Episode 5324: What Needs To Happen In Iran To Wrap Up The War And Open The Strait
Steve Bannon and Pete Hegseth analyze Iran's stalled negotiations in Islamabad amidst a tightening U.S. blockade following the seizure of the Tafani and Majestic X ships. While Gen Dan Caine confirms Iranian attacks on merchant vessels and potential six-month mine-clearing delays, Bannon alleges CCP proxy control over the IRGC and ghost ship smuggling via Fujairah. With Strait traffic dropping to 80% capacity and European allies failing to support the effort, the discussion concludes that Arab nations must take military action to clear the waterway or face prolonged economic collapse. [Automatically generated summary]
CNN has learned Iran is sending a delegation to Islamabad for negotiations.
That is according to Pakistani and Iranian sources.
We don't know yet if the U.S. plans to send a delegation of its own.
It comes after negotiations, as you well know, fell through earlier this week.
And we are standing by for an update from the Pentagon scheduled to begin in just about 30 minutes from now.
It comes as a third U.S. aircraft carrier arrives in the Middle East.
And it's the first briefing since President Trump extended The ceasefire with Iran.
You'll remember that originally he said the war would last four to six weeks, but now it's been nearly eight weeks.
The president says he feels no pressure to bring it to an end, telling reporters, Don't rush me.
And if the ceasefire fails, CNN has learned the U.S. military officials are developing new plans to target Iran's capabilities in the Strait of Hormuz.
Unlike the endless wars of the past that dragged on for years and for decades, with Little to show for it.
Operation Epic Fury has delivered a decisive military result in just weeks.
Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, as the president has pointed out, all took years, decades.
Vague missions, shifting sands, little to show for it.
Operation Epic Fury has been laser focused from the very start, as I've said to all of you.
Clear mission objectives, and ultimately, Iran will not have a nuclear weapon.
It's a bold and dangerous mission, a gift to the world, historic, courtesy of a bold and historic president, without the permission of the United States Navy.
To the regime in Tehran, the blockade is tightening by the hour.
We are in control, nothing in, nothing out.
Iran's battered military, the IRGC specifically, has been reduced to a gang of pirates with a flag.
They cloak their aggression in slogans, but the world now sees them for what they are criminals on the high seas.
They don't control anything.
They're acting like pirates, acting like terrorists.
They're the ones who lay indiscriminate mines, who shoot at random ships, who killed 45,000 of their own people, innocent protesters in the course of weeks, their own people.
They are the bad actors.
I see it every day behind closed doors.
President Trump's fortitude is unshakable and his mission is crystal clear.
President Trump said it again yesterday.
We have all the time in the world.
And we're not anxious for a deal.
And I hear him say it every day in private as well.
Iran knows that they still have an open window to choose wisely.
As we said previously, choose wisely.
at the negotiating table.
All they have to do is abandon a nuclear weapon in meaningful and verifiable ways, or instead they can watch their regime's fragile economic state collapse under the unrelenting pressure of American power.
A blockade as long as it takes, whatever President Trump decides.
Because the bottom line remains the bottom line.
Iran will never get a nuclear bomb.
The choice is theirs, but with this blockade, The clock is not on their side.
Earlier this week on that topic, there was a report, I believe, with the Washington Post that the Pentagon had briefed Congress that it could take up to six months to fully sweep the Strait of Hormuz for mines.
I was wondering if you could comment a little bit more on the specifics of the timeline, the range of time that it could take, and then just a general idea of how many mines have been placed.
based on, again, another leak from a closed door session which was supposed to be classified.
And apparently, allegedly, that was something that was said about we feel confident in our ability in the correct period of time to clear any mines that we identify and would encourage other countries to be a part of such an effort as well.
Again, using rotary wing assets to get to the ship, got on board and secured the bridge.
Both ships, the Tafani, the Majestic X, and their crews remain in U.S. custody.
And we will continue to conduct similar maritime interdiction actions and activities in the Pacific and Indian Oceans against Iranian ships and vessels of the Dark Fleet.
