Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin - A Conversation with #GamerGate and #NotYourShield (28⧸10⧸2014)

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Oct. 28, 2014 - Sargon of Akkad - Carl Benjamin

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A Conversation with #GamerGate and #NotYourShield (28⧸10⧸2014)

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	Hello everyone.
	Thought we'd do another conversation with Gamergate.
	So the format will be if you want contact at Curbs101 on Twitter, he'll follow you and he will send you a message with a link to join the Hangouts.
	Obviously please don't share it with anyone else.
	And it's first come, first serve, traditional British queuing system.
	So you have to wait your turn before it, I'm afraid.
	But yeah, how's it going, guys?
	I'm looking at the chat.
	I'm aware that Brianna Wu did used to be a man, apparently.
	Don't know why she's the topic of conversation, but you know, what are you going to do?
	When they get homeless people on TV, then, you know.
	I love her hit piece.
	Oh, my God, this is such a hit piece.
	And it's like, but because he's asking you questions, that's the softest hit piece I've ever seen in my life.
	She's never done a proper interview in her life, I guess, before.
	She just shouted at people.
	Yeah, she's just been mollycoddled by the press, hasn't she?
	Because she plays into their agenda.
	Nothing like being the victim.
	Right, did we have anyone we wanted to bring on?
	Yeah, I'm just sending it now to the first one.
	A person that actually remembered the format.
	Sushi Moose Salmon.
	Yeah.
	Just a note to everybody, just make sure you've got the Google Hangout app ready and you are ready to jump on.
	There we go.
	There's the first one.
	Hi, Sushi.
	How's it going?
	Hello.
	Sorry.
	Excuse me.
	I didn't expect to be the first person on.
	Not a problem.
	And I'm a little bit nervous.
	You must excuse me.
	First, I wanted to say thank you for having me on the show, both to you and Kirbs.
	I've had a friend who worked in radio production, and he's told me many stories about how difficult it is to run a show, especially a call-in show, and especially when the technology might not exactly be up to par, such as with Google Hangouts.
	That's okay.
	What did you want to say?
	Well, aside from that, I also wanted to thank you and the many other people involved in this for taking the time to stand up for the average gamer who doesn't appreciate being assaulted and slandered and labeled misogynists, most especially when we are a such diverse community that have dealt with so many instances of bullying throughout our own lives.
	And it feels like such a kicking us when we're down and we've been down for most of our lives.
	And it's terribly painful.
	Yeah, Jimmy Thompson's people walks of life.
	Yes.
	That said, I've been following the streams in Gamergate for probably the better part of two weeks now.
	And I've followed Total Biscuit for probably about three years.
	And I took particular note in the stream on Internet Aristocrats channel where both you and he participated.
	And when you were bringing up the things about cultural Marxism, he later commented that it seemed a little bit tinfoily to him about cultural Marxism and Digra.
	And he later clarified in a Twitlonger post that he felt he mainly was saying that because he wasn't as well informed on the subject.
	And I think one of the most important things I've seen come out of Gamergate, especially in a Kotaku in action, is trust but verify.
	So when you say that cultural Marxism is a problem and Digra is pushing a particular agenda in the gaming world, and I do see hints of that myself, I trust you from the things that you've said and done that you are probably coming from a good place, but I'm having a difficult time trying to verify those statements you are.
	Mainly, I don't know what Digra is, and I don't know what cultural Marxism is.
	And I would hope that you could take some time to sort of explain what those are so we can better understand where your views are coming from about cultural Marxism, what it is, and why it could potentially be a bad influence on the gaming world.
	I've done a few videos on it.
	Have you seen them?
	I haven't seen them.
	I have to say that I haven't.
	I'm coming into this a bit late.
	As I said, I've only been really following this for two weeks.
	So I can't say that I have.
	Well, what I'd recommend, if someone on Twitter, what's your Twitter handle?
	It's the same thing as it's sushi no salmon, S-U-S-H-I-N-O-S-A-A-M-O-N.
	Kirbs obviously has me on there.
	Yeah, if someone doesn't mind tweeting the how Diagra caused the end of gamers video I did, I'd really appreciate that.
	I've got a lot going on and I don't want to tax my internet connection at the moment.
	But if someone wants to do that, that would be wonderful because I can completely, I'm absolutely certain that the evidence we have is rock solid and no one's even tried to debunk it so far.
	In fact, Diagra have come out full feminist saying that there's no problem with that.
	So, I mean, we disagree on that point, Diagra, but that's their position.
	And I just want to say, I completely respect Total Biscuit's position.
	That would be exactly the position I would take in the same circumstances.
	Like he said, he doesn't know anything about it.
	He's not been given any information about it.
	So it does sound tinfoil.
	That's the problem with it.
	It does sound kind of crazy.
	So I completely, completely respect his position on that.
	And I would do exactly the same thing.
	In fact, I would expect nothing less.
	If you were to go back in time, say two or three years, and somebody were to say that the United States government was monitoring all communications on the internet and telephones, people probably would have called you pretty tinfoil then as well.
	And then Edward Snowden brought up a whole bunch of documents that showed as crazy as it sounds, that's exactly the case.
	I think primarily the problem has been is that you've said many times cultural Marxism, and I've only dug into it a little bit and had a difficult time understanding it.
	And perhaps when you bring that up, you should make a point of saying, I've done a video on this that explains what this is, what these links are, and what exactly it means when I'm saying cultural Marxism.
	I'll watch your video after the stream is over and I will make an effort myself to understand it.
	But when you say cultural Marxism, all I hear is Marxism.
	And I don't really understand it beyond that, just coming in from the outside.
	And I think it's one of the things that may be mildly hurting you and the things you say because people don't understand and then they think this sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory.
	You know what I mean?
	I think that's a great point.
	Yeah, no, I think that's a really good point.
	I'll cover it later on when we're not doing a call-in show.
	But basically, it's social engineering.
	They've got a desired goal in mind, and they're prepared to take the actions they need to take to engineer the situation that we're currently finding ourselves in towards those ends.
	I mean, it was a member of Digra who specifically coined the term the end of gamers.
	And they all link all of the Gamers Are Over articles, or at least most of them, link directly to this academic paper by a person called Adrian Shaw, who's from Diagra.
	And she's an academic feminist who repeatedly goes on about how she can get feminism into gaming.
	And this is effectively what it is.
	Okay, I have a slightly better understanding of it now.
	Thank you.
	The only other thing I wanted to say was I believe it was brought up on Achan that we seem to be lacking in information that is easier to understand.
	Now, someone like you or I, we may be interested in a topic and go read about it and watch videos about it and take opposing views into consideration.
	But especially in today's mainstream media landscape, that may not necessarily be the case.
	People will take things at face value.
	So I think it's very important to try to explain the things that we are dealing with today in Gamergate as concisely as possible.
	I'm going to be going through the articles myself and watching your video and making an attempt to see if there's some sort of tiny images I can put together that clearly shows these links so somebody can look at it and say that's what Sargon means about Digra.
	That's what Sargon means about cultural Marxism.
	And we really need more people doing things like that, explaining what exactly is going on in as simple of a way possible with sources so people can look into it if they want to.
	Yeah, I fully agree.
	I mean, in my videos, I have tried to keep the Digra ones fairly concise.
	And all of the sources are listed in the description if you feel the need to go through them.
	And I would strongly recommend people do because there's a lot in them that I leave out just for brevity's sake.
	But you wouldn't believe the sort of stuff they're trying to push.
	You wouldn't believe it.
	Or at least I didn't look until I saw it.
	But yeah, if that's everything, mate.
	It is.
	Thank you very much for having me on, and thank you for everything you're doing for us.
	You're giving people who don't have a voice a voice, and it is very much appreciated.
	And the same to you, Kirbs.
	No problem.
	Right, I'm waiting for the next chat.
	If everybody that does come in, when they come in, if they could leave the Hangout just to make space, there we go.
	Cheers, Sushi.
	Just waiting for the next one.
	I've sent a couple of messages out.
	People keep saying Total Biscuit wants to come on the stream.
	Being British, I'm sure he understands the merits of a queuing system.
	But you've got to contact Kerbs, mate.
	I'd love to have you on, though.
	Ah, there's our next guest.
	Brendan.
	Hello?
	Hello.
	How's it going?
	Oh, Brendan, you can unmute your mic.
	You're the next person in.
	I'm sorry.
	I've never done this hangout on air thing before.
	Just Skype for me.
	How's it going?
	Well, you know, can people, sorry, can people see me on YouTube with my head?
	I better lower that a bit then.
	Hi, I'm sorry I'm spilling spaghetti as much as King of Paul right now.
	I just wanted to come on and talk about.
	I don't know if any of you who are watching us have ever seen it, but I uploaded a video a little while ago.
	I am at Deadwing Duck on Twitter and on YouTube.
	I uploaded a video a little while ago where I talked about sort of the need for optimism in the Gamergate community.
	I felt that there were a lot of people who were sort of getting down about being attacked so frequently by the media and such.
	And I just felt like there's this definite feeling of like if they're attacking us so much, we must be winning.
	You know, we are doing such a good job.
	They are so scared of us.
	And so, you know, it's something that I just wanted to basically address was that there are a lot of people who I've noticed, personal friends of mine who have said, like, I am leaving Gamergate for a little while.
	I am, you know, I can't deal with this.
	I need to, it's getting too much for me.
	And I kind of understand that, but at the same time, I sort of feel like we are doing such a good job right now.
	We are doing this so well that it kind of feels like we really sort of need to stick this out.
	The more they try to write hit pieces and stuff like that, the more it seems obvious to me that we are doing exactly what we're supposed to be doing.
	Yeah, I completely agree.
	I think that the important thing is to not worry about being attacked.
	They attack everyone.
	There isn't a faction that these people don't attack.
	Even the guy from the Huffington Post was attacked by them.
	I mean, there is no limit.
	There is no limit.
	Internet aristocracy.
	That's right.
	We're kicking their faces in.
	We are stomping them all over the place.
	And they're panicking.
	Everyone knows it.
	Everyone can see it.
	Which is why they're getting so frankly aggressive on national and international TV.
	Yeah.
	I mean, they, like, you can see today with MSNBC, they brought out Christina Hoff Summers for, you know, about a grand total of maybe two minutes.
	And there was actually a tweet a little while ago.
	This guy, what is his name, Ronan Farrell?
	He said, you know, I gave equal time to Gamergate defender C.H. Summers.
	And, like, no, you didn't.
	No, you fucking didn't.
	You spent almost as much time covering Christina Summers as you did showing the fucking clip with literally who.
	You didn't fucking give equal time to that.
	And that's another thing I wanted to bring up.
	I'm sorry?
	There's a definite bias there.
	Sorry, go on, please.
	Yeah.
	I was just going to say that another thing I wanted to bring up was that basically it's hard for me to say this because I am unfortunately white.
	I'm a white man.
	I am afraid.
	I'm sorry that I have a penis, but I do.
	And here's the thing.
	Speaking as just a member of Gamergate, I feel like I can sort of say for a lot of people that we don't care about Zoe Quinn at all.
	Don't care about Brianna Wu.
	The only reason we ever bring them up is because they keep trying to put themselves into the movement.
	Because other people keep trying to put them into the movement.
	The only time they're ever brought up anymore, especially like Anita Sarkeesian, who has nothing to fucking do with this at all, the only time she's ever brought up anymore is when articles run against Gamergate try to bring her in to fit their narrative.
	We are not actually talking about these people except to make fun of them, usually not even associated with the hashtag.
	We are not actually bringing these people up at all because they don't matter.
	They are not important.
	And the only reason, like they're being used as basically like meat shields.
	They're being used as, you know, journalists who, you know, like, like, the thing is, they are, we are attacking their livelihood.
	We are attacking the livelihood of these journalists.
	These people that are running the hit pieces, these people that are, you know, saying that we're all about misogyny and hatred.
	And so the fact that people still believe that, and I mean, it's just kind of this ironic thing where it's like people believe that Gamergate is, you know, all hateful misogyny.
	But when you really get right down to it, it's like you are being told this by the people that we are rallying against.
	Of course they're going to fucking tell you that we're hateful misogynists.
	Of course they're going to fucking paint us as a hate movement.
	Like, why the fuck wouldn't they?
	That's them doing their job.
	Yeah, I think that's a really great point, actually.
	We are actually directly going after their livelihood.
	So there's no wonder that they're going to pull anything out of the bag to stop us.
	But the free market will compensate, I'm sure.
	They'll have their little San Francisco-based, I don't even know if we can call them games, but we will for brevity.
	They'll have that and the market will adjust and it will turn out that they're not worth all that much.
	Right.
	Yeah.
	I mean, you know, it's just this.
	I mean, the way I see it is like this.
	The more they run hit pieces and stuff like that, the more they kind of think that, you know, their audience is just, they're just the stupidest people in the world.
	Like, that's pretty much what they think.
	They think we're the dumbest people in the world.
	They think they can just lie to us as much as they want and throw out as many fucking, you know, as much bullshit as they feel like they can because they think that we're all going to believe it.
	They think we're going to eat it up.
	What they don't understand is that their audience is actually made up of some pretty motherfucking smart people who are going to be able to see through, like, not everybody, to be sure, but some of them are going to be able to see through this bullshit.
	And they're going to be able to realize that they're being told lies.
	And so the more they go out there and the more they run these hit pieces and the more they try to slander us, all it's really doing is just bringing more people to our side because the more that they do this, the more chance we have to tell our side of the story, to tell the facts.
	And the smart people are going to realize that we are in the right.
	Yep, totally agree.
	Well, thanks a lot for coming on.
	Really appreciate it.
	I think you've muted yourself right.
	Sierra.
	Sierra, is that how you pronounce your name?
	Yep.
	How's it going?
	Can you hear me all right?
	I can hear you fine.
	Okay.
	Well, I actually have a question for not just you, but anybody who wants to answer it.
	You know, I'm not a very well-known person.
	I have like 30 followers on Twitter and like 20 subscribers on YouTube, maybe.
	And it seems like a lot of what I'm doing lately is just sending out emails and sitting there twiddling my thumbs and waiting for a response.
	And what I want to know is what else can we do to help besides just sending out emails?
	Because it gets kind of, well, I don't know if anybody else feels this way, but it gets kind of disheartening whenever you're just sitting there and you're waiting for a response from one of these sponsors and they either ignore you or they just send you a really obviously automated response that says nothing.
	And then You go and you see all these awful articles publishing awful things and skewed statistics, and you see the media silencing us like what they did with Professor Summers not giving her any chance to speak.
	So it gets really frustrating, and I'm wondering what else can we do?
	Well, what's your Twitter address?
	What's your Twitter handle?
	At Sierra Robin.
	Right, okay.
	Well, guys, get following Sierra.
	Because I'm not the one who can answer that.
	But I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who have got loads of good ideas.
	And so if they can message you and just network a bit, I think that'd be great.
	Oh, my gosh, I feel so dirty now.
	I feel like I was like at.
	I just think the important thing is also just to keep communicating with one another, keep following each other, keep talking, keep spreading the information, basically.
	You know, just continue to fight the good fight, basically.
	Yeah, I think so.
	I think so.
	Just keep in contact with each other.
	Get following each other.
	Send me a tweet and I'll retweet it.
	Okay.
	So everyone knows who you are.
	All right.
	Yeah, keep your chin up and keep fighting.
	All right.
	Thanks a lot, guys.
	Thanks for being on.
	Okay, bye.
	Bye.
	All right.
	I've got four people at the moment with messages out there waiting to come in.
	But people are being slow.
	It seems.
	So I think Schultz wanted to come on again.
	And if she's listening, hurry up.
	anyone who's on the list can come on which is anyone really so we are still waiting for people um What's going on?
	There are a lot messaging.
	Okay, guys, try and make sure that you're ready to jump in when you message.
	Hello again, Schultz.
	You're muted.
	Ah, yes, here I am back.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	No, actually, what it was is what was it, Anita Sarkeesian's toxic masculinity type of thing she brought up?
	Was it a week ago or something like that?
	Oh, the Twitter thing.
	Yeah.
	Going on a bit of a meltdown about it.
	Oh, yeah.
	What was it?
	There's a game coming out Q1 or 2 next year called Hatred.
	Have you heard of it?
	Yeah, the one where you go on a killing spree.
	Oh, yeah, because I've been hearing pops up that being brought up of saying that's arguments on both sides of saying it shouldn't be made.
	Other ones saying bonkers things back and forth.
	What's your opinion?
	Quite honestly, well, personally, I don't think it should be made because I don't believe in that type of game.
	But since it's being made, we should look at it, what it's marriage, what it is mechanically.
	And since it's just, if you look at it, black and white, thematically, a frustrated individual.
	And it kind of gives the sense that this guy is a deranged individual for even contemplating it and doing it.
	And every scene is a graphic and gory and kind of more of a shock of like, holy crap, someone this mental is doing this.
	Not in the sense of what they tried to make it out is this warped toxic masculinity, but more as a they equate warped toxic masculinity more as a warped individual.
	They conflate the two and mix them up.
	And it's it's one of the weirdest things that just just I don't get whatsoever when they come up with this bile.
	It just it's like it's like Jack Thompson all over again.
	Yeah, I mean the with with hatred I'm not really that bothered about it.
	I don't think I'll be buying it or anything, but I'm not you know if p if people want to spend their money on that then that's up to them.
	It's free market.
	It's not real.
	You know, exactly.
	It's a free market.
	It's not real.
	No one's actually going to get hurt.
	So you know, consenting adults and all that, you know, let them do what I want.
	But it does it's not to my taste.
	So um because uh kill drag.
	Yeah, she gave me a look.
	Sh she's the girl behind the scenes helping me with my channel.
	And pretty much she actually she she laughed and rolled her eyes about you mocking the console peasants.
	Oh yeah, but what it was is that there was one thing, what was it, there's a feminist theory critiquing of medium film and saying the person who is the most oppressed has the better understanding of the society or viewpoint or something like that.
	Oh yeah, oh yeah.
	And a filthy console peasant wants to say there's actually a game that actually easily disproves this due to its storytelling mechanics.
	The game, it's a series, Way of the Samurai on the there's five games in total, four of them that are similar.
	One of them was just an offshoot which is not exactly the same.
	And pretty much the whole premise with each of these games that completely conflates and destroys any feminist theory is that you get to see the whole scene from multiple perspectives, multiple points of view.
	And the first one is a very great example of this because pretty much it's set in Japan.
	The first one is with the Meiji Restoration period.
	And dealing with the samurai vertical that happened afterwards.
	You have about three or four different groups you can settle with.
	One with the peasants and the people who are left over in the town.
	You have the clan, one the clans, a gang, and you can kind of be a mercenary and bump around there, but that one's not really a true ending.
	And each one of them shows each situation from a different point of view.
	And it was one of the weirdest things that I laugh when feminist theories of critiquing saying that those who are the most oppressed has the better and grander view of it.
	The game in and of itself had one of them where you had to evict some people from a I'm going to say Faye, but it's pretty much like an eatery or something like that.
	And if you choose the ones who are quote-unquote oppressed, all you get is that these people are threatening to evict you, that they just want you out of there and they're using force.
	Now, if you see from the side of the guys who are doing this, they actually have they know that what the guy the guy in charge knows he's doing this, that is wrong, but he's trying to protect his own people because as samurai at the end of the Meiji Restoration around the Meiji Restoration, they were out of a job, you had mass unemployment, you had pretty much, if you became a Ronin, you were fucking screwed.
	And he's legitimately trying to give his own men an ability to work there and legitimately sell the town and legitimately have some form of sense of stability for his own men.
	And he regrets doing this.
	And the man who even is sent out is so he he dis he's disgusted with himself that he has to do this.
	And one of the other one was the gang member one was legitimately seeing this as a weakness in a traitorous idea of ideas of standing up for yourself, standing against not oppression, but pretty much for your morals and morality.
	And it's like each one of these games does something does like this.
	They'll have one downtrodden, but each one of them has a piece of the picture of the grand scheme of the idea.
	And I always laugh because they always talk about how all the oppressed will have a better understanding of relationships and all the interactions.
	But I argue the game's more like a point of view type of S game worth multiple ways and stories.
	And the only way you can get the quote-unquote proper ending is legitimately bouncing from each one of these sides in trying to get them all to work together.
	And that was the whole premise of the game: actually peaceful or quasi-peaceful resolution.
	Hmm.
	Okay.
	Well, it's very interesting.
	Yeah, and it's from a filthy only on console, sadly.
	Yeah, I won't be playing it.
	Was there anything else you wanted to say quickly?
	Actually, all it was is that I've noticed that with the social justice wares of the gaming ones, they seem to be coming from a fanatical second generation of gamers type of thing, more than that.
	I mean, look at Bob Chipman, I mean, open fanboy, and I've noticed most of them who are fanboys just kind of are the most avid and outspoken anti-gamer gators as a whole.
	And Bob Chipman, oh, God.
	Cool.
