Episode 5300: Fight For Freedom And MAGA In Virginia
Stephen K. Bannon and guests dissect the failed Iran peace talks, where Kushner and Vance rejected a 20-year uranium pause for a five-year offer, while Congress pressures the administration amid rising gas prices. The episode pivots to Virginia's April 21 referendum, exposing a "lobster tail" gerrymander shifting four seats to Democrats against $60 million in Soros-funded ads. Guests condemn this Stalinist map as a MAGA threat, contrasting grassroots organizing with elite spending, while denying IRS understaffing rumors and discussing gold trends with Philip Patrick. Ultimately, the segment frames these battles as existential fights for American sovereignty against entrenched Democratic overreach. [Automatically generated summary]
President Trump's son-in-law, Jared Kushner, says making peace isn't so much different from making business deals.
But if that's the strategy, it may not be working right now with Iran.
Kushner, along with real estate mogul turned Middle East envoy, Steve Woodcock, didn't reach a deal, of course, with Iran in February before this war began.
Last week, it wasn't them, but Pakistan that brokered the fragile two-week ceasefire.
Then over the weekend, Kushner and Woodcock, alongside Vice President JD Vance, spent more than 20 hours in talks with Pakistan and still walked away.
Without a deal.
As Jonathan Geyer put it in the New York Times, the pair represent a rogue version of diplomacy that's focused on the flashy and theatrical and reflection of the Trump real estate developer ethos.
He argues Iran may be the clearest sign that the approach isn't applicable here.
President Trump hinting now at fresh talks, fresh peace talks with Iran, with just a week to go before this ceasefire is set to expire.
The president telling the New York Post something could be happening over the next two days in Pakistan, where marathon top level negotiations over the weekend.
Did not, of course, result in a deal.
A U.S. official tells CNN American negotiators pushed Iran to accept a 20 year pause for enriching uranium.
Today, President Trump said he's not in favor of that timeframe.
At the talks, Iran countered with a five year suspension and offer the U.S. ultimately rejected.
We are now 45 days into the conflict with Iran, and Republicans on Capitol Hill are searching for some kind of exit strategy.
Punchbowl reporting from the Republican leadership to the rank and file, GOP senators say they're eager for the White House to find an off ramp as political and economic fallout from the war.
Are mounting, particularly skyrocketing gas prices and the danger that poses for Republicans in the looming midterm elections.
Today, we're seeing Republican leadership seemingly break with the administration.
MS now caught up with Senate Majority Leader John Thune, who says regime change may not be a realistic goal for this war, at least not immediately.
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On Iran, do you still think the goal should be regime change?
You know, I always think that's an aspirational goal.
I think the realistic one is that the people of that country are going to have.
To decide that.
So, you know, I don't think that ought to be, if you're looking at critical objectives that we need to achieve before the operation there is over, then no, I don't think that's a, but I'm hoping it leads to that.
Talks were bungled in February, where Steve Witkoff, the close confidant of the president, and Jared Kushner, his son in law, were in Geneva.
They were back channeling indirect talks with the Iranians.
And sources were very optimistic that maybe even a better deal than the Obama deal was possible.
But then, you know, late February, the U.S. and Israel go to war.
And I think this has led to a cascade of negative effects that show this was not the best way.
You don't want to send real estate developers when you have all this bench of expertise in the State Department.
Now, I'll say I was really optimistic about Mr. Witkoff because you have to buck convention to get stuff done.
I think unconventional diplomacy is crucial here, but you have to back that up with experience and expertise.
And my sense from those who've been reporting on this and from what they're saying publicly is that this was not a business deal and they treated it like it was one.
It's Tuesday, 14 April in the year of World War II026.
Okay, momentarily, I guess about 5 30 Eastern Daylight Time, the Chinese ambassador to the United States is going to be scheduled to be at the White House and talking with the commander in chief.
On a day that I think we got sorted the blockade, and I think the information from the media is that the blockade is restricted.
Any ship, any vessel they didn't want to come through did not come through.
So at least on day one, or the official, I guess it started at 10 a.m. on Monday.
Now we're through the first 24 hour period.
It looks like it's in place.
I know that.
The impacts being felt because people all over the world saying, Oh, this is terrible.
It's got to stop.
So remember, this is an instrumentality of economic warfare.
Scott Besson and others have advocated for this for a while that you'll bring all the issues to a head here.
And clearly, something has happened because the Chinese Communist Party, who is working behind the scenes to stir up as much trouble as they possibly could because they're an existential threat to the United States of America, they're now coming over to the White House and being a supplicant, wanting a meeting.
