Bannon's War Room - WarRoom Battleground EP 982: Industrial Policy For The Intelligence Age; Stopping The H1NB Takeover
Aired: 2026-04-07
Duration: 49:38


=== Controlling The AI Narrative (14:38) ===

[00:00:08]  I'm Mike Allen, co-founder of Axios.
[00:00:10]  We're talking today to Sam Altman, co-founder and CEO of OpenAI.
[00:00:16]  We're talking about super intelligence, the models that they have coming and what DC and you need to do to get ready.
[00:00:24]  The companies developing this and the government have to work extremely closely together.
[00:00:29]  I don't think this works as like a standard or a company and you're the government.
[00:00:33]  There's going to have to be very, very deep partnership here.
[00:00:35]  But that's not happening now.
[00:00:38]  Well, we're trying.
[00:00:39]  I think we're working very closely with the government.
[00:00:41]  And how far are we from super intelligence?
[00:00:44]  How far are we from AGI, artificial general intelligence, human like capability?
[00:00:50]  We're close enough to AGI that the precise definition matters.
[00:00:53]  Some people would say we're already there.
[00:00:55]  Some people would say we're not there yet.
[00:00:57]  We're quite far along.
[00:00:58]  Like this is, we are in a new paradigm here of some sort.
[00:01:02]  So, Sam, in your new industrial policy, you're saying as vividly as you ever have, and in this interview, you're saying as vividly as you ever have that AI will transform every aspect of.
[00:01:13]  Of our lives, why should people trust you to be at the forefront of it and the most fundamental part of what it means to be human?
[00:01:21]  That's not going to transform at all.
[00:01:22]  And I think society may change in a lot of ways what it means to be a person, what it means to have a fulfilling life, how we choose to spend our time, what we really want.
[00:01:32]  We'll have more flexibility and more ability to achieve and to have a fulfilling life.
[00:01:36]  I think that's pretty deep and that's not going to change.
[00:01:39]  A lot of other things about the economy, the way society works, those may change a lot.
[00:01:45]  It's Easter Monday, 6 April, year of the Lord 2026.
[00:01:48]  Mark Beale joins us.
[00:01:49]  Joe Allen has got a few minutes before he's got a bolt.
[00:01:53]  Joe, we're fighting a war, Joe.
[00:01:55]  As you know, we spent a lot of time on this now for the last 30 days in the Middle East.
[00:01:59]  We talk about geopolitics, geoeconomics.
[00:02:01]  It's sucking up a lot of the airtime.
[00:02:03]  But there is a bigger and more important war going on in the imperial capital right now that is actually going to have a major impact on our species.
[00:02:11]  And that is this whole fight about artificial intelligence.
[00:02:15]  Every time that the oligarchs come up, David Saxon oligarchs come up, We shred them.
[00:02:20]  The populist nationalist movement shreds these people in conjunction with some of the progressives, but we shred them on really getting policy.
[00:02:28]  This framework they've put up has also been kind of shredded.
[00:02:32]  Now we got Altman coming forward with a whole industrial policy.
[00:02:36]  They're taking, I'm afraid to me, they're trying to take another kind of end run on this thing, saying we're almost there.
[00:02:43]  We have to have a deep partnership with the government.
[00:02:46]  If you don't support us, you're a Luddite.
[00:02:48]  Joe Allen, your thoughts and observations, sir.
[00:02:53]  Steve, it's definitely a fair read that they are doing everything possible.
[00:02:57]  They being OpenAI, but also more quietly, Google, definitely Anthropic and XAI.
[00:03:03]  Any AI company that is struggling to control the future is also going to have to control the politics around the technology.
[00:03:12]  And this AI industrial policy that's being put forward by OpenAI, this really is significant on a lot of levels, but one of the most significant is just purely on the level of ideas.
[00:03:24]  They're putting forward the idea that they are on the cusp of creating artificial super intelligence.
[00:03:31]  This is defined in a lot of different ways, but we'll just say an AI that is smarter than all human beings on the planet combined.
[00:03:39]  A God, a digital God.
[00:03:41]  And so, what are you going to do about it?
[00:03:43]  Then they go into the nuts and bolts of how you redistribute this radical abundance that they're predicting, how you will have to have the government watch these corporations to make sure their AIs don't go rogue and take over.
[00:03:57]  The country, take over the world, kill all these sorts of ideas are floating around.
[00:04:01]  So when they're saying super intelligence, they are affirming the goal to create a being that is more powerful than all human beings on earth.
[00:04:12]  That's, I think, something that people really need to grapple with as you have these same people pouring money into campaigns and various other sort of messaging operations around AI because they are trying to control the narrative.
[00:04:30]  As to what this digital god will be, what this digital god will mean for the population.
[00:04:37]  Another point that I think really needs to hit home here OpenAI acquired TBPN.
[00:04:43]  It's like a tech bro podcast that a lot of the tech people listen to.
[00:04:48]  This is an obvious attempt to reestablish narrative control on what this technology is and what it will do.
[00:04:57]  Another point that the audience really should understand is the money.
[00:05:01]  How is this money being spent?
[00:05:02]  Well, one example is Leading the Future, the super PAC that had $25 million put into it by Greg Brockman.
[00:05:11]  That super PAC is funding Byron Donalds in Florida, seemingly to counter signal Ron DeSantis' AI Bill of Rights.
[00:05:21]  They describe their operation as a way to educate Floridians on the benefits of AI in this, quote, magical era.
[00:05:31]  What they are doing is buying up as many politicians as they can.
[00:05:35]  And this is only just begun in order to ensure that whoever is in there and whatever controls are in place are going to benefit the AI companies first.
[00:05:46]  And I think it's really important that even if they're using these terms like human centered and people first, that the audience, which really doesn't need to be told this, but I guess to reaffirm to the audience, we have to support those candidates that are going to put humans first.
[00:06:06]  But Joe, you say the 25 million.
[00:06:08]  I think it's, there's another one that sprouted up.
[00:06:10]  It's 100 million.
[00:06:12]  I think two of the, in fact, the 25 million, I think, is 100 million now, too.
