	They were playing their fucking crappy Call of Duty game.
	And you came along and like, oh, you're such bad people for enjoying this.
	Oh, violence.
	Oh, woe is, you know, watch me swoon.
	Well, that's, and that's something I've seen for, as a matter of fact, I did a public speech ahead of, I'm sorry, in front of some kind of provincial board in Quebec because we all do oral presentations, a persuasive oral.
	And I won in my class.
	And what it was, was about the hypocritical moral standards of Quebec.
	And a fulcrum of it was the film rating system.
	I don't know what you have in the UK.
	It's, you know, in the States.
	Is it a different rating system than the United States?
	It probably is, but it probably operates in a similar way.
	I'm not all that familiar with it.
	But we've got like, you know, Universal PG-13 or 15.
	Right.
	Well, in Quebec, I saw like Jerry Maguire when I was 11, which is a fantastic film.
	One of my favorite comedies ever, but it's not appropriate for someone who's a minor.
	Same thing with, it wasn't Dangerous Minds, but there were a few that were rated G, and I went down the list.
	But if there's a single gunshot, PG-14.
	If there's any kind of war, PG-16.
	So you can literally have softcore pornography.
	The most profane kind of, and listen, I'm not saying that people, I'm not saying we should ban those movies.
	What I'm saying is their rating system was always skewed that any kind of violence was inherently immoral.
	Not there's moral violence and immoral violence.
	You can use a gun to rape a woman or you can use a gun to stop a rape.
	It was, if there's a gun, PG-14.
	But any kind of sexual activity was inherently art.
	And it was a really twisted rating system.
	It was inherently art.
	Art.
	Art.
	Yeah, it was artistic.
	Yeah, no, that's that's really bizarre.
	What's the film of Jodie Foster where she gets raped on a pinball machine?
	I can't remember the name of it now.
	Is that recent?
	You mean the brave one?
	No, no, there's a while ago, years ago, in fact, probably 20 years old.
	She's been raped quite a few times in films, I guess.
	I guess she must have been someone in the comments on that after this.
	But there's a film where Jodie Hunt's raped on a pinball machine by a bunch of fucking truckers or something.
	Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
	Jodie Foster, victim of rape in the film.
	Um...
	I can't remember.
	It'll come to me after this.
	But that would be considered art, would it?
	I don't know about that specific film, you know, because there would be the combination of violence.
	But I'm saying, you know, you could have a film where there was sex that was completely unnecessary.
	Like, you know, films like when I was growing up that would be, you know, college frat, like scary movie, stuff like that, you know, could get a G.
	And so what ratings are G?
	General.
	Oh, save everything.
	Yeah, it would be rated alongside, you know, Pixar, you know, A Bug's Life or right alongside Finding Nemo.
	But you could have a Trans, but a Transformers movie would be PG-14 or PG-16.
	Am I giving you a better contrast?
	Oh, yeah, I'm with you.
	I'm with you.
	Yeah.
	So, and that always bothered me because I remember no one.
	Well, we had an MR, MRE was a moral religious education in Quebec.
	And they came in and they did this exercise.
	It's kind of like a, it's like a gay Rorschach test.
	And I mean, literally like gay, because it was to automatically tell you that you were wrong for being a man because any answer a boy gave was bad.
	And any answer the girl gave was good.
	So it was like a guy, it was like a pin up to like a, I don't know what you call those, a life-size cutout.
	And then a hand, and it was covered.
	It was draped.
	And they go, now, what do you think he has underneath this?
	You know, the women are laying, he might have a pantheon.
	Yes, he might have a pantsaw.
	And then like one guy said he could have a gun.
	And the teacher goes, yes, you could have a bad thing.
	And I got kicked out of class because I actually, at this point, argued, I said, a gun is not a bad thing.
	And I was kicked out.
	They called the principal.
	Literally, I mean, I would have been seven.
	I would have been seven.
	Holy shit.
	And how long ago was that?
	How old are you?
	27.
	Right, so 20 years ago, Jesus.
	Because I mean, this sort of thing is happening a lot now, but I can't believe, I mean, maybe in Canada, I suppose.
	Well, handguns are effectively, I think they're pretty much illegal in Quebec.
	I mean, if you have them, it's like maybe relegated to target shooting, but the principle of being able to defend your home with a handgun is non-existent.
	As a matter of fact, they would just, it was like a joke, like, Americans, you know, go there.
	Good luck not getting shot.
	You know, that's just what they thought.
	Well, I mean, they're probably looking at the stats, I suppose, aren't they?
	Yeah, but if you remember, it's not a really very fair.
	First off, violent crime is higher in the UK than the United States when you compare violent crime to violent crime on a same basis.
	Now, for me.
	It is, but deadly violent crime is a lot more.
	Yeah, that's because of the tool.
	Exactly.
	So that in itself is an argument against guns, isn't it?
	Well, no.
	Let me give you a couple of things here.
	The stat changes dramatically when you remove gang on gang violence.
	You remove that and it gets much closer.
	I mean, you're talking about single-digit percentage points.
	And then when you add to the fact that there are far more knifings in the UK, if you're held up, if you're mugged at knife point, you're much more likely to be in.
	I think if we're going to start removing gangs from the equation, you've got to remove most of them as well.
	Most of the knifings in the UK are gang-related.
	Are they?
	Yeah.
	Okay, but even said, even then.
	But most of it is 16-year-old kids in London knifing each other because they're gang members.
	Okay, but even then this they like to think they like to they like they perform some sort of parody of American gang culture because they've seen it on TV.
	Yeah.
	But it's nowhere near as bad.
	You know, it's nowhere near as bad.
	And so they perform this kind of parody of it where they think that, and we, you know, we call it chavs.
	They've got their own subculture and everything.
	But yeah, a lot of that is kids and gangs.
	Well, it's still irrelevant to the stat that I was going to talk about.
	If you are mugged with a knife, but it's good.
	If you remove gangs, the numbers are probably much more similar.
	Obviously, guns are more accessible in the United States, as I believe they should be.
	Same thing here in the United States.
	You don't have homeowners who get put in prison for defending their houses with guns, which you do get in the UK.
	Actually, that's recently been sort of repealed.
	There was, like you said, a bunch of cases where burglars would break in, someone would defend themselves, and then they'd be in trouble for defending themselves.
	Even if it was a Lego gun for instilling fear.
	Yeah, but the thing is, there was quite a bit of backlash about that.
	And it happened not so long ago, and the judge was very firmly on the homeowner's side.
	So it's several cases.
	I know, but I think that the tide, the public opinion Has changed because it's ridiculous.
	You know, it's an absolutely ridiculous state of things.
	I might be wrong.
	I'd have to check, but I'm pretty sure that that's the case at the moment.
	Okay, I would have to check, but I might be wrong as well.
	So that's fair.
	It's a wash.
	We're both like, we're right.
	It definitely did happen, though.
	Definitely did.
	Well, I'm talking about the case where a guy actually built, had a Lego gun and he got in trouble and he was charged with instilling fear with a deadly weapon because the criminal thought it was a deadly weapon.
	The fact that it wasn't was ridiculous.
	So that, and by the way, that's the kind of atmosphere that bred the success of Dirty Harry because that's what happened in the 70s, in the 60s and 70s, where the laws favored criminals and people felt very powerless.
	And so they loved this cop of Dirty Harry who just took it into his own hands and blew people away.
	Why is Jared laughing?
	Who is the Lego gun in their nightstand?
	Oh, who has a Lego gun in their nightstand?
	He's asking me, sorry.
	Jared, you can come in here real quick.
	What was it you're saying?
	So who just has a Lego gun in their nightstand just ready to go?
	I don't think that's that what you resort to in the UK.
	That's what it's come to.
	I've never even heard of that.
	Do you guys not have NERP over there?
	It's got a broken fence over here.
	We've got plenty of non-lethal, non-dangerous firearm approximations.
	All right, can I get to my media?
	You're instill fear.
	Okay, all right, Jared.
	Get the hell off the shelf.
	My point is this: people don't understand this.
	And again, if you haven't taken a gun firearm safety course or if you haven't taken a legitimate self-defense course, in a mugging with a gun, it's a very slim chance that you're getting shot.
	They want to take your stuff.
	In a mugging with a knife, there's a very good chance that you're getting cut because they understand that people inherently believe they can outrun a knife.
	So to show you that they're serious, they get close, they put the knife in your throat, or they cut you once to let you know they mean business because they know they can cut you in a way that's non-lethal.
	Whereas with a gun, a criminal is going, I just want the stuff.
	I don't want to get jailed for murder.
	They're okay with taking the risk of cutting you.
	So people who get mugged at knife point generally sustain more consistent, greater injuries than people mugged at gunpoint.
	So my point is the tool is hard statistics before I made any kind of judgment.
	It's not an unreasonable sounding argument, but a part of me thinks that there are a lot of arguments that do sound reasonable on the surface.
	But if you were to actually look at a thousand cases, then it wouldn't necessarily be as cut and dry as it was.
	It's hard to find the data.
	What you would have to look at is.
	But that's the problem, isn't it?
	Yes.
	If you look at data of just knifings or muggings that involve knives, injuries are pretty consistent.
	Now, I haven't seen something that compares both of them, but I do have a lot.
	I mean, we have Chail Sunnin coming on next.
	Pat Militich trains police officers.
	So I have some access information that I hate to do that.
	I have access and you don't.
	But that's sometimes that happens.
	But it does make sense, too.
	I mean, if you think about it, with a knife, anywhere within 30, I don't know if the number is 30 feet or 30 yards, or you're going to go meters.
	You're actually much better off having a knife, even if it's against someone with a gun who's holstered.
	That's something people don't realize.
	When you think of the range, I'm a super pro-gun guy.
	I can tell.
	Yeah, well, largely because, listen, I mean, when I was asked in Russia today, well, why would you need to buy more than one gun at once?
	Because, screw you.
	That's why.
	Yeah, because I want one.
	And I've had, listen, I've had plenty of threats.
	If you are entitled to be able to own guns under your constitution, then there's no reason that you shouldn't.
	It's your right, you know.
	Right.
	And this, it becomes a point of principle because I'm actually genuinely concerned about.
	I had a conversation with Adam Baldwin, the actor, a couple of days ago.
	And he's on your program?
	Yeah, yeah, he was on my podcast.
	Just audio, though, right?
	He won't do video these days.
	Yeah, no, it was more, it was because it was Skype and he was on his phone.
	So it was, you know, in practice.
	Okay, yeah.
	But he's very convinced that America will be fine.
	And I'm really not as optimistic as that.
	I'm looking at the militarization and the mindset that's being instilled into certain police forces.
	And it really worries me.
	I mean, if you look at the Ferguson riots, one of the most shocking things was the way the police went into it with their guns in people's faces.
	Wait, which one?
	The Ferguson riots.
	Oh, yeah.
	I mean, don't be wrong.
	I'm not on the side of the protesters.
	I mean, burning down local businesses and all this.
	Fucking ridiculous.
	But the way the cops handled it was awful.
	It was absolutely awful.
	And it spoke to a very, very poor set of training that they were.
	Well, that's a little different.
	And we've talked about this.
	I have an inherent mistrust, obviously, of government.
	And I think you get that with police.
	But you do understand.
	I mean, did you hear about the gangs in?
	I'm aware of the gangs there.
	And it's about Ferguson or Baltimore because Baltimore is where they were more militarized.
	I was talking about Ferguson.
	Okay.
	I mean, there's that classic picture of the guy holding his hands up and the police all walking towards him with the guns in their face.
	And that it, you shouldn't do that.
	I mean, if you want, if, I mean, if soldiers are trained not to do that, you know, you don't put your gun at someone unless you're going to fire at them.
	Do we know what he did before that picture, though?
	Was it like a Hamas thing where they're firing a rocket from a church?
	It doesn't even matter.
	You know, if they weren't going to shoot him, they shouldn't have been pointing guns at him.
	But it does if he had a gun and he aimed it at them and then dropped it and put his hands up.
	And that kind of stuff happens all the time.
	That's why I'm saying it matters more than a free friend.
	I think that that could be true, but I don't think it is true.
	Okay.
	I think it was rather belligerence on the part of the police officers.
	From the context that I understand it.
	I mean, I might be wrong.
	It might well be that he had a gun, he was pointing it and he dropped it.
	But I haven't seen anything to suggest that.
	Whereas I've seen a lot of photos and video footage to indicate that the police were being excessively belligerent and aggressive in a way that wasn't necessarily conducive to diffusing any kind of problem.
	But what they were obviously trying to do is overaw and intimidate the people that they were trying to control.
	It's basically, I'm looking at this and thinking, well, it's one of these days a shot's going to go off.
	One of these cops is going to get nervous.
	They're going to a mistake will be made.
	Someone's going to get shot in the face and then all hell is going to break loose.
	And it's going to be happening because the police are trained to deal with it in the wrong way.
	And this is in no way me defending the Ferguson rioters.
	No, but that happens all the time.
	People get shot by the police where it wasn't appropriate.
	Giant riots.
	Yeah.
	No, it happens all the time.
	Doesn't it?
	Well, listen, we have my dad in the show.
	He was there for the Detroit riots.
	can tell you they're living off of vernier um watching he lives from he lived actually in the part how long ago was that Well, that's you're talking about the 60s.
	Yeah, that's the thing.
	I'm actually talking about in the modern day.
	Well, obviously, even in the modern day, I mean, it's happened in riots before, and it does happen all the time where cops fire and it's non-justified and they lose their job.
	Yeah, yeah, but what when in these very specific circumstances, though, they're very racially charged, and they have so far avoided bloodshed.
	And the issue isn't really necessarily one person either.
	Well, they haven't avoided bloodshed, though.
	In Baltimore, you're talking about 12 cops who went to the ICU because the bloods, the crypts, and the Latin kings came together as a militarized force in the cities.
	I meant the cops doing it to the other people.
	I'm not, yeah, I know, but I'm saying you can't, you know, what is important, by the way, I don't, you know, I think there are a lot of cops out there who are jerks.
	And but what bothers me is the Black Lives Matter movement, it really does, just like rape culture, does a disservice to actual victims of rape.
	Absolutely.
	When you have 12, when you have, you've watched your friends go to the ICU.
	I mean, my dad had his best friend was Mark Petroni.
	His dad, Mr. Petroni, was shot in the Detroit riots.
	My grandfather ran, he was in the Air Force, ran reconnaissance, literally militarization.
	You're sending in the military to run reconnaissance to see where the gang members were who were on rooftops sniping them.
	So we have to understand, I don't know anything.
	I don't know what's surrounding that picture.
	But what I do think is important is there are a lot of variables.
	My questions would be.
	There are.
	What did he do beforehand?
	What did they have in their gun?
	In their hand, yeah.
	No, not in their hand.
	What kind of bullets?
	Are they rubber bullets?
	Because usually with riots, with people going in if they're riot gear, they're usually rubber bullets or they're sandbags.
	So I just, I hate taking things from other screenshots.
	The thing is, I think one of the things that's being overlooked here is that is the legitimacy of the complaints of the protesters.
	Ferguson?
	Well, in any of them, really.
	I don't believe.
	See, that's where I would disagree with you.
	I don't believe there's anything legitimate.
	Mike Brown.
	Well, there we go.
	There we go.
	That's the problem.
	Do you believe Mike Brown was unjustly shot?
	No, I don't believe Mike Brown was unjustly shot.
	But the thing is, I believe there are a lot of black guys who are unjustly shot.
	Well, you're more likely to be shot if you're a white person.
	We ran that on a lot of, and Paul Joseph Wilson was talking about that.
	But I think you're more likely to be unjustly shot if you're a black person.
	No, I would disagree.
	Even if I'm wrong, I think the black community feels that way.
	They do feel that way.
	I think they very much feel like they've been persecuted by the police in a lot of places.
	And I would be surprised if that feeling was misplaced.
	I really would.
	And I'm not trying to have a go at cops or anything like that.
	Because I'm sure it's a very, very difficult job in a country like America.
	I'm absolutely certain it is.
	Yeah.
	But I think that dismissing their complaints as being utterly illegitimate is unfair.
