Bannon's War Room - Episode 5366: Lead Up To President Trump's High Stakes Trip To China
Aired: 2026-05-12
Duration: 48:53


=== Google AI Cyber Attack Risks (14:52) ===

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[00:00:28]  I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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[00:00:38]  If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
[00:00:44]  War Room.
[00:00:45]  Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
[00:00:50]  Tuesday, 12 May, Year of Our Lord 2026.
[00:00:53]  I'm going to start with, we're going to get to China in a moment, trying to get wrangling Captain Fennell, Sam Faddis, and Jack Posobic to join us here momentarily.
[00:01:05]  We'll start with Joe Allen.
[00:01:06]  Joe, As I tell people, with all these fights going on, of course, in Beijing, they are going to discuss artificial intelligence.
[00:01:15]  They've already said that.
[00:01:17]  But we got to get back to what's happening here and the needed, necessary, and kind of de minimis regulatory apparatus that we need to make sure that we're on top of exactly what's coming to these labs.
[00:01:35]  Because now, talk about Google.
[00:01:38]  Folks, I cannot emphasize enough the danger of what we are dealing with.
[00:01:46]  Talk to me about this, Google.
[00:01:47]  Now you had another AI cyber attack.
[00:01:51]  And Joe, correct me if I'm wrong.
[00:01:53]  The smartest people in the world on this topic technically can't control it.
[00:02:02]  I mean, Google's one of the what we call the frontier labs.
[00:02:05]  I realize Max Tegmark, he goes, Steve, you're giving them too much.
[00:02:09]  You know, with the white coats and, you know, they're all Oppenheimer.
[00:02:13]  These are just rapacious companies.
[00:02:15]  Google has had an experience here quite recently, the second time we know of, and now we know, Joe, and you can say it behind the scenes, this has happened a lot more than just the two ones that are out there, both the mythos and this, but you've had an AI combination of another cyber attack.
[00:02:35]  Joe, the floor is yours.
[00:02:36]  I do want to emphasize this is why Scott Besant, the Safe Pair, Scott Safe Pair of Hands Besant, Is involved in AI because of the concern of the money center banks.
[00:02:48]  And when I say money center banks, I mean Citicorp, JP Morgan, the biggest banks in the world, not just the investment banks at Goldman Sachs.
[00:02:55]  I mean the big money center banks, banks that are just below central banks and in their importance in a capitalist economy, all important, telling the Secretary of Treasury, you know, I think they could take down my entire bank in like a minute.
[00:03:12]  In perpetuity, there'd be nothing left like getting hit with a nuclear weapon, except there, all the records would be gone.
[00:03:19]  This AI cyber attack with Google, talk to me about it.
[00:03:23]  And what is so, the implication is so big.
[00:03:26]  Everything we've been talking about on this new commerce department control mechanism, which you and I don't love, but at least it's the start of something rudimentary, is now taken.
[00:03:37]  Now the website's gone because the intelligence services are finally waking up or at least coming forward and say, hey guys, There's a problem here that has to be dealt with.
[00:03:47]  Joe Allen, the floor is yours.
[00:03:51]  Yes, Steve, thank you very much for having me.
[00:03:53]  And this is really highlighting the dual use nature of artificial intelligence.
[00:03:59]  Monday, yesterday, Google's threat intelligence group announced that they had identified a cyber attack that they believed was generated by some artificial intelligence system.
[00:04:14]  They didn't provide a lot of information for whatever reason, but I think it's curious and almost humorous that one of the ways they identified the origin in an AI system was because the code, the malicious code that was written to hack into.
[00:04:31]  A web based application was littered with all of this explanatory text, so that you could imagine someone asks the AI to write a code to exploit a vulnerability, and it comes with these explainers as to what the code was for.
[00:04:48]  No hacker would do that.
[00:04:49]  So, this is something that Google has come forward with for whatever reason, but it shows that this dual use, that the potential for someone to use these systems for something besides.
[00:05:04]  Generating code or generating images or generating really bad prose is a reality.
[00:05:10]  Now, as we reported last year, many people were discussing Anthropic in November of last year also announced that they'd identified malicious use of Claude to try to hack in some 30 different systems.
[00:05:27]  And they identified the origin with China.
[00:05:31]  They accused China, they said it was a state sponsored group.
[00:05:36]  And so, again, There, you had at least allegedly Chinese hackers using Anthropics Claude to generate malicious code to hack into these different systems.
[00:05:50]  The reason that Scott Besant is so alarmed by this situation is that so much of America's infrastructure and the world's infrastructure runs on digital software, digital infrastructure, and so if you have.
[00:06:09]  A potential weapon that is just being deployed recklessly with no oversight whatsoever, except for the companies themselves regulating themselves, then it's really the equivalent of handing out Oxycontin to just anyone.
[00:06:28]  We've seen what happens when you do that.
[00:06:30]  Or, for instance, to hand out automatic weapons to people who have no business.
[00:06:38]  I want to make sure the audience comprehends this.
[00:06:41]  This was an, yes, you had the Chinese, you've had state actors doing this and perpetuating this.
[00:06:47]  Just to be clear, the reason there's such concern by the intelligence of others, this was generated by artificial intelligence.
[00:06:55]  I'm not saying they also use it, but artificial intelligence of its own will generated a cyber attack away from its masters at Google and other places, right?
[00:07:06]  It's an AI generator cyber attack.
[00:07:10]  This one most likely is not the AI.