[00:06:15]  There's a couple of hundred million dollars that's out there to support candidates.
[00:06:19]  I noticed in Texas, they put some money in the back of it, sir.
[00:06:23]  Sorry, Steve.
[00:06:24]  Just to be really clear on that, that's 25 million from just Greg Brockman into leading the future.
[00:06:30]  They have right now 125 million.
[00:06:32]  Yes, yes.
[00:06:32]  25 million put in by Andreessen Horowitz, 25, some odd million put in by Joe Lonsdale, so on and so forth.
[00:06:39]  And then, You've got the Innovation Council Action, which is a nonprofit.
[00:06:43]  It's dark money, but reportedly they have $100 million to dedicate to pro AI messaging to hand to candidates and other social media influencers.
[00:06:57]  We had Raul Alfonso from Watch Dogs of Fort Meade.
[00:07:01]  It's just a local group that's sprung up out of nowhere because they realized they were getting rolled on a data center.
[00:07:09]  They live in a rural community.
[00:07:11]  The town is, and Joe, you've been to 1,000 of these towns, it's roughly 5,000 people in a rural area of Florida.
[00:07:18]  They want to rezone the agricultural land to put up a 4.4 million square foot data center, of which The developers that come have been totally non transparent on anything like who owns it, is it a foreign entity in back of it?
[00:07:32]  Can the Chinese get involved here?
[00:07:34]  Is this Meta or is it uh Elon Musk or who's really in back of this?
[00:07:40]  But these citizens are outraged.
[00:07:42]  I talk to these people every day, coming about the data centers taking up too much water, and and and and people have no earthly idea who's going to control it, how much power it's going to take, how it's going to mess up the grid.
[00:07:53]  People across the country are fighting back on this right now, and of course, the framework.
[00:07:58]  There was a huge focus on children's content, et cetera.
[00:08:02]  But the bigger issue, and that's what's so scary about Altman's industrial policy the central issue is there is no, they will fight to their death to have anything like an atomic energy commission that was set up to at least try to give some sort of rudimentary control over the nuclear power when it was quite nascent and we didn't realize both the total benefits from it and also what the downside was.
[00:08:32]  These oligarchs are absolutely maniacally obsessed with having total and complete control and also no transparency.
[00:08:40]  They don't want you to really understand.
[00:08:42]  They'll put out some gobbledygook, but they don't want you to understand what they're doing.
[00:08:46]  And so when Sam Maltman goes, you know, we got to be precise language, but this thing could be here like really quickly, as we told people.
[00:08:53]  Now they're saying, you got to be precise what you're talking about, but it's going to be here, but the abundance is going to be so enormous that you don't have to worry about it.
[00:09:03]  Aren't we now getting to like the nub of what the fight is?
[00:09:07]  Yeah.
[00:09:08]  And Steve, I'm very skeptical both of the claim that they're going to have God in a box anytime soon.
[00:09:14]  And also the claim that we're going to have radical abundance beyond just massive investment and so called economic productivity, which just translates into more and more profits for the CEOs themselves and for these corporations.
[00:09:27]  And as far as capturing the government, I think, you know, you look at Marsha Blackburn's Trump America AI act and in that bill, Blackburn calls for The Department of Energy to be central in overseeing the labs to make sure that what's happening inside is safe, just like they do with nuclear weapons now.
[00:09:51]  And then also to have DHS looking at any of the dangers that might be created, say, by rampant deep fakes or bots on the internet.
[00:10:00]  What the industrial policy suggestions that are being put forward by OpenAI are doing is focusing everything on the Center for AI Standards and Innovation, CASE.
[00:10:12]  It's unclear as to why, but if I had to imagine, it would be because Casey is still in a formative phase.
[00:10:19]  It's a year in almost, but over, I believe, but it's still very much in a formative phase.
[00:10:25]  They could possibly get control over that.
[00:10:28]  Pure speculation on my part.
[00:10:30]  But I think that those efforts that you just mentioned before on the ground to make sure data centers are not becoming a scourge in people's backyards and also at the state level to make sure that children.
[00:10:42]  Are protected from these systems, that they're not being induced into suicide or any other sort of bizarre sorts of behavior.
[00:10:49]  And at the national level, the real accountability that these companies should have, you do have the beginnings of the fight there.
[00:10:57]  That fight, Steve, beginning on the ground and moving its way up from the state to the federal level, that's not going to stop.
[00:11:03]  And you have more and more people from the left, from the right, independents, who are looking at this and they're saying, we are being sold a bill of goods.
[00:11:13]  In religious language, they're building a digital god, sand gods.
[00:11:17]  We don't buy it.
[00:11:18]  We don't believe in it.
[00:11:20]  We're not going to kneel to that digital god.
[00:11:22]  I think that that uprising from all sorts of political leanings is going to be a form, it's a formidable opponent in this.
[00:11:31]  We don't have the money that they have, but we have the people.
[00:11:35]  And I think that will win the day.
[00:11:37]  No.
[00:11:39]  It transcends traditional politics.
[00:11:41]  I can tell this already.
[00:11:42]  And you have it.
[00:11:43]  It's the one topic we have that there is a huge fight at every level.
[00:11:47]  The grassroots local community, I mean, towns of 5,000 fighting the most powerful oligarchs in the world and taking them to planning commissions, to zoning commissions, right?
[00:11:57]  It's like back to New England before the revolution, right?
[00:12:01]  You have it at the very most local level, you have it at the state level, you have it at the federal level.
[00:12:07]  You also got all the corporations involved, et cetera.
[00:12:10]  So it's a multi level fight, but this transcends traditional politics.
[00:12:14]  I can tell that.
[00:12:15]  Already.
[00:12:16]  Humans first, you guys are on a roll.
[00:12:18]  Where do people go for your new group that you're launching to get right into the middle of this fight, Joe?
[00:12:24]  And where can people get your writings?
[00:12:26]  And I definitely want people to read the industrial policy, and then I'm going to play more of the Mike Allen interview with Altman later in the week.
[00:12:35]  Where can people go to get it?
[00:12:36]  I want to immerse people in this information.
[00:12:40]  The audience, if they want to really keep track of where this money is going, the audience should go to humansfirst.com forward slash AI spending.