	And I think that if you were in their position, you wouldn't want your complaints dismissed as illegitimate by some guy on a radio show.
	If I were in their position, I wouldn't be attacking cops, throwing things at cops, shooting at cops.
	I wouldn't be releasing videos where felonies are being committed against cops and claiming they're justified.
	I wouldn't be siding with Mike Brown.
	I wouldn't be so nutty.
	No, no, no, because you're talking from a position of someone who hasn't been through their experiences.
	You have, you know, you've gone from your, I'm sure, lovely home with your lovely wife and your lovely kids, and you've come quite happily to your radio show and you've had this conversation with me.
	These guys have had completely different lives.
	Well, no, it's not true.
	We had a guy with far more subscribers than you or I have, the Phil Advise show.
	We had him on and we walked him down the path and he was unable to rationalize his position.
	I don't accept the premise.
	Here we go.
	Here's some of the debate.
	I don't accept the premise that.
	Just because that one guy can't, that doesn't mean a lot of other people.
	Well, we've had plenty of people on.
	I have an open call to people who can justify their position.
	And I think that when you start committing felonies and when you go out and you riot and you destroy things, it sets the movement back, which is a legitimate movement.
	And you, as a person, can no longer hold that position.
	And it shouldn't be given credence because you have used it as an excuse to.
	Nothing's going to change if we dismiss the good with the bad.
	That's the I mean.
	But I'm not dismissing the good with the bad.
	I'm not.
	I'm dismissing those people.
	I can't hold this.
	I'm not dismissing those people who riot.
	There are plenty of people who spoke up and said, hey, this is not the way to do it.
	I do believe that.
	I personally would be one of those people if I was in that.
	Yeah.
	Sorry, no, that's true.
	I was lumping wool in as one thing.
	But the problem is that the people who are still protesting are being ignored in favor of the people who are causing all the trouble.
	It's been wall-to-wall coverage of the protesters.
	I don't know how they could possibly, like, literally, that was every main story.
	Not what I, not what, I guess maybe it's because I'm outside the country or something.
	I only see the we literally, I'm telling you, during Baltimore and Ferguson, we could not run another story on any of our sites or social media because no one clicked it.
	All it was was Ferguson, and 90% of it came in as these poor, these poor protesters who are all being assaulted by the cops, who are out there peacefully protesting when it wasn't the case.
	So that's what I'm saying.
	From our standpoint, it was wall-to-wall coverage and it was inadequate.
	What I see from the outside is the vilification of people who, don't get me wrong, they're doing things that are bad.
	I don't in any way support, and it's idiotic burning down, burning down businesses in your own area.
	I mean, how does that affect the police?
	You know, were you going after tax dollars or something?
	I mean, Jesus fucking Christ, it's retarded.
	Right.
	Damaging your own communities.
	You know, it's black business owners you're fucking.
	Well, okay, but let me, real quick on that point.
	But doesn't that make you go, these people don't, even if there are legitimate gripes, those aren't the gripes of these people burning these places down.
	They're looking for an excuse to commit crimes.
	Maybe.
	And maybe it's just they're complete idiots.
	And by the way, these people, I'm talking about rioters and people who are committing crimes.
	And what do you mean, these people?
	Don't go trapic thunder on me.
	Yeah, no, no, we're not, we're not blanket turning black people already.
	No.
	But the thing is, they're still people and you don't know necessarily why they're doing it.
	You know, that I, and I'm not trying to defend the rioters, but I don't know.
	Maybe I'm just, maybe I'm just being too generous, you know?
	Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't care.
	That's the thing.
	For me, once you've harmed someone else, for me to justify a live and let live position, when you don't let live, you deserve to be messed up.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	I think that these people should be punished, but I don't think the problem is you're treating the symptoms rather than the cause in that case.
	And you're never going to cure the disease.
	So it's, you know, you can sit and go on about these people.
	Oh, you shouldn't have burned down that store.
	Go thing.
	But do you really want anyone to be burning down any stores in the fucking first place?
	Because I don't, you know, and I'm sure a lot of people who are getting their stores burned down don't as well.
	And so, you know, this is the difference that we were saying about the drugs.
	It's like we could have a rehabilitation system or we could have a criminalized system.
	And I would go for the rehabilitation system because it builds a better society.
	You know, it builds a society that's not based on punishing people.
	It's based on helping people, which has got to be the Christian thing to do, right?
	So it's...
	I wouldn't state that in the affirmative.
	No, I think if you take another life, I think if you assault another person, you deserve punishment and it should be pretty harsh.
	Hey, that's not very Christian, though.
	Sure, it is.
	No, it's not.
	Absolutely.
	What did Jesus do to the temple?
	Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, no, no, no.
	Hang on.
	What happened to turning the other cheek?
	Would you understand?
	Ah, okay.
	I hate to say that.
	You are brilliant and you are far more English and smarter than me, sir, but you are out of your depth.
	Turn the other cheek if you understand the historical context.
	I actually do.
	It was challenging.
	It was a challenge.
	That was one of the greatest challenges you could issue to turn your other cheek.
	It was Pat Benatar's hit me with your best shot.
	No, no, have you not noticed that Jesus running into the temple and kicking out the money changers?
	All of Jesus says.
	Oh, you make it sound so much more benign.
	He's cracking whips and throwing stuff over.
	He was on a Barton Lawrence bender, man.
	He's hardcore ballast.
	There's no getting around it.
	He is proper sort of first century Judean revolutionary until Paul of Tarsus starts telling the story.
	And then he becomes the Prince of Peace and all this sort of thing.
	So basically the issue we have really is that there is no real Jesus.
	It goes back to Rick Grimes.
	You can be both.
	Rick Grimes is both.
	Why can't Jesus?
	Well, you can't.
	You can't be the Prince of Peace and the guy driving the money lenders out in the temple.
	So you'll choose which Jesus you're going to be.
	Why?
	Because you can't be both.
	Absolutely.
	Exclusive position.
	Absolutely.
	No, you can't be bad.
	Absolutely.
	See, you're making the mistake of assuming that all violence share a moral equivalency, and it doesn't.
	Again, you can use that whip to get rid of crooks and people who are stealing from a general populace, like the money changers and the lenders, or you can use it to whip Jesus in the back and nail him to a cross.
	They're not at all in the same moral playing field.
	I don't say that they are in the same moral playing field, but I think the Jesus that everyone is familiar with would not be advocating using a whip at all.
	Yeah, I don't, you know, I actually find that, and I will tell you this, in dealing with a lot of atheists, you know, on the program, I think they respect more the lack of whitewashing of Jesus that comes from me.
	I mean, the guy who, you know, we talked about tossing over the temples, but the quotes who talked about coming to be a sword that he came to divide, the guy who put tax collectors in the same playing field as murderers and prostitutes.
	That's my favorite one.
	Don't get me wrong.
	I'm a big fan of the story.
	Yeah, no, I know.
	And you don't have to believe in it, but I'm talking about even as a historical figure to act as though it was only about what we consider love, a modern feeling of fuzzies, or that love doesn't come with discipline.
	And I think a big part of that actually in not understanding it comes with a lack of discipline in someone's life.
	And you talked about it earlier.
	You didn't use the word discipline, but you talked about, you said something that struck a chord with me about feminists, about not being consistent.
	And, you know, discipline is basically the act.
	Oh, excellence.
	Your quote was Aristotle.
	The Aristotle quotes.
	What was the exact quote?
	I don't want to misquote you.
	I think it was actually a historian called, I think it was Will Durant or Durant summarizing Aristotle's philosophy as being excellence isn't an act, but a habit.
	Right.
	So it's something you do repeatedly.
	But the thing is, the problem is the historicity of the Bible, really, because my issue is with that quote.
	The figure of Jesus goes through several transformations.
	And the one that I think everyone's most familiar with is the Paul of Tarsus version.
	And he's very much not the original version, or at least in my opinion, from what I've from what I recall reading the Bible.
	That's that whole Mark Bell BS trying to whitewash everything.
	And I think you do people a disservice by doing that.
	And I also think it's impossible to rationalize one's position as a Christian to be like, well, it's all about, it just falls apart so quickly when they go, well, God killed more people and Stalin.
	And they go on the list.
	Oh, yeah.
	But it's the same thing because Jesus is all part of the same Godhead.
	Again, whether you believe in Jesus or not, that's the belief of Christians.
	I think the issue really is that the Bible is an imperfect book.
	And that's not in any way to say there's no God.
	There is.
	But it's the fact that the Bible is clearly a book that's a work of many hands.
	And I think that there are very admirable lessons to be learned from it, especially the later books of Jesus.
	But the talking about Ferguson in Baltimore.
	But my point was that the quote from Aristotle that you used, it reminded me of the quote of discipline when I trained at the high school in Texas in the powerlifting section of the gym.
	It says, discipline is the act of continuing to do something after the excitement has worn off.
	And I think it's very difficult for people to sort of understand the multifacetedness of someone like Christ who lived a very disciplined life.
	And probably many of a lot of your audience members, you know, younger people, I hate to sound like the old man get off my lawn, but they don't have the same kind of discipline.
	And in not doing something once the excitement has worn off and not understanding what is necessary, the difficulties that come with it, punishment that comes along with reward and setbacks, I think it's very difficult to understand what I call, you know, sort of God's face, the face of a loving father.
	Well, my dad love, I'm best friends with my dad, best friends with my dad.
	We've had him on the show.
	My dad spanked me really, really hard.
	Oh, my dad.
	I'm actually in the same, my dad kicked my ass if I did something wrong.
	Right.
	It was always very, you know, I knew exactly why I was getting myself.
	I mean, there was, yeah, exactly.
	Every time I deserved it, I knew I'd crossed the line, then I knew it was coming.
	So I completely with you on that.
	Sorry, go on.
	Oh, no, but yeah, so we can get back to the Baltimore issue.
	I mean, first off, here's the deal.
	Ferguson, sorry, is what you were talking about first, correct?
	Yeah, but Ferguson starts with Michael.
	It's effectively the same problem, I think.
	I agree in the over-militarization of police.
	And by the way, the only people, the only people in the United States who you've heard complaining about that consistently are libertarians and people who would be far-right extremists.
	Liberals never do.
	Because if you believe in a socialist utopia, who's going to police it?
	Heard them say things like, oh, you should federalize your police.
	And it's like, are you fucking stupid?
	Are you out of your mind?
	I'm not even fucking American, and I think that's insane.
	I've heard privatizing the police as well, which I think is just as fucking crazy.
	These people are insane.
	They don't understand how tyranny works, how it comes about.
	You're right.
	It's not the left that's complaining about the military.
	In fact, in a large part, Obama is responsible for a lot of this.
	He has given away billions in military hardware to your cops.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	And listen, I think, I think, I think you also have an issue, though.
	I don't want to vilify.
	You're at a point now where I would never become a cop.
	I can't imagine someone becoming a cop in the United States in 2015.
	I think that's actually a major.
	Sorry, I don't mean to jump on it.
	I've actually been doing, I've got, I've got a big video planned about the American police, and I've been doing a lot of research.
	And that's actually one thing that they've really been having a problem with is recruitment.
	Recruitment is really down across America, you know, because of, frankly, the bad reputation your cops are getting because of the things that they're doing.
	And sorry, sorry, I just want to.
	No, no, I would, I'm actually, please send me the video.
	I'm interested to see that.
	That's just that's entirely.
	Oh, okay.
	It's going to be about an hour long, and I'm going to have about a huge list of sources for people to go through with the fine-tooth comb.
	It's been a big project doing this video.
	Oh, I can imagine.
	Well, for me, it's entirely, you know, it's entirely conjecture.
	I'm just saying I cannot imagine becoming a cop in 2015.
	Again, we have the number up at numbers up at ladderwithclader.com when you look at black people, the percentage of population versus percentage of crimes that they commit, white people versus the percentage of criminals who get shot.
	You're more likely to be shot as a white person in the United States than a black person per capita.
	It's actually, and Paul Joseph Watson has done great work on this.
	I don't know if you know him at all, but I'm aware of him, yeah.
	Okay, he's he's you know, part of the he'd be considered much further right, where he's uh the prison planet guy, yes, prison planet, but he's very reasonable in a lot of his arguments, even though I don't read it.
	He actually is, and uh, I'm a big fan of conspiracy theories.
	I he's not a big conspiracy theorist, though, not as big as the theories.
	I know, it's a shame.
	I wish he was kind of more conspirator, yeah.
	The Illuminati caused the Boston bombing, that kind of deal.
	I obviously, I, I, I mean, I don't enjoy them almost ironically a lot of the time, but I tell you what, man, there is a conspiracy in the U.S. government, there absolutely is.
	Well, and I talked about that with Milo.
	You know, I don't believe in sort of attributing to collusion what can be chalked up to incompetence, but I think that we've reached a point, and we talked about this, and then we'll get back to Baltimore.
	It's the online version, we can go as long as we want.
	Exactly.
	No, you go ahead.
	The when Barack Obama, President Barack Obama, I always want to be respectful, President Barack Obama, who sucks at his job, when he comes out and says, We, you know, we need equal pay, I'm going, okay.
	And Gavin McGinnis talked about finally, someone could say it, Jesus, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, I'm going, I'm going, either he has nobody with access to Google, or he doesn't have a single respectable economist around him, or he doesn't give a fuck, or he's lying.
	You know what I mean?
	It has, and at that point, I'm going, that's such an obvious stat that is so patently false.
	He doesn't care anyway, and he's doing it.
	And I'm at the point where I'm convinced, you know, as a pro-life person, until we've talked about this, there are certain things where I'm convinced that people agree on the premise.
	They don't care anyway because the ends justify the means.
	Yeah, I, you know, I think that, right, okay.
	Here's some conspiratorial talk.
	Oh, geez.
	This is David Rockefeller's biography.
	Yeah.
	And I got this because of something I found Googling that came up on Alex Jones's forum.
	Oh, Jesus.
	I thought, you know what?
	There's no way that's true.
	It was purported to be a scam from this book.
	And I thought, no fucking way.
	So I went to Amazon.
	I got a copy of this book.
	And let me read you out a quote from page 405, right?
	And the chapter is called A proud internationalist?
	Yep.
	Was it going to go to the New World Order deal?
	Oh, yeah.
	Listen to this.
	No, listen to this, right?
	Page 405.
	He says, Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as internationalists, and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure.
	One world, if you will.
	If that's the charge, I stand guilty and I am proud of it.
	So Alex Jones is fucking right.
	And that is according to David fucking Rockefeller.
	That's fair.
	And everyone's like, well, there's no global conspiracy.
	It's like, well, I don't think so either.
	But David Rockefeller fucking thinks he's part of a conspiracy.
	So why don't you take it up with him?
	Still doesn't mean 9-11 was an inside job.
	I don't know that it was an inside job or anything like that.
	I'm just saying David Rockefeller is saying that he's part of a fucking global conspiracy.
	Well, I don't think it's a conspiracy.
	It's called the UN.
	He's just said it was a conspiracy.
	It's called the UN.
	I mean, there's nothing.
	No, no, no, no.
	I know, I know, but I'm saying this happens out in the open.
	You don't need to even call it New World Order.
	No, no, there is a political zeitgeist, as you say, the United Nations, and to build a more interconnected world.
	And frankly, I think it's inevitable.
	I think as technology gets better, as travel becomes more efficient, the world gets smaller.
	And I think it's inevitable that we're going to end up with a world government.
	Sure.
	But I also think I read a book called Bush Family of Secrets.
	Sorry, I don't know why I said sure.
	I don't know that I agree with that, but continue.
	Well, it's all right.
	Sorry.
	Again, this isn't something that, you know, I'm saying it's set in stone or I know short for a score or anything.
	But I read this book called Bush Family of Secrets.
	And I think there are probably a selection of bankers and oil men and basically a cabal of businessmen who are probably operating together in different spheres of American life to influence things for their, I think, globalist agenda.
	I do think that is probably the case.
	Now, everyone, I don't want people to think Illuminati or anything like that.
	I don't think it's anything like that.
	I think it's just people who have shared interests, who get together in private retreats, maybe, and discuss how they can try and influence things.
	They're not all powerful puppet masters.
	You know, that's reading his memoirs.
	One of the things that you realize is he's not a bad guy.
