Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 1006: The New Film “The Story Of Everything” Explores Evidence of Intentional Design Throughout Nature
Aired: 2026-05-09
Duration: 48:00


=== Science Reveals Existence (14:27) ===

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[00:00:55]  Friday, 8th of May, Anno Domini 2026.
[00:01:01]  Ben Hanwell here at the helm on Steve Bannon's Warham.
[00:01:04]  Good evening.
[00:01:06]  Very, very interesting guest now, Dr. Douglas Axe, who is a contributor to this new film.
[00:01:13]  You might already have seen some of the promotional literature, the story of everything.
[00:01:18]  Before we go into it and talk to Dr. Axe about some of the things he's expounding in that film, let's have a quick look at the trailer.
[00:01:32]  Today, I'm going to tell you a story which may seem very strange.
[00:01:39]  Galileo, Kepler, Newton.
[00:01:44]  Each tried to explain events in the history of the universe.
[00:01:47]  Has the universe always been here?
[00:01:49]  Or is it finite?
[00:01:51]  Is there something else that would lay these questions to rest?
[00:01:54]  It reopens that question of ultimate meaning.
[00:01:57]  How in the world did this start?
[00:02:00]  The simulation theory?
[00:02:01]  The multiverse.
[00:02:02]  You can't trust what's in front of your eyes.
[00:02:04]  Come on, that's ridiculous.
[00:02:05]  That belongs in the movies.
[00:02:11]  We want to take our metaphysical hypotheses and see what they point to.
[00:02:16]  And I can remember him saying here is evidence for what can only be described as a supernatural event.
[00:02:24]  He himself made a discovery that shook his personal philosophy.
[00:02:29]  The fact the universe sprang into being at a definite moment seems to me theological.
[00:02:34]  And it is science that has revealed this.
[00:02:37]  We are dealing with a system of manifold, complex design.
[00:02:42]  Rational force compared with any nuclear force?
[00:02:44]  One part in 10 of the 10s.
[00:02:45]  It's not too hard.
[00:02:46]  It's not too slow.
[00:02:47]  It turned out to be the tip of the iceberg.
[00:02:51]  We associate information with a rational intelligence behind it.
[00:02:57]  It had an uncanny resemblance to a digital bit string, very much like an information carrier.
[00:03:03]  You can read the same segment forward to get one protein and backwards to get another.
[00:03:08]  It struck us with a tremendous impact.
[00:03:10]  Without guidance, we would get a life unfriendly universe.
[00:03:15]  Many organisms have beauty beyond anything that's relevant for their survival value.
[00:03:19]  The concept of life as a cosmic phenomenon should have many consequences.
[00:03:28]  The question then was what does one do about it?
[00:03:46]  Well, there are trailers that make you go meh.
[00:03:49]  And there are trailers that you think make you sit up in the seat and think, I can't wait to see this film.
[00:03:55]  I think it was made for the War Room audience.
[00:03:58]  It's right there at the intersection, I think, of where a lot of our audience are huge, overwhelmingly evangelical audience.
[00:04:06]  We do have a traditional Catholic following as well, but rational and informed as well.
[00:04:13]  And I think this film will help.
[00:04:16]  To explain some of the things that everyday people, when trying to communicate their faith in a secular sphere, might struggle if they're not professional scientists to convey, this film might help arm them towards that.
[00:04:31]  Tell me a bit, Dr. Axe, you're in this film, you're a contributor in it.
[00:04:36]  Tell me a bit about the film more generally.
[00:04:38]  Why was it made?
[00:04:39]  What it's hoping to achieve?
[00:04:41]  And then I'm going to dive in a little bit on your own particular thought.
[00:04:45]  Yeah, well, my.
[00:04:47]  Colleague and close friend Steve Meyer has written three books, the most recent of which is The Return of the God Hypothesis.
[00:04:54]  So, all of these are apologetic, they're scientific apologetic books in that they are looking at the world that we observe as scientists and making the case that when you do that carefully, the world and science as a study of the world actually reveals that we're not alone, that God is over this thing that we're observing.
[00:05:17]  And so, the last one, The Return of the God Hypothesis, Is the one that inspired this film that has been in the works for some time.
[00:05:24]  And I was just really pleased to see how well it came together.
[00:05:31]  Tell us a bit about the.
[00:05:33]  There are two theories, hypotheses that a lot of our audience will be aware of without knowing perhaps in depth creationism and intelligent design.
[00:05:48]  I think this film is far more within the.