	Well, thanks very much.
	Thanks for coming on, man.
	No problem.
	Take care.
	Draco, can you hear me?
	Hello, I can hear you.
	Hello.
	How's it going?
	Not bad.
	What would you like to say?
	Well, one of the things I've noticed with a lot of these ideologues is they will manipulate data.
	It's happened with the rape statistics, where they completely eliminate male victims.
	They manipulate the data so anything constitutes rape.
	They've done it with the statistics for the gamer demographics.
	They completely ignore that almost all the female gamers that they say is the majority of gamers now are middle-aged women playing on their iPhones playing Candy Crush.
	They like to manipulate this data to create their narrative that surrounds their ideology.
	Yeah, they really do.
	It's a problem.
	Frankly, I find that they are incapable of being intellectually honest about this sort of thing.
	And even a cursory look at the data will completely unravel their narrative.
	That's exactly why I think they cherry-pick so often.
	I'm always surprised at how flagrantly proud, just how brazen they are about displaying their bias and saying, no, no, I'm biased, so it's fine.
	And I just can't understand that mindset, frankly.
	No, it's dishonest and it's disrespectful to the people they're talking to, and it's disrespectful to the people that follow them.
	Yeah, it absolutely is.
	I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees it, to be honest.
	That's too widespread.
	And that's all I've wanted to say.
	Thanks for letting me on.
	Not a problem.
	Thanks for coming on.
	He's got a point.
	I mean, they really do do that.
	It really drives me crazy.
	You know, it's these people.
	You need to get that on the T-shirt, Series CD.
	Get him somewhere.
	Yeah, I've got like I've sent the message out to like eight people and none of those people are now responding, which is great, which has just fucked up the queue.
	So I'm now just yeah.
	Anybody else who wants to just keep sending messages and actually stay around your computers?
	That'd be nice.
	Didn't take long to mess up the queue, did it?
	God damn.
	We've got a lot of new people that added me and are still waiting on those.
	Eric Lorenzo is the most recent responder, so if he can get his ass in gear, that'd be nice.
	Yeah, Andres Gonzalez just mentioned in the chat they use a massacre to boost their agenda, and they do.
	It's really bad.
	I can't believe some of the shit that comes out of the feminist frequency Twitter account.
	I'm not going to say it's from a Need Sarkeesian because I don't think it is.
	I think it's quite obvious that it's Macintosh who's got access to that account, isn't it?
	Oh, he's definitely the puppet master, the master of puppets.
	I feel like playing that every time I see one of his tweets.
	Games!
	Hello, Kevin.
	Yeah.
	Hello.
	Oh, God.
	You can hear me.
	Hello.
	You've been bringing this up a bit a lot about cultural Marxism.
	I wouldn't call myself a Marxist as such, but I definitely lean towards the left, and I don't really want to bring in sort of the politics of it, saying left versus right or whatever.
	But would you just say this is purely academic Marxism saying this is how the world shouldn't be taken seriously at all?
	Because it's sort of bringing Marxism into that sort of like brings us into a lot of other questions about that.
	I think that people.
	I don't think it's a case of left or right.
	It's more a case of Marxist or capitalist.
	It really doesn't matter what.
	I mean, they are obviously very definitely extreme left, but most people who are left-leaning are not anti-capitalism and anti-free markets.
	I mean, I'm not even that pro-capitalism myself, but I am certainly anti-Marxism because I've read the Communist Manifesto and I've read Bask Capital, and it's pie-in-the-sky stuff.
	It's never going to fucking work.
	So, you know, these people are, you know, they're academic Marxists.
	They're very convinced that Marxist theories are correct and that they can voice them onto the video game industry.
	Yeah, because sort of, like you said, I wouldn't want to bring in the whole political argument into it, and I'm sort of repeating what I said.
	But it does sort of scream to me that the sort of criterion to create going off of Animal Farm, all are equal, but some are more equal than others, sort of there dictating what the society, or in this case, what the game and society should be.
	I think that's exactly what they're doing.
	I think that is exactly it.
	I really don't like the methods of operation or their goals, to be honest.
	Is there anything else you want to say?
	No, I guess that's all I've got to say on the matter.
	I mean, thanks for having me on.
	No, thank you for coming on.
	No problem.
	Right.
	Cheers.
	Justin.
	Chat, I'm not a Liberal Democrat.
	Justin, are you there?
	Justin, are you there twice?
	Liberal Democrat.
	No.
	Hello, can everyone hear me?
	I can hear you.
	All right.
	I don't know what went on.
	I guess I lost the connection for a little bit.
	I just wanted to talk a little bit about Anita Sarkeesian and how sort of mainstream media's reaction to her being criticized online is harassment in some sense when she is the product of her own negative reaction.
	I mean, she gets up and she says, you know, mass shootings are the product of toxic forms of masculinity.
	And then she gets a negative reaction because people who are masculine, who are male, are saying, no, that's wrong.
	We don't believe that mass shootings are a byproduct of our behavior.
	And then, you know, she'll say, oh, I'm getting all this harassment.
	Why is there such a negative reaction to me telling an entire group of people that what they identify as causes people to be killed in mass shootings?
	Same with Gamer, isn't it?
	I bet they expected when they were like, we'll all just on the same day just say that gamers are over, and that will be the end of that.
	It'll be a day or two that people will just need to calm down, but then it'll be okay, and we'll just be in charge and we'll carry on.
	Yeah, it's just what I don't, what I don't understand is how, well, I mean, not that I don't understand it, but an argument can be made that they do expect these negative reactions.
	I mean, they constantly push this idea that all gamers are misogynists, all gamers are evil, sexist, racist, straight white men, and it's horrible and all these things.
	And then when they get this negative reaction, they have the ability to sort of play the victim and say, see, we told you that they're all violent, evil people.
	Yeah, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	Any kind of reaction was going to be negative, and it just reinforces what they were saying.
	Yeah.
	I mean, one more thing I wanted to talk about was Brianna Wu and how she claims to be in hiding and she can't go to her regular house or she has to hide because people are threatening her online.
	But for some reason, I can't seem to think that it's consistent to be in hiding while also appearing multiple times on MSNBC and different news outlets and things like that, still be able to write articles, still be able to do all these things when she's so concerned for her safety.
	And she is, I believe she wrote an article on that.
	I'm not exactly sure where, well, what publication she wrote it on, but she said, you know, oh, I'm so brave.
	I'm such a badass.
	I'm going to continue.
	Yeah, I'm going to continue with my narrative even though I'm receiving all these death threats and all these things.
	But for someone who is so brave, who is so badass, if somebody is saying, listen, I think what you're saying is wrong, she considers that harassment and an attack on her.
	I just don't, it's not consistent to be brave and then have someone say, hey, I think you're wrong, and then say, oh my goodness, I'm being harassed.
	Yeah, no, I totally agree.
	And I think it's ridiculous that they would fly in the face of everything the FBI recommends.
	The FBI recommends that you don't publicize your threats, that you try and keep it on the down low.
	And they don't do that at all.
	And that kind of implies to me that they're not really that threatened by these threats.
	That's what I take away from it anyway.
	Yeah, exactly.
	And I think it was, I mean, I watched the stream with Justicara Thunderfoot and Internet Aristocrat who talked about the parallels between the whole gamers are dead scenario and atheism plus and how Rebecca Watson was also quote-unquote receiving all of these death and rape threats.
	And it was she first she said that it was there are these keyboard cowboy threats that aren't actually credible.
	They know they're just people on the internet.
	But there are credible threats that she cannot reveal because they will interfere with a police investigation, which is bullshit.
	Yeah.
	I'm not burning it.
	And then these Gamergate people are completely okay to publish these things.
	It's not interfering with any sort of police investigation because the threats are credible.
	Yeah, I just can't bring myself to believe what they're saying.
	They've cried Wolf too many times for me.
	Yeah, exactly.
	I think that that's just the basis for it.
	Is there anything else you want to say?
	Nope, that's it.
	I'll stop being chatty and I'll let other people talk for a little while.
	That's okay.
	Thanks very much for coming up.
	No problem.
	Any time.
	Right.
	Who is the next person, mate?
	It's Geth, is it?
	Or Jiva something?
	I can't see any other name.
	Seems to be on mute, and I can't actually take him off of mute.
	No, it's his own mute.
	He's got it.
	All right, Frederick, have you muted yourself?
	Or Geth, sorry?
	Get?
	Oh, no.
	Well, Frederick can go because Geth isn't in at the moment.
	Yeah.
	Frederick, how's it going?
	Hi, I'm great.
	Yeah.
	I've just recently been following you, but you've raised a lot of interesting points that I haven't previously heard of.
	So I decided to talk about a few of those that I've noticed recently.
	Yeah, go ahead.
	All right, so I was reading NBI today.
	They had a big graphic on page three or something.
	Inequality in Britain is awful, you know.
	And the thing is, you know, there is evidence for inequality to some extent in Britain, but the graphic they had was basically bollocks because it didn't go in depth enough.
	The first thing they said is like, you know, Britain's the best country in the world because women get a higher percentage in universities than men.
	But over their lifetime, women get £25,000 a year on average, where men get £40,000.
	So this is obviously sexism.
	But the thing is, actually, if you actually go down into that, if a bloke is, say, getting paid minimum wage, but working 60 hours a week in order to support his family, then that is, you know, that's why he probably gets 40 grand a week.
	Whereas a woman who's often the secondary bred winner in the household, if at all, would probably be getting some part-time work or something that's less taxing in order to fit around the kids.
	And it's a sad thing.
	But other than forcing women into work, then there's nothing else you can actually do.
	That's actually literally the entire root cause of what the feminists call the gender pay gap.
	Consad did a study, a US government think tank did a study a few years ago because they were concerned about it.
	They've got laws that prevent you from paying one employee less than another based on gender.
	And they basically, the last line of the conclusion was something like, it may be that there's nothing to correct because this is a free market, a free country at work.
	And it's exactly as you say, you know, women choose not to work as much as men, which I think is really sensible.
	I wouldn't work as much as men.
	And something to bring up on that is that I think as they were recently being sued by their workers because they weren't paying women as much as men.
	And I think, I don't know, it doesn't take that long to work out if you're being paid as much as someone else.
	Because at the moment, I'm a student and I have a Sunday job.
	And here's a bit of sexism for you.
	The fact that in my hometown, unless you're a woman, you aren't going to get a low-skilled part-time job or whatever.
	Literally, employers will always do.
	I applied for a job at a fish and chip shop and they straight out told me, Look, we want a girl with blonde hair and big tits to work here, and you're neither, so get out.
	And my second point, though, is threats, because you always talk about it.
	I think something that you should look at whenever you're talking about, you know, Brianna Wu or whatever getting threats is David Vonderha, because when he changed something in Black Ops 2, I think it was a sniper rifle to take 0.01 seconds longer to reload.
	He got death threats on everything.
	It was his wife, his kids, all the credible death threats that he was going to be slaughtered.
	This other guy, this bus driver, was wrongfully arrested on account of having extreme pornography and was released a few days later after they realised that it wasn't.
	And because of that, he's been sacked from his job.
	He couldn't see his children.
	He's actually had people threaten him with scissors in real life.
	And yet, this was on page 28 of the same newspaper.
	And it's just sort of like, well, why isn't this bloke on the front page of the Guardian's website going, you know, oh, poor bloke, you know, why isn't this happening?
	I think the word is bloke, isn't it?
	Yeah.
	I don't know.
	Well, I'll get out of here in a second.
	No, no, absolutely.
	Go ahead.
	No, but I'll get out of here in a second.
	But my final point is really that as you can see from my picture on here, and I'm a big supporter of the Occupy movement and so on.
	And when I was there, there wasn't, you know, it was a case where it was literally like, you know, women and men are complete equals, basically.
	It's what you can bring to the movement rather than anything else.
	And I think that's the same thing throughout Britain now.
	In most places, you know, I can't.
	I've been to secondary school and I've been to college now and I've never seen any form of sexism there.
	And my workplace, apart from the sexism against men, there isn't any sexism there.
	Like, you know, I've never had a customer saying, no, I'm not going to be served by you because you're a woman.
	I'm going to go over there to that man.
	They go, oh, why aren't you a blonde girl with big tits?
	But the other thing I don't know, the other thing I'd like to say is really like, I don't know, it's just whether in Gamergate and so on, you know, you've talked about the perfect whatever, you know, do, you know, if not, your shield and so on.
	I think it does sort of prove that, you know, women in video games aren't always, you know, women don't always feel like they're being victimized or whatever.
	And I think a friend of mine who's usually very well spoken and so on said to me, well, it should be up to women how they choose to be represented in video games.
	I was like, well, yeah, they should be, but I need Sarkeesians on camera saying she's not a gamer.
	That's nonsense.
	I don't get to choose how men are represented in video games.
	No, people represent other people exactly as they want to.
	No one gets to choose how they get represented by someone else, do they?
	I can understand if one of the things they always say is they want more women in the games industry and whatever.
	If we went to Ubisoft and whatever and went, all right, so how many, so for this new position of programmer, how many women applied of say, you know, and if you go, oh, two, one of them came out, came out to us smelling of marijuana and the other one didn't turn up, so we couldn't hire them.
	Do I think the case is that it isn't more women in the game industry needed?
	It's the fact that more women should be encouraged into learning about it and then going on to it.
	I'd like to just jump on that fact as well, Frederick.
	There was a circulation of some awful story about, well, Brianna Wu posted it, basically.
	It was like the head of an engineering sort of thing in a games development studio.
	It was a really wishy-washy story, but the whole fact of the thing was this engineer told the female CEO that finding female applicants for the job for the coding positions was proving quite difficult.
	So she basically, in this anecdote, told the guy that that's not acceptable.
	I will have women coding on this.
	And it said at the end of the anecdote, by the end of the day, there are three women lined up for interview.
	Now, the thing is, if this was a job and people were applying for this position, why weren't they shortlisted?
	Did they actually have to go out and seek these women?
	Were they not aware that the company was advertising?
	I mean, everybody had a fair shot to put their resume, put their seat.
	The statement basically inherently said that this engineer guy was sexist and missing these other opportunities.
	Or the fact that he had to then go out and go fish for females that might not have been up to the job as coders, basically, in comparison.
	But everybody had the opportunity, surely, to actually interview for that job.
	So it was a terrible anecdote.
	And they're just spewing this shit, basically.
	It really got under my skin, that did.
	Well, I'll leave you all now because I don't want to take up too much time.
	So thank you for having me on anyway.
	No, everyone, thanks for coming on.
	Frederick, no, that was Frederick, wasn't it?
	Gif, are you there?
	No, he's Gif.
	Is he Goff?
	Oh, yeah, he is.
	Oh, you talking to me?
	Are you Gif?
	No.
	I had a different.
	Gee, the man claw is actually supposed to be in my title.
	But yeah, no, I guess that's a Google Plus slash YouTube conflicts with the accounts.
	Anyways, what I was going to say is I actually messaged you earlier about my psychology background, and I've been looking into the psychology of SJWs.
	And it's really quite interesting.
	I've also talked to my mother about this, and she's been a therapist for 30 years.
	I had to describe the whole phenomenon to her.
	We basically agreed that it's a combination of personality disorders for a lot of them.
	And some of them it's bipolar and some of them it's abuse, but it manifests itself in very different ways and it's pretty interesting.
	I think a while back you mentioned some of them were sociopathic, if not psychopathic at worst.
	It's a little bit.
	Well, it's not quite always the case.
	Sorry, go on.
	No, no.
	Go ahead.
	Oh, just there seems to be a profound lack of empathy coming from the other side.
	And it's.
	I very rarely find one that really seems to be able to demonstrate the ability to even be able to empathize.
	Most of them seem incredibly self-centered.
	Right.
	And that's where some of the personality disorder stuff comes in.
	A lot of them have narcissistic personality disorder.
	That's why you see them gravitate towards an ideology that is so egocentric.
	Because it, you know, it's all about me.
	And it's subjectivity versus objectivity.
	Instead of looking around and saying, okay, how would I feel if this were applying to me?
	And then you'll see that double standard of, well, it's okay for me to push my ideology onto other people, but when other people do it, the fuck.
	I think that's why they get so defensive and aggressive.
	Because, frankly, I think that they're all, I think they're worried that one day they might actually get a flicker of empathy and realize how they treat other people.
	And then they're going to feel like really, really bad people.
	Right.
	And a lot of it, too, is they come from really rich backgrounds.
	A lot of these people, they were just kind of raised with this sense of entitlement and that they just, oh, yeah, they should check it more often.
	The P-word.
	Oh, yeah.
	And so basically, I just don't think that they develop that sense of not seeing the world outside of their own perspective, not being able to put themselves in other people's shoes.
	Yeah, I agree.
	I agree.
	I don't think that they have any concept of what's going on, especially when you've got like Jonathan McIntosh and Alex Lifshitz and all the rich kiddies saying, oh, white men are so privileged.
	If you actually cared, you'd bang Zoe Quinn's Patreon.
	And I'm just like, wow, how many people can really afford to be doing that for just some random who lives in San Francisco or wherever she lives?
	People have bills, for Christ's sake.
	Right.
	But then maybe it's just me.
	I don't know.
	Yeah, no, I don't even get Macintosh, though, because McIntosh, because I don't know, he just seems like a total psychopath.
	I know, I shouldn't have been using that word, but he's just so fucking crazy and out there.
	He is full Macintosh.
	Full McIntosh, exactly.
	It's possible that people like him are bipolar, because there's a lot of grandiosity that comes with the manic phases of bipolar one.
	And then there are people who are borderline, which are sort of like the emotional instability element of some of the people.
	Narcissism already went over that one.
	Some of them are histrionic.
	It's quite possible.
	It's quite possible he's an alien.
	You know, it could be anything.
	I literally see Macintosh as the little guy in Men in Black inside the human suit, basically being piloted.
	And that's how I keep saying, imagining that that guy is, you know, not human because he completely lacks empathy.
	That's interesting because one day I'm expecting to see Lifshitz's skin peel off and there'll be a lizard underneath.
	Because crazy.
	You know what I mean?
	I don't know.
	Therefore, aliens.
	You know, I mean, but I mean, maybe I'm insulting.
	But yeah, thanks for coming on.
	Is there anything else you want to say?
	Not really.
	I kind of wanted to talk about some other stuff, but I can't really think of it off the top of my head.
	I just saw this live stream happen out of the blue.
	Yeah.
	Okay, well, thanks for coming on.
	Oh, for sure.
	Take care.
	Thanks for having me.
	Bye-bye.
	Bye.
	Who's the next one, mate?
	The next one should have been Eric and then Internet and then Gabrielle.
	You there, Eric?
	Eric Lorenzo.
	He's like on the seventh doctor or something, isn't he?
	He's unmuted himself, so.
	Yeah.
	Okay, well, Internet Zen Master, are you there for now?
	Hopefully, if Mike's working.
	Yeah, you're a bit quiet, but I can kind of get us to it.
	Hmm.
	So, how do I follow up?
	So, how do I follow up the guy who just talked about SJW this first, what, ten minutes?
	Hmm.
	I guess I want to talk about, well, I'm from the guys on the escapist thread, so we've kept so I can I shouldn't say I speak for that, but we've kind of come to the conclusion that these people aren't really SJW so much as the extreme of the extreme.
	Okay, go on.
	He started calling something called Green Tea Party, which is a reference to a Chinese article on Gamergate, which used the term green tea bitch to refer to Zoe.
	Inappropriate, but and the more I think about it, the more correct it sounds because I actually have quite a few people in my circle of friends who are actually consider themselves big proponents of social justice.
	One of them, she actually kind of hates the extremist Tumblr variety of what social justice has become right, yeah.
	She doesn't like Tumblr.
	That connection is very shitty right now.
	Sorry, it's quite hard to understand what you're saying.
	Let me put it this way: social justice, at least in the way that the people who are actively attacking Gamergate, it's not really even what you call social justice so much as their own warped just hero conflicts, I guess.
	Yeah, no, I agree.
	The term social justice is gone to the dark side.
	I don't think there's any reclaiming it.
	I don't think these people are going to give it up.
	Yeah, it's kind of sad because people are the one.
	I've come from a lot of political junkie folks, so we always talk about stuff like this, and it's kind of just disturbing to watch people like Lifshitz and Nick and Josh and all those people just kind of warp the definition of social justice to me with whatever the hell they want, when it's more adept for using stuff like, is there social justice going on in Ferguson?
	It's what my one friend was complaining about.
	I'm finding it a bit difficult to hear you, to be honest.
	Sorry about that.
	My mics really, really need to be worked on.
	Yeah.
	But I think I get what you're saying.
	I'm sure there was a time that social justice meant something decent and noble, but I'm afraid that time has probably passed.
	Yeah, when you have entire Tumblr accounts dedicated to thin privilege, you know it's got far.
	Look, that's ableist, man.
	Well, if I'm ableist, that's all I have to prove this talk in I'm going to say.
	So okay, well, take care.