[00:12:50]  That's right at the top of my social media at J O E B O T X Y Z.
[00:12:57]  It maps out what we know now of where the money's coming from, who it's going to, who they're trying to primary.
[00:13:04]  And it's nonpartisan, so you can get a really good idea beyond the politics who is taking money from these big AI corporations.
[00:13:11]  So again, that's humansfirst.com forward slash AI.
[00:13:14]  AI spending and the link for your convenience, right at the top of my social media at JOE BOT XYZ.
[00:13:20]  And if I could just add one last thing, Steve, go to the sublime.
[00:13:23]  These people with the data centers springing up everywhere, they need to understand what the ultimate goal is.
[00:13:28]  And in the article also published today by Ronan Farrow in the New Yorker on Sam Altman, there's a quote from a former open AI executive discussing the building of data centers in the UAE and the massive Abu Dhabi campus that's supposed to be seven times larger than Central Park.
[00:13:46]  And the OpenAI executive, the former OpenAI executive said, The truth of this is we're building portals from which we're genuinely summoning aliens.
[00:13:56]  Now, what he means by that is that these companies are creating a non human form of cognition that they want to impose on every sector of society quote unquote, alien intelligence.
[00:14:09]  I think that just that notion alone, whether you think of it in sci fi terms or not, that notion alone should alarm you.
[00:14:16]  You should know they have the money.
[00:14:18]  To impose their will if you are not vigilant and pushing back on it.
[00:14:21]  So again, humansfirst.com forward slash AI dash spending.
[00:14:29]  What did Joe Allen teach us early on?
[00:14:30]  Summoning the demon.
[00:14:31]  Joe Allen, thank you.
[00:14:33]  Magnificent work, sir.
[00:14:35]  Thank you, Steve.
[00:14:36]  Incredible.
[00:14:38]  No, you're using your human agency here, and probably one of the most important, if not the most important, fight that your species has ever had.

=== Economic Threats To Public Trust (10:46) ===

[00:14:47]  Not your community, not your family, not your country, right?
[00:14:51]  Not your civilization, the entire species.
[00:14:55]  Mark Beal, AI Policy Network.
[00:14:59]  Tell us just.
[00:15:01]  Get us an update, a situation report on this huge fight because you've been one of the tips, you're the tip of the spear in this thing.
[00:15:08]  Where do you think we stand right now?
[00:15:09]  I mean, I am much more optimistic, although the forces against us are so overwhelming because they have so much money and so much power.
[00:15:19]  We've punched way above our weight, and I think we've given more than we've taken here, right?
[00:15:24]  Or we've taken, you know, we've taken some great shots and landed some big blows, and these guys have had to start to maneuver, try to maneuver around us, sir.
[00:15:33]  I think that's right, Steve, and hope you had a blessed Easter.
[00:15:36]  Thanks to folks like you, like the War Room posse, the tech industry has been, I think, forced to think about compromises.
[00:15:45]  And it's looking at the fact that now on five state ballots, data center moratoriums are going to be voted on.
[00:15:52]  12 other states have put proposed laws to actually flat out ban them.
[00:15:58]  And the public is turning very much against this idea that AI is going to be good for them.
[00:16:05]  And of course, you know, after the last year of the industry trying to basically move forward without any rules or regulations, they were defeated.
[00:16:12]  And now it's a critical moment.
[00:16:14]  We have a midterm election coming up.
[00:16:16]  AI is growing, probably, it's growing the most out of any issue on the campaign trail in terms of salience in the mind of the voters.
[00:16:24]  And people realize that compromise is going to have to happen here unless the public really turns away from what's going on.
[00:16:31]  And remember, there are $700 billion being invested just this year.
[00:16:36]  On data centers.
[00:16:37]  That's a lot of money at stake in a context against which the public is simply not with them.
[00:16:45]  We have, how do I state this?
[00:16:49]  If you look at the budget that was just put forward by President Trump and his team, and if you look at the investment, where investment dollars are going into manufacturing, where investment dollars, capital, where capital is going into what we would consider industrial production.
[00:17:09]  Right now, the business model of the United States is where a highly leveraged bet.
[00:17:16]  On artificial intelligence, a highly leveraged bet on artificial intelligence.
[00:17:21]  If this $700 billion, remember this is like the annual number, if this doesn't pay out, and right now the way they want it to pay out is have total control.
[00:17:30]  So they know there's got to be some compromise.
[00:17:33]  This is just going to lead to an economic.
[00:17:35]  They talk about radical abundance and you hear all this happy talk, but you just look at the math, right?
[00:17:42]  And particularly what they're going to need as far as capital resources because they don't have as much money as they have, they don't have enough.
[00:17:48]  To do what they want to accomplish.
[00:17:50]  Somehow that's going to have to come from the taxpayers, from the little guy is going to have to give you their loan guarantees or there's going to be something involved here.
[00:17:59]  So their arrogance, and I think their arrogance was driven because they came to DC, Mark, and they looked around and said, well, these people are a bunch of mediocre losers, right?
[00:18:09]  And that's why they're in DC, that's why they're in government.
[00:18:13]  And we're the masters of the universe, and we're just going to tell them what Hal does.
[00:18:18]  They forgot that the American people, as mediocre as maybe some of these people in DC are, They do represent the American people, and the American people are not buying this.
[00:18:27]  They're not buying radical abundance.
[00:18:29]  They're not buying that these oligarchs have their best interests in mind.
[00:18:32]  They see every time it comes to meet them where they live in their lived experience, they see they're getting screwed in a big way, and it's fundamentally changing.
[00:18:41]  That's why we're all over this situation in Fort Meade, Florida, a little town of 5,500 people with a 4.4 million data center that they refuse to give any information about, and they just want to build it.
[00:18:53]  And people just had enough of it, and they say, No, we're not going to allow this to happen.
[00:18:56]  You've seen this.
[00:18:57]  On Capitol Hill with these first couple of bills.
[00:19:00]  How do you see this playing out?
[00:19:03]  You're right.
[00:19:03]  This is a massive bet, but unlike what happened in the dot com boom, these companies are making money.