	You know, everything that he thinks he's doing, he thinks he's doing it for the best.
	I mean, the direct bit just after what he says is him justifying.
	He says, populists and isolationists ignore the tangible benefits that have resulted from our active role, active international role during the half century.
	Not only was the very real threat posed by Soviet communism overcome, but there have been fundamental improvements in societies around the world.
	He's not a bad guy.
	And when I'm reading his memoirs, he doesn't come across a bad guy.
	And I don't think the people he's dealing with are bad people.
	I think they are people who are looking to the future and saying, look, we're inevitably going to have one world government.
	So let's make it happen with as little pain as possible.
	And I think they are operating behind the scenes to make that happen.
	And I'm only saying that because David Rockefeller is fucking telling us that.
	So, hey, I'm happy to take off my tinfoil hat now.
	That's fine.
	That's funny.
	When I hear Rockefeller, I think I'm just saying that's what he's fucking saying.
	You know what I mean?
	My grandmother, my dad always tells a story as far as how things tend to get better generationally.
	We eat steak a lot.
	I love grilling steak.
	And my dad always talked about it, I'd be like, Mom, why don't we eat from Michigan?
	Mom, why don't we have steak more often?
	My friends, you know, the patronies have steaks.
	She go, steak?
	Who are we?
	The Rockefellers?
	So that's my main frame of reference when I hear Rockefeller.
	I think of my Midwestern grandmother.
	Rockefeller!
	David Rockefeller's grandfather got very, very wealthy through oil.
	They're Christian.
	I mean, this is another thing everyone's like, oh, it's a Jewish conspiracy.
	They're not Jewish.
	So, a lot of people who are apparently involved in this conspiracy aren't Jews, you know.
	I mean, so it's um, you know, it says a Jewish conspiracy is just a bit, well, naively.
	Jews are too loud.
	There's no way they'd keep that secret.
	Well, Henry Kissinger is definitely a part of it.
	Definitely.
	If anyone's he goes on about the New World Order all the time, you can't stop him from talking about the new fucking world order.
	I remember on my Monty Python contractually obligational album, there was a song about Henry Kissinger.
	So it might have been 12.
	And it was basically about what a man whore he was.
	Henry Kissinger.
	Betcha missing, huh?
	And I remember the kid, like, who is this Henry Kissinger?
	And so I read up on him.
	And you're thinking, how the hell did this guy bag all these babes?
	Yeah, exactly.
	Again, I just read it because I'm going Monty Python.
	What is the Henry Kissinger thing?
	Same thing with John Denver.
	As a matter of fact, the same album, you might find this funny.
	I don't know if you're a Monty Python fan.
	I have no idea.
	Not really, actually.
	Life of Brian was good.
	All right.
	Well, we just actually even posted that when the whole Caitlin Jenner thing happened.
	We posted the what are you going on about women, Ralph?
	Because I want to pay one.
	You want to pay a woman?
	Yes.
	I want you to call me Loretta.
	You can't have babies.
	You've been calling womb.
	And everyone sat there.
	You know, these are, these are, you know, John Cleese, far left.
	These are people who've sort of pushed the politically correct agenda when it's convenient for them.
	And you go back and you go, well, they're guilty of hate speech in Life of Brian.
	But I remember there was a song in the Monty Python's Contractual Obligational Album is what it was called.
	Clever title.
	And we were at a campground and I was singing it.
	And my dad, he's where he spanked me.
	I was walking on.
	This is the song from the album.
	And so picture me walking back with water to the campsite, singing, it might have been 10.
	Sit on my face and tell me that you love me.
	I'll sit on your face and tell you I love you too.
	And I was like, don't you ever sing that?
	I had no idea.
	I thought I was like, it's like ferting.
	He's ferting because it's gross like a prank.
	I had no idea.
	No, no.
	No, no.
	Ignorant little Steven.
	But back to Baltimore and Ferguson now that we're talking.
	You know, and I don't really have the heart for this because we had Phil, it's called The Advise Show.
	He's like very, very popular on YouTube.
	It's 300-something thousand subscribers.
	And we had him on.
	His whole thing is race baiting.
	And we had him on.
	300,000 subscribers for that.
	Yeah.
	You know, his whole thing is like men shouldn't have to pay alimony.
	And, you know, cops are racist.
	That's kind of a shtick.
	And we had him on, and I walked him down the logic trail on Mike Brown.
	And I never released it.
	We have it like this.
	We had the video, and I never released it because I felt bad.
	I was going to release it to him, and I felt bad because during the break, you could tell he just seemed so defeated.
	And he had no leg to stand on.
	And so I said, you know what?
	I don't want to, you know, it wasn't really a fair argument.
	And I don't want to.
	I'm not out to make anyone look terrible unless you're horrible.
	You were much better prepared for the argument than he was.
	And you can see by the end of it, you've done something to his frame of mind.
	I can understand why you'd felt bad about it.
	And I had people going, you should release it.
	I'm like, you know, I don't know.
	Jared, my video producer, you were there.
	Remember?
	Sorry, you can't see him, but you can hear him chiming.
	Yeah, sorry, yeah.
	What were you thinking about that?
	It was probably one of the more awkward interviews in a while, actually.
	Thinking back on it.
	I mean, it made the podcast so people could hear on the podcast, but it definitely you felt, I felt just watching it.
	I'm like, I felt a little bit cringing inside because I'm like, this guy is just, he's drowning over there.
	And I feel like I want to toss him a rope or something.
	I felt bad.
	Nice guy, but was not equipped.
	And so that's a thing, you know.
	And it went.
	Yeah.
	That was right before Baltimore, too.
	I was like, it was right after Ferguson, right before Baltimore.
	And then I was like, yeah, I just, so, so to be fair, you know, I'm not that right-wing Christian asshole who we have stuff that if we actually released, like, it would be really bad.
	And people can go listen to it on the podcast, but people who listen to the audio podcasts, you know, they're hardcore fans, and so they tend to be much nicer than the general YouTube audience.
	Okay, Jared, you're out.
	And anyway, I don't know why it was time.
	I was talking about because you're talking about Mike Brown.
	When I walked him down a lot of trust, I said, hands up, don't shoot.
	He said, okay.
	So that's the basis.
	Yeah, these people have a right to protest.
	Hands up, don't shoot.
	It's okay.
	His hands weren't up.
	Well, what?
	He was running away.
	No, he wasn't.
	Says who?
	Grand jury, autopsies.
	Well, he didn't assault anyone.
	Yes, he did.
	Yeah, he did.
	Yeah.
	And so, again, for him, his justification was all of these things, every single one of which was false.
	And that's what I'm saying.
	If someone, it creates a position that you cannot defend as someone's narrative.
	The narrative in action.
	We do this with the social justice warriors all the time in Game Gay.
	They'll say a bunch of things and you'll just say, that's not true.
	Here's some evidence that that's not true.
	And they'll say, well, Gamer Day does this.
	Gaming Day does that.
	Well, no, this isn't true.
	That's not true.
	Everything you've said is a lie, and I can prove it.
	And they will just block you.
	And yeah, and I felt bad for this guy, but that's my point with the riots.
	And believe me, I have a problem with the militarization of police.
	I believe that some of that is kept in check with a heavily armed populace.
	Again, that's a difference in American culture.
	That's one of our failures.
	That's the only reason that I think you guys should keep your guns.
	I mean, I'm British left.
	I'm against guns generally.
	I mean, that's not true.
	I'm not like against guns, but it's more, I don't think there's any, if you're not in danger of falling into a terrible tyranny, then there's no real point for the majority of the population to be found.
	Because you guys stayed with the tyranny.
	We left.
	Well, that's the thing.
	The great thing about the British system is that our politicians are really ineffectual.
	And our monarchy doesn't, our monarchy doesn't take any active role in government.
	So there really is nobody to be tyrannical to the public.
	And so the British public have got no respect for anyone in authority.
	That's kind of the Canadian.
	Yeah, the same thing with the Canadian parliamentary system.
	I don't know.
	Do you know, are they?
	I mean, how similar are they?
	The parliamentary system in Canada.
	They're probably very, very similar.
	I don't pay attention to Canadian politics, to be honest.
	Our judges still wear wigs.
	I find it silly.
	Oh, so do I. That's hilarious.
	Could you imagine that?
	Bringing Darren Wilson for a judge.
	I just want to know who the fuck was the first person to suggest it.
	It's like, you know, Judge goes in, he sits down and he puts this stupid wig in his hat, and everyone's like, what the fuck are you doing?
	He's like, no, I'm wearing a wig.
	Yes.
	If I didn't have your respect before, this has ensured that I've lost all of it.
	I've got a robe.
	Now I've got a wig.
	What are you going to do?
	Criticize me?
	Yeah, exactly.
	It's like you look like old white Captain Hook.
	Why are you doing this?
	Exactly.
	I don't understand it.
	You know, I expect him to tap his foot in a red carpet to roll out and sme to be stealing his gold.
	So that's the thing.
	When you look at the premise, because there have been people, particularly people on the right, people like Alfonso Rachel, people like, yeah, he's great.
	Well, he's talked about police for a long time, and he's talked about militarization of police, but he's also talked about respect for police.
	A great example, even McKinney.
	I don't know if you saw that incident that happened in McKinney, the pool party.
	It rings bells, but remind me.
	Well, it's very big nationally.
	So see, that's the thing.
	There's a little bit of a discount.
	This is the biggest story nationally where a cop showed up at a pool party and they were in a seven-minute video.
	Oh, the kid, the 16-year-old kid.
	The girl.
	The girl, yeah.
	The black girl.
	Now, see, that's the thing.
	Again, people, the headline was, my daughter was body slammed twice for being black.
	Okay.
	First off, he actually detained white people.
	We know now what happened before the cameras ran.
	The people who were detained, here's an incident.
	No one was hurt.
	No one was arrested.
	A cop lost his cool a little bit.
	And by the way, no body slam occurred.
	As someone who regularly drag.
	An arm drag is the single least aggressive, least harmful takedown you can possibly in any way, shape, or form.
	Well, here's my point.
	Well, do you know what?
	And not that it justifies it, but again, this is the video of it happening.
	And you know, the video footage.
	I was just like, well, this typical American police belligerence to me.
	It was more that they weren't cooperating and therefore they weren't.
	Well, do you know the story of what happened, though, before he showed up?
	No, no, no, no.
	Go ahead.
	Tell me.
	Well, it was a private pool party.
	And again, anyone who lives in these communities.
	Now, I'm not just.
	This has always been my position.
	Let's wait for the evidence.
	Yeah, yeah.
	The tenor, the tone, he was wrong.
	Okay.
	Didn't violate protocol.
	When you're surrounded by people, people who aren't listening, some of whom have just committed assaults.
	If you watch the video, there were fights that broke out.
	Yes.
	You can find the video of actually one ripping a woman's hair out.
	They jumped, the guy set up a DJ booth right next to a private pool party, blaring profane music in a neighborhood.
	They asked them to leave.
	They jumped the fence, assaulted several people who were there at a private pool party.
	Even when the cop showed up, girls ripping at each other's hair.
	You can find these videos.
	Him asking them to stay there because they're moving around.
	This girl, you know, whether he should have taken her down or not, okay, fine.
	But this is the context here.
	When he asked her to go, she doesn't.
	You see her there.
	She pushes back.
	It's a lot less unreasonable when you put it.
	Well, it gets even worse.
	So let me give you some more context here.
	And then let me make my point.
	So she pushes back.
	To give you an idea, the physics of an arm drag don't work.
	Don't work unless you're aggressing in some way.
	Any wrestler will tell you: I'm not going to go for an arm drag if a guy's retreating.
	I'm going to shoot a double leg.
	I'm going to go for a single.
	I'm going to go for a high crotch.
	If a guy is coming into you, what you're doing is grabbing that arm and using their momentum.
	It only works if someone's coming toward you.
	He looks for the grass.
	She's on concrete, puts her down, pushes someone else who comes up on him, and two guys come behind him reaching in their belt.
	He takes out his gun, never has a finger on a trigger, never aims at anyone.
	Again, the end result: no one was hurt.
	No one was arrested, except there was a white guy who was being detained when this happened.
	Now, tenor and tone, terrible.
	Okay, I agree with that.
	He was a little Barney Fife.
	Do you know what happened to this cop right before that incident?
	Do you know what his day was like?
	No, no, go on.
	Picking up brains from a guy who blew his head off in front of his family.
	He had two suicide calls.
	One man who shot himself in front of his family, and then he had to talk a teenage girl.
	Was it a teenage girl out of a suicide attempt?
	Yeah, I guess she was on the roof or something like that.
	And the first family, by the way, and his lawyer, I guess, is the one who came out and said, oh, he, she, whoever the lawyer was, mentioned the family was black.
	And of course, the leftists wouldn't nuts day.
	Well, why'd you have to mention that?
	Well, it does matter a little bit because he spent time consoling this family.
	He spent time picking their brains off the ground, taking photos of the body, and the considerable amount of time, they said, consoling the family before he went and talked the girl down off the roof.
	From a second sword.
	He didn't even want to answer the call for the pool party.
	Yeah.
	So then imagine this.
	You're that cop.
	That's the day you've had.
	And you're going, oh my gosh, think of like diving under and coming up for air.
	You're like, I just want this day to be over.
	And you get there and people are tearing each other's hair and no one's listening and they're belligerent.
	And again, not a violation of protocol, but tenor and tone.
	Not justifying the tenor and tone, but if you look at that, I think there's a real lack of appreciation for what a lot of for what a day like is like for a lot of these cops.
	I mean, if you think, how can he not be sympathetic to that guy?
	Because I know if that were my day, probably would have been a lot worse.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	I mean, don't get me wrong.
	Context matters.
	Context always matters.
	Right.
	And you're absolutely right.
	The guy didn't hurt anyone.
	He didn't do anything wrong.
	The issue is with how he approached it.
	And I get the feeling.
	I mean, I've watched a lot of video doing research for this big video I'm going to do.
	I've watched a lot of videos of American cops operating.
	And it's the tone and tenor of what they do that almost kind of guarantees them walking into these situations where they find, I mean, it's almost, it's so overbearing as to be as if he is part of an occupying military force.
	That's the tone and tenor of what they do.
	And that's the wrong tone and tenor.
	Because for a start, they're not.
	They're your fucking police.
	They shouldn't be operating.
	They shouldn't be treating your citizenry as like that.
	That's one of the main problems.
	I mean, compare it to European German cops, right?
	Great example.
	I lived out in Germany for about eight years and I went to plenty of beer festivals.
	Funny things, German cops all got guns.
	They hardly shoot anyone because they don't operate like an occupying force.
	They operate a lot more respectfully.
	And don't get me wrong, you know, I've seen German cops, you know, take people down on the fact to play.
	Not to mention two mildly black dots in their history books.
	Yeah, exactly.
	How many world boards under your belt?
	All of them?
	Okay.
	There's a couple of things that the Germans have done wrong in the past.
	And British police are very much similar in sort of tone from what I've experienced anyway.
	I mean, maybe it was just the area I was in or something.
	I was in the north of Germany, Munchenglabach, joint headquarters.
	But the German cops are just, honestly, it was more a case of professionalism, you know, and it was more a case of not being aggressive and belligerent.
	They just approached it in a calm and professional manner.
	It's not fair to compare a country that doesn't have the same kind of color palette you have in the United States.
	I'm not saying that it's exactly the same or anything else.
	I'm not.
	Right.
	But I do think that the way American cops approach it as if they are.
	I think you're right.
	A lot of them do.
	A lot of them do.
	But you're starting off with that.
	I don't say all of them.
	You know, that's the thing.
	Whenever I say, I might mean a majority or a large number, but I don't necessarily mean all of mobs here.
	Well, my grappling coach in the Midwest left the police force because he wasn't enough like that.
	So believe me, I know that exists.
	But I think you're starting off with they approach it this way, and so it creates this atmosphere.
	And I understand your argument.
	I think there's validity to it.
	But I think it's important to go back a little bit further and go, okay, what do we believe the main reason is for someone to become a cop?
	I know when I was a little kid, I thought I wanted to become a cop because I wanted to get bad guys.
