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April 20, 2026 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 5313: Losing Virginia Leads To Impeachment; Continued Rise Of Christian Persecution

Stephen K. Bannon and Sean Spicer warn that Virginia's redistricting referendum represents a permanent Democratic power grab threatening Donald Trump's impeachment, while urging Republicans to nuke the filibuster. The broadcast shifts to Jeff Fryer mobilizing volunteers against alleged election fraud, then explores Raymond Abraham's defense of medieval Christians during the Crusades against distorted historical narratives. Finally, combat historian Patrick K. O'Donnell details British retaliation after Lexington and Concord, highlighting Continental snipers' use of Pennsylvania long rifles, collectively framing a narrative of political survival and historical revisionism. [Automatically generated summary]

Transcriber: CohereLabs/cohere-transcribe-03-2026, sat-12l-sm, and large-v3-turbo
Participants
Main
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raymond ibrahim
05:10
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steve bannon
r 18:27
Appearances
j
jeff ryer
r 04:46
j
jeff schapiro
01:21
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larry sabato
01:07
m
mike lindell
r 01:53
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patrick k odonnel
03:50
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ryan neuhaus
01:37
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sean spicer
02:21
Clips
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ali velshi
msnow 00:08
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jake tapper
cnn 00:09
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Speaker Time Text
Primal Scream of Dying Regime 00:14:52
steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on these people.
You're not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
MAGA Media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
steve bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.
steve bannon
Okay, it's Monday, 20 April, year of the Lord 2026.
We're going to get back.
Raymond Abraham is going to stick with me, and I'm going to get back to him momentarily because everything in the fog of war, there's kind of this misunderstanding of the Arabs and the Persians.
And we'll make sure that you understand.
Get access to information and make that clear.
Also, you've been told lies about the Crusades and all of it to make sure that you can't step up into what your true heritage is.
And now more than ever, we need to get the strength, the moral strength of those Christians in the Middle Ages.
We'll get back to that in a second.
But we have to deal with.
We must deal with the matters at hand.
And we have a huge matter at hand in the Commonwealth of Virginia.
I've got, let me play it from your favorite Velshi over at MSNBC.
I've got Sean Spicer and I've got Jeff Reyer.
They're going to join us here momentarily.
Let's play this and I'll bring in Sean.
ali velshi
Your quick evaluation, because the polling indicates support for the new map in Virginia, but it is within the margin of error.
larry sabato
Yes, I think the consensus is, and always beware consensus, but the consensus is that this referendum will probably pass.
It won't pass by an enormous margin.
But Democrats do have a lot of excess votes if they can get them out to vote.
And they have a burden in this case that they didn't have last November when they won everything in a landslide in Virginia.
And that additional burden is that some Democrats are very good government people.
They were the ones who originated a bipartisan compromise on redistricting.
They could have done this back when the Democrats controlled the governorship and both houses of the legislature in the Ralph Northam term when Governor Northam was in office.
But they didn't get around to it.
They went to a bipartisan system.
A lot of Democrats still like that idea.
So that should reduce the margin that would normally go to the Democratic side.
And the Democratic side here is yes.
Do this new system go from six Democratic seats to maybe 10 if everything works out the way they hope it will.
jeff schapiro
Emblematic of this diminished or somewhat diminished Democratic enthusiasm for this, again, despite overwhelming hostility in the state for Donald Trump, is the governor herself.
Abigail Spanberger fully supported this anti-garamandering commission that was.
Put in place by constitutional referendum in 2020.
She is supporting this initiative.
And I think that's gone away towards diminishing her standing, as some of these early polls have suggested.
And I think by extension, it's manifested itself with somewhat diminished enthusiasm for this effort to cook boundaries, albeit temporarily.
But I would point out.
And I think Larry may have something to say about this as well.
There's a bit of a bill of goods being sold here.
This is supposed to be a temporary fix.
Now, does anyone actually believe that the candidates, read Democrats, who could be elected under this scheme, are prepared to give up or risk giving up these seats after three terms when we're on the cusp of the next redistricting?
steve bannon
Sean Spicer, I'll start with you.
You gave, and by the way, I want to thank Hanover County, GOP, York, Delowis Stallman, everybody associated with yesterday, the rally we had.
It was fantastic.
I got to meet everybody afterwards with a meet and greet.
It was incredibly powerful, and hopefully we'll fire with the football on that.
Sean Spicer, I thought of all the talks, and there were so many powerful talks.
Yours are the best because you walked right up in front of the podium and said, hey, look, let me cut to the chase.
This is a naked grab for power.
Don't think it's anything else but, and particularly naked grab for power to try to thwart and destroy Donald Trump.