	Did PB actually want to come on, or was just somebody talking shit in the chat?
	I think it was just someone talking shit in the chat.
	Okay.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, who was next?
	Eric Lorenzo.
	You there, Eric?
	Yeah, I'm here.
	How's it going?
	Yeah, very good, thanks.
	How are you?
	Oh, good.
	I was just talking to someone yesterday about, well, he likes the idea of Gamergate up to the point that he doesn't see the impact of games journalism on the wider society.
	Like, you know, it's just games journalism.
	Who really cares?
	I'm not a gamer.
	And I think that's kind of the wrong impression to take because, frankly, when you look at the tactics taken by anti-gamergators and so forth, it's been used for years by not just, say, social justice warriors, but corporations and government and so forth.
	So really, I kind of see Gamergate as sort of a basis point.
	And if we can really have a good victory on Gamergate in terms of repelling this sort of thought and rather lack of thought, then it could spread to other movements where, you know, just for example just put out like a watch list of websites that should be removed from the internet.
	And they said that the Pirate Bay in particular was a misuse of human rights and an assault on humanity or Macintosh for say the issues of copyright and so forth.
	So I really think that Gamergate is really the basis point because I frankly have not seen many movements that have maintained a narrative consistently without being polluted because Gamergate could have just been easily as polluted as Occupy.
	So despite it's just being game journalism, I think it just and even yes, it was Kadaku making say the gamers are over articles, but then the National Post in Canada, which is not a game journalism outfit by any means, is reprinting these articles.
	So we already see how it affects the wider range of journalism and issues and so forth.
	Yeah, I totally agree.
	I think there's definitely a larger cultural issue that Gamergate has found itself trapped caught in the middle of, really.
	I think there are a lot of eyes watching.
	I really do.
	Was that everything you wanted to say?
	Yeah, pretty much.
	And yeah, keep up the good work and thank you for your efforts for sure because I couldn't do it, frankly.
	Yeah, I don't know how you do it.
	Also, I don't know how your lungs are still intact, frankly.
	I mean, Jesus.
	Anyway, thanks very much.
	Not a problem.
	Thanks for coming on.
	All right, I think next is Zoe Quinn.
	If I wanted to be Zoe Quinn, then that would change a lot of things, believe me.
	But I'm not.
	So we'll keep it at that.
	Anyway, yeah, I I understand that you are joking and all the sh was joking b and I was just sitting here smiling and jeez, you made my night.
	Anyway, you were talking about Tumblr's social justice, right?
	A person before.
	And I was suggest not to stick your hands in there because I tried once.
	I tried like giving people some peace of mind and it didn't work.
	They have their own rules and they play by them and it's really impossible to change anything.
	So I would just give up on that because it's impossible to change.
	And another thing I would like to say is a huge thank you because you guys really helped me a lot and you helped me understand a lot of things because I'm not really following this thing closely.
	And by listening to these streams, you give me a lot of information.
	So I would really like to thank you guys for your hard work.
	Thank you.
	We do our best.
	And I hope you keep it up.
	That's all I wanted to say.
	Thanks for coming on.
	Really appreciate it.
	Thank you.
	Goodbye.
	Bye.
	Who is next?
	Was it Requisite Zero?
	It was one second.
	It's requisite, I think.
	You're the requisite.
	What's up, guys?
	Can you hear me?
	Is this the gentleman with the frankly epic beard?
	That is...
	Man, that is a hell of a neckbeard.
	I salute you.
	One second.
	He's got a neckbeard?
	Wait.
	You seriously can't hear me.
	What the fuck?
	No, me now.
	Oh, Jesus Christ.
	You could have acknowledged me maybe five, ten minutes ago.
	That's fine.
	Thank you for the comments on the beard as well.
	The question I had is, are you guys familiar with what Aaron's going through with the court case right now?
	Yeah, a little bit.
	You guys have any comments on that or any kind of, I don't know, I guess shameful tactics that literally who's been using?
	Just wanted to get your guys' two cents on that.
	Well, I actually don't know what's going on.
	So could someone fill me in?
	Well, basically, Aaron has had basically a court order put on him and currently is fighting a legal battle.
	And I think is Mike Cernovich actually taking up his case?
	I don't know Requisite if you know.
	Well, I heard the last that I heard is the current lawyer that he's got.
	I'm not sure if it's Cernovich.
	I haven't checked that out.
	But they just he basically, you know, he can't talk about any of it because there's a gag order involved.
	And from what I understand is the lawyer that he currently has was so pissed off with the proceedings that he's decided he's going to help him through some of the appeals process pro bono.
	And I'm currently waiting on the transcripts to come out because that's the next big thing that's going to hit with that.
	But a lot of the tactics from what I understand that she's used is first off the document that she filed was actually for physical abuse, which is let's call it less than truthful.
	And I don't know, it just we've seen from her time and time again that she grandstands and she pretends to have these ideals.
	And then when, I don't know, I guess things get too hot for her, she uses the same tactics and the same kind of harassment and such that she rails against.
	And I don't really know what my point is other to say that she's a massive fucking hypocrite.
	And I guess I just wanted a little bit of a circle jerk on that.
	I guess that's why we're all here.
	Well, yeah, in particular, I think she's a detestable human being.
	She shouldn't have been given a platform, basically, to continue the bile that she's been throwing.
	She's not really part of the Gamergate sort of discussion.
	So why she was brought on to comment on it, Sod knows.
	And yeah, I think she's quite enjoying the limelight as she's currently wintering in the UK.
	Well, she was over a certain point in time.
	And I still think that people need to follow up the hard done by living off the Lifshiss Trust Fund.
	But people should really look into that Facebook post that came out about the adult photographer who spoke with Zoe during her softcore years about that murder, basically, that she committed that hadn't been reported.
	I think people should start following all that sort of information up.
	I would actually recommend just letting it go.
	She's full of shit.
	She's totally full of shit.
	Surely everyone, if she had murdered someone, it'd be known.
	The police would be after her.
	I think she's full of shit, and she's literally not important to Gamergate.
	that's why I don't know anything about this she's not but she becomes relevant in she makes herself relevant And because she's got the platform, she is still dangerous.
	I don't think we should basically underplay that.
	Yeah, and I mean, it's a lot of the same tactics that you get from Sarkeesian and their ilk.
	You were going to say something, Sargon.
	Oh, no, no, go ahead.
	Sorry.
	No, I was just saying that, you know, these are the same tactics that we're seeing time and time again.
	It's the professional victimhood playing out in front of our eyes.
	And if I had a better pair of tits, I'd probably try it.
	Oh, me too.
	I'd do it.
	I have got a cracking pair of tits, and I haven't tried it yet.
	No, I've got some decent man tits to go along with the neckbeard, but they're not that great.
	That's great.
	We'll get a massive circle jerk going on then.
	We'll see you on MSNBC, mate.
	Yeah, yeah.
	All right, guys.
	Thanks a lot.
	Thanks for coming on.
	Was Conrad the next person?
	It was Conrad, yes.
	Conrad, are you there?
	Yes, I am.
	How's it going?
	It's going good.
	Sargon, I want to say I've been really enjoying your videos.
	I kind of wanted to come on here, as you guys probably know, I am not actually Conrad Werner, as he is a fictional character.
	But part of the reason that I'm actually on this is because within the first day that I started looking into Gamergate, I had someone find an image of me and post it on Twitter and then start mocking it.
	And so I've had to defend myself against attacks almost since this began when I was just kind of looking into it.
	And of course, then I jumped on this account and started more looking into it and finally following it because I actually have been pursuing a job in news media.
	So questions of ethics, especially in news, are really, really big for me.
	Which is why I've used.
	I've actually talked to a couple of their friends who are around there who work in very small, what's it called, audiences, networks for journalism, talking about the various things that have happened in games journalism, which is a small niche market.
	And from all the people that I've heard, they've said, yeah, if we did something like that to our audience, our market, we would be crucified.
	Which is exactly the same thing that is happening here.
	So I just kind of wanted to come in there to lend my voice to that because I feel too often that this debate has gone on to harassment and other things that, while they are detestable, are not the issues at hand, which is why we never get much pushed forward on this.
	Because we're arguing two points because one of them really has very little basis and the other one is just being ignored.
	Yeah, I agree with you.
	I think it's definitely something to be aware of.
	That's all I want to say.
	Yeah.
	Thank you for having me.
	Thank you for coming on.
	Not a problem.
	Was Dr. Lehman next?
	It was.
	No, it was.
	I think it was Sir FM, I think, that was next.
	Sir FM, are you there?
	Yes, I am Sargon.
	Thanks for having me.
	Not a problem.
	What would you like to say?
	Well, firstly, I want to offer you a drink.
	if i ever see you i'll buy you one although honestly i don't know how to be a character but more seriously i'm actually going to bring you a warning from what happened in the atheist movement a few years back Have you heard of standpoint theory and postmodernism?
	I've heard of postmodernism.
	I haven't heard of the first one.
	Okay, I'm going to give you a quick brief on standpoint theory.
	Imagine you're a woman, you're middle class, and somehow you want to feel special.
	The first thing you do is immediately declare yourself a victim in some way, shape, or form.
	Being a victim, of course, made you worse.
	So you then have to come up with an ideological framework that means being a victim makes you special.
	And this is where standpoint theory comes in, because the more oppressed someone is, the more they actually understand themselves.
	Frankly, I find the whole thing shocking, but it's actually one of the core frameworks that quite a lot of the academic feminists that you've been talking about and diagram and such recently use.
	Okay, well, I'm just googled that, and it's the sort of thing I'm going to look into later then.
	Thanks for letting me know.
	Oh, you're welcome.
	It's like we had to experience the atheist movement firsthand.
	I don't want to see this happen to the bloody gaming movement as well.
	Well, actually, it's less of a movement and more of a hobby.
	But yeah, I get your point.
	But yeah, thanks for bringing that to my attention.
	I'll look into that.
	You're welcome to see what I find.
	Was there anything else?
	Nothing much other than you do some really good videos, but now it's just turning into a circle joke.
	It is.
	But thanks very much.
	You're welcome, man.
	Thanks for having me on.
	Cheers.
	Okay, look, Dr. Lehman.
	Yes, sir.
	Can you hear me?
	I can hear you.
	How's it going?
	Yeah, well, it's okay.
	A bit tired, but okay.
	So basically I wanted to talk about two topics, a one very short topic and a slightly longer topic.
	Is that okay?
	Uh if you can make them quick.
	Yes, they they are actually very quick.
	The first one is um has anyone of you been to Fortune lately?
	No.
	Which boards?
	Paul, of course, Paul.
	No, I don't go there.
	So basically, quite some time ago, Newt issued the statement that banned any talk of Gamergate from pretty much everywhere.
	And the thing is, it calmed down, and by now you are more or less allowed to talk about Gorka and even about Gamergate.
	But there is one topic that's still being banned no matter where you post it, no matter how you post it.
	And that's the topic about Melerie Blair, the alleged friend of Newt that has travelled Europe with him and that works amongst other things for Gawker as a PR agent.
	So I think it's really interesting and we should look into this because if he's still banning Mallory Blair related talks and not banning Gamergate and Gawker related talks anymore, I think there might be something interesting to it.
	Well I don't I don't have a use 4chan.
	I don't know who that person is.
	So well yes, I think a lot of your viewers probably do.
	I think most of the viewers actually do know who I'm talking about.
	Basically she's a PR girl who started the company Small Girl PR and she's been travelling for Europe with Newt, the admin of Fortune for quite a while.
	And well she's been doing a lot of PR for Gawker and suddenly you weren't allowed to discuss Gamergate, a very Gawker edition.
	Do we suspect that this is the person who's made 4chan go to the social justice warriors?
	Partially, yes.
	At least in my opinion.
	I do suspect her of this, yes.
	Okay, well, what was the name again?
	Melerie Blair.
	I'm going to post it in the chat so that people can look it up.
	Melory Blair.
	I've never heard of her, but if she works for Gawker.
	It's bad.
	It's bad.
	It should be a red flag that Mood, of all people, is travelling Europe with a Gawker PR agent.
	That should be a fucking red flag right there.
	And just the word Gawker shouldn't be used in polite conversations.
	Just call it the G-word or something.
	Just, you know.
	Okay, I I read it for long enough.
	I'm going to make the second topic very, very short.
	The academia in Europe is being severely infiltrated.
	In 2011, in the University of Göttingen, you did not have any mandatory courses on gender studies.
	In 2014, in every single class you'd take, every single degree you pursue, you have to take gender study courses.
	You have to take sensitivity classes and it's getting really, really bad.
	A friend of mine actually had to abort his bachelor's degree because he couldn't take it anymore.
	So keep on doing what you're doing.
	Please help us over at Europe.
	Over in Europe that is.
	We really need your help.
	It's not just Europe.
	In the States and in Canada, this This whole, I honestly, I just can't, I can't get over this infiltration of academia because maybe I'm some sort of idealist or something, but I always thought that academia was where ideologies got went to be dismantled.
	You know, I always thought that ideologies were dissected and broken down in academia.
	I didn't think that it was a breeding ground for them.
	But what do I know?
	Well, yes, now you know.
	I do.
	Well, I will keep fighting the good fight.
	I honestly will.
	It bothers me.
	It bothers me greatly.
	I really, it's the intellectual patrimony of the Western world that we're just watching being eroded away, and it's terrifying.
	You know, it's well, I find it terrifying anyway.
	But yeah, thanks for coming on, man.
	Appreciate it.
	See you.
	Take care.
	Lemming, I believe you're the next person.
	Hello.
	Hello, how's it going with your internet, boyfriend?
	What?
	Didn't you come on the last...
	Oh, here you go, you talked twice.
	What did you like to say?
	Oh, I was just coming on here to say, well, obviously, just everybody keep up the good work.
	And also, apparently, well, some people know that I like to release selfies, just in support of Gamergate, because really that's what I do.
	I can't make good videos like you.
	I can't really debate, so I make selfies.
	And I believe it was a few days ago on the 24th, these two really hardcore SJWs came on and started telling me that I was shilling out for male gaze.
	And I'm trying to.
	I think.
	You were shilling for the male gays.
	Oh, this is awesome.
	Did I hear that right?
	Yes, it's pretty much what she said.
	I'm trying to, I unblocked one of them.
	I don't know where the hell the other one went, but I'll just read you.
	Oh, yeah, and they assumed that I was a trans woman.
	Which is my nose really that masculine that I look like a man?
	I kind of feel hurt.
	You don't look like a man to me, but I don't know.
	No, you look perfectly ladylike to me.
	I can't explain it.
	Am I too pretty for you?
	A little bit, but I'm not the sort of person who's shilling for the male gaze.
	So, okay.
	So, trying.
	Wow, there's actually a big fight that went down now that I've fucking unblocked it.
	But there is.
	How much did you make shilling for the male gaze then?
	Actually, zero.
	We don't.
	Well, the world obviously makes it.
	Hey, look, here it is.
	I actually found what she said.
	Okay, this is what she said to me.
	You're trans.
	You must be aware of how little Twitter does when you report and how useless the block is.
	I don't know, it blocked her pretty well.
	And you must also be aware of the amount of abuse we face for just being trans, which is why you use the hat for that.
	You commented on my photo.
	You brought this on yourself.
	The GG hashtag is like a bat signal for entitled reactionary abusers, and you people put it on the end of every tweet, which is why we don't bother engaging.
	That's and that and all the world is flat reasoning.
	We occur.
	We what?
	You've got me.
	These people are mental.
	This is giving me a headache.
	Yeah, I don't know.
	Sorry.
	Are they accusing you of being a trans woman, are they?
	Yes.
	Well, they're not.
	That's not exactly like a bad thing to be.
	I know plenty, and I support them, but I'm not.
	So that's a little bit insulting.
	Nobody was born the gender they are now, anyway.
	No, probably not.
	I'm a special unicorn.
	I'm trying to see if I can find any more of her fucking bullshit on here.
	Or if I can find the name of the other lady that.
	Whoa, this just keeps going and fucking going.
	I did not know that there was such a fucking fight.
	Okay, well, is there any highlights there just while we've got you?
	Well, other than that, I can't really find any other highlights other than fucking world is flat reasoning.
	What is that?
	Do you know?
	You deal with these people a lot.
	What was the name?
	Okay.
	Hold on, let me go way back up here because there's like a 500.
	Okay.
	Actually, Jack Thompson, that Sabine girl?
	I don't know who you're talking about, I'm afraid.
	I don't know.
	I don't know if this is just like a one-off thing that this person's done, but I don't know.
	And also, just wanted to, you know, some more positive stuff.
	I just wanted to thank everybody that watched the Extra Life charity stream and donated.
	We got a lot more money than we were.
	We got, I think, almost $600 more than we were expecting.
	So I just wanted to thank anybody that was involved in that for, you know, doing that.
	And, you know, other than that, not much else to say.
	Nice to talk to Strong.
	Nice having you again.
	And I'm sorry that people keep fucking reblogging that Lamasu picture of you.
	Why?
	I don't know.
	Because I don't want to flood your inbox.
	Then again, you probably get a bunch of shit.
	So.
	Yeah.
	People send me shit.
	Yeah.
	That's fine.
	That character design might actually end up being used for my 3D modeling class.
	So if that happens, I'll send it to you.
	Yeah, definitely.
	Send me a picture of it.
	All right.
	It was nice to talk to you guys.
	Hope you have a great day, night, whatever.
	And keep fighting the good fight.
	Love you guys.
	Bye.
	Bye.
	Who was next?
	Was it Elijah?
	It was Wash, I think, that was next.
	Wash.
	Hello.
	Can you hear me?
	Yeah, I just had to turn my microphone on.
	Okay, how's it going, mate?
	Yeah, it's fine.
	What would you like to say?
	Well, just hello, I guess.
	Sorry?
	Just hello, I guess.
	There's a bit of noise in the background there, mate.
	I can't really hear what you're saying properly.
	Oh, hello.
	Hello.
	Hello?
	Ugh.
	I... I... What...
	What did you want to say mate?
	Let me just um ah, can you hear me now?
	Yeah, I can hear you.
	What would you like to say?
	Just yeah, just hello nice to hear from you.
	How do you think gaming gates go?
	Well, I hope it's been good.
	It seems to be effective so far.
	A few advertisers are pulling out.
	I think there's been a bunch, hasn't there?
	Yes.
	Wasn't Kellogg's the latest one or something like that?
	Wasn't it again?
	Was it?
	Kellogg's or I heard.
	I think it was Kellogg's.
	Are you stunned?
	It's fine, it's fine.
	I'm not judging.
	I know, but you just asked the question that I think everybody wanted to ask.
	You are even the first person to make this, um, to make this gas question war.
	Okay, well, uh, if the- If you don't have anything that you need desperately to say, do you mind if we mind if we go on to the next people?
	Because they are waiting.
	Hello?
	Not bad.
	I think you might have to just call a day on that one.
	Yeah, so sorry, Wash.
	Okay, who was next?
	Elijah, what's up?
	Yeah, thanks, Rick.
	Elijah, are you there?
	Yes, I am.
	Sorry, aren't you able to hear me?
	Very well.
	How's it going?
	Very good.
	Thank you for having me on the stream.
	I watched a lot of your videos, and I've never actually been home during one of these, so I'm glad the timing kind of worked out.
	I was able to come on today.
	So thank you for the opportunity.
	Glad to have you on.
	What would you like to say?
	If my words are a little stumbled, I really don't have anything prepared, and I'm kind of just going off the top of my head, you know.
	So, first of all, who is the lady who was just on?
	I'm sorry I didn't catch her name.
	Lemmings?
	Lemming.
	Yes, I've experienced somewhat of the same thing she has when it comes to online harassment from anti-gamergates, who, or we can assume the majority of them, are feminist.
	You've actually talked about this man many a times before.
	I believe you know him as Matt Bender of the Majority Report.
	Yep.
	Yes, yes.
	Well, it was about almost a month ago.
	One of his asinine tweets somehow ended up on my timeline.
	I don't remember how.
	I'm sure one of the women from the college I go to I follow must have retweeted something stupid he said about feminism and man-hating.
	I can't remember what it was, but I just called him out on it and I said, you know, why do you hate your own sex so much?
	And all he does is he retweets it and then favorites it.
	So I'm like, oh, okay, maybe you agree with me.
	Maybe you're changing the leaf.
	But then all of a sudden he starts retweeting tweets from my account that were at least three years ago when I was 16.
	And I'm sure no one here wants anyone to see anything they post when they were 16 put out into the daylight today.
	It was quite embarrassing.
	Some just bad things that I had said three years ago.
	Obviously, I'm definitely not the same person I was then.
	And just retweets, I think he found somewhat up to 20 of these.
	Retweeted them all, screenshots, sent it out, this is what an anti-feminist looks like.
	And I'm like, I don't know why I even did this.
	And then for at least three days straight, I had people adding me, calling me a misogynist, a loser.
	There's a reason you can't get a girlfriend is because you hate women.
