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April 29, 2026 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 5336: Democrats Relentless Attack On Hegseth; Somali Fraud Is Just The Beginning

James Comey faces federal charges over an Instagram post, while Pete Hegseth withstands Democratic attacks on troop deployments and defends the $25 billion cost of Operation Epic Fury against Iran. Jerome Powell remains a Fed governor after charge dismissals, and Ambassador Carla Sands argues Democrats target officials to block Trump's reindustrialization agenda. The episode highlights H-1B visa fraud allegations and Virginia's stalled election certification due to data discrepancies, suggesting that relentless political warfare and legal chaos threaten democratic stability and national security. [Automatically generated summary]

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Participants
Main
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carla sands
07:14
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erin marie joyce
05:59
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steve bannon
r 10:58
Appearances
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bill keating
rep/d 00:30
b
boris sanchez
cnn 00:32
d
donald j trump
admin 02:03
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jill tokuda
rep/d 00:56
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katelyn polantz
cnn 01:57
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neil mccabe
redstate 02:37
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pat ryan
rep/d 00:31
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pete hegseth
admin 02:18
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ro khanna
rep/d 01:47
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steve stern
01:41
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trevor comstock
01:38
Clips
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adam smith
rep/d 00:09
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brianna keilar
cnn 00:11
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clay higgins
rep/r 00:11
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jay hurst
00:16
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jerome powell
00:20
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kaitlan collins
cnn 00:12
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salud carbajal
rep/d 00:12
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Speaker Time Text
Mob Slang and Betrayal 00:03:24
salud carbajal
Good show, Steve.
unidentified
Good to see you.
salud carbajal
We'll see you in the morning, perhaps.
steve bannon
Thank you, brother.
We'll see you in the morning show.
We've got an amazing cold open with all this news breaking this afternoon.
Let's go ahead and let it rip.
boris sanchez
Breaking news to CNN.
Former FBI Director James Comey appearing in federal court for the first time since getting indicted again by the Justice Department.
Prosecutors are charging him with a new set of crimes because of a social media post they say threatened President Trump.
Officials are pointing to this photo that Comey posted on Instagram last year showing seashells on a beach spelling out 8647.
Prosecutors say that is a clear threat since Trump is the 47th president.
86 can refer to getting rid of something.
Comey says he is innocent.
President Trump does not agree.
donald j trump
They know 86.
You know what 86 is?
It's a mob term for kill him.
You know?
You ever see the movies?
86 him.
The mobster says to one of his wonderful associates, 86 him.
That means kill him.
I think of it as a mob term.
People think of it as something having to do with disappearing, but the mob uses that term to say when they want to kill somebody, they say 86, the son of a gun.
unidentified
I want to go back to the Supreme Court ruling on the Voting Rights Act.
I know you said you haven't seen it.
donald j trump
When did it come out just now?
unidentified
No, it came out this morning, but basically very much narrows the Voting Rights Act.
donald j trump
Would you consider it a win for a Republican?
unidentified
Win for Republicans.
I love it.
But my question.
donald j trump
This is a very good.
We can end this news conference right here.
I want to read it.
unidentified
My question to you, Mr. President, is that some Republican governors.
Have not responded in terms of what they're going to do.
I guess early voting, for example, in Louisiana.
donald j trump
Republican governors, what?
unidentified
Republican governors.
donald j trump
What about it?
unidentified
Early voting begins Saturday there, for instance.
Should they redraw the map in the next couple of weeks?
I would.
donald j trump
I mean, it depends.
I mean, some states don't need to redraw, and some do.
I mean, I know what the concept of the world is, I just haven't seen the result.
kaitlan collins
James Comey was in court.
He self surrendered.
He's now in charge a second time, this time over a social media post with seashells that said 86 47.
Do you really think that he was endangering your life or threatening your life with that movie?
donald j trump
Well, if anybody knows anything about crime, they know 86.
You know what 86 is?
It's a mob term for kill him.
You know?
You ever see the movies?
86 him.
The mobster says to one of his wonderful associates, 86 him.
That means kill him.
I think of it as a mob term.
People think of it as something having to do with disappearing, but the mob uses that term to say when they want to kill somebody, they say, 86, the son of a gun.
I'm trying to keep the language nice and clear.
They don't use that term, son of a gun.
They use another term.
But that's a mob term for kill him.
unidentified
Yeah.
kaitlan collins
But do you really think your life was in danger?
donald j trump
Probably, I don't know.
Based on what I'm seeing out there, yeah.
The people like Comey have created tremendous danger, I think, for politicians and others.
Comey is a dirty cop.
He's a very dirty cop.
He cheated on the elections.
He tried to help.
Hillary Clinton, as you know, he dismissed a lot of things that he should have proceeded with.
I wasn't involved, but he should have proceeded with.
No, he's a dirty cop.
The Cost to Americans 00:03:35
salud carbajal
Mr. Hegseth, I stand by what I said last time you were here.
