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Nov. 6, 2014 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin

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	Well, holy shit.
	How's it going, everyone?
	There does appear to have been some drama, doesn't there?
	Tea is definitely cultural appropriation.
	So let's appropriate some culture.
	How are you all doing?
	I'll wait for the chat to catch up.
	But so, yeah, with this thing, right?
	I can completely understand why this has happened.
	Paul and Roguestar and other people, lots of other people, in fact, are being attacked by other people in Gamergate.
	I'm actually not, but, you know, I don't know why, but I'm not.
	But, you know, everyone else is being attacked for just being the people that they are.
	Because I think there is a natural inclination to treat people as leaders when they have a loud voice.
	So it's just it's understandable, but it's something that we really don't need to be doing.
	I personally don't consider myself any kind of leader.
	I'm just someone with a YouTube channel.
	So, you know, it's not that.
	Gamergate is enormous.
	Do you guys know that?
	I mean, the Gamergate videos that I do, that are the most popular ones, get about 70 or 80,000 views.
	And it's one of those things that's just like, I mean, that is, in my opinion, probably roughly the sort of number that Gamergate has.
	Because I don't imagine there are too many people from the other side of the fence watching my videos.
	So, you know.
	But yeah, that list, it was Anit Sarkeesian's backers for Kickstarter.
	so don't worry about that um so yeah basically pole and roguestar and all these other guys that they've i don't know how long they've been in the public eye for um And I'm not surprised that they're really having a hard time because they are getting a lot of shit from a very small number of people.
	So it really is the sort of thing we think, okay, how fair is that, really?
	You know, and Paul, I like Paul, you know, I like Rogue Star.
	I like all of these guys because they all seem like pretty decent people, but you've got to remember they're not public figures.
	You know, that's the difference.
	I've been doing my YouTube channel for a year now, so I'm kind of used to being, you know, the not the target, but I'm kind of used to the way people respond to you.
	Paul's been attacked a lot, and he hasn't really done anything wrong.
	And he doesn't deserve it.
	You know, it's, he really doesn't deserve it.
	Now, I don't really know.
	See, it's this sort of thing.
	King of Paul is crazy fucking retarded and he believes anything.
	And it's like, maybe, maybe he does.
	Maybe he does.
	What do you want to do?
	Do you want to drive him out of Gamergate?
	Or do you want to just, you know, accept, okay, maybe Paul, you know, he goes a bit too red pill sometimes.
	But, you know, what are you going to do?
	It's what he's like.
	It's fine, you know?
	So it's, you know, we don't need to.
	I really don't think we need to be going after members of Gamergate.
	No matter how loud their voice are, no, how quiet their voice is.
	You know, guys, we're the ones fighting for the same cause.
	You know, we've got the same objective in mind.
	There's really no one that we need to go after on the Gamergate side because the opponents of Gamergate are so much more worrying for us, or they should be anyway.
	You know?
	Yeah, Mass Chief.
	Yeah, his Holocaust shit was over the line.
	Fine, then block him and don't watch his streams and move on.
	That's that's all that you need to do.
	You know, Paul isn't the boss of Gamergate or anything.
	So, yeah, you know, I have no idea.
	Um, but yeah, I'm happy to give my opinion on this, though.
	Um, I was approached by a couple of people from a couple of different Skype groups, as far as I'm aware.
	They might have been the same, I don't know, asking me if I wanted to join a Skype group.
	And I'm really not interested in joining these Skype groups because I'm just concerned that that's the way the game journals work.
	You know, that's not necessarily which I want, that's not how I particularly want to operate.
	Um, and I generally do everything like this on the open, you know, I don't care if my opponents can see it because ultimately I'm pretty sure that they know they're in the wrong and they know that we're in the right.
	So now, I saw Mundane Matt on there, and I like mundane Matt.
	I talk to him occasionally on Skype, and he's a really nice dude.
	You know, he's quite a sensitive soul, to be honest, but he's also a media guy, and so he's very concerned about contacts.
	So, just because he was in there, I don't know what he said in there or anything like that, but I'm personally not going to assume that because he was in there, he has done anything wrong or anything like that.
	You know, Matt is an information guy, he's he's the guy I go to for breaking news, you know, he's on top of things, so it's uh you know, it's it's it's one of those things that I'm not actually that surprised about, and I don't, I don't, I don't, I can't remember exactly what was said in these in this Skype group anyway.
	I kind of came in halfway through and shit was going down, so I was just like, okay, I'll just um, I'll just listen as much as possible.
	Um, but the thing is, right, you you guys like railing, going on at Paul and all the rest of it, it doesn't stop them from being what you're accusing them of, it just makes it worse, it makes them feel even more attacked, it makes them feel you know, even more alienated by the people who they thought were on this, were on their side who were supporting them.
	You know, that's it, that's not how I would do things.
	I certainly wouldn't go after these people myself.
	At worst, I'd be like, Can we have, can I DM you?
	You know, can I have a chat with you and just talk to them about it?
	Because there's no, there's no need to go after like a bloody wolf pack.
	And I'll tell you what, when you get a lot of people coming at you all at once about the same subject, it does get stressful, you know, it really does.
	And you don't really understand what it's like until it happens to you, I think, you know.
	Um, so I'm just just uh just putting that out there, just trying to let everyone know that remember who we're dealing with.
	You know, Paul isn't like you know, he's not a politician, he's not paid to deal with this sort of shit, and he's just a guy, you know, he's just a guy like you, and he's a guy who runs a YouTube channel.
	I like him, you know, I like pretty much everyone in Game Gate, actually.
	And I think everyone's quite quick to there's there's this, it's an interesting thing that I think when you feel betrayed by people who you trusted, you can't really hate something unless you loved it first, isn't it, right?
	You know, and it's um I think that's why, frankly, this game journal pros thing has been such an issue.
	I'll get I'll get people into the stream in a bit.
	I just want to talk to you guys for a while first.
	Um, And that's that's the thing because Paul loves doing his streams with his audience.
	You can tell.
	You can absolutely tell when he's doing it and they've got some stupid goddamn thing and he's going through it.
	Everyone, it's a fucking great laugh.
	You know, it's a fucking great laugh.
	And so for everyone to be coming at him or for a large portion of people to be coming at him, it's just or perception, what he perceives to be a large portion.
	It's tough, you know, especially the same with Rogue.
	Rogue has done nothing wrong that I've seen.
	I mean, he's, you know, okay, he's a bit militaristic in his rhetoric, which I do agree needs to be turned down.
	But that doesn't mean that he needs to be, you know, gone after and ostracized or anything like that.
	That's all these fucking people don't do.
	Or do, sorry.
	In fact, they don't really, do they?
	They should be doing it, but we don't need to be doing it.
	And so I just we can all, yeah, just calm down.
	If you don't like someone in Gamergate, then just don't pay attention to them.
	You know, that's my opinion.
	I think that I don't think that Paul's too simple.
	I think he's wound up.
	That's the thing.
	You know, I mean, I'm just as guilty.
	When I was in Internet Aristocrat stream the other day, I was deliberately winding him up about the Holocaust.
	Because the thing is, he's right.
	The numbers probably have been inflated and he did have points, but you know, he was sticking to them too stringently.
	And I was deliberately pushing that.
	It was all my fault.
	I know I was being a dick.
	I didn't think it'd blow up in everyone's faces.
	So, yeah, exactly.
	King of Paul's streams are fun.
	He makes me have a giggle.
	That's exactly the way I look at it.
	Because remember, we've got to remember, guys, we're the side with a sense of humor here.
	You know, these anti-Gamergate people, they're the people who suck the fun out of everything.
	So, and the thing is, I know that this is all very personal to a lot of people.
	You know, a lot of people care about Gamergate a lot.
	And, you know, I'm pretty sure you can tell I'm one of them.
	So, and I've been asked a lot, am I leaving GamingGate?
	No, I'm not leaving Gamergate.
	Again, I don't honestly, I'm at the point where I'm thinking, right, okay, is it not clear that Gamergate is the different, is a separate culture to these social justice warriors?
	You know?
	So, yeah, and he was, yeah, like you guys say, he was also drunk in that stream.
	So, it's just, it's a joke, you know.
	Exactly.
	I really wouldn't get too stressed out about it.
	i'm just going to check my skype for a minute because i think some people want to come on the the main thing that i want to um stress to people though is that this this is not the the be all and end all of anything um It's more poop, like people say, you know, it's just more poop.
	Just the important thing, and you've all got to do it, is fucking email those advertisers.
	You know, send them polite emails.
	Don't even mention Gamergate.
	Just say, look, right?
	I'm not happy with this.
	These people have attacked their audience.
	I'm registering a complaint.
	And all you need to do is just send one a day to a different advertiser.
	It's really not that hard.
	And then they're going to see that inboxes.
	I've worked in places, I've worked as like, you know, email support.
	And one of the things that really pisses you off is I used to work for a company called Medeon.
	And one of the things that always pissed us off is when we made, well, the company made PCs and they'd sell them in places like fucking Asda and Toys R Us of all the fucking places.
	You know what I mean?
	And one of the things that pisses us off the most is when they started selling a new product that was shit.
	And all of the products were shit because they're just cheap as shit.
	Know they the graphics cards didn't have they'd have heatsinks, but no fans on, you know, so it gave them an operational lifespan of about six months, if that, you know, well, well within the warranty, so it was constantly biting us on the ass, but I don't know, they're a cheap ass company.
	But one of the things that was the worst was when you'd have a day where it was a release and it was just botched.
	You know, there'd be discs missing from the boxes of PCs or something stupid like that.
	And you'd end up with thousands of fucking emails of people just, I am so angry about all this.
	And that sort of thing really shits up the bosses.
	You know, really, really shits up the bosses.
	And so that's what we need to keep doing.
	You know, seriously, if you know, a thousand emails a day to, you know, whoever advertises on Gorka, that's going to get their attention.
	That's really going to get their attention.
	And frankly, guys, I think that if we bring Gorka down, that's probably doing a service to Western civilization as a whole.
	So, yeah, let's stay focused.
	I'm going to get some people on now so we can talk to people and find out just kind of what's really happened.
	I'm just going to send those things across now.
	the fake harassment I really hope it was Anita Sarkeesian It's going to be like the fall of fucking Sauron if it's her.
	And I'm just getting taxi logic.
	I'm going to get people one at a time.
	There's no hurry.
	we'll go for everyone well i really think that what we should do is talk to the people first I don't think that we need to summarily execute anyone.
	So, you know, because the thing is, I mean, I don't actually sure what the actual issue was.
	I don't actually know what they've said.
	Yeah, I've seen those diagrams.
	reading through them before uh all this shit went on um okay I'm going to get a short time to tell everyone.
	In fact, right.
	I want to talk to you guys about Macintosh, actually, right?
	Just before going further than anything else.
	Do you know what's really interesting, right?
	Is that Macintosh?
	I think he's been led up the garden path somewhat.
	If you look at his old blogs on the Wayback Machine, Macintosh witnessed 9-11.
	And he used to be a conservative.
	Is that you, Short Fat Ataku?
	Hey, can you hear me?
	I can hear you.
	How's it going, man?
	Yeah, pretty good, man.
	How are you?
	Pretty good.
	This is the first time we've actually talked, isn't it?
	Yeah, it is.
	It is.
	I've heard your name in Whispered in Dark Corners.
	Yeah, I'm.
	Well, we're, there's three of us on the channel.
	We're all kind of a smaller part of Gamergate.
	We put out a couple of videos at the start of it, and they kind of gained traction.
	And then Phil Fish tried to sue us, so we had to take them down.
	What did you want to say to everyone?
	Yeah, I mean, I only caught the second half of King of Pool's stream, but that was some crazy shit, man.
	Like, I'm friendly, at least on Twitter, with everybody in Gamergate, right?
	I don't, I'm not involved in any kind of, like, I barely use Skype at all.
	I'm not involved in any kind of Skype calls.
	I just sort of chat with people on Twitter, and everyone seems really cool.
	So, this is actually kind of shocking that there's people being assholes behind the scenes, actually.
	Okay, yeah, again, I'm not part of the Sky group, so I don't know what's been going on either.
	Hey, how are you doing, Sargon?
	This is Logic.
	Hey, man.
	Taxi.
	Hey, I'm Taxi.
	Yeah, and I'm sure I think you've heard me through Nicholas.
	I talk to Nicholas Goroff all the time.
	He's helped me out in terms of balancing my mind about all this.
	Trust on the Not Your Shield side of things.
	I hear good things on him.
	So how you been?
	What movie would you like?
	Yeah, I'm really good.
	I'm just King of Paul's like, yeah, I sent everyone on the stream your way.
	I hear you're shitting on me.
	For fuck's sake.
	Yeah, I gotcha.
	But yeah, do you guys want to just quickly talk amongst yourselves a second?
	I'll be back in two seconds.
	Sorry about that.
	Oh, no problem.
	Hey, hello, man.
	I haven't spoken to you.
	How's that new video going to come out soon?
	Is that going to happen?
	Here's the thing about the new videos.
	Cameron Lady does most of the research, and she actually is mute.
	She can't speak.
	So I voice them for her.
	She's had the video researched and written, and I've voiced it now for two weeks, and she hasn't edited it to put it up.
	And I keep telling her, why isn't it coming out?
	And she's like, I'm just getting laid, man.
	I come home with a girl, and I'm like, okay.
	Hopefully one of these nights you'll be alone.
	Fuck.
	Yeah, I got you.
	I'm part of one of the people who've been trying to push Not Your Shield pretty well on that side of things.
	We've noticed that, yeah, I've noticed that a lot of people notice that while they're still intertwined, they do have different separate messages.
	So on Not Your Shield, I love the fact that you have all these different people, all these different types of personalities.
	You have people on the left and the right and in the middle in space all now working together and talking to each other to do something good, you know?
	And it goes to show you how there's just so many people who just want one thing, and that's just to make things better.
	And even if they're in these subgroups, even if they're MRAs, feminists, or whatever stupid shit you can come up with, it doesn't really matter in the end when everybody's doing, wants the same end goals.
	And that's what Not Your Shield is about.
	Not Your Shield is about unification, you know, of people who are logical and rational about approaching situations instead of my feels and everything else like that.
	Exactly.
	This isn't.
	SJ, I have done a lot of research.
	I've read everything that Sargon has put out on Diagra.
	I have done my own personal research, research on Marxism and all this other stuff like that.
	I've spent my couple of two months just reading all this insanity.
	And it's really a lot worse than a lot of people think it is.
	It's like a huge indoctrination process.
	And it's terrible.
	They're culture killers.
	And Not Your Shield is the answer.
	It's the antidote to fixing this problem.
	So it's important.
	If anything else, Not Your Shield is probably more important than Gamergate.
	Because there's a saying that I like to say all the time.
	If Gamergate didn't was to lose today and Not Your Shield was to win tomorrow, Gamergate would still win.
	Yeah.
	I mean, like, Gamergate is really, it's remarkably diverse.
	It's diverse than most movements generally are.
	Like, I know, for example, most people in Gamergate probably wouldn't call themselves a feminist.
	And I know that everyone's going to hate me for this, but I am.
	And yet, I'm still not an asshole, you know?
	I'm not like fucking, you know, my your rights and where my feels begin type of thing, right?
	Like, you're a feminist, then, to be honest, mate.
	I mean, like, I've taken the like some some women's studies courses at university, and you know, as long as you're not, like, at least in Canada, as long as you're not in Vancouver or Toronto, everybody's reasonable, and everybody's pretty chill.
	You know?
	Yeah, there's anyone who's even more, who's a great example of that?
	Look at TFYC.
	You have an MRA and a feminist who are coming together because they realize, holy shit, we want the same things for women and men.
	So, you know, we want more women in development.
	All right.
	We just want them to start coming out and being self-empowered.
	That's another thing that Not Your Shield is about.
	It's about self-empowerment.
	I'm tired of people pointing fingers at everybody else and telling them to fix their problems.
	That's not how the world works.
	And it's real sad when I see these SJWs and whatever stick to this victimization type stuff.
	Because they never grow as people.
	They don't know how to fail.
	They don't know how to even win.
	So they just stay stagnant in this mindset for the rest of their life.
	I would hate to see how these people are when they're 40 years old.
	You know what I mean?
	Effectively fighting against the idea of developing and growing as people.
	You know, they really seem to be against it.
	Yeah.
	I mean, like...
	You go ahead, Matt.
	What I was going to state is that, yeah, we have...
	The problem is that when it comes to logic and reason, it's being drowned out by a lot of the bullshit.
	Okay, it really is.
	Because there are smart people on all sides of the spectrum.
	But it's kind of like how I like to use the XOXOFAS, for example.
	Yeah, there was definitely a lot of Kool-Aid drinking there.
	But I guarantee you that there was definitely some people who just got invited.
	It's two or three people sitting in the back of the room looking like, oh my fucking God, what is this shit?
	You know what I mean?
	And that's the people Not Your Shield speaks out to.
	Because there's everyone.
	We need to develop a platform for the logic, reason, and objective to be able to speak their mind without having to be drowned out by insanity.
	And that's what NYS for me means in terms of the unity of people.
	We need that to start happening, especially when it's going against these social authoritarians, I like to call it.
	They're not even social justice people to me anymore.
	They want to push an agenda.
	They want to push their feels and everything else like that.
	That's all that matters to them.
	They don't think rationally or logically about anything.
	And it's absolutely infuriating to see it happen.
	To see people, for example, Ian, Arthur Chu, I disagree with everything that guy says.
	100%.
	But goddamn well, I'll fight for his right to say what he wants to say.
	I don't want to have anybody silence or anything.
	I don't want it to become an echo chamber or anything else, man.
	But people's opinions need to be, or well, people's opinions need to be said.
	That's how people grow.
	Like, for me, and I'm sorry if this is slightly inappropriate, Sargon, I apologize.
	But people call me the word nigger, okay?
	I don't feel any anger whatsoever.
	The reason why I don't feel anger is because words don't mean shit unless you give them a meaning, okay?
	Once you give them a meaning, once you tell that person I'm angry at you, you lose.
	You immediately lose.
	People could say, you people could say that name, whatever, hundreds of times.
	I don't give two shits.
	It doesn't matter.
	So I'm tired of when these people get, you know, getting negative tweets and claiming they have shit like PTSD.
	And it's absolutely perverting what PTSD actually is to a lot of vets as a military vet myself.
	It's disgusting.
	Stuff like, and I'm sorry for bringing this up too, Zoe Quinn's game, like Depression Quest.
	The people who I've been talking to in terms of, in terms of, you know, who actually suffer from clinical depression are absolutely appalled by that game.
	It doesn't represent depression whatsoever.
	It's self-defense.
	That game is bullshit.
	That game is complete bullshit.
	I got a psychologist right now who's going to be over, who I'm going to hopefully stream one day with, who's going to go through that game and call out why it's bullshit.
	So, yeah, right?
	Because it needs to be said.
	Status game is misrepresenting so many people.
	And it's making, they make light of everything.
	They take words like rape and twist it and bend it into something like all sexual intercourse is rape.
	Or they make some bullshit of figures of one out of five women in college get when it's a dark figure.
	It's almost impossible to get a proper statistic based on sample and population.
	Do you know?
	Actually, if I can jump in on that, I read an article that talked about the one in five statistic and just kind of broke it down how they came to that.
	And they're like, they made a bunch of different leaps and assumptions and like, oh, if we include people who were drunk but still consented, if we include like this and that and that.
	And she broke it down and she found out the actual statistic is one in 3,400 something of actual real rapes happening on campus.
	Yeah, it's I was having an argument on the Huffington Post women's Facebook group the other day.
	God knows why I follow it.
	But this woman was saying, oh, yeah, one in five.
	And she was saying how the world is more dangerous now than it ever has been.
	It's like, that's absurd.
	That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.
	If you just go to the Wikipedia page for like rape statistics, you can see the trend in the last hundred years.
	It's gone down by about five times.
	You know, it's five times lower now than it was 50 years ago.
	And it's just like, these people are crazy.
	But anyway, getting back to the drama, right?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I kind of got one on the chance.
	What do you guys think about what's happened here?
	Go ahead, you go first.
	Short fat of Taku.
	No, man, do it.
	I'm going to just click my thoughts just for a second.
	Okay.
	On the drama, it's simple.
	It's not important.
	It really isn't.
	And I've had people like Nicholas talk to me about this.
	The infighting thing, all that stuff, it's normal.
	It's absolutely normal.
	It's an all-consumer decentralized consumer revolt.
	It's going to happen.
	We have a whole bunch of different people with clashing personalities and views.
	Sure, they may be going after the big boss right now, but at the end of the day, they may not like each other.
	And that's fine.
	We're not an echo chamber, and that's a great thing.
	That's what diversity means.
	But at the end of the day, it's not important.
	All these people going on Twitter and having all these conversations.
	You know, I can I can right now tell you that most of that shilling stuff bullshit is coming from GNA GNAA people.
	Most of it's coming from the b um from Bill Wagner crew.
	All right, and they're just fucking around trying to piss people off.
	Eighty percent of it.
	They have said that in a conversation that none of the death threat, they haven't done anything illegal.
	None of the stuff they've done is illegal.
	They just like seeing people laugh and they get there and collect their laptops.
	All right, that's there it's that's why when people come on here and start drama and everything else, it's not important.
	All right, we should be focusing on emails.
	We should be focusing on the little little micro operations we have to spread the word.
	I'm all for Operation Firefly and getting the word out to Tumblr and everything else like that.