The actions by our service members and our law enforcement partners demonstrate the incredible discipline and dedication and professionalism of our joint force and highlight the global reach of American combat power.
The joint force remains on ensuring the Iranian regime cannot harm our interests or those of our allies and partners.
And I'll highlight that Iran has repeatedly sought to offensively.
And proactively expand the conflict by aggression against its neighbors and its attacks on global shipping through the Strait.
To date, Iran has attacked five merchant vessels, seized two of them that were attempting to transit the Strait.
And these include ships that Iran itself had cleared to proceed.
And I don't think there was much for Hegseth to report here.
There's not much progress, not much is changing.
There's nowhere near the number of ships getting through the Strait or getting out to the rest of the world as there was before this war.
And I just think it's more of the kind of almost the negative rhetoric, the name-calling, mocking the fancy meetings in Europe.
The bottom line is that the U.S. Navy needs those European ships to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz, and the way you get there isn't mocking them.
And there's a report, MSNow hasn't confirmed yet, but a Reuters report by one of their best reporters who I know, and it's about this email circulating, talking about ideas about how to retaliate against Europe, possibly trying to suspend Spain from NATO.
That's not even legally possible.
But this was flagged to me by David Cattler.
He's a senior former U.S. national security official, and he's also worked with NATO very closely.
He said, This tactic just doesn't work.
It's just further alienating the Europeans at a time when the U.S. needs as much help as it can get.
So, again, the top line to me was that there just wasn't much progress to announce here, and I didn't hear it.
Essentially, we're in this standoff with Iran, and they're not blinking.
To follow up, On Alexandra's question, how big are these mine laying boats?
Can they be achieved from fast boats?
And I wanted to follow up my last week question about as jet fuel stocks in Europe reportedly are only about six weeks left, they get most of their jet fuel from the Gulf.
Have any European countries reached out to assist in cordoning off the strait and participating in escorts?
You saw the, I would call it a silly conference in Europe last week, where they got together and talked about talking about maybe doing something eventually when things are done.
Those are not serious efforts yet.
We would welcome that.
We would welcome a serious European effort to do something about this strait and this passage, considering it's their energy capabilities that are most at stake.
I think it's a wake up call.
It's a wake up call for countries around the world.
Either you have capabilities or you don't.
Otherwise, you're at the behest of a country.
Like Iran, and the only country that can do something about it is the United States military.
Do you want to talk about the mines and the small crafts?
They have a variety of smaller Boston whaler sized boats.
We have forces up there deterring and preventing them from continuing to do that, and we'll continue to do so pursuant to the orders of the Secretary and the President.
And when you give these orders to carry out this extreme level of violence, what's going through your mind and your body?
Do you have like an adrenaline rush?
Are you scared?
Do you feel like you're on a power trip?
Just walk us through and paint us a picture of what it feels like mentally and physically.
It's a very TMZ question.
My only thought process.
It is to ensure that our warfighters have everything they need to be successful, defeat, and destroy the enemy, and they come home.
I want them to feel empowered, to have every authority they need within our rules and within our law to bring maximum violence to the enemy because war is violent.
War requires doing difficult things, but I want our people to feel empowered so it's our guys that come home and their guys that do not.
One place, Secretary of Navy unceremoniously fired, was it yesterday, the day before, unceremoniously fired a close friend of, I shouldn't say close friend, a friend of President Trump's and lives down the street from him in Mar-a-Lago, a billionaire.
And why?
Because of this controversy about a shipbuilding program.
Now, when I was in it, we had 252 ships under Carter, something like that.
The Navy was as small as it had been in decades and decades.
Became quite evident when we went to the Persian Gulf and the North Arabian Sea that President Reagan eventually came in with a 600 ship navy.
That was a big issue in the campaign of 1980.
If you're going to have free navigation, you have to have a navy that can actually do it.
And a navy of 600 ships is not cheap.
It also talks about a total reorientation of your strategy away from the big army perspective, the big army idea.