[00:07:14]  Was just of its own accord generated this code.
[00:07:19]  But what you have is a situation where an amateur, someone who doesn't really know how to write malicious code to hack into a system, can use something like Claude or Mythos, if it were released, or GPT or GPT Cyber, which has also not been released by OpenAI.
[00:07:38]  They could use this to very easily create exploits or to find vulnerabilities in these systems.
[00:07:46]  So, in this case, Steve, it's just a matter of empowering people, as they're always saying, but empowering people to do damage to digital infrastructure.
[00:07:57]  It could be a hospital.
[00:07:58]  It could be a water plant.
[00:07:59]  It could be a bank.
[00:08:01]  And this is why people are so up in arms and asking for some regulation on this, some sort of testing system that is outside of the companies themselves.
[00:08:12]  It goes back to the fight that you were just discussing between, or we'll say a debate, a polite debate between the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Commerce Department as to who will really be in control of the testing.
[00:08:28]  Apparatus and the regulatory apparatus.
[00:08:30]  Why did they pull down these systems?
[00:08:32]  When you say, I realize it's gentlemanly, but why did they pull it down off of the.
[00:08:38]  Because you've been pointing people to the commerce site to read what's up there about this system that you and I are not thrilled with, but at least it's some modicum of a start.
[00:08:48]  Why is it now pulled down off the site, sir?
[00:08:52]  You know, it would seem, as it was reported in the Washington Post, it would seem that it's just because of this debate.
[00:08:59]  You know, when the public.
[00:09:01]  Was discovered.
[00:09:01]  It wasn't really announced through any kind of press release.
[00:09:05]  It was simply discovered, probably pointed to by someone within the Center for AI Safety, I'm sorry, Standards and Innovation, that they had developed this partnership with Google, Microsoft, and XAI so that you would have voluntary submission of unreleased AI models to the Center for AI Standards and Innovation, which is within the Commerce Department.
[00:09:32]  And when that went public, I think it just was a bad look for the people who were engaged in this argument within the administration as to who will be the point men for the regulation, the testing of the capabilities of these systems.
[00:09:49]  And you also have, Steve, as we pointed out, it's been suggested by a number of different people, and it's actually within Marsha Blackburn's Trump America AI Act that the Department of Energy could play a big role in this because of their well built out.
[00:10:06]  Infrastructure and expertise in surveilling, regulating, doing safety testing for nuclear materials, nuclear weapons.
[00:10:16]  So, yeah, it's what you have on a very basic level you have a technology that is shown time and time again, both by Google and Anthropic, and behind the scenes, cyber companies across the world know that AI is being used for dangerous or malevolent purposes, and it's just simply deployed.
[00:10:39]  Out in the public willy nilly.
[00:10:41]  And you do have some safeguards that are put on these systems by companies like OpenAI or Anthropic, but then you have these Chinese models, the open source models like DeepSeq, like Quinn, that you really don't have any control over that.
[00:10:59]  It's just simply out there.
[00:11:01]  And so people are scrambling for some kind of response because, as you pointed out, as Max Tegmark has pointed out, as many people have pointed out, you can't sell a sandwich.
[00:11:11]  Without having someone say, okay, the safety standards, the sanitation of the restaurant is within some degree of acceptability.
[00:11:22]  Same thing with a weapon.
[00:11:24]  You can't sell a gun that's going to blow up in people's face.
[00:11:27]  You can't sell a car that's going to go veering off the road.
[00:11:31]  And in pretty much every industry, you have some government apparatus that is there to ensure, to inspect, to make sure that the product is safe.
[00:11:42]  And also, if it turns out that The product's unsafe, say that it allows a random person to create malicious code, then you have an accountability process.
[00:11:52]  The problem with the system they've got up here now in the commerce is that it's voluntary and they don't need approval.
[00:11:57]  This is why what Hassan said the other day about some FDA type thing.
[00:12:01]  Do you have any idea of the timing?
[00:12:03]  Because I know you spend a ton of time on this behind the scenes.
[00:12:06]  Any idea on the timing, or are we going to get this mythological executive order from the administration?
[00:12:14]  Do you think that President Trump's White House is actually going to put an EO out or wait to after the China visit?
[00:12:19]  You know, I've been asking everyone, and everyone was saying maybe there's some chance that it would come out yesterday.
[00:12:26]  And if not, then most likely after President Trump's return from China.
[00:12:30]  So I'm guessing that's when it's going to happen.
[00:12:33]  And that should give some clarity as to where this argument stands.
[00:12:37]  Will it be the Office of the Director of National Intelligence?
[00:12:40]  Will it be the Commerce Department?
[00:12:43]  Or will it be something like the Department of Energy or some combination of these?
[00:12:48]  Department of Homeland Security also has a real interest and a role in this, given the possibility of bioweapons and terrorist attacks.
[00:12:56]  But it can't be voluntary.
[00:12:58]  It can't be voluntary and it has to have some approval process.
[00:13:01]  Bottom line, if it's voluntary, forget it.
[00:13:05]  Joe, we'll have you back on tomorrow to talk about the China summit in regard to artificial intelligence.
[00:13:10]  Until then, sir, where do people get all your content, which is quite amazing?
[00:13:17]  You can find me on X at J O E B O T X Y Z, also joebot.xyz, and also go to War Room's Rumble page.
[00:13:26]  I have an interview with David Kruger.
[00:13:29]  Who coined and elaborated on the concept of gradual disempowerment?