[00:05:51]  Within the second category, intelligent design.
[00:05:54]  Just say a little bit, if you wouldn't mind, a recap on what those two different philosophies or theological approaches to philosophy are, what the difference is, and why this film leans more towards intelligent design itself.
[00:06:09]  So, creationism and intelligent design.
[00:06:13]  I think creationism is a broad statement that people who believe that this is a universe, that we live in a world that is God created, are creationists.
[00:06:23]  So, I'm a creationist, but It's kind of an approach to how you bring that idea to science.
[00:06:30]  And typically, people who call themselves young earth creationists or old earth creationists go about it one way, and people who associate with the intelligent design movement tend to go about it another way.
[00:06:43]  And the difference is a creationist approach to science is trying to reconcile the Genesis account with scientific data, with scientific observations.
[00:06:56]  The intelligent design approach, while not bashing that at all, is saying, well, what if we just do the science well?
[00:07:03]  In other words, part of what's gone wrong here is that people have brought baggage to the science and they've allowed that baggage to force an interpretation that is not really there in the data.
[00:07:17]  So, what if we were just to do the science well?
[00:07:19]  That's the intelligent design approach.
[00:07:21]  What would the science tell us?
[00:07:22]  And indeed, if you do it well, and this film shows this in a remarkably powerful way.
[00:07:30]  The science itself says God is over this.
[00:07:34]  And so the film has scientist after scientist who were atheists, and their own fields got them to either drop their atheism or to hit pause and wonder what's going on.
[00:07:45]  Alan Sandage, Robert Jastraw, Dean Kenyon, Fred Hoyle all figure prominently in this film.
[00:07:53]  So, would you say the film is made particularly within mind for a lay audience, or also are you trying to get arguments across to the scientific community as well?
[00:08:04]  I think it's one of these things that can straddle the two.
[00:08:07]  It's intended to be intelligible to people who don't have a scientific background, but it also, for people who do have a scientific background, they will.
[00:08:18]  Appreciate the fact that it is touching on things that are very technical and doing a reasonably good job of conveying them in simple terms.
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[00:08:33]  Before I do that, could you give perhaps an example of an area where you think scientific materialism struggles or leans too far over its skis?
[00:08:49]  If I might use that term, to try to explain something where, as you're suggesting, the evidence of, if I say God, just to use shorthand here, a direct indication of the fingerprints of God is most clearly discernible.
[00:09:09]  Yeah.
[00:09:10]  Well, one that figures prominently in the film is the fact that this universe clearly had a beginning.
[00:09:18]  There was a beginning.
[00:09:20]  And The film does a good job of showing historically how there was huge pushback from astronomers, cosmologists, and physicists who did not like the idea that the universe has had a beginning.
[00:09:32]  They wanted this to be an eternal universe.
[00:09:34]  The universe has always existed.
[00:09:36]  And when they study, when you look at outer space and you see the redshift and all these things coming together, it forced them to the conclusion that no, in fact, this universe did have a beginning.
[00:09:49]  This includes Albert Einstein.
[00:09:50]  There's clips in the film of.
[00:09:52]  Albert Einstein realizing, oops, part of his theory with the cosmological constant was wrong.
[00:09:59]  And he later called that the greatest mistake of his career.
[00:10:02]  Something closer to my work, though, of leaning too far over the skis is Darwinism, the claim that we have understood a natural process that can produce all kinds of living things.
[00:10:12]  And that just turns out to be false if you do the science correctly, which I've devoted a good number of years to doing.
[00:10:20]  Well, as a molecular biologist, I'm going to come on to that in just a moment.
[00:10:26]  Is it your.
[00:10:27]  Have I understood what you're saying correctly here?
[00:10:29]  Because in talking about the creation of the universe, the start of the universe, and of course, effectively, the start of life itself, these are two things.
[00:10:38]  And I can understand, at least with regards to the universe, why people looking to decouple the existence and the universe from an explicitly or overtly theistic response will say, oh, it's just always been there, it's eternal, right?
[00:10:57]  Because otherwise, you come into the question of, well, you know, if rational scientism is predicated on the principle of nothing happening without a prior cause, all you have to do is follow the chain, the causal chain back, and you're going to have a problem of trying to explain something that isn't caused.
[00:11:18]  And that's not a new thought, right?
[00:11:19]  That goes back to the ancient Greeks, probably one of the great contributions of ancient Greek philosophy to the rigor.
[00:11:29]  The rigorous scientific approach.