Of the wars in the Middle East, these never ending conflicts.
So, the Secretary of the Navy just fired, and we get a pretty detailed description of kind of what the issues are when you look at what we need to do to wrap this thing up and to come home.
And it's got a little bit of complexity to it, but at its heart, it's pretty straightforward.
Number one, we do need the NATO allies to step up with naval forces, obviously.
And Pete, I think, is right to mock them.
They're thinking about, thinking about.
But the Royal Navy, which we took over from really to be the global Navy of free navigation, had one destroyer, and this whole thing has sent one destroyer to Cyprus, which broke down in route and had to go into the yards in Cyprus for a fix.
Pete is missing right there, and the general's missing right there.
When you talk about pirates, and oh gosh, where do we hear that?
Three, four weeks ago?
Right here in Warburg.
They're pirates.
It's brigands.
It's whatever you want to call them asymmetric forces in current military jargon and lingo.
Because in the presentations, what's not actually clear is yes, we have a blockade.
We determine who goes in and out.
And quite frankly, the.
The idea that they're leaving the airports, and if they're leaving the airports full of oil that are heading to China, that is not a good thing.
The way we use this blockade, the blockade is a forcing function on economic warfare.
We're not out there just to say, oh, that's an Iranian ship coming from an Iranian port.
It's a forcing function, it is a device, a tool for economic warfare.
And if you're going to use it for economic warfare, you have to understand who the enemy is.
The central enemy in all this is the Chinese Communist Party.
Now they have proxies.
Proxies are the Revolutionary Guard.
We now know, as we said here from forever, they're really in charge.
New York Times, huge story today.
Financial Times, huge story today.
We talked about it last night on the show how they've got this really, the general that was in charge of doing the terrorist attack in Argentina, what, 10 years or so ago, longer than that, maybe.
To take down the synagogue and the Jewish center and killed tons of men, women, and children is now in charge.
And one of the guys, at least in charge of some element.
But we have to have amazingly clear focus here.
Exactly what are the pieces we have to do to get to an endgame that is suitable for the United States of America and the citizens of the United States of America?
Number one is not simply the allies in Europe, the quote unquote allies.
In the Gulf Emirate, because I would be telling MBZ and the Saudis and Qatar, get your young princelings ready.
Let's get them out on the obstacle course, because there's going to come a time in the not too distant future where we are going to go like we had to do with the Barbary pirates, because the mentality of these people is kind of a pirate gangster mentality.
We're going to have to go and dig them out, as we've said.
And the tip of the spirit digging them out ought to be Arabs, not American kids from Iowa or Kansas or New York City or Chicago or LA or South Texas.
We had the Abbey Gate discussion today.
All those kids from South Texas in the Rio Grande Valley, Hispanic American kids, no.
Where are the Arabs?
We're going to get into all this.
We're also going to pivot to Virginia.
A lot going on in the war this morning.
A very special 11 o'clock, which I'm really excited about.
Unlike the endless wars of the past that dragged on for years and for decades with little to show for it, operations without the permission of the United States Navy.
To the regime in Tehran, the blockade is tightening by the hour.
We are in control, nothing in, nothing out.
Iran's battered military, the IRGC specifically, has been reduced to a gang of pirates with a flag.
They cloak their aggression in slogans, but the world now sees them for what they are criminals on the high seas.
They don't control anything.
They're acting like pirates, acting like terrorists.
They're the ones who lay indiscriminate mines, who shoot at random ships, who killed 45,000 of their own people, innocent protesters in the course of weeks.
Let's not get JD on the plane on the tarmac with the engines ready to go.
About, you know, a group is going, they fired one guy, they got a hard line guy, he's going to Islamabad and they're going to go talk to the totally corrupt Pakistanis who are in the pocket of the Chinese Communist Party, except for maybe the field marshal, who's got a relationship with the president.
But Pakistan is the biggest recipient of One Belt, One Road.
That is the British East India Company model, predatory capitalism, where you do elite capture.