You want to expand on that?
unidentified
Yeah, well, first, thanks.
sean spicer
Amazing effort to organize this by, and so many great people from the War Room posse showing up there on a Sunday for hours to hear us and understand what's at stake.
But yeah, let me bottom line this.
The House of Representatives right now is 217.
The Republicans are barely hanging on to a majority.
The difference between a Donald Trump America First agenda and impeachment and investigation.
Is the majority in the House of Representatives.
unidentified
Virginia gives you four seats.
sean spicer
It's a simple math equation.
This is about power.
This is about Democrats recognizing that they think that they can steal the majority.
And so they are going to do this.
If you want the America First Donald Trump agenda to move forward, you need to get out in Virginia and vote.
This is $80 million versus maybe 10 at best.
This is David versus Goliath.
But the people who came out in Hanover County last night, they get it.
So many of the people that you talk to, they get it.
But Steve, the bottom line is this Trump 2.0.
Term is probably the most consequential and historical term for a variety of reasons that you know, you and I have talked about.
And this is the Democrats trying to do everything they can to stop it.
We need to call it out for what it is.
It's a power grab to stop Donald Trump.
They understand what's at stake in terms of this agenda.
Doge, Maha, everything is taking power away from the DC establishment class, big pharma, big ag, big tech, big corporate America.
And it threatens the left wing agenda.
And so let's stop pretending that it's anything but stealing power from people who are elected.
It's not temporary, it's not fair.
This is literally an attempt to steal power and stop the agenda.
steve bannon
And like I said, they put 80, the spending is, they said, oh, it's five to one.
It's eight or nine to one.
And they're competing to pound in.
It's just not TV advertising.
They've overwhelmed the advertising.
But they've got paid, all of our people are volunteers.
They've got paid canvassers.
They've got paid.
Talk about your briefly, talk about your experience the other day in Alexandria when you go and everything in the shopping center, you got Vote Yes.
You got all these kids running around putting pamphlets everywhere.
You go on Friday to vote, which you've never seen before 30 or 40, 50 people there ready to vote in the middle of the afternoon.
sean spicer
I mean, it was 1 30, 2 o'clock.
unidentified
Normally, you go in, you're the only one there, maybe somebody else.
It was, I mean, this was packed.
They are doing everything they can.
Now, Alexandria should be a turnout, but not in the middle of the day on a Friday.
It just, they know what they're doing.
sean spicer
They know what's at stake, and they're turning out everybody.
They're lying to the folks in the Commonwealth of Virginia, talking about it being about fairness.
And this is not about fairness.
This is not temporary.
Even the liberal that you just played the clip of on MSNBC will admit it has nothing to do with fairness.
It's a lie.
Obama's in on it, right?
unidentified
They get it.
And so if you hear this, you've got to talk to everybody that you're in Virginia because I don't care what state in America you live in.
This majority is that razor thin.
One, two votes right now is going to determine who's the chairman, who's the speaker, who gets the agenda.
And if Trump loses the majority there, I've seen the movie.
Guess what's going to happen?
Impeachment, impeachment, impeachment, investigation after investigation.
I saw it in Trump 1.0, Steve.
You were there.
You suffered the consequences of this more than anybody else right now.
You get it.
This is not like we need to understand.
This is not a Virginia thing.
This is their national plan to put them back in the majority and make Hakeem Jeffries the speaker.
As you know, I got a brand new book about Trump 2.0.
I've talked about how consequential this administration is going to be.
Everything that Donald Trump is doing to make America back on track and make it historical.
This agenda is threatened tomorrow by what's happening in Virginia.
We need to get out and vote and vote no.
steve bannon
Let me ask you, you were there.
Talk to me about the 2.0.
Why did you write it?
You're busy with the podcast.
You've got a lot going on.
Why did you take time?
And President Trump wrote the forward.
I put a plug in for the book because I loved it.
But I was kind of surprised you took the time to do it.
Why did you do it?
unidentified
Because, simply put, this Trump, four years out of office, and I literally had this conversation with the president the other day in the Oval about why this matters.
Because it's not just every other president in America who's had two terms has been sequential except for one.
Trump's the first one in modern history.
And those four years out of office, and this is what's so important to understand, is that he walked out of office and he said, Okay, if I ever get back in, who are the people that I need?
What are the processes?
What are the policies?
This team, and this is no offense, President Trump said, Sean, we had a great first term.
I said, Mr. President, I get it.
But when you were out of office, you were able to think, What will I do differently if I get back in?
When you're normally sequential, Monday becomes Tuesday, Tuesday becomes Wednesday, you have the same chief of staff, the same press secretary.
The same secretary of everything, and you just keep rolling along with your agenda.
But the reason that Trump 2.0 is so historical is because organizations like the Heritage Foundation, America First Policy Institute, New Gingrich, so many people, you guys were out there saying, if we get back in power, who do we want?