[00:11:31]  And that's why the ancient Greeks, at the very end of it, just before the onset of Christianity, predicated this existence of God as the prime mover, the unmoved mover that started everything off, because that was simply a rational working backwards.
[00:11:50]  Is that what you're suggesting here, then?
[00:11:53]  Because the science now so clearly indicates a sort of a creation of all time, matter, space, energy out of nothing.
[00:12:03]  And there must be something before that that made that happen because you can't have something because otherwise it's a supernatural act, right?
[00:12:11]  Yeah, well, everything that comes into existence has to have a cause.
[00:12:14]  And when it became clear from cosmology, this wasn't people saying, look at Genesis, this is people saying, look at the galaxies.
[00:12:22]  It became clear from actual scientific observation and data that this universe had a beginning, which raises the question well, what caused this universe to come into existence?
[00:12:33]  And whatever the answer to that question is.
[00:12:36]  Cannot be something in the universe because physics, space, time, matter, and energy came into existence at some point.
[00:12:46]  So, something not that, something outside of that, must have been the cause that brought it into existence.
[00:12:52]  And that puts you very close to, and all these people recognize that, even atheists, that takes you very close to admitting that God brought this whole thing into existence.
[00:13:03]  Stay with this, Dr. Axe.
[00:13:05]  We'll be digging down further than that in just a few moments.
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[00:14:20]  Back to Dr. Douglas Axe.
[00:14:23]  You know, I was going to ask you now, Dr. Axe, about some of your own insights as a biologist, as a molecular biologist.

=== Engineering and Life's Elegance (12:18) ===

[00:14:30]  Before I do that, however, because in talking about the creation of the universe, was it Immanuel Kant who suggested that one of the things that cause wonder in him is looking up at the starry, Sky at night.
[00:14:45]  If it's not Kant, I'll apologize to whichever philosopher it was.
[00:14:50]  But it's a strange intuition, isn't it, that the universe is an indication of the creative power of God.
[00:15:02]  And yet, even non believers, when standing up and looking at that same starry sky, can feel the stirrings of something.
[00:15:12]  Indeed.
[00:15:12]  And this goes all the way back to, I mean, And scripture has references to this.
[00:15:17]  The heavens declare the glory of God.
[00:15:19]  I think people have not heard that and have not seen or read scripture when you see a beautiful starry night, which you don't always, where I am in Los Angeles because of all the light pollution.
[00:15:33]  But when you're out away from cities and you see the night sky, you feel both very small and in a way very blessed to be beholding something that is so immense, so much larger than us.
[00:15:47]  And I think all the way back, that has.
[00:15:49]  Indicated to humans, we are not alone, we're in something very grand, and someone very grand must be behind this.
[00:15:58]  Um, tell us now, then, with regards to your own background as a biologist, bringing some of your own insights.
[00:16:07]  Now, what first brought you in?
[00:16:09]  If I'm not mistaken, you didn't start out believing so rigorously in intelligent design, but it was really the evidence itself that was sort of starting to indicate that you could detect.
[00:16:23]  Certain evidence of design, of intentional design.
[00:16:28]  Tell us a bit about that journey, if you wouldn't mind, in just a couple of moments.
[00:16:31]  Sure.
[00:16:32]  I started off by studying engineering.
[00:16:34]  So I majored in chemical engineering as an undergraduate.
[00:16:39]  I went to UC Berkeley to study that.
[00:16:42]  I started to become very interested in the possibility of.
[00:16:47]  I had heard about Darwinism, was not particularly interested in biology, but when I heard about Darwinism and was moving toward graduate studies, I started to think that we need someone to do a careful scientific analysis to see whether Darwinian evolution can actually work or not.
[00:17:08]  And it occurred to me that the best way to do that would be to look at single molecules that have function.
[00:17:15]  And these are protein molecules.
[00:17:16]  They're mentioned in the story of everything.
[00:17:19]  And you get pictures of them, some nice animations as well.
[00:17:23]  The question in my mind was these are really the smallest things that are clever inventions.
[00:17:30]  That are necessary for life.
[00:17:33]  And because they're small, they are encoded by single genes.
[00:17:37]  It's possible to do a test of Darwin's idea on these single things.
[00:17:42]  In other words, because a single gene encodes, gives the genetic instructions for making one of these little active machines inside a cell, one can ask how hard or how easy would it be for mutations in DNA to produce a new version of one of these things?
[00:18:02]  And so I set out to do that.
[00:18:03]  This was in the UK, this work that started at Cambridge University in the Department of Chemistry and ended up at the Medical Research Council Center in the UK.
