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April 3, 2026 - Bannon's War Room
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WarRoom Battleground EP 980: Freeing Tina Peters; Fighting Back Against CAIR Curriculum In In Texas Schools

Stephen K. Bannon opens on Holy Thursday, April 2, 2026, addressing a projected $16 trillion deficit and promoting "End of the Dollar Empire" before advocating for Tina Peters' release from Colorado prison. John Eastman discusses his disbarment risks and argues against birthright citizenship for immigrants, urging a state convention to amend the 14th Amendment. Finally, Frank Gaffney and Julie Pickering warn of CAIR's attempt to erase Judeo-Christian values from Texas schools, calling for Patriots to testify at the April 7 Education Board meeting to defend Western civilization. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
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dr john eastman
11:29
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frank gaffney
05:17
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steve bannon
r 16:40
Appearances
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apollo pappas
03:04
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bradley thayer
03:31
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dr julie pickren
04:40
Clips
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jake tapper
cnn 00:09
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Speaker Time Text
Ending The Dollar Empire 00:03:00
steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies, because we're going to medieval on these people.
You're just not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
MAGA Media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
steve bannon
Ask yourself.
What is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.
steve bannon
It is Holy Thursday, the 2nd of April, the year of our Lord, 2026.
Thank you for being here for the second hour.
An anomaly West Texas Intermediate is about $112.
I think, Brent, the.
The gauge of which we judge European oil is 108, although the spot market for delivery of physical what's on the ocean now is 141.
My point.
You don't have to be an oil trader to understand that there's a lot of turbulence in what is the underpinnings of the global economy, and that would be energy.
Now more than ever, and this is why we did the end of the dollar empire.
Also, we're coming out with the first look, Bloomberg, I think, has it, of the 2027 budget.
According to the math, what they're projecting is $16 trillion in deficits, I think, in the next 10 years.
We'll break all that down tomorrow because, as Steve Cortez said earlier, we got to keep the financial and fiscal house in order to make sure that we even have the ability to pay for these military expenditures.
And I think it's a very compelling reason why President Trump said, hey, two weeks, maybe three weeks, and then we're out of here to get back to the United States.
This oil situation, quite disturbing.
End of the dollar empire, birchgold.com, promo code Bannon.
You get the eighth free installment, which deals exactly with where the dollar is today.
So let's check that out.
And as soon as they get these back in stock, we'll be sending you over to get the Patriots edition of the first seven installments of the End of the Dollar Empire.
But they're out of stock right now because there's been such a huge demand.
But you can always go and get all seven installments and you can do it for free.
We want you to get as much information on this as possible to make sure you understand it's not the price, it's the process.
And it's why gold has been a hedge.
For, I don't know, three thousand years of mankind's history.
Apollo, Pappas, this Tina Peters situation, and this is why I was talking to Mike Davis at the beginning of the first hour about Pam Bondi in the context of Pam is now got relieved by President Trump as Attorney General, and he's looking at a host of other people to step up.
Evidence For Mistrial 00:09:45
steve bannon
I think it's a pretty deep bench.
Todd Blanchard, I think, has done a very solid job as DAG, is now the interim head of it.
And of course, we would love to see some of the people that are over there.
Stick around and help this situation.
But it's a process where the lawfare is the left's biggest weapon because it ties into the woke corporations, the woke universities, the woke media, and they're brutal about it.
They'll send people to prison, they will bankrupt people.
This is why I use examples like the folks in Georgia for the voter fraud, what they've gone through in six years.
These people are heroes and patriots because they're not sunshine soldiers.
They're not just people on Twitter.
Oh my gosh, blah, blah, blah, blah.
These are people that stood in the breach.
When they brought criminal penalties against them, civil penalties against them, try to bankrupt them.
And in Colorado, which was one of the most egregious, and Tina Peters, a Gold Star mother who was just doing her job.
And now we understand from an appellate court, which, by the way, is all left wing Democrats, they went back and corrected the trial judge to say, look, her political beliefs and her beliefs, her First Amendment rights, and what she was saying, which is throughout the trial, you can't violate that in her sentencing.