	I think a huge portion of people feel that way.
	Some of them just want power.
	But I think a significant portion of people who go into the police force do it because they want to do so.
	They want to improve their communities.
	They want to improve their communities.
	Now, let's take Baltimore, for example.
	You're a Baltimore cop, black mayor, black city legislature.
	You want to improve your communities.
	12 of your brothers have gone down or in the ICU because they've been assaulted.
	And by the way, this is just a microcosm, but you're getting that every single day.
	You're going out, you're getting people attacking you.
	I mean, Detroit cops, by the way, black cops in Detroit, they can't even drive that cop car anywhere near their house.
	They have a target on their back.
	So before we say the cops breed this environment, wouldn't it also be reasonable to say that maybe these communities breed this type of a responsible police?
	I think so.
	And I think it's a fair.
	That's the point.
	You know, I don't know who started this sort of attitude and I do know who's perpetuating it.
	And so, you know, we know that the, you know, a certain gang.
	Can you say that affirmatively, though, that you know who's perpetuating it in place of the people?
	Well, absolutely.
	When a policeman goes in with a very superior, belligerent air and attitude and treats everyone as if they are a conquered people, then he's perpetuating.
	There's no doubt about it.
	No matter what's happened.
	But what about when that cop is trying to subdue someone and his buddy gets shot?
	Well, that's unfortunately the risk of being a cop, isn't it?
	I mean, it's not like he's signed up to become a marshmallow packer or something.
	He knew that being a cop in America isn't going to mean easy.
	My point is, I think, I think I would argue that you're placing affirmatively when I don't think that we'd know who's perpetuating it.
	For example, in McKinney, the girl's going to sue the cop, I'm sure, into oblivion, said, I don't think it's enough for him to get fired.
	Yeah, well, I disagree with that.
	I disagree.
	I mean, I don't think that copies of the colours.
	I think both sides are, is my point.
	I think both sides absolutely are.
	And I think right now, recently, it's much more so the people looking to take advantage of cops.
	I think that the American police could save themselves a lot of hassle.
	Not necessarily in that particular case, but just I think that overall, if the American cops just approached things with a bit more professionalism, a bit less emotion, then there would be a lot less trouble overall.
	I think a lot of people do that.
	Basically, the problem.
	Well, I'm sure that a lot of them do.
	I'm sure that a lot of them do.
	As a matter of fact, I think Darren Wilson did.
	And he was still put on trial of a.
	I don't know.
	I didn't like Darren Wilson's testimony at all.
	There were points at Darren Wilson's testimony where he described Michael Brown as an it.
	And that is warning bells to me, you know.
	And the guy, he didn't seem all that clever.
	Honestly, and the thing is, there are problems with certain police forces.
	I mean, there was one incidence of, I can't remember which one it is.
	I'd have to find it.
	But a police force was allowed to refuse hiring people on grounds that they were too smart.
	They thought they were too intelligent to become cops, and they were refused to hire on that grounds.
	And that was completely upheld.
	I will have to ask for your source, sir.
	Yeah, no, okay.
	Okay.
	No, you're going to bring it up right now.
	That's command.
	I've got a big spreadsheet for this.
	Really quickly.
	I don't want to be put in the position of defending the militarization of police.
	I hope I've made it clear.
	I'm totally against it.
	No, no, I completely believe that you are against it.
	And there's nothing wrong with playing devil's advocate.
	Well, I'm not just playing devil.
	I genuinely, again, having, well, let me give you an example to be on your side, okay?
	My friend, I don't know if I can use his name, but anyways, my grappling coach.
	He was a police officer.
	So I'll give you, this is an incredible story.
	So he often got in trouble for not having enough citations, you know, or sorry, civilian interactions, I think is the point.
	You have to have a certain amount of civilian interactions.
	That's why they have to meet their quota for speeding tickets, all that.
	Well, one night there was a woman.
	So they have a quota for speeding tickets.
	Well, they have a quota for human for civilian interactions, is what he told me.
	I don't know the exact terminology.
	I suppose you've got to make sure your cops are doing something, immediately.
	Yes, exactly.
	And he would be the first to tell you.
	It's ridiculous.
	And again, it should be taken contextually because one night he got in trouble for not having enough.
	He only had three.
	And I could be butchering this story.
	But he's been in one of my videos, actually.
	He's talked about.
	We'll take it as the example.
	As an example, but he can tell the story.
	He's a great storyteller.
	Woman comes in, was raped.
	They do the physical examination, clearly was forcibly raped.
	I said, well, do you remember anything?
	She says, you know, I don't remember a lot.
	I remember, I said, where do you live?
	I lived out here by 44th Street in that area east of town.
	Okay.
	I said, what can you remember?
	She said, well, I remember I was walking.
	I remember a white big SUV.
	They said, well, what kind?
	She said, I don't know.
	It could be an escalade.
	It could be an expedition.
	I don't know, but something like that.
	Okay.
	Black guy.
	I hate to say it.
	Black guy offered up.
	They said, do you remember anything?
	I'm like, well, no, black guy.
	I mean, I don't remember.
	It turned out she was drugged.
	So she didn't remember a lot.
	She said, I remember that.
	I remember some kind of an apartment, like rows of townhomes, apartment complexes where they were attached, but split level.
	So I don't know what you, townhomes.
	And I said, I remember Bush Ice.
	I said, okay.
	And you're around there, 44th Street.
	Okay, so they get her in there.
	He gets her to the doctor, physical examination, all that.
	And he goes, okay, so he goes out in the hunch.
	He goes out towards this area.
	And he just happens to come across while he's filling up on gas, a guy in a white escalade, or could be a navigator.
	I don't know.
	Again, don't pin me on that.
	And yeah, I know.
	And Black guy follows the guy home and uh right in those townhomes because Clint knew about these townhomes there, which was pretty riff-raffy.
	There were a lot of crime that happened in this area of town.
	It's the first place you go if there's a crime.
	Things, huh?
	Oh, oh, I should say, sorry, I messed it up.
	She also said, I remember a floral bedprint, floral bedprint.
	So these are the things she remembered.
	So he goes up and he ding-dong rings the bell.
	Guy opens the door.
	He goes, Hey, how are you doing?
	And he told me, Listen, I knew that I had no authority to enter there without a warrant.
	I said, Okay.
	So at this point, I'm just suspect.
	I just want to check things out and see.
	So I wasn't, I didn't even know.
	I'm just going on a hunch.
	Goes and talks to the guy.
	Hey, what do you want?
	Well, you know, we just, we had a, we had a rape last night.
	A woman came in and we're just, you know, maybe having around this area.
	We want to know if you know anything about it.
	No, man, you know, I don't know anything about it.
	He sees a case of bush ice.
	And he goes, oh, you have a lot of, you know, have a have a party or something?
	Do you?
	He goes, no, why?
	He goes, well, that's a big case of bush ice.
	And he goes, oh, yeah, you know, I just got it.
	I was drinking and whatever it was.
	He goes, oh, okay.
	Anyone else live here?
	No, no one else lives here.
	He goes, oh, okay.
	Do you mind if I just take a look around so I have to get back to my officer and stuff?
	I know people get really mad.
	He had no authority to, but the guy said, sure, absolutely.
	Well, he goes in and he looks around.
	Sure enough, he sees a bed with a floral bedprint.
	And he goes, this is your bed?
	He says, no, no, that's not my bed.
	He said, well, you said no one else lives here.
	He goes, oh, this is where my girlfriend sleeps.
	Oh, is there another room in the house?
	Yeah.
	Can I see it?
	He goes in.
	There's a crib with a baby.
	Long story short, he puts this together.
	He tells the guy, you know, basically bluffs and says, okay, we know it was you.
	We're going to get DNA evidence back.
	The guy cops to all of it.
	All of it.
	Admits, confesses.
	His three civilian interactions were the girl who was raped, the rapist, and the doctor performed the investigation, who performed the physical.
	And he said he got in trouble, got called before.
	I said, listen, you need to hit a minimum of five or six civilian interactions.
	You only had three.
	And he said, did you see what the three were?
	And that's where he said, as a cop, that's what I want to do.
	I didn't want to give people speeding tickets for going five over.
	He said, and that is a problem because they just looked at it and said, you're not doing enough.
	And I thought that was as good as I can be as a cop.
	So there are examples of that.
	And I think that is very problematic.
	There's a bureaucracy in action there.
	Right.
	You know, the details are irrelevant.
	The numbers are important.
	Right.
	And I can see how that can breed military.
	It's well, I've got to hit this number.
	Let me go slap someone with something.
	It's the dehumanization of the process.
	Yeah.
	That's the problem there.
	You know, as I said, your guy did a great job.
	You know, no, no violence.
	No need to go to get a warrant.
	You know, problems, you know, perpetrated court, problem solved.
	You know, everyone, apart from the guy who did commit the crime, goes home happy.
	But because he wasn't meeting these quotas, he's now in trouble.
	It's ridiculous.
	Right.
	But again, this is part of the sort of excessive bureaucratization of the police force.
	And again, it does line up with the militarization.
	But the perfect example there is that comes from, you know, I was saying leftism, progressivism, the giant bureaucracy of government.
	And I think, yeah, that when you combine they want everything categorized.
	That's that's right.
	That is what that's one.
	I'll go into it a minute.
	If you if you're good for time, I'll go into that in a minute.
	I'm good.
	I should make sure I'm good for memory on my hard drive.
	Am I good?
	Probably good, right, Jared?
	All right, we're fine.
	If we, if you just get cut off, I apologize.
	Yeah, no, no, sorry.
	Don't worry about it.
	Basically, I think the problem is I've seen a bunch of training videos that have been leaked through WikiLeaks and all this sort of thing of police training.
	And there, and I'm not saying this is in all police forces across the United States.
	From the research that I've done, it seems that there's a very striking disparity between the more rural police forces and the metropolitan urban police forces.
	The more rural ones, I mean, I've seen like cases where, like, um, you know, some rural sheriff has been like, Look, we've been told by the government to do something, and I'm not doing it, you know, and you know, it's very, very respectable, you know.
	Very this is someone who is obviously a constitutionalist.
	He believes in the sanctity and freedom of the individual.
	You know, he's not a big government bureaucratic guy, and they're not your problem.
	The problem is well, progressives crucify them.
	There are, you know, sheriffs in the South who've told people because they've had people who've been murdered.
	I'm not saying all illegal immigrants are murderers, but there's a rash in Texas, particularly because they come over there.
	These, you know, these people have these acres of ranch.
	And I have a friend actually who has bars in his windows.
	He lives out there, and the sheriff said, Listen, we can't get to you in time.
	He said, Just to drive across your own property here would take us several minutes.
	He said, If they're on your property, shoot them.
	We'll come in and take care of the paperwork.
	And those people are vilified.
	The cops are saying, We're not going to be here stationed with AR-15s on your property or along the border.
	You have the right to protect your home.
	See ya.
	There was a video I saw was going around, you know, of this a checkpoint was this police area or a precinct or whatever.
	They were told to install some sort of checkpoint at this road.
	And you could tell the cops doing it, well, like, there is no reason that we should be stopping US citizens at this point, right?
	For whatever reason.
	And so, whenever the video was from the person, the point of view of the person in the car, and they pulled up, and the cop went through what he had to say.
	And, you know, the guy was like, Yes, I, you know, I have he's like, great, citizen, know your constitutional rights, you know, on your way, sort of thing.
	You know, it really, you know, letter of the law stuff, you know, pro-Constitution.
	It was really heartwarming, really heartwarming.
	Because conversely, I've seen so many training footage leaks of police being told that, you know, the founding fathers were terrorists, that they have to overwhelm and intimidate the people they're dealing with.
	They've got to have this sort of, I don't know, like as if they're like badasses or something, you know, this sort of we're hard ass, you know, cops, we're in charge, or this sort of rah-rah.
	Sort of, it's an oppressive attitude, and it doesn't help anything.
	You know, it just, it just, it just gets the backup of the people you're dealing with and it makes them want to fight back.
	Whereas if you approach it in the same manner as sort of European police, I mean, at least from the ones that I've had experience with, they on average, I don't see them going.
	I mean, you get some, don't get me wrong, you know, I'm not saying that European cops are saints or anything like that, but the general tenor and attitude of the encounters that you see or recorded or you witness them firsthand, they're different.
	They're not.
	I'll tell you what.
	I've had, I mean, I've had almost as many as Marco Rubio.
	I think I've had three speeding tickets in my life.
	Every single time the cops, well, actually, there was one time, but every time the cops are nice, I've spoken with my friends, my parents, all of them.
	I'm only thinking of the videos that you see that are.
	Yeah, but you see the videos, but a lot of those people, half the time, they're acting like asses because they're cocked and ready.
	I'm not saying you should be able to videotape a cop.
	I let a cop know that I was audio recording.
	I'm letting him know.
	When the cops have got cameras on themselves, complaints against the police drop by 88%.
	I absolutely support police cameras.
	100%.
	I think everyone should.
	I think everyone should too.
	I think it's one of those things that's just like opening up insurance across state lines.
	It's common sense.
	It should be allowed.
	But again, all my interactions with police officers, even actually, one time when I made a joke at a police officer about how I was trying to get the hell out of a state, that's why I was speeding.
	I think I was like in Wyoming or something.
	It's an old joke.
	And he laughed.
	Like, well, you're going really fast.
	And so he gave me a ticket.
	I've never had cops who are trying to be rude or mean, but I also go out of my way.
	My hands are on the wheel.
	If I have my concealed carry, officer, there's a weapon in the car.
	I have a license just to let you know.
	Thank you for letting me know.
	They appreciate it.
	And they're always out of, as a matter of fact, they've probably gotten out of five tickets because cops just go, thank you for making my day easy.
	And they let you go on with your job.
	If I were a dick, they would, again, match that intensity.
	And I think both sides.
	Yeah.
	Without a doubt.
	But what I'm saying is that I think there are a lot of times where I see videos of cops initiating the encounter with an attitude.
	And again, you know, there can be a thousand different things, different reasons for them doing this.
	You know, they could have had a bad day.
	They could have seen some guy get his brains blown out.
	You know, they could have gotten their best mate shot or something like that.
	There could be a thousand reasons.
	But the person who they're dealing with doesn't know any of this.
	And so, you know, they come in acting like a bit of an asshole because they can.
	And again, I think it's very much the metropolitan police stations.
	They're very much incentivized to do it by the trainers.
	Enclaves of progressivism.
	Yeah, well.
	New York, LA, Chicago.
	It's not so much progressivism.
	It's more authoritarianism is the issue.
	Well, I was trying to use your freaking word and you were like, don't use leftism.
	I think leftism encompasses all of it because leftism goes from socialism to authoritarianism.
	All is under the left side of the political spectrum.
	But yes, I would say authoritarianism in this case.
	You can have a sort of more libertarian left.
	That's the sort of classical liberal.
	No, it can't be libertarian left.
	Sorry.
	You can't.
	Yeah, you can.
	No.
	You can't.
	Anyway, libertarians are to the right of Attila the Hun.
	Continue.
	Okay.
	But it doesn't matter.
	The point is, it's not really a left-right divide that we're dealing with.
	It's more authoritarian-libertarian divide.
	And this is the issue.
	These people come in with a very authoritarian attitude and they can be quite aggressive and belligerent.
	And again, I'm not saying it's not explainable, but the people on the other end don't know anything about it.
	And so it sets a bad tone for the encounter, no matter what the encounter is going to be.
	And a bit of professionalism.
	And again, I know that it's encouraged in certain departments.
	I've seen the video of the trainer saying this is how you have to act.
	And, you know, I've seen evidence that certain police stations and departments, they hire people who aren't that bright.
	I hate to say it, but you just made some generalities that I'll have to call it.
	There is no the trainer.
	Every municipality has a different trainer.
	So even if you find it.
	They do.
	And I've seen lots and lots of videos of different trainers doing the same thing.
	Sure.
	There's some, but there are some who are good.
	And my point with this.
	There are.
	I'm not saying that that's the thing.
	You know, you can't discount the things I've seen just because not all of them.
	No, I'm not.
	But I'm saying, but you said, I've seen the trainer.