[00:18:14]  And I had several papers published on this, but came up with a experiment, results from an experiment that allowed me to come up with a number that you could interpret as a probability of a blind process stumbling upon the genetic information for one of these things to work.
[00:18:35]  And that number, as published, is one in 10 to the 77th power.
[00:18:39]  So one in 100,000 trillion, which is an astonishingly low probability.
[00:18:47]  At that point, I thought there's no way that this process can work.
[00:18:53]  It can't even produce the very smallest things that are needed for life, much less entire new life forms.
[00:19:02]  So let me just get that right then.
[00:19:06]  So the probability.
[00:19:09]  Then, or is this what you're saying?
[00:19:11]  The probability of life occurring in the way that you're studying it spontaneously is one times 10 raised to the power of 77.
[00:19:19]  Is that the hypothesis?
[00:19:21]  No, something to get life is much worse than that.
[00:19:24]  I'm talking about getting one little piece, one little active protein.
[00:19:29]  The odds would be roughly one.
[00:19:31]  Yeah.
[00:19:32]  And you would need hundreds of those and a lot more on top of that to get a simple bacterial cell.
[00:19:37]  So it's just staggeringly improbable.
[00:19:41]  The film talks about all kinds of improbabilities on top of this, like the improbability of having the very, very low entropy that.
[00:19:50]  The beginning of the universe had the improbability of having the fine tuning that Goldilocks universe, and then on top of that, is these staggering improbabilities of the parts, the molecules that are necessary for life to function.
[00:20:04]  Is it right to say that life itself somewhat contradicts the law of entropy, of expanding entropy?
[00:20:13]  Well, it's a jarring surprise if we live in a universe where there is no God and everything is just.
[00:20:22]  Sort of winding down, as it were.
[00:20:24]  So, the law of entropy says that natural processes tend toward higher entropy or higher disorder.
[00:20:33]  And certainly, something happened on planet Earth that violated that, that brought about extraordinary order.
[00:20:42]  And I know there are people who say, well, but the sun is compensating for that because the entropy overall of our solar system is increasing.
[00:20:54]  But that doesn't actually solve the problem because.
[00:20:56]  Simply having entropy increasing somewhere does not give you astonishing complex order somewhere else.
[00:21:02]  So, yes, there is something jarring that happened on planet Earth if you're a materialist or a naturalist.
[00:21:09]  Obviously, if you're a theist, there's a very clear explanation.
[00:21:13]  Someone created this, and Earth was created, and this solar system was created in order for us to be here.
[00:21:22]  You said elsewhere that.
[00:21:26]  Living systems look less like chemistry and more like engineering.
[00:21:30]  So, with both a chemist, a chemistry and engineering background, that's a pretty powerful claim to make, right?
[00:21:41]  Yes.
[00:21:41]  And I actually, as a graduate student, having studied a branch of engineering or a discipline within engineering that's called process control.
[00:21:52]  And with that background, I was at Caltech doing grad studies, and there was a lecture on.
[00:21:59]  A genetic regulatory mechanism that had a feedback loop.
[00:22:04]  And this is a mechanism that's telling the cell whether it should make more of the amino acid tryptophan or less.
[00:22:12]  And it's in a balance where it can go up or down.
[00:22:15]  And I was watching the diagram that was being put on the board during this lecture.
[00:22:20]  And I thought, this is remarkable.
[00:22:23]  This is engineering.
[00:22:25]  And I know something about that.
[00:22:27]  But this is engineering implemented at the single molecule level.
[00:22:30]  And we've never done anything like this.
[00:22:34]  In human technology.
[00:22:35]  So I was blown away.
[00:22:36]  And I thought there is a connection between engineering and life, but there's also a more elegant version of engineering than you find in anything that humans have produced is in life.
[00:22:51]  I think we've got time really for one more question.
[00:22:54]  Then I'll just ask you to sum up a bit about the film and indicate where people might go.
[00:22:59]  I think this came out on the 30th of April, right?
[00:23:01]  Just my final question to you is that if you had, I don't know, A couple of hours alone with a young scientist, a young skeptical scientist.
[00:23:12]  I could talk to them at length about everything that you've learned and studies.
[00:23:17]  What would be the one error, perhaps, or common misconception?
[00:23:24]  What would be the one misconception about intelligent design andor evolution that you would like to talk to him or her about?
[00:23:34]  Yeah.
[00:23:34]  So, and there's quite a few people like this.