[00:13:36]  I think we put that up last night.
[00:13:37]  We played that in the six o'clock hour also.
[00:13:40]  Tremendous response on that, Joe.
[00:13:42]  So definitely let's go to Rumble and see Joe's incredible interview.
[00:13:46]  We played in the six o'clock hours.
[00:13:48]  Incredible.
[00:13:49]  Joe, the reason Joe's not on the road is Joe is actually thinking and writing.
[00:13:54]  And that's why he needs just a quiet place to think and write.
[00:13:57]  Joe Allen, thank you, brother.
[00:14:00]  Appreciate you.
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=== China CCP Energy Pressure Tactics (15:21) ===

[00:14:54]  Short break China and the CCP next.
[00:14:59]  Addict sources that I've been in touch with in the lead up to today, along with senior administration officials, are holding their breath until Trump takes off this afternoon at around 4 p.m.
[00:15:09]  That he does not, in between now and then, resume kinetic activity or any sort of military operations in Iran.
[00:15:16]  That is the fear that people have had, which gets to the top of David's point that the president is still erratic when it comes to his decision making around Iran.
[00:15:27]  Although yesterday in the Oval Office, he did sort of speak a bit more candidly about the flexibility that is required now in order to move forward.
[00:15:36]  And you are right, John, at the center of these conversations with China is the Iran factor.
[00:15:42]  Yes, there are.
[00:15:44]  trade issues amongst other factors that are going to be at the part of discussions here.
[00:15:51]  But what the president really needs right now is a win with regards to Iran.
[00:15:56]  And there is a bunch of optimism, cautious optimism, that China is going to, in concession for something else, potentially apply more pressure onto Iran to come to the negotiating table under more favorable terms.
[00:16:13]  What is China going to want from President Trump in order to actually apply more pressure on Iran?
[00:16:21]  China is not susceptible to the economic stressors that have happened as a result of the war.
[00:16:28]  They get around a third of their oil from Iran.
[00:16:31]  It is causing some stress.
[00:16:33]  That's according to people I spoke with yesterday.
[00:16:37]  But they're going to ask for something.
[00:16:39]  And a lot of experts are pointing to sort of the issue of Taiwan.
[00:16:43]  This is something that the president has sort of consistently been weak on, despite the That was made by the Trump administration at the end of last year, around $11 or $12 billion arms sale to Taiwan.
[00:16:56]  You could see Xi asking the president to try to pause that sale or potentially get Trump to say that he doesn't support Taiwanese independence.
[00:17:04]  There is a sort of a laundry list of options that he could choose from there to pressure the president.
[00:17:10]  And again, Trump needs to come away from this meeting with a win, some sort of foreign policy win here, whether it's economic.
[00:17:18]  Or war, and what you have, at least a lot of the diplomatic sources that I'm speaking with, is hopes that it is a way to resume these negotiations.
[00:17:27]  And in the meantime, maintain some sort of stasis when it comes to this ceasefire.
[00:17:32]  Although, as Trump said yesterday, it is on life support.
[00:17:35]  Heading to Beijing for this highly anticipated summit with Xi Jinping.
[00:17:38]  He's bringing a lot of American business leaders with him, including, we should note, Elon Musk, so it appears that they've mended fences.
[00:17:46]  Talk to us about what are some of the economic.
[00:17:49]  Goals for this trip because there's certainly real concern whether it's AI or, of course, Taiwan, which has an economic component to it as well as geopolitical.
[00:17:59]  There's a sense here the president's coming in in a weaker position than Xi Jinping.
[00:18:04]  Well, before we get there, I just want to comment on the Elon Musk Trump relationship for a second because I know a lot of people have suggested this is a demonstration of a thawing in the relationship.
[00:18:14]  And to some degree, that may be true.
[00:18:16]  But I think there's a larger point to be made here, which is the role that Elon Musk plays in China.
[00:18:22]  And importantly, his role in terms of Tesla in China and what's going on there.
[00:18:28]  And I only point that out because on the other side of the ledger, you have Jensen Wong, who runs NVIDIA, who ostensibly has seemed very close with President Trump over the past year or two now.
[00:18:39]  And yet he has not been invited to this meeting in large part because of the view that it would send the wrong message to China about the idea that we don't want to sell chips to China.
[00:18:50]  And if we had invited him, that might suggest something else.
[00:18:53]  I think each of the CEOs that are going with the president, to some degree, maybe less about the relationship with the president per se and more about the messaging and signaling that this represents to China about which businesses we're hoping will do more business in China and maybe which businesses won't be.
[00:19:11]  Now, to your larger question about where do these conversations go, I do think they start.
[00:19:17]  I don't want to say they start and end with Iran, but that's going to be a big issue as it relates to the price of energy and what that's going to do.
[00:19:24]  But it also is going to revolve around cars.
[00:19:28]  Investment in the United States.
[00:19:30]  There's been some talk about, you know, could China be allowed to make investments in the United States around potentially even things like data centers and the like?
[00:19:38]  So, I think that everything is going to be on the table in some way, but where we end, I think nobody really knows.
[00:19:46]  The Chinese Communist Party, as John Salmon says, we now have incontrovertible evidence that they hacked into and got access into 18 databases in the 2020 election.
[00:20:02]  Just so people understand this, for two years of President Trump's first term, two years, Lighthizer, Navarro, and others, Worked on a comprehensive trade pact that would have brought the CCP into the global economic and financial system and taking care of the seven deadly sins that state owned industries, dumping, all of it, taking care of all of it.