	And what I'm saying is someone will take that and go, you know, someone who's not as educated as you, one of your viewers will go, he saw the traitor who trains all the cops and he told them to shoot the blacks, you know, and they'll go nuts.
	So I want to be careful.
	Yeah, okay, yeah, yeah.
	Okay, that's fair enough.
	I mean, yeah, I am being general.
	And so I am talking about specific examples, but it's not the same example each time that I'm talking about.
	It's different ones from different locations who I think, I mean, it probably is something to do with the authoritarian left choosing these particular people to go and, you know, this particular type of person.
	No, I would say this.
	This is my point.
	And I think you're right.
	But I think you're missing something here respectfully.
	I think you're missing something that is one constant here.
	My family, they go to church actually in McKinney.
	As a matter of fact, they live in, well, they live in the Dallas area.
	So they've gone all the way from Dallas out to McKinney.
	Church was 50% black, 50% everything else.
	Very, very mixed.
	Very, you know, you're talking about an incredible amount of diversity.
	I lived in New York City.
	I've never seen worse racism in my life than New York City.
	Maybe LA when I lived in LA.
	New York, LA, Chicago, all enclaves of leftism, progressivism, authoritarianism, whatever you want to call it, where a tenant of their political activism is race baiting.
	If you look at Al Sharpton, Al Sharpton is not showing up in McKinney until something happens.
	Al Sharpton is making stops in Chicago, LA, New York, all the time to tell those citizens.
	Al Sharpton's quite famous.
	Yes.
	Or anyone.
	Jesse Jackson, Barack Obama, I put him in that pool now, shows up there to let those citizens know the cards are stacked against you.
	And hey, the cops are racist.
	So, all these places where there's this huge kickback and cops are being offed and attacked in record numbers are places where the left, in order to sustain their political base, have to keep that myth alive.
	And so that's what I'm saying.
	I think before the cops are reacting to it, they are creating an atmosphere that is so volatile and so anti-police that even the good ones have to have eyes in the back of their head.
	Yeah, now that hey, that's a great point.
	And that actually really reinforces what I'm saying as well.
	And it really fleshes out my point.
	It absolutely does.
	But the point is, it's done by the authorities.
	It's, you know, it's perpetuated by the authorities.
	And that's the main issue.
	And it's, I completely agree.
	I think that these people do use identity politics to foster division as part of their political strategy.
	Absolutely.
	And that's again, this is something that for people who consider themselves libertarian left, they have a real problem with the authoritarian left because I can't stand it.
	I absolutely cannot stand it.
	I think it's despicable.
	And I know that there are thousands of other people from Gamergate primarily.
	You should see the political breakdown of GameGate.
	It's very much sort of left-leaning libertarian rather than any sort of right-leaning or authoritarian.
	If you look at sort of a four-quarter political compass, it's a very interesting thing.
	And it's, I do think that these are the people, the sort of left authoritarians, who are using these sort of bully boy tactics and training.
	And again, again, it doesn't have to be all of the police in a station.
	It just has to be enough to create a culture, you know, a culture of acceptability.
	And that's that is, I think, the problem.
	You know, it's, I think a lot of them.
	I mean, I think we're both agreeing that the problem comes police at the end of the day generally are pawns more so than people who are creating this environment.
	Yes.
	And so are the people attacking the police.
	They're all there.
	I hate to say pawns because I sound illuminated.
	But you know what I mean?
	I mean, you're talking about a black mayor in Baltimore, city legislature, prosecuting attorney, all of whom.
	The narrative doesn't work.
	Right.
	Right.
	So they have to go, racism.
	It's the cops, even though most of the cops are black.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	It's not about race.
	It's about authoritarianism.
	It's about treatment and stuff like that.
	Well, they make it about race.
	And so they do a gross disservice to their communities by making it about race.
	And then in turn, they make they actually create greater, I mean, greater violence in their communities.
	People now have a more proclivity toward being abused by police officers because it's on a hairpin trigger.
	They're expecting it.
	You know, and the police, you know, it's, but that's that.
	That was the great thing about Baltimore.
	You know, majority black police, black mayor.
	What are you going to do?
	Claim racism?
	Bollocks.
	They did.
	You know?
	Yeah, of course they did, but it's obviously nonsense.
	You know, it's got to be another problem.
	You know, it's authoritarianism within the police, I think, is the main issue.
	And I do think it was, you know, promoted by the left.
	Very much so.
	But there was, I've seen like other examples where I think it was at Albuquerque Sheriff or something.
	He basically had done an interview with the press where he basically said something like, I've got a bunch of police on my force that I shouldn't have on my force.
	They're people I don't trust.
	I think they're going to do something stupid, but I can't legally get rid of them.
	I'd have to find out the information about it later.
	But that's something that I have seen.
	And it's that sort of thing.
	I think that there are people in the system who know that there is a significant problem with the system.
	Maybe they didn't realize how it was going to end up with this sort of militarization, this sort of more aggressive mindset that's been instilled in the police.
	And, you know, maybe they didn't think it was going to end up being quite as difficult as it is.
	Maybe they thought it was going to be a solution to a lot of problems, and it turns out that it's not.
	And, you know, I think a lot of American police have got to be fired.
	A lot of cultures have to change in these police departments.
	That's the issue, I think.
	I think a lot of it is an issue of culture, of professional culture within these police departments.
	Yeah.
	Well, again, but I'm saying it is a cultural issue, but you don't have that same cultural problem, like you said, not only in rural, but in more conservative areas of the United States.
	Like I said, people don't think of Dallas as a diverse area.
	Oh, it's going to be racist South.
	No.
	You're talking about areas that are mixed churches, mixed police forces.
	It's certainly going to be more mixed in Dallas than Detroit.
	It's certainly going to be more mixed in Dallas than an ultra-white area of, I don't know, Oklahoma.
	I'm talking about there are areas like that that lean toward the right, that since they're pro-liberty across the board, they're pro-gun, it tends to keep it in check.
	The place where you have the biggest problems are the big cities, which are leftist, progressive, authoritarian, whatever it is.
	You know, one of the things I can't stand about the progressives is the authoritarian progressives, they are very, very, very eager.
	They're not just happy to do this.
	They're eager to generalize based on things like race and sex and class.
	They can't wait to do it.
	It's the first thing they do.
	They look at you and they make a judgment about you as a person, your character, based on your skin color, your gender, your wealth, all this sort of thing, as if these are somehow defining characteristics about you as a person.
	That's because they're principle-less people, as a general rule.
	So they can't be defined by their principles.
	Well, exactly.
	And this is the stark contrast difference between the right.
	I mean, people on the right are very individualist, as far as I can tell.
	And they're very much more polite when you talk to them in person.
	You know, they might be, and I don't want to be too offensive when I say this, because there are a lot of people on the right that I like, but they may be a bit more harsh towards demographics when they see them operating in, say, riots and stuff.
	But in an individual by individual case, they're very, very much more polite than the left.
	Whereas the left is the complete opposite.
	They'll be very rude to you as an individual, but they think that if they say, oh, I'm Black Lives Matter, for example, or, you know, yes, all women, and all that sort of stuff, they think that if they are fighting for what they consider a higher cause, like all women or all black people or whatever, then it justifies the treatment of the individual.
	And I always have a hell of a hard time trying to explain to them: look, if you preserve the sanctity of the individual, you preserve the sanctity of the masses because they're all individuals, you fucking idiots.
	Right.
	Well, even then, it's even worse.
	Like, I remember someone saying, you know, like, I was sitting around and my wife was horrified.
	They were going, you know, I just love kids.
	I love kids.
	Don't you just love kids?
	And I, because I want to have children.
	I said, no.
	If you want kids, do it.
	Yeah.
	But I said, but they said, don't you love kids?
	I said, no.
	What?
	I said, well, I just think it's a stupid generalized statement.
	What do you mean, don't you?
	I said, well, I like some kids, but I think just like with adults, just like with black people, just like with women.
	Exactly.
	You're going to have a certain percentage of those kids that I'm not going to like.
	It's going to be shoving crayons up the other kids' nose.
	So I think it's a stupid statement.
	It's like saying, I love black people.
	Don't you love black people?
	No.
	You hate black people?
	No.
	I'm making neither of those statements.
	Don't you love women?
	I love my wife.
	Sarkeesian.
	I could take her leave.
	I've seen a bunch of Canadian feminists with red hair that are going, oh my gosh.
	You've seen the big red one, right?
	Oh, man.
	I hate that woman.
	You know what I mean?
	Yeah.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Well, the big thing to me with the feminism is the.
	Yeah, if you don't have a uterus, you can't have an opinion.
	Shut up.
	Piss off.
	I didn't have a uterus.
	Like, since when do I have to have a uterus to have an opinion on women?
	Oh, okay.
	Well, guess what?
	Guess who voted so that you could have a right to vote, dummy?
	People with penises.
	You weren't complaining then.
	You the cop, go vote for me, please.
	Give me the right to vote.
	I just use your penis privilege and you don't have a uterus?
	Yeah.
	I hate it.
	One of my favorite things when they talk about the patriarchy is they say, oh, you know, no, we want to smash the patriarchy.
	And I was like, why would you want to do that?
	The patriarchy has given you everything you ever wanted.
	You know, what do you want?
	The right to vote without being drafted?
	You've got it.
	You know, what do you want?
	Equal pay?
	You've got it.
	Is that not good enough?
	Do you want quotas?
	You've got it.
	This is all, these are all things the patriarchy has fucking giving you.
	Because you're saying, oh, we live in a patriarchy.
	And these are all things you have.
	Therefore, the patriarchy is on your fucking side.
	Because we want to sleep with you.
	Because we want to sleep with you.
	Let's just be honest.
	Listen, we want to please women because we are sexually attracted to you.
	And we know we're not going like we're just assuming next to someone, you know, it helps.
	Generally, it lends itself towards having a good evening.
	I'm sorry.
	Are you just saying we're just good for sex?
	No, I'm not.
	But I'm saying it's a huge driver for men.
	And because they find you sexually attractive, do you have any like you're gonna hold?
	The reason he's holding a door for you and not the hairy-backed jackass who walked in behind you is because he's thinking, maybe if I hold open the door, it'll open up a conversation.
	See you're being sexually predatorial.
	No, it doesn't mean I want to rape you.
	It means that I want to please you.
	And we've turned that into something, we've turned something that is they think men are monsters.
	They think men amongst us.
	Here's one thing I've talked about too with Milo.
	Okay, and we'll probably have to go because people will see the time code and be like, I'm not clicking that.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	My, so they talk about, you know, male sexuality.
	This is going to sound very profane, but my penis, okay?
	So tell me about your penis.
	It's a veritable weather stick of beauty.
	You can't trick it.
	It knows no societal boundaries.
	It doesn't care how poor you are.
	It doesn't care the color of your skin.
	If you're attractive, it's going up.
	You can't trick the system.
	It's a lie detector test.
	So there is no, like, we had a meeting behind your back and just said, oh, we're going to say Lena Denham isn't attractive just to really screw with her.
	You're not attractive.
	You didn't beat the test.
	It's not lying.
	If you say Lena Dunham, if I were to say Lena Dunham's attractive, my wiener would be going on the graph.
	And you're like, he's lying.
	His pulse is going up because it's not true.
	And that is beautiful.
	It is something that knows no cultural boundaries and we treat it like it's a bad thing.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, there is an inherent demonization of male sexuality in feminist circles.
	The thing is, I mean, I was reading The Guardian in the UK a while ago, which is a very progressive left newspaper.
	And I was reading it because I often find things in there that are so ridiculous, I can mock them in my videos.
	It's very entertaining.
	And I found one that I did make a video of.
	It was, I can't remember what the video was called off the top of my head.
	But it was in the article, they were linking to a paper that was written by feminist academics in some University of Toronto or something.
	And the beginning of this paper started with: Feminists have long argued that men use rape as a form of societal control based on this.
	And then, and it's just like, well, oh, fucking, hang on, I'll stop you there.
	You know, as a man, I can tell you we don't use rape as a form of societal control.
	It's just, we wouldn't make it illegal if we were going to do that.
	We wouldn't make it completely legal.
	It'd be normal.
	I mean, there wouldn't be any shame attached to it.
	You wouldn't get people who are accused of being rapists getting the shit kicked out of them in the street just on the accusation.
	Right.
	It wouldn't happen.
	I have full faith in you that if right now I said, hey, by the way, I raped this chick, I have full faith in you that you would report me to the proper authorities.
	Exactly.
	It never comes up.
	It never comes up like, hey, guys, don't you just love raping?
	I know these chicks don't even see it coming.
	It doesn't happen.
	And they're like, yeah, well, what we should do is teach men not to rape.
	And it's like, well, okay, hang on.
	The people who are raping already know they shouldn't.
	Right.
	You know, it's not difficult.
	They already know that.
	Oh, that's a bad activity.
	Oh, exactly.
	But what you've effectively said there is, what we need to do is teach criminals not to commit crimes.
	It's like, hey, there's probably a Nobel Prize in your future if you can pull that shit off.
	Right.
	I mean, we've only been doing it for about 4,000 years with like fucking Hammurabi's code of laws right up until now.
	And we're still not figuring it out.
	So, feminists, if you can do it, go for it.
	You know, figure it out.
	And I don't know why it's accepted.
	And by the way, like, it's nonsense.
	Women are so fortunate in that they just have to look through resumes if ever they're interested in sex at any point.
	They just have to go like, all right, this one, no, this one, no, this one, no.
	Guys, like, are you sure?
	Are you sure?
	Okay.
	You know, like, they don't understand that either, what it's like.
	They're like, well, you're sexually predatorial.
	You know why?
	Because most women don't want to sleep with most guys.
	And because we don't rape, we shave, we put on deodorant.
	We want to look good because our natural prey drive to have sex drives us.
	And women get to pick from any suitor they want.
	If you're moderately attractive, that's another thing, by the way.
	Standard of beauty.
	When I say beauty, my wife is obscenely attractive.
	Okay.
	So let's not say that.
	I'm like, well, he says that because his wife is the top thin model.
	But I've dated, I've dated black girls.
	I've dated Asian girls.
	I've dated all different kinds of women.
	Men are not the ones who are trying to uphold the standard beauty.
	You know who, you know, who is gay fashion designers.
	Men fight.
	Look at the cover of men's magazines.
	Okay, Kate Upton is the woman who other women, again, behind other, behind backs, go, she's kind of chabby.
	Look at her.
	She has little childhood.
	And guys are going, bring that over here.
	We don't care.
	You have to be perfect.
	This is why my missus hates feminists because she's just like, look, right?
	The people who fat shame and the people who, you know, slut shame and body shame and all this sort of stuff, it's not, it's not men.
	Men aren't doing that because they want to have sex with the women they're talking to.
	So they don't go out and bitch at them.
	Women aren't trying to do it.
	In fact, women are seeing each other as competition.
	And so they go out of their way to try and, you know, be derogatory towards each other because it's advantageous for them to do so.
	You know, it makes this other woman feel sad.
	She runs off and cries.
	She can get the woman.
	She can get the guy now.
	I will tell you this.
	And this is absolutely true.
	Anyone who's watching this, if you don't back me up on this, any man who's married to an attractive wife, I have never in my life had more women throw themselves at me than with an attractive wife.
	Oh, it's unreal.
	Before that, no one looked at me.
	I managed to trick this one.
	Now they see her with me, and sometimes they'll flirt with me right in front of her.
	And I'm not saying, I'm not anything special to look at.
	I'm no Greek god, okay?
	I have been night and day.
	And I don't know, it's a competitive drive.
	I think a lot of it's how you carry yourself.
	When you're not looking, I think that, you know, when you're single and you're desperate sort of thing, and you're very, you know, you're looking for a woman to chat up and impress.
	I think women can pick up on that.
	I think they can tell, you know, but when you're kind of just a bit more self-confident, you're not looking for anything, you're not trying anything, then they think, okay, well, he's a challenge.
	You know, now I've got to try and achieve something.
	Whereas, like you're saying, women hold the power in this interaction.
	And actually, I did a video the other day about this, this lesbian who was, she's 5'10, quite well-built.
	You know, she's quite a tomboy.
	So what she did is get a makeup artist to make her up to look like a man.