[00:23:37]  And I do try, I try to engage in these conversations.
[00:23:42]  Today, it would be someone who's learned things from YouTube and ChatGPT and has kind of a sort of generic understanding and probably is tempted to dismiss the intelligent design movement because it's motivated by religious sentiments.
[00:24:03]  So there's a religious one would think by consuming this kind of information that there's a religious agenda behind intelligent design.
[00:24:13]  The first conversation I would want to have, and we could spend A bit of time of our two hours on this is really everyone has a worldview, and a worldview brings a bias.
[00:24:25]  And it's not, this is not a Christian thing, this is a human thing.
[00:24:28]  We all have a way of viewing reality, and we all have a commitment, some degree of commitment to that way of viewing reality.
[00:24:37]  And therefore, something that challenges our view of reality is always resisted by humans to some degree.
[00:24:42]  So, part of the conversation would be you got that, and I've got that.
[00:24:46]  That's not a Christian thing, that is a human thing.
[00:24:49]  And once that's understood, I would start to try to show that it is possible for entire communities of highly educated human beings to have something completely wrong.
[00:25:01]  And it's because humans follow the crowd.
[00:25:04]  And so, can there be a theory that is completely wrong and always has been completely wrong that becomes adopted and becomes a standard way of thinking in an entire field populated with PhD scientists?
[00:25:17]  The answer is yes, it can, because humans are political beings.
[00:25:24]  We are prone to groupthink.
[00:25:26]  We are concerned about the truth, but we're also concerned about our own career progression, about fitting in, about power, about wealth.
[00:25:37]  And it's in that context that you can have an entire field go in the wrong direction for an arbitrarily long length of time.
[00:25:46]  And then I start talking specifics to say, no, actually, Darwin's theory is a failed theory.
[00:25:52]  And there are very few people who have the backbone to admit it.
[00:25:56]  But even the smart people who are not.
[00:25:58]  Favoring intelligent design, know that this theory has failed, and they're the ones that you don't see defending it.
[00:26:04]  Um, but they don't promote intelligent design.
[00:26:08]  Um, Dr. Axel, that's all we've got time for.
[00:26:11]  Where do people go to see the film, The Story of Everything?
[00:26:15]  It's still out in theaters, uh, so it's made it into a second week.
[00:26:19]  So check, go to the story of everything.film and do a search for theaters near you.
[00:26:26]  It's still out, and uh, obviously, after it's done with theaters, we'll be able to see it as a streaming film as well.
[00:26:34]  And I'd very strongly recommend folks go to Amazon and get a copy of Dr. Axe's Undeniable How Biology Confirms Our Intuition That Life Is Design.
[00:26:45]  Dr. Axe, thanks very much indeed for coming on the show.

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[00:28:03]  It's a privilege to be here on the war room, first of all, talking from Zagreb, Croatia.
[00:28:09]  Yeah, so I run one of the biggest conservative organizations in the country called Vigilare or Vigilare.
[00:28:16]  And together with our partners, Ordo Juris Croatia and the Heritage Foundation from the United States, we had a conservative conference a couple of weeks ago called Tradfest, as you can see there on the screen.
[00:28:31]  The fall of liberalism and the reemergence of Christian nations.
[00:28:35]  So it was great fun just to get just conservatives in Croatia.
[00:28:39]  Now, don't forget, this is run by the civil society.
[00:28:43]  This is civil society pushing conservatism, right wing values, Christian values.
[00:28:50]  We're very unapologetic in talking about and saying that we are Christian.
[00:28:54]  We're very proud of that and that we want Croatia to remain a Christian nation.
[00:28:59]  Some of your viewers might know I mean, Croatia is a relatively small country, it's very well known for its tourism.
[00:29:06]  But if you look at the history, you know, we were known as the anti morale Christianitatis, which means the bulwark of Christianity.
[00:29:14]  And we were given that.
[00:29:15]  Grand title in 1519.
[00:29:18]  So we have this fighting spirit within us, which was to a certain extent expunged by the communists after 1945.
[00:29:26]  But that fighting spirit has always remained, and we're bringing it back.
[00:29:30]  And we're taking the silent majority in Croatia, which is quite conservative, and we're saying, listen, we need to defend our identity, our history, our Christian values, our Christian roots.
[00:29:43]  And, you know, we need to tell the politicians what we want, not that the politicians tell us what.
[00:29:49]  Should be done.
[00:29:50]  You know, we have a so called conservative government.