[00:19:09]  They're just not profitable yet.
[00:19:11]  And so every billion dollars they're investing, they're expecting a return of $10 billion.
[00:19:17]  And some of those numbers are starting to come in.
[00:19:19]  The revenue is starting to come in, but will it be enough?
[00:19:21]  And what's the timing and sequencing of all of this?
[00:19:24]  Because in the end game, the bet is they will be able to automate fully most parts of the economy.
[00:19:29]  And as a result, AI will be doing, you know, the lion's share of the productive activity.
[00:19:34]  You made another really important point, and that is the investments in AI are contributing now to entire percentage points of GDP growth.
[00:19:43]  And so I could see from the perspective of some people in the White House that anything to disrupt that in a campaign year like this one is risky.
[00:19:51]  And you don't want to see the economy start to falter in a big way.
[00:19:56]  But at the same time, it's just the reality of the situation that the public is not with us.
[00:20:01]  And we know as Americans that claims of utopia.
[00:20:05]  We're just skeptical of them.
[00:20:06]  We are grounded in our American founding principles, they are grounded in human nature.
[00:20:11]  We look at history.
[00:20:12]  We look at what happened in the Roman Republic.
[00:20:13]  We look at what happened even in the Bolshevik Revolution when the workers' paradise was promised.
[00:20:19]  And we know that when that utopia was promised, it ended in the gulag.
[00:20:22]  And we don't want to see that happen to ourselves and to our families.
[00:20:26]  And so I think the other thing that's important to remember, though, is that this could be an incredibly beneficial technology if properly steered.
[00:20:33]  And I think the tech industry overplayed its hand when it tried to move forward without any rules.
[00:20:38]  Now, if we can get the rules of the road right, we can protect the middle class, we can assure their economic viability in the future, we might be able to unlock an incredibly prosperous future for all Americans.
[00:20:50]  And that's going to be some work that we're going to have to engineer that outcome.
[00:20:53]  And under current conditions, I'm not confident that our colleagues here in DC are kind of waking up to this yet.
[00:21:01]  You're one of the ones steering this.
[00:21:03]  So let's take the.
[00:21:04]  So we defeated AI Amnesty once, we defeated it twice.
[00:21:08]  They then got an executive order that led to the framework.
[00:21:11]  The framework came out.
[00:21:12]  I think most of the framework's dead on arrival.
[00:21:16]  So, where do we actually stand right now?
[00:21:18]  You got Blackburn's bill, you got other aspects they're doing.
[00:21:22]  You got states, it's on state ballots.
[00:21:24]  So, their worst nightmare is that states are going to enforce this.
[00:21:28]  Where do you think we stand overall for a federal regulation right now?
[00:21:32]  Some sort of least modicum of a federal regulatory apparatus that would help make everybody feel better, not just on the children's content, but also on the main event, which is exactly.
[00:21:45]  Where this is going and about transparency of where the frontier labs are going.
[00:21:52]  It doesn't seem likely to me that, at least under current conditions, there's any prospect of federal legislation moving forward.
[00:22:00]  It's unfortunate reality or fortunate, depending on who you ask.
[00:22:04]  But the issue is now very toxic.
[00:22:06]  And Democrats are probably looking at this and saying, why would we compromise right now?
[00:22:11]  The public is against you.
[00:22:12]  You've taken all these very unpopular positions, and we are about to win the midterms.
[00:22:16]  And so, why would we negotiate now?
[00:22:18]  We're going to wait until the endgame.
[00:22:19]  And so, I think there's going to be a lot of pressure on Republicans to try to move something.
[00:22:23]  Unfortunately, there's just no votes.
[00:22:26]  And it's not looking good.
[00:22:28]  It's going to look another year of gridlock, and nothing's going to happen in D.C., and the states are going to continue to do what they need to do to protect their citizens.
[00:22:37]  Is the gridlock actually going to benefit the oligarchs?
[00:22:40]  I mean, because they've got another year of which nothing happens.
[00:22:44]  So, from a perverse incentive, that's not the worst thing in the world for them, right?
[00:22:49]  Because they feel they can fight these state regulations in some manner.
[00:22:53]  If the federal regulation is a year or two away, according to Altman, we may be at AGI by that time.
[00:23:00]  Yeah, I think that's a great question.
[00:23:02]  I think the industry's talking points have said basically that we can't have this framework of 50 different state regulations that's going to really affect our business, et cetera.
[00:23:12]  And they've been pushing for a strong national standard.
[00:23:15]  And for many years, that strong national standard was no standard at all.
[00:23:18]  They were forced to the table, and now they want to negotiate and they've put out some ideas, but they haven't been very strong.
[00:23:25]  But the idea that these billion dollar companies can't deal with state regulation is, I think, a little bit of a red herring.
[00:23:30]  I think they.
[00:23:31]  Are going to be perfectly fine in dealing with a lot of this.
[00:23:33]  But really, it's time to, I think, kind of move the conversation of like, what is it that we really want to see done?
[00:23:40]  And how are we going to really protect families?
[00:23:42]  And I think that that's the conversation that needs to happen now.
[00:23:45]  The other thing I thought, I think there's another interesting dynamic when Mr. Ullman and OpenAI releases this policy.
[00:23:52]  I think, in some respects, many of these guys are true believers.
[00:23:55]  They do believe that they're building this incredibly powerful technology that's going to fundamentally transform society.
[00:24:01]  And in some cases, like a cry for help.
[00:24:02]  It's like, please, we're trying to work with a government.
[00:24:06]  To get this right, because we think it could be really beneficial.
[00:24:09]  And the government's sort of asleep at the helm, and they're not really willing to work with us.
[00:24:14]  And at the same time, they're dealing with their own workforce who want to see stronger guardrails in some respects than the executives.
[00:24:21]  So when these policies come out, there's a lot of internal negotiation between the executives, the C suite, and the rank and file workers over this.
[00:24:29]  And those rank and file workers are some of the most well paid and highly educated workforce in the entire world, and they have a lot of leverage right now.
[00:24:36]  And so the companies have to kind of listen to them.