What's the agenda?
And how are we getting it done?
And it was like playing a team for the second time in a season.
sean spicer
We knew what plays we wanted to call, we knew where they were going to come at us, and we knew what we wanted to lead with.
unidentified
But there's a reason that people like Tom Homan are being so successful at.
sean spicer
Clamping down the border because they had time to think.
unidentified
And that's what Trump 2.0 is all about and why it's historical, it's because it's not just back to back terms continuing on.
These guys had the time to plot and plan their comeback.
And I went through every aspect.
We would never have a Maha movement without the ability to stop and to bring in all these people like Bobby Kennedy into the movement.
sean spicer
That would have never happened if Trump 1.0 just rolled into Trump 2.0.
So if you want to understand why it's historical, what we did right.
Why we were so much better equipped to come into Trump 1.0.
unidentified
Steve, you and I talk about this all the time.
Think about the people that infiltrated Trump 1.0 that were recommended because somebody knew somebody and said they'd make a great, you know, deputy undersecretary, whatever.
This wasn't the case this time.
There was no, like, Trump knew exactly who he wanted on his team.
And it's so much different because of that.
steve bannon
Where do they get the books, sir?
Where do they go right now?
unidentified
Best place to go right now is Amazon.com.
And I'll tell you, I got a promotion for everybody in the War Room posse.
Here's the deal if you go to Amazon right now and order Trump 2.0 and send me a copy of a screenshot of your receipt to contact at SeanSpicer.com, I'll make a book plate out to anybody that you want and send it to you at my expense.
So maybe it's a Mother's Day gift.
You got a friend that needs to hear it.
If you go to Amazon, take a screenshot, send it to contact at SeanSpicer.com, I will make out a personalized book plate to anyone who orders in the next seven days.
steve bannon
Brother, thank you so much.
Where do they get the show?
What's your social media?
Where do they get all your content?
unidentified
Let's go to Sean Spicer on YouTube.
And by the way, thank you for the big Steve Bannon plug on the back of the book.
Really appreciate it.
As you mentioned, President Trump already wrote the forward, but thank you for making sure everyone understood why you think it's this important.
steve bannon
No, it was fantastic.
Where do they go?
What's your social media?
Where do you go to get you?
unidentified
At Sean Spicer on Twitter, at Sean M Spicer on YouTube.
We've got two shows there at 6 o'clock.
And by the way, Steve, that big bombshell that you and I talked about tonight.
I've got Alan Dershowitz on the show tonight to talk about why he, whether he agrees with me or not, that the Supreme Court is slow rolling the Voting Rights Act.
And then Adam Kincaid, the man who knows more about redistricting than anyone else on the Republican side, is going to talk about what states could still redistrict and how that will net.
sean spicer
So if you care about keeping the majority, regardless of what happens in majority, you got to tune in tonight's show on my YouTube channel.
steve bannon
What time will that be?
sean spicer
Six o'clock.
steve bannon
Six o'clock is the bomb show.
Six o'clock is the bomb show.
Because this is the other redistricting that is so important.
Could be 12 seats, principally in the American South.
unidentified
5%.
steve bannon
Sean Spicer, thank you, sir.
unidentified
Thank you, Mr. Bannon.
See you soon.
steve bannon
Jeff Fryer is going to join us momentarily.
Let's take a break.
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Historic Senate Action Required 00:13:18
steve bannon
Short break, Commonwealth of Virginia next.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bann.
steve bannon
I think you just check.
I think President Trump just announced a highly unlikely extended ceasefire with Iran.
President Trump says ceasefire expires Wednesday evening.
Washington Times giving us a little more time.
Says he will not open trade removes until deal signed.
Well, I think we're a ways away.
Just throwing it out there.
When we can't find out who to negotiate with.
I said one of the critical things here once you shatter one of these regimes, you got these different power groups who can actually deliver on a deal?
And we should not act like a supplicant that we got a team, we're ready to go.
Hey, when we've broken them enough, they'll be ready to negotiate.
Because these are tough hombres and you're in it now.
So you got to deal with it.
Jeff Ryan, we're in it too in the Commonwealth of Virginia.
You've done something historic.
You've not only inspired you and your team and all these great chairmen of these, particularly rural counties, have just been incredible to kind of ride to the sound of the guns and with no money and really self organizing, which is so important.
That you've inspired, we can see it last night in Hanover County.
You've inspired people throughout the Commonwealth to give a fighting chance to get this done with eight to one money spent again.
Yeah, but you've also inspired you and the folks in Texas who have inspired grassroots throughout the country to say, Yes, we can get this done.
Walk us through what we need to do.
There's no substitute for victory.
unidentified
There has to be.
steve bannon
We got to win this tomorrow.