	And I'm like, oh, my God, this is absolutely insane.
	All I wanted was an explanation of why somebody would have such disdain for one sex and a sex that they are a part of.
	And it just turned into an absolute, just tweet shaming.
	No form of arguments was being had.
	And I honestly thought maybe it was just him.
	Maybe it was a small sect of these people, but no.
	And then I tried other feminists that, other feminists, that would find their way to my timeline.
	I would ask them questions and it would just go to, you know, they would use the term misogynist almost as a shield.
	You know, in their eyes, if you don't agree with them, you're the enemy.
	There's no point in talking to you.
	I believe it was Macintosh who said there's no middle ground here because you can't side with these people at all.
	Although it doesn't surprise me because Macintosh is an absolute idiot.
	But I'm sure you agree with me on that one.
	He coined a phrase after himself, for God's sakes.
	Full Macintosh.
	I think Kirbs coined it.
	He didn't coin it.
	I'm sorry.
	Well, it coined it after him.
	Getting to what Binder did, right?
	Yeah.
	That's what basically went on MSNBC and bragged about, that he was a propagandist who went through people's Twitter fees to cherry-pick things that would make them look bad to shame them.
	And it's just like, Matt, you do understand that you are proclaiming that you are effectively just a liar to the world when you say that you do that.
	And he was just sat there so pleased as punch.
	I couldn't understand it.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	I can't agree with you anymore on that.
	I was quite glad that he got a bit of shit after my video on him, frankly, because I know that he does that sort of stuff.
	I know that he does, but sorry, carry on.
	And then someone made a character of him.
	I thought it was quite funny.
	Do you have a second to talk about our Lord and Savior, Anita Sarkeesian?
	Which I thought was absolutely hilarious.
	Even as a somewhat religious person, I still found that as a hilarious joke.
	And then he tweets it and says, look what happens when you piss off a bunch of nerds.
	And I'm like, really?
	Are you still in high school?
	You're calling gamers nerds.
	Like, come on, man.
	Like, some people just need to grow the fuck up.
	Excuse my language, but that just angers me beyond belief.
	Piss off a bunch of nerds.
	And it was just absolutely incredible.
	And that could try to segue into what my opinions on this whole Gamergate.
	I'm a gamer, as you can tell.
	I'm wearing a gaming headset.
	I have a whole setup.
	I make YouTube videos, all that.
	It's a part of my life.
	I find it to be the most entertaining form of media there is out there.
	It's the most interactive.
	I'll have more fun playing a game like Bioshock Infinite than I ever will watching a movie or a TV show.
	And I have friends like that, but even they don't seem to see the importance of Gamergate and what it means.
	I was having a discussion at the dinner table with my father over this sort of new way feminism and how it's just tied into complete extreme leftist, extreme leftist ideology.
	And I told him about how they were attacking video games and really video games as a whole when it comes to the culture behind it and the media itself.
	And he's like, well, who cares?
	And then I kind of asked myself, maybe it doesn't matter so much.
	But then I realized you attack this form of media first.
	I mean, if they ever were to dominate it, which would, I don't even want to know the kind of world that would be, you know, first they attacked that, then they realized, oh, maybe we can attack books next, which there's already a bunch of feminist books.
	Maybe we can attack TV and eventually movies.
	And eventually we can control all media that there is, all forms of entertainment.
	And then you're watching shows about have nothing that are all just about feelings.
	And you're playing the game where you make choices on feelings.
	And although that might be fun for some people, for the most part, it's probably going to be fucking shitty.
	And no one's going to want to put it.
	Except for the small majority of idiots who think that I lost track.
	I think it was McIntosh said control led to violence.
	And only white males play violent video games.
	And that's another thing.
	Trying to use minorities as their shield.
	Trying to say that these gamers are nothing but loser white kids in their basement, white teenagers in their basement.
	And then the whole not your shit blew up in their face.
	Even after that, they keep trying to say the same shit.
	They're saying, we're not trying to get rid of gamers.
	When I can go to any of the websites, look at the articles, and highlight lines that say what can we do to end the term gamers in gaming culture as a whole.
	But then they're going to continue to sit there and lie to you and saying that's not what we're trying to do.
	We're trying to open it up to everybody.
	Like it's not already.
	It just feels such magnificent violence.
	It completely blows my mind, these people.
	And then, oh, love it.
	They actually, I was put in three lists.
	Future rapist, misogynist, and woman hater are three lists that I'm a part of on Twitter so that the SJWs can keep up on all my tweets, even though I blocked them.
	And apparently they can still reply to me and at me and I can see it.
	Don't know how.
	But yeah, so that's great.
	I love being labeled stuff like that, even though it can be farther from the truth.
	Man, you're in the same boat as all of us.
	No one, no one I've met even vaguely represents or resembles anything that they say.
	And yet, for some reason, they say it and people take them seriously.
	I am as baffled as anyone.
	I'd hate to disagree with you, but I am definitely starting to see this SJW mindset really creep into the real world.
	Oh, no, no, no, no, that's not disagreeing with me.
	What I mean is that no one resembles the misogynist remarks that they're talking about.
	Oh, yeah, okay, yes, yes.
	I mean, there might be a small extreme, you know, there could be, you know, there's someone out.
	I'm sure there's someone out there that just fucking hates women for the sake of hating them.
	Just like, I'm sure they hate races just for the sake of hating races.
	But that's a small majority, and it's just unreal.
	Anyone who disagrees with them, they just label them misogynist or sexist or yada yada yada.
	It's stupid.
	It's a weapon.
	It is.
	It's a shitty weapon, but it's almost kind of effective.
	And that's the worst part.
	It really is.
	I remember apparently one of the people that I go to school with, well, they go to the same school as me.
	I've never met them before before this incident.
	Apparently, they had seen the whole thing between me and Matt Bender, or maybe with another well-known SJW.
	And I was walking through the, basically it's the main part of campus.
	It's called the Student Center.
	I was walking through with some friends of mine.
	And we were just walking, and she points out from across the way, she's like, oh, look, it's a misogynist.
	And by the way, this woman, this stereotypical Tumblrite, horn rim glasses, kind of the short comb over haircut, one side shaven.
	I think she even had a tattoo in the shaven part of her head.
	And she was a tad overweight.
	So I'm like, oh, my God.
	As soon as I said I knew this was going to be the shit story, I tried to keep walking, but she followed me for like five minutes, screaming, this man hates women.
	This man is what's wrong with society.
	And I was just like, fuck fucking hell.
	Like, it's not really.
	It was just weird because that was my first real-life interaction with these SJW people because before then the only interaction I had were certain subreddits that kind of show the worst of the SJW Tumblrites.
	Your videos and other videos on YouTube that talk about this topic was the only exposure I'd really had.
	And at this point, I didn't even think about how that could ever affect my real life.
	And then also, people have been threatened to say they're going to call my work and get me fired and say that you've hired a misogynist who hates women and says all this shit about women on his social media.
	And that's when it got real.
	That's when I had to close my Twitter account.
	I had to secure it or whatever so people couldn't retweet me anymore.
	I'd do that for a couple months until I stopped getting mentions and whatnot.
	Luckily for me, they never got a hold of my address or even the general area of where I live so they couldn't mess with me anymore.
	But it was almost fighting to realize all I'm doing is trying to have a decent opinion, an open opinion.
	I consider myself, I have my prejudices, just like anybody does, but I consider myself to be an open, tolerant person who's open to good discussions.
	I'm very solid in my views, and I do like to discuss them with other people, whether they agree with me or they don't.
	That's all I was trying to do.
	And in terms of this just complete character bashing to the point where they want to ruin my life because I don't agree with them.
	I mean, who knows the, you know, who has that kind of mindset?
	I grew up in a church family, and I went to church, and I never saw ideologues to that extreme, even in a church, for Christ's sakes.
	This whole SJW Tumblrite thing, that's why I mostly call them.
	I can refer to them as SJWs or Tumblrites because that's all they really are in the first place.
	They're really a new breed of hate, really.
	They're a new breed of bigoted, just hateful people that their lives may not be what they want them to be.
	So instead of taking personal responsibility, which is a whole nother topic I could spend 20 hours on, but I don't want to waste anyone else's time.
	The idea of why should I take responsibility for where I'm at in my life?
	And if I see someone who's better, who has a better life than I am, and maybe, oh, well, that's a guy.
	So it must be the fact that he's a male and he's white.
	That's why he's more successful than me.
	It can be the fact that maybe he works harder.
	But no, they have no sense of personal responsibility and taking action to influence their life.
	They want to find a scapegoat, really.
	At the end of the day, all they want to do is find a scapegoat so they can feel better about themselves.
	They surround themselves with people around them so they can continue to feel better about themselves.
	That's their circle jerk right there.
	That's true.
	And just to wrap this one up, because you've been on for a while now, mate.
	I'm getting down.
	I had a lot on my chest.
	I don't really want to talk about this stuff that much without annoying people.
	No, no, that's fine.
	Well, before you go, do you want to tell us what your YouTube channel is?
	Your Twitter handle?
	Oh, I do appreciate it now.
	I try to use my YouTube account on here, but if you ever want to check out my YouTube videos, I mostly do just Let's Plays.
	Thirst48, T-H-I-R-S-T-4-8.
	The Twitter is the same way, except with an underscore beforehand.
	I do appreciate that, Sargon.
	I really do.
	And I will stop wasting everyone's time, and I will just say good day.
	Thanks for coming on, man.
	Thanks, everybody.
	No problem.
	Miss Castle has deferred to Sabrina, apparently.
	Sabrina.
	Oh, hi.
	Every time Sabrina goes past, I always look at her name and I think it says Shit Lord.
	Sabrina.
	It originally said Shit Lord and Oliver made it made a joke about it, you know, Sith Lord being better, so I changed Every day saying that.
	I don't know Hello.
	Oh, has he dropped again?
	I think he made it.
	That's fine.
	He'll be back on in a second.
	So this is the time I wish I had some music to fill the dead air, basically.
	But you can just make fun of his lousy internet.
	I mean, that's a good idea.
	I do.
	Well, yeah, basically, Sargon's internet is two baked bean cans, some I think it's potatoes.
	It's just potatoes like cobbled together with string.
	Really?
	Yeah, I think that's how it's going.
	Well, I think his other, his actual phone is one of those Fisher-Price ones where you just hit it and basically, you know, I called the camel.
	Oh, he's back, I think.
	Oh, he's back.
	Everyone shut up about Sargon's internet connection.
	Yeah, I'm back.
	You're definitely not using BT Infinity or anything then.
	I am actually on BT, yeah.
	But not BT Infinity.
	Oh, no.
	You know, the hotspot thing.
	I'm using that.
	It's total crap, isn't it?
	No, no, no.
	Honestly, it's a really good service.
	It's a really, really good service.
	It's just not perfect for what I do.
	But soon, 4th of November, guys, I'll have proper internet.
	What were you saying to me?
	We hadn't actually started, but the topic I wanted to talk about was how a lot of people that are piling into the anti-Gamergate side are attracted from the feminist side of things, and they're generally not gamers.
	I have a little short story from a few years ago.
	I had a good friend who I went to school with, we'd known each other for years, etc.
	And over, I don't know, a period of about a year, she started getting really into feminism and posting things about rape culture, etc.
	And I just kind of face palmed and thought, oh, it's a phase, you know, she'll find something else.
	And then one day, she posted a story on Facebook and tagged me in the comments.
	And it was about how gaming is really misogynistic and how they use all these horrible terms and phrases, etc.
	And I figured, okay, she's tagged me, she wants my input.
	So I gave her my input as a gamer and said, you know, I think this is a misrepresentation, etc.
	And then she just went off with me.
	She completely lost it.
	And loads of her friends dogpiled me.
	And none of them seemed to have any gaming experience, yet they were very, very keen on telling me that my experience didn't matter.
	Yeah, anyway, the details of that aren't important, but she ended up unfriending me over the incident.
	And I was just wondering how many other people have, you know, had that kind of experience as well.
	I've had more passive-aggressive things thrown my way, but nothing that extreme.
	Oh, really?
	Well, I've had people posting the odd Gorka article there, kind of, you know, the odd little retweet of somebody's comment.
	And I know they know because I'm one of the few gamergaters in the circle, basically, that is aimed at me.
	But I said to them, it's kind of like tweeting, you know, source material that is completely biased.
	It's like tweeting, I've said pravda at somebody, you know, for an unbiased view on communism.
	Of course, you're going to get fucking bias from it.
	It's pravda, you know, in the 60s or 70s, that kind of era type of thing.
	You know, it's so these people, yeah, they don't get the message, but I don't want to push it too far because these are real world friends.
	Yeah, it's difficult.
	On Facebook today, I also got called a sock puppet, but in a really condescending way, and it's like you can see that I'm a real person.
	I mean, surely, surely someone you knew, it was by a friend of a friend.
	So, you know, like the friend had the discussion, I chimed in, and then they accused me of being a sock puppet.
	I was like, away from this shit, even on Facebook.
	So, I salute you for your dedicated sock puppet skills.
	It takes a lot of work to maintain an entire Facebook account just as a sock.
	I mean, I'm really starting to wonder if there was, you know, some way of picking and choosing the kind of people we engage because for the hardline feminists who don't actually have any experience of gaming and don't want to understand, there's just nothing you can say, really, is there?
	I mean, I've had so many conversations which haven't gone anywhere because they just automatically discount your experience off the bat and defer to their trusted feminist authorities.
	Yeah, I think it's obviously, like you say, they don't care about gaming, they're not gamers.
	I think what it is is just a new frontier to colonize that they're concerned about, to be honest.
	I think they're just looking for new territory to conquer.
	Aside from academia, you mean?
	Yeah, yeah.
	Well, you know, they've built up a critical mass inside academia and the media with their communication skills courses, and now they're pushing out into the wider world to try and take over things.
	Yeah, I know you mentioned academia earlier, and I actually had to study a bit of critical theory for my university degree, which was an experience.
	It really, it really, well, I did English and history, and the core component for English was the critical theory module, and that's where we first studied, you know, postmodernism, etc., and third wave feminism, and Judith Butler.
	Oh, God, I said her name.
	And that kind of showed me that it wasn't really to do with critical thinking at all.
	It was literally just theory based on a lot of conjecture a lot of the time.
	And that really pushed me towards studying history instead.
	And yeah, my illusions about academia and how it should all be about thinking, evidence, etc.
	It was pretty much all blown away.
	So yeah.
	I can't believe that.
	Yeah, academia is just a massive circle jerk now.
	You just basically got to, if you want to advance in it, you've just got to basically cite the lecturer's book in your essay about a thousand times.
	Yeah, I felt like I just couldn't disagree sometimes with the professors.
	Like I tried to question in one seminar, okay, okay, this patriarchy, is this really the cause of this problem, etc.?
	And there are other factors involved here, especially like economic factors, etc.
	I feel like they don't take those into account a lot of the time.
	They're so centered on gender and patriarchy.
	The lecturers were not having any of it.
	So I just stopped.
	Classic case.
	Ask any feminist pseudoscientist, and they'll be able to tell you.
	You've got internalized soggy knees.
	Oh, dear.
	Oh, no.
	Can the NHS cover that?
	No, it's not clearable.
	It's up there with a bowl, though, on like the danger factor.
	Well, that was all I wanted to say anyway, so yeah.
	Well, thank you for coming on.
	No problem.
	Talk to you later.
	Bye.
	Who was next?
	Was it Miss Castle?
	Hello.
	And thank you for letting her go before me because I've been wanting to hear her personally.
	No, that's fine.
	Anyways, I wanted to mention why I even came into Gameringate was because of one of my friends, a female gamer, which is a person who's a lot like me in a weird way, even though different ages and all that stuff.
	Sorry if this is a rant.
	But she's a lot like me in the sense that, one, we've been pretty much gaming since we came out almost.
	And that sounds kind of dorky, but however, what these SJWs or people who keep on saying, oh, because you disagree with us, you're part of the rape culture.
	Well, that's kind of stupid because, one, a lot of us girls, there's a certain amount of us who have been victims, and my friend and I have been, but we do not let that dictate how we feel about men, women, or anybody.
	We're not oppressed by it.
	And we got into gaming because, one, it's really, really, really fun.
	We don't care what feminists think about the whole male characters things like COD2.
	You're playing it, you're enjoying it.
	You're just, you know, letting your aggressions out on it.
	Or stress.
	Yeah, no, no, sorry, absolutely.
	I fully agree.
	Fully agree.
	But all these girls who keep on ranting about how we're awful people, we're confused, or we're oppressed.
	Honestly, I don't think that a lot of us feel that way.
	And no girl can honestly describe how all women feel.
	Nobody can.
	And that's one of the things I feel is sexist in itself to assume that anybody can figure out how all women feel, internal misogyny, whatever.
	It's insanely presumptuous, isn't it?
	Yes.
	I mean, not too long ago, yesterday, in fact, this was kind of a little bit of my nudge against Brianna Wu.
	I went and bought out every single Assassin's Screed Cane because I wanted to try it.
	I don't care that it has a male character.
	They also have a female character.
	And not everybody likes it.
	I am enjoying it.
	But there is a couple of gamers there, and all of them were dudes, but I enjoyed the conversation.
	I was not even scared of them.
	They're gamers.
	And not a single one of them were what you'd call a, I guess, a man baby.
	A lot of them were just grown dudes who had kids or whatever.
	Pretty normal guys who just wanted to play games.
	Yes, and I love that because we just could talk like normal people.
	I wasn't scared.
	I hope they weren't scared.
	They probably were more afraid of you than you were of them.
	I know, that's one of the things that annoys me about the whole patriarchy thing is that when you look at it, you forget that males can also be afraid of women.
	And that's not to say all of them are, but men, no, they're just normal people.
	They're the grown, hairier version of females.
	Yeah, I think that women don't generally they don't understand the effect they have on men, especially when feminists have been talking to them and dripping poison into their ears because a lot of men really, especially young men, are quite they are a bit nervous around women.
	You know, so I feel a lot of these sorry I feel a lot of the guys that are like trying to shout at us, like that angry guy that we saw not too recently.
	Well, actually, actually recently, sorry, my bad.
	They see things like a little sign that, what was it, was it Anita Sarkeesian that had it, that all women are oppressed?
	I find that to be her little, it looks like a freaking mating call to say, yes, protect us feminists.
	That's your white night cue.
	And I'm like, no, holy crap.
	And they fall for it because that's all they have for them.
	That's all they have going.
	They could have done so much better.
	The guy does what he wants.
	Sorry.
	You can do it.
	No, no, no, no, no.
	No, no, I'm just agreeing with you, frankly.
	Yeah, they just want everyone to kind of white knight for them.
	And it's like, no, no, no.
	You wanted to be the strong, independent women.
	So, you know, go ahead.
	I don't need to white-knight for you.
	And when they, if Gamergate ever went, not happening, then what would be left for these guys that were white-knighting?
	Then it'd be them trying to shove them off because, ooh, patriarchy.
	That's just how I feel about it.
	But also, shoot, my mind's like, sorry.
	Don't worry about it.
	It's fine.
	But I agree with you.
	I think that these guys would basically be stuck with these women who I don't really think like them very much.
	I think they kind of, I don't know, you know, just not necessarily resent, but I don't think that I've seen too many articles about how feminists say things like, you know, male allies are great, but they're also the worst sometimes.
	And it's just like, right, okay, that's not how I would want to be talked to if I were a male feminist.
	God forbid.
	So.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, there we go.
	But yeah, was there anything else you wanted to say, Lynn?
	Actually, quite a few.
	First of all, this is probably shameless of me, but I'd like to add that I will be trying to draw Gamergate people or take donations to Extra Life or to my friend's Extra Life.
	I don't want any of the money goes to the charity.
	Additionally, actually, I can't think of anything other than early happy Halloween.
	I'm going to dress up as Zoe Brakesian Itosh.
	Yes.
	That's all I need to do.
	Make sure you take it from the listening class.
	Thanks for coming on.
	Thank you.
	I'm sorry.
	I'm not organized.
	Don't worry about it at all.
	Thanks a lot.
	Sargon, can you retweet the original thing to because there are people trying to get on the stream, apparently?
	Okay, hang on.
	Who's next in the meantime?
	In the meantime, it was Eve.
	I think it was John then no after that.
	So John first, which is the Ainsley Harriet caricature there.
	Are you there, John?
	Good evening.
	You have been visited by Anonymous Plus.
	We believe in what Anonymous believes in.
	Plus, we have faces.
	Plus, we have identities.
	We are for social justice.
	We are sick of this world ruled by white, straight, misogyned nerds.
	It's time for the women to take the world back.
	Oh, God.
	I didn't say trans.
	I think you're out of anonymous.
	I think I'm a misogynist.
	I need to shoot myself.
	Oh, shit.
	Can we get some suicide prevention numbers up, please?
	Yeah, no, no.
	We've got counsel.
	Oh, my stomach!
	The patriarchy did this.
	God.