[00:24:39]  So kind of looking around the corner, it's really important to note that OpenAI is talking about super intelligence and putting out a concrete policy proposal.
[00:24:46]  They're talking about things like the right for everyone to use an AI system.
[00:24:50]  They're talking about social safety nets.
[00:24:53]  This is kind of like happening the same time as Goldman Sachs just releasing a report that says AI is costing about $25,000 or 25,000 jobs per month now, and Gen Z is very limited economic prospects in the near future.
[00:25:07]  And the bottom line is like, we don't know exactly what the future, like the contours of the future will look like.
[00:25:11]  We know there's a tidal wave off the coast of the country and it's, it's at least 100 meters tall and we need to start buttoning down the hatches.
[00:25:20]  Mark, where do people go to get more of this information you just talked about and where do they find out more about you and your policy network?
[00:25:27]  So, we're the AI Policy Network, theaipn.orgslash membership.

=== Breaking The Petrodollar System (03:15) ===

[00:25:33]  You can join up and join the movement.
[00:25:36]  We're pro human.
[00:25:37]  We want to see human flourishing in the age of intelligence.
[00:25:40]  And we're working really hard to make that happen.
[00:25:42]  And then, personally, I'm at Mark Beale on X, and you're welcome to follow me there too.
[00:25:49]  Thank you for joining us today.
[00:25:50]  And thank you for being one of the leaders of this fight.
[00:25:53]  We're winning.
[00:25:54]  The question is, are we winning quickly enough?
[00:25:57]  Because advances in the technology may be overcoming everything.
[00:26:02]  I'll make sure I go through the night and I'll come back.
[00:26:04]  I'll get Grace and Mo.
[00:26:06]  We'll put up a lot of this information.
[00:26:07]  A lot of it's over at Joe Allen's.
[00:26:09]  Also, just amazing.
[00:26:11]  You got to immerse yourself in this because you can tell the war in Posse is already, we already had a bunch of these wins because of you.
[00:26:17]  You saw these folks down in Fort Meade, Florida.
[00:26:22]  Birch Gold, there's so much happening in capital markets right now.
[00:26:26]  A quiet day.
[00:26:27]  Part of that's Easter Monday.
[00:26:29]  The other part of it, I think a lot of people are waiting and seeing what actually develops in the situation with the Persians.
[00:26:35]  Now, more than ever, shouldn't be lost on you that this fee that these kind of pirates running Hormuz are charging, they're charging in Chinese currency.
[00:26:46]  They're trying to break the petrodollar.
[00:26:48]  By breaking the petrodollar, they think they can break the US dollar.
[00:26:52]  You need to find out about that.
[00:26:53]  End of the dollar empire, birchgold.com, promo code Bannon.
[00:26:58]  Go check it out today.
[00:26:58]  The book's on back order.
[00:27:01]  Because we ran it with such an overwhelming demand.
[00:27:02]  But the eighth free installment is free and available today at Birch Gold.
[00:28:40]  Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
[00:28:47]  Some more on artificial intelligence tomorrow.

=== Healing Salves And Sacred Ingredients (04:11) ===

[00:28:49]  We're going to get some information to you guys to immerse yourself some more because these victories have been your victories.
[00:28:56]  That's why people like in Fort Meade, the folks came to us and said, Hey, can you please give us a voice here?
[00:29:01]  I said, Hell yeah, we'll do that.
[00:29:03]  Trevor Comstock, it's been a long, tough day.
[00:29:06]  It's been a long, tough Easter Monday.
[00:29:08]  We thought we would just be covering the president and the first lady at the Easter egg hunt on the South Lawn.
[00:29:15]  That didn't happen.
[00:29:16]  We've been at it all day.
[00:29:18]  Press conference, war and the rumors of war, everything on artificial intelligence.
[00:29:23]  And as soon as you're off, we're about to go to H 1B visas, the nationwide problem, but specifically focus on our beloved Texas.
[00:29:31]  So, what do you got for us?
[00:29:34]  I want to have this part of the show to be upbeat and affirming.
[00:29:38]  What do you got for us, sir?
[00:29:40]  Yeah, great to see you, Steve.
[00:29:42]  And thank you for having me.
[00:29:43]  So, today I definitely wanted to highlight our sacred healing salve just because we've We've been having some amazing reviews coming in over the last few weeks from people that have been just having great success with it in regards to healing their burns and scrapes very fast, as well as healing a lot of joint pain and muscle cramps that they've been struggling with for a while.
[00:30:02]  So it's a very unique and effective product, but what really makes it effective is due to the organic comfrey, which is the main ingredient.
[00:30:10]  And comfrey's just been used for centuries to support things like pain relief, inflammation, bruising, and even tissue repair.
[00:30:17]  So a lot of people love to use it for things like sore muscles, joint pain.
[00:30:21]  Pain, sprain, swelling, as well as arthritis support.
[00:30:24]  So basically, you just take a little bit, you rub it onto any area of your body that needs relief.
[00:30:29]  And then we pair the comfrey with other nourishing herbs to help suit things like the cuts, the scrapes, the burns, as well as the insect bites.
[00:30:37]  So, like I said, it's an incredibly powerful and versatile product.
[00:30:42]  And again, if you do struggle with things like muscle pain, muscle soreness, or you have some burns and scrapes, this is an organic product that heals a lot of those things pretty fast and provides lasting relief.
[00:30:55]  So A little bit definitely goes a long way.
[00:30:57]  And just like all of our other products, we don't include anything synthetic, no chemicals or anything like that.
[00:31:02]  And it is made by our small team in Idaho.
[00:31:05]  And we always promise to source the highest grade ingredients possible.
[00:31:08]  So, like I mentioned, the reviews have been really phenomenal.
[00:31:11]  We also get a lot of email feedback that's been amazing.
[00:31:14]  So, I just wanted to touch on that product because I know I don't talk about it a whole lot often.
[00:31:20]  I want to make sure people go to the site, just like Tage and the Warpath Coffee, they go to the site, find out more about these individual products, and then have.
[00:31:30]  Communication with you and the staff.
[00:31:32]  So, where are they going?
[00:31:33]  But here's the reason, folks.