You were incompetent then.
You're incompetent now.
And you're the gift that keeps on giving when it comes to incompetence.
With that, Mr. Chairman, I yield back.
ro khanna
Gentlemen, yield back.
pete hegseth
Chair, not rather than Madam, doing good.
ro khanna
Gentlemen, because you said you won't get us into bad wars.
You said you wouldn't, you would bring down the prices.
You know what I'm sad for?
I'm sad for all the people who voted for Trump.
I'm sad for them because you betrayed them.
You betrayed a lot of that MAGA base.
And you know who knows that?
JD Vance knows that.
Gentlemen, time has expired.
The chair now recognizes the gentleman from Nebraska.
How much did it cost American taxpayers in terms of the strike to the Iranian school where kids were killed?
Do you have that number in terms of the missiles we used?
pete hegseth
As I have said, that unfortunate situation remains under investigation.
You don't know how much it will cost, but I wouldn't tie a cost to that, to anything.
ro khanna
It is a reasonable question, no, sir?
I mean, our taxpayer money was going there.
Do you know how much it will cost Americans in terms of their increased cost in gas and food over the next year because of the Iran war?
pete hegseth
I would simply ask you what the cost is of an Iranian nuclear bomb.
ro khanna
I'm going to give you that opportunity.
pete hegseth
I would simply ask you what the.
You're playing gotcha questions about domestic things.
unidentified
I'm not.
ro khanna
You're saying it's a gotcha question to ask what it's going to be in terms of the increased cost of gas and food.
pete hegseth
Why won't you answer what it costs to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear bomb?
ro khanna
I can give you that, sir.
But let me.
What would it cost?
pete hegseth
What would you pay to ensure Iran doesn't get a nuclear bomb?
ro khanna
What would you pay?
I reclaim my time.
Do you not know?
You had no one do the analysis of what the increased cost of gas and food on the American people are going to be?
pete hegseth
What is the cost of Iran holding that straight at issue with nuclear weapons?
ro khanna
It's $631 billion, which means it's an increase of $5,000 a year for American households.
Now, let me give you this point.
You're saying that your operation is preventing a nuclear Iran.
Will you acknowledge that there is an economic cost to the American people for doing what you believe is necessary to make Iran denuclear?
Will you acknowledge the economic cost?
pete hegseth
We have an incredible economic team that's managing this better than.
What the previous administration did for our economy?
What the previous administration did for the economy?
ro khanna
You don't even know what the.
You know what's upsetting?
I recently went to COVID?
pete hegseth
And you're going to lecture this administration about the economy?
ro khanna
You know what is upsetting?
pete hegseth
Incredible.
ro khanna
You didn't even do the analysis on how much it's costing the American people.
It's one thing if you said, okay, it cost the American people $5,000, but we think it's worth it.
That's what we've done in World War II and other wars.
Here's what it costs.
You've got to pay for it.
You don't even know what the average American is paying.
You don't know what we paid.
In terms of the missiles that hit the Iranian school, you don't know what we're paying in terms of gas, you don't know what we're paying in terms of food.
Your 25 billion number is totally off.
It's the incompetence.
It's the incompetence.
bill keating
They hurt our military and they hurt our standing internationally, and they're hurting our standard here at home.
I hope that we can move forward.
I hope we can review whether these are justified because I found no justification.
We were given classified information on the second strike.
I can't discuss it.
But I must tell you, it's the most convoluted bull I ever heard in my life.
This should be public.
This is our honor.
This is what it makes American a difference maker.
This is what we're proud of.
pete hegseth
It's an incredible array of false accusations.
bill keating
And I yield back every time.
unidentified
Gentleman yields back.
Unlawful Orders Alleged 00:02:46
brianna keilar
Fed Chair Jerome Powell says he will stay on the Federal Reserve Board as a governor once he leaves the chairmanship in mid May.
Powell noted that his decision comes after the Justice Department dropped the criminal case against him.
jerome powell
I'm encouraged by recent developments, and I'm watching the remaining steps in this process carefully.
After my term as chair ends on May 15, I will continue to serve as a governor for a period of time to be determined.
I plan to keep a low profile as a governor.
There's only ever one chair of the Federal Reserve Board.
When Kevin Walsh is confirmed and sworn in, he will be that chair.
unidentified
The United Arab Emirates, the UAE, they pulled out of OPEC.
What do you think about that?
donald j trump
I think it's great.
I mean, I think it's great.
Look, I know him very well, Muhammad, and very smart.
And he probably maybe wants to go his own way.
That's a good thing.
I think ultimately it's a good thing for getting the price of gas down, getting oil down, getting everything down.
They have it all.
He's a great leader, actually.
So, no, I'm okay.
They're having some problems in OPEC.
jill tokuda
All right.