	Spread the word, can maintain focus, multitask, get that stuff, go after Gawker, do the digging on Digra.
	And oh my god, Dick, did you hear, oh, just information on that I want to give you Sargon, but that's later.
	And then a whole bunch of all that stuff, that is what's important.
	Weeding out this social justice shit, that is what's important.
	They're the big boss here.
	Weeding out the journalism.
	If you're more focused on the journalism side on the aspects.
	Not your shield and Gamergate means a lot of different things to people.
	But one thing it fucking isn't is you having a shit fest for people on Twitter.
	So when you start seeing that, oh, I'm a Gamergate representative and you're doing shit fest, flinging everything else like that, you might as well not put Gamergate in the fucking tag.
	Don't hashtag it, because there's nothing to do with any of this shit whatsoever.
	So if you want to have your personal little infights, go right ahead.
	But I'm tired of seeing it in the hashtag.
	There's no reason for it to be there.
	Okay.
	So, yeah.
	Okay.
	Do you mind if I ask you to leave?
	Not that I don't like having you in or anything.
	It's just I want to get other people in.
	I want to keep the number of people in the stream manageable.
	Oh, I got you, man.
	No problem.
	Thanks for coming on, man.
	And thanks for telling everyone what you think, you know, because I think it's important that these things are said.
	Yeah.
	Do you want to there's a guy by the name of Ashton?
	Do he wants to come in here?
	Is that fine?
	I'll tell him to contact me on Twitter.
	Okay, I got you.
	I got it.
	But take it easy, man.
	All right, no problem.
	Ataku, did you want to Yeah, if I can chime in a few things before I go, I guess.
	I didn't catch all of King of Paul's stream.
	Camerley just kind of woke me up and said, hey, something's going down, so I kind of got up.
	But so I don't know if this was said, but I'm not sure if people getting together on Skype is really such a big deal.
	Like, of course, people who meet up are going to hang out and talk about how they can cooperate, right?
	Like, I don't think, oh, shit, there's a big Skype group.
	This is suddenly our version of the Game Journal Pro thing.
	I don't think it's quite that bad.
	No, I don't.
	I don't.
	I don't agree with it, and it's not how I would personally operate.
	But these people don't work for rival newspapers that should be competing rather than cooperating.
	So, you know, it's a different context.
	Yeah.
	And one thing I do know, though, is one of the people that I think King of Paul called out was Queenie Martha.
	And she didn't, honestly, she didn't have anything to do with that stuff.
	She ran the Skype group.
	That's true.
	But she basically she had no real control over what was happening in there, and she didn't like it.
	And after Paul finally left, she kicked out that Synthovine guy who was causing a lot of it because she didn't like what was going on.
	But she just kind of got caught up in the middle of it, I think.
	Yeah, I don't know what's I don't know what's the deal with that s Synthovine guy is because I've I'm sure I've had a couple of conversations with him at some point and he seemed okay.
	You know, he seemed like he was doing proper research or something, but I have no idea.
	You know?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Oh, and I guess I might as well just drop this right now.
	And this will probably demoralize a few people, but it's the truth.
	Camera Lady, and me, but more Camera Lady.
	She is a part of GNAA.
	However, it's one of the troll groups that's currently harassing Gamergate.
	However, when GNNA started harassing Gamergate, she said that she didn't want to help them out.
	She just kind of idled in their IRC channel and stuff.
	Anyone who follows her knows she's a troll.
	She shitposts and she floods with Asian pictures and all this stuff.
	But when GNNA decided to start doing stuff for Gamergate, she's like, I'm just going to step out because I actually care about Gamergate.
	So that's pretty much the truth on that.
	Well, I would recommend that anyone who is implicated in this and thinks that they don't really want to be or they're being unfairly represented, I would probably make some sort of public statement pretty quickly.
	So yeah, that's just my advice for people who are concerned about what's going on.
	You can tweet me if you want, and I'll retweet it.
	I don't mind.
	All right.
	I mean, I have some stuff that's unrelated to the current topic of the current drama that's happening.
	But I can wait till later, man.
	I'll tell you what, man, I'm waiting for people to join because I've sent out the link a few times and no one's joined.
	So you may as well give it a shot, man.
	We'll get through it.
	I mean, some of the new info that we've dug up, and this is kind of still preliminary.
	There's only one person's word, basically.
	But did you know of Blistered Thumbs back in the day?
	A couple of years ago?
	No, I don't know what that is.
	You know of that guy with the glasses?
	No.
	No?
	They're the subgroup of these people who do internet reviews.
	Angry Video Game Neighbors associated with them for a while.
	Those guys.
	Right.
	And they got really big in 2009.
	And there's one person on there named the Nostalgia Chick.
	And she was actually pretty cool when she first joined up.
	But around 2011, she met Anita Sarkeesian, and they became friends.
	And then she went full SJW.
	People were doing the, and she wanted to get that stopped.
	People were making funny jokes that were kind of, you know, they were sexual jokes.
	And she says, no, no, that's oppressive.
	And she wanted to kind of get that off the site.
	But here's the interesting thing.
	That guy with the glasses started up Blistered Thumbs because they wanted to get into games journalism.
	And they had the video reviewers, but also the writers.
	They hired a writing staff and started doing articles and opinion pieces and all the stuff that we kind of see now from games journalists.
	And in their short time, they were around for like a year, not even that.
	But in their short time around, they found out, they noticed all this stuff that we're noticing now, like all the collusion and stuff.
	They noticed that, and they wanted to start exposing it.
	And then as soon as they started doing internal pushes for that, they got pushback from the SJWs on the site.
	And it ended up where that guy with the glasses ended up shutting down their own game news site because all their staff wanted to report on collusion.
	Right.
	How long ago was this guy?
	This was back in 2012.
	Two years before Gamergate even happened.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So, okay.
	So, like, this has been going on for a while at least, you know?
	Yeah, yeah, no, I totally understand that.
	I'm totally understanding.
	Again, the problem that I think we're having outside of Gamergate is this culture of collusion, which they all seem fine with.
	Did you see those pictures that were going around yesterday of, you know, like, what was it?
	Zoe Quinn, Nathan Grayson, all those.
	Just Phil Fish, Ramy Ismail, and some woman from CNN or something just all sat around at some sort of fucking, you know, pretentious cocktail party.
	And they're all like, they think that they're important people, and it's just like fucking hell.
	You know, they think they're like some sort of new verbal aristocracy.
	And then they're always complaining, oh, but we can barely pay our rent.
	That's because you're not very important and you think you are.
	But anyway, yeah, I'm just going to.
	Who else has just joined in?
	Whiskey, are you there?
	Yep.
	Hello, mate.
	Yeah, I had a lot of people saying that you wanted to come on.
	What did you want to say, mate?
	I just kind of wanted to go over this whole hilarious drama that's kicked off over the last few hours.
	And in response to that, to say it doesn't matter what drama is kicking off between who, or if there's an evil cabal on Skype, or if there's some collusion between shields and not shields.
	Just send fucking emails.
	Just send your emails, stay on message, stay on point.
	That's all you need to do.
	And all this stuff we're talking about now and all the fluff on the poll stream, it's just noise.
	It's just noise.
	Yeah, I mean, I understand why Paul's so wound up about it.
	You know, people have been going at him pretty hard.
	And, you know, I can't say that if people hadn't been coming at me in the same way, I wouldn't be the same thing.
	You know, I wouldn't be the same about it.
	So, you know, I think that I think everyone's got the.
	I'll tell you what, there's this terrible habit in Britain of people tearing down their icons, their idols.
	They love it.
	They love the fall from grace.
	And it's probably the worst aspect of the British character.
	It really is.
	It's one of the things about British people that I actually don't like.
	And there aren't many of these things.
	And that's something that they relish in.
	They absolutely relish it.
	Because I think it's down to quite egalitarian mindset.
	And if someone's going to raise themselves up, then they'd better be a fucking paragon of virtue because otherwise they don't deserve to be where they are.
	Or at least I think that's the thinking.
	And I think the same sort of mindset exists in Gamergate because it is a really egalitarian movement.
	So I think what's got to be remembered is that everyone in Gamergate, even if they're operating with other people, they are still individuals who are operating on their own.
	They don't have managers.
	They don't have producers or anything like that.
	So it's important to remember that when 50 people start tweeting, you're a dick at people, that's going to hit them quite hard, personally, quite hard as well.
	And so that's why Paul was getting so fucking upset, you know.
	So I think it's just important for everyone to remember that.
	Exactly.
	And I mean, like, with the streams that Whistle Grenade does, we get a fraction of the audience that Paul gets, which means we also get a very fraction of the abuse.
	And I can't imagine just the constant barrage of opinions on him, what he does, what he says, how he says it, all the time.
	I can understand how that's frustrating for him, definitely.
	I tell you what, I can tell you it's tough.
	I won't lie.
	If you say one thing out of place, you can get a lot of shit for it.
	Yeah.
	Oh yeah.
	Yeah.
	I mean, I'm going to take off Sargon soon because I know you want to keep this a bit more manageable.
	But I will say that.
	If Cerberus was here, it wouldn't be a problem, but it's just me.
	Yeah, like, I will say that we put up the second indefensible video that basically talked about Phil Fish kind of buying his awards.
	If you remember that one from back in the day?
	Yeah, I do.
	And then it was going strong for like two days.
	And then we actually did started getting legal messages from Phil Fish and his company.
	They legit wanted to sue us, so we had to take it down.
	And we did that so that we weren't going to go to jail.
	And we still got shit on by everybody.
	Everybody came after us for giving in or being shills or whatever.
	That's the internet.
	That's just how it is.
	Gentlemen.
	I think that is the problem.
	Thanks for coming on, Short Fatako.
	I appreciate it, man.
	Yeah, let's talk again sometime, man.
	This is a lot of fun.
	Yeah, we will do.
	We will do.
	See you there, man.
	Yeah, take it easy, guys.
	Right, so Synthavine, are you there?
	Yes, I am here.
	How you doing?
	I'm all right, man.
	Do you want to explain what's going on from your point of view?
	Yeah.
	Well, that's all right.
	You can finish.
	I don't know if you're going to say anything.
	I know people are apprehensive and stuff.
	I guess I'll just ramble a little bit.
	Unfortunately, I was not even around when King of Pole was doing his stream.
	I was at the doctor's.
	I had to get some blood work done, so I didn't get to see it live.
	I have to wait until the video can be seen or something like that or see exactly the logs that he was talking about.
	But I will say this.
	The login question, it has been talked about in public before.
	This was probably about a month and a half, maybe two months ago, where basically I approached him, and I have admitted this publicly on the stream.
	It was on a stream hosted by Deadwing Duck, and that's how I became friends with him.
	And we talked, and I've made a lot of friends through that connection and stuff.
	And we have our own Skype group, but we mostly just shitpost in bullshit.
	We play cards against humanity with each other.
	And we occasionally talk about Gamergate News when it comes to surface.
	And we have differing opinions.
	And that's actually one of the strengths of the group, is that we'll argue with each other on certain points and question the validity of certain things that come to surface and stuff.
	And that's why I really enjoy that group is because it's not just an echo chamber.
	It's not just a hugbox.
	People are willing to openly disagree with each other and things like that.
	But anyway, to the point that's brought up and stuff.
	And I did hear Short Fat Otaku say something that I was causing problems in another group, which I will address.
	But I was a part of that group that Queenie Martha started.
	And Secret Squaff was in there and Ira Brees.
	And the reason I mentioned those two people's names is because when I did the stream with Deadwing Duck, as far as that chat log is concerned, and I do have the unedited version of that saved, so when I do get to go through that, I still have that saved so I can see if anything was changed between then and now to cross-reference it.
	But I'm going to assume that it was the same thing.
	And I worded my message very, very poorly.
	I admitted this publicly and I said, you know what, I fucked up.
	I'm sorry.
	I owned up to it.
	I didn't deny it.
	I didn't try to turn away attention from myself.
	I said, yes, I said those words.
	Yes, I could have said those words better.
	Maybe I shouldn't have said anything at all.
	But I was open and public about it.
	And that's really all I can say about that.
	The thing that happened was I think King of Pole is just, he was on edge already because he was getting doxxed.
	And I think he kind of just the nature of coming from the slash poll board and being paranoid in general, he kind of ran with it.
	I tried to continue talking with him about it, but he just ran the fuck off and started going public and calling me a shill and a plant.
	And I know the doctors and everything.
	And it's like, I don't know these people.
	It's just shit that I've heard.
	And I want you to be aware of it because even though I don't like the way he conducts himself, I don't want to see that happen to people because it's fucking wrong.
	And I felt that if I could just give him a little bit of notice, then if anything did happen, he would be better prepared for it because I'd heard that people were going to be going after his job and shit like that, trying to get him fired and stuff.
	And even though I don't like the way the guy does his shit, I don't want to see people get fucked over in real life over this stuff.
	That's why I said it to him.
	And again, I admit that I worded it very poorly.
	What were you going to say?
	Sorry, Synth.
	Yeah.
	Listen, when I first found out about this conversation that you and Paul had, because me and you've shared streams before, we've spoken before.
	Yeah, watch you.
	The only question that I had about the whole deal, and I stayed out of it for a purpose, is if you were aware of people looking to get Paul in trouble in his real life job, why didn't you share those names with him?
	I did afterwards.
	The only reason I didn't at that time was because they weren't online and I wanted to wait until they were online to give it to him so they could talk to Paul directly.
	Right.
	Okay.
	That's what I want to know.
	And afterwards, even on after the Deadwing Duck stream, I went to Secret Squaff.
	We talked on Skype and I gave him that name.
	And I'm assuming that that name got sent to King of Pole anyway.
	So it's not like I've kept that private, you know, because of things.
	You know, I talked to the person who it was and I said, you know, I'm going to explain this a little bit just to try and clear the air a little bit.
	And they were fine with it.
	And I'm still on good terms with that person.
	So, you know, it is what it is, but as far as the allegation that I was causing problems within this Skype group in question, the only problem that I might have been, there was one time where I was drunk and I was talking to this person because if anybody is or isn't aware, if you go onto my Twitter and go to my pinned tweet,
	there's a link to the updated version of a Pastebin where the original version was posted on September 10th this year.
	I was involved with a group.
	We all agreed that we're going to make our names public where it's information regarding critical distance, Gama Sutra, Silverstring, and Digra that we went through a lot of information, kind of sifted through it, found out what was relevant to post in there.
	The original Pastebin has like 17,000 views.
	The updated one only has like 300, 400, something like that.
	But that's been pinned on my Twitter since like September 12th.
	And the only other problem that I might have caused in that group is kind of related to that because somebody got brought to our attention, the people whose names, their Twitter handles are listed at the top of that, as far as having information about schools in California that might be relevant, but it kind of got brushed off as conspiracy theory, really super, super tinfoil had he.
	And I kind of fucked up by bringing that person because I was drinking and I make very poor decisions when I drink.
	By bringing that person in question who had the conspiracy theories, I brought them into the Skype group in question.
	And I admitted probably about 20 minutes after I did that that that was a poor decision.
	And if you guys want to take him out, then that's fine.
	But they let him sit in there and stay for probably like a week or something like that.
	So I fucked up once.
	I owned up to it again.
	And I talked to the people.
	I talked to Queenie Martha.
	I talked to Secret Squaff.
	I talked to, there's this guy, Edward, that was in there that kind of took on hosting duties for the call.
	And I said, hey, if you guys want to take him out, then I don't fault you.
	I made a mistake.
	I shouldn't have brought him in.
	I didn't read the chat logs from the people I was working with as far as the Pastebin is concerned to verify the things that he was saying.
	I just thought that it was information that would be relevant to the conversation, but it was super conspiratorial.
	So it was my mistake.
	That would be that instance where I might have caused a little bit of disruption because people didn't really like him harping on about certain things.
	It was really Alex Jonesy kind of stuff.
	And there's very, very tenuous links to the points that he was trying to make.
	And, you know, the way that I go about things is like, you know, you have to be careful when approaching Minutia.
	But I believe if you have enough evidence and links between people, then that Minutia can sort of be verified as acceptable and worth looking into.
	You know, I'm the kind of person I'm anti-bullshit before I'm pro-anything, and I'm very scrutinizing of things and what's worth talking about and what's worth looking into more.
	But anyway, so that would be one instance of disruption that I caused.
	And then the second instance would be the conversation in question with King of Pole, which, again, the reason I brought up Secret Squaff and Arab Brees was because when I was on Deadwing Duck's stream, they were in the chat in the stream chat or whatever.
	And they took issue with what I said because, again, it was in public logs and I verified, yes, that is a conversation that was had.
	I did say these things.
	I did say them very poorly.
	And they were pissed off because it sounds like I'm saying that there is a shill or a plant in the group.
	And it's just, it's like, no, as far as I'm aware, there's no shills.
	There's no plants.
	King of Pole is saying that I'm a mod of Kotaku in Action.
	I've never claimed to be a mod of Kotaku in Action.
	The only thing I ever did was early on the Kotaku in Action streams with the Hat 2.
	Because the reason I got involved in Gamergate on Twitter is that I noticed all the censorship going on on Reddit.
	So I found out about the Kotaku in Action subreddit.
	So I went there, found out about the IRC.
	I think I was on the IRC like the second day that it was created when it was very small.
	There's only maybe like 15 or 20 people in there, and I've been in there ever since.
	So that's how I kind of got to know the hat too and how I went on to help him just sort of manage those streams.
	I never claimed to be a moderator of Kotaku in Action.
	I just helped him moderate those streams.
	And that point has been made clear by Hat himself.
	I'm trying to think what else.
	But yeah, Secret Squaff and Arab Reese were in there.
	And they took issue with what I said.
	And then King of Pole actually came into that stream as well.
	And he was like, no, no, no, don't listen to him.
	No pity parties, no pity parties, no pity parties.
	And I'm like, dude, I don't want a fucking pity party.
	I'm not going to get into a shit singing fest over fucking Twitter because that's the worst format you can possibly do it in.
	If you want to talk about this, we can talk about this.
	And I can try to explain what I was talking about.
	But no, he fucking runs off and goes fucking ape shit with the information and starts insinuating things, starts implicating people in shit that they're not involved in.
	And did not give people a chance to explain themselves or to try and rectify a situation because of his paranoia.
	Now, I hate saying these things about the guy because I don't want to create any more bad blood because it's not helpful to fucking anybody.
	But when you go off and do shit like that, when people are genuinely trying to help, I've been fucking involved with fucking doing this information research on fucking Digger since the beginning of September.
	And the reason I got involved in that is I sent out a tweet randomly on Twitter.
	I said, is anybody interested in building a timeline?
	And what that was in reference to was just simply building a timeline about internet aristocrats videos and trying to put all the information in order about the events that happened so it made more sense.
	Somebody thought that I was talking about something else.
	I got dragged into an information research group and I've been doing that ever since.
	I think it's fucking absurd that I've been doing this shit since the beginning of September and I would be implicated as a fucking shill.
	It's offensive to me because I've been doing my best to facilitate conversations between people that I think have benefit because I talk to a lot of people and I try to connect people when they want to help.
	They're kind of going down similar paths as something I see beneficial to the movement.
	Like I know Gwen Lilly Knight, she wanted to do something and people are saying she's a fucking shill now.
	But Gwen Lilly Knight wanted to do something and I was like, oh, I know a person that brought up something similar to that.
	I'm going to give you your Skype information so that you guys can talk about it.
	Maybe come to helping each other out or something like that.
	I was involved in the Gamergate Extra Life group.
	I did an overnight stream for 12 hours playing Amnesia at the Dark Descent Machine for Pigs.
	And then I was also in the chat helping to moderate with that for fucking charity and shit like that.
	Granted.
	This is Dante's getting to the minutia bit too much for me.
	Yeah.
	Sorry.
	I'm just ranting.
	Sorry.
	I wanted to let you talk and explain your position to everyone.
	So were you part of some group that was attacking Rogue then?
	Not that I'm aware of.
	Any issue that I have with Rogue, I have talked to him in private over DM on Twitter.
	And I actually talked to him when I caught wind of all this.
	I have a DM from him from probably like 20, 30 minutes ago where I was explaining shit to him.
	And he said, hey, you can publish this if you want to, where I say that you and I are cool.
	I've been very open with any disagreements I have with Rogue Start and the way he goes about things in private over DM.
	I'm very open with him.
	I do have issues with the way he does some things, but I talk to him about it.
	Right, okay.
	Just to finish up, what exactly would you like people to know?
	What do you want?
	What are you trying to do?
	What's your goal?
	What do you want people to know?
	Because I'm kind of sick of all this sort of, oh, someone's a shill, someone's this, someone's that, someone's the other.
	And it's like, Jesus, a lot of people are a lot of things, aren't they?
	So what do you want everyone to know?
	One thing that I have always advocated for, and if anybody out there was in my like, I did daily streams for like a week and a half, is I always advocated the community side of it because, and I've said this a lot of times, when you have these personalities, they get propped up on pedestals, you risk shit like this happening.
	And the strength of Gamergate is in the fucking numbers.
	And what we need to do is network with each other.
	We have fantastic things like the Gamergate Steam group that more people need to be involved in.
	People need to follow each other on Twitter.
	And if you see somebody talking about Gamergate, follow them, have them follow you back because we have to build this from the ground up.
	You know, if we don't trust the people in power, we have to build it from the ground up.
	And that means all of us as individuals, it doesn't matter who the fuck leaves or who gets called out and shit like that because that's still only one person in the grand scheme of things.