[00:31:35]  Trevor, you know, he came to this idea starting the company, and we backed him on it.
[00:31:39]  And we said, hey, it's American made, it's American ingredients, it's handcrafted.
[00:31:45]  Trevor is so thorough in doing the RD and product development.
[00:31:50]  That's why I go to a lot of these places, they have 100 products from day one, he doesn't.
[00:31:53]  This is all kind of rolled out.
[00:31:55]  But we can tell us the success by the audience feedback and customer retention, people coming back and not just.
[00:32:01]  Buying the product again and again, but also buying other products.
[00:32:05]  People love this.
[00:32:05]  So, I want people, I want these customers to really get to know you and the company.
[00:32:10]  So, where do they go to do that?
[00:32:12]  Yeah, of course.
[00:32:12]  So, you go to sacredhumanhealth.com and then you can always use code warroom for 10% off any one time order.
[00:32:18]  If you do subscribe to any of the products, you also get 10% off.
[00:32:22]  You can cancel at any time.
[00:32:24]  And, like you had mentioned, if you have any questions, you can just hit the contact us button and then we'll get back to you as soon as we can.
[00:32:30]  We're always checking those emails and making sure we get back to people as fast as we possibly can.
[00:32:37]  Thank you, brother.
[00:32:38]  Fantastic job, Trevor.
[00:32:40]  Thank you.
[00:32:43]  Go check it out today and talk to Trevor and the team.
[00:32:47]  Rosemary Jenks, Rosemary, when we went to Texas to work on the situation with Sharia law, and I told people what I think we were able to accomplish, because there are so many great grassroots people down there and so many people working on this.

=== Foreign Students Versus American Jobs (15:32) ===

[00:33:01]  We gave people a permission structure to actually be able to talk about this topic, and then it just exploded.
[00:33:06]  Now we had almost 2 million votes on the referendum during the primary, people all over it.
[00:33:13]  We got a big meeting tomorrow in Texas on the Education Board.
[00:33:17]  People are just, you know, they're now engaged in this.
[00:33:20]  But when we went down and spent the two months prior to the primary, when I got down there, particularly in these cities north of the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex, as we went around and visited people and talked to people, I said, Yo, the Sharia law thing is bad.
[00:33:35]  But right next, right below it, that people want to talk about is H 1B visas.
[00:33:40]  It's just incredible.
[00:33:41]  So a filmmaker named Tyler Olivera has made a film.
[00:33:48]  We're going to put it up.
[00:33:49]  I strongly recommend people watch it.
[00:33:52]  And it's got, look, it's got some rough moments to it.
[00:33:54]  It's like the Nick Shirley's and the Nick Sautour's.
[00:33:57]  These guys are out there in the field.
[00:33:58]  Let's go and play.
[00:33:59]  I just want to start the film, play the opening clip, and then I want to bring you in, Rosemary.
[00:34:05]  I came here on H1B 2004.
[00:34:07]  Everybody was Americans.
[00:34:08]  But fast forward now, you don't see any Americans.
[00:34:11]  This is Frisco, Texas.
[00:34:13]  A once quiet farm town turned home to one of the largest and fastest growing Indian communities in America.
[00:34:19]  As the Indian population exploded from less than 2% to almost 20% Indian in the last 20 years, many Texans are outraged, declaring there has been an Indian invasion.
[00:34:31]  I pulled up to the Frisco Town Hall meeting, witnessed the clash of heritage Texans.
[00:34:36]  And their new Indian neighbors.
[00:34:38]  Where are you from?
[00:34:39]  Hyderabad.
[00:34:40]  Hyderabad.
[00:34:40]  I'm from India.
[00:34:41]  I'm from India.
[00:34:42]  Where in India?
[00:34:42]  Hyderabad?
[00:34:43]  Why do you think Frisco became such a big hub for Indians?
[00:34:46]  They have their own community here.
[00:34:47]  No, it's not like that.
[00:34:48]  Not like that here in Frisco?
[00:34:49]  No.
[00:34:50]  Motherland India or Texas USA?
[00:34:52]  Obviously, Motherland India.
[00:34:53]  Obviously, Motherland India.
[00:34:54]  Hyderabad, of course.
[00:34:56]  Brilliant.
[00:34:56]  Did you come here on H 1B?
[00:34:57]  Yeah.
[00:34:58]  I'm on H 1B.
[00:34:59]  H 1B?
[00:34:59]  Yeah.
[00:35:00]  You're H 1B?
[00:35:00]  Yeah.
[00:35:01]  Working here at 7 Eleven?
[00:35:02]  Yeah.
[00:35:02]  We need more or less H 1B people here?
[00:35:04]  We need a lot less.
[00:35:05]  I have two master's degrees.
[00:35:07]  I was making over $100,000 a year.
[00:35:09]  They said, you're too expensive.
[00:35:10]  We're going to hire Indians.
[00:35:11]  If residents don't wake up, you could eventually have an entire Indian city council here because they're showing up to the voting polls and they're getting their people in.
[00:35:18]  If we give this up, we're doomed.
[00:35:20]  The devil would say, well, you're racist.
[00:35:22]  That's racist.
[00:35:23]  According to the devil's dictionary definition of the term, I am racist.
[00:35:26]  I came here on H1B.
[00:35:28]  When did you come?
[00:35:29]  2004.
[00:35:29]  I was only one Indian in Antarctica.
[00:35:32]  Everybody was Americans.
[00:35:33]  But fast forward now, if you go to my work, any other places, you don't see any Americans.
[00:35:38]  I got laid off 20 years ago.
[00:35:39]  I worked in IT.
[00:35:40]  I have two masters.
[00:35:41]  Agree.
[00:35:42]  How much do you think they pay the H 1B replacement?
[00:35:45]  Well, at the time, you know, 20 years ago, they paid him probably half what I made.
[00:35:48]  I haven't been able to find a job in IT since, and it's really sad.
[00:35:51]  My name is Shree.
[00:35:53]  My name is Inba.
[00:35:54]  My name is Otto.
[00:35:56]  My name is Siddharth.
[00:35:57]  Hi, my name is Dreki.
[00:35:59]  This is insurrection.