Well, Secretary Hegseth, if President Trump ordered you to deploy troops to polling places during the midterm elections this fall, which would violate the law I just cited, would you implement his order, yes or no?
pete hegseth
What you're trying to insinuate is that the president would give unlawful orders and we would somehow.
Deploy troops as a result, and the evidence of our department is that we've worked alongside law enforcement very effectively for 15 months.
Los Angeles would have been on fire for the summer had we not come across the law.
jill tokuda
I humbly disagree with that, but this is not a hypothetical situation that I'm inferring on.
The type of voting places was 250 years ago.
We're talking 2020.
So if the president, again, I'm asking you, orders you to break election law, violate the Constitution and the law, would you follow the orders of the president?
Yes or no?
pete hegseth
The president, you like to insinuate that the president issued the order of the president.
jill tokuda
It's a simple question.
pete hegseth
It's a simple question.
jill tokuda
Who would you follow?
President or the Constitution.
pete hegseth
I will note that in 2024, troops were deployed to polling locations in 15 states.
2024, Joe Biden, troops deployed to polling locations in 15 states.
Explain that one to me.
jill tokuda
I am asking you a question now.
You seem to really like Joe Biden.
You've brought his name up more than many other topics today.
Answer the question.
Answer the question.
Who are you beholden to, Mr. Secretary?
The President or the Constitution?
Well, I very proudly serve this president, very proudly swear an oath that he's in the leg in Los Angeles.
He couldn't answer that either.
So I think our answer is very clear.
Obviously, you have taken a loathe of loyalty only to the president and not the people of this country.
Facing Perjury Charges 00:03:22
pete hegseth
For the commencement of the conflict, we put in maximum defensive posture we could.
pat ryan
It's a direct conflict.
pete hegseth
Is that what they said?
In this directing, can I speak or are you just going to monologue falsehoods all over the place?
pat ryan
It's not a falsehood.
pete hegseth
We moved 7,500 troops off the back of my town.
Stop.
unidentified
Stop.
pat ryan
Reclaiming my time.
pete hegseth
Because you yell doesn't make you right.
Just because you yell doesn't make you right.
pat ryan
I'm reclaiming my time on behalf of these survivors.
pete hegseth
You just said what they said is a falsehood.
There's a much larger picture at play here that included integrated air defenses, bunkers, moving people off the ex to ensure that they were not part of the target.
We moved those troops and all across the theater, thousands of troops off the ex, off of their bases, because we knew what Iran was going to try to strike.
And we knew there could be a tragic moment.
There could be a tragic moment where something could get through.
Of course, that's the consequence of conflict.
And we remember those six every single day.
pat ryan
I want to finish.
pete hegseth
Don't play games with.
pat ryan
I'm not playing games.
I want to finish with one more quote from a survivor of the attack.
And I'll put this on the record.
Telling the truth is important.
And we're not going to learn from these mistakes if we pretend these mistakes didn't happen.
Secretary Hagseth, those soldiers told the truth.
Those soldiers are braver than you are.
pete hegseth
I commend you.
pat ryan
They are asking for accountability.
They deserve accountability.
And I'm asking.
For the same, starting with you.
And as I said a year ago, you need to resign immediately.
pete hegseth
I commend those two.
pat ryan
I yield back.
katelyn polantz
It only took about five minutes to get through this hearing today.
It was an initial appearance against this new set of criminal charges.
Two charges, one including threatening the life of the president with that seashell post on Instagram a year ago.
There wasn't a pleading at this time for Comey.
He was just facing his charges for the first time in the Eastern District of Virginia court.
The case is going to move now to North Carolina.
But we got a little taste of what that might be like.
And guess what?
It's going to be a redux in some ways of the case Comey was putting on as his defense, like he did in the previous charges he faced, which were perjury counts.
That case was ultimately dismissed out of EDVA a couple months ago.
What his defense lawyers told the judge today is they're going to file a motion saying that the Justice Department has singled him out unfairly and illegally in prosecuting him this time.
They made that argument before, saying that the only reason he was facing perjury charges was because Donald Trump really hated him.
It ended up never getting ruled on because the case went away before that.
But that is the plan again.
That motion will come back into play here.
There's also an indication that Comey's team wants to make sure the Justice Department and the administration, the Trump administration, protects all of their records.
There's been some changes legally that the Justice Department has made about how they maintain presidential records.
We could see some really interesting arguments over that as Comey fights this case.
But this is going to be a different court ultimately, even though this court he was in today is one he had been in before.
They even said at one point when the Justice Department spoke up and said, You know, we want to put some bail terms on him to release him under bail conditions.
And the judge said, We don't need that.
Rethinking NATO Allies 00:08:41
katelyn polantz
We've already been here before.
But Eastern District of North Carolina, New Bern, North Carolina, that courthouse, a very different bench, a very different set of judges, and potentially a very different jury pool if it gets to that.
jay hurst
Thank you for that question.
So, approximately at this day, we're spending about $25 billion on Operation Epic Fury.