	It's everybody else, all the little people who don't get their voices heard that are fucking important to this.
	Those are the people that send the emails, that make the opinions matter.
	And those are the people that are important.
	Yeah, I actually really agree with that.
	I think that it would be very, very beneficial for basically anyone listening to go through the Gamergate tag and just follow everyone who's in there.
	Because I agree that it's got to be community building.
	This is how the anti-Gamergate are winning.
	They are effectively one giant fucking community.
	They all know each other.
	They all talk to each other.
	They all say, oh, yeah, we're all meet at the same conferences and whatnot.
	And they all network.
	And Gamergate's going to kind of do something similar, I think.
	Okay, Synth, I'm going to ask you to.
	Yeah, that's fine.
	You've had the floor.
	I appreciate you letting me coming on and talking and stuff.
	Yeah, no, I want to get as many opinions as we can get.
	And I want the people who are being accused to defend themselves because I don't presume guilt.
	So, cool.
	Well, take it easy, right?
	Yeah.
	Last thing I just want to say, anybody in chat, if you do have any questions, I'm very open about stuff on Twitter.
	I follow people back that follow me to the best of my ability.
	If you have any questions, feel free to ask, and I'll do my best to answer them.
	But thank you for letting me talk.
	All right.
	Adios.
	No problem, man.
	Because remember, it was just a Skype group, guys.
	It's not like, you know, it's not the end of the world.
	These guys don't have any power.
	So, you know, we don't need to go after them as if they're the editor of Kotaku.
	Right.
	Who's super?
	Not paying attention.
	Who wants to say something?
	Or I do.
	Oh, you got it.
	Cool.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	Can you hear me?
	Because I can't hear myself for some reason.
	Yeah, man, you need to make more videos.
	I know, I've been busy with liver disease recently, so that's been taking up a lot of my time.
	That's a shame.
	I love your video.
	I'll soon be able to properly join the hashtag NotYourShill because soon I will be a minority because I'm turning yellow.
	It's actually quite scary.
	And also if the person who tried to dox me is listening, before you try calling my workplace with the wrong name, because you got my workplace right, but you got my name wrong, please try and figure out what's my sexual preference before you accuse me and try and tell my boss that I'm looking at pictures of underage girls, because I don't fucking gay, you morons.
	I'm not joking you, Berry.
	I got a message from my boss he mentioned how I got doxed and someone called up the office and said, yeah, someone called up, they mentioned your Twitter account, and they mentioned your Skype, and they got your name wrong, and they claimed you were looking at pictures of five-year-old girls.
	And then, on top of, they said that they're involved with the police department, which is hilarious because it's not called the police in Ireland, it's called the Garda.
	So, you know, people don't do any research when they dox people.
	It's hilarious.
	Yeah, I suspect there's a lot of bullshit going on there, mate.
	Well, they got the office, though.
	They got the office right.
	They got the right department.
	I have no idea how they got that, but they got my name wrong.
	They got the name of someone from a different department entirely.
	So, yeah, I wanted to ask you about Bob Chipman.
	Oh, God, Bob.
	He's like a walking joke.
	When I was making that video of him, I honestly wanted to go in sort of level-headed and just...
	I tried making three videos in total on Bob Chipman.
	I tried three times.
	And each time I just scrap them because I realize that you cannot reasonably argue his points because they're just so far-fetched and dumb.
	The thing that got me, the first time I actually did a 10-minute video on Bob Chipman going through his link video.
	And when he mentioned the pose on the horse or the riding position, I just lost it because I'm someone who can ride a horse.
	I've ridden horses quite a lot.
	So him saying it's effeminate to ride in a galloping position was just fetched in every way.
	I completely understand where you're coming from with that.
	I've tried to make videos about Bob Chipman, but about halfway through I realized just how mean I'm being.
	And I, you know, like...
	You can't be reasonable around him.
	He's just so unlikable in every way.
	It's just so...
	He's like one of these...
	He's like...
	He's like a clown.
	There is nothing...
	It's kind of funny in the wrong ways.
	Yeah.
	You don't want it to be funny, but sometimes the things they do are so far-fetched and bizarre that it's pure entertainment.
	Okay, let's get back on topic then.
	Who had something to say about what's been going on?
	That would be me.
	Hi, I'm Bengal from Hell.
	I'm one of the founders of Gamergate.me.
	And I just like to say, like, the private groups that go on on Gamergate.me only involve working on the website and working on the wiki and getting more editors.
	So I just wanted to come here and just say that.
	That's all that we ever do over there.
	So just about that.
	I mean, like, yeah, everybody found the triangle and all the Illuminati crap on the bottom of the page, but that was just for lulz and kicks.
	So I just want to say that.
	Right.
	So what is Gamergate.me exactly?
	I'm not really.
	I've heard of it.
	It's a website that basically peels away all the truth behind what's going on on Gamergate.
	So there's a huge, it's basically a website aggregator.
	You know, it collabs all the evidence involved with Gamergate.
	And it's been mentioned on the official Wikipedia page and the talk page because they seem to think it's an official Gamergate website.
	But it's not.
	But most of the information and all that it references to is pretty legit.
	So that's why they think it's an official website.
	I'm just looking at the timeline you've got on there, actually.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, it's pretty good.
	You guys look like you've done a lot of work.
	Yeah, we've been working on it for some time.
	Okay, I'll tweet it and people can...
	Because it's wiki.
	Anyone can go on and edit it.
	Yeah, yeah, we need more wiki editors.
	Yeah, I'll do it.
	Yeah, because it's about time people from GamerGate get on that shit, I think.
	Yeah.
	All right.
	Well, that's all I wanted to say.
	So see you guys later.
	Well, piggies, man.
	Thanks for coming on.
	I'm going to watch out for the colour scheme, though.
	They're going to get John McIntosh claiming they're all rape supporters for having green and purple.
	They are all rape for having green and purple.
	To be fair, since I opened up that website, I've already cried twice from triggering.
	Just the colour scene.
	It's terrible.
	Right.
	They've added orange in the mix as well.
	Jesus.
	Did anyone else want to say something relevant just off the top of their heads before I get robbed on?
	Regarding Gamergate specifically?
	Just regarding what's happened today, I would have thought.
	Yeah, I've got a quick one.
	Fuck Nick Denton.
	I don't know whether those posts are true or not.
	I mean, I've wrote a very brief Twitnog about it.
	And the way I put it is it's either true, it's either true or it's terrible fake, or it's a fantastic false flag.
	Because whichever way you look at it, the result of that is going to be that Gamergate responds by saying, look, they're trying to separate us with this infighting.
	That's not infight.
	Yeah.
	I think that's actually one of the most important things.
	If someone from Gamergate is doing something you disagree with, by all means, tell them, but you don't need to come at them like they're your fucking enemy.
	That's the thing.
	I think that's what bothered me the most about this, is that the way I've seen people treating Monday Matt and King of Paul and all that, they're treating them as if they are part of the social fucking justice warriors.
	They're treating them as if they haven't been doing the best they can for Gamergate as individuals.
	And that is actually what really pisses me off the most.
	Fine, go after fucking all those twats on the other side like they're trying to bring down your hobby because they are.
	And this is what I was mentioning.
	You can't really hate someone unless you've loved them.
	Because everyone's talking as if they've been personally betrayed.
	And I think everyone needs to just remember that individuals, you don't need to go after them like you were going after, I don't know, movie bob or whoever.
	You know, be calm.
	That's the good thing about a consumer revolt is that you're allowed to disagree with people because you're not in lockstep.
	I don't need to tell people, but don't fucking come at them hammering tongs.
	That's just going to get their backup.
	Or even better, take it in private.
	Have a private conversation about your disagreements instead of throwing it up on Twitter.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I mean, I don't mind either way, but just, you know, you don't need to attack.
	You know, these are the people on your side.
	But yeah, Robin, did you have some information?
	Hello there, guys.
	Yeah, I was having rather a long conversation with a few people last night about something to do with this.
	I don't know if you remember.
	Has anyone been talking about what they call the Agents of Balance?
	Have you heard about this group?
	Yeah, Mundane Matt mentioned it a while ago.
	They emailed it, didn't they?
	Indeed.
	I was going to talk to Matt about this before coming on, but he hasn't responded, so I'll just say it here now.
	The Agents of Balance has been created by a little subset within our community, including Mundane Matt.
	This was basically in relation to the fact that we had all this Diagra business coming up.
	You and I have been through this sort of information already, haven't we, Sargon?
	we know that this is more than just basically a conspiracy theory, because we bothered to actually have a little look into it.
	Well, I don't really...
	Are you talking about the game balance people?
	No, not the game balance, Pete.
	That's basically a fake conspiracy.
	Yeah, it sounded like bollocks to me.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, well, it was created by Matt and a few other people there to basically take the piss out of Pohl and Roguestar, thinking that they're just conspiracy theorists.
	They'll look onto this like you wouldn't believe, and then they can take the piss out of them about it afterwards.
	This has ballooned to the point where, of course, we've got basically a bunch of kids here who aren't really politically aware, basically taking the piss out of each other.
	I do not think that Monday Matt is a paid shill.
	What I think is I think he's a fucking kid who's not really thought about this fully and has basically done something really, very stupid.
	And all this business with egos and all this business with people getting upset with each other and stuff like that is pointless.
	And I'm afraid it's basically ballooned out of control here.
	Well, can I just point out I am personally upset with you because you're my co-host and you didn't even say hi when you jumped on.
	I'm sorry, mate.
	I'm sorry.
	How do you do that?
	It's hard.
	It's like an icicle straight through my beating heart.
	You know, I love you.
	You know, I love you.
	But I've got I'm in front of all the people here.
	I'm doing my thing.
	And why didn't you speak to me yesterday?
	Anyway, basically, folks, everybody needs to calm down.
	Mundane Matt et al. are not shills.
	They've just been rather childish.
	What's gone on is they have basically created themselves a little sort of miniature conspiracy to basically take the piss out of Paul and Rogue Star.
	And anybody else who basically just, what they think, believes something without doing any research.
	What Matt and his little cabal have done is not believe something without any research.
	And what they've done is they've created this little conspiracy theory to try and actually sort of hook them in and then take the mickey out of them.
	That didn't really happen.
	But what has gone on, of course, is because this little mission has failed, they're now in a sort of like a position where people have got all this information about them.
	I personally like Matt to come on here and try and explain himself a little better, but I haven't had a chance to actually speak to him.
	I was trying to get him when I just woke up to this hurricane that's basically taken the house away, and I'm lying in bed, basically, in the woods, wondering what the fuck's just happened.
	But I did have some information that we were looking into this morning with Sir and a few other people.
	I'm not going to give you the name of the person who's given me this information, but they were on that stream while it was actually happening.
	So I do have actual information of this little group creating this little conspiracy theory as it was happening.
	This is what is going on, gentlemen.
	We've basically got Paul absolutely livid with people that are basically just taking the piss out of him more than anything else.
	This is not a conspiracy.
	This is not the paid shells that we were looking for.
	So I say to Paul, calm down.
	This isn't what you think it is.
	And Matt, throw the fuck up.
	Actually, what you've done is you've actually caused this rift.
	You have caused this.
	And I think you should maybe actually apologise to everybody for what's gone on here.
	But let's be honest, we've got loads of different types of people here, folks.
	Loads of different types.
	Some of them agree with each other.
	Some of them don't.
	But I'm just looking at this as an overall thing right now.
	And from what I've seen, we've got some people who haven't done their research.
	I've looked into this business.
	And I've got a lot of information regarding these particular sort of extreme feminists and things like that.
	I don't really want them involved in all of this either.
	I wanted to basically carry on making sure that Gamergate was actually clean in its affairs.
	But we have somebody who is deciding to be an enemy of ours.
	So I do understand that these people are relevant to this particular topic.
	However, yeah, well, you know, Matt's done it for lols.
	He's not doing this to basically undermine Gamergate.
	He was really more than anything else a little bit annoyed with Paul and Roguestar, probably for their behavior towards him and his friends.
	So that is really what is happening here.
	I'm really sort of disappointed in everybody for basically flying off the handle at each other.
	But I'm very much disappointed in Matt et al. and the other people that I see on this post bin right now.
	It's not what you think it is, but it is still people being very, very childish.
	I wish they, you know, it would be easier.
	It would be easier if they were, but it's not.
	So I'm basically weirdly defending Matt and Paul here.
	I agree.
	I think that I think there's obviously been a bit too much personal drama involved.
	And it's very hard to believe that anyone's actively out anyone involved in this is actually actively out to disrupt Gamergate itself because everyone seems pretty invested.
	Well, I've no doubt there are people out there trying to cause this fuss, but they do it in a much more subtle fashion, I think.
	So what did I wake up to?
	What the hell did I wake up to?
	Seriously.
	Yeah, hang on.
	Right.
	Once you've spoken, do you mind leaving?
	So, Robin, do you mind?
	Yeah, sure.
	I can go.
	Cheers, man.
	Thanks for coming on.
	Thanks for telling everyone.
	I was trying to keep it manageable.
	Understood.
	Who's the guy with the sunglasses and dreadlocks?
	It would be me, sir.
	Hi, Steve.
	Do you want to?
	What did you have to say that you wanted to say?
	Okay, so I don't have time to get into the commentary of everything that's happened.
	I just have something I've been working on for a really long time that I wanted to share with everybody.
	So I'm one of these people who believes you follow the money and you find the story.
	In that regard, I've been looking into trails of money.
	It turns out that the ESA, ESA is the biggest governing board in terms of the video game industry.
	They're the ones who set publishing mandates.
	They're the ones who set manufacturing mandates.
	They're the ones who set marketing mandates.
	Everything that falls under the guise of how video games are created and sold to the public at large is basically determined by this one governing board.
	The ESA happens to have one single large contributor, and that was GME Holdings Incorporated.
	So look into GME Holdings Incorporated, and GME Holdings Incorporated is the parent company of GameStop.
	GameStop also owns Game Informer, it turns out, under the umbrella of GME Holdings Incorporated.
	Game Informer, it's looking more and more like, is part of what's seeming to be a ladder, like a corporate ladder.
	And the end of this corporate ladder ends with one dude named Michael D. Gallagher.
	Michael D. Gallagher is the chief executive of the Entertainment Software Association.
	And what he has done is he went ahead and through GME Holdings Incorporated filed for a 527S, which is the least regulated political advocacy group tax exemption status that you can apply for.
	And essentially what that means is they're creating a PAC.
	For anybody who doesn't live in the United States, a PAC is a political action committee.
	A political action committee is a committee whose sole existence and sole purpose is to fundraise so that they can lobby political candidates, so that they can win them over for more lenient legislature or things like that.
	So it turns out that a PAC was established under GME Holdings Incorporated.
	Guess who the four people are that are the largest single contributors to this political action committee, the Super PAC?
	It's Walt Disney, Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony.
	So what you're actually able to verifiably prove just by the trail of money is that what it looks like, and through Trail of Promotions, is that if you do a good job, you work through the corporate ladder, you can literally work your way up through Game Informer, through GME Holdings Incorporated, through GameStop Executive Corporate, and get your way into the ESA, work your way up through the ESA, start doing some lobbying through this political action committee.
	The video game industry literally has a place in Capitol Hill already.
	The money's there.
	The political action committee's there.
	And the four largest players are Disney, Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony.
	Yeah, I'm not actually surprised in any way by that.
	A bunch of these social justice warriors did a game jam at the White House or something a while ago.
	Well, check this out.
	Gallagher himself, just last year, personally contributed somewhere between the neighborhood of $50,000 to $100,000 to national candidates.
	And that's an amount that he personally described as commensurate with similar committees associated with film and music industries.
	Such political action committees are generally financed personally by industry executives rather than corporations.
	And under federal law are limited to giving $5,000 to each candidate per election season.
	Right, okay.
	Okay, so I think we're getting a bit off topic here.
	What was your Twitter handle?
	How can people contact you?
	It's at ReviewMage.
	I'm just trying to get something out that I've been working on for a little bit.
	I figured you'd be the person to kind of deal with the info.
	And you know, another thing is, while everybody's sort of distracted and off base, I want to give you guys a little bit of focus.
	And again, like I said, you follow the money, you find the story.
	That's really what it comes down to.
	So the reality is, you know, we have basically an $80 billion industry that's being curtailed by the White House by a very real political action committee.
	I would say if you're going to influence change in the video game industry at large, you're probably going to have to have a conversation with the ESA at some point.
	It's going to be a very real conversation about the implications of all these things because they don't have any obligation to be very transparent about the nature of campaign finance.
	That's a whole nother thing.
	That's campaign finance reform.
	And at that point, you're talking tort reform.
	You're talking a million other things.
	So this is a lot more complex, I think, than even I gave it credit for in the beginning.
	But, like I said, followed the trail, finding some things out.
	Okay, thanks, man.
	Yep.
	I'll see you guys later.
	Tweet some link on me or tweet something in.
	Oh, yeah, you know, Robin and I are working on a radio show to kind of take the spirit of Radio Nero.
	I can't get into the details of what happened there, but Radio Nero at this point isn't going to be able to continue.
	So we're trying to just go ahead and take the reins.
	You can find that on my Twitter, but my Twitter is right here in chat.
	It's that.
	Review Mage.
	And then the other thing is, I want to make a really quick comment about review labs because we've been talked about in miscellaneous things that are kind of related to all this stuff.
	As it stands right now, our VP's gone.
	Most of our executive staff is gone.
	And we're downsizing dramatically.
	I'm not going to get into the details of who or why or how, but I'm likely selling the company to another media corporation and trying to do something in terms of content development that's more along the line.
	They know my ethical standards.
	They know my alignment.
	But at this point, dealing with 16 people a day and having to put out fires like this isn't really worth my time.
	So I'm going to be getting review labs as something that somebody else can deal with, and I'm going to be working on content development for another media company.
	Okay, man.
	Right.
	Cool.
	Thanks for coming up.
	Thanks for coming on Telephone.
	Thank you for giving me your time.
	I appreciate it.
	That's right.
	Everyone get following in so you guys can investigate that.
	Oliver.
	Yes.
	Hello.
	You've been waiting for a long time, very quietly.
	Yes.
	How's it going, man?
	Well, it goes without saying that my past day and a half has been really, really interesting.
	I was told that people wanted me to come on with you.
	I suppose I was told that you had some questions about some stuff, and so I tried to answer those to the best of my ability.
	Yeah, honestly, I can't remember what my questions are.
	I'm too busy administrating what's going on at the moment.
	People are so-and-so wants on.
	You need to speak to this person.
	I'm like, okay, Christ.
	Normally I have help.
	So yeah, is there anything you wanted to say to people?
	The most important stuff is clearly, since I had so many people watching yesterday's stream, I had a ton of anti-Gamergate people.
	I had Gamergate people.
	Everyone's attention was focused on me based on me having a source that, based on the credentials that they showed me, are someone within government.
	And that, well, I can tell you right now, that person has told me right up front that they are a pro Gamergate, and they're in the crowd, just like everyone else, and they're watching this stuff.
	They came to me with some information.
	They came to me with more information, obviously, than what I've given.
	Some of that I was allowed to go ahead and talk about publicly, and quite a bit of it I can't speak on.
	The important stuff, the big stuff that I was given the clear to talk about was the fact that the FBI and Department of Homeland Security is just aware of this situation.
	And the next point that they brought up was that they're aware that people have sent threats to themselves, which was obviously very interesting.
	And then the third point being...
	Where are we getting the full information on that?
	Because that's something I'm really looking forward to finding out.
	Where are they getting the information on that?
	When?
	Oh, when?
	When are they?
	I don't know.
	I don't know.
	I wasn't given anything on that.
	I think it's very careful.
	The key thing was that they were very particular with their language.
	And I obviously took note of that and made sure not to twist or interpret anything that was being said then other than what it was being said.
	So they said that DHS and FBI are aware.
	At no point did they say that DHS and FBI are directly investigating.
	And that's really the key.
	So I see people taking that info and they're twisting it into all kinds of stuff.
	And I'm telling you right now, don't twist that and don't make it anything other than what it is.
	What I said publicly is almost word for word how it was said to me.
	So that's the careful thing.
	The reason I'm placing emphasis on that is because the source did say that the FTC is investigating into these media outlets in question.
	They didn't give me a whole lot more detail on that.
	What they did say is that, and they repeated it multiple times, they said use the Freedom of Information Act request to find out some of this stuff.
	Find out about people allegedly threatening themselves.
	Find out about just again with use the Freedom of Information Act to look into outlets regarding FTC investigation, things like that.
	And they repeated that several times.
	I spoke to the source a little bit more.
	Obviously, they're very skittish.
	I'm sorry.
	As far as that info and how come I haven't shown those credentials to everyone else, I have it right here.
	I'm looking at it.
	I don't mean I have their physical stuff.
	No, I don't mean I have that right here.
	I'm saying that I have something that I could show people, but I'm not because the source doesn't want that shown to anyone else.
	I was given permission to vet that stuff through RogueStar, and so I did.
	What I saw was that that individual's government credentials, as far as me knowing and understanding what I was looking at, I'm familiar with those credentials myself, so I looked over it.
	Everything that I saw looked on-level.
	Same thing I showed to Rogue, and the reason that Rogue would be someone who could actually look over that is because Rogue was in the military.
	They also use those same types of IDs, and there's the same stuff on there that should be taken into account.
	And so as far as we can tell, this is on level.
	But obviously, I'm not just going to put all that info out there.
	There is still info on there that could compromise that person.
	Obviously, there's certain things that they can't say.