So tell us what we got to do in the next 48 hours.
jeff ryer
Well, if you're in Virginia right now, Please contact your local Republican Party chairman or committee so that you can work a polling place tomorrow.
The polls are open from 6 a.m. to 7 p.m.
And this is an election where, if you're working the polling places, you will change votes because there are still people who are coming to the polls who know they're supposed to vote tomorrow but aren't entirely sure what the consequences are.
And we have at the polling places given our units all of the materials they need.
To be able to explain quickly to a voter walking into the polling place what the stakes are and what is important about this particular election.
And that's for folks who are in Virginia.
If you're not in Virginia and you still want to be a part of it, and we've had, we're into the mid, well over 100 war room posse people from around the country who have taken on phone lists for us to make phone calls to Virginians to urge them to go to the polls.
And to do that, you just send an email to votenow at virginia.gov.
And we'll get you set up with phone lists just as quickly as possible.
And you'll be able to become part of our organization right here, even though you don't live here.
And you can make a difference because, as both Steve and Sean told you earlier, this is a contest that has national implications in a very big way.
If you go to Virginia.gov, which they had up on the screen there just for a second, and you click on the little no rigged maps box, You will be able to go to a page that shows you how to volunteer right there.
steve bannon
Hang on, hang on.
We don't need to see, Denver, we don't need to see the lovely visage of.
Of Jeff or even Stephen K. Bannon.
Let's put the site up because this is what we're going to take one more time.
Hit it, go, hit rewind.
Where do people need to go?
jeff ryer
Go to virginia.gov and you can either click on stop gerrymandering at the top of the page or click on no rigged maps right there and it will take you to a page.
And as you scroll down, it's got the link to the form and everything else.
It'll help you get involved as quickly as possible.
We are getting more volunteers every day.
Yesterday's rally brought us quite a few more and quite a few more.
People signing up at vote no at virginia.gov.
If you send an email with your name and your phone number, we will get up with you and we will put you in contact with other voters in Virginia so that you can help get them to the polls and explain to them how important this election is.
steve bannon
Just on the Saturday show, and it was so inspirational.
Grace Chung was the first one, boom, as she often says, first through the door.
We had a hundred.
War Room posse members sign up for this, and that means tens of thousands of potential calls.
I want to do that today.
One more time, where do they go to work a phone bank?
Because this is particularly, he's got huge operating leverage in the final hours of this.
So, where do people go one more time for that?
jeff ryer
Send an email to votenovirginia.gov.
Put your name and your phone number in it, and we will be back to you very quickly and we will get you set up with a phone list.
You will be on behalf of the Republican Party of Virginia, and you will be persuading Virginians to vote no and to vote tomorrow.
Polls open 6 a.m., 7 p.m.
steve bannon
And you can still be where do they go if they want to be a poll worker?
Because you're right.
The thing's so confusing.
See, the Democrats never put a map up.
This is what liars they are, how demonic.
So tomorrow, you're going to change some minds right there.
So where do they go?
unidentified
Yep.
jeff ryer
And if you go to virginia.gov, And at the top, you'll see our party.
It's right beside that.
And you should see unit leaders as you scroll down.
And when you go to that, look at that.
It's the name of every county and city in the Commonwealth.
It puts you in contact with your local chair.
They will put you to work at the polling place.
And you will have materials that have things that have been denied voters in this election.
Because guess what?
Except for the maps that we have printed out and the signs and the materials that we have with maps on them, the Democrats aren't showing off any maps.
And the Democrat controlled State Board of Elections is not showing off any maps.
We're actually informing voters of what the consequences of this is to Virginia.
And what it really does is it disenfranchises nearly half of the state.
Over 56 rural counties just won't have any representation any longer.
It's a very big deal.
steve bannon
This is their plan.
jeff ryer
Find your local GOP.
steve bannon
This is their plan.
Yeah.
Not just are they going to take power and use these four seats to impeach Trump.
But they're going to use this as a template for the rest of the country.
It's coming.
That's why people throughout the country are now, they go, wow, I get it.
I understand what's going on.
These Democrats are demonic.
If they weren't demonic, wouldn't they show you a map?
Wouldn't they walk you through the logic?
You know, you had the guy in there in the cold open talked about, well, you know, they could have done this, but there are many Democrats.
And this is what we're counting on Democrats in Virginia to sit there and go, this doesn't feel right to me.
As much as I hate Trump, this does not feel right to me to do this to the Commonwealth.
Anyway, Jeff, one more time, your social media, where do people go to follow you, sir?
jeff ryer
Follow us on social media.
Go to capital V, capital A, underscore, capital G, capital O, capital P.
And that's on X.
And you will find a lot of stuff going on there because right now we have so much activity going on here in the Commonwealth over the final stretch.
It's just phenomenal.
We are jam packed.