And I realize, people, we have a huge problem.
With how they've kind of went back and said, well, the seven felony convictions are correct, because I think that would be ultimately overturned.
What is the plan of action now, and how can the Warren Posse assist you guys?
You have been heroes in keeping her show going, in communication with her to make sure she's got a great legal team, both at the federal level with Peter Ticton and Pat McSweeney and others.
And you got a great team at the state level, John Kass and people.
So, what's your plan?
What can you tell us today, and how can people assist?
apollo pappas
Well, number one, the plan is to get her out.
She should be.
She should have been a long time ago.
So, you know, we're hoping that we're not going to go through another circus just with the trial court because it was sent back to the district court where she was sentenced with Judge Barrett.
Some really important things, though, that everyone watching needs to understand.
First of all, you're going to see the media, and that includes Jenna Griswold, it includes Dan Rubenstein, and many of these other Colorado officials say that her trial was fair.
And that's simply not true.
They're going to say that she was tampering with election records, that she breached the voting machines, and none of that is true.
She was authorized to do what she did.
Conan Hayes was there under her supervision.
They're going to continue using those lies and pretend that Tina got a fair trial, and she did not.
There is a recording going around of one of the jurors in her trial stating that she thought Tina Peters was part of the reason she had her business sabotaged until after the trial.
There is evidence that should have automatically made Tina Peters.
Case a mistrial, and that includes the judge's actions, and it also includes issues with the jury and her inability to mount a proper defense.
You can find that information on our website, tinapeters.us.
But what I would like everyone to do if you see these people continuing to push these narratives that she breached election equipment, that she was unauthorized, that she deleted records, which is actually what Jenna Griswold is guilty of doing as the Secretary of State, do not let them get away with it.
If you see it on social media or in the news, You call that out because they are straight up lying because Tina Peters has the goods on their crimes.
And you can go to her website.
She needs help.
She still has a very long road ahead of her, whether or not she's actually released by the trial court in the next 30 days or so.
We still need to go through that process to have her released, hopefully, before the resentencing actually happens.
And if you contact Jared Polis' office, you tell him enough is enough.
This woman has been through enough.
You yourself admitted it.
Everyone can see that her trial was unjust.
The consecutive sentences are ridiculous.
The woman needs to be commuted.
She needs to be allowed to go home now.
And it shouldn't have to wait for the trial court that so viciously violated her rights to have to weigh in before that happens.
steve bannon
Apollo, where do people go for the content, the Tina Peters show, everything that you guys keep going?
And then where do they go if they want to support both her content creation and if people want to find out more about her legal situation and contribute there?
apollo pappas
TinaPeters.us.
You can find updates related to Tina.
You can sign up for email alerts.
You'll get messages direct from our team.
If you go on the homepage, sign up for the email list, and we'll keep you in touch before anyone else.
And her Rumble channel, her ex is where you can find her show, Real Tina Peters.
Go there for all the latest shows from Tina.
She has as much input as she can on those from prison.
And if you need to support her legal funds or her personal expenses so that she can keep her house, you can do both from tnapeters.us on the homepage.
And thank you to your audience who have been amazing and to everybody listening.
Tina is extremely grateful for all of you.
Without you all and people supporting her, she wouldn't be able to keep doing this.
steve bannon
This audience is amazing, but I will tell you something, Apollo.
What Tina Peters is a unique figure in American history, a gold star mother that is in a freaking prison for nine years, a maximum security woman's prison, a hellhole in Colorado where she's being intimidated every day by younger prisoners because she stood in the breach of one of the most egregious crimes in the history of this country.
That's why she will go down.
She's a historical figure, and that's why I think this Deborah and Posse and everybody associated with the show supports.
Her and your guys' work, which has just been incredible to keep the show going and to keep her case in front of the American people.
So thank you, Apollo.
Appreciate you and everybody over there and the lawyers.
apollo pappas
God bless you and your audience.
unidentified
Thank you.