Load them up with debt and then squeeze them as the Chinese Communist Party is doing throughout South Asia and Sub Saharan Africa and try to do all the way to the gates of Vienna, of which many Europeans, including a lot of Italians in the Italian political system, were welcoming them with open arms.
So let's not get everybody all in a tizzy.
There's going to be a peace thing.
This is because they can't deliver a peace deal.
They don't want to deliver a peace deal, they think they're winning.
One of the reasons they think they're winning is they've got a collection of brigands and pirates down the coast that don't really report to them.
They report to themselves that are making bank.
They got a couple of motor whale boats.
They're dropping some mines.
They got AK 47s.
They're going to board a couple of ships, but they've stopped.
We've blocked everything coming out, but we're still letting the Arab ports go.
And you've got to put the Arabs on notice.
As bad as the Europeans are, the Arabs need this more.
They need to step up.
I hope MBZ and these guys are taking their special forces, which they put so much cash into, and let's see them fight.
They talk a lot and they hang out in London a lot and they do a lot of crypto, but can they fight?
If they can't fight, we've got to say, hey, guys, our kids are on these battle groups, strike groups out there in the Gulf of Oman.
Now we've got three.
These kids from Louisiana and Oklahoma and Montana and downtown Chicago.
Baltimore, Maryland, they want to go home and they should go home.
So, bowling.
What is here's the thing it sounds like in the presentation today, we got to block 100% of what we allow in and out, but they also have a block and traffic is dramatically down because either insurance or captains just say, I don't want to be boarded because they walk through, hey, they've fired upon five, they've captured three.
What are we doing there on the Hormuz side with the pirates, sir?
Amazing that pirates came up in the briefing room today with Secretary of War Pete.
I remember three or four weeks ago, Steve Bannon mentioning pirates, and no one had ever said that before.
If I weren't a skeptic, I would almost say they're either watching the war room or someone's telling them because you've been saying it for a very long time.
Now, let me just tell you, if I may, oil was 98 and change this morning early.
It precipitously dropped $3 a barrel, $3.50 a barrel to 95.
I called up some of the Biggest traders in the world, ConocoPhillips, et cetera, LucasOil.
And they said there's some chatter out there.
And I've never really heard this before that some oil, some Iranian oil is getting out there.
Now, the chatter is it's up to a million barrels a day.
Now, Steve, they literally produce a million two to a million five a day maximum.
So it seems like it may be a little bit overblown as far as the number.
But what's happening is, and they've done this before, the Iranians are very smart.
They have a place called Fujairah.
It's the biggest oil farm in the world.
And these are those big round cylinders filled with oil, the biggest, bigger than Cushing, Oklahoma.
And so they have Fujairah, which stores a ton of their oil, probably completely full right now.
And they have Jask Island.
It's where the end of their pipeline hits the water line.
And so what they're doing is, and it's just outside the Strait of Hormuz, it's just to the outside.
So if the Strait of Hormuz, the mouth goes into Iran, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq, Oman, UAE, it's the outside, almost near Pakistan, between the border between Iran and Pakistan.
So, this pipeline ends there, plus their big terminal is there, and they're going dark on vessels.
They're loading two million barrel vessels.
They're turning off their radars.
They're putting no flags on them.
And they're transferring the oil in the sea, outside in the Gulf of Oman, into other ships where they blend it, transfer it, like I said, and then they re flag it with another country's flag.
And off it goes.
And they believe the smart people, the actual physical traders, believe that this has been going on, it's going on, and they're creeping out some oil.
Now, the vast majority of the world is going to be.
But that's why I think Pete said now the blockade is global.
I think that's the reason.
I don't know if those facts, I'm sure they're trying to sneak out because, look, they're all pirates.
They're all, you know, these are all dirtbags, obviously.
And look, they're doing it for their country, or at least their element of their country.
So, from their perspective, they're sitting there going, hey, we're the bad guys.
But this is why I think Pete said the thing's gone global.
They're catching guys now in the Indian Ocean.