	And she looked genuinely convincing as a man.
	And then she went on a bunch of dates and she hung out with guys.
	And she was like, wow, I had no idea what it was like to be a man going on dates with women.
	Women are bitches.
	Women are such tough work.
	You know, it's nerve-wracking.
	You're going to get shot down and they don't even care.
	They're going to be completely horrible to you and they don't care.
	Or they noticed her breasts and were like, this date's not going very well.
	She'd worn like this bra that you like, she hadn't got very big breasts anyway.
	And this bra like, you know, flattened them all down.
	So it was really tight.
	So you couldn't tell.
	And she was wearing a baggy shirt.
	So you really.
	I will say this with lesbians, it seems like every single fat woman without breasts, which is a marvel of science, either became a feminist or a lesbian.
	They were saying that you feel bad for them.
	You're like, oh, it's usually the perk.
	You know, you're bigger.
	I don't know how it happened.
	You look like you would be silly, but this woman was lovely.
	She was really, she was really a really empathetic woman.
	By the end of it, they were like, you know, so what do you think?
	She's like, men don't have it any better.
	In fact, I think they might have it worse.
	It's really difficult.
	It's just different being a man than it is to be a woman.
	And they were like, well, what did you put a man?
	Oh, I'm really glad I'm a woman.
	She considered being a woman a privilege.
	Right.
	Well, I had a woman say, You don't know what it's like to walk down the street and have men compliment you on your smile or have men.
	I said, Okay.
	You know what you also don't know?
	You don't know what it's like to walk into a gym to get into the squat rack or the bench press and have every single other man seeing how much weight you put on that and already determining whether or not you're a real man in their book.
	They judge men so harshly.
	If you're a woman and you walk in in yoga pants and you're moderately attractive, you're already on their good-to-go list.
	So again, listen, both.
	I'm not saying that there aren't certain sensitivities we're not going to have as men to the challenges that women face.
	Of course, it's because we're different.
	Absolutely.
	But to act as though, well, you just, you only men only react positively to you.
	Have you ever tried to walk up and express your feelings to another man?
	Even a friend, they don't take that stuff.
	They just think, you know, they're going to call you a queer and send you on your way.
	It's homophobic.
	I'm talking about guys.
	They're absolutely going to do that.
	I think this, I think it's something to do with having a massive fucking beard.
	I don't ever have that problem.
	No one ever casts aspersions on my masculinity.
	So I'm actually kind of open with my feelings.
	I don't give a fuck.
	Well, I am too.
	I mean, we've been open about our feelings here.
	But I'm saying, you know, men, as a general rule, don't have that form.
	There are a lot of men who have that problem.
	You know, I agree.
	I think the ones who are less overtly masculine, I think, have that problem a lot more than I do.
	You know, I don't think there's ever a chance that I'm going to be mistaken for a female.
	So, and I would feel sorry for the woman who looks like me.
	So I've had no particular problem with it.
	But I think if I was, you know, smaller, more effeminate, maybe, then, you know, I think there are probably a lot of guys who would feel that they have to act a lot more masculine because of it, you know?
	Yeah, I just think the solution is to stop being smaller and feminine.
	Isn't that right, Jerry?
	Oh, yeah, get down the fucking gym.
	Jesus, you know, that's the only solution.
	What is Jared?
	Jared is right.
	He is smaller and kind of hipster.
	I love you.
	Oh, I've been thinking about thinking about the gym.
	So that's we're moving in the right direction, I think.
	Jared got really mad.
	I felt I was kind of joking, but I realized it was a bit of a dick move.
	He was just walking down the street, and I grabbed him with one arm, like a suitcase, and I just put him under my arm and started carrying.
	He was like, that made me feel really powerless.
	I was like, I'm sorry.
	Now, if I did that to a woman, it'd be front page news.
	Can you imagine?
	Yeah, you'd be in jail by now.
	Well, so you let it look.
	I was going to say, you look like you do some lifting yourself.
	Yeah, yeah, I've actually been kind of lazy of late, but since my son was born, I've not really had free time, you know, and it's, you know, just, but yeah, I'm going to be getting back into it when he's a bit when he's old enough to not need constant watching and stuff, you know.
	Well, the strongest man in the world was from your neck out of the woods, Andy Bolton.
	I don't know if you know that name, but he had a house of pain.
	He had a thousand 13-pound deadlift.
	Really?
	Yes, which is people who don't lift don't know what that means.
	You know, squats now, like you'll see a 1,200-pound squat, but they wear a suit where you actually can't squat unless there's at least like 400 pounds on your back.
	It's so inflexible.
	So it can add like four or five hundred pounds to your lift in squats or a couple hundred pounds to bench.
	But with the deadlifts, because of the mechanics of it, you can't build a suit that is like a lever that lifts you up.
	So it's much harder to cheat.
	So an over thousand-pound deadlift is a feat that is yeah.
	You should walk Andy Bolton.
	Right, I'll look him up.
	I'm quite lucky.
	I've got like a broad frame, you know, I've got a big frame.
	I've always been genetically predisposed to not lift very many weights and see the effects reasonably quickly.
	I'm quite lucky.
	I've got friends who are just naturally quite slim and slender and they lift a lot of weights and they get strong, but they don't get sort of sizable.
	Yeah, it's that ectomorph, mesomorph.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I've always don't comes with a belly, so it's not like that's a perfect example of two.
	Unrealistic standards of beauty for women.
	What do they think men think when they, you know, they watch the WB and every man has their chest waxed?
	This is something I say to what, not even that, right?
	Is what I always say to women is like, don't look at your fashion magazines.
	For fuck's sake, don't look at your fashion magazines because men aren't looking at your fashion magazines.
	Look at like lads mags.
	If you look at lads mags, what are they?
	They're women with big tits and round asses all over the covers, all you know, from cover to cover.
	It's curvy women.
	It's not fucking skinny women, you know, guys like tits and asses.
	There's no getting around it.
	Don't, you know, don't kill yourself.
	My wife is very thin.
	Well, yeah, but you know.
	No, I think, I think you'll find, I think you'll find a much more diverse set of women in a gentleman's magazine than in a women's fashion magazine.
	You will find, you know, women who are smaller than.
	It's like women who are excluded from it, you know.
	Exactly.
	That's the interesting thing, you know.
	Whereas in women's fashion, it's always very slim, very slim.
	And I personally don't go for that.
	Well, I didn't either until I married my wife.
	And I mean, until I met my wife.
	And I mean, we were long distance.
	We didn't meet for six months before we actually met in person because I was in LA and she was on a semester at sea.
	And so usually she wasn't my type.
	And so I hate, put it this way.
	I mean, she's a six-foot, you know, blonde.
	You know, she was a former model.
	So she's the kind of woman that women look at and hate.
	But myself, you know, you wouldn't look at her and like, certainly not busty, but it's still beautiful.
	No one would deny that she's beautiful, but it wasn't necessarily my type.
	And there was, again, being a man, they say, well, you know, you're just attracting.
	No, not just the physicality.
	I fell in love with her.
	She's a fantastic person.
	And even though she wasn't my type, the good thing is that for guys, pretty much any type is your type, as long as the woman is a kind person.
	This is one thing that I think feminists don't believe as well is that men are, I mean, for a casual encounter, men are very concerned about looks, obviously, you know, for a casual, you know, of course.
	But when it actually comes to a relationship, I mean, maybe, maybe it's because I'm getting older and I'm more mature and I'm looking to, I'm no longer thinking, okay, you know, is she like physically flawless?
	I'm thinking, am I going to get on with her in the long term, you know?
	Right.
	But maybe that's just me getting older or something.
	But I know I think that's all men.
	I think it's all men.
	You just agree.
	There is attractive enough and then pretty much all is acceptable men.
	And isn't that a great thing?
	We want, and the same with women, like, you know, would always, I always find like women who are married.
	Like, anyone I get naked, your husband wants to see you naked.
	Okay.
	I just have a, I have a birthmark and I have a care.
	He wants to see you like, I think he wants Jessica Alba.
	No, he doesn't want Jessica Alba naked.
	If there were a picture of Jessica Alba naked, he probably wouldn't turn away.
	He still wants to see you naked.
	He likes it.
	Isn't that great?
	Well, no, it puts pressure on me.
	There's no pressure.
	Literally.
	Remove clothing.
	You can't really go wrong.
	No.
	I mean, the whole non-shave your pits movement that's going on now with feminists.
	Yeah, I'm not a fan of that.
	No, I'm not.
	There are some, some, there is some patriarchy there where I'm going to copy-paste that desire to you.
	No hairy armpits.
	Yeah.
	But that's that's just standards.
	You know, I mean, you don't have to hold that standard.
	It's not mandatory, but you know, there's some guy watching this right now who in another tab has chickswitharmpits.com.
	That's the beauty.
	There's something for every woman.
	There's a guy out there who thinks you're the hottest thing.
	Have you seen what?
	Whatever's weird about you, it's his fetish.
	Exactly.
	Have you seen these women who make like six figures just eating Big Macs and like donuts on webcams?
	It's not even sexual.
	They just eat it and guys are like, oh, a left-handed mouse.
	Like, you know, they just can't get over it.
	Really?
	Yeah.
	Well, I just Google Fat Girl webcam and I guarantee you'll find more than you could watch in a lifetime.
	Yeah.
	I mean, you have to be careful.
	It's kind of like Jared when he was Googled transgender when we were writing articles on it.
	Oh, that's one thing.
	Okay, we have a little bit of time.
	I think we're already past the point where someone's not going to quit.
	And well, yeah, Jared, firstly, tell them your transgender story when you were Googling that for me.
	Oh, it was horrible.
	It was something out of a horror movie.
	I was trying to find, I think I was trying to find like just a, you know, just a butchy looking guy for one or a post or something like that.
	I'm like, oh, and what was it?
	It was, there's a difference between Googling transgender and transsexual or something like that.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	This is what it was.
	Transgender, you're okay.
	You're okay to Google images of transgender.
	You'll probably sleep okay.
	Tranny is 150% different.
	Entirely different web results.
	Oh, yeah, clothing, for one, and then a lot of other weird stuff, for sure.
	I think it's a...
	Clothing sums it all up.
	I mean, you know, it's either, you know, a lack of, really, isn't it?
	Well, I have this general rule, too.
	I took, you know, it's funny you mentioned there are no communications classes in college.
	I took communications and creative arts.
	And we had a graphic design something.
	We were drawing.
	I don't know.
	And they brought in nude models.
	Now, I graduated high school at 16.
	So I'm in here.
	I'm 17.
	Full disclosure at this point.
	No.
	Well, aside and move, I think, no, was I 16?
	I don't know.
	It was one of the first naked ladies I'd ever seen in my life.
	And I think the general rule with nude modeling is if they're attractive, it's pornography.
	If they're ugly, it's art.
	Because they brought this in.
	And I remember I was sitting there.
	I was like, this lady, Harry Pitts.
	I mean, the one saving grace was I couldn't even see the nether regions because they were so just covered in, like, you'd have to, like, literally romancing the stone.
	Michael Douglas with a machete could not find the scent.
	People are like, this is definitely art.
	Yes, exactly.
	And so what I did, like, I was so immature because I just wanted to get kicked out of class.
	I just drew a stick figure with boobs.
	And my teacher comes and goes, well, if you can't, if you can't responsibly handle the human form, I said, this is an introductory course.
	Last week, I failed the fruit basket.
	I don't know what would make you think I have a shot.
	First off, you're starting off with trauma right away.
	So my brain's not functioning properly.
	And the guy looked like a woman.
	He had a long ponytail, was completely hairless, and the woman looked like a guy.
	She looked like you probably, this reference may not mean anything to you.
	Do you know Elliot Smith, the artist?
	No, I'm not from him.
	Okay.
	Well, if you Google his picture of Elliot Smith, she looked like Elliot Smith.
	Oh, hang on.
	Sorry, just go off on a bit of a tangent.
	Do you know, you mentioned Lena Dunham earlier.
	I take it you heard about paedophilia.
	Refresh my memory.
	Really?
	Oh, right.
	In Lena Dunham's memoirs, she's already written a memoir, Barry?
	Yeah, with the rapist.
	No, no, no.
	No.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	She basically kind of shoved stones inside her one-year-old sister's vagina.
	Yeah, I'd say it's her sister.
	Yeah, her sister.
	Yeah, and would masturbate with her.
	Instead, yes.
	What's paedophilia, though?
	What are you saying there?
	Well, the reason I say it is because basically Lena Dunham is, well, she describes herself as being a sexual predator.
	She seems to be rather weird.
	Yes.
	Google Lena Dunham's father.
	Oh, her father.
	Yeah, the pictures.
	Yeah, they're all wide open, angry vaginas.
	Yes.
	It's the only thing he draws.
	Exactly.
	It's absolutely the only thing he's doing.
	And suddenly, it doesn't seem so strange that she is so weird.
	I honestly, I believe there's some, you know, people might try and sue me for slander here, so I'm not making the accusation as fact.
	I think there's some weird kind of relationship between Lena Dunham and her father.
	I think there's some weird stuff that went down there.
	I think even if there isn't, then I think having a father who is obsessed with drawing gigantic hairy vaginas and having them across the walls in the art galleries all across the world and whatnot, I think that is probably enough to make you a bit queer.
	A bit weird.
	I think that in itself is probably going to make a kid not very well adjusted.
	Yeah.
	Well, it's also the one example where objectification of women is actually happening.
	By the way, for those of you watching, Jared, have you ever seen this?
	Have you ever seen the pictures?
	No, no, no.
	Google Lena Dunham's dad.
	It's not like picture like, you know, the Beatles like yellow submarine art.
	Sure.
	Only with snatch.
	And there's no face.
	There's no body.
	Picture like the Starlock monster in Return of the Jedi.
	Yeah.
	Kind of.
	Not that detailed.
	But literally like the LSD like trip sort of yellow submarine is a style.
	A woman bent over and then it's just a giant open vagina with hair coming out of everywhere.
	Dunham's dad.
	Okay.
	And hit image.
	He has clearly got some issues with his mother is all I'm saying.
	Oh, thank the Lord for filters.
	I have to dig a little farther, a little harder here.
	So I'll get back to you on this.
	All right, we'll get back to it.
	All right.
	We'll bring him back in.
	I can't believe he hasn't seen it.
	I mean, that's.
	Yeah.
	Oh, Lord.
	Anyone listening, seriously, do it.
	Do it.
	Oh, this is true.
	Have you ever seen an angrier vagina, Jared?
	No, no.
	And I mean, I don't make a point of Googling angry vaginas, but if I did, I'm pretty sure this would trump them all.
	It's every picture.
	Cycle through them, buddy.
	Yeah, every single one.
	Cycle through them or I dock your pay.
	This is your research.
	Isn't this just like an art collection that screams, I need a psychologist?
	Yeah.
	No, no, he needs a psychiatrist.
	He needs heavy medication.
	Well, yeah, yeah, that too.
	It's well, yeah.
	And yeah, she's basically, well, that's what I'm saying.
	You can't have a dad like that who only draws vaginas and then touch your little sister and not have someone call you on it.
	I mean, there's something really, really backwards about Lena Dunham.
	And not to mention, she's horrendously unattractive, both inside and out.
	There's like no redeeming value.
	She's not funny.
	She's not talented.
	She's not attractive.
	And no one watches her show.
	Like, she's lucky to bring in 600,000 viewers, which on HBO is abysmal.
	Yeah, yeah, of course.
	It's a TV program of crisis.
	Well, on HBO, yeah, compared to Game of Thrones, I mean, their numbers are like millions.
	I mean, that's the thing.
	She's there for the feminist audience.
	She's not there because she's actually popular.
	She's there for the progressives.
	She's like the new Streisand.
	They're pushing her and the whole feminist thing.
	Although Streisen actually talent.
	She's really, yeah, just vile.
	And, you know, nobody wants to look at her.
	Nobody wants to deal with her as a person.
	You know, she's just really vile.
	She's disgusting.
	Yeah.
	And yeah, when she claimed the rape thing, I did some digging.
	And I'm a comic.
	Yeah.
	I'm not a journalist.
	I was like, well, let me figure this out.