[00:20:29]  For two years, it was negotiated.
[00:20:32]  In May, when they were supposed to sign off on it, in May of 2019, they ripped it up and spit in our face.
[00:20:39]  They ripped it up and spit in our face.
[00:20:41]  Why?
[00:20:42]  Because she made a decision.
[00:20:45]  The One Belt, One Road thing was just kicking off.
[00:20:47]  They thought they were on a roll.
[00:20:48]  They were going to decouple technologically from the West.
[00:20:52]  This is where you had Deep Sea and you had TikTok.
[00:20:55]  All these companies started exploding.
[00:20:56]  They got the entrepreneurs and said, You're no longer independent.
[00:20:59]  They also declared a people's war against the United States of America.
[00:21:03]  And lo and behold, President Trump that fall on fire, his economy on fire, the economy he had built.
[00:21:10]  And without a trade deal with China, he had built, they unleashed a bioweapon.
[00:21:16]  On the United States of America.
[00:21:17]  I want to know is the meaning, talk about reparations they have for us, the trillions of dollars?
[00:21:22]  They left a bioweapon that is incontrovertible that they let it out from the Wuhan lab or it leaked out while they were working on it.
[00:21:31]  And now they've hacked into 2020 to defeat Trump.
[00:21:37]  The Chinese Communist Party is 1 million percent, 1 million percent against President Trump, against the MAGA movement.
[00:21:47]  Against Lao Beijing, against the citizens of this country, and the businessmen that are taking over are categorically those businesses that have helped destroy the middle class and working class in this country.
[00:22:01]  Given the fact that they hate President Trump, there's no relationship.
[00:22:05]  These guys don't have relationships.
[00:22:07]  Read the history of Stalin, read the history of Mao Zedong, read the history.
[00:22:12]  They don't believe in those types of things.
[00:22:14]  They believe in the party.
[00:22:15]  They believe in the power of the party.
[00:22:17]  They believe in the power of the party over individuals.
[00:22:22]  Jack Basobic, you wrote a book on human.
[00:22:24]  That's how they think.
[00:22:25]  They're not buddy buddies with anybody.
[00:22:27]  They don't believe in, particularly at the nation state level, in power politics, personal relationships mean nothing.
[00:22:36]  This is why you have the top leaders all the time are thrown in prison or disappeared, right?
[00:22:42]  And so, this, with Iran on the table, just as a heads up to our delegation, they hate everything we stand for.
[00:22:51]  They hate the United States, they hate everything we stand for.
[00:22:53]  But they particularly hate Trump, who's the first guy ever to stand up to him, and they hate MAGA.
[00:22:59]  With that as your background, Jack Vasovic, how's the morning going, sir?
[00:23:05]  Oh, it's going swimmingly.
[00:23:06]  What can you say?
[00:23:08]  We just had Tanya Taylor at the Maha Moms event with Bobby Kennedy last night.
[00:23:12]  We see the president's taken off for China here.
[00:23:15]  And people remember that over at Human Events, we did the China Files just a couple of years ago, and that built out the research for what became the China section, which is really the heart, the spine.
[00:23:26]  Of that book on humans, but we went through the history of the Chinese Communist Party.
[00:23:31]  We understood Xi, we called him the Red Emperor, how he has taken his cult of personality to new levels, the purges, what he calls.
[00:23:40]  So, for example, we had the Chinese Communist Revolution in the 1940s.
[00:23:45]  Then you had the Cultural Revolution in the 1960s.
[00:23:49]  And what has Xi Jinping embarked on since he took power in 2012?
[00:23:52]  He calls it the self revolution, Steve.
[00:23:56]  The self revolution, whereby he is constantly purging the highest ranks of not just the party, But also the military, the regions, the provinces, the big cities, Chongqing, et cetera, all around China to install his leaders and people and politicians, members of the party that are totally loyal to Xi Jinping all along the way up.
[00:24:19]  And we haven't seen this kind of consolidation since Mao.
[00:24:23]  Now, what does that mean?
[00:24:23]  That means that he's got to be the one in the driver's seat.
[00:24:26]  He's got to deliver.
[00:24:28]  And so all this talk, and I saw CNBC and they're saying, okay, so China has been winding down.
[00:24:32]  Why is China's growth slower?
[00:24:34]  It's slower because of the tariff.
[00:24:36]  The policy of President Trump was working and has been working for so much as long as the courts have allowed him to keep them in power.
[00:24:46]  That is why our trade relationship with China is finally starting to rebalance for the benefit of the American people.
[00:24:55]  Why is the Midwest gutted?
[00:24:57]  Why was the Midwest and the Northeast deindustrialized?
[00:25:00]  And why does Shenzhen look the way that it does and Shanghai and all the rest of it?
[00:25:04]  Because that's your money.
[00:25:05]  That's your American dollars that were used with the foreign direct investment.
[00:25:09]  To build up China to where it is.
[00:25:11]  And President Trump's the only one who's called these people out.
[00:25:14]  So, yes, he's bringing the CEOs over, but I would argue, Steve, it's because it's finally time to get the tariffs back on board and dismantle this ridiculous system of globalism, which is not working.
[00:25:27]  Do you think that's going to happen when you're hearing the rumors that they want to give licenses to the Chinese to put automobiles, to sell automobiles in the United States, andor to build their own data centers or basically make investment in manufacturing that would actually?