They're going to block the Straits of Malacca.
This is kind of the Navy's now alerted to these ghost ships that wherever you are, We're going to seize you or pull you over to the side.
And if you don't do it, you don't do it.
We're going to put a couple of hot ones, a couple of take the five inch 54s on the Ford gun mount, like they did the other day, and put a couple through the engine room in the back or steerage in the back so you can't steer the ship.
Yeah, and not only that, as you pointed out, we've been talking about that whole area, that whole shipping area right along there, Pakistan on one side, but Oman.
Into Somalia is rife with piracy.
So it's almost like thieves transferring and trading among thieves.
They're able to transverse those areas because they're all pirates.
The Arabs are the ones, this is how they keep their cash.
They ain't coming to the United States to help give me a credit swap line so I can get some dollars.
UAE, you know, they're going to invest a trillion dollars here.
They need a credit swap line to keep, you know, dollars is what they're telling us.
Who knows what it's really going to be structured like.
But, You know, they got their hand out immediately.
Just a question how many actual vessels?
Because when I look at the real time, it doesn't look like a big increase on vessels, a tremendous increase in vessels coming out of Hormuz that they're allowing out.
I understand what we're blocking, and we're blocking everybody from Iranian port, but are there a number of vessels every day coming back?
And what percentage to get to full capacity, what it was before, on oil shipments out of Hormuz from airports?
And if that's being held up by this group in the cliffs of Persia on that side of the strait of Hermuz in the Persian Gulf, Then somebody's got to solve for that part of the equation.
There are many ways you can solve for it.
We certainly wouldn't want to have American direct involvement.
That's why I would be talking to the Arabs right now.
They've spent hundreds of billions of dollars on these great militaries they've got.
Let's see if they can fight.
Seriously, let's see if they can fight.
Let's see all this big talk.
If the Saudis can fight, if UAE can fight, if Qatar can fight, let's see if they can fight.
We're going to depend upon now because the solution is going to come that we got to send special forces.
You got to have the 82nd Airborne's got a brigade over there.
You got the Marines.
I got that, but that should be plan B, C, or D.
We got these allies.
First off, the Europeans aren't sending any ships, none.
And the ones they send to the Eastern Med all break down.
They never really helped us in the Red Sea.
We talked about this.
I ranted about this last summer, back in June and July, before President Trump took out the.
Totally obliterated the nuclear program, I think, on the 22nd of June.
But the Red Sea was jammed up by the Houthis, who right now, the only reason they're not in a war is somebody's writing them a check.
This is who you're dealing with.
This is why I don't want to, I hope we don't get all excited and people are skipping around and all the thing.
Let's get it on the tarmac and line up the thing.
And Rick Kauf and Jared on the plane, because this is another, they're jerking people around.
We don't even know who's in charge.
We think it's a bad general now.
Maybe, maybe not.
What does he control?
Can he deliver?
And what are they talking about?
If they still got these 10 points that they want reparation on, there's nothing to talk about.
It's time to focus on what we need to do to wrap it up and come on home and wrap it up.
If the Strait of Hermoos and this group of pirates right there, if that's the equation you have to solve for, just let's pick an equation.
U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, Judge Jeanine Pirro, announced the Department of Justice would drop its criminal inquiry into Federal Reserve Chair Jay Powell, ending a months long saga that threatened the confirmation of Kevin Warshby Chair.
Pirro wrote on X, directed by my office to close our investigation, et cetera, et cetera.
She would not hesitate to restart criminal investigation if the facts weren't to do so.
Powell's going to need a little more than that, but that's a massive start that's going to change.
To change a huge problem for Scott Besson and the team over Treasury.
More about that this evening.
Eric Bowling, you agree that part of the equation has to be for us to come home.
And I look, I hear the nuclear stuff, and God bless them.
We totally obliterated once.
He's got some, I don't know what he got up there.
We totally took out the nuclear program.
But you got to get this, you got to get the world's oral markets back on some sort of stasis to do that.