	And I spoke with someone.
	I was never willing to do the show, but I spoke with this person.
	And I was sitting there.
	And I knew within about 10 minutes that everything she said was completely fabricated.
	It wasn't hard to really find.
	She said, you know, treasurer of like college Republicans, you can cross-reference.
	You know, it's not hard.
	But no one on the left was doing it.
	No one even wanted to.
	They think it's great.
	They think it's wonderful.
	Oh, a very progressive feminist who is on TV and she's saying, oh, this awful Republican raped me or whatever the story was.
	It's like, yeah, that's exactly what they want to hear.
	It's like an exercise in confirmation bias.
	They couldn't.
	They were probably asking her to make it up.
	You know, it's rape culture.
	I did a video on that.
	I can send it to you where I did.
	I've dressed up as Lena Dunham, and it was like the whole theme of the video was like, oh, what are you going to tell you?
	Rape me now?
	What?
	No.
	Oh, you're.
	No, I don't.
	No, I don't want to rape you at all.
	Like, that's the whole thing.
	Like, let's be honest.
	No one wants to rape Lena Dunham.
	I mean, well, no, not no one.
	Most people don't.
	Yeah.
	Didn't she say, I walked down the street and I'm always amazed at how many guys around me must have masturbated thinking about me.
	Yeah, well, we actually did a video and we never ran it.
	That's going to be a lot less than you think, Lena.
	Yeah.
	Well, the idea for the video was, I don't know, are we still going to do it?
	Probably not.
	I mean, it's old now, but I mean, it's still, she's still ugly, so it's still not current.
	Yeah, this is true.
	Well, we were just going to do, like, if you have you seen A Beautiful Mind or like Goodwill Hunting.
	Okay, so you know that, or like the, what was the one?
	I just forgot his name.
	The Stephen Hawking story.
	So we were going to.
	I haven't got around to watching that yet.
	Anything where you see a lot of math in a film.
	So what we were going to do was this video, and we didn't do it because something else.
	Oh, I was right before around Baltimore, I think.
	So it got trumped.
	Where it's like, read the Lena Dunham tweet.
	It's weird to think of how many guys masturbated to me in a subway.
	And it was going to be a close-up.
	And then me at a chalkboard and the music and the dramatic, you're thinking all these equations on the wall, you know, the numbers coming out and the three-dimensional camera moving around.
	And then just pan out.
	We're just going to point and say, zero.
	Yeah.
	This long equation.
	Yeah, just zero.
	None.
	Like, no one, even the creep, even the creep who's sitting with his dong in his hands on the subway.
	And by the way, I've seen these people living in New York.
	He sees Lena Dunham and he, you know, it's like.
	He just covers himself up.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's like he takes the round out of the chamber to wait until someone else comes in.
	Where then he's like, okay, let's load one back.
	He literally does the opposite.
	It's like, it's the one time his hand comes off his unit is when she comes to sit next to him.
	And then she's like, oh, what?
	So what are you going to try and masturbate to me?
	This is rape culture.
	This is rape culture.
	They're mad if you rape them.
	And then they're you know, which they should be.
	But then they're mad that guys say, well, no one wants to, no one wants to rape you because you're unattractive.
	Well, that's also rape culture.
	Sorry, Lena.
	Sorry.
	Yeah.
	I'm not saying, by the way, you should be mad if there's a rapist.
	Okay.
	If we can all agree on that.
	Can we also all agree that Lena Dunham is heinous?
	Yeah, you're very safe, Lena.
	Just so you know, you're very safe.
	Yeah.
	That's all my wife, we had her on the show and she was talking about it.
	And she said, the women who complain about compliments are women who didn't receive compliments.
	She goes, and so they have to create this sort of this construct in their mind of, well, it's bad and the people who are doing it are bad.
	And so I don't want those anyway because it's bad and it's really sexist.
	And then if they ever, and that's why you don't see many feminists who are married at that point.
	They're feminist, but not third wave feminists because they finally got the compliment.
	And now compliments don't really offend them because, you know, at some point, you had to get if any woman who's married, any woman who's married, got complimented unsolicited at some point.
	Oh, yeah.
	One of the funniest things that you see, the feminists love having the little signs going, I need feminism because, you know, and a lot of it's like, oh, oh, I get, I get cat called in the street and that's rape culture and stuff like that.
	And I, honest to God, saw one that was, I need feminism because I didn't get cat called and that shouldn't make me feel ugly.
	And it's obviously she wasn't very attractive, which is why she didn't get cat called.
	But she was pissed off that she wasn't getting cat called and that's why she needed feminism.
	It's like, okay, so if you're getting cat called, you need feminism.
	If you're not getting cat called, you need feminism.
	So there is never a time when feminism has won.
	You know, it's this perpetual fucking thing.
	It pisses me off, man.
	Do you see Jurassic World, the complaints that it was like patriarchy, the characters?
	You know, I've seen a lot of women, a lot of feminists, sorry, complaining that the woman's wardrobe is more important than the woman of the character.
	Now, I don't really know anything about a woman's wardrobe, so I'm just like, all right, maybe.
	But again, we don't care.
	It's more important to women.
	Exactly.
	I'm actually concerned about the character of the woman, but I haven't actually seen Jurassic World yet either.
	But that's well, those are the complaints where it's like it's the traditional roles where Bryce Dallas Howard continually has to turn down Chris Pratt's advances until she ultimately relents.
	Listen, he's a six foot two, really good-looking, charming guy.
	And he won her over.
	Isn't that great?
	You know, it's amazing he had to win her over.
	You know what I mean?
	Chris Pratt.
	I mean, come on.
	I think every man loves Chris Pratt.
	Like, I don't know anyone who doesn't like Chris Pratt.
	Yeah, no, I liked him a lot in Guardians of the Galaxy.
	I wasn't even a massive fan of the film, but he is really charming.
	You know, he's a really, really charming guy.
	And he's not on that note.
	We can leave that we are both heterosexual men who believe rape is wrong, but we would both sleep with Chris Pratt if sex with Chris Pratt is not wrong.
	It's not wrong.
	As a matter of fact, I think the only thing we can do to defeat patriarchy is every man has to have a romp with Chris Pratt.
	We should have gotten to feminism earlier.
	We went to all the serious topics of the cops and the gay bakeries, and then like the feminism thing is what everyone wants to hear because nobody likes them.
	I like the way that gay bakeries is a serious topic.
	It's the world we live in.
	Gay bakeries is a serious topic.
	Well, did you ever see that video I did where I went to the Muslim bakeries?
	Actually, I haven't seen that one, no.
	Everyone was mad.
	They're like, well, you edited it.
	I'm like, I'm a comic.
	Of course.
	And by the way, any video you've ever seen is edited ever.
	I mean, that's everything.
	If you hit record and hit record again to stop it, you're editing it.
	Yeah.
	But it was basically just went to a bunch of Muslim bakeries in Dearborn, Michigan to ask for a gay cake.
	And, you know, my point wasn't to legislate anything.
	They were just heinously uncomfortable.
	And I just thought it was funny.
	It's like, if you're going to accuse Christians of being intolerant, well, let's figure out, you know, there aren't many.
	There are a lot of religious types who are intolerant, and they're not all Christians.
	The Muslims are worse when it comes to the gays.
	Orthodox Jews are just as bad, man.
	You know, the hang gays?
	Oh, I don't think they.
	Well, I don't know if they hang gays, but they're very.
	Oh, the Muslims do.
	They're not tolerant.
	Well, not all Muslims do.
	That's not fair.
	Every Muslim country does, pretty much.
	Yeah, that's true.
	Most Muslim countries, it is a death penalty.
	But, you know, no Jewish countries or any, you know, modern Christian countries that I know of.
	Modern Muslim countries, you're dead.
	Third world Muslim countries, you're dead.
	Period, if you're gay.
	I don't think turkeys are.
	I love the way I found one.
	Yeah, you found one.
	Exactly.
	You're being a social justice warrior defending it.
	Like, well, not all.
	Well, please give me an example.
	Maybe turkey, they only flog you.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I'm not a cultural relativist.
	I don't think all cultures are made equal.
	I really don't.
	I think some cultures are.
	You know what?
	You know what?
	The great tragedy about Islam is that it wasn't always like this.
	Islam has regressed significantly over the past 200 years.
	It's become a shallow, shallow former self.
	It's going to be too long.
	I can't.
	I know, I know.
	I'm defending the Muslims, but honestly, there has been a palpable change in Islam over the centuries.
	It's a sad thing to see.
	Yeah, I think you're talking about, it's like an Oreo sandwich.
	Look at it this way.
	Muhammad, terrible asshole.
	Guy who did all the stuff, was the worst terrorist.
	And then this, you know, Islam was spreading.
	That's not a fair representation.
	Of Muhammad?
	Are you kidding me?
	No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
	Yeah, but that's like saying that slavery is when slavery was invented, it was an evil.
	But when slavery was invented, it was a moral step up because before that, all you do is have a massacre.
	But now you have no, right, right.
	Slavery was in slavery is beneficial to a lot of people for a lot of reasons, right?
	It's not just beneficial to the masters.
	It's also beneficial to people who become slaves because they don't die.
	It's surely better to work a field and give a portion of that produce to the person who is your master than be murdered brutally in front of your whole family.
	I mean, at least at the end of the day, you get to live with your family in a hole.
	Please tell me how this gets to raping a six-year-old girl.
	Well, before that.
	But including that, how do we say that Muhammad was not a terrible person?
	Before that, Dark Ages Arabia was a lot worse.
	Muhammad was a reformer and an innovator, and he did a lot of it with Christian Apocrypha, incidentally.
	So before Muhammad, Dark Ages Arabia was way worse than after Muhammad.
	But don't get me wrong, compared to, say, modern day cultures, it's very, very bad.
	But the point is, it's anachronistic to use our morality to project it back because up until then, it was so much worse.
	And I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	I think it's important to compare the historical context.
	For example, if you want to talk about Islam in a historical context, well, also, there was a historical context with Jesus that wasn't particularly friendly to revolutionaries like Jesus.
	So I think it's only fair to compare their holiest of prophets with Jesus to Muhammad.
	And I don't think there's any way at any point to justify taking in a six-year-old, at best, consummating when she was nine.
	And again, Muhammad started off.
	That's because in modern parlance, that no, back then it was not okay.
	It was still messed up back then.
	It's not even the same league as, you know, Mary might have been 14.
	It wasn't considered wrong.
	Yes, it was.
	A six-year-old girl was considered really, really messed up.
	It was completely normal.
	Honestly, it was completely normal.
	No, they consummated the marriage at nine because that's when she had her first period.
	That was completely normal.
	It was just the standard of the times.
	I think don't get me wrong.
	Six is not where you have your first period.
	It's a stretch to say nine.
	No, no, no.
	I didn't say that.
	He was betrothed to her at six, and she had her first period at nine, which is when he consummated the marriage.
	Depending on who you ask, as well, that's not even settled.
	Yeah, but assuming that that is the correct story, I think it's the predominant narrative surrounding it.
	But now, and don't get me wrong, I'm not supporting this in any way.
	I think it's awful.
	But to say that it's wrong compared to what came before it because of things that came after it, like moral innovations that came after it is not entirely fair.
	I mean, again, you're triggering me.
	You're triggering me.
	Like it.
	No, I'm kidding.
	I like getting people to.
	No, no, no, no.
	But hey, listen, you know, I'm in a rationalized position.
	Let me give you, because you said, you know, it was great and it was peaceful until the last couple hundred years.
	No.
	No, no, no.
	I didn't say that.
	I didn't say that.
	I said it has become a lot more retrograde than it was.
	I'm not saying it's ever been necessarily great and peaceful.
	I mean, there have been times when it has been great and peaceful.
	Yeah.
	But it's, it's, you know, you can't, you can't sweep a thousand years of history with such a broad brush.
	I think Muhammad is such a terrible jumping off point that it makes perfect sense that Christianity, when you were known, if you were a Christian, you were killed and there were no known oppressors to Islam because nobody gave a rat's ass.
	Nobody cared if you were a Muslim.
	It wasn't consequential.
	Muhammad was inconsequential compared to Christ as a historical figure seen as a political threat, right?
	I'm not talking about whether you believe in them as deities or prophets.
	Yet Islam was spread through the sword initially.
	Christianity, word of mouth, even though first martyr, Stephen, killed for being a Christian, Muhammad, oh, you're Muslim?
	I don't give a rat's ass.
	We're going to kill you anyway.
	That's how it spread began.
	There might have been a peaceful couple of centuries there, but the jumping off point of Muhammad and the initial spread of Islam is so starkly contrasted with Christianity.
	I can't go with you there.
	I can't.
	No, no, I don't think you understand quite how it actually happened.
	You're right.
	The early Christians were persecuted, but they weren't persecuted by Muslims.
	No, I didn't.
	I'm not saying they're persecuting, but I'm saying they were persecuted for being Christians.
	My point is, Muslims were never persecuted.
	They weren't persecuted, not never.
	They weren't persecuted in that initial phase for being Muslim, yet it was still spread violence.
	They absolutely were.
	This is why, listen, right?
	This is why Muhammad had to leave Mecca and go to Medina.
	He absolutely was persecuted with the initial handful of Muslim converts that he had by the pagans in Mecca.
	They absolutely were.
	He went to Medina.
	And if you, you, you can look through the Quran and see like the progression of the aggressiveness of the verses.
	I mean, that is true.
	Muhammad devolves into a very aggressive warlord.
	He does so as he gains power.
	You know, it's very obvious that as he's gaining power, he becomes more belligerent himself.
	His, you know, the verses he dictates become more belligerent.
	But initially, the Muslims are persecuted by the Meccans and they're forced to flee from the master.
	Can you recognize the difference between that?
	As he gains power, he becomes, you know, I'm trying to think of, I'm trying to think you're a gamer.
	I'm going to go with Star Wars Roberts.
	Can you see us?
	Whereas, just as historical context, again, not talking about whether you believe in any God, as Christ gained political power and influence and intimidated people, became more peaceful, and Muhammad became more violent.
	Jared, what are you trying to jump in with?
	Oh, sorry.
	I just want to help you out.
	You were looking for Emperor Palpatine.
	Emperor Palpatine.
	Bun dip.
	Bun dip would just be.
	My producer would be beside himself.
	I'm sorry.
	Okay.
	No, no, no.
	But okay, the thing is, it's a different scenario.
	The Christians, Christianity, is very much, very obviously a reaction to the Roman state.
	And this is the thing.
	The Jews had repeatedly rebelled against the great empires against the Middle East.
	All the way back from Sennacherib under the Assyrians, then the Egyptians, the Assyrians, they got good treatment under the Persians, but then came the Greeks.
	Then came the Romans.
	The Jews had repeatedly rebelled and they had been trashed repeatedly.
	And so Christianity is very evidently a reaction from the bottom, saying, Look, you can't render unto Caesar that which is Caesar, render unto God that which is God.
	You can't beat the Romans.
	You weren't going to beat, you didn't beat the Seleucids, you didn't beat the Assyrians, you didn't beat the Egyptians, you're not going to beat the Romans because ultimately, the Israelites weren't a powerful nation, they never were, really, under David, apparently.
	But that's dubiously always bitching about manna.
	Exactly, right?
	But this is the point.
	Christianity is very clearly a method of enduring occupation and enduring an oppressive regime.
	Whereas in Islam, it's a different story because in Arabia, you didn't have a great empire that dominated the Arabian Peninsula.
	What you had is a load of small, fractious, barbarian, warring tribes.
	They would only be able to put like 200 men in the field.
	They were very, very small, very, very small battles.
	The early Muslim battles were tiny, absolutely tiny.
	I mean, you piss them.
	Everyone else, the Romans were putting 100,000 men in the field.
	The Muslims were putting like, you know, 500 men in the field.
	And so it's very, very different.
	But what Muhammad basically did is achieve hegemony over these pagan tribes.
	You know, they were idol worshippers.
	They had persecuted the Muslims.
	And it's not all that surprising that Muhammad became imperious with them.
	Whereas with the Christians, there was no option to do that.
	They were never going to overthrow the Roman Empire.
	What they did is subvert it from within.