	They have good reason to be afraid of just having their identity spilled out.
	And so I'm just using that caution in that sense.
	The other important thing about the info that I was given, when I talked about that stuff, I was given specific names and I was given specific outlets to look into and specific situations.
	The key thing is I didn't say what those things were publicly because I believe that if people doing this very situation here where people fly off the handle, so I'm looking at this and I'm thinking about minimizing harm.
	And some of these are very, very stark accusations and it would be incredibly damaging to just send people running off, you know, on what could be a whim.
	And so I'm being very, very careful about that stuff.
	And so I'm going to push people in the direction of, well, here's some of the stuff that's been talked about and some of the stuff that you guys have the ability to go and research into through just the same thing, Freedom of Information Act requests and FTC and stuff.
	They will give you that info.
	And at that point, then it's everyone's business.
	But I'm just utilizing due diligence and being careful with a source that has only given me so much to go off of.
	Based on that, I want people to make sure that they stay on task and stay focused towards their goal.
	And that being the same stuff.
	You've been emailing advertisers and it made an impact.
	It made a big difference.
	Now you have a new tool.
	You have the ability to go and talk to the FTC, the Federal Trade Commission, and tell them the things that you have seen and done.
	Or not the things that you've seen and done, but the things that you have seen, or things that you have seen, and the things that people have done.
	That's the stuff that you should be talking about.
	I just got some info a few minutes ago that someone is actually putting together a paste bin with info on how to set that stuff up and links and things like that.
	And it's really well done.
	As soon as I get that out, I'll go ahead and tweet, or as soon as I get the clear that that's done and set up, I'll go ahead and tweet that out.
	But I just woke up like everyone else and heard about the stuff that King and Paul was talking about.
	I jumped on stream.
	And obviously people are really, really agitated.
	As far as just different people and personalities and dealing with that, and some people are allegedly using things as an opportunity to push things in directions that they want, so on and so forth.
	Just my general opinion on that stuff is, okay, if this is happening, I'm not particularly surprised.
	I think that's the most important thing.
	I'm just like, okay, yeah, this is the kind of stuff that people do and are known to do.
	But as far as those individuals go, with the accusation that's on the table here, I don't know.
	I'm just sitting here watching this and just trying to get information the same as anyone else.
	But I would say the most important thing is if people run and fly off the handle about this particular thing, are you intentionally letting yourself get unfocused?
	That's really the question I guess I ask for everybody else.
	My question is, what does this have to do with your ability to send emails to advertisers?
	What does it have to do with your ability to inform the FTC of this situation with media outlets and doing things that could be breaking the law?
	That's really the question at hand.
	And so I guess the most important thing is that people don't get too wrapped up on infighting.
	I talked about this in the past with people getting caught up in side skirmishes and moving away from big objectives and things like that and just getting certain things done rather than the word objective.
	You know what I mean?
	So I think that people should just really focus on that stuff more.
	That's me.
	That's just me speaking.
	I'm one guy and that's pretty much it.
	Okay.
	Well, thanks for coming on and saying all that, man.
	I agree.
	I agree.
	The infighting doesn't need to happen.
	And I think that people need to kind of calm down a bit and just keep emailing.
	We're in the grind now, remember, everyone.
	I think the lines have been pretty firmly drawn, haven't they?
	So we all know that, you know, we all know what sides we stand on, and we all know who the enemies are, and we all know what we've got to do.
	And the only way these people win is if we collapse from the inside at this point.
	So if we just don't and keep emailing, we're on the path to victory here.
	So, you know, this is the home fucking run.
	This is the home straight.
	Don't let them fuck you up now.
	And they're going to pull out all the fucking stops.
	So don't let them get in your way.
	If you guys want to talk, Jennifer, did you want to?
	I'm catching up a bit on what happened this morning.
	I get pulled into all kinds of things, so I'm just going to go grab a cup of tea.
	I'll be back.
	Oh, sorry.
	Tea.
	I need some tea.
	Okay.
	It's only so long that British people can talk without having tea.
	So it's fuel for the brickball.
	Canadians are a little bit like that, but not as much.
	So I woke up and people were saying that I was a shill.
	I don't even know where to start with that.
	So there are a lot of really gray areas with business stuff.
	And my concern was that Roger was going to get himself into a lot of trouble.
	And he didn't mean anything by what he was doing.
	We were just clarifying what he was doing.
	I get pulled into like 10 Skype groups a week.
	And I'm just like, I can't keep up with them all, to be quite honest.
	And I'm just like, I just wake up to somebody calling me a shill because I was in a Skype group.
	Well, you know what?
	I'm one of my 20 times this shill because everybody adds me to their Skype groups.
	My Skype is open.
	Anyone can add me.
	So it's just kind of like, you know, I've been fighting some of this stuff for a year prior to Gamergate.
	And it's just like, if I'm a shill, then it doesn't make a whole lot of sense unless I'm psychic.
	Yeah, you know, it's really weird.
	When people look at things, it's, you know, not to specifically comment on this situation, but what I am saying is that it can be really difficult working with language and especially in the online space, how it's very easy for something someone says to potentially be taken out of context.
	So that's all rather, rather tricky.
	So I can see where you're coming from in that sense.
	Well, yeah, I just don't know.
	I just'm friendly with people.
	They add me, they talk to me.
	I was a little upset at the rogue thing because you have to understand that when devs talk to each other and one dev does something that you're not sure where the gray area is and where the red area is, you have to be like, hey, you know, have you looked into this?
	You could be falling under this.
	We can't do those kinds of things.
	And I mean, even Rogue cleared it up himself.
	I just, I don't want anyone getting into trouble for fighting for what they believe in.
	And that's what I saw.
	And I got called a concern troll and a shill for it.
	And it's just like, I don't get it.
	I really don't.
	And like, people are saying I'm doing damage control.
	No, this is the same stuff I've been seeing for a while now.
	It's just like there was a whole stream about the secret Skype call like a month ago explaining the whole thing.
	And it's just like King of Paul was there.
	He knows that's not true.
	You know, and I think he's just overtired and he's getting a little paranoid because of because people have gone after him because he's a strong personality.
	I'm not sure why he brought me into that.
	I'm a little bit disappointed, but he has been going after people who have been fighting the anti-consumerism for a while now.
	And I'm not really sure why.
	Because I saw him attacking somebody yesterday who has been talking about the way the media has been anti-consumer since I've known them.
	I've known them for a while now.
	I've watched them on YouTube and they've been talking about this for a while.
	And they were called a shill too.
	So it's just like, where does it stop?
	What exactly is and isn't a shill at this point?
	Because, I mean, some of us would have to be psychic for us to be shills.
	Right, okay.
	Yeah, I'm this the thing.
	I don't exactly know what happened in this group, so I don't exactly know who's being accused of what.
	But I think I do think Paul may have overreacted a bit because he was under attack, and I completely understand why I think anyone would have done in the same place.
	Well, it's hard to have thousands of people up your butt.
	I mean, there's no, I don't, I don't necessarily think he was being malicious.
	I think when you're told that there are people who are planted and paid enough times and you see things kind of coming apart at the seams, you're going to start pointing fingers to save it.
	I think he's just being really passionate about this.
	And I think it's just kind of like, let's see who freaks out the most, right?
	I don't have any problem with him.
	I mean, I don't, I've seen some stuff that's been done and I'm like, hey, why are you doing that?
	But I don't have a problem, you know, with him as a person.
	I just, I want the actions to maybe calm down a bit.
	Yeah, I mean, I definitely think I definitely think we need to stop going after people because, like, like you say, it is difficult when you've got thousands of people up your ass.
	And I think everyone's got to remember that, you know, it's just Paul doing his stream, you know, and it's just, you know, like Jennifer, you know, on Skype.
	It's not an organization.
	So we've got to remember that we don't treat GameGate people like we would treat Destructoid or Kotaku or it's not the same.
	No, and I've been explaining that to people from the beginning.
	You know, we're dealing, you know, we might have random trolls on our side, but they have like seasoned professionals performing very not good activities.
	And their responsibility is always greater than your guys' responsibility as random consumers.
	So you have to think about that because they want you to police everyone like professionals.
	And the only professionals we should be policing are the actual professionals on our side.
	Like, I mean, if I was doing something in a gray area, I would want people to say, hey, are you sure this is something you should be doing?
	And that's what I did with Rogue because I was concerned about him.
	I don't want his game taken away or him, you know, going to court because one of those people was just like, oh, hey, he's doing a gray area thing.
	I can file a complaint against him.
	And it's just like, I don't want him to go through that hassle.
	I don't want anybody to go through that hassle.
	No, excuse me, I agree.
	It's all been a bit of a kerfuffle, hasn't it?
	Was there anything else you wanted to say to people?
	I will take your silence as a no.
	Oh, me?
	Of course.
	I don't really know what to say.
	I'm just a little bit confused.
	I just woke up.
	That's all right.
	I want everyone to be able to say their piece, you know, because I don't really like the idea of people being misrepresented or unable to defend themselves.
	Yeah.
	Well, I just want people to keep emailing.
	Don't give up.
	It's a consumer movement.
	This is not about anyone specifically.
	This is not about me.
	It's not about Poll.
	It's not about Rogue.
	It's about our industry.
	It's everybody's industry.
	And you've won.
	You won.
	Don't let that slip away by leaving a historical imprint that ends with infighting and calling people shills.
	Just keep going.
	That's all I have to say, really.
	Yeah, I think the best advice is if you think someone is a shill, just ignore them.
	Right.
	Fuck them.
	Carry on as you are.
	Keep sending emails.
	Exactly.
	Okay, Jennifer.
	Thanks for coming on.
	Do you mind if I ask you to.
	Oh, no problem.
	Thanks for talking to me.
	Polite asking people to leave, but I have to.
	No, no, I understand.
	The call gets out of control.
	It's fine.
	Thank you for letting me talk, though.
	That's all right.
	I really appreciate it.
	Bye.
	That's okay.
	Take care.
	All right, Sargon.
	I'm going to bow that as well.
	Okay.
	But yeah, I said or wanted to say that an hour ago.
	I was just kind of hanging out listening to the conversation.
	That's fine.
	But yeah, same thing.
	Send emails.
	Regardless of what you think of this drama, regardless what you think of a celebrity culture or shields or how much you want to overuse the word shields because I see it every other fucking tweet these days.
	Just send it emails.
	Just send it emails.
	Send a message.
	When you send emails, your voice is just as important as anyone else.
	Yeah.
	So cheers, Sargon.
	Take care.
	Oliver.
	Yes, sir.
	Was there anything else you wanted to add to all of this?
	Yeah, it's the key thing here for people is just watching chat go by and seeing what people are saying and how they're reacting.
	It's really, really important to not let yourself get distracted.
	No matter what, no matter who.
	There will be people who will try to distract you.
	It doesn't matter what side they're on.
	Who is doing what is basically or who is doing it is irrelevant.
	The fact that people would try to distract you and dissuade you from the task at hand.
	Many of you guys have encountered so much stuff over the past month, and a lot of it has been really, really difficult for people to handle.
	It's known.
	People will try to do that, especially with the current setup that Gamergate has with having no leaders and having no direct structure, nothing to immediately attack.
	The key thing is no matter what, don't forget what you're here for.
	And that's for you guys pointing out and trying to change things.
	You're trying to change the world.
	And changing the world is a big task.
	It is a monumental task.
	There's no doubt about that.
	But each individual person contributes just a little bit to this stuff.
	But it's when we're all acting together and we're all contributing our little bit that it becomes a lot of bit.
	And that's the most important thing.
	No matter what, no matter what, don't let yourself get caught up inside skirmishes.
	Like, yeah, you'll see a thing and you'll react to it and you'll be like, what the hell is this?
	But you just need to always ask yourself the question of how does this immediately affect my ability to move forward?
	How does this affect Gamergate's ability to move forward and continue to bring stuff to light?
	You guys are right now, and this is without a doubt, on the world's stage.
	Everyone is watching what every individual is doing.
	There's no doubt about that.
	Obviously, even myself, case in point, there are people who are now really, really watching me because they want to see what I'm going to say or what I'm going to do, and then they're going to try and take that stuff and turn it against me in some way, shape, or form.
	Unfortunately, they're not going to find a whole lot because what I say is what I mean, and what I mean is what I say.
	And people are going to do that for everybody.
	So the important thing is keep moving into this information that you get.
	The key thing is that looking at my source and the stuff that I brought up, the number one thing that I want people to know as far as the info that I shared is that, as I said before, I said it yesterday, I said it last evening, I'm saying it this morning, is that if the info that they're giving me doesn't pan out to be true, I'll flat out tell you guys, I'm like, okay, this is what was said, this is why I told people to be skeptical,
	I encourage people to be skeptical, and if it's not, then I'll just say as much.
	It's just that simple.
	I'll be like, okay, this is the information, this is what I had, and this is the condition under which I got it.
	If it doesn't shake out, I'll just flat out say, hey, it doesn't look like this thing is going to shake out.
	Right now, the things that that source is giving me doesn't look like it won't shake out.
	So that's the stuff.
	The stuff that I shared was stuff that appeared to be safe and looks fine.
	And even with the actionable stuff, for example, like I said, contacting the FTC, right, because that wouldn't shake out.
	Like, no, contact the FTC.
	In fact, I just linked something showing that FTC investigations tend to be a known and public thing.
	The Wall Street Journal article I just linked said the FTC is investigating into a company called Herbalife.
	And that's something that was happening in March.
	So people shouldn't be so upset or get into a twist over that stuff.
	There's quite a bit of info.
	Just as Sargon said, where it appears we may be coming into the home stretch of this thing, where once the government steps in and starts getting involved in stuff.
	So that's really key.
	One bit of info that someone asked me to share, if you didn't know, Freedom of Information Act requests are not limited to American citizens, which also I didn't know.
	So even British folks such as Sargon and Robin.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, definitely.
	So even those guys can look into it.
	Even if you're a Canadian citizen, you can still do that stuff and you can point that stuff out.
	So that's really good information to know.
	At the end of the day, I want you guys to stay focused on that stuff.
	And no matter what, like I said, treat other people like humans.
	You know, that was the last thing I said before I passed out into a crumpled little pile last night for being up so long.
	But don't forget you're dealing with humans.
	You're dealing with other people who are like you and have their own motivations and all that other stuff.
	And no matter how mad they make you, no matter how angry you become, and no matter how much you feel like dehumanizing someone else, don't do that.
	Like, just don't do that.
	You're still dealing with human beings.
	You're going to hold people accountable for the actions that they take.
	There's no doubt about that.
	And you should be angry at the actions that people take.
	And you can be, fairly should be angry at people's behavior.
	But just don't forget your humanity in the middle of all this.
	Everyone still has the right to be treated like a person.
	That's kind of the whole point.
	And so I just want people to keep that stuff in mind.
	Yeah, remember that dehumanizing people is what the opposition does.
	We don't want to be like them, I'm sure.
	Absolutely.
	That's pretty much what I got, unless you had any other questions for me, Sargon.
	I think that's everything I had, mate.
	Thanks a lot for coming on.
	I really appreciate it.
	Yeah, no problem.
	Cool.
	Take it easy, man.
	Yeah, thanks.
	Bye.
	Soberus, nice to see you finally turned up, you lazy motherfucker.
	Yeah, I just went through the worst job interview ever and was interrogated by a misandrist.
	Jesus, really?
	Okay.
	Stick around.
	We'll get to that in a bit.
	Someone else has just jumped in.
	Becca.
	Inquisitor Becca.
	I believe you're one of the people who was in that Skype group.
	I am in the Skype group, though.
	I haven't been able to get through all of Paul's stream yet.
	So I was told that he said my name and was like, oh no, this person's not a shill.
	But that would be strange because I was pretty much hanging out with all those people.
	Yeah.
	So what did you do about Skype?
	Would you like to tell everyone what the purpose of it was?
	Sure.
	So basically what happened, it started with Queenie Martha.
	She wanted to talk to people, obviously, that she was meeting through Gamergate.
	So she started inviting a lot of people.
	She couldn't really host this 24-call on her computer.
	It just wouldn't handle it.
	So she grabbed a few people who would be able to.
	One of those was Secret Squaff.
	At some point, a dude named Edward ran the call.
	Now it's a dude named Fugitive.
	So it's just whoever's computer can handle it.
	We spend most of the time talking about games, not necessarily Gamergate related stuff.
	But we definitely do talk about Gamergate because that's where we all met.
	So it's mostly just friends hanging out, which makes this all a little hilarious and a little pathetic, to be honest.
	Right.
	Well, go on, keep going.
	What's your opinion?
	Okay, from what I've seen of Pohl's stream so far, I'm going to, again, I usually operate on the assumption that any mistakes or things that are wrong that someone does are ignorance over malice.
	So I'm not going to attribute this to Pohl trying to be an asshole.
	But he seems to be taking literally everything related to the call in some strange, mysterious light.
	Like, again, I just started it, and he's talking about how they keep remaking the call so that they can boot people from it so that they can control the narrative or something.
	And literally, we are remaking the call because we don't know how Skype works.
	And that's the only way we can all get everyone back together if something goes wrong with it.
	So it's just that kind of like you pull something, you create some kind of explanation for it that's just it doesn't make any sense because he was in the call.
	Like I've talked to the dude.
	I got along with him anytime I talked with him.
	I didn't think that there was any problem.
	Like I can go through like everyone I know who left the call who explained and explained like why they left if someone wants to hear that.
	Right, okay.
	I'm curious.
	The chat's saying things like you're trying to, or that group has tried to drive people out of Gamergate and whatnot.
	What's your response to that?
	Well, there's first like the obvious we don't have the ability to drive someone out of Gamergate even if we want to.
	Anyone can be bullied and anyone can be a bully.
	That's true.
	If a concerted group of like 20 or 30 people were to specifically target someone who may well be a fairly sensitive soul, then or maybe a bit touchy, then I think you're absolutely capable of doing that.
	So I'd like you to address it theory.
	Fair point.
	Fair point.
	I will say, however, that the thing that makes me kind of annoyed about all of this is that I'm getting just as confused by what people mean by harassment on our side as on their side.
	Because I'm sure you listened to the Arthur Chu interview with Brianna Wu, or not with Brianna Wu, with David Pagman, sorry, can't speak English.
	Where he's talking about the fact that dot replies are a form of harassment.
	Like, yes, a lot of people on that call disagree with Rogue Star and King of Pole for various reasons.
	I can go into those reasons.
	But if all of the disagreement from us is what drove them away, I don't even know what to say to that.
	Hold on, you said, Sarah.
	Apparently someone wants to.
	I mean, you don't have to say anything.
	I just want to make sure that you're aware that you might not consider it a bad thing, but you are a very small group.
	And there are 2,500 people listening who might not agree with the things you've said, done, or the methods that you operate under.
	So you might want to reconsider the things you do.
	No, that's completely understandable.
	And I totally get what you're saying there.
	All that I'm saying is that I think that there were serious threats, especially against Kig of Pole.
	There were serious threats made against him.
	The freaking, like, was it the firefighters, the police being called on his house?
	Like, that is insane.
	And I completely understand him stepping away from Gamergate in the face of that kind of shit.
	Like, all power to him.
	I completely agree with him on that.
	I know.
	That confuses me, though, because I don't quite get it.
	So again, I can't go into his motives.
	just don't quite get it, I guess.
	Can I just ask?
	Yes.
	Can I just ask a question?
	Were you in the chat when this Agents of Balance stuff came out?
	Because what the hell was all that about?
	Okay, all right.
	I will explain Agents of Balance, and apparently it's against King of Vice Plot against Camp Pole.
	So Monday and Matt got this really weird email from someone who was describing themselves as an agent of balance in gaming and that they were going to like, it was, we don't even know who this guy is.
	It was so weird.
	So he thought that it was hilarious.
	So several people made accounts that were like color-coded.
	They were the agents of balance.
	And we made like these purposefully obscure, silly tweets and had like nicknames for people.
	And none of them were like against, at least none of the ones that I did.
	My color's pink, by the way, if you want to look me up.
	I barely tweeted at all.
	But none of the tweets were against anyone except for maybe like Anita.
	I think I made a joke about Anita.
	But it was literally a joke.
	We never sent it to anyone.
	It was like, hey, there's this thing coming after you.
	It was a joke based on conspiracy.
	I understand.
	Yeah.
	I understand that you think it's a joke.
	The thing is, this has been one of the largest movements that I've ever been a part of that actually had a goal that could have been potentially damaged by things like this.
	We now stand on the precipice, basically, by just the looks of it, by the fact that I just got home and there were shitloads of messages from everybody that I speak to in Gamergate.
	We stand divided now completely, a massive divide and conquer from things like this.
	Now, something has to happen now.
	And what's going to happen is the movement going to fall like Occupy?
	Because things like this have happened.
	Or are people actually going to unite and come back together again and actually work towards the common goal here?
	We stand, everybody, even people in the bloody chat, we stand at a point of just falling apart and we carrying on with the status quo.
	And things like what you guys have done potentially could have jeopardized that.
	I don't know personally, but I have a question regarding this, and I'd like an honest answer of it.
	So people think that this joke is clearly a big enough issue that we should be, I don't know, excoriated, removed from the movement, something for damaging it.
	Now, the one piece of evidence that I've seen regarding the shill thing is people saying, hey, if you disagree with Rogue Star, you need, and this is on Operation Box Populi, you need to come out and say something about it because this is a damaging thing to do.
	So again, if you're thinking that, sorry, my voice is dying.