	The pain.
	Okay, well that was Ainsley Harriot, everyone.
	Ain't Lee Harry has changed a lot since last year, didn't he?
	Listen, Matt, don't judge him.
	Okay.
	Okay.
	Sorry.
	Sorry.
	No control.
	Are you there?
	I am.
	Can you hear me?
	Hello, yes.
	Oh, excellent.
	So I was actually going to be in London in like two weeks.
	I don't know where you were at, or if you like ale, but I'm definitely going to be putting a lot of them down during that week.
	If you wanted to have a pint.
	I'm actually not in London.
	I'm the other way.
	Well, I'm kind of about an hour on the train west of there.
	Don't dox yourself.
	I'm not going to dox myself.
	Or, yeah, especially, sorry, don't dox yourself.
	I'm honestly worried about it.
	I'm really not.
	I actually need a bit of cutlery myself, to be honest.
	In fact, if there are any social justice warriors listening, I actually do actually need some more teaspoons.
	And I could do it with a fairly sharp knife myself.
	So if you want to send me one or a couple, that would be awesome.
	I actually broke a plate the other day as well.
	So if you don't mind.
	Sorry, you got off the board.
	So I'm listening to this very stream, and I've watched her other streams about the different academic researchers.
	And I've actually been in email conversations with a few of them.
	And I'm not a feminist or whatever, but I do have to read papers all the time for my job.
	And I got a few of them to actually send me some of their work.
	And I'm actually kind of working on this assertion that I'm asserting that I think a lot of the writers in the press and a lot of activists are actually distorting or misrepresenting what's being presented in some of this work.
	And actually, one of the people I've been talking to, I've been very impressed with.
	And this is going to, it might even make you kick me off your show here.
	I've been talking to Adrian Shaw.
	And it's actually been, yeah, it's been crazy because I went into some of these conversations fully expecting just, I don't know, the same kind of craziness we see in Twitter and in the articles.
	And it hasn't been that way.
	And some of them have actually expressed frustration with how their work is cited and misrepresented by some of these writers and how some of the there's like just crazy people who almost turn they just turn their their work almost into like a mythology or a religion.
	So I think that's very interesting and it's something I'm working on writing some pieces about and I'm going to do a podcast with actually some of them.
	Really?
	Send me a link.
	I'll be very interested in hearing it.
	What's Adrian Shaw like?
	Really nice actually.
	Why can't she just fuck off and leave gaming alone then?
	No, I'm sorry.
	I'm actually genuinely serious because she is pretty much responsible for this at this point.
	If it wasn't for her stupid article in 2011, the gaming press wouldn't have had any academic legitimacy to attack gamers with.
	Why is she such a bigot against white men as well?
	So I'm not going to answer all that right now, but I'll tell you, yeah, I don't think that she's going to be.
	I'm going to have her on the podcast, and I'll be addressing this directly because I don't think she is as evil as you might, you know, as some people think they are.
	It's actually, like I said, this is about time actually I came out and tell you this.
	I actually read her papers and then got onto an email conversation and I was just, I don't know what I expected, dude, but it hasn't been that way.
	And she's pretty open and she's really nice.
	And I think people will be surprised by the podcast.
	And I think people will see that there is, in fact, a schism between the feminist game study community and how they're represented by activists and journalists.
	I'm a bit skeptical myself because I've sat in on a few academic type ones and they do seem I can't agree with some of what you said, but I don't know with regards to Adrian Shaw, but I have sat in on a few of them and they are a bit sort of vitriolic basically.
	I'm not making a statement about all of them saying the few that I've interacted with have not come across that way.
	Oh, but I've read some of them which are complete shit because clearly they're more activists than they are academic.
	Right, yeah, I think that's a real problem with a lot of this sort of thing.
	But I've read a bunch of Shaw's papers and I'm not impressed.
	I'm not impressed at her attitude in the papers.
	She really seems to have I don't really know how to put it, if not using the word bigotry.
	She seems to be obsessed with white men and how bad they are.
	So I don't know what to say, really.
	I find I mean I'm not surprised that she's nice in person because most people are.
	But I can't agree with the things she does.
	Right.
	Well, again, I'm not.
	In fact, when I got into the start of the conversation, I was very clear.
	I'm not a feminist.
	No, no, I know.
	I'm sorry.
	I know it sounds like I'm attacking you.
	I know I am.
	I know it's not.
	Not at all.
	Sorry.
	No, no, not at all.
	But I introduce myself that way to her.
	But I do have to read papers all the time.
	And I think one of the things we're going to try to do is actually a lot of the language in the work sometimes is couched or surrounded by Very feminist language, which is off-putting when you're reading it.
	And I want to sort of filter that out and get to the maybe substantial part of what they're writing.
	And that is, I tell you, that's not easy, but I think people will be surprised on the podcast.
	Anyway, well, make sure you send me a link.
	Send me a link and I'll get that retweeted.
	Make sure everyone can hear it.
	Sure.
	Well, thanks for having me on.
	No, thanks for coming on.
	I really appreciate that, actually.
	I'm very interested to hear what they say.
	Yeah, me.
	I think people will be surprised.
	I think they will as well.
	I think I'm surprised.
	All right, well, thanks.
	I think he's gone.
	Right.
	Who's the next person, mate?
	Next one is Siren.
	Saren.
	That'll be Kieran.
	Sorry.
	It probably is an Irish.
	It's the Irish spelling.
	It's still pronounced Kieran, but it's fine.
	Yeah, I'm totally fanboying at the moment, actually.
	This is totally.
	Well, I wanted to talk, first of all, something actually that was talked about about an hour ago, so you've probably forgotten about already.
	But the whole, someone mentioned the ASDA equal pay thing recently.
	There's a class action suit going on against ASDA.
	The issue with it is they're saying that it's men versus women, that women are being paid less, but it's actually two completely different jobs.
	They're talking about the shelf stackers, which is a job that's mostly done by women, and the men working in the warehouses, because that's a job mostly done by men.
	And saying they're basically the same, even though they're completely different.
	And what they're essentially saying is that because it's mostly men doing one and mostly women doing another, that that's therefore sexist, that they should be paid the same, even though they're not.
	But they are completely different jobs.
	It one requires, you know, like being able to drive forklifts and things, and there's an awful lot more effort goes into it.
	So obviously this is an issue that's constantly happening because of the whole equal pay bollocks.
	But yeah, but that was only something I wanted to briefly mention.
	The thing I wanted to talk to you about, if at all possible, is have you seen, I don't know, I wasn't here at the beginning of the stream, so you may have already mentioned it, or you might have done a response to it or something, Jessica Valenti's latest article in The Guardian, which was posted yesterday.
	I actually went over it with King of Poland, his stream.
	All right, okay.
	I only read it earlier today, and it made me so angry.
	Because it was just the way she connected Gamergate to mass shootings and domestic violence.
	What are you talking about, woman?
	I just don't have the same at all.
	Yeah, it irritated the hell out of me.
	There is no time.
	It's ridiculous.
	There is literally no link between them.
	And it's bloody.
	It's awful everything that's going to going on.
	But essentially, that's all I had to say.
	So the reason I can just leave now if you like.
	I've got thank you very much.
	Thanks for coming on, man.
	Take care.
	Faroo.
	Faroo.
	I'm not sure how to pronounce that.
	You there?
	Yes.
	Hi.
	You're hearing me.
	That's a nice lizard avatar thing you've got.
	Oh, shit.
	That's from the ID card.
	That's not supposed to be seen in public.
	How's it going?
	Hi, it's actually a misspelling of feral bezel, but okay.
	You know, boring story behind, you know, screen names and misspellings.
	But a couple points I'd like to make.
	I'm not a gamer.
	I mean, I'm still wrestling with open TTD.
	But so, you know, take that for what it's worth.
	I think you guys need a list of specific demands that you can point to.
	Every time they start going, you know, misogyny, misogyny, hate, bomb threats, whatever.
	No, this is what we're talking about.
	These demands.
	Are you going to agree to them or are you going to reject them?
	Hmm.
	That's an interesting idea.
	What would you recommend?
	Well, not being a gamer, I had some.
	I did a blog post that nobody read because I have no followers.
	But basically, you need something regarding conflict of interest, some more ideological diversity in the gaming press, not just trendy lefty PC people.
	There's one other point I forget.
	Oh, you know, no backdoor collusion.
	Do you think they're going to agree to those things?
	No, but if you keep hammering on it, they can't deflect with the bomb threats and say, okay, yes, there are jerks doing this, but here are the issues.
	If you keep hammering on that, and they might capitulate somewhat.
	Well, it's an interesting idea.
	I mean, the thing is, there's no one who can authorize that.
	There's no one who can say that's the case.
	Frankly, I would just like to see Gorka go down.
	I really, I think, personally, I really despise Gorka as an institution.
	I hate clickbait, and I hate that they are just, you know, they've done so well out of producing nothing but bullshit that's just watered down the internet.
	And I think that if an example was made out of Gorka and Gorka subsidiaries, then that would probably be enough of a message.
	I think, I mean, that's just me, I guess.
	I mean, I don't know.
	But yeah, the problem is to have a list of demands, we'd have to have an organizational structure.
	Well, you could do that.
	Or you could just have someone put up a list of demands, one person, whatever, and just have people say this is what we want.
	If enough people do it just en masse, and if other people put up another list, you don't really need a formal structure.
	Well, I don't think they're getting one.
	I normally think internet petitions are bullshit, but that's another venue you could go with.
	Hmm.
	Well, I don't really know at the moment, I'm afraid.
	But I don't see the structure.
	A refusal to agree to the list or any points on the list is basically a blatant admission of corruption, too.
	That's true.
	That's true.
	But I mean, Matt Binder already admitted that there were a bunch of corrupt bastards, didn't he?
	Yeah, I don't pay attention to that guy.
	He sounds like Snagglepuss.
	I've seen a couple of things when that Snagglepuss accent he's got is just annoying.
	So I can't get past that to evaluate what he says.
	He kind of sounds like his balls are in a vice all the time, doesn't he?
	Yeah, he's full of shit.
	But yeah, no, If this was any other sort of thing, then I would agree, you know, but if it was any other sort of thing, there'd probably be an organizational structure in place.
	So I mean, it's not a bad idea or anything.
	I just don't see how it's going to work.
	I think it's definitely good to have it out so people can talk about it.
	Yeah, well, that would work.
	And another thing I want to talk about is I think you're focusing too much on the conspiracy aspect of it and not enough on the orthodoxy aspect of it.
	It's not a conspiracy.
	That was basically a first impression when we found out all the digra stuff.
	But it's not a conspiracy.
	It's an orthodox.
	Yeah, it's orthodoxy.
	It is.
	It's culture.
	They don't need to conspire because everyone's indoctrinated into this sort of culture.
	So they're all working towards the same ends.
	So they don't need to conspire.
	If it's a conspiracy, they're not aware of it.
	They're not aware what they're doing is conspiracy.
	This is the water they swim in, isn't it?
	Well, I didn't see anybody being aware of that on the Gamergate side, so okay.
	Sorry.
	No, no, no.
	You're right.
	I mean, the thing is, conspiracy is the lowest assumption.
	The assumption with the least guilt attached to it.
	It's a few people keeping it secret from the rest because if people knew what they were doing, then they would be exposed, and then they'd lose their jobs.
	But it turns out that that's not the case.
	It's actually worse than that.
	It's so pervasive that there is no need for a conspiracy.
	A true conspiracy wouldn't have been as clumsy as they have been.
	Yeah, absolutely.
	That's another thing.
	If they're conspiring, they're crap at it.
	But no, I agree with you.
	I totally agree.
	It's not a conspiracy.
	It's culture.
	Oh, great.
	That's pretty much all I had to say, except for one more thing.
	You're now a Tory.
	I'm a what?
	You're a Tory now.
	I'm a Tory now.
	God damn it.
	I've seen that.
	Why am I Tory?
	Well, from what I understand of British political party alignments, you seem to be pro-market, pro-personal responsibility.
	And those seem to be the Tory positions.
	They're pro-social health care and pro-gay marriage.
	Are the Tories against that?
	I don't know.
	There's no point being left or right in England because you get the same bullet either way.
	It's just they're politicians.
	They don't stand for anything.
	They stand for money.
	And so they'll say whatever they need to say.
	They'll do whatever they need to do.
	They'll just bend over.
	I don't even think that's necessarily a conservative position.
	I really don't.
	I think there are plenty of liberals who are pro-free market and personal responsibility out there.
	Not in America.
	Not in America.
	They're not.
	Yeah, I suppose not over there, but over here, I think most people are.
	No, you know, here the left is pretty much for, you know, technically you'd call it fascism, but the term's a little strong.
	No, it is, isn't it?
	It's technically fascism.
	They want private, nominal private ownership, but government control.
	Yeah.
	Just so everyone's aware that fascism is literally the merger of corporate and state power.
	So when governments control corporations or corporations control governments, you've got fascism.
	Yeah.
	And, you know, I mean, here, you know, they always complain about the big, large chain stores taking over entire cities where pretty much most of the cities in America are now pretty homogenous.
	And what they don't realize is that's largely because of the regulations that they're equipped to deal with that the smaller businesses can't.
	Yeah, they're the ones pushing for those regulations as well, aren't they?
	They deny it, but they s tend to give money to the politicians who put them forth.
	Yeah, exactly.
	That's the the end result is that they've given money to people who have pushed for reg leg legislation that benefits them directly.
	So, you know.
	Yeah, 'cause I mean they fear competition more than anything else.
	Of course.
	Yeah.
	Once you've got hegemony, why would you want to allow competition?
	Yeah, I'm going to have to look up that word.
	I keep hearing it and I'm not quite sure what it means.
	Dominance.
	Unchannel unchallenged dominance, effectively.
	That's it?
	Not by a specific demographic or no, no, no, by a specific, you know, like by a minority by definition or by a majority by definition or yeah.
	No, I don't think it necessarily has to be by a majority or a minority by definition.
	Just whichever just whatever it is you're talking about.
	You could have, for example, like if we look at the gaming press, there's the hegemony of social justice and feminism across the gaming press.
	It's got, you know, there's no one opposing it.
	So but anyway, thanks uh thanks for coming in.
	All right, thank you.
	Bye.
	Take care.
	Was it Morala next?
	Yeah.
	That's cracked.
	Hey guys.
	How's it going?
	Not so bad.
	Can you hear me all fine?
	Very well.
	You have an adorable avatar.
	It's baby Cthulhu.
	I love it.
	What I was going to talk about, I've actually been spending quite a lot of time recently, well, the last four or five days, upwards of five hours, sat watching the Twitter feeds as part of the harassment patrol.
	And there's been quite a lot of discussion over Twitter as well as in Kotaku in Action regarding whether we should be doing it or not, whether we're tone policing.
	At what point do we cut off and say, okay, that's not harassment, that is harassment, and so on.
	I was wondering if you had a take on should we be doing it, if so, how you know, what level of harassment do we start reporting and so on?
	I think that harassment's usually quite obvious to distinguish between to distinguish from criticism or disagreement.
	Yes.
	You know, no, I basically would you personally send a message, you know, telling someone whatever, you know, whatever death threats or whatever they've claimed to receive, you know, that that, yeah, that's fine.
	That's right.
	Personally, I've been actual going to or someone should do actions is what I've been limiting it to in terms of what I would consider to be harassment.
	You know, I am going to beat you, kill you, whatever, is where I have been considering to be the cutoff.
	But like I said, there's just been this massive discussion regarding that.
	The other one I wanted to bring up is the I think she's known as Based Mom 2 who did the video.
	She was fantastic.
	And I had a lot of respect for her.
	I also have an autistic son.
	And what really got me riled up and actively pursuing Gamergate rather than just sitting at the sidelines with my popcorn and my cup of tea was that the discussion or the bullying that was evident of people with neuroatypical issues was something that just got me so angry that I could have I could have hit someone at that point.
	Are we talking about Brianna Wu calling someone a fucking aspie or something?
	Oh, it was the um uh god, what's his name, that said that he'd been spending having fun spending his time tormenting neuroatypical people.
	Oh, yeah.
	I can't remember.
	I can't remember his name at the moment.
	He's a Gawker writer.
	And that's what sparks the Matt Cernovich boxing match challenge and that time period.
	Yeah.
	That's really what got me so angry about it.
	And being told that I apparently I have a penis that I've never found.
	I'm still waiting to receive it in the mail.
	You might want to check with the UK Post Office.
	It's not reliable at the best.
	That is a good point, actually.
	Yes, the mat upstairs has received half of my mail over the last couple of months.
	I'll go and check with them, see if they've received it.
	Excuse me, do you have my penis?
	Well, thank you very much for having me on, guys.
	And a big thank you for all that you've been doing as well.
	It's been helping to keep everyone sane, I think.
	No problem.
	Thanks for coming on.
	And yourself.
	Bye.
	Bye.
	Is the next one Herman?
	Yeah, Herman, who is ironically from Germany.
	But I'm not.
	Ironically.
	No, no, just for the Herman the German thing.
	Okay, okay.
	Sorry.
	Yeah, whatever.
	How's it going?
	Well, hi.
	Yeah, very good.
	How are you?
	Very good, thanks.
	Yeah, I just wanted to say I'm amazed how this Gamergate thing went.
	How this is going for like two months.
	And I don't know.
	When I look at what is happening at the gamer press, then I really have to say that Gamergate is still keeping going.
	It's just wonderful.
	Yeah.
	And I don't know.
	WordPress too.
	In Germany, we don't have things like that.
	I mean, we have some things like that, very mildly.
	There has been a case in a university where they introduced instead of a gendered language, so the professors are now called professics and shit like that.
	What?
	What?
	Instead of putting a gender in the end of the word, they put a X next.
	Professor.
	Professor.
	Professics, exactly.
	Right, that's actually a female gendered term, if I'm correct.
	Hang on, let me look this up.
	Yeah, if you...
	I don't know.
	In Germany it's more or less...
	I think it would be neutral, but...
	What the fuck?
	Well...
	Excuse me, sorry.
	Is it IX at the end of the word, yeah?
	It's just an X.
	So it doesn't even really fit the word.
	It doesn't.
	How do you spell it?
	Like professor and then an X. Professor X. Is he an X?
	But you just say Professor X.
	I mean, it's this is all levels of death.
	It's really stupid, but I don't know about a lot of cases like this.
	Like these gender prefixes they are trying to introduce in the US.
	I don't know a lot about that, but I think that's more or less the same thing.
	That's really weird because I mean, I've just gone to dictionary.com and Professor comes from medieval Latin, which just means sort of pro-knowledge, basically, and then the declarative tour at the end for someone who is pro-knowledge, essentially.
	It's not gendered.
	Why are you not going to gender neutral?
	I don't know.
	Because, well, German language is gendered.
	So some words are male and some words are female.
	The social justice warriors must hate you.
	There is just so much we need to sort out with these continental European languages.
	Absolutely.
	And I'm really happy that we don't have that much of a problem of those here.
	I've really never seen big issues like that.
	Sometimes there are news where they want pupils being called both genders, like you say, boys and girls, or something like that, but that's about it.
	And so what I'm very happy about this big revolution of GamerJade is, oh my god, my language.
	Is that I am a little bit worried about this coming actually to Germany.
	All this crap, which doesn't even really help anything.
	I mean, if there are really people oppressed, these things don't help the people.
	Putting pressure on other people just so there is more.
	I don't know how to phrase that, but no, I understand what you're trying to say.
	It doesn't help anyone, does it?
	I think that's actually probably one of my biggest problems with this whole thing.
	If it was providing really tangible results and if people were doing so much better because of it, I'd probably be able to say, you know what, okay, fine.
	It's making them good people.
	It's really helping them out.
	Is it so bad?
	But it's turning them into the most vile, vile people I've ever met in my life.
	You know, just spiteful, hateful human beings on the other side of Gamergate.
	And I'm just like, okay, that's really weird.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, exactly.
	They are so rude that even if they wanted to, even if they had a good point, they could not convince anyone of it because they are so rude.
	At this level of rudeness, you could never convince anyone of your point because you would just offend them.
	And I think that's like the initial point of Gamergate, where, I mean, all this, this is all going still about the social justice warriors, but what the root of all this is.
	I mean, Gamergate would never have become so big if not the whole gaming press had insulted every gamer because a small group did investigations on Zoe Quinn and all that.
	Yeah.
	It's exactly that.
	It's a pain in the ass, but they brought it on their own heads, so this is where we are.
	Exactly.
	Yeah, well, I just wanted to say I love your videos.
	I love King of Paul videos.
	I love Internet aristocrats videos.
	I follow the tweets and I hope this doesn't come to game to Germany and I wish Gamergate much luck.
	And yeah.
	Keep tweeting, I guess, mate.
	Keep tweeting.
	I will.
	I'm not tweeting a lot.
	Tweeting is not big in Germany.
	No, it's not really big here either, but you have to do it.
	Gotta be done.
	Thanks for coming on, man.