Incredible.
steve bannon
Eastman, you know how it is.
We're going to get to the Supreme Court and we're going to get to this incredible argument because we played for all two hours of the morning show the other day.
The audience was so mesmerized by this and they weren't happy the entire time, I will tell you.
But John, you've been in maybe not the exact situation, Tina Peters, but you've seen when they come after you.
This is what I was saying today.
I'm not defending Pam Bondi, but I think we have to contextualize what is going on here.
Lawfare.
Is that they own the Ivy League schools.
They own the feeders to the best law schools in the country.
They own the professors.
And these professors are essentially Marxist, okay?
They own the big law firms.
They own these state and federal judges.
This is a rot in our system that will take decades to change.
But right now, I will tell you look at Trump.
They were going to put Trump in prison for what, 350 years.
They had a plan to have him die in prison, both at the state level and the federal level.
And you see what a racket it was as we peeled away.
Eastman, this show, I forget, it was a couple of weeks in a row.
We just streamed your trial out there where they tried to destroy you as a person.
They tried to destroy your profession.
They tried to rip away everything you've ever stood for.
And what they want to do is get the best that we have and destroy them and use that as an example.
To everybody else coming up, if you step out of line, John Eastman, one of the most respected constitutional lawyers in the country, you're going to get destroyed.
You're going to get disbarred.
You're going to have your profession taken away from you.
You're going to get fired from all the law schools.
You're going to get fired from all the universities.
You're going to get othered everywhere.
That's what they do.
And guess what, folks?
It works on about 80% of the people.
Why do you think in the revolution they sat there and go, hey, you got sunshine patriots and summer soldiers?
Read the history of the revolution.
How many people were at Valley Forge?
How many people were actually that answered up at Reveille for Washington and the Continental Army?
How many people actually stood in the breach and won the revolution?
Guess what?
It wasn't 80%.
It wasn't 75%.
It wasn't two thirds.
It was a minority that was too freaking tough and too dedicated to quit.
And that's what Tina Peters and John Eastman are the best of us.
But we have to understand that this is an overwhelming enemy.
That has really taken this republic, and it's everywhere.
That's what's in the hall of Congress because in the deep state, because two thirds of them are lawyers.
This is one of the most significant problems we have to go after.
John Eastman, how was it for you when they came after you, sir?
dr john eastman
Well, I wish it was past 10, Steve.
We've had 19 actions we've been dealing with for the last five years.
I'm down to only two left, but there are still two left.
The California Bar action, the California Supreme Court first considered our petition for reviewing, and we asked them to reject the disbarment recommendation that came up from the Bar Court.
They considered that petition yesterday, along with 103 other petitions.
98 of those petitions were Resolved in a results order today.
Birthright Citizenship Debate 00:13:11
dr john eastman
Ours was not among them, so they're going to carry it over for a little bit more consideration.
We hope that that means they're going our direction or at least seriously considering it, but it's still pending.
The bar trial itself went for over 10 weeks, 34 days, and I think the longest and most expensive bar disciplinary proceeding in history.
And then, of course, you had I was an unindicted co conspirator in the Jack Smith indictment of President Trump in DC.
Jack Smith could have moved that from unindicted to indicted co conspirator anytime he wanted, because that DC jury pool is so lopsidedly anti Trump and pro radical Democrat.
Thank God that never happened.
I was indicted in Georgia and the day before Thanksgiving last fall, that case was finally dismissed.
But the corruption that's coming out of the collusion between The district attorney there, Fonnie Willis, and her lover, whom she hired and paid nearly $700,000 to, and the Biden White House is stunning.
You know, Nathan Wade, the lover that was hired, spent a whole day meeting with the White House counsel's office.
And he testified under oath that it had nothing to do with the Georgia case.
But he submitted that travel expense and that time in the meeting in the White House for payment on the Georgia case.
And then, you know, the Arizona Attorney General, the same radical anti Trump group that filed the bar complaint against me in California, Norm Eisen and the State's United Democracy Center, was hired by the Attorney General of Arizona to prepare the neutral prosecution memo.