[00:29:53]  We have a soft conservative government, you know, in the line of, you know, the Christian democratic kind of parties in Europe and so forth.
[00:30:02]  So they're okay, but as you might know, they're very pro Brussels and they're very, very Brussels and they're only EU.
[00:30:09]  So, you know, we're trying to change that.
[00:30:11]  We're saying we have a lot of friends in America.
[00:30:14]  We want to get on this so called Trump wave, and the whole paradigm in the world has changed, and we want Croatia to be part of that.
[00:30:21]  And I think.
[00:30:22]  Croatia now is becoming one of the new hubs of conservatism, especially in East and Central Europe, especially if I dare say, my Hungarian friends will probably get angry, but the fall of conservatism in Hungary.
[00:30:38]  So we had a friend from Prime Minister Orban's office.
[00:30:42]  He was at the conference as well.
[00:30:44]  So we're bringing in all of our friends from Poland, from Hungary, from the United States.
[00:30:49]  And we want to offer something new in Europe.
[00:30:54]  Vincent, I'm going to just after the ad read in a few moments, I want to talk a little bit about Croatia and its Catholic identity with regard to something that's going to be very important to the war in Posse, which is the illegal third world invasion right across continental Europe, an existential crisis.
[00:31:15]  But you mentioned the Trump wave, you mentioned the presence of President Trump.
[00:31:21]  Tell me, how is his presence on the international scene?
[00:31:25]  Making a difference, I hope one would hope a positive difference to the fight in Croatia beyond the merely performative sort of Christian democracy that you're mentioning, but the actual real substance of faith in Jesus Christ.
[00:31:41]  How is his presence leading the most culturally, economically, militarily powerful nation helping your fight in Croatia?
[00:31:53]  Well, I think the most important thing is that, you know, we've all been in these culture wars for.
[00:31:59]  A long time.
[00:32:00]  And before we were fighting against the political incorrectness.
[00:32:05]  Now, with the whole Trump effect, we're seeing that culture is changing and it is changing for the better.
[00:32:15]  And as I said, I mean, we can unapologetically be Christian.
[00:32:21]  And with this Christian civilization, we can really, really change things.
[00:32:25]  Now, the Trump effect is, I think, in the In the main way, it's quite simply garnering, I mean, giving people hope that they need to rise up, they need to talk, and that they need to defend the interests of their country first and foremost.
[00:32:43]  I think that's one of the things that Trump is showing.
[00:32:46]  Look to the interests of your country, but at the same time, we can develop very good relations with other countries who have a similar cultural background.
[00:32:56]  I mean, this was the greatness of Europe, this was the greatness of Christendom, and we actually.
[00:33:02]  Believe that this is actually coming back.
[00:33:04]  And this is what we're fighting for in Croatia, that this Christian identity is maintained.
[00:33:12]  And there have been a couple of things, events happening in Croatia.
[00:33:17]  I don't know if you know, for example, last year in summer, the biggest rock concert in human history took place in Zagreb by a singer called Thompson.
[00:33:28]  There were half a million people there.
[00:33:31]  And there were Christian symbols.
[00:33:33]  There was even a bishop who prayed there.
[00:33:35]  And by the way, I was there.
[00:33:38]  I'm 57.
[00:33:38]  I was one of the old fellows there.
[00:33:41]  Most of them were Gen Z young people listening to rock music, praying.
[00:33:47]  And there was a drone, there was a beautiful drone show with the cross and the Virgin Mary and so forth.
[00:33:53]  So I think what's happening is that conservatism is capturing the imagination of the young people.
[00:33:59]  And the left in Croatia has gone ballistic.
[00:34:03]  Why?
[00:34:03]  Because all the sociological studies are showing that.
[00:34:07]  The young generation, the Gen Z, are conservative like their grandparents.
[00:34:13]  So, and we've captured the young people, and that's why they're so much on the attack.
[00:34:19]  So, you know, we're leading the offensive, so to speak.
[00:34:23]  We cover this every Wednesday evening.
[00:34:26]  We have a show, a regular show, where we discuss exactly what you're mentioning, how this revival that is taking place amongst Gen Z and guys as well, right?
[00:34:38]  Men, basically, young men, which is quite remarkable.
[00:34:44]  It's quite remarkable what's happening.
[00:34:47]  And I don't think, sort of five, 10 years ago, anyone would have predicted this.
[00:34:51]  But there's a difference.
[00:34:52]  You say conservative, like their grandparents.
[00:34:55]  Grandparents had a default setting towards participation, going to church on Sunday, very much part of the cultural identity.