[00:36:00]  This is the overthrow of the United States government.
[00:36:03]  Why are people with multiple H 1B companies registered to one address donating to Frisco's first Indian mayor?
[00:36:09]  If these were truly high skilled Germans or Poles, we'd welcome the NF.
[00:36:12]  Positive.
[00:36:13]  I urge the council to reject such a rhetoric that divides residents based on where they came from.
[00:36:18]  Every person in this room right now, their ancestors have come from a different country, a different continent.
[00:36:24]  It seems like there's a lot of Indian people that are opening up their own companies and they have H 1B.
[00:36:29]  So, are they using that to bring people over?
[00:36:31]  Are they possibly running laptop farms out of their houses and having employees from India do work?
[00:36:37]  I mean, there's so many different questions.
[00:36:38]  H 1Bs are the scapegoats, the employers, those are the people who have to investigate it.
[00:36:42]  If we turn away from God and the word of God, if we worship these Indians, they've Somalis, if we just give everything to them, willing to cut your own throat, we'll die.
[00:36:51]  So what do I think about H1B or whatever?
[00:36:54]  I don't want to go to hell.
[00:36:55]  I do not want to go to hell.
[00:36:59]  Rosemary, and I don't want to hear about, oh, we're now charging them $100,000.
[00:37:03]  The company's $100,000, cutting it back.
[00:37:05]  We need, there is no, this program is only used by corporations to suppress wages of tech workers and get rid of American tech workers and bring in foreign tech workers.
[00:37:19]  Full stop.
[00:37:20]  This is an abomination, ma'am.
[00:37:22]  In this film, you're so angry at the end of this.
[00:37:26]  What you want to do is fire a politician.
[00:37:28]  You want to fire the people that have supported this.
[00:37:30]  Rosemary Jenks.
[00:37:32]  Yeah, well, that's absolutely true.
[00:37:33]  And apparently, it's also supporting 7 Elevens.
[00:37:36]  But yeah, this is the donor class ruling Congress.
[00:37:40]  And it's not the people in Frisco who are to blame for this.
[00:37:45]  It's Congress.
[00:37:46]  Congress allowed this.
[00:37:48]  The H 1B visa was created as a temporary three year visa.
[00:37:53]  Within a few years, Congress decided that H 1B visa holders could stay indefinitely and bring their families here if they could find an employer who could sponsor them.
[00:38:05]  So, you know, these.
[00:38:06]  Folks have been here on an H 1B visa, a three year visa for decades, and they can bring their families.
[00:38:13]  That is ridiculous.
[00:38:14]  A temporary visa should be temporary.
[00:38:17]  If we are going to allow any H 1B visa holders into the United States, they should be here for three years and then they should leave.
[00:38:25]  And you know what?
[00:38:26]  If we did that and if they couldn't bring their families with them, they would be a whole lot less attractive to employers because employers would have to train a new H 1B worker every three years and it would be cheaper to just hire an American.
[00:38:40]  So, I mean, this whole system, the fraud in it, the overwhelming numbers of people coming through this pipeline.
[00:38:50]  And remember, a lot of H 1Bs start here as foreign students, then they get OPT, which the government subsidizes the employers of foreign graduate students over Americans.
[00:39:01]  And then they get H 1B visas, and then they just stay for decades.
[00:39:05]  That is not the purpose of a temporary guest worker program.
[00:39:09]  So, yes, we should absolutely eliminate the H 1B program, but If the donor class will not allow Congress to do that, the very least we have to do is make it a temporary visa again.
[00:39:27]  You have 12 million tech workers in this country, the people that did everything right, that have worked hard since they were in grammar school or grade school to make sure they got into computer science in these hard tech, double E, these hard tech areas in colleges.
[00:39:43]  Then many of them went to grad schools.
[00:39:45]  These American workers are the ones, 12 million are not in the workforce right now.
[00:39:49]  The reason is that we've overwhelmed the system with foreign workers because of cheaper wages and the fact, That they'll put up with more than American workers are prepared to put up.
[00:40:01]  So, when you say the donor class, what is it going to take to strike at the heart of this?
[00:40:05]  You've been working this problem for a while.
[00:40:07]  I know you've got certain solutions out there, but if you wanted to eradicate, because no one, maybe they've shown you, but this film says they're H 1B visas, they're using them for 7 Eleven, for guys running 7 Elevens.
[00:40:21]  The whole thing's a scam.
[00:40:22]  It's not close to being not a scam.
[00:40:25]  That's pure fraud, right?
[00:40:27]  But the thing is repeat fraud, including.
[00:40:30]  Over in India, where they're recruiting these people, they'll tell you a lot of these people won't even have degrees.
[00:40:35]  So, what is it going to take to get to the heart of this and shut the entire thing down and embarrass and humiliate people that, hey, you're not going to get to Congress, you're not going to get reelected, you're not going to get back in if you support H 1B visas and things like OPT?
[00:40:51]  It's outrageous that American parents are sitting there and understand their kids coming out with getting more limited opportunities every day because of artificial intelligence and tech now have to.
[00:41:03]  Have a situation where the US government's underwriting foreign students in the engineering and computer science field that take priority because we underwrite it, take priority over American kids at these companies because they're underwritten and they can just slide into an H 1B visa, ma'am.
[00:41:23]  Yeah, I mean, this is the problem, Steve.
[00:41:25]  This is all about cheap labor.
[00:41:27]  All the way through the pipeline, it's about cheap labor.
[00:41:30]  So until we make it so that it is more expensive to hire a foreign worker than an American.
[00:41:38]  Congress is going to keep listening to the donors who are telling Congress, we won't be able to survive.
[00:41:44]  Our company won't survive if we don't have cheap foreign labor.
[00:41:47]  Well, you know, Steve, if we could put into place even a temporary solution to this so that we could show Congress that nobody's going to go out of business if they can't have a cheap foreign H 1B worker, and then we could actually say, okay, see, nothing happened.
[00:42:05]  We didn't have Armageddon, nothing fell apart.
[00:42:08]  And then we could end the program.
[00:42:10]  I don't, I just don't see Congress, you know, we're seeing increasing numbers of members of Congress listening to the problems.