With the president.
I'm sure they might even get President Xi on the phone to discuss this.
They have made many statements that the free navigation of Strait of Hormuz, Persian Gulf, Gulf of Oman, et cetera, North Arabian Sea cannot be interfered with essentially by the American Navy.
So we'll see all about that.
And I would assume if this meeting goes well, President Trump may actually, what goes well is, I guess, a defined.
We want to go well as tell him to go pound sand.
Because I think that's the whole purpose of this exercise in Iran.
If there's any easement, I'm sure they're going to want to have people in.
Anyway, Neil McCabe is at the White House.
He's going to join us in a little while.
We are standing by for that.
And any activity, the White House will go to that immediately.
Philip Patrick's also going to join us from Birch Gold.
Cameron Kinsey, because tomorrow's tax filing day.
We're trying to get Brother Lambert, the head of that fund that trades in MAGA stocks, that did, I think, a star turn last night on CNN and really explained this issue between the Pope and the president, which is not about infallibility.
It's not about church doctrine.
It's really about kind of hard nosed politics.
The Pope had David Axelrod, Obama's.
Obama's from Chicago, Axelrod's from Chicago, the Pope was born in Chicago.
Some hard nosed liberal politics.
I think the president called it out.
Lambert did a magnificent job last night in CNN.
The panel was oh so shocked.
I want to start with, though, I think the most important political story in the country, the three most important to me are what's happening in Texas, what's happening in Georgia with these great patriots fighting the stolen 2020 election.
And I might add, and if my crack staff can pull it, the president of the United States, again, they're all over him on CNN and MSNBC today because he said outside the Oval, hey, certainly the 2020 election was stolen.
No doubt about it.
And people know it.
And there's all types of nefarious activities we're going to get to on this going after the deep state of things that are being released now by Tulsi, Gabbard, and DNI.
First and last of those, so you have Texas, Georgia, and of course you've got the Commonwealth of Virginia.
You've had a radical trained by the CIA that kind of came in very passive, very kind of wishy washy, middle of the road, centrist Democrat.
And as soon as she's elected, you see she's a Stalinist, not even a Marxist.
Or Leninist, she's a Stalinist.
And she's got this, they're putting up on the 23rd, I think is next Tuesday of 21 April.
I think it's 21st April, next Tuesday is the, yes, that's correct.
Seven days from now, so 14th, so it's 21st.
It's a proposition referendum in front of the citizens of Virginia about are they going to change the Constitution to allow redistricting?
And this is really the most grossest form of gerrymandering, as bad as what happened in Texas.
To turn Virginia, which is basically a roughly, let's say, a 52 48 state, to a from 6 5 Democrats to Republicans to 10 1.
That would, I'm not saying it was sure President Trump would get impeached, but it would take, would go a long way down the road.
And it's outrageous for many reasons.
We had the great chairman from Hanover County last night and was just extraordinary about his explanation of 56 rural counties in Virginia would essentially be, their representation would be taken away if this was passed.
And that's the whole.
Purpose of what these Democrats are doing.
Mo Bannon, Louise, Delois Stallman.
So, Delois, tell us first, and we're going to get to it.
We're going to have an event this Sunday in Hanover County.
We're going to give the addresses.
People are going to put up a website and an event, one of the, what is it, Eventbrite for people to sign up.
We'll have more details, but it's four to eight this coming Sunday.
And it's really a way for people to.
To come together, some camaraderie at the end of this very grinding early vote, but also to prepare and get ready for Tuesday, which is going to be game day.
So, Deloitte, first, tell us what's been happening, because I've been very inspired.
I think people around the country have.
You guys were outgunned with $50 million that the Democrats threw in.
Of course, the Republican establishment just kind of wandering around after they allowed the state to be, the GOP to be destroyed in last November's election.
The grassroots really picked this up and ran with it.
Tell this audience what has actually been going on, and why do you and myself and others believe this is a very inspirational story for the grassroots around the country?
Well, the voters in Virginia are pretty familiar with nonpartisan redistricting because five years ago we had a referendum on the ballot to add to the Constitution a nonpartisan commission.
And the pitch then from people like the League of Women Voters was let's end the longstanding practice of political gerrymandering and support this bill or this constitutional amendment.
So the lexicon of nonpartisan redistricting is fresh in the minds of Virginia voters.