Most of that is in munitions.
There's part of that that is obviously OM and equipment replacement.
We will formulate a supplemental through the White House that will come to Congress once we have a full assessment of the cost of the conflict.
adam smith
So you're saying the full cost at this point is $25 billion?
jay hurst
Yeah, that's our estimate for the cost.
unidentified
Okay.
adam smith
Interesting, because I'm glad you answered that question, because we've been asking for a hell of a long time, and no one's given us the number.
So if you could get those details over to us, that would be great.
clay higgins
A question about Iran, and I'll give you the final 30 seconds to answer.
Was Iran moving precipitously towards nuclear weapons capability, Mr. Secretary?
pete hegseth
Even after the obliteration of Midnight Hammer, what was clear is that the intention of Iran remained in the pursuit of nuclear weapons.
And as hard as they were hit by Israel, it created an opportunity to get rid of the conventional shield.
That's why we talked about missile production and the Navy and the defense industrial base to set them back from blackmailing the region and the world in pursuit of nuclear weapons because we understood how much they could continue to pursue them.
steve bannon
What a day for news.
Intense partisan warfare on Capitol Hill and throughout the rest of the country.
Ambassador Carla Sands joins us on the other side.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bann.
steve bannon
Okay, today was so intense.
We've asked Ambassador Carla Sands to join us.
Ambassador, you went through confirmation hearing.
You were with President Trump in the first term.
We had some pretty tough days there.
But this is getting more and more out of control.
You saw the White House Correspondents' Dinner with the assassination attempt.
And now today, you had a character assassination of Pete Hegseth.
There are lots of issues to ask about.
The war in Iran.
There's a lot of issues about the strategy, where we are, the Straits of Hormuz, the blockade, all of that.
That's not what you got today.
This was full on assault.
As much as the Republicans tried to provide some cover, they just kind of folded because the Democrats went after Pete.
I really admire Pete for just sitting there and taking it for hour after hour.
Your thoughts, ma'am?
carla sands
He gave it to Steve.
He gave it.
I do admire him.
And there's a lack of civility.
When I went through, There was a bipartisan civility.
Nobody attacked me.
Nobody attacked anyone else on my panel.
And I think it was less contentious.
Here's the problem now they don't have the Russia, Russia, Russia hoax collusion stuff to go after and stop his agenda.
So President Trump has rolled out this magnificent agenda, working to bring down prices for Americans, working to make us more secure, to get our trade more reciprocal and fair, re industrialize us, put us on the edge of quantum and AI so that China doesn't win.
And he's reordering the global order, and the Democrats can't stand it because everything he's doing is great.
He's making the world safer for us.
And so they can't stop him.
So, what are they going to do?
They're just going to attack his soldiers.
And certainly, Pete Hegseth is front and center as one of the absolute important people in the Trump administration as far as these wars and he's executing, but also the ending of wars.
steve bannon
Ambassador, with our troops being in harm's way today, you didn't really get a full picture because he was constantly attacked.
I mean, how do we either rise above that or work around it, ma'am?
carla sands
Well, I think that President Trump has done everything he can to bring back civility.
He's held out his hand to enemies and friends alike.
He went to the dinner, and that is in the lion's den because most of the press, about 93%, is negative coverage.
So they really don't want to help President Trump.
His agenda.
And many of them are leading on that leftist Democrat really takeover, which is more like communism in the U.S. People don't understand.
These people are intent on reordering our country and not letting us have the freedoms that we enjoy.
If you just think if Kamala Harris had won this last election, what our country would be like, well, that's what they want.
That's their plan for us.
So President Trump needs to win this midterm.
It's going to be really tough because just historically, it's tough to win when you're the president in that.
First midterm.
But President Trump needs to.
Otherwise, we're going to have impeachments for two years.
And that's going to make it harder for him to fulfill his agenda.
And so I hope that people will work really, really hard and double down to hold the House and to hold the House and the Senate.
The House is going to be the hard one.
But because of our magnificent Supreme Court, which is ruling constitutionally and not unconstitutionally, we now have a better chance of holding the House if some of these state houses will get busy and make sure that they have.
Maps that are conducive to equal representation, not race based representation.
steve bannon
No, the DEI gerrymandering getting thrown out by the Supreme Court in a day.
Alabama's attorney general came out.
We'll be on top of that again, like we were this morning.
Tomorrow morning, Ambassador Sands talking about the key thing you've got to get these special sessions called, like we just had this great special session in Florida.
Ambassador, you know a lot about NATO.
You were one of President Trump's top advisors in the first term as an ambassador.
Your assessment of the trip the king made, comments he made, and talking about the unity we've had and how we've worked together.
But also NATO's performance in the Iran war, ma'am.
carla sands
Yeah, I mean, the king was here definitely projecting soft power from Great Britain to the U.S.
And we all love the U.K. because many of us have ancestors that come from there.