[00:25:43]  Own American soil, sir?
[00:25:47]  Look, Steve, I've seen all these rumors, but these rumors are generated from media.
[00:25:51]  They're not generated from the White House.
[00:25:53]  They're not generated from the President of the United States.
[00:25:55]  And we know that there's only been one man who's been talking about China on the national stage since all the way back 2011, 2012.
[00:26:02]  That's Donald J. Trump.
[00:26:04]  He talked about it so much in 2016 that there were memes mocking him for how much he was talking about China, but he was 100% right to put China front and center because this is the head of the dragon.
[00:26:17]  That's how we won 2016.
[00:26:18]  We shifted the conversation in the last 90 days, particularly in Wisconsin, Michigan, and in your beloved state, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.
[00:26:26]  And guess what?
[00:26:27]  The working class in Ohio and Iowa, people out there got the joke.
[00:26:30]  You didn't have to go into China.
[00:26:31]  China's a four letter word out there.
[00:26:33]  China's.
[00:26:34]  Hang on, Jack.
[00:26:35]  I got Fattis with a plan.
[00:26:37]  Fennel's with us.
[00:26:39]  The CCP's on the table.
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[00:26:53]  She would like to see that, wouldn't she?
[00:26:59]  Short break.
[00:27:00]  Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
[00:27:03]  Sam Faddis, you dealt with the Persians for much of your career in service to your country, including a lot in country.
[00:27:09]  You wrote something on the AND magazine the other day that I think would be a great thing for President Trump to have in his back pocket when he sat down with Xi about what his battle plan is.
[00:27:17]  Can you walk us through your recommendations to the President of the United States of dealing with the Iranians, sir?
[00:27:23]  Yeah, look, the bottom line here, Steve, in my opinion, is we're not hurting these guys enough.
[00:27:27]  We imposed a blockade.
[00:27:28]  We're waiting for them to come to the table and make a deal.
[00:27:31]  They just told us to pound sand again.
[00:27:34]  So, as I wrote the article, go for the jugular, up the pain level dramatically.
[00:27:39]  They got six land border routes from Pakistan into Iran, and the Chinese are sending in everything to support the war effort.
[00:27:48]  Look at every one of those routes take out bridges, take out the roadways, shut that off.
[00:27:52]  They're moving oil out into Iraq, they being the Iranians, they're mixing it with Iraqi oil.
[00:27:59]  And then they're selling it with false documents on the world market as Iraqi oil.
[00:28:05]  So they're still getting money.
[00:28:10]  Take out all of those border crossings.
[00:28:12]  I'm talking on the Iranian side.
[00:28:14]  Shut them off, seal off their land borders.
[00:28:17]  As of yesterday, there were something like 28 super tankers parked off the coast of Malaysia in this anchorage that are all carrying Iranian oil that they basically banked there.
[00:28:30]  Before we blockaded the Straits, and it's all being sold to the Chinese.
[00:28:35]  Seize every one of those tankers and sail it away and sell the oil and keep it for ourselves.
[00:28:41]  I mean, take down their comms internally, knock out television, knock out radio, impose a no fly zone.
[00:28:48]  I have no idea why there are planes taking off and landing from Tehran Airport in the middle of this war.
[00:28:55]  Seal these guys off, cut off every contact with the outside world.
[00:29:02]  They think they can hold out longer than us right now.
[00:29:04]  We have to change that calculus.
[00:29:07]  One thing you brought up twice in this, Sam Faddis, is China, both in the overland routes coming overland to supply them because they ain't getting that from Azerbaijan or Kazakhstan.
[00:29:20]  They're getting it from the CCP.
[00:29:22]  Also, about this ghost fleet of ships that are somewhere, I don't know, around Indonesia.
[00:29:28]  That's also what they're using to supply the CCP with oil.
[00:29:32]  Is it your recommendation that the president should put that on the table and have a blunt conversation with Xi?
[00:29:39]  Yeah, 100%.
[00:29:40]  There's no reason we should be dancing around.
[00:29:42]  I mean, the bottom line is the Iranians haven't missed a paycheck yet, the regime, because they stashed all this oil in these super tankers off the coast of Malaysia and Indonesia.
[00:29:52]  And it's about four months worth of oil they banked.
[00:29:55]  And they're selling it essentially 95% of it anyway to the Chinese.
[00:29:59]  So the Chinese are, you know, helping them make their rocket fuel.
[00:30:03]  They're giving them their electronics for their drones.
[00:30:05]  They're giving them the Targeting data to kill our people.
[00:30:09]  And they're paying the Iranians.
[00:30:12]  They're keeping the regime afloat.
[00:30:15]  So we're seeing that.

=== Hard Line Against Chinese Regime (16:13) ===

[00:30:16]  Is the Chinese Communist Party.
[00:30:18]  Sam Fettis, given your professional experience in the CIA for 30 years, in your professional opinion, is the Chinese Communist Party a competitor or peer competitor to the United States, or are they an enemy to the United States of America?
[00:30:35]  Yeah, without question, they're an enemy.
[00:30:36]  We're at war with these guys.
[00:30:37]  They started this war a long time ago.
[00:30:39]  And they're just keeping ramping up the level.
[00:30:42]  I mean, they are now actively helping the Iranians kill and wound American servicemen.
[00:30:49]  We shouldn't.
[00:30:50]  Why are we pretending otherwise?
[00:30:52]  Why are we pretending like the goal is to get along with them?