I mean, for God's sakes, that's like hiring the Fox to develop your safety plan on the chicken coop.
I mean, this is what they do.
And it's, you know, a revolving door circle.
The folks out of government are supporting the folks in government to.
To protect the deep state and go after anybody that dares to validate.
steve bannon
And don't bury the lead.
Norm Eisen's down there last Friday in the five hour or eight hour, I think it was eight hour evidentiary hearing.
Norm Eisen and Abby Lowell are sitting there.
Norm Eisen's higher than that.
This is what they're coming after us.
This audience was mesmerized.
You've been working as our top constitutional lawyer.
You've had so many other victories.
They said this is a fringe theory.
It didn't sound so fringe the other day in front of the Supreme Court.
This audience was mesmerized by Sauer's arguments.
The questions, the questions of the justices, the intensity of it.
Of course, the ACLU's bizarro theories.
Just put us in the room.
You've worked, you dedicate a big part of your life to this issue.
Tell us what it was like and what do you think?
Not that we can pick what the judge is going to do, but where do you think this stands right now on the outcomes?
dr john eastman
Well, even the rock solid liberals on the court who said this is so clear cut an issue back in June when they said there's no reason not to have a nationwide injunction against it, even they took seriously Solicitor General John Sauer's argument because it's historically grounded, it's textually supported.
The main arguers, the main drafters of the language of the citizenship clause said that subject to the jurisdiction means subject to the complete jurisdiction, and it doesn't extend to aliens and foreigners.
Which seems pretty clear.
The Supreme Court, in the initial time it even looked at the 14th Amendment in the slaughterhouse cases, said exactly the same thing.
The leading treatise writer of the day, Thomas Cooley, exactly the same thing.
Secretary of State in the 1880s, a child born here of German parents when they were temporarily visiting, and another one born of Scottish parents while they were temporarily visiting.
The Secretary of State said, No, you're not citizens.
You don't get a passport.
You're natives of your parents' country.
That's where you owe your allegiance.
And subject to the jurisdiction means subject, not subject to any foreign power.
End of story.
And I thought John Sauer did a terrific job.
He and his whole team did a terrific job of making that original case.
And by the way, you know, this attempted debunk it by claiming that I'm, you know, I saw one story that used a Mike Pence attack on me as a crackpot lawyer.
You know, I mean, how many times has Mike Pence argued in the Supreme Court?
I've been involved in over 200 cases there.
I've argued there.
He never has.
Uh, and, and the notion that this was a fringe theory or a crackpot theory when every bit of evidence from the drafting of the 14th amendment supports it.
And the Supreme Court itself originally agreed with this idea, uh, that it doesn't extend to foreigners.
Sojourners was the phrase they used at the time.
It's not crackpot.
It's originalism.
And, and I think what's important with what President Trump did is he took that from being, you know, it's not fringe, but, you know, certainly most lefty law professors disagreed with it.
Until Trump came on the scene, the key case is 1898, Wang Kim Ark, where the court said the children of permanently domiciled Chinese parents is himself a citizen.
And during the oral argument yesterday, 20 different times in the majority opinion in that case, they referenced the fact that the parents were domiciled here.
Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Alito, several of the justices pointed that out.
And that's true.
And most legal scholars, until Trump started pressing this issue in 2015, Agreed with me that the actual holding of the case didn't settle the question of children of temporary visitors or illegal immigrants.
But of course, once Trump comes on the scene, they all act like that case settled it 125 years ago and that we're therefore crazy.
And the press trying to build and support this narrative starts calling it a fringe theory when it clearly is not.
It's in fact the right answer under the original understanding of the 14th Amendment.
steve bannon
Given, I take it they'll rule by June before they take off by late June, but this has ignited so much interest in this, and you're kind of the godfather of this.
What do you think we do to get up to speed and get other alternatives out there?
Just as a backup in case the court doesn't go our way, I don't think it's too easy to start, too early to start working for the simple fact that people are now extremely interested in this and they realize the ridiculous.