I'm mostly Scottish, so I have a very great fondness also for the U.K.
But the fact is that Great Britain has not done a good job with NATO.
They have a very Poor Navy.
They couldn't even send a ship to help us out in the Hormuz when they finally did offer the ship broke down.
And they couldn't prosecute the Falklands War today because they're in such poor condition.
They have to spend more and they're throttling their economy with these bad policies, especially bad energy policies.
And just in the EU writ large, they have bad energy policies and way too much regulation.
So we're losing our greatest trading partner.
NATO, it's not just NATO.
We're also a huge trading block, almost $2 trillion a year.
And that's the really biggest trading block in the world.
And we need to keep it.
But like President Trump's national security strategy late last year called out, we're losing them, not just because of demographics, but bad policy.
And so King Charles was here to patch things up.
I do feel better about the relationship because of his great visit.
And it's a full court press.
And America is shining in our 250th anniversary year.
But the fact is that It doesn't change that Kirsten Armour is in charge of the UK and that they are not helping us and didn't even let us use the Diego Garcia base during this initial Iran effort.
And so many other European allies, NATO allies, closed their airspace to us.
So I think that NATO is being rethought for real allies and not just pretend allies so that we give them Article 5 protection.
steve bannon
Yesterday, the FBI, Kash Patel, and the DOJ, I think it was 22 warrants.
On these quote unquote daycare centers in Minneapolis run by the Somalians or different Somalian groups.
STEM Graduate Displacement 00:02:41
steve bannon
You had a piece up in the Daily Caller from the Daily Caller Foundation that talked about that's not the only fraud.
And it was a magnificent piece about H 1B visas.
We talked about it yesterday in the show and pushed it out to make sure everybody could read it.
Can you walk us, take a minute or two, and walk us through this?
Because it's one of the most profound pieces I've seen in a long time about the issues we face in front of us about legal immigration.
carla sands
Yeah, it's so, yeah, but there's so much fraud, Steve.
It may be legal immigration, but these H 1B visas or the EB2s, where it's, you know, if they're going to offer an extraordinary benefit to the United States, so they're having people, they're paying people to write papers for them so they qualify for this.
This is cheating.
They're not writing the paper themselves, they're hiring talent for that.
Or they fake degrees.
Like there was an article in the China morning, the Daily Morning Post saying that there were 36,000.
Fake degrees sold for under $5,000 to people that wanted to come to the U.S.
And American employers were accepting these fake degrees.
And that's tragic because what's happening is American STEM graduates are being hired at a much lower rate than foreign STEM graduates.
It's at 90% of the new hires since COVID have been foreign born, not U.S. born citizens.
And so President Trump is trying to make America great again, and he wants American citizens to have good paying jobs.
It's part of his full court press, right?
Reindustrialized, but STEM graduates deserve to have good jobs too.
It's medical, it's tech, it's engineers.
In fact, some of the universities, I'll just name a few Emory, Indiana, Stanford, they're offering jobs available only to H 1B employees.
In other words, their own graduates don't even qualify if they're American born.
This has to stop, especially companies or universities that are getting taxpayer dollars.
They can't prefer foreigners to U.S. born citizens.
These young people.
Are getting hired, even if they go to the same university as a foreign born person, they're getting hired at a lower rate than the foreigners.
And that even goes for medical doctors.
It is unacceptable.
And so I hope that people will be aware of this and make sure that they're advocating for American citizens to get these jobs.
steve bannon
Eli Crane and people in the House have initiated with Rosemary Jenks, other folks, a new bill addressing H 1Bs, which is pretty, it doesn't get rid of the entire program, but it's pretty.
Pretty dramatic about reforms.
Voting Numbers Concerns 00:16:03
steve bannon
What would be your advice?
I know President Trump relies upon you.
What would be your advice to President Trump about the H 1B visas?
carla sands
Well, you know, he has a lot of pressure from the tech bros that are really involved in his administration.
So it's going to be hard for him to make this change.
So I think it probably has to come from the Congress making it.
In fact, there is legislation from a Democrat senator from Arizona.
He's saying make American call centers great again.
He's saying if a company Gets grant money from the U.S. government or any kind of support from the U.S. government, they should have to hire American call center employees.
Can you imagine how many stay at home moms raising kids would love to work at home and be a call center from her home desk rather than having somebody from, say, India answering that phone?
That's making America great again.
steve bannon
Ambassador Sands, where do people get you on social media?
Because I tell you, I think the administration needs you now more than ever.
To get back on board because there's a couple of billets I think you could fill and really help the president.
So, where do people keep up with you?
unidentified
Steve, thanks.
carla sands
I'm on Twitter X mostly, and then I repost a little bit on things like Instagram and Facebook.
But mostly, I think a lot of people are communicating really clearly the news breaks on X. Thanks.
steve bannon
Thank you, man.
unidentified
Appreciate you.
steve bannon
Ambassador Sands.
unidentified
Great to be with you.
steve bannon
What a day.