	Bye.
	Take care.
	Um, Kerbs, do you want to take a couple while I grab a cup of tea?
	Yes, that's f fine.
	I had literally just switched off and started playing Titanfall.
	I'm a bad person.
	Let me just uh what?
	I can't.
	I can't do it.
	I am literally addicted to Titanfall again, so it's with a new DLT.
	Well, you know, now it's up to you.
	I'll be back in a minute.
	That's fine.
	I'll hold the thought.
	Andreas, I think you're up next, if you're still in.
	Hi.
	Can you guys hear me?
	Yeah, we can.
	Unfortunately, you haven't got the full Sargon experience because he's gone to make a cup of tea.
	Don't worry.
	I have the Sargon experience for himself.
	My internet just cracked out.
	Is it gone again?
	Or is that me?
	Gone again, I think.
	Yeah, I think Andres has shit the bed.
	Right.
	Judging by the order, because I think next was Gray and then George, I think it was by the order that I had.
	So Gray, if you're available.
	I'm still trying to sort this out, what I was actually going to say, because I had to create a scrap account.
	So please allow George to go first.
	That's fine, no problem, George, if you want to go.
	Sorry, is George me?
	Yeah, according to your name on the screen.
	This is my scrap account, sorry.
	That's fine.
	You are George.
	Hello.
	Alright, hi.
	Okay, so basically, I would like to get my thoughts out on Gamergate a bit.
	Yeah, no problem.
	I guess my beginnings with this is that I saw the tweet, the Twit Longer made by Total Biscuit, and the sort of the comment section graveyard.
	I just went like, what the fuck is going on?
	I sort of emailed my friends, like, what, have you seen this?
	This is, I think it's, has there ever been anything like that before in Reddit history?
	Oh.
	Wait, is this the sorry?
	The one Tom Total Biscuit, was it his recent blog post?
	No, it was the first one.
	His response to the Zoe Quinn scandal at the very beginning.
	Oh, right.
	Okay, no.
	That was pretty huge.
	Sorry, man.
	You dropped, so we moved on, but we'll come back to that.
	He can take his turn, man.
	I don't mind.
	No, don't worry.
	Go right ahead.
	Yep, sorry.
	Go on, George.
	Okay.
	So beyond that, okay.
	I'd like to voice certain, I guess, concerns I have about how things are going forward.
	Things like perhaps destroying I don't it was I think it's UBM that owned Gamma Sutra.
	Yeah.
	Like you know I I emailed with the rest of you, but I'm not sure destroying for the sake of destroying is the the best path to take.
	I've been emailing with the rest and I absolutely think we should do so, but I think we should email so we can get discourse.
	Email until they respond and offer to actually do changes.
	And I mean, if they don't, we'll burn the place to the ground.
	But I really don't know.
	I think that's what people have been attempting to do is create a discourse with these people.
	But I don't think Lei Alexander at any time, I mean, the way that she acted during the whole Gamergate thing has been pretty poor.
	She's only recently just been slightly more human towards some of these characters that have been tweeting her about her birthday and things like that.
	And that was very you know, that was very nice of Gamergate to do.
	I think it did show a bit of humanity to somebody that's been pretty awful to people since Dot, basically.
	She's not very good at engaging with people.
	And I think it's because she's been Leigh Alexander, because she's been in her own echo chamber for so bloody long.
	She has been just drowning her own voice out with a megaphone.
	But I can see what you're saying.
	I would personally like to see Gorka burned to the ground and take Garma Sutra.
	I don't really have a horse in that race at all.
	But I can see what you're saying.
	Yeah, and like, don't get me wrong, I hate Gawker, but I don't know if, like, because I feel that when we talk about burning it to the ground, we might be getting into slightly selfish territory.
	Like, I hate the shit out of those articles, but I also see that there are people who enjoy those articles.
	Like, okay, BuzzFeed is a horrible, horrible website full of trash and garbage.
	But I've seen people around me who really enjoy it and get pleasure from reading the top ten shittiest posts on the goddamn website.
	No, I've seen that.
	I've seen that too, but not from Gorka.
	I've never seen anybody pull up a Gorka article and go, I've really enjoyed that.
	BuzzFeed's a massive waste of time.
	Gorka is just a massive drain on people's sanity.
	And if it wants to be professional, clean itself up.
	If it wants to transgress from what it actually is at the moment, which is just a massive pile of shite, which I don't see people enjoying, and I don't see people going to Gorka as the first sort of call for sort of news or anything like that, then yeah, I understand there is a place for these places if they adhere to journalistic practices and don't see themselves above the law and don't basically stick their head up their own ass and say their shit doesn't stink.
	Yeah, and I mean, of course, recently what they supported bullying and then in response to people being angry about that, they wrote an article shitting on their audience and also on their advertisers.
	So I mean right now they're just digging their own fucking grave and I am happy to help them dig it.
	Yeah, just because I've seen certain people ostensibly say that we should burn them to the ground even if they do change.
	Well it's Schadenfreude for me.
	It is pure Schadenfreude and someone said at work that they were going to get me a t-shirt with that on.
	Because I am literally enjoying this and call me sadistic or whatever, but I've been saying this for years.
	So I just hope it goes that way.
	And I hope that something better comes along.
	You know, somebody learns a lesson and replaces these fucks, basically.
	Absolutely.
	And then there were there were certain because I tried sort of talking to people who aren't involved in this, right?
	And well so my my sister is a feminist.
	So I tried talking to her about it.
	And that resulted in uh her not listening, getting angry, calling 99% of gamers misogynists and walking away because uh I wasn't listening to her, which is completely untrue.
	So then I started debating, well, talking to other other people in my family.
	And this was in response to them showing me an article on Gamergate written by a newspaper in Quebec actually, which was basically a slander piece.
	It was sort of a very short half a page deal where the author made their biased opinion clear in the beginning and then gave sarcastic definitions to many terms.
	I believe that their definition of feminist was more scary than a troll, something like that.
	So it was just stupid, sarcastic bullshit.
	And this was defended by the people who I talked to on grounds of it being an opinion piece.
	So you know, it's totally okay for them to just show a completely one-sided argument which misrepresents the movement and insults people, including Adam Baldwin, who it insulted personally.
	And yeah, I Gorka are quite famous for that, though, aren't they?
	Yeah, they like to be sensationalists.
	You know, they are a tabloid online.
	This wasn't actually Gawker.
	This was a sort of a smaller press thing in Quebec City.
	And one thing which was brought up to me when I started conversing with these people, which one of the things actually very much supports what you said, Sargon, in response to MSNBC, was that I was really worried about this type of article because I thought, you know, this is going to turn the general public against us and we're going to have a video games causes violence thing where everybody is attacking video games knowing nothing about them.
	But what was pointed out to me is if you don't care about video games, you're not going to read an article about video games.
	Which for some reason I hadn't thought of before.
	No, that's not always the case, because some people will read these just for the r wider sort of cultural impact.
	So and then they'll form their opinions and then realize that they they're quite happy that they didn't start playing video games or something like that.
	They'll say something really you know patronizing based on what they've read and th they won't bother reading anything else again.
	That's the annoying thing.
	Yeah, yeah.
	I actually want them all over TV.
	I want them acting as they act on TV and I want as many people to see it as possible.
	Because most people will look at them and go, well, that's not a very pleasant human being that I you know whatever she's saying it might be all true and all that but she's pretty she's pretty foul.
	You know, she's coming on, she's playing the victim, she's and like with Zoe Quinn, she was obviously hamming it up, obviously.
	Anyone with half a brain of come on, you know, you don't even need to know who she is.
	I don't think I'd ever seen her actually talking on on camera and film before then.
	And I was just like, oh good grief, come on.
	So let them that they they've got the seeds of their own undoing right there.
	Sargon, you must have seen you must have seen Brianna Wu's recent uh her her conversation where she sort of happily said that she was the most harassed person in all of Gamergate and just hammed the shit out of it.
	Yeah, uh, exactly.
	And you know, when your average person sees that, they're gonna be like, you know what, I don't even care what these people have to say, fuck 'em.
	That's what I think anyway.
	Well, was there was one I think it was the second segment on MSNBC.
	No, it was that one, sorry.
	I started watching it the first time and I stopped immediately because she started accusing Gamergate of doing things before Gamergate existed.
	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
	I think you might have to, man.
	We're getting a bit of a backlog.
	Yeah, sorry.
	I'm just would like to quickly say that Sargon, fucking love you.
	Fucking love your videos.
	Cerberus, you're amazing too.
	And sorry, gotta.
	Thank you very much.
	Bye, guys.
	Thanks, Ron.
	Who was next?
	Let me just check.
	I'm going by this.
	That was no, that's wrong.
	Fox, I think.
	And then we'll go back to Andreas.
	Hello.
	How's it going?
	What would you like to say?
	Oh, well, before two months ago, I had no idea about any of this social justice stuff, so the past two months has been very eye-opening for me, to say the least.
	I had no idea about a lot of this.
	But even with that, I find the idea that people can be this surprised that people are set with games media when it's basically been the butt of every joke for maybe five years now, six years, is just crazy.
	Yeah, it's just finding out about their code up.
	Yeah, I mean, the media and games media in general has been very condescending, especially past two or three years, like adamantly so, that it's just been crazy.
	I'm surprised something like this hadn't happened sooner.
	But there is something I wanted to say.
	I see a lot of people freaking out with the bad mainstream media coverage, especially the MSNBC pieces.
	Sorry, Gon, I know you're not in America, but it's pretty common knowledge.
	Nobody actually watches MSNBC anymore.
	Like, their reputation is worse than Fox News' at this point.
	If you can believe that.
	I'm left-leaning.
	I'm left-leaning.
	MSNBC has a worse reputation.
	Hello?
	Sorry, yeah, I got yourself.
	Okay.
	Yeah, MSNBC has a far worse reputation and far less people watch it than most people would think.
	Like, I mentioned this to someone recently that Inter Aristocrats' conspiracy videos and Gamergate videos have more views than people that probably actually saw those segments aired.
	If you look at the view counts, I would bet money on that because they're that far down.
	Like, I see a lot of people freaking out.
	There's nothing to freak out.
	The only people that still watch it are the people that are that far in the tank for the far, far left ideologies.
	So people really freaking out over that is they shouldn't be.
	There's nothing really to worry about.
	I had actually gone on a trip to an Apple field recently with some friends, and they brought up Gamergate.
	I didn't bring it up.
	I mean, I've been invested for two months because I've had a heavy hatred of Game Eater for some time, so I'm really invested.
	And they were they're kind of out of it.
	They're more casual players and stuff.
	And what their takeaway from it from watching whatever they saw of it was I don't understand what they were talking about.
	'Cause nothing they were saying.
	They were saying it's about hatred of women, but they said they were emailing advertisers and the narrative from the outside apparently doesn't make a lot of sense unless you're already in that mindset.
	So when I explained it to them, they said that, yeah, that makes more sense than whatever I just watched on the news.
	That's what I'm talking about when I'm saying that I want these people to be on the news.
	The shit that comes out of their mouths, like you say, to the average person, it makes no goddamn sense.
	And then as soon as they get told what the Gamergate perspective is, they go, oh, yeah, no, I understand.
	I had to do the same with a few of my friends, actually.
	Yeah, they're more casual gamers, but a lot of them are really into comics.
	And I explained the parallel between the recent Spider-Woman thing, because there was a huge Facebook fight amidst my friends where there is one very heavy SJW person, I guess I could call him now, where it ended up just being me and him discussing the Maddox video on the Spider-Woman comic cover.
	And it got to the point where I just showed everything and refuted all of his points clearly, and everybody was like, okay, that makes sense.
	To the point where he just said, well, that only makes sense if you use the real definition of misogyny.
	And I said, what?
	If you don't mind that we do, don't mind that you use the real definition of the words you are using, then you're wrong.
	It's like, oh, well, I don't think I have to say anything at this point, because that's just insane.
	I think that's a great victory.
	Yeah, like the likes on the Facebook posts were so lopsided at that point.
	It was just like, I don't have any reason to, this person just exposed himself.
	I'm good friends with them, but I can see this thought process is just so blinding, I guess, to these people that they can't see just in front of them what they're saying.
	Because before all this, misogynist is like, I think that's a really strong word to use.
	I would only use it to one person.
	There's a co-worker I had.
	He's a very angry person, but he only got married to have a child.
	He doesn't really care about his wife.
	He just sees his wife as a vessel to have a child with.
	That's what I would consider a misogynist.
	That's very meaning and a very hateful view on this person's view on women.
	Saying that a depiction of a female body is misogynist, I just find that crazy.
	I guess one last thing I want to hit on.
	Somebody mentioned earlier about media watchdog or listing Gamergate demands.
	They aren't going to listen to us until we hurt them more.
	I hesitate to use the word hurt, I guess, but until it's clear that this isn't going away and that it's having an effect on their business, you can't set up a media watchdog kind of group.
	You can't really list set demands until that kind of blow is dealt.
	So it's their war.
	They wanted it.
	Yep.
	So when I see a lot of people yelling shill or whatever else at people saying we should make a media watchdog group, like Milo, I saw on Milo's radio show he mentioned it was a good idea, and I agree.
	It's probably the next step of where this should go.
	But until that power is established, that power shift is established, and the Gamergate name isn't just, oh, it's misogynist.
	That's all it is.
	You can't take them seriously.
	Because if we did that now, it would just be the media watchdog run by misogynists, so ignore it.
	It means nothing.
	So I think establishing that before the next step is taken is probably a lot more important than just establishing it to begin with.
	Yeah, no, I I agree.
	I I personally would I mean I'm the way I'm picturing it is I'm thinking of some giant city, you know, like New York or something.
	You've got these high-rise buildings and these people can probably look out across the skyscrapers and see each other standing in the windows and watching each other.
	You know, they they they probably all know where each other's fucking offices are.
	And what I want is metaphorically one of the buildings to just come straight down like the Gorka HQ, you know, suddenly one day it's empty.
	You know, it's there's no one in there.
	And they're all just looking around like, what the fuck?
	And then, you know, but they carry on doing what they're doing, and then suddenly another one just goes dark, and then they're just like, Jesus, what's going on?
	And effectively, you know, they're too high up to see the crowds of Gamergate at the bottom, you know, boycotting them effectively.
	And, you know, just really shit them up a bit.
	Because they need it.
	Clearly.
	Yeah, the ivory towers are too strong at this point.
	Like, some of the things I've seen people say are just crazy.
	And I come from, like, I mean, Mess Effect 3 happened.
	I'm a huge Devil May Cry fan, so when DMC dropped, I wasn't.
	I wasn't like the media spin on that was so crazy with the white hair and all this other like belittling stuff that nobody was actually saying.
	But the media narrative was that to the point where people would say it even though they have no history with the series and all this other stuff.
	And after seeing like the collusion revealed and game journals pro and stuff, I went back and looked at a lot of these reviews for this game.
	They all said the same exact thing.
	Almost like these.
	These reviews, these these pieces on this game all said the same narrative.
	All from competing sites, all from different people from all different but supposedly different views, saying the same exact thing and like neglecting things, like the game had horrible frame rate issues, it had terrible pop-ins, texture pop-ins and all this other stuff, and none of that was really brought up.
	It was all this just the narrative, the what they were pushing it.
	I'm sorry dude, you've taken.
	I apologize.
	Thank you for having me.
	No problem, it's okay.
	We've just got quite a few people to go through now.
	So thanks a lot if you could drop out man, we need space.
	Have a nice day.
	Oh also Sargon, I'm a huge fan, you're great.
	But thanks for coming on man, I appreciate it.
	But yeah, I think that'll probably be enough people for this evening's work okay so yeah, who's next Gray?
	Was it Andres?
	Andres Gonzalez, back on after he dropped.
	So yeah hi uh, can you guys hear me?
	Yes, how's it going?
	Hi um, really good, thank you.
	Uh, first of all, I'm a big fan, and now I get on my point, as I tried to state earlier before my phone kicked me in the nuts, uh, is that there?
	I live in Chile and there is no, and there is no coverage on any of the of Gamergate on the two free months that have that has been going on, and I really find that strange.
	And where are you from Chile?
	Oh right yeah okay, and the the closest thing that has that there has been about coverage of any of the things that have that has happened in the last few months is the Polytron hack, and it was all like, okay, Polytron was hacked filthy, she's solid, that's it.
	And that I And I started writing a kind of essay trying to get a point of view across for us Spanish-speaking people about Gamergate.
	And I'm still stuck.
	I tried writing it.
	I'm sorry, I'm spagging so hard.
	That's all right.
	Okay, let me grab myself together.
	I'm really sorry.
	Bottom line, there is no coverage here in Spanish-speaking gaming news sites, even if they are not or affiliated with anti-Gamergate or pro-Gamergate.
	And I just want to put that out there.
	What do you think about it?
	And that would be it.
	Thank you very much.
	I love your videos.
	And thanks for giving us all a voice for us to get out there and talk.
	Honestly, it's my pleasure.
	It's nice to hear from everyone.
	Have a nice day, guys.
	Take care, man.
	Who's next?
	One second.
	We have, I think it should be Gray, and then we've got Raven after that.
	So Gray was writing a script, apparently.
	I don't know.
	Did that guy get an answer to his question about was he asking what we thought about Spanish-speaking media in the news?
	I thought he was just explaining to us that it's not being covered over there.
	Okay.
	He had a bit of a bad connection.
	It wasn't even his accent.
	It was more the way it's a bit watery.
	But I think he was just trying to say that the Spanish media over there wasn't covering it, the Chilean media.
	He was actually saying there's no source of coverage for any language essentially other than English speaking.
	And he felt that that probably should be addressed to get the message spread a bit wider.
	I fully agree.
	I think that Spanish-speaking people should definitely be getting the message out in South America.
	And yeah, I wasn't quite writing a script.
	It's just I have trouble staying on topic and rambling, so I have to actually do points.
	And when I tried to log in here originally, it tried to use my main account, which I haven't set up for public use, so it's got my real name and stuff.
	I had to create a scrap account, so I lost my place or lost my stuff.
	Are you alright to talk now, then?
	Yes.
	Well, the first bit I wanted to do was thank you, Sargon, for actually sticking with us.
	I rather enjoy watching the videos because it's kind of hard to find people that put logic first and foremost when they reply to things or when they actually try to judge things.
	And I really appreciate that.
	But the main thing I wanted to say is just pointing out that I've noticed a lot of people sitting there essentially demonizing the social justice warriors and the feminists over this.
	And I think that's actually a really bad move for the simple reason that the strongest advantage that we have is the fact that quite a few of us actively try and understand who they are in their mindset.
	Whereas they fundamentally can't understand us.
	They haven't done their research.
	They don't know who they're fighting.
	They don't know what our values are.
	They don't know anything about us.
	And that's the single biggest advantage that we have.
	I mean, yeah, it's great being the consumer and everything, but that is quite literally the single biggest advantage that we have.
	Agreed.
	I really don't want people I don't want people to toss that away.
	Well, I just uh just a quick thing here.
	That's that that's um that's something I've noticed as well.
	Um honestly, right, I've spoken to so many of them now, and I've tried to deal with so many of them that the one consistent thing, the one consistent feature that every single one of them has displayed when I'm talking to them is that they are incapable of accurately representing my argument.
	Whenever I say something to them, they'll try and create a straw man out of what I'm saying so they can then spew bile and vitriol at me.
	I don't think they can understand us.
	I don't think that we have to worry about it.
	I don't think they're capable of it.
	They have never displayed it, not once.
	I must have spoken to hundreds of them by now.
	And they just not one of them can represent what our concerns are without misrepresenting it.
	So I understand the fear, but I'm not afraid of that, to be honest.
	No, I'm not saying that they'll come to understand us.
	I'm just saying from the standpoint of what advantages we have, if we want to get this stuff done as fast as we can and so on and so forth, then really we shouldn't be tossing away any advantage that we have.
	And one of the big things that bothers me is, yeah, they can't understand us.
	And I've tried to understand them.
	I've tried to understand feminism.
	I tried to convince myself to be a feminist at one point, or fairly recently, because of all this.
	So I started looking up the facts and figures and stuff, and I keep noticing I looked up publicly accessible facts and figures that they reference to because and I've also looked up their sources and none of it matches up.
	But that's still that's for me, but it's just the fact that I can't really process.
	I can put myself to an extent in their mindset, but I can't really process the fact that they don't understand us.
	Because it seems really stupid to go into a fight that you don't know who the hell you're fighting.
	I mean, they're sitting there talking about how we're misogynists and everything.
	It's like, do you really do you even understand the concept of the internet and the gaming community?
	We don't know each other.
	We don't know anything about each other.
	Saying we're anonymous is not the same thing as saying we assume they're white and male.
	We just don't know and don't care.
	Lo look at Leia Alexander's first piece on gamers don't have to be your audience, gamers are over.
	Everything about that just there was not one sentence in it.
	And I've read it several times now where she actually displays any kind of understanding of why gamers play games.