And in fact, later today, I'm heading over to the Eastern Shore of Virginia.
I'll be in Accomack County, both meeting with our activists and also doing my duties to distribute signs and materials.
because we've got our staff running in a bunch of different directions.
So I pick the short, I pick the straw that furthest distance, I get to go to the Eastern Shore.
steve bannon
Thank you, sir.
Appreciate you.
jeff ryer
Thank you.
And thank you to the War Room and to Steve, to you personally.
You were with us when nobody else was paying attention, and it has made a huge difference.
The War Room posse, both in Virginia and outside of Virginia, has stood up and has helped us and has put us in competition.
We can win this.
steve bannon
We can win this.
We got to win this.
Thank you, sir.
Appreciate you.
unidentified
Thank you.
steve bannon
War Room posse, once again, you've been extraordinary.
Yesterday was just absolutely amazing and what you've done around the country.
So, one more time.
To the ramparts.
Ryan Newhouse, while we're on it, and they're meeting back in the imperial capital, there's an article in Politico the other day that the Senate and all these guys in the Senate and all their big sponsors and the big donors, they're all sucking their thumb and they're bitching and moaning and now they're whining.
Oh my God.
Cook Report comes out and it looks like the Senate's in play.
They've raised $9 million in Alaska.
They're all over.
Every one of these guys are in play now.
They've got a bunch of clones of.
McConnell, that they propped up as the candidates.
You got guys like Lindsey Graham running, right?
You got all these, and they're not doing anything.
You've written a piece that says, hey, look, if you get focused and take some action, and here's what you got to take action on, you can save yourselves.
But if you don't do it, you're done.
What do you got for us, Ryan?
ryan neuhaus
Yeah, Steve, in politics, there's no participation trophies, there's winners and losers.
And the Senate right now is functioning as a loser institution.
Republicans, it seems, want to give up the majority.
Not only because, like you're saying, there's a lot of McConnell acolytes.
I think one of those that's not, and I'll give him a quick shout out is Nate Morris.
But the Senate has to nuke the filibuster.
It's time.
In politics, you pursue power, you pursue your agenda, and you enforce it.
The only way that Republicans are going to get any wins on the board between now and November, wins that will motivate the base to come out and vote for our guys so that we can win, so that we can protect President Trump from impeachment and from a possible conviction from some crazy Senate Republicans that.
Are you know obstructing the agenda right now?
Not confirming uh political appointees, not getting bills across the finish line is to nuke the filibuster, pass bills at 51.
We got to pass the Save America Act, we got to get DHS funded, we've got to get mass deportations underway.
We need voter ID, we have to do what we said we were going to do on the campaign trail.
And if we don't, then people aren't going to turn out for us and we'll deserve to lose.
steve bannon
But the Save America they've just been beside you got Mike Lee and Eric Schmidt, you got a handful of these guys.
But the rest of it's been totally performative, has it not?
So, how do you?
I keep saying with Thune, you know, he keeps on the president, I can't get to 51 votes.
I can't, even if I was to break the filibuster, I can't get to 51.
But you can get to 27.
Can't we remove him as, isn't the first action to remove him as leader and start with somebody else?
ryan neuhaus
I think that should totally be on the table, Steve.
I think Thune needs to feel his feet to the fire.
I think 27 Republicans, I think every day you should have reporters in Congress going up to Republicans, counting the numbers of how many are pleased with the work.
Of leader theme this cycle.
I don't know how anyone is doing a good job.
steve bannon
Hang on one second.
I want to just hold you to the break for a second.
Raymond Abraham, Patrick K. O'Donnell were trumpeted Lexington and Concord.
unidentified
How about that?
In the war room.
steve bannon
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unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bann.
steve bannon
Ryan, where do people go to get this article?
To get this piece, I want people to start thinking about this.
I'm gonna have you back on because the Senate, Senate, save yourselves.
Don't be bitching and moaning and coming and asking people, throwing money and oh, woe is me out in Alaska, Sullivan.
He's gonna save yourselves.
If you take action, I'm talking about people running for the Senate or in the Senate.
If you take dramatic action, and it's gonna take dramatic action, people just aren't gonna, they're not gonna support you.
Let me be blunt.
They see you as a hindrance to the Trump agenda and not somebody that is driving the Trump agenda.
So, You can save yourselves.
There's still time.
We're burning daylight, but there's still time.
Ryan, where do people go to get this piece and get more of your thinking, sir?
ryan neuhaus
Can't agree more, Steve.
You can find it.
It's on the American mind.
It's Claremont's publication.
The piece is titled The Road to Pax Americana Runs Through Congress.
steve bannon
The Road to Pax Americana.
I love that.
Thank you, sir.
Look forward to having you back on, brother.
ryan neuhaus
Thanks, Steve.