What a day.
We're going to go to the White House next.
Our own Neil McCabe, he was following, he was up on Capitol Hill and following the Pete Hegseth.
You know, Pete sometimes, as we've said when we've done the analysis of the live of his press conferences, maybe sometimes gets a little over his skis, but what he did today was magnificent.
He stood in the breach for hour after hour and took incoming.
These Democrats, they're not interested in trying to be an assistance in running the country.
What they are trying to do is just destroy people.
And they went all out today to destroy Pete Hegseth.
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unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bann.
steve bannon
Neil McCabe, as a veteran, give me your assessment of Pete Hexas today.
The Democrats, that was off the chain.
There's one thing to ask probing questions, another thing to want information and understand they come at this politically from a different angle of attack.
But that's not what this was about today.
This is about personal destruction, just attack, attack, attack.
Pete couldn't have a chance to get any information out before he was attacked again.
You were up there, sir.
Your assessment.
neil mccabe
Yeah, Pete Hegseth is when he deployed, he wasn't Bob on the Fob.
I mean, he deployed with Rakasan.
He was a kinetic leader, and you saw that today.
He didn't back down.
He was attacking.
He was thrusting.
He was catching arrows, something you really didn't see in the first term.
You didn't see a lot of cabinet officers catching arrows for President Trump, and he did not relent.
And so it was fantastic.
And like you said before, the Democrats were just going after him and after him.
And the Republicans, I don't want to say they gave up, but.
The Republicans were asking questions like, well, what about the shipping?
And what about, you know, Ron Jackson from Texas is saying, what about the special operations budget?
They were actually, you know, they're asking practical questions about their districts and about their priorities.
They didn't seem to understand there was something meta going on, that this was a fight for the soul of this War Department.
unidentified
Yeah.
steve bannon
You've nailed it right there.
This is what I was trying to say earlier, but you did a better job of articulating.
The Republicans were asking, Good questions in normal times.
But this is my point about controlled opposition.
These are not normal times, and you only had to see Pete Hex's testimony today in front of the House.
This is, you see political warfare on one side, and you see kind of the good government guys on the other.
It's just, people should have come in more and more and defended Pete and started calling out the opposite members.
There should have been a much more confrontation up there.
And this is why Johnson, these guys just don't get it.
They don't get it.
And this is why.
It is a job to get grassroots to go out.
You know, we can hold the House.
I don't want to hear the doomers or the black pill guys.
We can hold the House, but it's going to take a massive grassroots effort to do that.
Obviously, there are some policies out there that the grassroots are not thrilled about, but also just the cut of the jib and the fighting spirit of the Republicans.
Today was like a tale of two cities.
They were in two different hearings.
The Republicans are asking good questions to get information.
And it was absolutely off the chain political warfare and character assassination of Pete Hegseth.
What is it going to take, Neil?
You saw it up there.
What is it going to take for the Republicans to understand what the game is here, what the game that we're playing?
neil mccabe
There has to be a cultural shift coming down from the Republican leadership.
I mean, as a native of Massachusetts, I saw Seth Moulton and you played Keating's clip, right?
These guys from Massachusetts, right?
They knew what to do.
They came in locked and cocked.
Like they were attacking full on in the hallways, completely packed out.
You had Code Pink out there.
I didn't see them in the hearing room, but in the hallway, they were harassing every single Republican when they went to the bathroom, when they went to the elevator.
It was like there was nothing, nothing to balance that out.
It's like the Democrats seem to understand that this is for real.
We're playing for blood.
I'm not sure what the Republicans thought.
I thought maybe they were playing four level battleship.
I'm not really sure, but it's a cultural change and it has to come from the top because, frankly, The House leadership maintains the same kind of culture that we had under Boehner, where as soon as something gets difficult, they just say, all right, let's just get off, dip this off the table and move on to something else.
steve bannon
No, 100%.
It's Boehner's mentality.
One more thing.
We didn't really get there are legitimate questions.
There's this Atlantic piece and others.
Looks like the administration is leaking on each other, but there are definitely questions about munitions, the rate of fire.
How much we have?
Are we field stripping East Asia, South Korea, Japan?
They're very real questions out there.
But in a situation like today, you can't get a straight answer.
Did you come away feeling that you had a better sense of where we are with this conflict in Iran?
neil mccabe
I was really keyed up to hear the emphasis on war production and getting the industrial base going.
$50 billion in new industrial facilities.
They talked about the munitions problem.
They said that the war production or the munitions production was too slow and too low.
And, you know, I completely agree.
And, you know, I'm well aware that the Army pre position stock in Kuwait was gutted and sent to Ukraine.
And that's been done at other APS facilities.
And so, you know, our warfighters, if they wanted to do a ground offensive, first they have to restock because everything that was being held in Kuwait and Jordan has been given away to Ukraine.
steve bannon
Neil McCabe, where do people get you on social media?