So, once, as you say, Spanberger and those folks grabbed all elements of power, they decided that they would weaponize the vote of the Virginia voter and try to get back at Donald Trump for what they perceive as redistricting in other states that's unfair.
So, what we have to our advantage is a group of sort of seasoned grassroots people who have been ready to fight this.
But as you say, we're totally out financed.
I think it's up to 60 million.
And maybe the C4 promoting our side is like at 18 or so.
They've flooded the airwaves.
You literally cannot turn on anything here without seeing their yes side.
But the pitch from them really is just Orange Man bad, and we've got to get back at Texas.
And on our side, what we have is legitimate fairness.
I sent in a couple of maps that show what the spread of Republican and Democrat was in Latin America.
There you go.
So that's the spread of the voters in Virginia by party.
You can see we're overwhelmingly geographically conservatives.
And what they're looking to do is take the top couple of counties that are right outside of DC, which are Prince William and Fairfax counties, and they take those counties and they sort of slice them like a pie.
And each of those counties is contained in five separate congressional districts.
And they've snaked down into, so I would be in the eighth district.
York County is sucked into the eighth, but 60% of the voting populace will come from the top two counties and wash out completely the rest of the eighth district.
In the middle of this one, you'll see number seven, which everybody's calling the Lobster District.
And that Lobster Tail, which is up in Prince William and Fairfax County.
For the audience that doesn't listen to this on a podcast, but's watching, On one of our streaming services, Getter, Rumble, Real America's Voice, our channel.
Let's put that back up.
Denver, put it back up.
You don't need to look at me.
The audience, they're familiar with me.
Holy mackerel.
I've been doing this for a couple of years now with Alex DeGrasse.
Yeah, that's what they call a congressional district.
And what's more insulting is that what the question on the ballot actually says will you temporarily allow the general assembly?
To restore fairness to our elections.
So, this is their version of fair.
I mean, it all comes down to the definition of fair, I guess.
But again, where you see that lobster tail, that little sliver of two separate counties at the top, which are Fairfax and Prince William, each of those counties will get five congressmen.
Okay, so the audience around the nation knows what's going on.
Virginia used to be the Commonwealth of Virginia.
Now you've basically kind of got in the Civil War early days, the mountaineers were not quite in sync with the tidewater aristocrats.
And so West Virginia was broken off.
Virginia was a massive state.
West Virginia was broken off to a new state.
Now, in modernity, and particularly since Lyndon Johnson's, probably since World War II, but then really in the Great Society, Northern Virginia has really moved out.
Into the suburbs of Virginia, excuse me, Washington, D.C. has moved into Northern Virginia and has really become a different entity.
It's very, it's super globalist.
It's people from all over the world that kind of come here and live and get their citizenship in Virginia.
North of Fredericksburg is, it's just, it's a different entity, it's a different reality.
And now what this is trying to do is take all those federal employees, all those people associated with the feeding trough.
Of the deep state and statism.
And they're trying to maximize their vote versus what you heard last night from the great GOP chairman in Hanover County to really take away the 56 rural counties in Virginia and take their basically their voice away one man, one vote to put it into here.
And he's saying it if it works here, they're going to do it everywhere.
Now, Virginia, they've got this leverage of Northern Virginia.
Of which just crush it.
I mean, Deloitte, is that essentially what the Democrats are trying to do?
Use the most progressive areas, which is high density, very large populations, and use that to basically crush what we know as the Commonwealth of Virginia?
And this underscores what Jack said because my district, for example, is about an R plus three or R plus four.
I'm in the first congressional district.
And we will go from that to a D plus 18.
So the reason that I've been so frantic about this election in Virginia is because when we talk on, well, when you guys talk on the war room about how competitive we are for the midterms, if you go minus four congressmen in Virginia and you turn these districts into like D plus 12, D plus 18, Where they're not winnable at all.
They're just mathematically removed from the midterm math.
So, this is a critical election.
But, yes, what you see up there at the tail of the lobster, it's two counties, each of which will get five congressmen with their handout.
Number one, it's the immediate fact of this November.
You'll shift four.
Votes to the Democrats.
That will be, even on a great case and a great turnout day, that can make it very hard to hold the House in and of itself.
Then, what Jack Dyer was telling us last night is that it's a template to essentially destroy MAGA in the kind of populist nationalist movement, the grassroots movement throughout the country, because they're going to see what they've done to these rural counties by shifting it to more high density areas.
And the Democrats are going to understand that that's what they have to do, and they're going to be like a house of fire to do it.
Let me bring in.