	And this was a lot of the time aided by the martyrs.
	I mean, do you know why these Christians were made into martyrs?
	Yeah, because they had names like Stephen and they spelled them the crappy way.
	That's not really the reason, though.
	No, it's not really the reason.
	Minds of V, minds of V.
	The point is, they were defying the Roman emperors.
	They were defying the Roman state.
	They were defying Roman laws.
	Well, yeah, that's the thing.
	Jesus is not only, even if you don't acknowledge him as any kind of supernatural figure, there's a historical exactly.
	I'm more than happy to, you know, just talk about him as historical figures.
	But we are going into three hours.
	We can stop any time you want.
	I'm saying is what I'm saying is, I can understand the bias against Islam from a Christian.
	You know, God, God knows the Muslims aren't innocent of starting wars with Christians.
	And that's what I tell you, Obama's comments about the Crusades fucked me off.
	You know, and again, not Christian, but to say, oh, the Christians did the Crusades, that's so awful.
	No, they're defensive wars, you cock.
	Defensive wars.
	Seriously.
	Yeah, retaliatory action to encroachment.
	I mean, it's the same thing when people talk, when people say, you know, by the way, I'm not excusing this, but when they say the Americans, they scalped Native Americans.
	Do you know where we learned it?
	Yeah.
	That's where we learned it.
	They're going, holy crap.
	These people are scalping our women.
	I guess it better send them out.
	How do they do this?
	What are they cutting?
	Do we have a chart?
	Do we cut along the lines here?
	Do we have any kind of a guide on how to do what these barbaric tribes are doing to each other?
	So it just completely, that's where the context matters.
	I'm not saying scalping is okay.
	Hold your hate, mail.
	But this is the point.
	The context matters.
	So you can say, oh, the Christians were persecuted, but they knew what they were doing was transgressive to the Roman state.
	And they were doing it deliberately.
	They knew they were going to be martyred by doing what they were doing.
	And they deliberately did it.
	They were effectively spitting in the emperor's face.
	And they knew that they were doing it.
	And they knew what was coming.
	They did it on purpose, which is why they're martyrs.
	But the only Muslims, again, you can't just say that they're evil.
	I didn't say that I didn't say that Okay, okay.
	But you know what I mean?
	You've got a very negative view of Muhammad.
	And compared to where he came from, he was a very forward-thinking guy.
	Compared to where he came from, he was because the Muslims were the Arabs, pre-Muslim Arabs, were a barbarous bunch.
	There's no getting around it.
	And you won't find a historian that's like, well, actually, they were really enlightened.
	They weren't.
	You know, they absolutely weren't.
	They were very, very backwards.
	And this was because they weren't part of great empires.
	They weren't really part of civilization.
	Everyone else thought of them as massively barbarous.
	You know, everyone else, you had like the Persian Empire and the Roman Empire, and then the Arabs at the bottom.
	And everyone's like, you know, they're okay as mercenaries.
	Not the Arabs.
	They don't say that.
	They claim they invented the modern numerical system.
	That's what they thought.
	And so, yeah, Muhammad, right?
	That's not the Greeks.
	No, no, say it again.
	You've heard the argument that Muslims like, we created the modern numerical system and it's not the Greeks.
	That's the kind of propaganda they push.
	Yeah, there's a lot of nonsense when it comes to sort of understand.
	Being from Quebec, you know, we had to deal with the, they would come in and try and convert our classes like during MRE classes, whereas the Christians were doing the same form.
	Yeah, yeah, we had a guy come in and talk about it.
	He's like, I remember he goes, I was telling Jared these stories about high school.
	So it was MRE moral religious education.
	And they come in and they're telling, they're supposed to be telling you about the religion.
	The Muslims came in and tried to convert us.
	And they were telling me, like, do you know that in the Quran, they actually predicted scientifically exactly what a fetus looks like before we had any way of knowing.
	I'm like, well, hold on a second.
	Any time in war where a pregnant woman was killed, they would have had some way of, so I didn't agree with that.
	I'm like, okay, let me hear this.
	And they were like, they referred to something where it talked about a fetus as like chewed up bubblegum, like the chewed up sap of a tree, like saying this in the stomach.
	And they were like, see, if you look at this picture of a fetus, it just looks like chewed up bubble.
	I was like, this is just such BS.
	And I remember asking them, they were like, giving us this whole spiel on science and Islam.
	And I just raised my hand and said, yeah, what about jihad?
	And they thought they were going to have it.
	Well, jihad is, I go, yeah, you know, jihad, again, it's about struggle and there are two different meanings.
	But what about the people who are blowing people up in record numbers who carry out virtually all global terrorism?
	They do so in the name of jihad.
	How do so many people get it wrong?
	And they honestly, and I was kicked out of class for being disrespectful.
	Yeah, but I know.
	I'm not telling you this so we can get into an engagement about jihad.
	But I'm just telling you, I've dealt with it my whole life.
	I've read the Quran.
	I haven't read the Hadith in its entirety, but I have read the Quran.
	It's a very difficult fiction to read.
	It is.
	I hated it.
	I hate it.
	It's not chronological.
	It doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
	I actually really enjoyed reading the Old Testament.
	The Old Testament was thrilling.
	You know, the wizard battle between Moses and Pharaoh.
	Jesus Christ.
	I was like, what the fuck is this?
	Yeah.
	It was incredible.
	New Testament, you know, you read, I mean, yeah, well, you read one gospel, you kind of read them all.
	You read them all.
	Uh, I mean, you know, one is more so focused on the action, one's more so focused on the language.
	But uh, yeah, and that, but if you just take one gospel and then kind of go through in Revelation, it's pretty interesting.
	Um, but yeah, I agree.
	That I mean, my favorite story from biblically is the story of David, and I think that's a perfect example of just such an imperfect person, whether you believe in God or not.
	Such an imperfect person, though, who was used to do such great good.
	I think you can't write a more complex protagonist in a film now than the story of David.
	I mean, you're talking about a guy where the ultimate good guy, God, even if you don't believe in God, in the story says, This is a man after my own heart.
	This is a guy who committed, you know, who philandered.
	This is a guy who murdered.
	This is a guy who got drunk.
	This is a guy who did a lot of really bad stuff, but was an incredible leader and really stepped up to the plate.
	I think that's actually a great sort of archetype for masculine for masculinity and our flaws, but something to aspire to in spite of our flaws.
	I'm sure feminists read it and see it as a horror story.
	Toxic masculinity.
	David, how dare he, David?
	I think I've got a favorite story from the Bible as well.
	But mine's because I'm an atheist and oh, I guess it's going to be about slavery or something where you're going to try and.
	No, it's not.
	It's not.
	It's not even a moralistic one, but it's one of those ones where I just think Occam's razor.
	Basically, the Sennacherib's siege of Jerusalem, where he, him and Hezekiah, Hezekiah decides, you know what?
	I'm a vassal of the Assyrian Empire.
	I've decided I'm not going to pay my tribute.
	And, you know, if you know anything about the Assyrian Empire, you've got to wonder why he would think that.
	Because they, I mean, they were, they were the worst people in history up until that point.
	They would butcher.
	Up until the Arabs, because he kind of just threw them under the bus for a while.
	No, no, no.
	The Arabs were barbaric, but they didn't have the means that the Assyrians had.
	I mean, they probably would have been about as bad as the Assyrians, but the Assyrians had a vast empire, hundreds of thousands of soldiers, you know, great wealth, and they could an amazing war machine and they would just find a city.
	And if this city was like, we're actually not going to let you in today, they'd be like, right, okay, well, what we're going to do is knock down your walls, come in, kill everyone, rebuild your walls using your blood as mortar.
	And, you know, then the king is going to get this carved into great renewable resources before.
	Basically, the king's going to get this carved into great fucking stone bus reliefs, and then he's going to have it in his palace so that next time the diplomats come, they're going to see you getting fucked up in his palace while waiting to see him.
	And then he's going to come out with your fucking skull on a fucking chain around his neck.
	And so for some reason, Hezekiah was like, you know, I don't think I want to pay my tribute to that guy.
	And Sennacherib was like, okay, well, and so he marched down to Jerusalem.
	And if you look at the biblical story, the biblical story says, oh, an angel of the Lord came down and killed 180,000 Assyrian soldiers.
	If you look at Sennacherib's records, it says that Hezekiah paid his tribute.
	So I'm just like, well, which one do I believe?
	Right?
	That is very interesting.
	Yeah.
	So just, you know, just as like an atheist who likes to look at the Bible literally.
	If I were an atheist, I would point to Samson.
	I've always thought that because I'm like, Samson, like, how stupid are you?
	Or it's like, how would you lose your strength, Samson?
	I tell you, if someone tied me with ropes of whatever it is, three twine, my strength would be gone.
	And he wakes up without the next morning.
	He doesn't make the connection that Delilah is doing this.
	It's like no one else could possibly know these instructions.
	I thought it was coming.
	Yeah, but he gives her like three false examples before.
	What if I'm tied by ropes?
	What was another one?
	Something like it's been a long time.
	Do you know what, Jerry?
	But there's like three other examples, but are like very clearly like he has to know she's the one telling on it.
	Ah, these ropes.
	I wonder how they figured that one out, you filthy bruh.
	Instead, he's like, yeah, exactly.
	And then he ultimately still is like, well, I guess, well, she won't stop bothering me.
	And that's a perfect example, actually, of feminism.
	She was a feminist who was like, well, if she won't stop bothering me, I'm the strongest man who will ever live.
	But I guess I'll give that up to get her to shut up and stop nagging me.
	You just cut my hair off.
	Just cut my hair off.
	And then he gets killed.
	Anyway, we should probably wrap up.
	Yes, we should probably wrap up on that note.
	Since we've offended, we've now used the Bible to offend feminists.
	Is there anyone we haven't offended?
	Because maybe we could just round it up just in case.
	Gosh, I'm trying to think.
	Sequential hermaphrodites.
	The point that I made about transracial people, where I actually, I think it's entirely reasonable if we're going to.
	That's more reasonable than transgender.
	That's going to go down well.
	Yes, exactly.
	Honestly, like we wrote about this at lotearthcrowder.com, and then we'll leave on this.
	People are like, well, transgender is perfectly fine.
	And if you say anything against it, you're bigoted, right?
	But, you know, sociology supersedes biology is what they put.
	Fine.
	Okay.
	But they go, well, trans race.
	No, it's not acceptable.
	I'm going, okay, hold on a second.
	Let me think about it.
	Let's use Caitlin Jenner as an example.
	If Caitlin Jenner wants to become a woman, severe hormone replacement therapy, amputate penis and testicles, tuck some of it in to create a fake labia.
	You have to reopen that fake vagina as a wound because the male body naturally tries to close it, right?
	And then go through all the psychiatric counseling, learn, you know, like Dustin Hoffman and Tootsie, learn the lisp, okay?
	And at the end of the day, most of them still very much look like a man in a dress.
	Rachel Dolzal slapped on a spray tan and a perm and fooled the NAACP for years.
	You tell me what is more feasible, what is more reasonable to do.
	And I feel like I'm making crazy pills because I'm the only person who's maintained this position.
	Well, I'm going to distance myself from your position.
	Seriously, though, think about it.
	Most of the differences, and this is me being anti-racist.
	Most of the differences between, I mean, most racial differences are a product of society.
	You know what I mean?
	A part of your social upbringing.
	Cultural.
	Yeah, cultural.
	Absolutely.
	The color of your skin isn't a societal construct.
	But when people say he's not black enough, you know, or he's acting super white.
	Yes.
	Much more so than your sex or gender.
	I actually completely agree with that.
	I've met black guys who they're not black, they don't act black, but they're certainly very different to women.
	So I agree.
	I think the difference between gender is a lot bigger than the difference between race.
	I mean, I've met people of all sorts of races, but the women are always women and the men are always men.
	And it's always the same dynamic between the genders.
	If a transgender man went into, I'm trying to think of what the biggest feminist organization is.
	What's a big feminist organization?
	Oh, fuck.
	You know, that's an interesting question because they don't really have proper organizations like that.
	They just cackle on street corners.
	I mean, that's one of the things that some of the big feminists, like some of the books I've been reading, they actually complain that they don't have like feminist TV stations and stuff.
	But it's like, yeah, but that's because you fuckers are lazy.
	It's called lifetime.
	You're on Twitter and you bitch, and that's all you do.
	You know, you don't do anything.
	Oh, you get a little sign and go, oh, stop rape culture now.
	And then you go home.
	You don't build anything.
	You're lazy.
	They don't have any organization.
	Anyways, my point is, if I were to go into, I don't know, if I were to go into right, yes, okay, Planned Parenthood or some women's thing, right?
	If I were to go to become a transsexual over the next couple of months and go in and say I'm applying for a job that's generally held for females, right?
	Guarantee you, they're going to have a meeting.
	There's going to be a get-together.
	Rachel Dozal, no one even questioned it with the sideshow Bob.
	There's a schism in feminism.
	They've got these things called TERFs, which is trans-exclusionary radical feminists.
	And they are the ones that they are very much the outcasts of the mainstream feminism community.
	Lier Keith.
	Yeah, if a man becomes a woman, then as far as feminism, the mainstream feminism goes, they're female.
	There's no question of it.
	And vice versa with a woman becoming a man.
	And if you're not, you become a TERF, a trans-exclusionary radical feminist, and you are, you're considered quite the outcast in that situation.
	Yeah, Lier Keith, we had her on.
	She's like a neo-veen.
	She used to be a vegan, and now she's an advocate for meat.
	And so we agreed on eat more meat.
	It's great.
	Well, no, she's an advocate for like a diet that includes meat because she had health problems as a vegan.
	Fascinating interview, but she also is a feminist.
	And we had it in the show.
	We didn't discuss feminism, but she thinks that it's absurd for someone to benefit from patriarchy their entire life, swap out their penis, and then get to benefit from being a protected class.
	So I can understand that, though.
	It doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
	That's the thing.
	It's more about the categorization that the issue is.
	Because if you say, look, transgender men who become women aren't proper women, then the principles of categorization that they do, they break down everything into categories and say, right, all of these categories are equal, even though they're obviously not.
	Some things are better or worse than other things.
	But if they don't follow through with that, then it undermines the whole system of what they're doing.
	So, you know, by saying that I'm a woman now, then boom, you're categorized as a woman.
	Otherwise, it undermines the whole system.
	So they have to take you as a woman because otherwise the whole worldview sort of starts to crumble.
	I'm going to be honest, I didn't pay attention to that last part because I got a text and I was thinking about ice cream.
	It's fine.
	Don't worry about it.
	I'm not even going to lie to you.
	I'm not going to lie or respond because I, for some reason.
	I like that you can feel to be that honest.
	For some reason, all of a sudden I was thinking about ice cream.
	Okay.
	Sorry, Sargon.
	Yes, pretty much.
	Just file that under crazy feminist BS.
	We'll get this to you.
	Sorry, Jared.
	You have your editing work cut out for you.
	Sorry, Jared.
	Do you have anything to say about this, Jared?
	Any complaints?
	No, you know.
	Shut the hell off.
	I'm shutting your mic off.
	Sargon, have a good one, brother.
	I don't have a complaints department.
	My complaints department is my middle finger.
	All right.
	Thanks, man.
	We'll get this to you soon.
	And for those of you watching on his channel, you can go see more at my channel onlottoithcrowder.com.
	And we'll have to have you back, brother.
	Yeah, there will definitely be a link in the description.
	Honestly, I recommend it.
	I've had a blast, man.
	It's been a real pleasure.
	Oh, I appreciate it, man.
	Take care.
	You too, man.
	Take care.
	From Steven Crowder, and I've taken over Sargon's channel.
	He gave me his password and everything.
	It has to do with three-legged kittens.
	But the good news is there's a 30-minute additional interview that aired terrestrially on my radio show and podcast over at my channel, Stephen Crowder.
	So you can go there and also hear my interviews with Milo Yiannopoulos and Superman Dean Kane.
	Or you don't have to watch that.
	You can just go and see the Sargon video and leave.
	You can do whatever you want.
	I'm not forcing it on you.
	It's your decision to make because I believe in freedom.
	But don't be stupid.

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