	If you're thinking that, and I completely understand your point of view, if you're thinking that someone needs to stop doing something because of a joke that went wrong in some way, then why is it then not acceptable to say, hey, if you would disagree with this person's tactics and think it's going to hurt the movement, you should say something about it.
	Can someone explain that part to me?
	Go for it, Cerberus.
	This is your one.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm just completely I completely missed that last bit because I'm just looking at the reaction from the chat here.
	It's like 2,000 people in chat.
	Most of it's going to be shill anyway.
	Sorry, Joe.
	Okay, basically, my comparison is that people in chat made a joke that was a joke about conspiracy theories, right?
	Somebody could definitely take that the wrong way.
	I'll comment on why someone would take that the wrong way at some other point, I guess.
	But people then want to remove them for the movement for that joke.
	I wouldn't want to remove anybody from the movement.
	What I want people to realize is that we should be harmonious.
	The other side, they don't have the community that we've tried to do here.
	So seriously, why just apologize and we move on?
	We move on back together.
	I think it's not blowing it out of proportion entirely, you know, if we just actually accept it and move on.
	Right, no, I agree.
	But here's what I'm trying to say.
	Okay, so not remove from the movement, but get to stop the action that they're doing because you think it's harmful.
	Would that be more accurate?
	Yes.
	Okay, so I completely understand that.
	How is that different from looking at Operation Vox Populi?
	And if you had a problem with it, there were several problems that people had with it.
	And a big one being that he was a developer and that it could be an legal gray area to do this.
	How is it then different to say this is something that will definitely hurt the movement?
	And if you disagree with it, you should speak out about that.
	Which was basically what I see in this log that I was linked, the paste bin.
	I think the only difference was one was designed as a humorous joke that could have potentially added to the tinfoiliness and the other one had some serious issues that were addressed.
	I think there is a difference between the two here.
	So you'll have to kind of elaborate what you mean.
	Do you think that then it's more acceptable to tell the joke to stop or more acceptable to tell the possibly like?
	Both should stop because they both.
	So if one is wrong because of all the inherent sort of problems legally and one is distracting and could potentially harm people that take the bait, then both should.
	How's that?
	You know, both should stop.
	If they both have, you know, merits, they should continue.
	If they don't, they should stop.
	Okay, but if they're not helping the goal move forward, then why do any of them?
	Well, I understand your point with this, but you also do think that they are on two different footings because one of them is specifically a battle plan for the movement.
	The other is a joke that a group of friends are doing.
	So, like, I totally understand your point.
	And honestly, I haven't even tweeted on my account in a while.
	I think I put like four tweets out on it.
	Someone can check me.
	Okay, I mean, this is just all my opinion anyway.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	No, I get that.
	Okay, so Becca, what do you think that you want people, what would you like people to know?
	What do you think you need to say?
	All I think that I need to say is, again, people are going to go shill crazy either way.
	It just kind of happens.
	But I think that people need to be willing to actually listen to people.
	And if you don't think that you have the mental capacity to listen to someone who's shilling one-on-one, like ask them all the problems that you have, and then determine whether they're actually an issue, then why are you here in the first place?
	Because you clearly don't have the mental capacity to be working with us.
	So again, I will answer anyone's individual questions if they feel like there's something specific they want answered.
	And if you have anything specific, I'll answer it.
	I literally just did ask something specific, and then you asked a question in response to that.
	Oh, I'm sorry.
	I'm just going to say right now.
	I mean, what is your goal?
	What do you want?
	What I basically want is for people to calm down, but I don't think that will happen, unfortunately.
	That's because you're being a dick, frankly.
	Can you explain?
	You can drop this fucking attitude, or you can leave.
	Okay, I'm not trying to be a dick to you.
	I fully don't understand.
	You're being a dick to everyone else.
	I don't care, but everyone else cares, you know?
	You don't seem to understand in what's going on here.
	And I find that really, really strange.
	So do you not think a bit of humility might be good at this point?
	Certainly, but can okay, sorry, I apparently said something wrong, and I apologize for that.
	But can you explain what I said that was dickish so that I can clarify what I meant?
	Can you possibly get through a sentence without laughing?
	Because I don't know if you've noticed.
	No one else is laughing.
	You are the only person who finds this amusing.
	I don't find it amusing.
	You were laughing all the way through this conversation.
	I'm not sure if you're aware of the way some people respond to something, but there are over 2,000 people listening to me, and I'm a little bit nervous of that.
	Yeah, so I'm going to laugh.
	If you have a problem with that, that's fine.
	But can you explain something else that's dickish?
	It's that you sound like a dick, frankly.
	I'm just trying to let you know how to do it.
	Okay, that's completely acceptable.
	Is there something else that I said that was dickish that you'd like me to explain?
	Why don't you just say what you actually want to say?
	Rather than distracting, rather than deflecting, say what you mean to say.
	Say what you want people to know about you.
	All right.
	I'm not getting paid by anyone to be a shill.
	I'm not here to make money or to become popular.
	Mostly I've made friends doing this because this is a cause that I really care about because I've been playing games my whole life.
	And especially the ethics in games journalism is a really big issue, but a lot of it to me is tied more into the social justice stuff.
	And it really sucks for me because before Gamergate happened, I was honestly convinced by these people that it was me and maybe three other women who thought that this was crazy, this obsession with bayonet is evil and all this ridiculous nonsense.
	And Gamergate showed me that, no, it's a lot of people, and that's pretty awesome.
	So what really screws that up in my mind is whenever people go on these tangents about how everyone is a shill, and I got into this conversation with someone, and I'd love to continue the conversation, about the use of the word shill and whether it's being used in a way that's just confusing people.
	I got into this conversation with Critical Kelly.
	And that's a conversation that I'd love to have about someone being paid versus someone just doing something that you think is bad for the movement.
	So if people want to have that conversation, that's great.
	And I'm partially here to kind of put myself out there and say, hey, if you want to have that conversation with me and you disagree with me, I'd love to talk about it.
	What I'm saying, and I, again, I'm kind of assuming because you didn't specify what exactly it was, but what I'm assuming that was the dickish statement was that I find it very difficult to have these discussions with people whenever they're screaming things that are basically thought-terminating clichés of, you know, you're a shill and I don't even need to listen to you because you're just getting paid.
	Like, until you find proof of me getting money from Gawker, which you're not going to find because, again, I don't get money from anyone.
	I have enough money to go to school and that's about it.
	I find it very hard to engage in these conversations and it sucks.
	So I was kind of hoping that by being on here and the same thing that other people who have been on here are doing is basically explaining things they talked about in the chat, kind of their feelings on things, and Explain that asset or that asset.
	That's not what I'm looking for.
	That side of it.
	Then people can kind of look for, hey, this is the so-called evil side.
	If you want to actually address them, then here I am.
	I don't think using the terms good and evil is very useful.
	And that's what I wanted you to.
	Yeah.
	You know, there is no good and evil.
	Yeah.
	But what's your do you want to do you want to tell everyone your Twitter name or information so they can talk to you personally?
	Because I imagine that there are going to be people who want to talk to you.
	And I imagine that obviously you'll want to explain your position and cross to everyone exactly how you feel about things.
	Right.
	So my handle on Twitter, I'll say it and then spell it out because it's kind of a made-up name.
	It's Ira Brisa.
	That's I-R-I-B-R-I-S-E.
	I can answer any questions there.
	If your question is particularly long, you can ask it on AskFM.
	It's Ask FM, rather.
	It's the same name there.
	Yeah, like I just added camera lady on Skype.
	So if she has any questions for me, I'll address those there.
	I'm a little less willing to give out my Skype name just because I want to talk to someone first.
	Yeah, no, that's fine.
	You don't have to.
	That's pretty much what I'm here for.
	Okay, well, thanks for coming on.
	I appreciate coming on and giving your side of the story from someone who was part of this Skype group.
	So I think it's important that you guys defend yourselves.
	But I also think it's important that you actually stick to the relevant points rather than deflecting a bit.
	No, I completely understand.
	And let me just say that I apologize.
	I didn't understand that it was coming off that way.
	I'm not really good at social interaction.
	That's a big part of my love of games.
	So I really just want to apologize to you for if you felt like I was being a dick to you or to anyone else.
	So sorry about that.
	Not me personally, actually, but it was the people listening, I think, were I completely.
	Yeah, sorry.
	Honestly, I really am sorry about that.
	That's not, I do understand.
	Thanks a lot for coming on.
	All right.
	Bye.
	Bye.
	All right.
	What do you guys make of that?
	I'm still a little confused by all of us, to be honest.
	Because, again, I've been out of the loop for a while because of various issues.
	But I'm also confused by people who keep bringing up the GNNA.
	I keep seeing them being brought up into this.
	Yeah, I don't actually know what the GNNA is or DNA.
	They gain niggas from America.
	Just a troll group, essentially.
	It's a troll group, but they're mainly made up of people who are part of the community I used to be part of a while ago.
	And my name is sort of evident of what community I used to be involved with.
	Right, okay.
	And what do they do?
	They're trolls, are they?
	Or what?
	Yeah, they're trolls.
	Normally they go after sort of sort of big targets and sort of they did very subtle trolling and they try to sort of pose as a legit organization.
	And to be honest, some of the things they did was pretty funny.
	But when they try and get into something with this many people involved, it's hard for them to really kind of get a grip.
	And I've also seen people involved with the Bill Wagner crew involved as well.
	And no one seems to notice them at all when they're involved in this.
	It's like, you know, these people are obviously not connected to Gamergate, and they don't have any opinion on it.
	And everyone seems to brush over the various groups they're involved with, like the Bill Wagner crew or the GNNA.
	And it's kind of important you really take these into account because I know a number of people who were both involved with the GNNA and the Bill Wagner crew.
	So it's you know, and so I know how these people act.
	And a lot of the time, these people, they're not in this for anything.
	They don't have a position in the debate.
	They're just in it to stir the shit because they find it entertaining.
	Yeah.
	And the GNA are extremely good at it.
	To be honest with you, I probably would fit in with those communities quite well myself.
	Well, the problem with the GTA, I probably would.
	But the problem with the GNA, though, is you can't stop them based on how they operate because no matter what side attacks them, they'll always adapt to the other side in order to attack the side.
	They sort of always switch sides when they're attacking someone.
	And they're quite clever when they do attack someone.
	They all have the same mindset.
	Apparently, the GNA isn't actually part of this.
	It's mainly Bill Wagner's group.
	That's what I think.
	Again, people who are involved with the GNNA are also involved with the Bill Wagner crew.
	I know, it's probably involved in both of them.
	The Bill Wagner crew, well, Bill Wagner crew is pretty much dead at this point.
	Most of the people who were the reason why the Bill Wagner crew gathered so much steam back with Block Talk Radio, most of them have gone on to do other things and they've sort of gone onto the radar.
	So what this is is mainly people who didn't really want to let go of that kind of attitude and they didn't want to try and do something a bit more productive.
	So they're sticking to the old methods.
	Okay.
	I'm just waiting for Mundane Matt to join us.
	I think it's morning wherever he lives.
	So yeah, I guess we can just shoot the shit for a minute if you want, guys.
	We'll wait for him.
	How's it going?
	Cerberus, how are you, man?
	Well, I decided to go to a job interview just for the practice.
	It wasn't the job that I actually wanted, and I just got grilled.
	And I was just fed.
	Well, I sat down and it was just like, well, I later learned that the woman that was interviewing me used to be really, really nice until she found out that her husband cheated on her.
	And then, like, then basically, it was just horrible from there.
	not very nice, it was just...
	So she was a proper man-hater or what?
	Well, I think she hates everyone, actually.
	I think she's an equal rights hater, basically.
	So, you know, I'm sure she probably went and burnt some puppies after that interview and slapped some woman in the face.
	She just looked like someone on the warpath.
	What, sorry?
	What was she saying to you?
	It was just like every question was just loaded.
	And she accused.
	Well, she said that I was how could I possibly manage a group of people when I was so timid, apparently.
	So apparently I'm very timid, which I found quite interesting.
	I was actually just speaking politely and with a flat tone of well, not a flat tone, but just a conversational tone, yeah.
	And she just jumped all over me.
	So, yeah.
	Either way, I know I didn't get that job.
	But there we go.
	Never mind.
	Yeah.
	Tarko, you're back in, are you?
	Yeah, how's it going, guys?
	Yeah, good, man.
	How are you?
	I heard you were just doing some shoot the shit, so I thought I'd just kind of pop back in.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Just wait for Mundane Matt to come in.
	He's just a little bit more.
	Oh, geez, that's going to be interesting.
	Wasn't he like a big deal in the whole King of Poles stream?
	I think that Matt, I doubt it's as bad as everyone thinks.
	Yeah.
	I mean, he's still able to defend himself, you know.
	I just listened to Becca, and yeah, like she seemed more nervous than actively being an asshole.
	I was being a bit harsh there, but I was.
	It really did seem like she was deflecting, and I just wanted it to get to a point, you know what I mean?
	Yeah, and I mean, well, at the same time, like, I live with somebody who has some pretty severe autism.
	I know what it looks like when someone just can't get their shit together and talk.
	That's right.
	I'm not happy that she.
	I mean, Cerberus asked her a direct question, and she responded with a question.
	You know, she and she did this a couple of times.
	I'm not happy with that methodology.
	I've seen it before.
	I'm not happy with that sort of method.
	Yeah.
	I like that green hair, but that's pretty much all I like about her.
	I like, no, who's the guy who does the pictures, the sort of blue and red caricatures?
	Oh, Alexander.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Yeah, he goes by the handle of Toshi.
	Yeah, he did an amazing one with Pixie Jennyware.
	I'll have to find it, but just a brilliant little caricature of her.
	Oh, geez, there's people in the chat calling me a shill.
	I wonder what I did.
	I've no idea.
	Colin in the chat, what did Short Fataku do to make him a shill?
	I mean, like, here's the thing.
	We've all been very honest here.
	Like, part of the reason that we got involved in Gamergate was because we're small-time YouTubers, we're trying to get a little bit bigger, and there's hits there.
	So, like, we've been honest about that since the start.
	But at the same time, we do do actual research, so it's not only shills, at least.
	That makes sense.
	Yeah.
	But I remember, what was his name?
	Maximum Tacos kind of got on our case for a while, thinking that we were just in it just to shill, just to shill forever.
	And I was like, no, no, no, no.
	We do care.
	We do play video games.
	Yeah.
	The thing.
	What I'm worried about with this is that calling someone a shill is pretty much a witch hunt.
	How are they going to prove they're not a shill?
	How are they going to do that?
	Yeah.
	You have to jump them in water.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, we'll do the Monty Python sketch, shall we?
	For every single member of Gamergate.
	Exactly.
	I mean, some people are undoubtedly shills, but I really think that we need to be a bit more careful.
	Because otherwise, the thing is, it wouldn't surprise me if there were shills who are going around accusing other people of being shills to instill a sense of paranoia.
	What do you guys think?
	Well, that's definitely what the GNA does, that's for sure.
	Yeah, I mean, that's what I would do if I was trying to disrupt a leaderless consumer revolt from the inside.
	I'd accuse other people.
	I'd make up shit.
	I'd find ways of just planting a seed of doubt in people's minds.
	So here's the thing.
	The GNAA, they're basically in it just to see who can burn the fastest.
	And I have talked to some GNA members, and even though they're trolling everybody, they love it that these companies are dying.
	To them, it's just fucking hilarious.
	I don't doubt.
	I don't doubt.
	Matt, how's it going, mate?
	I'm just waking up.
	Yeah, so shit's been going down, man.
	Apparently.
	Yeah.
	Hasn't she been going down for the past two days now?
	If it's not one thing, it's another.
	Yeah, yeah.
	Does anyone know exactly what accusations have been leveled at Matt?
	At this point, all I keep hearing every day, all day is, I'm a shoe!
	And usually some other made-up crap that's not true.
	Well, I can at least point out some of the things that Paul said about you, Matt.
	Give me a bulleted-pointed list of what a person who left the group, left to Consumer Revolt, has to say about me.
	That'd be awesome.
	Thank you.
	Well, he's back, first off.
	Oh, oh, he's back.
	Oh, gee, wow, that was cool.
	Come on, come on.
	Let's not make this about ego.
	Let's be adults here.
	I don't blame you.
	I would do the same thing probably in your position.
	But let's treat it.
	I'll get my snark out of the way early, I promise.
	Yeah.
	Some of the things I can recall, because I don't have it all off the top of my head right away, but one of the things is that you were making sock puppets, and he provided logs of that, kind of showing you talking about your sock puppets.
	And when people were asking, like, oh, we have to go after Rogue Star for this and that, you were like the guy who was providing his contact info and providing all this stuff.
	I didn't even know Rogue Star's name until after Operation Vox Populi, which was the what I did see the past bin that he dropped, and there's entirely a context there that's not even being looked at.
	I can just put it in the chat if anyone wanted to read it.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	That's fine.
	I haven't read through the whole thing because I saw it on my phone, but I recognized the conversation from just pieces of it.
	Essentially, what happened, this is right before OP Vox Populi.
	And I will be perfectly bluntly honest here.
	So yeah, I'm part of one or two Skype calls with people that I usually chit chat with every night.
	There's not a lot of colluding at all, really.
	We sit there talking about movies and video games and what's going on and shit.
	Mostly just BS because that's what you do at 4 o'clock in the morning.
	It's very public.
	It's very open.
	Anyone can join.
	Rogue Star has been part of it.
	King of Pole has been part of it.
	And one night, this is getting ready to talk about, like right before I think Rogue Star was getting ready to do OP Vox Populi.
	He comes in, and I come in and we're talking.
	And he is like, you know, I don't quite know his mental state at the moment in time, but we know Rogue Star can get a little bit heated, I guess.
	And he starts telling me, and I'm not even making this up.
	He actually goes, I'm really paranoid right now.
	I need you to prove that you are you, Matt.
	I need you to follow me on Twitter.
	And I'm like, oh, okay.
	Click.
	Here you go.
	We're talking.
	And he's going off the rails.
	He's going completely off the rails for about probably an hour and a half.
	And there's like maybe four or five of us in here listening to this and everything.
	We're trying to talk him down.
	We're trying to talk to him and everything.
	And then he was getting ready to go on King of Pole's stream to kind of bring this whole thing up.
	And he's basically, if anyone finds out my name, I'm going to do something very bad.
	He actually quoted a very massive school shooting that he was going to do, something similar to.
	And it was a lot at the time that we're going like, okay, listen, we don't know who this person is.
	We don't know the mental state of this person.
	This is not something that, like, we really, you know, I don't think anyone who was listening to this guy talk would want to not warn people of this thing.
	And that was that whole point.
	Was like, we talked to King of Pole about it the next day, right before his stream.
	We're like, dude, listen, this is what he was saying.
	This is kind of be careful.
	Just be careful.
	And then Paul just didn't want to hear it.
	He left the group.
	That was when he left.
	And then went right on to his live stream and called us all sick human beings, even though he wasn't privy to the conversation where a person was off their rocker mentally and making these wild, outlandish threats that at the time, you have no idea whether they're true or not.
	Like, you know, there's been a lot of stuff being said these last couple months, and it's like, let's just be careful.
	But people wanted, he didn't want to listen.
	And that's that entire context of that whole thing.
	It's there's no, I don't even know Roguestar's name.
	When I first heard his name, I thought it was a made-up name because I didn't know that it was legitimately his name.
	So, no, there's no sock puppet accounts.
	There's no, there's no fucking, Jesus Christ.
	There's, there's, there's no, I don't have his information.
	I don't even, I guess I heard a threat too.
	Someone said that I was attempting to dox people, which I'm like, just absolutely 100% against.
	So, like, I don't even have anyone's information.
	You know, I only recently found out Sargon's first name from King of Pole.
	That's, you know, like, that's the thing.
	That's how little information I collected.
	Paul just said your first name, and I'm not going to repeat it because I don't know if you want it out there.
	The point is, the point is, guys, it's like you've got this situation which is entirely out of context.
	And I'm sure you've seen blow-ups by Rogue Star on Twitter that would at least somewhat back up my claims here of like, this is stuff that I've heard.
	You know, he gets in his uber military tactical style and everything.
	When he's talking about being super paranoid, people are coming for him and he's going to threaten an event if his information is found out.
	When his information is already out there, it just really makes you have to question the legitimacy of this person.
	And that's all that was, was us just trying to talk to King of Pole and say, there might be some stuff here worth looking into.
	You may want to be careful.
	And that's precisely what happened.
	Paul is actually in the chat at the moment.
	I'm sure he is.
	People were tweeting him that I'm coming in.
	So I'm glad he's here to own up to some of the stuff that he's saying.
	Well, hopefully we can just get a resolution and just move past this.
	That's fine with me.
	Look, here's the thing, guys.
	Here's the thing.
	We've been at this for over two months, you know, two and a half months at this point.
	There's a lot of crap being flung on all sides.
	If people are trying to exit Gamergate and then burn it down on their way out, can you really trust the validity of their claims?
	Well, I don't think anyone's trying to do that.
	And I think this is a conversation that needs to be had.
	So I think it's good that we're having it.
	That's fine.
	I'm okay with that.
	Yeah, I know, man.
	I know.
	The thing is, I know that you've been under attack today.
	And that's basically what I want to try and we're all fighting for the same cause.
	So we don't need to quite golf on each other quite that hard.
	I'm just waiting for my Skype to get his shit back together because that's a real bad.
	Have they faked the internet yet?
	No, an engineer coming around to the middle.