This ridiculous proposition that anybody that can come in here and birthright citizenship, the million five Chinese, the what hundred, the 10,000, you know, the Chinese billionaire has, it's outrageous.
Peter Schweitzer's book spent five weeks on the New York Times number one as the number one bestseller, principally because of this.
So, what should we be doing?
What guidance can you give us?
Where can we go to get more information?
How do we get smarter?
How do we get tougher?
How do we start to organize on this, John Eastman?
dr john eastman
Well, you know, obviously it's going to depend on what the Supreme Court does.
Justice, Chief Justice Roberts was looking for an Exit ramp that would say Congress can weigh in here and maybe fix it.
And there's one sliver of a read that would allow that to be the pathway.
And that is if they say, even though the Immigration Act itself uses the same language of the 14th Amendment, they meant broader protections than the 14th Amendment requires.
And so then our efforts would be on getting Congress to make clear in its statute that it doesn't cover temporary visitors and illegal aliens.
I don't think that's where the court's going to go.
If they instead say the Constitution mandates citizenship to anybody born here, no matter the circumstances, except for the children of ambassadors, then the only way to fix that is with a constitutional amendment.
And I think the people in this country are so incensed by what they saw going on that if the court does rule that way, contrary to all the evidence that John Sauer put before them, if it does rule that way, I think we've got a very viable path for a quick resolution and constitutional amendment to change that.
It's never going to come out of Congress.
You'd never get the two thirds votes necessary in both the House and the Senate to do that.
So you've got to look at James Madison's other alternative when the problem is the federal government itself.
And that is a convention of states called limited to this one question Should we amend the Constitution to correct the Supreme Court's mistake on the understanding of birthright citizenship and make clear that it doesn't cover temporary visitors and illegal immigrants?
And it takes 34 states to call such a convention, and it can be limited to that single issue.
And then it takes 38 states to ratify the proposed amendment that would come out of such a convention.
And I think we ought to start putting the infrastructure together to do that right now.
I think we ought to partner with the Convention of States that's more broadly looking at calling a convention to address some other issues.
But let's do this one on a very laser focused issue.
Let's get the convention to focus on the birthright citizenship question if the Supreme Court rules against us and push that through.
It could be done as quickly as the 11th Amendment was done in response to an erroneous Supreme Court decision back in the 1790s.
And they quickly fixed that with the 11th Amendment.
I think we should be prepared to do that with this as well.
steve bannon
Real quickly, were you happy with the arguments?
Were you happy with the question of the justice?
Did you come out of there upbeat or did you come out there saying, hey, I'm going to have to get very focused and look at other alternatives?
dr john eastman
Well, you know, it's very hard to predict.
I mean, John Sauer, the Solicitor General, went in there with three justices firmly against him.
No question, there was no movement, nor was there going to be any movement from Justices Kagan, Sotomayor, and Brown Jackson.
So that meant you're looking at the other six.
And I thought it was very pretty clear that Justice Alito and Justice Thomas understood the original arguments and therefore are likely to go with President Trump's executive order, say it's constitutional and actually clarifies the true meaning of the Constitution.
You know, the other four justices Chief Justice Roberts, Justices Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Barrett.
It's hard to say from their questions.
I mean, there were several questions from Justice Gorsuch that looked like he was very skeptical of the government's position, but he also has a habit of playing devil's advocate to press what he thinks are maybe weak points in the argument to see how they shore it up.
And if the answers satisfy him, he could come out the other direction.
The same is true with Justice Kavanaugh and Barrett.
Justice Barrett asked some tough questions of both sides, and it's like they were probing to try and find what the right answer was in this very nuanced question.
I have to say, Steve, I've been to a lot of arguments, including every single one of the 80 or so when I was a clerk for Justice Thomas up there in the mid 1990s.
This was the most highbrow, sophisticated argument on both sides and among all nine justices that I'd ever seen.
They clearly understand the significance of it.
Of course, that was highlighted by the president himself coming to the courtroom, not to pressure the court as some of the leftist media said, you know, oh, this violates the separation of powers.