	She just doesn't get it.
	She doesn't understand why.
	And therefore she's looking at gaming culture thinking, well, this is really shallow and pointless because she's never really gaming.
	Even on her little lo-fi plays, she's doing them like I would be reading through an ancient Assyrian manuscript or something.
	I'm not getting the same thing out of it as the Assyrians are getting out of it.
	I'm judging it from a very divorced cultural perspective.
	And that's exactly what she's doing with gaming.
	And therefore, she can get a cursory understanding of it, but she doesn't really understand what's going on.
	Yeah, but the and one last thing before I go.
	Biggest problem I see with actually their mindset from my attempts to understand where they're coming from and whatnot.
	It may be incorrect, but that's just what I'm seeing, is the fact that they are incapable of talking to us about it.
	Because if you take it from this, let's take Alexander.
	If she comes to the conclusion that it's not misogynistic, it's not incorrect, then she has this entire history of attacking these groups on these basis.
	Where does that leave her?
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	I think that's why they're so intellectually dishonest.
	They literally can't do it, or else they'd have to admit they're horrible people for this shit.
	And it really bothers me.
	It really bothers me.
	I'm not a proponent of Scorched Earth.
	I'm actually pretty down.
	I usually am pretty mild in real life and whatnot.
	Very aggressive online, at least in video games, but normally I'm very mild and stuff.
	And Scorched Earth tactics really don't appeal to me, but I don't see another option here, and that really bothers me.
	There are some that are trying for some moderate approach, but it just keeps getting thwarted at many different angles, basically.
	A lot of times they'll sabotage any attempt to talk because let's say Macintosh, Lei Alexander, the people who are essentially the driving force behind this mess, they can't allow it because it goes completely against everything they believe in.
	Well, I think a more perfect example is, unfortunately, to touch the poop again, is Pixie Jenny, basically, is a fantastic example of just what we face.
	Just a complete.
	I'm lost words when anyone wants to sort of describe Pixie Jenney basically, apart from it's just so much simpler not to touch the poop.
	Yeah, just professional troll.
	Yeah, I'm not even sure she honestly believes it or not, and it's kind of a moot point because she never really addresses it either way.
	No, no, I don't think she does.
	I think she's just in it for the lulls, basically.
	Thank you for having me on.
	I'll clear the way for the next person up.
	Thanks for coming on.
	It's fine.
	Next person is Raven.
	Raven.
	Hello.
	Hello.
	I'm here.
	Since I kind of went off to go do some other stuff and came back, I didn't think to write a list, so I've just been writing that down now.
	Just for notice that other people have been talking about.
	Sorry, you're a bit quiet there, mate.
	Hang on a sec.
	Let me see what microphone this is using.
	Okay, it's using the right one.
	Is it a bit better now?
	Yeah, that's much better.
	Alright, okay.
	But yeah, I'm just going to.
	Say again.
	Sorry, sorry.
	Go ahead.
	Sorry.
	Alright, yeah, well, to be honest, I know everyone's been saying that I've been a big fan of you guys, but honestly, I've never heard about any of you guys until today.
	Just because on Twitter, I've noticed my Twitter seems to explode when I post a not your shield thing.
	And it's absolutely ridiculous.
	Fair enough.
	There are plenty of people in Game Game that I've never heard of.
	And someone will come up and ask me, well, what about so-and-so?
	And I'm like, I have no idea.
	Well, yeah, that's the thing.
	It's quite literally just about everyone.
	It's like all the people who are passionate about games.
	It's just regular people.
	It's not like big time figures or anything.
	It's just some random person who's just sick of being told they're a shithead because they enjoy video games.
	Yep.
	Pardon my friends, but yeah, what else have you noticed?
	Yeah, one thing I've noticed is like, I was watching the MSNBC video about the first one, well, not the first one, the second one had Brianna Woohon-based Hot Wheels.
	And what I noticed in that is like, for the most part, people would try to speak about something.
	Then when it was Brianna's turn, she would immediately go back to, oh, no, they're harassing me, they're harassing me.
	And I'm just like, no, we're not.
	Fuck off.
	Pardon my friend, just say if it's not okay for me.
	Yeah, she's terrible for it, isn't she?
	She's absolutely terrible for it.
	And I think the latest one about how she posted that scary email, I think that's just been like the final straw for her.
	She might lose quite a lot of people after that.
	Oh, I reckon she has half this to herself.
	I really do.
	Yeah.
	She's burning bridges with other journalists as well.
	I've seen a few.
	Because she keeps on making these grand sweeping statements and then not realizing that some of them are still on her friend list.
	She's got a problem with everyone.
	She's on a warpath.
	Like, if anyone gets in the way, they get immediately on the shit list.
	So she's going to burn out of friends eventually.
	Yeah.
	They'll throw her under the bus.
	Yeah, that's the thing.
	Honestly, I've seen quite a lot of people who were, as you'd say, social justice warriors.
	And they've just started watching it.
	Then begun to talk about it and actually read the other sources.
	And they're just like, wait a minute, this is an absolute pile of rubbish.
	Why have I been believing into this?
	Unfortunately, it's so rare to see one of those.
	Yeah, it's unfortunate, but we've got to keep being vigilant.
	That's all we can do.
	Was there anything else?
	Yeah, I remember how anti-gamer game people always ask for a list of demands.
	What I've honestly thought of is, well, we want ethical journalism.
	Here's an exact list of what ethics are.
	Read it and go evaluate yourself.
	This is simple.
	Stop digging your grave.
	It's just making themselves such a massive hole.
	And you're just wondering how you have no foresight whatsoever.
	They've got no sense of self-preservation.
	I know.
	But the thing is, what I do like is how I do like is how as more and more of them go on like mainstream media and that, like mainstream news and all that, you can often see that people are starting to see, wait a minute, these people are just a bit nuts.
	What's going on?
	Yeah, Matt Binder's a perfect example of that recently.
	You know, if he actually stopped and listened to some of the things that he's saying, it's they're quite bonkers.
	They are literally mad.
	Mad as biscuits.
	You know, and these, but you know, you can imagine a stadium full of them going, woo-woo, like that, and then one of them will just say something completely out, and then it will slowly start going, woo, you know, are we supposed to?
	Because they're going to churn themselves out of, you know, everything's going to come out at some point, you know, for each and every single one of them.
	And it's they, you know, a lot of them are making small little Freudian slips.
	And it will eventually, they'll put their own foot in their own mouth, basically, because their egos will dictate them to do that.
	So, yeah, I have had kind of an incident with someone who's ended up with her foot in their mouth, but to be honest, I think it was just a troll account.
	I remember having a back and forth.
	I think it was with the gaming anarchists or something like that.
	It was over, I can't remember, it was over someone saying something stupid.
	But then someone went and said, I don't believe you're trans.
	I think you're just a cis white man lying at these whole freaks.
	Yeah, I saw that.
	It was just an egg mate, just a, just a normal.
	I was like, you know what?
	Just give me a second.
	I'm going to go make you eat your words.
	And just show them the letter from my psychiatrist.
	I'm like, okay, this is concrete evidence.
	Get it up, you.
	They're like, no, that's faker than fake.
	That doesn't look anything like my doctor's approval note.
	And here I am thinking, yeah, it's not an approval note.
	It's just a letter from your psychiatrist just confirming that this is the case.
	That's all it is.
	It's just like when you're changing your identity and all that, like when you go to like, say, the bank, a post office, or like whatever you've got like a direct debit with, like, say, your phone bill or your opticians.
	Like, you go and you hand them the deed poll.
	Like, we'll see, hang on a sec, this is changing, like, Mr. to Miss or Mrs. So then they just, so it's a case of you just hand them the psychiatrist that I was like, all right, yeah, this is totally legit, that's fine.
	Okay, um, was there anything else just out of interest?
	I think, yeah, going back to how the mass media is like starting to get on board with this.
	I've noticed like the New York Times, how they seem to be kind of glossing over the whole ethics bit.
	It's like they'll go on about like they'll go on about how it's like a harassment campaign and all that.
	And they say, oh, yeah, they say they're about ethics.
	But at the same time, they don't think, well, let's go have a look into this.
	Let's see what's going on.
	See if it is about ethics.
	Have a look at the ethics of the people who are saying that they're being harassed.
	Well, The Guardian's not doing the same either.
	And I've got a giant bone to pick from The Guardian, you know, because a lot of this shit stems from them, to be honest.
	Their constant use of op-ed as news.
	You know, you don't even know who a real fucking journalist is.
	And most of these writers have all had a small little tenure there at some point, putting their shit forward as news.
	They are, they're just glorified bloggers, nothing more.
	That's the thing.
	Yeah.
	The worst part is that if you look at the links in Jessica Valenti's articles, they're all to her own fucking articles from the past.
	And it's like, Valenti, am I meant to trust your prior blog posts?
	Don't be ridiculous.
	Everything you say is bullshit.
	You can learn about this in school when you're like, say, like, when you have to site where you research something, you can't just go and say, yeah, I read it off my own book.
	I think a lot of people skip that fucking phase.
	You know, academic practices, basically.
	That's taught in the first year.
	I think most people were just like, nah, fuck it.
	And then I think half of them got fucking thrown out for plagiarism, and that's why they're writing shitty blogs for a living.
	It's a shame they've got.
	They did not care about plagiarism.
	Jeez.
	Well, it was with only one lecturer because he just said out loud himself, a course was an absolute load of rubbish.
	And I would agree, I went in to do software development, and there was only one programming class, half an hour a week, for the last half of the final semester.
	That was it.
	For software engineering.
	Software development, yeah.
	Well, half an hour a week is all you need, apparently.
	Yeah, but the whole, yeah, but it was another like three days of just bullshit classes.
	But the thing is, that's what made it not too bad.
	Because that guy was just like, yeah, this is a lot of rubbish.
	Here's the answer.
	You can just get your degree so you can go into uni and do the actual thing.
	But unfortunately, I kind of had like a breakdown.
	Well, I think we'll have to wrap it up that night, I'm afraid.
	Because there are other people waiting to have them on board.
	No problem.
	Take care, man.
	Go down in order.
	I think, yeah, major is next in order online.
	Major tight pants.
	Hello?
	Is that a rubber duck on your shoulder?
	Yeah, that is a rubber duck on my shoulder.
	It's a funny little reference to what happened in Silent Hill Homecoming, where I was playing it on stream one day and I was running around the hotel in Silent Hill and there was this blood on this wall saying, oh, I've left my rubber ducky in this room.
	So I go into the room and I'm running around for hours looking for this rubber ducky and someone in my chat says there's no rubber ducky and I'm like livid and I continue on the game and the next day I log on and I've got a rubber ducky and I'm like found it.
	So but yeah, that was interesting.
	Just would like to say, all of you guys love you guys so much.
	I'm female I think I've checked recently my boobs are intact, but I'd I really love all of you guys in Gamergate, absolutely adore you guys.
	You guys are doing I can't say God's work, can I?
	But you guys are doing good stuff and, gotta say, thoroughly enjoyed all of this stream.
	A lot of great talking points.
	It's pretty great.
	I'm not as educated on the subject as I would like to be.
	I mean I try to read up on it and I've like tried to like talk about it with my family.
	I mean my mother is interested on on the subject.
	I mean she sent me an article from News.com.au about Gamergate and it is like the most biased, utter bullcrap I've ever seen and she was like yeah, this is bullshit, tweeting that to me at some point.
	I'd like to read that.
	Yeah sure um, I could do that right now.
	Where are you um, at Sargon there, damn um.
	But it's very interesting to see, like all of this whole like, like the, the kind of thing that they're trying to pull.
	I mean, it's exactly like, if I'm allowed to like make allusions to literary literature, I mean, we've already made, we've already made like allusions, we've already made allusions to 1984, but this reminds me precisely about Babylon 5.
	Oh my god, it reminds me so much of Babylon 5, like the Ministry OF Peace, the Ministry OF Truth, Policing Language.
	I mean yeah, our enemy is Clark.
	Basically exactly, you get it, you get it, man.
	Yeah, I know, like it's just, it just boggles my mind because Speaking, like, if if I can quote Lars von Trier, I mean, even though he, like, his I'm a Nazi comment was absolutely hilarious.
	Um, when you remove a word from the language, you show your impotence in the face of a concrete problem.
	And I think, I would like to think at least, that sexism in gaming isn't there there is some elements, of course, but there are elements of sexism everywhere.
	I mean, you've just got to deal with that as it comes.
	And as a female gamer, I've been gaming since I was one.
	There's like a picture of me, like, sobbing hysterically after dying in doom, like, at the age of one.
	Like, I'm just like, doomed for it, one.
	Because I had gastro, and you know, the best way to combat gastro is obviously to kill loads of demons.
	But none of that's true.
	Thanks, Aries.
	I've been in games for like 20 years, give or take.
	So I've been in this space for a very long time and doing loads of multiplayer gaming.
	And yes, I will run right into like a whole bunch of people that are absolutely like it boggles my mind how utterly trash their behavior is.
	They are rude and I'm crude, so I don't, I can't really go, oh, you're just so disgusting, you're a piece of garbage, all your language is blith.
	But no, like, they're crude, yes, but I don't care about that.
	But like, a lot of the things that they've said and treated me and other females is like really I just got distracted by my family and I forgot my talk on point, but it is just I have a family that yelling in the background, but it's damn it family,
	but they are like I'll be sitting in a Twitch stream and one of my friends will get they'll get a 4chan raid and told to put a shoe on their head.
	And like, I don't think that's necessarily misogynistic, but it's only happened to female streamers.
	Maybe I just watch only female streamers and I'm a misandrist.
	I don't know.
	Whatever.
	But sometimes people will come into the chat and just be absolutely dogged.
	And I will never say that it is only like a huge group within the gaming community.
	That's my point.
	Yes, it's not a huge group within the gaming community.
	And to say that gamers are dead and gamers are as a whole, saying that they're misogynistic is absolutely bullshit.
	And as well as saying like the people of not your saying the people of Not Your Shield are sock puppets when they're quite obviously not is just absolute bullcrap.
	And I mean I've seen the articles where they've produced these statistics of what I'm gonna call it of how when the accounts were created and yeah there are loads of accounts created within the previous two months but the funniest thing is that people don't tend to use social media if they don't want to.
	You know just a funny little thing.
	But they get interested in social media or talking about what's going on in the social media if it affects them or interests them.
	And Gamergate has affected a lot of people and has interested a lot of people.
	So you're going to see a whole bunch of new accounts popping up and being like, hey, wait a minute, you know?
	So, like, them using that as a talking point, like, going, these people are just bots, is it's kind of retarded in my head.
	Like, it's just silly.
	Yeah, I think that's a really great point, actually, that lots of new people have probably come to Twitter because that's where the battleground, isn't it?
	You know, that's where the trenches are.
	So, you know, people have had to sign up.
	Like you say, probably wouldn't have been using Twitter because a lot of people don't want to.
	And yeah, exactly.
	They're brand new accounts.
	So they're like oh my god, sock sock puppets.
	I'm like, well, maybe it's not.
	Exactly.
	I mean, I've been called a sock puppet myself, and I've actually tweeted to Brianna and Wu and been like, hey, you want to tell me and my tits we're sock puppets?
	That would be interesting, having socks wrapped around my breasts, but I'm not that kinky.
	But I reckon that they're just really doing this for attention.
	I mean, as it was pointed out in a live stream or something, I think it was King of Polls, where it was pointed out that Brianna Wu has completely failed at everything ever.
	She's completely failed.
	And now she's gotten herself into this kind of industry and is trying to make a ruckus.
	We're not even about Brianna Wu.
	We're not even going like, hey, this woman, she should not be in our industry because she's a woman.
	No, we're like, no, you shouldn't really be here because your game sucks.
	I agree.
	She's not here on merit, is she?
	No.
	She's here on special feelings.
	Exactly.
	But interesting talking points that I've had, like conversations that I've had because of this, is like the definition of a game.
	So me and a friend of mine, we played Depression Quest played.
	And I posed the idea that a video game, that it couldn't be a video game.
	I posed that it's a graphic novel.
	And we got into this discussion about whether or not a text-based adventure, quote-unquote, I'm doing the finger, finger air quotes, game, if it's an actual game.
	And I've like one of my favorite games, games, is Kana Imyuoto, which has one of the biggest emotional roller coasters I've ever experienced outside of like Dragon Age Origins.
	And I don't even class that as a game.
	It's just text in front of pictures, showing characters, the scene, etc.
	And you get some choices and stuff.
	And then you just read through it and you get maybe one out of one through five endings.
	And I posed that that wasn't a game.
	And my friend posed that it is a game because of choice and like you can have inventories, etc., etc., etc., blah, blah, blah.
	And I'm just like, so what?
	Is Depression Quest really a game?
	Can we class Depression Quest as a game?
	Maybe.
	Is it a particularly good game?
	Maybe.
	I mean, one aspect that I did like of the game, game, I'll just go game in the future.
	But yes, it doesn't have any ducks.
	But it does simulate, like, it did get one thing right, one thing.
	And that was how choices, like, you could see choices, but you couldn't exactly go through with them.
	Like, that is a really good idea.
	I figured.
	I love that.
	Like, I was like, yeah, that's actually good.
	Well done.
	You did something right once.
	I did the Let's Play of it a while ago when all this sort of stuff started breaking just to see what it was like.
	And I actually did genuinely, I got a lot out of the fact that the right choice was there, but it was crossed out.
	Yeah, it never explained why it was crossed out.
	It never explained why you couldn't do any of these things.
	So I don't really have a deeper understanding than I did before.
	I just understand that it's fucking frustrating.
	Speaking from somebody who language is very hard.
	Speaking from a position where I've experienced depression, seen people with depression, it is a great way of showing the internal mechanics of somebody with depression.
	I mean, you can see, like, you can see the end goal.
	You want to be happy.
	Like, you're in rapids and you're a rock.
	You're a branch against a rock and you're struggling to cling to that rock.
	And you want to get to the shore and you know the way there, but you can't pick yourself up to do it, you know?
	That it is good.
	Like, you know, assign praise where it's due.
	Lost my talking point again.
	Should have put bullet notes.
	Wrap this up a bit.
	Sorry, but yeah, sorry.
	I'm wrecked.
	You seem to have lots to say.
	I do.
	And I am so sorry to.
	It was funny.
	It was funny because she said that she had nothing to say.
	And now in the original.
	Well, it's more like I have so much to say, but I also feel like that I have nothing to say and that whatever I say is absolutely pointless.
	But what I can say with absolute certainty is that you guys are amazing.
	Like, you guys are probably the most inclusive bunch that I've ever had the fortune to speak to and like hang around with.
	You guys have always been very logical, very welcoming.
	And whenever I've tweeted about Gamergate or Not Your Shield, I have always been very proud to be with you guys.
	Like, you know, I've always been proud to be amongst you.
	You guys are all awesome.
	It's our pleasure.
	It really is.
	Take care.
	Bye.
	Who's next?
	Well, we've got.
	I've still got a load of people that actually wanted to come on.
	So I just wanted to.
	Are you just wanting to?
	Yeah, it'll have to be next time, mate.
	I'm kind of tired, to be honest.
	That's fine, no problem.
	I just wanted to get clarity on.
	Are you there, Herifier?
	Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
	Whoa, can you hear me?
	I can.
	How's it going?
	Oh, I'm good.
	How are you guys?
	Good.
	Sorry, Dumbledore.
	So, I was just wondering, like, why is it that post-modern, like, why is it everybody's like, is it post-modern the new like social or like I don't know what it is, it's the new fad that being post-modern, quote-unquote?
	What is why does it have to be post?
	Yeah, it's it's um it's just the latest intellectual fad from these fucking hipsters.
	I don't think they actually are postmodern, though.
	That's the thing.
	Like, ironically, they don't even meet postmodern standards.
	They're just saying they're like me just saying, oh, I'm a ginger.
	I'm not a ginger.
	I mean, it's like, what?
	I just want to say it.
	I mean, I don't understand that.
	It's kind of stupid.
	Honestly, I don't even know anymore with that sort of bollocks.
	It's just.
	It's just got to the point where I'm just like, you know what?
	Whatever you guys are saying, I'm not interested.
	Okay, yeah.
	If you ever enjoy Dorita was a hack, fuck Dorita.
	Like, these people, and they're like, they think, well, it's funny, because I mean, I'm in college and I take these philosophy courses and stuff.
	And these people think they fucking know what they're talking about when they pull out fucking Jocks Dorita and shit.
	And they're like, oh.
	But they're pretty stupid.
	Like, they don't understand.
	It's just a lack of understanding.
	You just want to pull out something like smart or to make you sound smart or something.
	Well, yeah, I've actually, that's something I've noticed, actually.
	It seems to attract people who aren't really that bright.
	Because I think it's about the narrative.
	I really think it's about the concept of narrative because they seem to construct this sort of narrative in their heads and in their little groups.
	And they're very good at creating narratives.