	Honestly, it's pissing me off.
	It's just like, for fuck's sake.
	So, but yeah, hopefully tomorrow it will be done and I won't have to worry about that sort of bollocks anymore.
	But yeah, I'm just going to get King of Paul in.
	I'm going to get Rogue Star in for a moment as well.
	But I just want everyone to remain calm, Rogue Star, if you're listening, everyone.
	Be civil, because we're all fucking adults.
	We're all on the same team.
	So.
	I'm just waiting for him to come on.
	We need some elevator music for the silence.
	I linked...
	I linked Paul the thing in Skype, so hopefully he'll be on soon.
	Hello.
	All right.
	All right.
	Some accusations headed my way, and I demand to face my accuser.
	Yeah, so what the hell is going on?
	I've had a conversation with Sargon and Mundane Matt the last time, I believe, was when I got ganked and cyber mobbed on the escapist.
	You two gentlemen did, you know, we had a private chat, and thank you for that, by the way.
	But some serious accusations being thrown around here in front of just looking at the count on stream now, 2,617 people.
	So what is going on?
	What accusations are you talking about?
	Somebody's accusing me of something about, I don't know, Mundane Matt is saying doing something.
	What I'm referring to, hold on, Rogue, sorry, let me at least address this then properly.
	Do you remember the night before you went on poll stream talking about OP VOX Populi and you had your little breakdown in the Skype call where you were and this is don't know?
	Do not act like you did not do our witnesses.
	You were telling people, you were telling us.
	That was not a breakdown, that was not a breakdown.
	That was three in the fucking morning and you guys listen guys, one of you can talk and then, when you're finished, the other one can answer.
	But you're gonna be civil and you're gonna be polite, because it doesn't help anyone if you just shout at each other.
	Now Matt, I'm gonna unmute you so you can ask the question and then Rogue can answer, because this is the context.
	I would unmute you if I knew how right you should be unmute, okay.
	So we good yeah what what, what were you gonna say, man?
	Okay, all I'm saying is the call that I'm referring to and I was asking Brogue if he remembered was the night before he went on poll stream for OP VOX Populi.
	He was agitated is a good word for it, I believe and he made a couple claims that were, at the time, extremely frightening and really called into question a lot of the mentality behind the person who's going to go and try to push this narrative into Gamergate, because some of the stuff was quite freaky and that's precisely what it was.
	All right sorry, I apologize for uh, having my temper lost On that one.
	Matt, I'm still treating this where we're coming from a misunderstanding here.
	I thought I've buried that fucking issue.
	But let me address it again.
	Yeah, let me address that again.
	Yes, some things were said that freaked you out.
	Two words that came in mind were Columbine and Black Hat.
	Yes, I was agitated and very pissed off.
	Yes, I was deep into fucking opbox at that time.
	I was looking at the fucking horizon of goddamn troll accounts and a lot of people hitting my own personal fucking networks.
	People fucking pinging me all the time.
	Hey, this is going to fucking happen.
	Of course, you guys invited me some chat.
	You wanted some information.
	I was very candid.
	Now, if you're saying something about, oh, you know, questioning the mentality of someone who's driving the narrative, wake the fuck up, dude.
	I'm just one indie game developer.
	I've been censored on fucking Gama Sutra.
	I've been censored on the freaking escapist.
	I'm just trying to speak my fucking mind.
	I don't try to fucking control the chaos here.
	I'm maneuvering around it.
	So if you're going to accuse me of being a fucking school shooter and accuse me of being some e-celebrity who's trying to broadcast a message, dude, way off base, man.
	No, no, no, no.
	I'm not accusing you of being an e-celebrity at all.
	Trust me.
	This isn't about that crap to me.
	I don't care about any of that.
	The point is, man, look, look, and the thing is, I thought we did bury this.
	The only reason why it's coming back up is because other people are attempting to bring this crap back up and trying to explain context.
	I agree with you, Matt.
	Yeah, yeah.
	So context is aside, we've buried that conversation a long time ago.
	Do you agree with that, man?
	So the person who's trying to bring this up is very much attempting to drive a wedge.
	Look, Rogue, here's the thing, man.
	You and I don't see eye to eye in a lot of things.
	We don't, honestly, and that's fine.
	We have talked to you, Sargon and I did have a conversation a while back, calmed a lot of stuff down.
	And since then, I really appreciated that talk.
	We've been hoping a lot on that one.
	You know, we've been fine with each other.
	Everything's been fine, right?
	We figured all that crap out.
	It's a lot of misunderstandings.
	The point is, the person who's trying to make these claims right now is attempting to draw that back up to cause more problems.
	So, look, I got no issue with you, dude.
	I get it.
	I get it.
	You know, there's a lot going on.
	It's been heated for a couple months.
	You know, it's been on edge.
	A lot of it's been on edge.
	It's not hard to set off the Tinderbox.
	But at least that's why the thing is, that's why Sargon is good.
	Because Sargon brings people together and is like, okay, let's talk about this.
	His voice is very soothing.
	But let's get back to the issues at hand here.
	To me, there's a lot of tactical difficulties that are happening in Gamergate.
	And that's one of the issues that I wanted to go up on stream right now.
	This tactical issue is there's a lot of over focus on, I would say, streamer personalities, like either you, King of Pole, Internet Aristocrat, Jade.
	There's a lot of over focus on that one.
	And what's happening is even when I see the chat right now, I would say even the chat is one way where we're tactically weak because a lot of disinformation can be broadcast through this chat.
	I mean, it's happened to the Ralph Retort, where his stream really, really got ganked through the chat and even had a hitbox exploit through it.
	So I don't know.
	I want to put some advice to go on level with Mundane Matt here to where we need to stop focusing on streamer personalities and start getting back to discussing the core issues at hand.
	Especially when myself and Oliver, when he asked for my backup on this federal FTC thing and this DHS thing, there was a whole bunch of misinformation being directed at me and Oliver again.
	And I'm like, oh my God, is this Operation Vox Populite 2.0?
	I didn't even send that side up out, man.
	I mean, shit.
	It's the same patterns, and people are falling for the same fucking bait all over again.
	So I'm hoping the streamers can get a little bit more tactical now.
	When you guys go on stream, talk about the movement.
	We need to stop talking about this petty bullshit that we've, you know, unfortunately we've buried it in our private convos.
	But for some reason, they're getting dug back out in the public.
	And I'm like, you know, it's unfortunate in the case where I understand why some of this needs to go out publicly.
	And the best I can do is, you know, I don't control anybody else's voice.
	You know, I like to fuck with anti-Gamergate a lot.
	And I do much enjoy it.
	To me, it's a game.
	But yeah, we need to really start de-escalating this issue.
	Yeah, the thing is, we all have a common enemy here that we're just missing the focus on.
	If we actually just turned around and just put all this energy into actually tackling the issues at hand, we had a really good week at the beginning of the week.
	And now we're at the middle of the precipice of annihilation almost, tearing each other apart.
	So just some common sense, guys.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I think we need to stop taking stuff so personally.
	And I think, Rogue, I think you're very, very bright on a lot of points.
	I think too much of the focus is on the people themselves.
	But King of Paul, how are you doing, man?
	I'm alright, man.
	Yeah, you cool?
	I'm fine.
	I've been kicking back, laughing my ass off, as I have plenty of things to ask so he can, Money Matter can address things since it was all one big troll, as Robin put it, because obviously it's been so elaborated.
	So I guess let me ask this.
	I'm going to read something to you, and I want you to address it to me.
	And then I'm going to follow up by reading you actually tweeting RogueStar's actual Twitter when a guy who had a sock puppet account submitted to it was asking for it.
	And then following up by saying that, is this operation who we target today?
	So we'll get to that.
	But the first thing I want to address is this.
	You kicked a guy out because he disagreed with what you guys were doing, which was attacking, making false accounts, and false flagging Rogue Star and contacting PRs to write false information about him.
	Anyways, so Costen says, I made up my mind not to not care because you tried shoving your opinion down my throat.
	So no, I don't care about this either way.
	I don't care what Rogue does if he achieves anything.
	You're one of your guys?
	There will be a stream about this in a few minutes explaining carefully why you should care.
	Hopefully you'd be smart enough and to listen to it.
	Then you can decide if you care or not.
	Costin, contrary to what some people might think, people have their own minds.
	You're not going to convince me anyway to take your side, except some people perhaps unless you spend time explaining reasonably.
	And even the pen, people can and will disagree.
	You're all acting like this is a big deal and panicking.
	Do you really know what you're doing?
	Making it worse.
	Let's assume Rogue Star is crazy and can damage Gamergate.
	Actively and openly attacking him.
	Demanding people to join against him will only split the movement, split opinions of people on the issue.
	What is essentially going to happen by doing that is a civil war.
	Ignore him and some will follow regardless.
	But whatever.
	What was the response to that from one of your guys' camps?
	What you're doing and what you're doing it.
	Thinking you're alone, knowing what you're doing.
	Thinking you're alone.
	Know it's so much better than 10 plus people who know all more and know more about the subject and situation than you do.
	That is baffling.
	You really need to get a fucking grip on reality and get your head out of your own ass and stop being so fucking stubborn.
	The situation will be perfectly explained to you as soon as it's stream.
	Listen to that stream, then make up your mind.
	Now, explain to me why you think that it is rightfully okay to attack someone's mental health openly by saying, oh, we attacked him, demand people to join against him, make sock puppet accounts to hurt him, go after his in person.
	As Jenny Daws said, is reminder, guys, we're not going after Operation Box Populi.
	We're going after his character.
	This is no-brainer, obviously, as Jenny Dawn put it.
	Now, explain to me why you think that's okay, and then you're going to tweet his actual tweet to somebody who has sock puppet accounts asking for it so he can start Operation Target of the Dick.
	You explain that to me, and then we'll go from there.
	I would like to see proof of these accusations because honestly.
	Go watch my video, and actually go look at my tweets.
	Go watch my entire video.
	I looked at the tweets.
	Hold on, hold on.
	Hold on.
	I'm going to be perfectly honest here.
	I was looking at one of the tweets you sent out that you tagged me in, and I didn't recognize any of that conversation whatsoever.
	So whatever you just read is absolutely new to me.
	I'm not even making that up.
	I've never heard of that before.
	The only person whose names I recognized was Jennifer Dock.
	That's the only person's name I recognize.
	Other than that, I have absolutely no knowledge of what you're talking about.
	So you have no idea what's going on, even though you're actively communicating in this conversation, in this log, in this group, He, Man, Woman, Haters Club, while in the same time helping out these people do what they're doing.
	I, again, by another one of your followers as one of the ten people who are actively attacking somebody and following up by coming on here to say that you did what you did because he's mentally unstable.
	All right, Paul, calm down, man.
	I'm sorry.
	But as somebody pushes, it's all right.
	It's all right.
	I understand.
	I really understand, right?
	But I mean, can you tweet me a link to what you've sent or send me on Skype or something?
	I will.
	Sure.
	The stuff?
	Yeah, sure.
	I mean, you can go watch my stream.
	It's all there.
	The video is uploaded for everyone to watch.
	I'm not going to sit there and watch your video, dude.
	If you have the info, show me the info.
	I'd like to see you because you're making accusations.
	And I've never made a sock puppet account.
	So I would like to know what this is all about because that's what I'm hearing.
	Well, we'll start with that.
	And then I guess if I could screen share, I'll just have to re-go over all this again while your name will be dropped in here in the chat log very, very often.
	What exactly did Matt say that you're quoting?
	I don't know.
	He removed all the stuff like a smart person would do, except twice when a sock puppet guy said, hey, are we doing Operation Target of the Day?
	And you said yes, and he asked for Rogue Star's thing, and you followed up by actually linking Rogue Star's Twitter because he couldn't find it.
	Right.
	Right.
	Go look.
	Go look.
	You don't want to watch my video, Matt.
	I understand that it's very difficult for you to take heat, and I get that.
	I understand that.
	But it's completely important.
	So it's fine.
	It's completely.
	It doesn't matter, dude.
	The dick measure contest is over.
	These are actual truths.
	You go look at it.
	You know it's there.
	You can deny it all you want, but the video is out there.
	The logs are out there.
	And everything's out there for everybody to view it.
	So whether or not you want to argue with me or not, facts are the facts, and you can't refute that.
	Unless you want to claim feelings dictate over facts, that is what the truth is.
	And so that's the thing, is I'm trying to figure out precisely what's being said.
	I am looking at a paste bin, but there's no names.
	Everyone's just titled shill.
	So I can't look at the context of that.
	My video.
	Just go.
	You know, actually, can we just turn up?
	Apparently, he's not going to be able to do that.
	Guys!
	Again, stop talking over each other.
	So I actually gave you power to mute people.
	So use it.
	I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.
	Since Monday Matt doesn't remember any of this that happened, even though he typed in this whole entire thing.
	I think the purpose isn't necessarily to find out who's right or wrong.
	I'm sure that everything you're saying is true.
	I'm sure that you have got facts, man.
	Otherwise, you wouldn't be saying all this.
	I completely agree.
	Tell you what, I'll copy and paste some of stuff because you can't copy a message that somebody makes on Skype and post it into another Skype without it blinking back to the original poster.
	My if I speak a little bit a little unguided.
	I'm fine.
	I don't know what to say.
	Yeah, everybody seems to try to defend what I've said and my character and the things that were actually spoken in a private Skype environment.
	And myself and Mundane Matt have resolved this a long time ago.
	We've had our disagreements.
	The fact that it's getting brought up again now, I really don't understand it, Paul.
	I mean, I know you're stressed out, dude, and I know you're taking a lot of fucking flack for this.
	But I really, you know, I woke up this morning and I'm supposed to be making my fucking video game right now.
	I mean, I'll just say this now.
	When you hear me in private chat, I'm very candid.
	You know, I speak like I'm in the fucking barracks again.
	That'll freak out people like Matt.
	I get it.
	I mean, it's a different voice altogether, especially when I start bringing up stuff about network security.
	But to be fair to all parties here, we need to de-escalate the situation.
	Seriously.
	Well, in that case, somebody needs to own up to something, and then it's de-escalated, in my opinion.
	You can't just sit there and deny some crazy shit like that and then say that never happened.
	And you know it did.
	That's mind-boggling to me in the first place.
	And then refuse to look at evidence by saying, I don't want to watch your videos.
	That's even more mind-boggling.
	That's fine, but just at least own up to your shit, man.
	Who cares?
	We have, man.
	I mean, I've owned up to that conversation with Mundane Matt.
	Yes, I was agitated.
	Yes, it was like three in the goddamn morning.
	Yes, I talked about black hat stuff.
	Yes, it would, you know, really freak out some people in that conversation that I had with Mundane Matt.
	That was on audio.
	Yes, I got pissed off.
	I got pissed off at two people from Mundane Matt's group.
	Well, it's not his group.
	It's just people he was hanging out with that started spreading shit all over Opvox and keep targeting me all the fucking time.
	From my perspective, I've tried to handle this privately through DM.
	I've tried to not do it over Twitter.
	Some people have kept it in wraps.
	If you're cool with it, man, I guess you're cool with it.
	But in my eye.
	I'm not saying I wasn't cool with it.
	I'm saying that I've resolved that with Matt.
	We've had our differences, and now we have an understanding.
	And I'm here to fucking defend myself, dude.
	I mean, I don't want to have to.
	They don't have problems.
	I just don't care.
	Hang on.
	So this is basically what I want.
	I want to find some sort of Concord where even if it's alright if people have been in the wrong, everyone makes fucking mistakes.
	Rogue's done exactly the right thing here.
	He's like, look, fair enough.
	I was in the wrong man.
	I apologize.
	That's all that needs to happen.
	Are you all behind?
	I'm sorry.
	Are you all fucking drunk?
	No, no, stop.
	This is how hypocrisy this is.
	You guys attack people, or not attack, I'm sorry.
	We go after people who do the same shit to harass people and stuff like that and make sock puppet accounts.
	People like GNA, we denounce them and shills and stuff like that.
	And we just say we're against that.
	But then you say most prominent people who are in there, it's okay to give them a fucking pass, and then they got to win up to nothing.
	It's okay.
	That's okay.
	That's all I have to hear, dude.
	That's all I need to hear.
	I get it.
	I get it.
	If you're cool with it and you're cool with it, that's fine.
	I understand that.
	Paul, Paul, Paul.
	It doesn't get going to free pass.
	It doesn't get going to free pass.
	It doesn't.
	It doesn't matter.
	Nobody gets a free pass, dude.
	Paul, it's not a free pass.
	We're discussing one issue at a time.
	You're jumping all over the place, dude.
	So let me at least bring in my perspective on this, please, because an accusation that's been thrown at me has been dug out of the fucking water again, and I have had to redefend that conversation and then tell me, yes, it's been resolved.
	All right.
	The IRC logs.
	These infamous IRC logs that had fucking RogueStar in it.
	RogueStar is actually a registered handle to me.
	Back when I was operating in pre-Gamergate, before everything was blown out, and I was actually anonymous.
	That handle is registered to me.
	It can be traced back to me.
	I came into Gamergate not by choice.
	As in, you know, hi, I'm Slave Liana.
	I'm a fucking game developer.
	That's not by my choice, dude.
	And what you're doing to me right now, digging up all this old conversation stuff, it's not my choice again.
	You know, because I now have to redefend my position over an issue that I have had to defend over and over again.
	So I understand that there's a sense of calling out people and a sense of resolving stuff.
	But I was hoping that this could be done through DMs, through private.
	And it's an easier way to resolve this because there's 2,863 people watching this right now.
	Anti-Gamerigate could be watching this right now.
	Let me ask you something real quick, Rogue.
	Why do you feel like you need to defend yourself because you said a few things out of context that anybody else would have brushed off with a shoulder?
	You shouldn't have to defend yourself for being attacked.
	That's what I say.
	I don't understand it.
	I get you apologize.
	I get you like, it's okay.
	I wish this was all done behind me.
	But you came on my stream and said, I appreciate it.
	And now you're here and you're saying, well, I wish we did this indeed.
	Can I just interject something here?
	Because I understand everybody's angle here.
	But there are a lot of people now that are innocent people that are actually getting hurt by this.
	They're actually getting a lot of messages basically attached to are you one of mundane matt shills?
	It's on the page, man.
	You don't need to look.
	But you could say people getting hurt or not, but the log's there.
	Go watch the video.
	I don't need anything.
	Okay, that's that's great, man.
	But right now, we can't watch the video because we're in a stream with you talking about this.
	So I had a look at this imager thing that's being sent around, but I can't really see anything on it that's like I mean, I don't see what I'm looking for on it.
	What's so bad about it?
	Just circle.
	That's the imager of what I just read to Mundane Matt that they were talking about attacking, harassing, and assaulting this person, which is Rogue Star.
	And that after the stream, it was immediately removed and deleted.
	You can go to the actual link yourself that is in there that circled many times and go check it out.
	It's gone.
	That was what was on stream during the stream, and now it's gone.
	They removed it already.
	So you can sit here and say what you want.
	Oh, this never happened.
	This is that.
	This is all that.
	But why would hide why would you hide evidence in the face of everything else?
	You know, I feel that I get that everybody wants to de-escalate stuff and everything like that.
	And that's fine.
	You know, that's fine if you want to do that.
	But in my opinion, I feel that if you're going to do something as abhorrent and so shitty to somebody else and then think you could just slide away because one person forgives you and the other one doesn't, that's disgusting to me.
	At least own up to your shit and don't be such a fucking bitch about it.
	That's the only thing I have to say about it.
	And then if you're going to sit here and try and okay, okay.
	That's right.
	Matt, what would you like to say?
	I'm looking over the imager that he linked and I don't even see my name in here.
	Yeah, I didn't see a name in there either.
	I don't see my name in here, so I don't know how this proves I did anything or didn't do anything because my name's not even in this in this imagery.
	Oh, go watch the video, bro.
	Go watch the video, bro.
	I'll tell you what that is.
	I will watch the video once we're done here.
	I can't stop right now.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm sorry.
	I know you want me to.
	I get that.
	But I'm not seeing what I did here.
	I'm not seeing any evidence of anything because my name is not even in this stuff.
	The thing is, it's fine.
	It's fine.
	There's nothing else to say, man.
	Look, listen, Rogue, you're right.
	You want it done.
	It's done.
	And you guys can de-escalate it.
	And in my opinion, it's very distasteful.
	And people can lie, bold-faced lies all they want.
	It just tells me who they are and what their character is.
	And it goes from there.
	I don't need to defend anything, or I don't need to sit here and justify what I'm saying.
	The facts are the facts.
	Matt can sit here and say, I never said that, but I have proof where that.
	The facts are the facts.
	Go watch the video.
	Go watch the video.
	Lie all you want, dude.
	Go watch the video.
	We can do this all day.
	Go watch the video.
	The proof is there.
	The proof is in the program.
	Paul, can I jump in just for a second?
	That's all I have to say.
	The facts are the facts.
	You can dictate all you want.
	You can bitch about how it's this and that and everything like that.
	But in the end of the day, the facts are the facts.
	And all I can see is you saying, oh, I didn't say it.
	While I have a video showing that you did say it.
	So you can deny all you want, but you do what you do, man.
	It's all good.
	People will dictate.
	Actions speak louder than your words.
	That's all I have to say on that.
	Because Paul, I've seen your video, and I know what you're talking about.
	Oh, he left.
	Sorry, I haven't seen the video.
	Tell me.
	Yeah, tell me, please.
	I'd love to know this information.
	Okay.