Appreciate you.
steve bannon
Ryan Newhouse.
Great piece.
Senate, save yourself.
Raymond Abraham.
unidentified
What's the difference?
Holy Land Mindset Shift 00:07:13
steve bannon
We've been told the Crusades are terrible.
They're just bad guys, bad hombres.
They did terrible things.
I would say the historical record is 180% opposite that.
But of course, modern woke historians are going to tell you this.
But you said that, hey, there's a difference in mindset between modern man and medieval man, particularly in regards to the Holy Land and the Middle East.
What is that, sir?
raymond ibrahim
Well, for the pre modern medieval Christians, stretching all the way back, well, the question of the Holy Land was very important.
And in fact, that is the primary reason behind the Crusades.
What Muslims were doing at that time, right before the First Crusade was called in the year 1095, was basically violence against Christians, destruction of churches, which had been going on, incidentally, from the very start of the rise of Islam in the seventh century, some four or five centuries before the First Crusade, when Muslims basically conquered and annexed a massive Chunk of what was once the Christian world, almost three quarters, we can say.
But even before the rise of Islam, before Islam was created, the Holy Land, especially following Constantine, Constantine the Great, who created all these shrines and basilicas and cathedrals and churches all around the holy sites of Christ's life.
For example, the Holy Sepulchre, that was a massive church structure which was built around all the regions where he was crucified.
Buried, resurrected, and so forth.
That church, of course, was destroyed in the year 1009 by a Muslim caliph from Egypt, and that almost propelled a crusade at the time, but it didn't.
And eventually, a smaller church of the resurrection, Holy Sepulchre church, was built.
But anyway, the same thing continued.
The Muslims again still attacking and destroying and murdering pilgrims that the Christians went to the first crusade.
They couldn't just say no and forget about the Holy Land.
Sacred place was very important.
To Christians, not unlike it is for Jews and Muslims, actually.
And that itself is very interesting because, in as much as medieval Christians fought tooth and nail, left Europe simply to retake the Holy Land from, at the time, Muslims, because, like I said, before it was Muslim, it was Christian, it was conquered.
The Holy Land around Jerusalem was conquered in 637 from the Roman Empire, essentially, the Eastern Roman Empire.
So it was a just war, but at the same time, There was, they could not leave what they, you know, the sacred lands of their king, Jesus Christ, under pagan hands, under pagan authority and defilement.
And today it's interesting because you don't see that really.
It's Christians are either on one side or the other of another religion.
You have Christians who are sympathetic towards and helpful of, let's say, Iran and Muslims.
And you have others who, you know, yeah, they want the Holy Land, but for Judaism.
Okay, so that definitely is a, and that has to do with this, you know, this idea of dispensationalism, which is very, very modern and was created, as I'm sure you know, just very recently for political reasons.
But yeah, very, very different.
steve bannon
Let me be blunt.
It's a heresy.
unidentified
Let's full stop.
Yeah.
steve bannon
It's a heresy.
But it's a heresy.
But I got to bounce.
I want to make sure people get, particularly for young people, if you got young people in your life, young men in your life, Two of your books are perfect.
One, you give the heroes of the Christian West in this fight against Islam.
And then you've got these two swords of Christ about the military orders, they are amazing.
But my question to end this is that we know that the radical theocracy in Persia is very dangerous, incredibly dangerous, bad guys.
But they're not all that much better.
When you scratch the surface, not that much better with our allies in the Gulf, are we, sir?
raymond ibrahim
Oh, not at all.
And I think I was trying to allude to that earlier, where it's to me, it's an artificial distinction, one that's simply being made for political points when anyone gets up and tells us we have to attack Iran because they represent radical Islam.
Because if that was true, believe it or not, there's a lot more radical organizations.
Sunni Islam is inherently more radical than Shia Islam.
Shia Islam is a minority form of religion, which has actually been the victim of Sunnis historically.
Okay, but it's also, I'm not trying to exonerate Iran or Shiism.
It's still a militant ideology, you know, rife with martyrdom against the other and so forth.
But the fact that we, and then we go, we cozy up with these Arab Gulf nations, Saudi Arabia, who are, who really are the ones who fund and support and whose ideology is all violent and hostile towards the infidel, and whose history, if we look at the history of the conquests that I mentioned of Muslims, these were all Sunni Muslim organizations, whether it's the, you know, the Umayyad Caliphate, the Abbasids.
The Turks, the Seljuks, and the Ottomans in Spain, same thing.
These were all Sunnis.
So it's artificial.
It's an artificial distinction when any talking head comes and says, Yeah, we're attacking Iran because they're the bad radical Muslim, when at the same time we're in bed with the truly bad radical Muslims.
steve bannon
You're speaking at a conference this week.
I want the information where they go to get your books, particularly the one you've got out, the newest one.