Good job up there today on Capitol Hill in this hearing.
Where do they go?
neil mccabe
Steve, they can find me on all the socials at Reporter McCabe.
Thanks for having me on, sir.
steve bannon
Neil, thank you so much.
Appreciate you.
Good job.
And Pete Hegseth, bravo Zulu today for taking that and taking it like a gentleman.
Aaron Joyce, I have a question for you.
You're the data person for the Commonwealth of Virginia and others.
Are they going to be able to certify the election in the Commonwealth, this proposition election or this amendment to their Constitution?
Is that going to be done by Friday, ma'am?
unidentified
Nope.
erin marie joyce
As of yesterday, Steve, thanks for having us on, by the way.
As of yesterday, according to the Supreme Court of Virginia, they declined to issue a stay of a Taswell Circuit Court judge's voiding of the entire election and it enjoined the Department of Elections and localities and you name it from certifying and redrawing maps.
Basically, said this election is void.
And all of that's being appealed up to the Supreme Court.
And the Attorney General, Jay Jones, had filed a motion saying, Could you let us just go ahead and draw the maps while this is being adjudicated and appealed?
And the Supreme Court said, No, we declined one sentence.
We declined to issue a stay.
So there is no certifying of the vote.
And that bodes very well for people who watched the appeals on Monday of the Republicans who were challenging how the majority Democrats at the assembly.
Sort of just ran through this constitutional amendment.
And so it bodes well, and people are kind of encouraged by it based on how the questioning went, and then how the judges basically said, no, we're going to keep the stay in place.
Because if they were thinking of lifting the injunction and letting the votes go through, they would have said, yeah, go ahead, get started.
But so that's what happened Tuesday, and we'll see what happens from there.
But frankly, from our standpoint as a data company that follows voter data and who qualifies to look at Virginia's voter list, The votes have been so off this time around.
And I'll go back to what I said the last time I was on your shows because this was so rushed.
The localities, 133 localities across Virginia, had about a week and a half, maybe two weeks to get ready.
Normally, they take about six months to get ready for an election.
They had two weeks to get ready for this election.
Now, granted, it was only one question, but they had to order ballots.
They had to test the machines.
They had to know who was voting.
They had to figure out who was going to work these elections.
So it was a scrambly mess.
And we've seen that in the voter data.
As we explained to you, the numbers are still off.
We've counted up all the localities and we've counted up all the precincts inside those localities, about thousands of precincts.
And the no votes are still off by about 30,000 and the yes votes are still off by about 60,000.
So there's just a lot of votes that have to be filtered out and figured out.
But as it stands now, Steve, it's looking like none of these votes will get counted, or at least not now, maybe at a later date.
steve bannon
Well, hang on a second, because I think they got a.
Somebody told me if it's not done by next Tuesday, this whole thing has to be postponed.
Of course, we've had major developments in Florida and we've had major developments at the Supreme Court.
But let me go back, because I know our audience's heads are blowing up right now.
You said to get prepared for this, you really needed six months.
And they did it in a week and a half or two weeks.
And that led to.
You're saying the vote count is not right on both the Republican and Democratic side, one by 30,000, the other by 60,000?
Is that correct?
erin marie joyce
That is correct.
So we took the Department of Elections' own summary data.
That's the data that they put out to the public on their website on election night.
It's in what's known as a JSON feed.
That's a geek talk for Java object notation, JavaScript object notation, JSON, J S O N is the acronym.
And that gives you the election night summary data.
They give you the numbers, and then they roll in the 45 days of early voting, which represents about a third of the total vote, a third of the 3 million or so votes that were cast or ballots that were cast.
And those numbers still don't add up.
John LaRoe, our executive director, he's a brilliant data scientist, does this as a volunteer.
He added up the yes votes between localities and the actual precincts in those localities.
Like Fairfax, for example, has over 200 voting precincts.
Richmond City, for example, has probably, I think, 85 different neighborhoods where you vote.
So each of those are a precinct.
And we see a 67,364 ballot difference in the yes votes between localities.
And precincts, and about a 29,930 ballot difference in the no votes.
So, our theory is that many of the localities just haven't figured out their votes yet, or they haven't uploaded into the feed that Virginia Department of Elections puts out to the public.
And that's in addition to the counts that keep going down from early voting that we still see since we discovered that Chesterfield had put an extra 70,000 votes in their count, which they later corrected.
So, my point is that this was one of the most rushed elections we've seen in years.
We've been doing this for about four years now as a nonprofit.
And we've never seen sloppy years.
I mean, 2020 still ranks as pretty off the charts, but we've seen sloppier years.
We've seen better years.
We have seen actually a steady progression of improvement in data quality.
This one was just crazy.
I mean, we saw votes coming in that were date stamped November 2025.
We saw some ballots in the system from data provided by the Department of Elections of ballot stamp 2022.