	And this is, I mean, I saw it a couple hours ago.
	I don't remember it completely.
	So I think this is what Paul's talking about.
	In that imager that he posted, it has two people, and neither of them are you, Matt, talking about basically how to go after Rogue Star.
	Sometime after that, in the same conversation, those people were asking how to get in contact with Rogue Star, and you posted Rogue Star's Twitter, like, oh, this is Rogue Star.
	I think that's pretty much where he's going with it.
	Okay.
	Well, if that's the case, we all know how Skype calls work.
	Like, people are in voice chat.
	They're talking in voice chat.
	They talk about something.
	Maybe it pops up in the stream.
	And then it's taken out of context because you don't know the voice versus what's being posted in the chat, correct?
	That's completely correct.
	That is completely correct.
	And so this is what I'm getting is Paul is not in the voice chat.
	And maybe I typed, I don't honestly, I couldn't remember if I typed it out.
	I probably might have at one point.
	But if it's in the context of which he's attempting to say that I did something, I spend most of my time talking in the voice chat.
	I don't type a lot in the text chat unless I'm posting information or something.
	So that would be that.
	And if that was coming up with the confines of that conversation, it's possible.
	I can't confirm or deny because I haven't seen that particular screenshot.
	Looking at the evidence he presented with the imager, my name's not even linked at all, so I have no idea what this has to do with me and why it's titled Monday Matt Covers Up Evidence when my name is not even in those images whatsoever.
	So I think a lot of this is absolutely baseless, and it's really just, you know, it's sad because this is like, this is, we have a common enemy, a common goal.
	I agree with that, Matt.
	Actually, I released an edited version of that list that names specific idiots that were actually trying to stir the shit up.
	So in any case, I wanted to at least de-escalate this.
	I do appreciate when King of Paul says that he appreciates stuff.
	I appreciate him for defending me because a lot of this stuff is like, well, I can take it.
	I can take a lot of fucking smears from the media.
	I can take getting fucking censored over and over again.
	But a lot of this shit we need to really fucking move on with it.
	And Matt, we'll have our disagreements over personality and tactics.
	We will all have our disagreements on how this is going to go because, as I say, we are the consumer revolt.
	We're not going to see eye to eye on all of this.
	And I'm quite sad that King of Paul has actually left the stream because I do actually just think we should bury the hatchet and actually just iron out these differences rather than just going militant all the time whenever something just when something gets taken out of context.
	We're supposed to be the gamers.
	We're supposed to be the ones that shit talk each other to shit.
	And we're hung up on feet.
	Who knows?
	Who knows?
	Maybe I am pulling psyops on Mundane Matt here.
	Maybe this is all part of my plan.
	Rogue, Rogue, stop, right?
	That's not an argument, right?
	I'm sorry.
	No, no, no.
	I haven't seen any of this stuff.
	I don't know that Paul's wrong, okay?
	Neither do any of you.
	So I don't think you're in any position to start mocking any of you.
	And that's actually something that's kind of pissing me off a bit, right?
	Paul might have a point.
	We don't know that he doesn't have a point.
	But more than point, you're all saying, let's bury the hatchet, and then you're mocking him when he's not here.
	That's not conducive to burying any kind of hatchet.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm not mocking Paul, dude.
	I was mocking Mundane Matt.
	Yeah, he was mocking me.
	That's what that was all thing about.
	That wasn't even about the money.
	We're not mocking Paul.
	I kind of feel sorry for Paul because he's really stressed out, guys.
	If the 2,800 people, sorry, sorry.
	If the 2,000 or 3,000 people listening right now, just understand that King of Paul is going through a lot of stress, a lot of things on his mind.
	I mean, he's had the fucking fire trucks called on him for freaking Christ's sake.
	So the guy needs to rest.
	I've advised him to go rest numerous times on DM.
	So, I mean, everything that's said right now, just look at it from the perspective of this guy's really stressed out right now.
	And, you know, believe it or not, the guy needs our support.
	Yeah, that's basically what I think.
	The thing is, as soon as you start taking the piss out of one of us, then it becomes about your own ego.
	I am totally fine mocking the shit out of Movie Bob or any of the other twats on the other side of this.
	But as soon as we start doing that to our own, then we're going to lose.
	Then we just refocus.
	We get back to the task at hand.
	And we let everybody come to their conclusions.
	And we just go back to the trenches.
	We go back to the proper war because this shit is going to really fuck everything up if it's allowed to fester.
	I'll tell you what, we have so much ammunition right now, guys.
	I mean, let's start getting tactical.
	Let's not even worry about debating with anti-Gamergate at all.
	I mean, there's just so much ammo here, the FTC, the email campaigns, everything about Gawker.
	There's just so much ammunition out here, and it's not being used.
	Honestly.
	Okay, well, let's do something about that.
	I mean, what's the most important thing that you have there?
	All right.
	I'm looking at this from three angles.
	One of the angles that is close to me, and yes, it's my bias because I'm a game developer, is the corruption on the Indicate and the IGF, especially with the Polytron data that exposes a lot of this.
	That story, I've been trying to push it to games media publishing and something like as big as the Escapist.
	Yeah, I get cyber mobbed.
	So what I'm going to be doing with that is I'm going to have to take leadership on that action.
	And I am waiting for one critical thing that the IGF publishes every year.
	When that happens, you guys will know.
	Because I'm going to start bringing in independent game developers to this.
	Because it's time to get it done.
	This is the indie games exodus.
	It's going to be on me.
	I'm going to be one of the developers doing it.
	And just stand by on that one.
	The second issue, with Gawker, Vox Media, Gama Sutra, and all these other gamers are dead publications, people need to start being very tactical with their emails, especially with also the Twitter presence on this one.
	Because a lot of people are saying we need to hold back.
	We need to be easy and diplomatic.
	There's no more room for that.
	Guys, we need to step up on these boycotts.
	When you write your email to a particular company, copy that email over to a Twit longer, then tweet that company at the same time.
	This is one of the core things in Operation Vox Populi.
	It's just you email it, then you Twitter it.
	That way we maintain dominant presence both in Twitter and emails.
	I think that's actually quite a good piece of advice because a company can ignore or pretend to ignore a bunch of emails that come in if they want.
	But if thousands of people on Twitter all share an email that they've sent to the company saying, I want answers, they can't really ignore that.
	Yeah, it's going to saturate the Twitter feed.
	We need to saturate both.
	When you write your email, put it on a Twit longer.
	It's just a copy-paste.
	And there's tons of ways to do this.
	Another advice I have on these emails, avoid the Gamergate hashtag, any mention of that.
	Why?
	Because what they're doing now is they're starting to filter their emails.
	If it has any mention of Gamergate or the popular hashtags we've been doing, they're just going to auto-filter that.
	They have that set up for their systems.
	Do not let them filter you.
	Break through that filter.
	Do not put Gamergate anywhere on the email at all.
	Let's see.
	So that's another tactic from OpVox.
	But that's the Twitter and the email campaign tweaking.
	Another one is the FTC.
	Because obviously there's a lot of corruption and collusion and the fact that some of these people are not disclosing gifts.
	That's a FTC violation.
	There's also the false advertising, another FTC violation.
	So we need to get solid footing on what we need to do with the FTC besides complain to the FTC.
	I don't have time to research that, but people need to start making an Operation Disrespectful nod, something as organized with it, and start targeting and organizing everything we have on the FTC.
	Once we've gotten them with the FDC and the government, once we've gotten them with the advertisers, and once we've got them with independent game developers, we are moving the industry.
	I'll tell you that right now.
	We can make this last all winter, dude.
	And if anything else, I want to take Castle Gawker.
	Vox may survive, Gamma Sutra may start burning.
	I don't give a shit.
	But if we take Gawker down, think about it.
	Deadspin, that's sports tabloid.
	Defamer, that's Hollywood tabloid.
	What else?
	Jezebel, the goddamn baby.
	Jezebel.
	Going down.
	Yeah, there you go, Matt.
	We've got our common goal there.
	Jezebel is evil to me.
	And of course, Kotaku.
	Lights on Western Civilization.
	Yeah.
	So if we take Gawker down, everybody else will be pessing their pants, man.
	We take Gawker down, the rest of yellow journalism and the fucking internet goddamn live machine.
	Yeah, it is Mordor.
	It is freaking Mordor.
	Stephen Totillo is goddamn Sargon.
	Or Sargon.
	Not Sargon.
	Sargon.
	Goddamn Sargon.
	That's an accusation.
	And he doesn't sound like he's bald.
	There was a guy that was speaking on a stream that we were on last night.
	There was an ex-clickbait journalist.
	And he had some tactics basically that he put out to people.
	And there's 3,000 people in here that might be emailing, basically.
	And this is why he said: the best way to attack advertisers is to create a small image that would be the banner of the site that the company advertises on.
	Then paste a bunch of tweets, evidence of bullying, mocking, attacking, anything that had basically a bad public image that was attached then to their logo.
	And on the other side, just the website that put basically the company's advertisement there as well.
	So basically a collage that links it all back to the advertiser.
	And if people, you know, the people who make the boycott of the day could easily make these, you know, put in Sam Biddle's name next to Nissan or something, you know, with the bullying, you know, just highlighted their actual tweet just, you know, and of course, and then putting it, filtering out, retweeting it alongside an email to the company as well.
	You can't deny then that your company is then affected by that person's comments in public.
	You can't refute that, and their image is going to suffer.
	So we need to be like them.
	I actually really agree.
	I think that's a really great tactic.
	Having just like Mini Boy's tweet saying bring back bullying.
	I have a question, guys.
	A super serious question.
	Because we're so spread out on the boycotts.
	Is it prudent to say that, hey, let's focus on Gawker?
	Let's leave Vox Media alone.
	Let's leave Rock, Paper, Shotgun, Gama Sutra, who else, and all these other sites alone for now, and just focus fire on Gawker Media.
	Is that, I don't know.
	I've been thinking about it.
	I think there's benefit to it, but if we can focus everybody on Gawker right now, is that a proper tactic?
	It is a proper tactic.
	Sorry, just to add a caveat to what I was saying, if people wanted to actually do those image tweets, is not to actually attach either the hashtag as well.
	So it basically lends it more to the consumer and it doesn't have a frame of reference for them to argue with as well.
	So that's just another thing as well that this guy who wrote Clickbait, who successfully wrote Clickbait for years, actually was putting.
	But yeah, you know, if we actually all convert our efforts basically to Gorka, I have no problem with that.
	I think that'll be, you know, focus one at a time.
	They are certainly the root of a lot of evils.
	Yep.
	I mean, think about it, dude.
	Sports, film, games, Hollywood celebrities that get targeted.
	People don't remember that Gawker, the defamer site that they had, they took down Quinn and Tarantino's work that was in progress.
	Read up the story about the hateful 8 script and how that got leaked and how Gawker started a story on that one.
	And that hateful 8 script wasn't even complete.
	It was in progress and it disrupted a creative man's work.
	Sorry, just to get back to the Gorka thing very quickly.
	Sorry, I don't need to interrupt.
	There are plenty of other people who have had plenty of other run-ins with Gorka.
	Wasn't there a Jimmy Kimmel video going around the other day where he had a Gorka quote-unquote journalist on there, and she was just laughing in his face when he was saying, why did you lie about me?
	He might be worth contacting.
	It may well be worth putting feelers out to people who have also had run-ins with Gorka and would like to see Gorka suffer.
	What do you think?
	Sorry, run that by me again because I'm trying to focus this thought here.
	Yeah, not a problem.
	Gorka have been such a pain in the ass to so many people that it might be worth talking to some of, you know, just contacting some of those people that Gorka have previously gone after.
	Like, it was Jimmy Kimmel, wasn't it?
	Someone in the chat fucking tell me.
	Yeah, it was Jimmy Kimmel.
	Hulk Hogan.
	Hulk Hogan's one.
	Yeah.
	Olivia Munn.
	Yeah.
	Get contacting them.
	Tell them that you're part of a consumer revolt that is basically being victimized by Gorka and you'd like a signal boost if nothing else.
	I don't know.
	I don't know how they work.
	I don't know what the deal is with these people.
	We got Adam Bob one, dude.
	I mean, I guess we could ask.
	Exactly.
	There's no reason we couldn't at least ask.
	You don't get if you don't ask sort of things.
	So don't forget that there are lots of potential allies with a lot of potential clout who also are already predisposed to not like Gorka.
	Yeah, no problem.
	Never mind.
	Sorry, sorry.
	No, I know I've been pretty much quiet for others for about an hour or so, but probably the best way to hit them at the moment is to point out their illegal activities because they've been doing a lot of shit that is illegal.
	And that's probably the reason why Intel pulled out.
	I mean, Intel advertises on a lot of websites.
	And I highly doubt that they would just pull adverts from a site without really looking into it to a lot of depth.
	And I'm positive that they have a separate company that deals with the advertisements.
	And if they felt that there is a risk that Gorka and Kotaku could come under, and Gemasutra and these various other outlets could come under attack or they could become the victims of victims is the wrong word.
	They could be legal action taken against them possibly at a federal level, then it would make sense for Intel to pull out.
	So I think above all, we'll point out the illegal activities because that's one thing that corporations do not want to get involved with and do not want to be associated with when it comes to these websites.
	Yeah, if anyone has evidence of wrongdoing, I mean like direct legal wrongdoing on the part of Gorka, tweet me and I'll retweet that.
	Everyone should be aware of it and everyone should be referencing it in their emails.
	If we can get a nice concise and I hate to have say this, but we're going to have to do what they do and make sure that we have a strong narrative.
	So we can say, you know, on this date they did this, on that date they did that, and that breaks this law or this rule or whatever.
	And, you know, and just literally just a paragraph in an email.
	I know how to boost that, Sargon.
	Sorry?
	I know how to strengthen that signal.
	Right now, when you say ethics in games journalism, it's hard to dive to the average person, does it?
	Yeah, it says ethics.
	Ethics is a big word.
	When you say Gamergate exposes corruption in games media, it makes a lot of sense because you're not only looking at people who pretend to be journalists and also people who are corrupted journalists or just game journal pros, you're looking at everybody who does publish in games media.
	And right now, if we aim our sites at Gawker, it's not just a corruption in games media.
	That's just one part of it.
	Gawker is corruption in online media.
	Gawker is corruption incarnate.
	Yeah.
	Gorka is basically what is wrong with a lot of things.
	But yeah, basically, right, I think Gorka's a major player here, and I definitely recommend it.
	But just basically, someone's just said that Encyclopedia Dramatica of all places, don't get me wrong, I love ED, but I wouldn't tweet that link or send it to, you know, don't send that to the advertisers.
	Yeah, no.
	Oh, God.
	No, you don't go to ED for anything other than the lulz.
	Yeah, well, no, often I find that everything they post there is actually really accurate, but you couldn't show it to someone outside.
	Sargon, sorry to disrupt this, but Remy StreamMom wants to go on.
	Would you like to bring her on?
	Yeah, she's going to have to wait for a moment.
	I just want to wrap this bit up first.
	So yeah, but I can actually step out here because I got stuff to do.
	But I appreciate the talk here.
	Please start getting tactical.
	I believe we should focus on Gawker Media now.
	So I appreciate it, guys.
	Thank you.
	Okay, cheers, man.
	Yeah, see ya.
	Yeah, well, I think it is really important that you be able to literally declare what Gorka's crime is.
	You don't have to list all of them.
	I mean, maybe you can, but if it's just one thing that they have done that is illegal, that's good enough.
	That's very true.
	So I've been just to go back to what we were discussing earlier with what was being accused towards me.
	I had a little bit to look through everything, and I can address some of what was said.
	Yeah, go for it, man.
	That's okay.
	So in regards to what King of Paul was showing off in his video, which is about the one-hour 31-minute mark, he's a couple of screencaps from Skype, one of which has me using a paste bin link, which is actually, you can follow that link, and that takes you to what was Rogue Star's truncated version of OP Vox Populi.
	And that's what he was talking about with that.
	And that was, like I said before, I do most of my communications via the voice chat.
	So if I post anything in the actual chat, it's probably not in context with what's being said in the chat at the time.
	I don't always pay attention to that either.
	So that was going to that.
	So that's not personal information.
	That's not doxing anyone.
	That was actually a truncated version, which sounded okay.
	And then on the other thing, there was Wayfarer was saying can't find at Rogue Star Games.
	And then I typed out what his actual Twitter was.
	Wayfarer was actually trying to figure out what was going on with a sock puppet account that was pretending to be Rogue Star.
	And that's what that whole thing was about.
	So I typed in his actual thing.
	If you look again at it, for those of you who are watching the video, you notice that Wayfarer misspelled Rogue Star R-O-U-G-E instead of R-O-G-U-E.
	And then I corrected him with what he was looking for because he was trying to get information.
	Other than that, the other one, if you notice, Dimitri says right underneath that, Rogue Star L-O-L, that was with the R-O-U-G-E, was a troll account.
	So we were trying to figure out who a troll person was, a sock puppet account, in order to get more information on that.
	So other than that, the only other stuff coming up really is just that.
	So, no, there's no doxing, there's no attacks, there's no trolling.
	Collecting information about who people are who are attempting to act in that way is now being flung back is one thing.
	It's kind of ridiculous.
	Like I said, I do most of my communication via the voice chat.
	And so whatever's being said in the actual chat is not representative of what's being talked about at the time.
	It's very easy for things to come out of context.
	And, you know, even looking at the one imagery he's sending around with my name attached, my name's not even in that link at all.
	My screen name is not in there at all.
	It does have your name in it.
	I'll send it.
	I've looked at it again.
	It might say Matt or something, but it's like it's a different one.
	Hang on.
	Okay, because I'm getting the evidence one.
	I'm not seeing my name in.
	But there's another one, yeah, I like to address that as well.
	Yeah, I mean, I don't, it doesn't, I don't see that it's all that awful.
	See, here's the thing: people don't realize it's like, you know, when stuff's happening, people talk.
	They scramble to get information, and links get shared constantly.
	It's very, very, very easy for things to be taken out of context.
	And especially when you're looking for things to be taken out of context.
	And that's one of the problems that we're seeing here: we're seeing an attempt to make something bigger than what it is.
	And it's kind of sad because it's like this is stuff like bringing up the old stuff between Rogue and I, Sargon, you know, you were there.
	Rogue and I, we buried the hatchet.
	You guys all heard it.
	All 3,000 of you guys just heard it.
	That we buried the hatchet.
	We're cool.
	There's no beef here.
	And so why are we focusing on something that is in essence a non-issue?
	That should be the question here.
	Why are we being divided?
	Why are we being pushed in this direction?
	We should be focusing on Gawker media because they are the problem, and everything else.
	And if it's true, precisely what is being said that Nick Denton posted, which I do believe that King of Poll was accurate in that reporting, seemed like something Denton would do.
	I mean, we have to be careful.
	We have to make sure to not jump to conclusions because this is precisely what they want.
	They want us to jump to conclusions.
	And that's what's happening.
	No, I do agree.
	That's why my opinion is like, even if everything is true, going after it actually is what they want.
	And if the enemy wants something, you deny them it.
	You don't do what they want.
	So even if Gamergate is literally 100% fucking shills at this point, if every goddamn person in Gamergate is a shill, still just keep advertising emailing advertisers.
	It doesn't even matter.
	It doesn't even matter.
	Because at the end of the day, on their side, they're all still assholes.
	So, you know.
	Yes, that's very true.
	And the thing is, GamerGate's accomplished a lot.
	We've accomplished a great deal.
	And it requires multiple people's voices and multiple opinions.
	And sometimes those opinions clash.
	And those are best discussed privately than publicly.
	And I think we can all agree on that.
	Okay.
	I mean, is there anything that you think people might need to know, just in case?
	I mean, if anyone has any questions, I'm more than happy to answer them.
	That's just, you know, like, that's kind of why I came on.
	Yeah, I've got something.
	Yeah, I think.
	Oh, very briefly.
	I mean, maybe people just want some clarity then with regards to the agents of balance because I still understand that.
	I can totally explain that.
	I can totally explain that.
	Okay.
	Here's what happened.
	All right.
	100% truth.
	There was a guy going around emailing me and other people that was like, we are the agents of gaming balance.
	There's eight of us.
	We've been around for 10 years and shit.
	So that happened.
	Okay.
	And then one of the Skype calls that I'm in, the people that I'm friends with, we talked about it.
	We thought Gamergate needed a little bit of levity at the time.
	And so we just kind of said, let's have a little bit of fun with this.
	And we created it as more of kind of a joke.
	It's dumb in retrospect.
	But there really was a person that was tweeting it out.
	I had nothing to do with any of the Twitter accounts that popped up.
	I just did the video and everything.
	But that's all it was.
	It was something corny because someone was trying to have a little bit of fun, and we were trying to have a little bit of fun back with that person.
	It's dumb, childish shit, to tell you guys the honest truth.
	But that's all it was.
	It was nothing nefarious, nothing mean-spirited.
	Just like, you know, this is like the level of crazy we feel like we're dealing with in terms of Gamergate from the other side of what's coming out of the woodwork, so to speak.
	Yeah, I actually kind of got the impression that it was probably a bit juvenile, just shit posting on Skype.
	But sorry, go ahead.
	Yeah, I just wanted to say, I don't think we're going to immediately rebuild these bridges with Pole.
	I'd like to, just because, you know, every side of the movement comes at this from a different sort of angle.
	And hopefully we just can see past this.