Where do they go to get your writings and all your content?
And where do they go to this conference you're speaking at this week, sir?
raymond ibrahim
Thanks, Steve.
My books, you can get them on Amazon easily or go to my website, raymondibrahim.com, and you'll see actual links to all of them.
You can get signed copies for a small donation that helps the website as well.
Check out my Substack and my YouTube.
As far as the conference, it's very interesting because it's actually connected to my books.
I'm glad you point out these books and how they are actually inspiring, especially to young men, but even women.
You'll be surprised.
There's something going on, Steve, where a lot of Christians are dissatisfied with the versions of Christianity that's been told to them.
This is the official brand that you have to accept.
And I think when they read about these Christians, they feel liberated because this is who they want to be, this is their natural birth.
Right, this is their heritage, and this is what they want to resuscitate.
I'm seeing this everywhere, um, like I said, even more so with women, surprisingly.
And these conferences, a lot of them are very much infused with the same spirit, hence why they, you know, asked me to come along.
Somehow I've become, you know, the head of the crusade.
steve bannon
Yes, the church militant, the church, the tired of being wimps, the church militant.
It's going to take that to sort this mess out, Raymond.
Uh, appreciate you.
I'm going to have you back on later in the week, talk about this conference this week, and make sure everybody goes.
Hopefully, we can live stream it.
British Army Frontal Assault Failed 00:04:37
steve bannon
Thank you, sir.
unidentified
Okay.
raymond ibrahim
Thanks, Steve.
steve bannon
They got a young man or woman in your life.
His first book was about the 1400 year war.
The second book was about the heroes of that war, 1400 years.
Some amazing individuals from Richard the Lionhearted to El Cid, the leaders of the First Crusade, just incredible.
And then the last one he's got is about the two military orders, the two great military orders that came out the Knights of St. John, Hospitallers, and of course the Knights Templar.
Just amazing.
Patrick K. O'Donnell.
My crusader of the 21st century, guy that volunteers a combat historian to go serve at the tip of the spear with the Marines in Iraq, in Fallujah, the hardest of the hard.
Thank you so much.
So, Lexington and Concord, right?
The 250th anniversary of that was last year.
But I wanted to have you on today to think that, hey, a year after Lexington and Concord, which were the shot heard around the world, now we're getting down to the point of.
The Continental Congress, where they said, hey, maybe we got to have something that definitively says what we're trying to do here.
We got to put it on paper, which I tell people all the time.
I got talk, I got debate.
Give me a one pager.
They wanted a one pager to say exactly what are we doing here.
And the ultimate outcome of that was the Declaration of Independence.
Now, over in England, Patrick, they knew they had a problem.
And the geopolitical minds and the strategists, because remember, they made an empire from a small island.
They were ahead of this one.
And they said, we got two great.
Footings for an empire, India and North America, and we ain't going to lose either one of them.
They decided maybe we got to send an expeditionary force.
Maybe we're going to send some folks over there to get their attention since it didn't quite work in Boston.
Your thoughts on the year after Lexington and Concord, sir?
patrick k odonnel
They sent a very large statement in the form of one of the largest armada that would ever reach the American shores.
You know, most of the British Navy and as well as most of the British Army, which at the time were some of the most professional and disciplined and really the greatest fighting force of the time, to come over and crush the Americans.
Lexington and Concord had almost succeeded.
And the goal there was to disarm the Americans.
At the time, Gunpowder was very scarce.
We had plenty of weapons from the French and Indian War, but not much gunpowder.
And we had outsourced all of our gunpowder to India at the time, and there was very little, if none, in the colonies itself to manufacture gunpowder.
So gunpowder is extremely scarce.
This was the Achilles heel.
Gage knew it.
And Lexington and Concord was about taking gunpowder supplies as well as cannon and other armaments that were built up.
In Concord and the surrounding areas.
And he had a, you know, he had the perfect spy, Steve Benjamin Church, who is one of the top three guys in the, in the, in the, within the Patriot movement, was a double agent or a spy for Gage.
They knew where to go.
And, but ultimately, as it fails, and then they have, they realize after the, after Boston and Dorchester Heights, where Washington, you know, basically without firing a shot, they seize the high ground and they force General Howe.
To evacuate Boston.
And then they come back for round two, which is New York City and the invasion of North America.
And they assemble this massive fleet.
steve bannon
Hang on a second.
Hang on a second.
The guys in London realized Lexton and Concord, it's kind of militia.
And it's guys hiding behind trees, behind things, and just a relentless fire as the British regulars start to retreat.
And when they get back, they're torn apart and they realize, hey, these guys, these men and women, this is a different crowd here.
But then at Boston, They realized they took a front.
It was, you know, they stopped a frontal assault by the world's best at that time, the British Army.