Mark Daniel, Mark, you were GOP chair in New Kent County for a decade.
Now you're in the first congressional district.
Is that the redrawn map?
Because isn't Vinman, you know, the obnoxious Pence, the totally obnoxious Pence national security specialist who doesn't know anything, didn't know anything when she was in the White House.
She's announced she's running today in Virginia, I guess in Vinman's old district.
And Vinman's now going to be in, going to run in the first.
You're the chairman of the first.
Is that the new district that Vinman's going to run in?
Well, I mean, I think that they're shocked and they're very alarmed.
This money's not coming from Virginia, it's coming from out of the state.
And so if you rode through the first district, you'd see a bunch of different designs of signs and On the vote no side, what's really going on is these people are raising their own money.
They are grassroots activists, and that's why they're going to win because, I mean, they're raising their money with car washes and bake sales.
And I hear it every day on the telephone that they're thinking outside the box and being creative.
And the other side, if they start off, all their sides look the same because they're all being printed by the same people.
Not to mention the fact that Soros has put millions into this thing.
So the average person living in the hinterlands and in rural areas, they're trying to wake up, what nightmare.
Is descending upon us.
That's why we're going to fight this thing, Steve.
Do you agree with Jack Dyer from yesterday that if this basically takes the voice away from rural people, and if the Democrats are successful here, they're going to use this as a template as much as they can through the rest of the country?
Because people know that their policies and their personnel are totally rejected by folks in rural counties, and they've obviously gun decked the vote with these sanctuary cities.
And you can see up here in Northern Virginia, I'd like to know what percentage of the population is foreign born up there.
Is this a template that Soros and this crowd are going to use?
So, but people are in this state, this country, the good folks, and they're going to rise to the occasion and they're out, you know, talking to their neighbors.
That's what I'm hearing.
They call me and they come to my door and they say, We want signs.
It's not like we're trying to find people.
No, we're having trouble keeping up with the signs.
It's really awoken the grassroots and they're serious and they're ready to fight.
So, Deloitte, as a A thank you in a gathering for some camaraderie, but also to get very focused on the following Tuesday and also to talk about the stakes involved in November.
We're going to have this is all about the grassroots.
This is all about a thank you.
Also, to get organized, to have some strategic discussion.
In addition, I think we're going to bring a couple of personalities down there, but it's really to emphasize and to raise up all you grassroots warriors who have been at the tip of the spear of this, to let the country see that what is important here is not Hakeem Jeffries trying to buy himself a speakership, which he is trying to do.
I mean, he's a smart guy.
He sees in the Commonwealth of Virginia, hey, if I can pump $80 million of Soros's money and this other foreign money in there and take.
You know, pick up four seats, I might be speaker.
So let's do it.
It's going to be a lot cheaper to do it than do it in Illinois or New York City or even California because they strip down there about as much as they can get.
Mo, where do people go right now to get signed up and to get, you know, you got to get a ticket?
And we're going to cut there as soon as the ambassador shows up or as soon as we get a visual on the ambassador, Chinese ambassador, very big meeting today in the Oval Office.
We'll go there.
Shortly.
Cameron Kinsey, I've asked her to come.
She's going to join us.
There's all these rumors out there.
I tried to address them this morning.
Since obviously the government's going through restructuring, President Trump's trying to be much more efficient.
People say, hey, the IRS cut a bunch of guys.
They never returned the phone call, so we don't have to file.
Oh, contrary.
Silly people.
That's not true.
So Cameron's going to be on here from the first Trump term to explain that.
Well, I wasn't in politics until I started watching the war room and then I went from like zero to a thousand.
So I'm inspired by the people who are on our committees, by the people who are putting in their own money, buying their own signs, handing out their own handouts.
One of my top door knockers is almost 90 years old.
These are the people who caused me to get up and sit at the polls several days a week myself.
We are literally changing minds when I talk to voters.
They're confused because the language says, Would you like to restore fairness?
And then you have to show them the map and say, This isn't particularly fair, especially to York County.
So the first congressional district is leading in early voting turnout.
And if you look at the turnout maps, most of the rural counties are leading, and we need to not let our foot off the gas through Tuesday.
We're going to have people.
Doing calls all day on election day.
We're going to run a call center.
We are still calling, texting the first congressional district.
Like the lowest said, you know it's the grassroots.
They're the ones out there door knocking phone banking, sitting at the polls, and this is a thank you to you and also to motivate for the way ahead in November.
It's the eve of the Ides of April, and we've already dealt with you know, people are so enthusiastic about President Trump, they're saying, Hey, Trump says he's going to do away with income tax.