You got to figure out something on Hormuz.
The Europeans who benefit from this aren't prepared to do it, can't do it because they don't have the navies to do it.
The Arabs are going to sit there like they always sit there and let us do their dirty work as we've been doing in the Middle East for decade after decade after decade.
And I guarantee you, you put them up there and said, your kids got to go over there and take those cliffs and get those Persians, all of a sudden you'll have some real negotiations.
So, what do you got?
Is the Hormuz down 80%?
Is there a site you're looking at that backs that up?
If you look at a map, we're locking down the entrance to the Strait of Hormuz.
This activity, Fajira and JASC, the pipeline and the big storage facilities on shore, at the shore, these vessels are being loaded several hundred miles away from that.
That's a big area, Steve, to patrol, as you know, especially if they're turning off their radar.
So, you find a couple, make examples out of them, sink them, and maybe you slow it down.
Well, they're status quo and they don't want to be challenged on the issue.
Thank you for having me again on, Steve.
I'm not supposed to be in this race for Secretary of State.
I've been fighting for the last two, three years to pass re election integrity in Ohio.
People think Ohio's a red state.
And that we're good to go.
But the reality is, we're still susceptible to voter registration fraud and third party groups and mail in ballots without photo ID.
And this is a bellwether state.
And so, Secretary of State positions have never been more important.
We have a perfect storm brewing here in Ohio.
There's a property tax revolt going on that's being led with a citizen led ballot referendum.
People are rejecting data centers.
We're the third highest in the entire country.
We've built over 200.
Rural communities don't even understand the full impact.
So, the legislature's been behind the power curve.
And then, of course, in the last six months, we've seen widespread government benefits fraud because we have the second largest Somali population in the country.
And none of these electeds that are just revolving door career cycle politicians have been addressing these issues, not to mention have not moved other than tiptoed when it comes to election integrity.
And so, with 10 days left and early voting underway and a low voter turnout, we have a real opportunity to put somebody who's backing the president's one day, one vote, same day in person, valid excuse, mail in ballot.
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And I think it's going to transform the entire country if we win this election coming up May 5th, 2026.
It's this idea that it's their turn, they're entitled to it, and they don't want to leave the scene.
But people want to have people who deliver results.
I've been privileged to serve this country since 9 11.
We served in the longest war.
We have the most resilience because of that.
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I'm built to do this job.
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And you have to be able to not just run elections, you've got to be able to address issues with business registration and fraud.
And I think Ohio needs a task force like the one that's been developed by the vice president at the national level.
And we need to have the auditor, the attorney general, and every secretary of state in every state cross coordinating to identify, detect, just like we did on the battlefield with intelligence, the type of government benefits fraud.
And so these are real ideas that are drawing people to our candidacy and why we're in a small lead here going into the final days.
But if we can get the posse out, we will be able to set a new pace, a new tone, and the old Republican Party of Ohio, just like when President Trump won, just like when Senator Bernie Moreno won.
And at the time, Senator Vance, they will all follow in line with the doers and the action officers.
They can go to my website at Sturbich4Ohio, S T R B I C H, spelled out F O R, ohio.com.
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But once we overcome this, we'll pass this revolving door, do nothing, career politicians, and put them in the private sector.
Also, just want to appeal to every mom, every grandma.
This is about our kids, okay?
Every single vote has to count.
And when our votes are diluted by foreign nationals or because we have a broken law or process and we're not enforcing it, when it comes to eligibility verification, which I can fix, that's going to affect your kids.
So we don't want them to go through a constitutional crisis like we did in the last few years.
So I would be honored to receive your vote here in Ohio, May 5th, 2026, for today.
But what we have on the ground in Virginia, a lot of frustrated Republicans who said, you know, the state party, the local officials were doing what they could to get the vote out.
They just didn't get the kind of support that they needed to put this thing over the top from national Republicans.
That's a huge concern and something I hope the party learns moving forward.