So then they realized, hey, these guys can fight both ways.
And they ain't giving up.
This is why the British just didn't think about, oh, we're going to send the largest expeditionary force in the history of the world to go to New York and split this thing in two, hive off these radicals in Boston from the Middle Atlantic states, particularly the Virginians.
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steve bannon
We're going to cut it in two.
We're going to send, we're going to go all in.
I think it was 300 combatants.
I mean, the Royal Navy ruled the waves.
The British Army was pound for pound as tough.
And I want people to understand as we're celebrating the Declaration of Independence, a bunch of lawyers really talking about the fundamental rights of man in this magnificent document that's inspired by divine providence.
You got something on the other side.
They're about to drop a hammer blow on these colonists.
They're going to destroy this.
They are going to shatter this as a lesson, not just for the colonists to end this nonsense.
But for folks in India and the rest of the world, that when the British come, they're going to rule, not just the waves, they're going to rule the land too.
Patrick K. O'Donnell, combat historian for his generation, next in the war room.
unidentified
Let's take down the CCP.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bass.
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Patrick K. O'Donnell, you've thought about this.
In fact, I think you're writing a book about it.
A year afterwards, weren't people rethinking, hey, maybe Lexington and Concord, some of folks saying, maybe the British were right, maybe we should just be indentured servants to the British Empire, sir?
patrick k odonnel
There were some, but there were also those that we were unleashing some of the baddest of the badasses.
And that's what my next book is about.
My forthcoming book is called The Revolutionary Snipers.
I just have the jacket here.
And it's already a bestseller.
You can pre order it now.
It'll be out in a few months.
But this is about the Continental Army's first members, which were snipers or riflemen.
We had a secret weapon, the Pennsylvania long rifle, which was with novel technology for the time.
You could kill a man at 300 or 400 yards.
And these guys, Were the best of the best in terms of the shots of the Continental Army.
And these were forming right after Lexington and Concord.
And they march up to Boston and they are very active and present in the Battle of New York.
It's these men that will turn the tide in many cases.
One of the great battles of New York is a place called Throng's Neck.
And the British have complete control of New York by way of the Navy.
The Royal Navy can land anywhere in New York.
And therefore, destroy the continental army pretty much at will.
It's at Throg's Neck that 25 of these men meet several thousand landing British soldiers, and they are able to pick off the officers and pick off wave after wave of man.
And then they are able to reinforce the area.
But 25 men stop an entire invasion.
They then land a few miles up shore.
And again, it's the rifle that will play a decisive role in tactics.
Which are evolving.
unidentified
I love that.
patrick k odonnel
Through the Continental Army.
steve bannon
The Gunman, the Pennsylvania Long Rifle.
We got to bounce.
Where do people get your writings, particularly where they order this?
This will be a trilogy now.
This will be your third at the Revolutionary War.
patrick k odonnel
This will be a trilogy on the most elite units within the Continental Army, the baddest of the bad.
These guys are the backwoodsmen, the true Americans of rugged individualism.
Already a bestseller.
Order it on Amazon, pre order it, get yourself a copy.
It's called Revolutionary Snipers.
At Combat Historian is my extra Twitter.
As well as my Gitter account, patrickkodonald.com.
I had a great piece on Breitbart on Saturday and Sunday on Lexington and Concord called Disarmament Death.
steve bannon
Also, we're pushing that one out.
Patrick K. O'Donnell, thank you.
I can't wait to have you on.
patrick k odonnel
Thank you, Steve.
It's always great to debut a book with you.
steve bannon
It's amazing.
And we're going to do the Memorial Day.
We always do Memorial Day.
patrick k odonnel
Love doing it.
steve bannon
Fourth of July, all of it.
Thank you, brother.
unidentified
Thank you.
steve bannon
What a guy.
The Pennsylvania long ride.
This is what Virginia is all about.
The cradle revolution.
Those rural counties are the ones that stood in the breach 250 years ago.
Just like in Pennsylvania and Massachusetts, all of it.
What do we owe them?
I'll tell you one thing we owe them not to roll over.
And I understand when you, like in Sean's book, Trump 2.0, is it perfect?
No, it ain't perfect.
But it's a thousand million percent better than the alternative.
So let's make it perfect.
The one way we make it perfect is to make sure we still got it.
If people are not thinking that, then your mind's not right.
And I realize there are a lot of problems.
Didn't say there's not a lot of problems.
There are a lot of problems.
That's human nature.
It's just going to happen.
Virginia Cradle Revolution Stands 00:02:49
steve bannon
But we got to stop this thing in Virginia because they get control of that.
Those demons.
Look at Spanberg.
You don't think she looks like a demon?
She doesn't talk like a demon.
She doesn't act like a demon.
Just think of that for a second.
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