[00:35:08]  What's going on now is, yes, I mean, the values are the same, but the whole approach is absolutely different.
[00:35:16]  Because now, if you're a young guy, if you're a 20 year old Gen Z guy, and you're doing.
[00:35:21]  Shoots on social media talking about your faith, your newly discovered faith.
[00:35:27]  The difference between now and 60, 70 years ago is that people have grown up now not as part of that culture, but as the culture is overwhelmingly secular and to some degree intolerant of Christianity.
[00:35:40]  And people have got over that and they're ready to fight, which, even though it's numerically a lot smaller, I actually have a lot of faith and confidence in what's taking place.
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=== Catholic Identity in Bosnia (09:16) ===

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[00:38:54]  Back now to Vincent Battarella.
[00:38:56]  Just let me ask you this.
[00:38:57]  When I was a few years ago when I worked in the European Parliament, two countries were particularly known for being Catholic.
[00:39:05]  There was the Catholic identity country, and if we needed something doing that involved that, we'd go to the Polish.
[00:39:13]  But if you really wanted the fighters who rolled up their sleeves and wanted to get down in the fistfight, let's go to the Croats.
[00:39:23]  No, no, it's absolutely true.
[00:39:27]  The Catholic sense of identity in Croatia is something to behold.
[00:39:33]  And, folks, if you're ever thinking about coming to Europe for crossing the Atlantic and coming to Europe on holidays, do look at Croatia.
[00:39:40]  Absolutely astonishingly, staggeringly beautiful country.
[00:39:45]  Vincent, though, tell me because the issue here that is going to be of obsessive interest to the war imposter is how are we, folks in Europe, dealing with this illegal.
[00:39:59]  Third world invasion taking place.
[00:40:03]  And really, one of the consequences that we have to deal with, not so much in the United States, but here in continental Europe, is the figure of the Pope, Pope Leo, his unlamented predecessor, Pope Francis before him, big drivers of the invasion.
[00:40:24]  How does Croatia balance its Catholicism?
[00:40:30]  On the one hand, and its desire to preserve its national identity, its Christian Catholic identity, on the one hand, with the rather more unusual necessity of having to publicly resist and oppose the Pope who's driving that invasion?
[00:40:53]  Well, first of all, I have to say that in Croatia, the whole issue of migrants is not.
[00:41:00]  That's important.
[00:41:03]  We're not in their main roots.
[00:41:05]  Although, having said that, we do have over between 100 and 150,000 foreign workers now working in a country of 4 million.
[00:41:16]  And we do have these leftist elites who are talking about the GDP and the GNP and whatever, that we need to have more foreign workers.
[00:41:26]  And it's usually these guys, we actually call it that it's not so much bringing foreign workers, it's almost like human trafficking.
[00:41:34]  Of bringing these people in, especially from Nepal, from Bangladesh.
[00:41:38]  And a lot of us here are asking, okay, what's going on?
[00:41:40]  Do we actually need these workers?
[00:41:43]  And so there are now laws going through the Croatian parliament which do not allow their families to come and so forth.
[00:41:51]  So there is a pushback in society.
[00:41:56]  As in regards to the church, the church has a very good position in Croatian society because during communism, during the times of oppression, the church was with the people.
[00:42:06]  So, you know, they have a lot of social credit coming from the people.
[00:42:10]  And to tell you the truth, our church doesn't really talk too much about, you know, these migrant issues.
[00:42:16]  Having said that, there's another part of the Croatian nation which I'd like to talk about now.
[00:42:21]  And that's the Croats that live in Bosnia-Herzegovina.
[00:42:23]  And we had at the TradFest, this is connected a little bit to what just, because, you know, we know that most of the migrants which are coming into Europe are from Muslim countries.
[00:42:35]  For us, there is a greater problem that in the heart of Europe, in a country right next door to Croatia called Bosnia Herzegovina, we have a Bosniak Muslim elite which wants to spread Islam.
[00:42:47]  And at Tradfirst, we had the Cardinal Emeritus Vink Opulic.
[00:42:52]  Now, that cardinal is the cardinal that stood next to Pope Leo.
[00:42:56]  There's this famous picture of Pope Leo, and the cardinal's he's a smiling cardinal.
[00:43:01]  He was in Sarajevo for the duration of the whole war, never left.
[00:43:06]  He's a great hero.
[00:43:07]  He's a great man.
[00:43:08]  He's a humble man, a real Catholic.