This is highly suggestive that they didn't finish testing the machines in time and didn't catch some of these glitches before.
Before they fired up the machines and got people early voting.
steve bannon
So, Aaron, hang on.
Hang on.
Slow down.
Let's put aside for a second the constitutional issues and the legal issues that were argued in front of the Supreme Court on Monday.
Are you telling me that just the bay are they trying to go through what you just mentioned right now and try to certify this?
Is this election, regardless of whether it can be held, it was rushed?
It's either going to be legal or not, which will be some court will decide.
Is it possible to certify this election just off what you guys have seen on the data in the voting in a normal certification process?
erin marie joyce
The short answer is that they have to certify.
They will certify what they can no matter what and then hope that things figure out, that they figure it out in the provisional and in other canvases.
But yes, the short answer is yes, that they'll just go with a number.
Now, Fairfax County's numbers add up.
A lot of the big counties' numbers do line up, their locality numbers and the precinct numbers.
So, and of all the vote differences we see, the yes votes are still squeaking out a win.
Interesting point, though, Steve, in front of the Supreme Court on Monday, one of the chief justices, one of the justices rather, asked the Solicitor General for the Commonwealth of Virginia, and that would have been for the Spamberger administration, does the yes vote or the squeaker of a yes vote, because it's very close, does that matter in these legal proceedings?
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erin marie joyce
And the Solicitor General himself said no.
So he kind of undermined Jay Jones, the Attorney General himself, who had just been on CNN saying, Look, the people have spoken.
This vote must count.
No.
When you change the Constitution, you can't just plow through the government.
steve bannon
Hang on one second.
We're going to go to a short commercial break.
Erin Joyce is with us.
She'll be with us on the other side.
unidentified
We rejoice when there's no more.
Let's take down the CCP.
War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bann.
steve bannon
We need the Republican Party to understand this war that we're in.
You didn't see it today on Capitol Hill.
In defense of Pete Hegseth, are the administration's policies in this war?
And I've got big questions about some of the policies in the war, but that's different than trying to destroy people and try to destroy President Trump and everything that the MAGA movement stands for.
Also, huge decisions today in Florida, decisions made in the Supreme Court, but people got to get in there and fight for that.
Remember, DeSantis got nothing but grief for this and going 24 to 4 in Florida.
Also, the Supreme Court, they're up to nine.
Axis reporting up to 19 seats in play, at least 12.
But we need Republican governors and state legislators to get on it right now.
Start calling special sessions.
We got to fight for this.
Aaron Joyce, I want everybody to go to your site and check the data out.
We're going to have you back on as we get to Friday, but whether they can certify or not.
What's your social media and what's the site?
Where do people go?
erin marie joyce
Well, thanks again, Steve.
We're Electoral Process Education Corporation, EPIC, EPEC.insol, the little nonprofit with the The big, big data.
That's our sub stack, epic.sub stack on X. We're on Epic Team.
You can find me at Aaron Joyce and John LaRoe.
You should also Google him at Digital Poll Watchers.
And we appreciate the time to explain it out.
Steve, much obliged.
steve bannon
Amazing, Aaron.
You guys do great work.
Thank you so much.
There's the Commonwealth of Virginia, a lot in play there.
And these arguments went so well on Monday, people are keeping out hope.
But hey, those judges got to be, they have to be certified by now a state legislature that is Democrat, thanks to Youngkin and the Republican establishment that basically cratered and crashed.
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Steve Stern, you have a precinct strategy meeting tomorrow.
I want to make sure all the, we're going to carry it here on War Room, but I want to make sure all the War Room posse knows about and puts on their calendar.
What time is it going to be?
Who's going to speak?
What are you guys going to do?
steve stern
It's going to be two o'clock tomorrow, Eastern time.
It'll be on Stern American Rumble, as well as 100 podcasters.
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unidentified
Amen.
steve stern
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unidentified
Amen.
steve stern
She's fought the Republicans there and won her election.
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steve bannon
I know we have limited time today.
What time is it and where do they go right now?
What time is it going to be?
unidentified
Two o'clock?
steve stern
Two o'clock.
You can go to Stern American Rumble.
You can go to the War Room.
You can go to GetterX.
You can email me at Stern1054gmail.com.
unidentified
Yeah.
steve stern
And next Wednesday, we're going to have our election security call with a special guest, John Goodman, who's going to give you information that you're going to want to know about.
And Steve Bannon, you're going to want to know about this too.
steve bannon
Thank you, sir.
Tomorrow at 2, we're going to stream it on all of our platforms here on War Room.
Steve Stern, great job.
Stern's absolutely correct.
Just because we're having these victories in Florida at the Supreme Court, got all these districts that have been DEI or gerrymandered by the Democrats, it's still dependent upon the grassroots to turn out.
But the grassroots understand this is political warfare.
Maybe this.
The Republican Party doesn't, but the grassroots definitely do.
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