[00:30:57]  Captain James Fennell, you spent your professional career.
[00:31:01]  In fact, you gave up your career on this very topic the Chinese Communist Party and their military focus.
[00:31:08]  Do you agree with Sam Faddis that the Chinese Communist Party is not a pure competitor, not trying to be a competitor to the United States.
[00:31:16]  They're an existential threat and an enemy of the Lao Beijing, their own people, the citizens of this country, and the United States of America?
[00:31:26]  100%.
[00:31:27]  Sam is correct.
[00:31:28]  And I was working on a paper today and I was reviewing Xi Jinping's 2021 speech in July for the 100th anniversary of the Chinese Communist Party.
[00:31:39]  And in that speech, he says, Those who try to oppose us, we will bash their heads in on the steel of China.
[00:31:47]  So he has made it very clear that he opposes the United States of America and wants to confront us and defeat us.
[00:31:55]  And that's what he's working towards.
[00:31:57]  He could help and stop Iran from doing what they're doing, but he's not going to do it.
[00:32:02]  He'd rather work around another way to get oil.
[00:32:07]  As Sam said, he's got active reserves there for several months.
[00:32:11]  He's got his own strategic petroleum reserve that he's had built up.
[00:32:15]  So he would rather see us get mired down in that than do anything to help us.
[00:32:19]  Just like with fentanyl, just like with the economy, just like with every other issue, they are trying to destroy us.
[00:32:28]  It's not up for debate.
[00:32:29]  It's not my words, it's their words.
[00:32:31]  They're coming after us.
[00:32:33]  And I think President Trump understands that.
[00:32:36]  And I think he's going to go over there in private and remind them who's actually in control in terms of economic and military power.
[00:32:43]  And I think that's the hope that I have for this visit.
[00:32:46]  I wish he wouldn't have gone, but he's going.
[00:32:48]  So I think he's going to go and remind them.
[00:32:51]  And I would suggest that what we saw, remember in the first term when he had Xi in Mar a Lago and he went up and took out Soleimani and put that in the face of Xi.
[00:33:04]  We could very well see everyone saying that Trump won't do anything with Iran kinetically while he's in China.
[00:33:09]  We very much well could see President Trump show that to Xi and say, Guess what?
[00:33:14]  While I'm in your country, I'm going to restart kinetic operations.
[00:33:17]  That's entirely possible.
[00:33:19]  And I hope he does it and does and follows the targeting plan that Sam has laid out in that piece.
[00:33:23]  And I would go one step farther and arc light all under Abbas and the old straight.
[00:33:30]  Yeah, hangers.
[00:33:31]  It wasn't Soleimani.
[00:33:32]  That's where they hit Syria.
[00:33:35]  For the Syrian gas attack, which turned out to be fallacious, but it was at the time President Trump was told it was true.
[00:33:42]  But that was where she was eating a piece of chocolate cake and President Trump dropped it on him in Mar-a-Lago.
[00:33:49]  Jack Basobic, do you agree?
[00:33:51]  Captain Fanel just said that we're militarily and economically superior.
[00:33:56]  President Trump's got those cards.
[00:33:58]  The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, everything I'm reading is that, oh, we're kind of the supplicant here.
[00:34:02]  We're on our back foot.
[00:34:04]  The rise of China, China's manufacturing is incredible.
[00:34:08]  Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
[00:34:10]  Are the unhumans in the Chinese Communist Party superior to us, sir?
[00:34:15]  Steve, no, they're not superior to us.
[00:34:17]  And it's really simple.
[00:34:18]  They can't innovate the way that we innovate, they can't create the way that we create.
[00:34:23]  Their system is this unhuman system.
[00:34:26]  And that was built on the backs of the slave labor of the Chinese people, the slave labor of the Lao Beijing, the slave labor of the hundreds of millions of Chinese people who are still living in day to day poverty.
[00:34:39]  They live in the shadows because of the hukou system.
[00:34:41]  And they don't even have papers to be able to work in places like Shanghai and Shenzhen, as opposed to these impoverished areas, which are still all across the entire countryside.
[00:34:50]  And there are protests all the time within China that are put down.
[00:34:54]  You don't hear about it because it doesn't make any of the Western papers, but they do exist.
[00:34:59]  And so that's why the CCP needs to continue their crackdowns the way that they do internally.
[00:35:06]  But if President Trump actually works to put the American people to work by bringing our manufacturing flooding back, bringing those jobs flooding back down the Mississippi River up to the Great Lakes, like it used to be with Detroit and all the rest, then we can be the ones in the driver's seat.
[00:35:24]  We have the money.
[00:35:26]  We are currently the consumer power.
[00:35:30]  But if we become the manufacturing power as well, they get shut out.
[00:35:34]  That's why decoupling is so important.
[00:35:36]  They try to play this game.
[00:35:37]  With raw earth, by the way.
[00:35:38]  Well, guess what?
[00:35:39]  We just found massive lithium deposits in Appalachia.
[00:35:43]  And guess where else is a huge amount of rare earths?
[00:35:45]  Greenland, baby.
[00:35:47]  So you look at what President Trump's doing and you put it all together, they don't have the leverage over us that they think they do.
[00:35:54]  And all of this pie in the sky stuff that's coming out of the stenography that the Wall Street Journal is doing for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce is just that.
[00:36:04]  These are marketing plays, these are pitches, this is what they want.
[00:36:07]  They're wish casting.