[00:43:10]  Anyway, he was at the TradFest and he was saying because the Croatians are being maligned in Bosnia Herzegovina, amongst other things, we are seeking a third Croat entity.
[00:43:21]  This is one of the main topics of the TradFest.
[00:43:23]  And, you know, Zagreb and Croatia is a Western Christian civilized country.
[00:43:30]  We were shocked by the media lynch coming from political Sarajevo, from the Bosnian Muslims.
[00:43:39]  Absolutely attacking the cardinal.
[00:43:41]  I mean, this has not happened in continental Europe that a Catholic cardinal is being attacked by an Islamic elite, by media, politicians, and even one politician saw us that the cardinal be brought in for questioning for anti state activities.
[00:44:00]  So, you know, you want to talk about migrants.
[00:44:02]  We can talk about, you know, the Bosniak Muslims right next door who are causing problems with the Croat Catholics and the Serbian Orthodox as well.
[00:44:11]  So, what we would like, especially with our American friends and with the Trump administration, is to focus a little bit more onto Bosnia and, you know, solve the situation.
[00:44:21]  It is solvable.
[00:44:22]  This is something which, which, which, which Trump, Vice President Vance, Secretary Rubio, they can, they can resolve this.
[00:44:29]  They can quite easily, through, you know, different procedures, just seek the creation of a third Croat entity, which will protect the Catholic Croats there and which will also, Protect Bosnia Herzegovina because you know, then the Croats will have their rights and Serbs will have their rights and the Bosnian Muslims will also have their rights.
[00:44:50]  But as it stands now, this is not good and that needs to be fixed.
[00:44:55]  It's interesting that you've had such a different experience of the Catholic hierarchy in Croatia.
[00:45:03]  Just there, you are on the other side of the Adriatic from Italy, so close in one sense.
[00:45:08]  But your experience because the Italian hierarchy, the episcopacy here in Italy, has a very different influence. on politics here.
[00:45:18]  Have you made any approach?
[00:45:21]  Has any approach been made to the American administration for help in that direction?
[00:45:28]  For leadership in that direction?
[00:45:30]  Sure.
[00:45:31]  Indirectly, there have been contacts, and we expect that there will be more intensive contacts in the next few months.
[00:45:41]  Because as Catholic Croats living in Croatia, we're not going to watch our Our people in Bosnia-Herzegovina are being trodden on by certain Islamist elites in that country.
[00:45:59]  So, yes, we have and we will continue to make steps towards the Trump administration.
[00:46:06]  And we call upon President Trump, who has described himself as being the defender of Christians around the world.
[00:46:13]  And we've seen what he's done in Nigeria.
[00:46:16]  We call upon President Trump to also do the same.
[00:46:20]  For Croat Catholics in Bosnia Herzegovina as well, to take the lead, to take the lead and to resolve it.
[00:46:28]  Just give me 30 seconds because time is almost out.
[00:46:35]  You're clearly, how do I say this?
[00:46:38]  You're ethnically Croatian, but you grew up in Australia, right?
[00:46:43]  Too right, mate.
[00:46:44]  Yep.
[00:46:45]  Whereabouts in Australia?
[00:46:47]  In Sydney, in Sydney, in Sydney, Australia.
[00:46:50]  I was in Sydney a couple of months ago in February for the Advanced Australia guys for Conversation.
[00:46:58]  I was blown away by how beautiful Sydney was.
[00:47:03]  Absolutely great, fantastic, fantastic city.
[00:47:07]  Great sense of spirit and life.
[00:47:09]  Okay, Vincent Bartorella, thanks for coming on the War Room.
[00:47:12]  Where do people go on social media, perhaps to support Vigilare and your work upholding Christian identity in Croatia?
[00:47:21]  Sure, it's just vigilare.hr or vigilare.org.

=== Great Spirit of Sydney (00:32) ===

[00:47:28]  So that's where they go.
[00:47:30]  That's it.
[00:47:31]  The vigilare.hr.
[00:47:34]  And that's the Trendfest.
[00:47:35]  We have all the talks there as well.
[00:47:39]  Great talks from American friends, Hungarian friends, Polish friends, and from Croatia.
[00:47:45]  So you can see everything there.
[00:47:47]  And that's our website, yes.
[00:47:50]  That's it.
[00:47:51]  Thanks very much for coming on the Worm.
[00:47:53]  Folks, Steve will be back at 10 a.m. tomorrow.
[00:47:55]  My thanks to Kyle in Ville Anoka's voice in Denver and to Vittorio Santifranco.