	And they reinforce each other's narratives very strongly.
	Very, very strongly.
	But as soon as something comes up that contradicts the narrative and forces them as a group to change, suddenly they start flailing around wildly.
	I mean, like some of the ridiculous shit they were posting on Twitter a couple of days ago, it's just like, wow.
	I would never have predicted anyone would put these words into Twitter and then press send.
	You know, I would have thought they would think, shit, that's going to make me sound like a complete bell end.
	But they don't.
	So I can only assume they're idiots.
	Yeah, I mean, like, at the point where you're just going to spout off random shit, like, toxic masculinity and shit.
	I don't know what that is.
	I mean, I'm not a gender studies major because, well, I mean, being a philosophy major, I don't want a job either.
	the point is that I'm not gonna like fucking run around and do this stupid shit, say this stupid shit and pretend like I mean at the point like at the point where you're Like, being intellectually honest, this is really the reason why I'm in Gamergate.
	It's like, people need to be intellectually honest and ask questions.
	Like, that's what I just want.
	People just ask questions.
	I mean, like, I'll ask questions.
	I'll watch your video and I'll ask questions about it.
	Like, is that true?
	I mean, is it true?
	What kind of assumptions are we going off and stuff?
	I just want to ask questions and just not, I mean, not like necessarily, I mean, like, come to a conclusion, but just want to just be intellectual, like some sort of honesty intellectually, as opposed to just, like, getting spoon-fed some narrative and just accepting it.
	I mean, that's.
	Yeah, you would think so, but that doesn't happen anymore.
	Those halcyon days are gone.
	You know, when there were intelligent people in universities and actually thought about things.
	That's long and gone.
	Yeah, I mean, the other thing is, I come from Utah, where Anita Sarkeesian was supposed to speak.
	God rest her.
	Like, my Lord and Savior, Anita Sarkeesian.
	I mean, like, praise be to her.
	I can believe her.
	Our martyred saint, of feminist McIntyre.
	She's the vicar of feminism.
	Like, she's the Pope.
	Like, I'm from Utah, and like, I mean, I'll admit that the gun laws and stuff are pretty fucking stupid.
	Like, you can carry a gun onto the university campus, open carry and shit.
	But, I mean, at the point where, like, I'm not sure if you're aware of, like, Jesse Jackson and, like, other people, like, Jesse Jackson, like, civil rights people, they come to Utah all the time and they say speeches.
	I'm pretty damn sure that they get death threats.
	Because, I mean, Jesse Jackson is not exactly like the most well-loved guy out there.
	I mean, probably, there's probably white supremacists in Utah who send him death threats and shit.
	Like, he doesn't have the gall or like to post to talk about that.
	Like, he doesn't need to do that.
	Here's a probably legitimate threats that the police and FBI are like, yeah, don't publicize this.
	Yeah.
	I mean, they're probably actual things that actually happened.
	Yeah, like, I mean, these people, like, some of these people actually, like, Jesse Jackson, I mean, was in the civil rights movement.
	This isn't like fucking sit on my computer and tweet shit.
	This is like, like, people were getting.
	I mean, like, if you look at history, people were dying because of like civil rights and other bullshit.
	This isn't fucking.
	Oh, yeah.
	If half these people had to actually, you know, properly go out there and fight for equality in countries where it fucking made a fucking difference.
	You know.
	You know, I've seriously got a fucking plane ticket ready.
	I've got fuck all money, but I would buy Macintosh a fucking ticket to the Middle East.
	I would fit.
	Yeah, well, just my last point on this is like, I mean, they would never do that because, like, from a philosophical standpoint, they have this idea of them as the oppressed.
	Like, they are this, I mean, it's like a negative will to power or whatever, like, in some bullshit, philosophical term.
	Like, they have this idea that they are oppressed.
	And they don't want solvent.
	They're just going to criticize because they don't want actual solvency for the issue.
	Because if there's solvency, they have nothing else to do.
	They have to find, there always has to be a victim or something that they inherently, there's like a self-fulfilling prophecy where they just have to continue on and on having victims.
	Like, white men are evil.
	Like, they find a scapegoat for everything.
	I mean, it's the same with the Holocaust Jews.
	Like, you can name any group of people and make them your oppressors or something in order to continue to feed your delusions.
	So, I mean, it's extremely stupid.
	They're not like.
	Yeah.
	Also, they're all a bunch of giant pussies.
	If you look at them, they're rake-thin vegans, or they're a bit porky, like Macintosh.
	So, it's not like if any of them actually had to fight for something, they'd win anyway.
	So, you know.
	I mean, I'm not going to judge their caring.
	I mean, like, fuck fuck them.
	They can say whatever the fuck they want, because fuck them.
	I mean, I've said some pretty dickish things, but I'm not going to.
	No, fuck them.
	Don't worry about it.
	Thanks for doing it for me.
	Yeah, just do it for me.
	That's all.
	Thank you very much.
	Thanks for coming on, man.
	And check your privilege.
	Check your fucking privilege shit, Lord.
	Privilege fucking motive.
	Privilege ready to go.
	Listen and believe.
	Listen and believe.
	See you later, man.
	It's Arty.
	Are you there, Arty?
	Yeah, there.
	Hello.
	Mike on the drill.
	Hi, sir.
	Yep.
	How's it going?
	You can't agree?
	Yeah, yeah.
	It's funny how they're colluding to give these games like Gone Home and Depression Crest Good Reviews.
	Have any of you played Beyond Two Souls?
	I haven't actually.
	How is it?
	Good.
	It is like not even the gameplay, just the story.
	It is probably the most racist, sexist thing I've ever.
	All of Dave P. Cage's games are fucking terrible, but they get stellar reviews for doing the whole not really a game thing.
	Like, in Indigo Prophecy, the black character, his background music is a fucking funk line.
	What's wrong with that?
	I'm not sitting.
	Not only that, he fucking hustles basketball for money.
	Dear God.
	Is that racist?
	I don't know if that's racist.
	I mean, it's got a racist.
	Don't black people play basketball and listen to funk.
	I mean, I'm not, I don't know.
	I don't, I don't.
	I'm not white guy who doesn't even have a black friend.
	So, you know.
	I would have said a picture to Nature's Shield, but I am the world's fucking whitest Mexican.
	I would have been called a sock puppet in a fucking heartbeat.
	I'm pretty sure you're a sock puppet now.
	Yeah.
	But the other thing that amazes me is that, like, I don't think they realize that they've created the ultimate smoke shield for trolls by accusing Gamergate so fucking blindly.
	Like, they've just given trolls a free patch.
	Like, not only do trolls already have zero accountability, but like now that they have an actual person that will take the fall, it's this fucking open season.
	Yeah, they've really encouraged more, haven't they?
	By showing that trolling is so powerful against them.
	It gets their shit up, and you know, suddenly they're on TV panicking.
	Oh my god, I was trolled.
	You know, it's like that's just rule number one: don't feed the trolls.
	Don't tell assholes you're afraid of something.
	I don't understand why they do it.
	I don't think both of them have discovered the internet up until about three months ago.
	I tell people I'm afraid of spiders.
	My inbox is just going to be filled with that fucking Goliath man-eater found in the fucking rainforest.
	Right.
	Well, do you want to post your email just in the chat?
	Replete it to me.
	I'll replete it.
	You know, we've got about 9,000 people ramming you spiders.
	But, like, I've got a comic, Carson.
	It's like, I listen to, like, a lot of the, like, social justice blogs and, like, their complaint...
	Like, have you heard of the Hawkeye movement?
	No.
	It's basically they take those really bad drawings of women in sexy poses and they redraw it with Hawkeye to show how ridiculous it is.
	Hawkeye for MASH is that?
	From Avengers.
	Well, now I'm disappointed.
	I was actually more excited about it being Hawkeye for Mash.
	Now you're showing your age.
	I don't think people realize, like, you ever heard the phrase, like, don't attribute to malice what can just as easily be attributed to stupidity?
	Yeah, yeah.
	I mean, like, you spend like umpteen hours at your desk, just like with your face, like an inch away from the table.
	Like, sometimes shit like that just goes through.
	And I even, like, the reason why you see like that generic balloon bot pose on so many superheroes is just it's easy.
	I even did like a presentation on this in my class.
	I drew like a dozen sketches in about a minute just to show how fucking easy it was.
	And what happened?
	Oh, they were fucking amazing.
	I drew a dozen sketches in a minute.
	Fair enough.
	I take it your picture here is something you've drawn then.
	Oh, no, that's actually different artists.
	I was too lazy to do something.
	Oh, because I was going to say that's fucking brilliant, mate.
	That's a really, really good picture of Patmo.
	But, you know, Echo didn't do that.
	Yeah, I'm not afraid of getting any dox.
	I want to see an SGW come to my fucking neighborhood.
	That would be fucking hilarious.
	They're never going to come to anyone's houses.
	They probably get exhausted walking to the end of the road.
	Imagine the middle of the exercise these people get.
	Just all that vegan food, too much tofu.
	They're probably all anemic.
	Seriously, I don't see why anyone's worried about doxing anyone.
	All they're going to do is send you cutlery through the mail, which is free.
	Sorry, I'm stalking shit now.
	You just want some fucking free cutlery, don't you?
	I actually.
	No, honestly, I am actually running low on forks and spoons.
	And I broke the legs.
	I don't care.
	Like, no, I really did.
	Like, do you usually say like you ought, mate, in like casual conversation, or it's like the sticker?
	No, it's just it's parodied now.
	It's beyond you.
	Yeah.
	The sort of people who say that are called chavs.
	And you probably know them as trailer trash.
	And in England, they say things like, you fucking what, mate?
	Yeah, I had Rupert Blunt in a lot of his more colorful lexicon slipped his way to mine.
	I call people cunts casually.
	Yeah, do you call them twats or twats, though?
	Oh, I say twat all the time.
	Wait, you actually say twat.
	Jesus, you're the first person from across the pond I've ever heard say twat correctly.
	I've been teaching American gamergaters twat.
	It's just easy.
	Yeah.
	It's just such a wonderful language.
	Pillock, bell end, just wonderful.
	You see, this is all English playground language.
	Yeah.
	Was there anything else you wanted to say, mate?
	Trying to sing.
	No, that's everything.
	It's cool.
	My load on that whole day to cage field.
	Cool.
	Well, thanks for coming on, man.
	Really appreciate it.
	Thanks for having me.
	Take care.
	Big fan of yourself.
	Bye.
	Landon.
	Last person.
	How are you there?
	Yeah.
	Oh, hello.
	Can you hear me?
	Hello.
	Sorry about the weight.
	Oh, no, that's fine.
	I was just wanting to talk about some of the perception, I guess, from the SJWs.
	They seem to say a lot of times that, oh, we're just a bunch of conservatives.
	I see that a lot.
	And I would like to talk about that because me being from Alabama, a state in America that's known for its super conservatism, super religion, you know, wearing the Bible Belt.
	I would like to say that although I'm not a super conservative like a lot of people in this state, I do probably have more conservative ideals than the average gamergator.
	But I would just like to bring up the fact that conservatism and liberalism in this issue doesn't really matter.
	I'm pretty sure everybody can agree on that.
	Journalism ethics is important, whether you're a liberal or conservative.
	Unless you're like a Fox News or MSNBC supporter, then you've fucking you've been in that corrupt journalism train for a long time.
	Yeah, I think everyone can agree that it's really not a partisan issue.
	It's the social justice warriors who are trying to call everyone on this side right-wing, which is ridiculous.
	Yeah, I mean, I don't like to consider myself right-wing.
	I mean, like I said, I'm probably a little bit more right-wing than some other people, but I'm not that right-wing.
	I like to consider myself a libertarian, like I guess a lot of people do.
	But another thing I'd like to point to talk about is a lot of times, like, I know a social justice warrior in real life.
	I go to high school with one.
	And, yeah, she's quite hilarious.
	Basically, she is one of these social justice warriors who actually one of the few women who actually do do STEM things.
	She's in the robotics club with me and stuff.
	And she is all the time complaining, oh, why aren't women here?
	Why aren't there more girls in this club?
	And I was like, And then a lot of people, we always do stuff to try to get women in because there are no women in STEM positions and technology stuff like that.
	But then she continues to call our group misogynist and anti-women because we don't have a lot of women.
	And I just say that's fucking retarded.
	We do our best to get girls and boys to join.
	And that's what they all try to do.
	They don't, they like that's been pointed out a lot.
	It's not that they want freedom of equality.
	They want equity.
	Which that's just something you can't fucking have if people are not willing to make the choice.
	And she also has gotten on this whole Gamergate thing, and I argue with her a lot.
	So, you know, whatever.
	And, man, that was just a point I was liking to make about the conservatism and how it doesn't really matter if you're conservative or liberal.
	Gaming ethics is something that we can all agree on.
	Not just gaming ethics, but journalism ethics in general is something that we should all have.
	Oh, I guess Sargon timed out.
	Yeah, sorry.
	I thought it was me that was timing out for a second then because I've timed out as well a few times in this as well.
	Yeah.
	I'm sure he will be back shortly.
	Yeah, you can make fun of his internet connection just while he's here.
	My internet connection is just as shitty, man.
	Oh, he's back.
	Yeah, I'm back.
	So what did I miss?
	I was just talking about the social justice warrior who go to high school with she's always pissed off and calling us all misogynists because there's not a lot of people because we don't have a lot of women in the STEM clubs at school.
	And it's just like, fuck, man.
	We try our best to get them in.
	We try our best to get everybody in, but they just won't join.
	I mean, it's not our fucking fault.
	And I talk to her almost every day at school, and she calls us misogynists.
	And I don't know, she's just a fucking retarded social justice warrior, like I'm all.
	I don't think you understand how the feminist Gestapo is going to work.
	They're literally going to have to round up women and force them into the STEM fields.
	It's going to suck for women when the feminists gain power, I tell you.
	It's not my problem, though.
	I won't be forced to do things I don't want to do.
	So, yeah.
	Yeah, I guess that's something we're going to have to worry about in the future.
	I'm probably going to be killed off by the feminist Gestapo.
	Yep.
	I'll see you in the death camps.
	Yeah.
	Let's hope we get one together so we can at least hang out in our final moments.
	Yeah, that'd be cool, man.
	Where the feminist Gestapo kills us all.
	Honestly, they're the sort of people who are probably going to end up marching people into death camps one day.
	I really think so.
	They'll only keep about a thousand or so of us for breeding.
	And, you know, and they'll kill every male that's born unless they need another one.
	Do you know what that means, though?
	That means that Jonathan McIntosh and Alex Lifshitz are going to be the future of the human race.
	Oh, yeah.
	I don't want to live.
	Can you imagine?
	Can you.
	Anyway, that's depressing.
	Thanks, man.
	All the entire human race are going to be Macintoshes.
	Yeah.
	Yeah, that's what they want.
	What have we done?
	They'll be arguing that any sort of structure is too phallic or something.
	Imagine how many meetings they'll have, though.
	They'll have meeting after meeting after meeting.
	That'd be wonderful.
	I'd like to fit you in, but I haven't had meetings for the next 34 years.
	Back to back.
	But just hang around my vagina-shaped office.
	I'm sure you can shirp in.
	Because there's no phallic objects here.
	Yeah, that's basically what it's going to end up like.
	The men in chains dragon on.
	I would like to know, because I have a few theories myself.
	Where do you think this all stems from?
	This whole crazy feminist Gestapo.
	Where do you think it stems from?
	Academia.
	Radical feminists in academia.
	I believe it's all not only is it radical feminism.
	I believe Marxism has its little hand in there considering how they want everything to go.
	Like, okay, the death.
	They are openly Marxist.
	They are openly Marxist.
	I'm not kidding.
	I've seen various papers, stuff like neo-Marxist, feminist perspectives on family therapy and shit like that.
	And you're just thinking, Christ, of all the people I don't want to be doing family therapy, it's radical feminist neo-Marxist.
	I mean, I was actually brushing up on Marx's position on the family today.
	And he thinks that it'll degenerate like everything else when capitalism is killed.
	Because, you know, the family was such a terrible idea.
	It's only lasted for hundreds of thousands of years.
	Why do we need that?
	You know, it's bollocks.
	It's not like family kept communities together forever or anything like that.
	Yeah, exactly.
	Family destroyed everything.
	Family and free market destroyed everything, you see.
	Exactly.
	Exactly.
	It didn't raise the Western world to what we've got now.
	We all need to become a global North Korea.
	We all just need to have no choice, no freedoms whatsoever.
	I think the world would just be a better place because the Soviet Union does not show what communism does whatsoever.
	Yeah, exactly.
	You know, the Soviet Union was just, you know, it's just a bad start.
	You know, if we just kickstart it in the West, then we'll just end up like them.
	It will be somehow much better.
	That's quite funny, having a Kickstarter for communism.
	Let's do that.
	Yes.
	So it should set up a Kickstarter page.
	Western communism.
	I don't think you should give them ideas.
	Okay.
	That's actually dangerous.
	They might be like, shit, that's actually, you know.
	That's a great idea, guys.
	Come on, let's start this.
	Yes, Anita Sarkishin will be our Joseph Stalin.
	No, she's kept in she's kept in a box, you know, with all the puppets.
	It's Mackins.
	Macintosh of the Joseph Stalin, yes.
	He'll be doing leader.
	One second.
	Yeah.
	Okay.
	Right, well, thanks a lot for coming on, man.
	It's been fun.
	Well, as someone from America, I would like to say that you are a twat.
	And you need to check your privilege, you shit, Lord.
	I salute you.
	All right, have you done that?
	Bye.
	Hi.
	All right, we are done.
	Well, Herman, what are you still doing here?
	He's oh, God.
	Oh, dear, Herman.
	You've been caught with your hands.
	I didn't even realize that I was still on the fucking stream.
	Anyhow, wait.
	What was the word?
	Twat?
	Yeah.
	Can I say that correctly?
	Twat.
	Yeah, you sounded great.
	Twat.
	There we go.
	You've got to get the email.
	So twat.
	You've got to enunciate it.
	It pulls your face quite wide apart when you're saying it.
	You've got to really articulate.
	There are a lot of facial movements when you're saying it properly.
	And I think that's what gives the word its power, because when you say it to someone in the flesh, you can see how animated they are when they're saying it.
	Really, you know, someone calls you a twat.
	You are a twat.
	You know what I mean?
	We've got a new segment then for you, Sargon.
	Swearing with Sargon.
	See that.
	Seriously.
	Teaching foreigners how to swear like an Englishman.
	Yeah.
	Sargon is now teaching me to say twat.
	Okay.
	Now, well, very nice stream.
	Sorry for.
	Yeah, whatever.
	Very nice.
	Bye.
	It's fine, mate.
	Honestly, it's fine.
	He's gone.
	Thanks for coming on, man.
	It's been fun.
	Will this happen again?
	Of course.
	But again.
	It's just a chat asking.
	Yeah, well, if you're up for doing it again, mate, I'm happy to do it.
	Yeah, we've still got loads.
	Loads that seem to just miss it right at the end.
	Yeah, I haven't got bad foot about that, but you know, if we don't put a stopping point on, it'll just go forever, won't it?
	Yeah, we did nearly five hours last time, and that was kill.
	Yeah, that was at like five in the morning as well.
	At least it's only midnight now.
	Yeah.
	But yeah, no, I've had a great time.
	What about you?
	Yeah, it's been fun.
	We've had a wide selection of voices, and a lot of them seem to not be following each other and things like that.
	So just while we have 1172 viewers, start fucking following each other.
	Jesus.
	You know, it just refutes instantly the claims that we're all fucking sock puppets.
	You know, share ideas, fucking keep going as a movement, because otherwise you're just gonna, you know one person, you know, tweeting to themselves isn't gonna fucking make a difference, is it?
	So yeah, if someone's tweeting on Game Agate, try and follow them, especially if they don't seem to have many followers, because you know, I can I can that that girl at the beginning where she was like, you know, I've got twenty followers and I'm tweeting, but it's it's she feels quite isolated.
	I can completely understand why that would be quite disheartening.
	So, yeah, let's show some support, guys.
	Yeah, she's doing all the emails.
	You know, she's doing, you know, I bet there's a load of people in the chat.
	I mean, I'm just generalizing here, but I bet half of them, you know, haven't even sent a single email.
	So, you know, this is a person that's actually doing, you know, some of the groundwork here.
	So just, you know, support each other.
	Give each other, you know, just a bit of a heads up and things like that.
	So, yeah.
	Yeah, remember that we're in this for the fucking win.
	So, you know, do what it takes, you know.
	But yeah, so thanks a lot for helping me out with this, man.
	I really appreciate it.
	It would suck if you weren't here, to be honest.
	Not just because it would be too much, but because it's nice to have someone else who's a permanent fixture while I'm doing it, you know.
	Cheers, mate.
	Thanks for letting me help.
	I couldn't do it without you.
	So thanks a lot, man.
	Cheers, buddy.
	And thanks to everyone for listening, and we'll see you next time.

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