I guess I don't have to pay.
We keep telling people, No, that's not exactly what that's an aspirational goal.
But now there's a new rumor going around the Daily Mailhead that said, Because of budget cuts and reorganization and Doge, all this, there's nobody working at the IRS, so you don't have to file because they'll never catch you not filing.
I just want to put that second rumor to rest, also, ma'am.
And actually, no, they actually speed up enforcement because they're, they're trying to become more efficient with, with less people.
And look, we've been getting an influx of calls.
The deadline, as you know, Steve is tomorrow.
And the majority of people don't even know where to start.
They don't know what their resources are.
And I tell people all the time, the IRS isn't going to hand out these free resources or free advertisements for this, right?
Uh, we could do offers and compromise, hardship status requests, innocent spouse relief, but it's so important to talk to a professional.
About what options that you may have and that are available to you.
We have a robust team of CPAs, licensed attorneys, former IRS agents who know the tax code inside and out and know how to help you.
But a lot of these people wait until the last minute because they're too embarrassed to act.
They don't know what options are available.
They're stuffing those letters in a drawer, hoping that this goes away and the problem will continue to get worse.
Your options will become more limited after the deadline has passed and those penalties will begin to stack up, Steve.
So, again, I'm going to stress the war room posse because we love you guys.
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There's articles going around about the Gulf War and the blockade and talking about hyperinflation, currency devaluation, all of it.
I want to get into that in a moment.
But I want to go first.
So, at the semaphore kickoff to the semaphore conference, which really, Philip, as you know, it's trying to be Davos here, a World Economic Forum type event for financiers here in Washington, D.C. during the same week, I think, as the IMF meetings.
Scott Besant.
One of our contributors here for a number of years, Secretary of Treasury now was the opening speaker, and they had a QA with him, and they went through a whole laundry list of questions that people in finance want to, you know, need answers for, particularly about the war, oil prices, all of it.
But the host, Ben Smith, did ask him a question on currency and say, Hey, look, there's all these rumblings out there with the BRICS nations.
There's a lot of people, as you, you know, you try to take down the real, as you talk about, you know, economic warfare.
And, you know, IMF just had the gold assets versus the dollar based assets.
Are you concerned about the BRICS?
You're concerned about the dollar?
And say, hey, look, you know, I think it's been proven, or at least the way we're looking at Treasury, the first, you know, when it went to crisis, although the dollar was kind of taking a pounding, everybody started flocking back to the dollar in that kind of knee jerk reaction that they go for a safe haven.
I just want your take on this because this is absolutely essential.
And as this blockade becomes more and more evident, That it's forcing the Iranians back to the table and forcing the Chinese to the table.
I want your opinion on what the Secretary of Treasury said and its impact on central banks' decision to buy physical gold, sir.
Look, I think Besson made a good point, and it's a point that we've made as well.
If we're talking about short term liquidity, there's no better place than the US dollar.
And it's exactly what we saw with the initial invasion.
People panicked, and there was a flight to cash, and the US dollar picked up on the back of that.
Like I said, the concerning part of that trend, though, was typically we would see longer term borrowing rates come down as well as people flock to treasuries for a longer term hold.
We didn't see that this time at all, which tells us it's short term positioning.
Doesn't really change my perspective on longer term de dollarization at all.
As I've said from the beginning, I don't think this thing will be linear.
The dollar is the tallest midget in the room.
And in times of crisis, people will flock there.
However, longer term trends are still concerning, right?
Central banks are buying at record levels.
The single biggest quarter for gold buying in central bank history was the last fiscal quarter.
US dollar holdings by central banks still at 35 year lows.
So the trend is still de dollarization.
But yes, there was absolutely a move to cash, and the dollar is still the tallest midget in the room.
The question is how long we can maintain that status.
And my concern is the more things like this happen, the quicker that timeline escalates.
I want to, and we'll get to this after the break when we come back and talk about this article about hyperinflation devaluation.
I continue to tell people, I said, well, against this currency and this currency.
I said, yes, against other fiat currency, it is the world's tallest midget.
However, if you compare that to different other hard assets, particularly real estate and other investments like that, it doesn't stand up.
It looks very different when you compare it to other fiat currencies, certainly, but you compare it to other alternative investments where you can put your money.
Whether it's real assets or gold or other types of investments, it doesn't stand up as well, does it, sir?
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He's going to be up in front of the House, I think, budget committee on Thursday.
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