[00:36:08]  For what they want Trump to do, but he has the ability to put the American people and our country in the driver's seat, not just now, but for the next hundred years of American growth.
[00:36:20]  Jim, Captain Fanell, under Jack's point, you know, the 2019, in May of 2019, the most important geopolitical month still in this century, when the Chinese Communist Party said, no, we're going to decouple from the Americans because Trump's too much, launch a bioweapon.
[00:36:36]  Then they came in and took over 18 states.
[00:36:39]  We know that they took the voter rolls and got access to the voter rolls to defeat Trump.
[00:36:43]  Actively engaged in trying to throw the 2020 election to Joe Biden because Joe Biden was on their payroll.
[00:36:51]  They're still trying to decouple today, yet, the business delegation he took over there are the people that want to triple down on some sort of unity of our two systems, although the Chinese Communist Party doesn't play by the rules.
[00:37:04]  Your thoughts?
[00:37:06]  Right.
[00:37:07]  That's the balancing act that I think the president has he's got people that still want to do business internationally and they're still embedded in China.
[00:37:17]  So, I think the president is trying to balance that out in terms of I've got to have some business there.
[00:37:23]  While we don't want to necessarily make ourselves dependent on China, these companies obviously are there, and then some of them are trying to get out.
[00:37:31]  And so, how do you get out without losing your entire company?
[00:37:35]  I think that'll be part of that process.
[00:37:37]  But I think Jack was right.
[00:37:39]  We need to return manufacturing back to America and shut out China.
[00:37:43]  They are dependent upon us as consumers and the rest of the Western world as consumers.
[00:37:48]  And we need to shut that off.
[00:37:50]  We need to shut them off from access from foreign domestic investment.
[00:37:53]  That's what they want.
[00:37:55]  If you read everything that the Chinese have put out this last week in the run up to this summit, it's been two things FDI, they want cash, they want U.S. dollars, and they want some kind of statement on Taiwan.
[00:38:07]  And I don't think we should give them either one.
[00:38:11]  Sam Faddis, the intelligence services, what do you think the intelligence, how they frame this, particularly in Taiwan?
[00:38:17]  Do you think that they're telling them, oh, there is some rhetorical.
[00:38:21]  There are some rhetorical softening you can have with Taiwan without triggering a crisis?
[00:38:29]  God, I hope not, Steve.
[00:38:31]  But, you know, given what the IC has been doing, entirely possible.
[00:38:37]  I mean, look, one of the things we're definitely going to get pressure from Xi is to soften and begin to back away from Taiwan.
[00:38:47]  So if he doesn't invade, he can at least.
[00:38:51]  Shove them into taking the Hong Kong bargain, right?
[00:38:55]  Which is the infamous one nation, two systems lie that he foisted on Hong Kong.
[00:39:02]  And then obviously we know what happened there.
[00:39:06]  So, I mean, there shouldn't be any softening on anything.
[00:39:11]  I mean, we need to be going the other direction, taking a harder line with these guys and be prepared and just recognize the reality.
[00:39:18]  They started a war with us a long time ago.
[00:39:23]  Jim, for now, we've got about a minute.
[00:39:25]  I'm going to hold you guys through the break.
[00:39:27]  Are we, if we soften the rhetoric at all, our defense of Taiwan, do we jeopardize losing the entire first island chain, sir?
[00:39:36]  I think there's a risk to that in terms of perception.
[00:39:39]  So I agree with Sam.
[00:39:40]  We should not weaken in any way.
[00:39:42]  In fact, the Taiwans last Friday just passed a $25 billion, US billion dollar procurement budget on their own to demonstrate to President Trump and I think the administration that they're in on this, that they're willing to defend themselves.
[00:39:56]  So I don't see there's a need for us to back off.
[00:39:59]  And given what we're seeing going on with Iran and what's going on in the Ukraine, I think President Trump now can actually question Duna's mind.
[00:40:08]  Where he maybe in the first term he thought, well, they'll never be able to defend Taiwan.
[00:40:12]  The Chinese can just take it.
[00:40:13]  It's just right there.
[00:40:14]  Well, maybe not.
[00:40:15]  And so I think these other events are providing him maybe some information to suggest that he can relate to Xi, which is to say, hey, guess what?
[00:40:24]  You're not going to be able to take Taiwan, and here's why, and run down the list in private.
[00:40:29]  Okay, got hang on.
[00:40:31]  We're going to hold you guys through the break.
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[00:40:57]  Here's your host, Stephen K. Bann.
[00:41:02]  Okay, we're going to have these three on a lot in the next couple of days.
[00:41:06]  We're really going to go wall to wall coverage on China because people say it's maybe the most important meeting President Trump has in his.
[00:41:14]  In his term, I might say the one we structured in Mar-a-Lago.
[00:41:18]  I don't know.
[00:41:19]  I think it came out pretty damn good.
[00:41:23]  Sam Faddis, if you had a minute to grab the president's attention before he got on the plane today, if you took Marine One with him to Andrews, what would you tell him?
[00:41:34]  Going to China as the leader of the most powerful nation in the history of the world and the dominant power on the planet, act like it.
[00:41:43]  We are not supplicants.
[00:41:45]  We are not asking for anything.
[00:41:49]  We are expecting the Chinese to recognize that and respond accordingly.
[00:41:55]  And if they don't satisfy us, then we are prepared as fast as his plane lifts off to begin taking decisive action, like grabbing those 28 tankers sitting off the coast of Malaysia and sailing them back to the United States to sell the oil to somebody else, not to you, Xi.