[00:42:18]  And some of them have children who have gone to college and studied in tech fields and now can't find jobs.
[00:42:25]  And that's helping us.
[00:42:27]  But it's so slow.
[00:42:28]  I mean, Congress is always so slow to get on the ball.
[00:42:33]  But we've got to do something.
[00:42:34]  And, you know, if we could get a partial fix to this, I would take it because that's, At least a few American workers who are going to be better off than right now.
[00:42:44]  But the situation, the status quo is completely unsustainable.
[00:42:49]  It is devastating American workers.
[00:42:52]  It's got to stop.
[00:42:53]  And I think we will be able to at least start the process of fixing it this year.
[00:43:03]  Is the, is the, what President Trump and Lutnick came up with paying the $100,000, has that had much of an impact at all?
[00:43:10]  That they've got to pay a bigger, essentially, license fee to get the HB1 workers in?
[00:43:15]  Has that, has that stunted this program at all?
[00:43:18]  It has scared a lot of the employers, but the problem is if those employers can get their H 1Bs through the foreign student program or for through the OPT program, they bypass that $100,000 fee.
[00:43:31]  So, I mean, The problem is, the president did what he is authorized to do.
[00:43:37]  He can only do that with new admissions.
[00:43:41]  Congress should come in and say that $100,000 fee applies across the board to every H 1B visa.
[00:43:49]  Congress should also say it's a three year visa.
[00:43:52]  You don't get to bring your family.
[00:43:54]  You come for three years and then you leave.
[00:43:56]  Congress should also cut out all the exemptions to the cap and lower the cap.
[00:44:01]  Congress should also say if you get an H 1B visa, you can't.
[00:44:06]  Adjust your status within the United States to anything else.
[00:44:09]  You have to leave, period, full stop.
[00:44:11]  Same thing if you come as a foreign student.
[00:44:13]  When you graduate, you leave, full stop.
[00:44:16]  Those are the kinds of things that would make an immediate difference and are less frightening to the donor class.
[00:44:23]  Well, they're still going to be frightening to the donor class, but less frightening to members of Congress than just eliminating the program altogether.
[00:44:32]  We'll take whatever we can get on this because Americans have to be put first and they are not now being put first.
[00:44:41]  Rosemary, where do people go to find out more about your fight and what you're doing in leading this effort?
[00:44:49]  We're at iaproject.org, iaproject.org.
[00:44:53]  We're on X at iaproject.
[00:44:57]  We need all the support we can get because, you know, we're butting up against the donor class here.
[00:45:01]  So we love the posse and appreciate your support.
[00:45:07]  The donor class that has run the Republican Party.
[00:45:10]  This is what they ran it into the ground before President Trump.
[00:45:13]  They could not have won an election without President Trump.
[00:45:15]  You just can't do it.
[00:45:16]  Impossible.
[00:45:16]  They still haven't shown how they can win any elections.
[00:45:19]  President Trump's, the Warren Posse and the President Trump and the MAGA base have won, I think, eight of the nine on a national level since he's been involved.
[00:45:27]  The only one we've lost is Nancy Pelosi in 18.
[00:45:33]  We beat her every other year, but in 18.
[00:45:35]  Rosemary Jenks, did you give also your social media or did you just give the website?
[00:45:41]  At IA Project on X. Thank you, ma'am.
[00:45:46]  Appreciate you.
[00:45:47]  Thank you.
[00:45:48]  We're going to try to get the filmmaker up and do this tomorrow and break down part of this film so everybody can see it.
[00:45:56]  Pretty explosive.
[00:45:57]  And I'm really proud a lot of these young filmmakers are getting this type of material and going out and making very compelling product.
[00:46:05]  Is it perfect?
[00:46:06]  No, right?
[00:46:07]  Because these guys are working on bootstrap.
[00:46:12]  They're bootstrapping these films.
[00:46:13]  It's just absolutely incredible.
[00:46:14]  But this one was very powerful.
[00:46:15]  And the situation with H1Bs, as I've said, From the very beginning, it's a natural scam.
[00:46:24]  They ought to pull every H 1B holder, pull the visa immediately, and send them and their families back home, wherever that home is.
[00:46:34]  They still have never shown a billet that an American worker couldn't fill it.
[00:46:39]  They had an education andor job experience.
[00:46:43]  It's a total scam.
[00:46:44]  It's just to suppress wages.
[00:46:45]  And now, with artificial intelligence coming at one angle, and the H 1B and the foreign workers come another angle, You wonder, people, why are these young people, why are these particularly young men, why are they so frustrated?
[00:46:58]  Why are they so angry?
[00:47:00]  Because the very system that their parents and grandparents and others sacrificed to for this country, and they see their older brothers or their uncles or their fathers that are sent over and fighting these foreign wars, and then they don't accrete the value of it, it's sick.
[00:47:20]  It's sick.
[00:47:21]  And it has to be unwound.
[00:47:24]  America, we have to put America first, and we're not doing that.
[00:47:27]  America has to be first in everything.
[00:47:30]  But American citizens have to be above all.
[00:47:34]  American citizens should have a special deal, kind of like citizenship in the Roman Empire or the Roman Republic back in the days of that Republic.
[00:47:43]  The Roman citizenship came with big benefits, it had big obligations too.
[00:47:50]  But you've got big obligations here the military is voluntary, people serve that.
[00:47:55]  They build the communities.
[00:47:56]  They coach the little leagues.
[00:47:58]  They are that civic society that underpins everything.
[00:48:01]  Burks, little platoons.
[00:48:04]  That's what keeps the system going.
[00:48:05]  And it's the people in the little platoons who are being crushed by foreign interest or worse, collaborators.
[00:48:13]  Yes, I use the C word collaborators.
[00:48:16]  Collaborators here in the United States of America.
[00:48:20]  This thing's got to be solved.
[00:48:22]  It's got to be solved.
[00:48:24]  We don't have a choice.
[00:48:25]  Got to solve it.
[00:48:26]  I'm all for a moratorium of at least 10 years on all immigration legal immigration, illegal immigration.

=== Fighting Collaborators In Communities (01:05) ===

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