	I know that I think we should, you know, even if it is a bit sort of, this was always a fear of mine is that we'd become, we'd stare too long at the abyss and we become what we originally were fighting against, nepotism corruption, sex for favour as well.
	You know, we just we uh, we just um, we don't want to become them, do we?
	No, you know, and I think, and I think part of this just because if you're vocal in, in in Gamergate, like you do have a lot of attention on you, and if you, if you speak out of line uh, I guess to some people they, they come at you pretty hard.
	You know, like um, back right before we were Gamergate um, this is one of the things that gets it gets, it gets thrown about.
	Me quite a bit is I was trying to sell t-shirts to make money.
	That's something that gets said to me all the time.
	Um, I thought in my stupid, Stupid humor before we were Gamergate officially.
	Like, we were still in the conspiracy, and there was still, you know, it didn't feel like it was becoming something bigger.
	In a dumb move, I created a fake t-shirt PNG, like an iron-on transfer PNG, that you could download and print for free and wear.
	It was just five guys, burgers, and lies on it, and like for people they wanted to wear it to packs or some shit like that.
	And it was stupid.
	It was stupid because I do stupid stuff all the time.
	But that's what it was.
	And it was a joke and it was dumb.
	But people have got it in their mind that I was attempting to sell these things.
	And I'm like, oh, not at all.
	I get called a shill all the time, which is to be expected.
	But it's like, no, I'm not trying to make money on this.
	There was nothing.
	It was all free.
	And that's kind of what happens.
	Believe me, when that happened, I had the 4chan guys up my ass with a microscope.
	You can go find that on my blog, and you'll look at the discuss page, and you'll see hundreds of messages from people on discuss saying this is a horrible idea.
	You know what I mean?
	And they were on me about that.
	And so I understand that if you say something that you might think is funny or you might think is going to bring levity, others might not think that way, which is why those of us who talk openly about this and frequently about this, we kind of have to adhere to maybe a different mentality about it simply because more people are watching us and they kind of look to us to continue spreading the word.
	And it can cause some problems if you start getting too much of it.
	And that can cause some reactions that aren't the best when you start getting shit on like that by people that you thought were on your side.
	And it just, that's where it's like, you know, I think just taking, you know, like having people to talk to and taking a step back for a day or so and coming back into it refreshed is something that I think a lot of us should probably do more often.
	I mean, there is a part of that conversation that's going up at the moment in the chat, Mundana saying, I don't like, this was from, I'm not going to read the name out, actually.
	I don't like spreading false flag on rogue idea, Matt.
	I get where you're coming from, but that's not good for us.
	I never spread false flag about rogue star.
	Hold on, hold on.
	I know what he's talking about because there's a paste bin.
	Actually, both Sargon and I put it in the private chat for this Hangout.
	If you open it up and go down to.
	I mean, I'm not accusing him.
	I'm just addressing the chat.
	This is my question too.
	This is something that I want to know.
	You go down to 10, 6, 2014 at 6.24 p.m.
	There's a message from you, Mundane Matt, that was later deleted.
	And then the reply to that was, I don't like the spreading a false flag on rogue idea, Matt.
	So the way it looks without any kind of explanation or commentary from you, it looks like you said something about that and then later deleted it because maybe it looked bad.
	So what's the scoop?
	Let's see here.
	Honestly, okay, so I remember, honestly, I can't tell you guys what that is.
	I don't remember.
	It might have been something that, because you find stuff, you link stuff.
	You know what I mean?
	Like looking through, like, I know, you know what it was?
	Okay, so there was a thread, I think, around the Same time, and I don't have my dates.
	I do apologize.
	I don't keep that detailed notes.
	That popped up on, I believe it was 8chan on GG.
	There was a thread that popped up that had talked about Rogue Star, and I might have linked to something from that, and then it might have been fake or something, and then I deleted it.
	That's kind of what I'm remembering.
	No, there's I can understand how that would look like that, but it's like it's you know, I removed it because it wasn't accurate, is essentially what I, you know, it's it's it can, you know, again, I cock in the voice chat, and so if I post in the in the chat here, you look like I don't pop up again until what is it, like 6.36 somewhere in there, so 12 minutes later is when I pop up again in the chat because I'm not talking in the chat.
	So stuff can easily be taken out of context.
	It can easily be misconstrued by looking at it from this perspective.
	It can.
	I mean, perspective is everything, but I mean, the thing is, right?
	I mean, nobody's going to agree with everybody here, but I think everybody should just realize the old phrase is, you know, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, you know?
	Yeah, yeah.
	But I mean, if you look, if you look here too, it says at 6.2403 p.m., I was posted, and then I removed it like 48 seconds later.
	So if it's something that I'm running that is that is obviously fake or it's meant to be malicious, I would have kept it up for longer than 48 seconds.
	You know, like if that's if I'm trying to keep that around for people to see, right?
	Like that I can't, I don't remember the exact context, but I removed it 48 seconds later.
	That's written right there.
	So I don't know.
	I mean, you can, but I don't remember it.
	Hey, I don't mean to interrupt here, guys.
	Listen, so I've been talking with some people, with some journalists and stuff like that, and one of the people from that Skype group wants to testify and verify, or at least anonymously, the majority of what I had to show and say as true.
	The majority, not all of it, but the majority of it to be as truth.
	Now, you can take that for what you will, and he is talking to a journalist right now.
	So whether or not you want to believe that is not true or not, you want to lie, because I can't stand fucking liars.
	I agree with you.
	I agree with you.
	I can't stand liars either, right?
	But the thing is, how does this help take down Gorka?
	Well, listen, listen.
	You want to talk about it while this issue?
	I don't, man.
	It doesn't take down Gawker.
	It gets rid of the people who have been causing issues so we can focus on the problem in hand.
	This is how I look at it.
	If you're going to do the same, if you're going to allow people in Gamergate, who are prominent faces to do the same thing that Literally Who has done and other people like that and say they can't do it, but we can, that is a problem in my eyes.
	You at least, and you need to at least address these things and own up to what it is.
	If you're going to lie about it and try to cover it up more and act literally like a literally who, then that's a problem in my eyes.
	And if you're going to do that, that's fine.
	But I personally don't agree that that is appropriate at all.
	I think it's distasteful.
	It's dishonest, for one, but I think it's distasteful.
	And more importantly, I don't believe if we're going to be here for journalist integrity and all this kind of shit, we're going to be hypocrites and do the opposite of what we say and do, then that's fine.
	But I literally went out of my way to get one of those people, and they're really talking to a journalist at this time, just shooting the shit for now about it.
	But they testified to the majority of what I had to say.
	The majority.
	The logs are there.
	The logs are there.
	And I have somebody testifying from that group that a majority of what I had to say was correct.
	So if you don't agree or don't want to say anything like that, that's fine.
	I understand that.
	And that's all I have to say.
	And out of respect to Rogue, I said I was done after that.
	But just to let you know that the facts are the facts and you cannot lie about it.
	And I don't agree that you can be a hypocrite and you let one side do one thing, but another can't do one thing.
	That's all I think about it.
	I'm nobody in that, but that's not.
	That's on record then, man.
	That's on record.
	Everyone, and that, that's, and I'm not saying I agree or disagree.
	I want the conversation to move past that now because that's something that you and Matt can deal with on Twitter so the public can see it, people can see exactly what you're saying to each other.
	That's something you guys can deal with personally because I agree.
	Matt might well have posted something that's actually fucking stupid, but that might well be the reason that 48 seconds later he removed it.
	I don't know.
	I really don't know.
	And I'm not saying you're wrong, man.
	I really don't know.
	That's a fair analogy.
	But you could say that, but that's just cherry-picking.
	You have to read the whole thing in front and do it all.
	If you read the whole thing and you get the context of that, and then you go all the way back from the beginning, all the way to the synthesis line stuff, and start from there, and then read all the way through it, and you get a very idea, a very good idea of where it goes.
	So I can understand that.
	He might say one thing out of context and do that.
	That's understandable.
	That's cherry-picking.
	That's not journalism.
	You go through the whole thing and you do it as a video.
	The facts are the facts.
	You can't deny the facts.
	In my opinion, after that, I just do not agree that we can be hypocrites and do one thing when I say another.
	If we're going to talk about Gamergate Harassment Patrol, quote unquote, then we might as well just clean up our fucking acts where they are and not lie.
	And it would be much easier if someone just owns it instead of having to get somebody to testify against that person like it's a courtroom.
	That's fucking disgusting.
	That it has to go that far.
	I do agree that we should be introspective and we should look at what we're doing.
	But I think the way that we're going about it is particularly wrong.
	That's my problem with this.
	We should be introspective.
	That's it.
	That's all I had to say, man.
	Yeah, I know.
	Just don't let liars.
	Don't lie.
	Just own your shit.
	Don't lie.
	You can't sit here and say you could do one thing but allow another.
	It just does not work.
	That if the premise of Gamergate is to show that we are not like that, and then we're going to say, but it's okay if one of us do it, then I'm sorry.
	There is no one of us.
	That's the problem.
	That's the difference.
	You can't make anyone leave Gamergate.
	You can't do that.
	No one says that.
	You can make someone leave Gorka.
	But that's the point.
	And I agree that you should call out when you have it, man.
	So, you know, tweet that to Monday Matt, and then Monday Matt can read the evidence, and he can tweet back, this is my statement in a paste bin or whatever.
	And you can have a public debate about it that people can see.
	It can be very much above board.
	Everyone can see it.
	They can see exactly what you're saying.
	And if it turns out that anyone needs to make an apology, I'm sure that you are both big enough adults to say, you know what, maybe I was wrong.
	I'll apologize.
	And that's the right thing to do.
	The only thing I'll apologize to, I guess, in a sense, is I don't think I have to apologize for anything, to be honest with you.
	I just think that it's wrong.
	It's just wrong.
	And it just doesn't make sense in my eyes.
	There is no dividing or anything like that.
	Emails will be emails, and there is no us, right?
	No one's saying that we can make one of us leave.
	I never said that.
	Those words never were applied.
	But to just finish that up, all I'm saying is if people lie and are going to do the same thing as a literally who, and we are going to say we are not for that, we are against that kind of stuff.
	We're against corruption and collusion.
	And we're against this and that.
	Whether or not we're journalists or not, that is what we say we stand for.
	That is what we say we do.
	At least we're Gamergate.
	If you use the tag, you're using the Gamergate tag, then at least own up to the shit you're doing instead of acting like a literally who.
	It's disgusting.
	It's deplorable.
	And the fact that anybody else sits here and goes, oh, it's okay, guys.
	Let's just brush it into a butt.
	We'll just pat it all down and put it on the rug.
	This isn't going to destroy Gamergate.
	The emails are still going to go.
	Hulu is going to still drop from Docker.
	Docker is still going to be on fire.
	And Garma Sutra and Polygon are still going to shit in their pants.
	But the point is that the facts are the facts, and you can't dictate that.
	To shove shit under the rug instead of addressing it and own up to your mistakes is something that is abhorrent.
	I've had to do it many times.
	Everybody else has had to do it many times.
	I don't think no one gets a fucking free pass.
	The one thing, Paul, though, is I would like you at least to just say on record that there are people at the moment that are getting attacked that have nothing, you know, are not shills, that are for some reason getting.
	I'll address that perfectly.
	If there is people being attacked that are not on the list of the 15 people that were on the list, then I am sorry.
	Do not attack people.
	And I said I was not for harassment or doxing in the beginning with.
	I've never done it.
	And that wasn't the intent.
	The intent was to show you the people who were doing things that are important, that we should probably be careful of.
	So you know from now on why there is infighting happening and where to nip it at the bud, where to leave it alone.
	And so we can continue on with emails.
	The fact that it's still going on is, is and uh is okay, and I I don't know why it's still going on.
	We got the statements from mundane matt.
	He think he doesn't remember it, he doesn't know what happened and he doesn't believe in the evidence.
	He doesn't want to watch the video.
	I get it, that's fine.
	It's his choice.
	There's nobody saying he can't say his choice.
	But now, on top of that, on top of that, there should be nobody harassing anybody.
	Nobody's suggesting that.
	No one implied that.
	Nobody said that.
	But if yet, but that's, that's not the case.
	If we're going to sit here and talk about how we are not one thing, we cannot be hypocrites and do another.
	It is not right, it's not fair, and we should not do that to the people who think that is fair and that's all.
	No, I understand.
	Thank you for thank you, for at least you know telling people to stop, because i've got at the moment.
	I hope they weren't doing it.
	I said that on my stream that that was not the case of this.
	It was never the case.
	We said that with Sargon on there and Oliver Campbell.
	No one promoted harassment or attacking people, and we said that right in the beginning, all the way to the end.
	Well, what's going on at the moment?
	Paul is, uh, there's about 50 people that are getting attacked on ASK FM and stuff like that.
	Right, that's fine, but i'm sorry that happened.
	I can't help that.
	The only thing that closest to saying attacking people is.
	I told everybody to block those people so you know who they are.
	From now on, remove them and continue sending emails.
	Nothing else came out from that following Author Campbell speech about how we need to focus on emails and then going into the FBI stuff.
	That's fine.
	Okay, thank you for coming record anyway, thank you.
	So yeah, that's all I have to say and i'll let it go for because rogue's done with it now.
	But the point of the matter is is that it shouldn't have to take that much for somebody to own up to the fucking shit and and we should not be doing the same shit that the other side does that we get accused of all the time.
	It's not fucking right and it should be addressed.
	And own up to your mistakes.
	They don't own it.
	At least we can.
	So just own it.
	Just own it.
	That's all I have to say.
	Don't, don't sugarcoat it, don't deny it, just own it.
	If it's there and it's true, then let's own it.
	That's all I have to say on that.
	It's not right it, even though it's distasteful.
	And so I agree, I agree well.
	Well pool, can I ask you uh, just a question if you don't mind?
	Yeah man, go ahead.
	Um, you said that your, your contact in that group, said that most of your stuff was correct.
	That you said on the stream, yeah yeah, what was incorrect?
	Uh, to be, to be exact, the stuff that was incorrect was some of the pace bins.
	The one that was the feminist frequency was wrong.
	Obviously, we found that out ourselves.
	Uh, another couple pace bins were things that were not relevant to the situation.
	Um, and he could god what was it?
	And there wasn't on paper, confirmed.
	Uh, of what's it called?
	Uh, trying to remember the name because i'm so tired.
	I'm sorry.
	I've been up since yesterday um, and I worked all night.
	Uh, the SOCK pub accounts.
	He said that if there was talk about it, but there was no uh, there was no um no, nothing written on solid stone saying sock pub accounts.
	That's about.
	That's about most of it, but the rest he did confirm for.
	But yeah because, like to be fair, when I went back I watched the Recording of your stream, I didn't catch all of it.
	When I went back and I saw it, it did seem pretty damning against Mundane Matt.
	But I also was like, maybe we should ask Matt about it and see what he has to say.
	That's fine.
	That's fine.
	And it would have been fine if he just said yes, but he lied.
	So that's the problem.
	But that's it.
	If he wants to lie, he lies.
	People know, and the facts are the facts.
	That's what it is.
	What did I lie about?
	What did I lie about?
	Tell me specifically what I lied about, and I will.
	You denied it all.
	You denied it all, dude.
	You still have to say that.
	I said that a post that happened a month ago today.
	I'm sorry that I don't remember what I wrote in a chat a month ago today.
	I can't tell you what I had for dinner a month ago today.
	You have a group just as much as I do on your Skype.
	It doesn't take you two minutes to go through it.
	It didn't take me two minutes to go through it.
	It's still there on your Skype group.
	You can always scroll down and look at it.
	It doesn't go away from Skype.
	No, it does because the Skype call moves from person to person depending on who you are.
	I have every single one of those, and I left all of those, yet I still have them.
	So that's a bold-faced lie again.
	It doesn't actually been the same thing.
	Because I have a weird OCD about not liking extra content open on my Skype.
	I remove and delete calls I'm not in because I don't want to get constantly notified about those calls.
	So I remove myself and then I delete them.
	So I only have one or two active calls going at any time.
	So I don't have anything from a month ago on my system.
	I delete it.
	I purge it.
	I move on.
	That's what I do for everything.
	Okay, well, then I guess you just forgot.
	You didn't lie.
	You just forgot.
	I understand what it might look like.
	I get that.
	And I understand you're trying to find the fox in the hen house.
	I understand that you're on the same time.
	Don't say it.
	Don't say that.
	If you're accusing me, if you're accusing me, no, no, I'm not lying.
	I'm not lying.
	You're making accusations, and I'm honestly telling you that something I posted and then defeated 48 seconds later, I can't tell you what it was.
	I'm sorry, I don't remember.
	That's all I can say.
	But you're trying to make it out like I'm some conspirator that I'm trying to bring GG down from within, which is not the case whatsoever.
	I mean, I've been here for a while, and I've been here since, well, being told shill and all sorts of other things multiple times for the past couple months, and I've been doing what I'm doing, and that's just how it is.
	I'm sorry that you don't feel that what I've done is fine.
	That's up to you.
	What you haven't done or done is.
	You have your accusations.
	I believe I'm addressing them.
	The information that you posted, I found nothing in there to even remotely warrant.
	As for the video, I found it at one hour, 31 minutes, and I believe 22 seconds is the part where you mentioned that.
	Looking over the screen caps of the information once again, found nothing in there that even remotely mentioned that I just addressed before you came back on the stream.
	So I get where you're coming from, dude.
	I'm sorry, you're wrong.
	And I'm going to tell you that you're wrong.
	And you can call me a liar.
	You can do all these things because you're going to do it regardless.
	And that's just how it is.
	But I want people to know that you're coming at me and I'm being here completely.
	I'm calm and honest about it.
	I looked over the information.
	I'm sorry that I can't remember.
	And that's going to have to be that because everything else I've done is out there and it's public and you don't like it.
	That's on you.
	But I've done what I've done and you've done what you've done and that's where we are.
	So why don't we just focus on moving forward and continuing instead of going back on this old stuff and dragging up old drama that's been put to bed?
	Because that's it.
	Because by bringing up the roguestar stuff, you're just trying to incite drama and cause more rift and divide.
	And that is more telling of character than anything else.
	Well, okay, shift the goal.
	I get it.
	I get it.
	You forgot and you didn't do anything.
	You want to shift the goalpost and it's all me.
	I present facts, but you just didn't see it.
	You forgot.
	I get it, man.
	It's all right.
	Nobody came at you, bro.
	You guys brought this shit along a time ago to me.
	But I never was going to do it until you guys had to tell me you want to kill me.
	So that was nice.
	But I get it.
	It's okay.
	That's fine.
	I'll just talk to that journalist and that guy who went for nothing.
	So this guy's a lie piece of shit, man, and I can't stand liars.
	I'm sorry.
	But a lying piece of shit here in LA, but there's nothing in the social justice warrior.
	It's nothing better than a Libbly Who.
	And that's all I have to say on that.
	The fact's the fact.
	You can lie on anyone about it, but there it is.
	That's it.
	Take it easy.
	Okay, well, first off, when you're addressing something as severe as a death threat and you attach my name into that death threat.
	Sorry, I don't mean to be so loud.
	If you're trying to attach my name to a death threat with absolutely no context whatsoever, that is absolutely abhorrent.
	It's ridiculous.
	It's disgusting.
	It's disgusting.
	And if any of you out there listening right now listen to that shit and you believe that shit, fuck you.
	Because this is disgusting crap right here.
	These are the tactics that are being used against us right now.
	Yeah, yeah, okay.
	I've never made a death threat.
	I abhor death threats.
	No, no, no.
	I don't think he said that he made a death threat.
	No, no, he said I'm in the group that made a death threat.
	He directly insinuated that I was a part of it.
	That was a direct insinuation of that.
	Right, okay.
	Well, I don't, I think that tempers are flaring a little bit.
	I don't think I'm sure that Paul doesn't actually think you support death threats.
	Well, then he needs to issue an apology for that because I take that as an absolute accusation.
	Okay, well, offense is never given.
	It's always taken, isn't it?
	Very much so, but I believe that, you know, whatever, man.
	That's fucked up.
	That's fucked up.
	Let's, you know, I think he's been under a lot of stress.
	He's been attacked a lot.
	He hasn't slept that much.
	If it were me, I would just be like, okay, well, I'm sorry you feel that way.
	You know what I mean?
	I wouldn't take offense.
	Just take it easy, I think.
	I think everyone needs to, don't they?
	Well, I think we need to refer to our Lord and Saviour, apparently, Adam Baldwin.
	He says the strength of Gamergate comes not from a handful of well-known people, but from the mass of unknowns that comprise it.
	And I think that's the message that we're trying to get along here as well.
	Yeah, I agree, man.
	I think that's really what the it is, the strength, isn't it?
	It's what's going to lead us to the win.
	So I think we should focus.
	I think I'll probably wrap the stream up here as well.
	So just as a last thing, then, what we should do is don't worry so much about infighting.
	If you guys, you know, if you as a person have a problem with another member of Gamergate as a person, and you can't resolve it, just block each other.
	You know, just ignore each other.
	Just carry on doing what you do that's good for Gamergate.
	Because everyone's got different skills.
	Everyone has different areas of expertise and they come from different walks of life.
	And I'm not surprised that there are so many people who are currently rubbing abrasively against each other thinking, fuck, I just cannot stand this other person.
	There's something about them that winds me up.
	Whatever.
	I'm not surprised.
	But at the end of the day, it's like you said, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
	And we've all got a much fucking bigger enemy in Gorka.
	So let's, you know, let's just fucking get focused, stay the course, and bring these bastards down.

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