[00:42:15]  To the American people.
[00:42:16]  Sam Fattis, where do people go?
[00:42:18]  Your articles are amazing.
[00:42:19]  Where do they go?
[00:42:21]  And magazine at Substack, and magazine.substack.com, and I'm all over the net at real Sam Fattis.
[00:42:29]  Thank you, brother.
[00:42:30]  A minute, you, Captain Fanel, if you had a chance, a Marine, one to tell him.
[00:42:34]  Also, you would tell him about your book that's up on Amazon with Dr. Thayer.
[00:42:37]  That's an incredible indictment about the Chinese Communist Party.
[00:42:40]  And in the American elites, like the ones on the follow plane with him, your thoughts, sir?
[00:42:46]  Yes, Steve, engaging with communist China is a strategic failure.
[00:42:51]  So the president, I think, understands that.
[00:42:53]  He is very much in the mindset of publicly praising people like Xi, but in private, I think he's going to give them the business and remind them, as Sam just said, who is in charge, who's got the power, both economically and militarily, and that he needs Xi to get on board.
[00:43:11]  And if he doesn't, there'll be a price to pay.
[00:43:13]  We're no more talk.
[00:43:14]  We want action from the Chinese.
[00:43:16]  Quit killing our people with fentanyl, quit supplying missile components to Iran, and back off on these other issues.
[00:43:24]  And maybe you can get some economic benefit.
[00:43:26]  But that is President Trump's bona fides and what has made him the president, how to deal.
[00:43:32]  So we'll let him do that.
[00:43:34]  And the first president ever to be able to deal with the Chinese Communist Party, put the fear of God in him.
[00:43:39]  Captain Fennell, thank you.
[00:43:40]  You and Dr. Thayer will get up and have a great book on Amazon about this entire topic.
[00:43:45]  Thank you, sir.
[00:43:45]  I want people to go see that book.
[00:43:47]  Two of the best, Dr. Bradley Thayer and Captain Jim Fennell, both who have given their life, professional lives, to the study and involvement.
[00:43:56]  And fight against the Chinese Communist Party.
[00:43:58]  Jack Basobic, on humans, your thoughts, Jack, and you would tell him not in Mandarin, just give it to me in English.
[00:44:07]  I mean, oh, not in Mandarin, you say not Mandarin.
[00:44:15]  So, no, look, it's real simple.
[00:44:18]  So, we can go, you look at the top line of it is why have we never been repaid for COVID 19?
[00:44:25]  Why has China never Had to pay any reparations whatsoever for the trillions upon trillions of dollars of damage that they feasted upon this country.
[00:44:35]  Not to mention, not to mention the psychological damage, emotional, cultural, et cetera, social damage that was done by the lockdowns to our children, the damage that was done to our people, the deaths that were done, the people who were killed in our country, our families, the people that we were lost.
[00:44:52]  And then on the backs of that, we saw everything else that happened as a result.
[00:44:58]  All of that was.
[00:45:00]  As we've said from the start, a bioweapon from the Chinese Communist Party.
[00:45:05]  We all know it was.
[00:45:06]  By the way, if you had COVID, you know that that thing was artificial.
[00:45:10]  Everybody who went through it knows that that thing did not feel like a normal virus.
[00:45:15]  It was something that was cooked up in a lab in a place called Wuhan.
[00:45:19]  We know about all this.
[00:45:20]  And President Trump has the ability to actually finally hold them to account for it.
[00:45:25]  Something, quite frankly, that I think the administration would do well to talk about more, or if the president doesn't want to himself, because he's going to be engaged in these direct negotiations, direct negotiations.
[00:45:34]  He with Xi Jinping, he could have someone do so on his back, maybe the vice president, something like this.
[00:45:39]  But, Steve, we have to remember just go back to Unhumans the Chinese Communist Party was never the legitimate ruler of China, they never were.
[00:45:50]  This was a deal that was made with Stalin.
[00:45:54]  They took Manchuria from the Japanese, then the Soviets handed all of the weaponry to Mao Zedong, they handed it to the Chinese Communists, and the Americans did not do what needed to be done.
[00:46:07]  To help the nationalists and Chiang Kai shek fight back, we walked through this chapter and verse in Unhumans and then walked through that back in the 1980s.
[00:46:16]  Senator McCarthy, yeah, this Senator McCarthy uh told you in uh Retreat from Victory that General Marshall and the Communists and the State Department handed it over to him, and then of course, in Tineman's square, the Bush administration.

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[00:46:31]  You're the Associated Press of MAGA, your Twitter feed, your getter feed.
[00:46:34]  Where do people go?
[00:46:36]  Well, thank you, Steve, so much.
[00:46:37]  Appreciate that.
[00:46:38]  That everybody will be up.
[00:46:40]  All day, all night.
[00:46:41]  Of course, we'll be tracking this meeting in real time.
[00:46:44]  It's at Jack Posobic, the podcast, of course, Human Events Daily, Apple, Spotify.
[00:46:49]  We're going to be putting up full sit reps on everything that goes down on this meeting.
[00:46:54]  Who's who?
[00:46:55]  We've got sources that are on the trip as well.
[00:46:57]  And so, what's going to happen there on the ground and hopefully what happens in the Beijing boardroom?
[00:47:04]  Jack Posobic, thank you.
[00:47:05]  Looking forward to the coverage.
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