They've got a new leader, Jeff Reyer, who's a grassroots guy, because after Youngkin led this thing to an absolute debacle, collapse in November, there was really nobody that really wanted it.
So it fell back on the grassroots.
These people were amazing, incredible.
How did both the Trump team and the national Republicans?
Nazi, what you needed was support, ground support to support the thing that always works for us, which is low propensity, lower information voters who support President Trump.
The ballot measure language itself was extremely complicated by design by the Democrats.
You know, they had this flowery language that they used to talk about the fairness of elections.
Obviously, the Democrats don't give a whit about the fairness of elections unless it's fair to them.
And so that needed to be battled from the very beginning, not just in the court system, and that's a good place to back up, but when you're dealing with a campaign, you need all hands on deck.
And Ultimately, that's what I'm hearing on the ground.
All hands were not on deck, and that's a big problem.
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At 11 o'clock, we're going to mix it up here on a Friday in April.
Arthur Herman's going to be in the house, he's going to join me for the entire hour at 11.
You don't want to miss this.
One of the great, I would say, conservative historians, the author of How the Scots Invented the Modern World, which is a blockbuster book from a couple of decades back, but still resonates today.
A book on Freedom's Forge, which we actually took Tucker and had Tucker do an interview with the president basically at Freedom's Forge in Detroit back in the first term.
It was about the industrial power of the United States, how it helped.
Really is one of the driving forces to win World War II.
His new book, Founders Fire, about the 250th commemoration of our country's founding, takes it all the way up to the age of Trump.
You do not want to miss this.
That's at 11.
Aaron Joyce, also from the Commonwealth of Virginia, is going to join us at 5 o'clock today.
Caroline Wren will be with us for five o'clock.
Captain Fennell will talk about the pirate situation in Hormuz.
So, a lot at 5, 11 o'clock.
We're going to do the full hour with Arthur Herman.
Kittle, your article is getting a lot of reading because you're saying, hey, look, it was a magnificent attempt by the grassroots with no support, and they came very close.
But very close doesn't matter here because we're in a fight for our political life and really saving our country.
Why did the RNC, why did Las Vita and the president's team, why did Johnson, why did they get this wrong?
This was quite simple.
You back the grassroots, and you can win here, just like, hey, happened in 24, happened in 16.
Really happened in 20.
It's the same formula all the time with the Trump movement, sir.
Well, they say all the time that it's very difficult when Trump is not on the ballot.
We hear that from these folks over and over again.
But Trump is on the ballot.
His agenda is on the ballot.
His viability is on the ballot because if Democrats take over the House, it's going to be impeachment theater for the next two years and everything's going to shut down.
And so, this critically important reform.
Government and the deep state, and all the things you talk about on a regular basis, needs to be a priority.
They're going to have to find a way to get the message out to those important low propensity voters you talk about.
They're going to have to get the message out that Trump is on the ballot, and they have not done that successfully.
Social media, you're putting up your writings, where do they go to get this Federalist piece?
You're 100% correct.
I've got Ren on tonight because folks, not only am I proud about them finally addressing the pirate situation, finally, but the lead story in Axios today, wait for it, is about the Democrats already getting very sophisticated with law firms and everything else for the impeachment of Donald Trump.
Now, they're just going to announce the impeachment and get it rolling on day three when they take over, and it's not going to happen for 18 months after primary season.
But every day is going to be Ford Apache.
That's what we got to look forward to, but this thing can be turned around.
I don't want to hear any black pill.
I understand things aren't perfect.
I got that part.
I also know how you can win.
You know why?
Because there's a base of people out there with the cussedness and the toughness and the stick to itiveness and the good old fashioned American grit.
It's called the Trump movement.
It's called the grassroots, the MAGA movement, the war room posse.
Call it what you will, it can deliver victories.
I saw it deliver victories in Texas, and we could have delivered victories.
Victory here.
But the people with the money who got a whole incentive structure to put cash in their pockets look the other way.
And quite frankly, a lot of these people, Trump gets impeached, tough break for a swell guy.
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