Give me a break.
I mean, most of the arguments I've been to, There's a member of Congress or two sitting there.
I've never seen anybody say that was the legislature violating separation of powers.
This Trump arrangement syndrome just has people thinking through mud.
But it demonstrates the significance of the issue.
And with Peter Schweitzer's book hitting recently, a news last week that of those 1.5 million Chinese birth citizens that go back and get trained by the Communist Party, 200,000 young men of military age are now in the United States.
That's an army.
That's an army from our leading enemy on the world stage that is within our borders with claims of citizenship rights to be here.
And it's extraordinary that we would continue to let that happen if that's not what the Constitution compels.
And everybody agreed that there was no discussion about giving citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants, and that there was some discussion of giving citizenship to temporary sojourners, and that was rejected.
In 1866.
So, you know, I hope the court will follow the originalist path that John Sauer and his team laid out.
But if they don't, we need to be prepared to fix this because our very survival as a country, I think, is at stake.
steve bannon
It definitely is.
I think that's why people were so mesmerized by the highbrow argument and people loved it.
Medical Freedom Now 00:02:59
steve bannon
John Eastman, we got about 30 seconds.
Where do people go to find out everything about you and to see if they want to support you, sir?
dr john eastman
Well, my Twitter account is at Dr. John Eastman.
My legal defense fund where we do updates is give send go dot com slash Eastman.
Particularly today, this holy week, two years ago, the California bar disbarment recommendation came down and my children wrote a fabulous article.
It's at update 43 on that give send go website.
I urge people to go take a look at it.
It'll be sitting down and it'll bring tears to your eyes.
steve bannon
John Eastman, you are a patriot and a hero and a historic figure.
Thank you for spending part of Holy Thursday here with Warren Posse.
We appreciate you, sir.
Tina Peters and John Eastman back to back.
Not too shabby.
The giants in this movement.
Short break.
Back in a moment.
unidentified
Your host, Stephen K. Bann.
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Frank Gaffney, Frank, we have a battle in Texas that we've done an amazing job.
The collective group of people working on this, the people at Patriot Mobile, Jenny Story, all the great.
I think they had over 100 grassroots leaders at CPAC in these meetings, follow on to after the victory at the polls.
But there's so much more to get done.
Fighting Islamic Invasion 00:14:40
steve bannon
I mean, we are fighting a very determined enemy that thinks they're winning on this Islamic invasion of Texas and with it the bringing of a Sharia law.
And if you don't think so, we're going to have Julie Pickering on here in a moment, and you're going to see about the Texas Education Board.
So set the frame for us, Frank, and where can people go to get information about this?
Not simply Texans, but although we want Texans to power into this.
but people all over this nation.
frank gaffney
You're still right, Stephen.
That's just terrific that we're having a chance to talk about it a little bit before D Day, which is the 7th of April in Austin, Texas.
Just to set the stage, as you pointed out and as you did so much to help accomplish, 1.9 million Texans voted on the 3rd of March to prohibit Sharia law in Texas.
On the 7th of April, as I say, The Council on American Islamic Relations, a designated terrorist organization, better known as CARE,
is trying to whip up the red green axis to cause one single vote on the school board of education to flip from promoting and helping implement a patriotic curriculum framework that was adopted by the board last year and turn it into one that.
Kerr argues, isn't Islamophobic or exclusionary.
And these are terms, of course, that are designed to ram through the kinds of agendas that, well, their friends on the left, the ACLU, the NAACP, the teachers' unions, and scores and scores of other leftist organizations, plus the Islamists, the jihadis, they're all in for having the curriculum for social studies for K through 12.
In the state of Texas, be to their liking and not representative of the greatness of our country, our founders, our founding documents, the very freedoms that are embedded in Judeo Christian civilization.
They want the kind that's not so free and not so inclusive, as it happens, that they favor in the Sharia supremacist camp.
So here's the point the reason they're fighting this so hard.
And the reason this is so fraught is that it's not just the millions and millions and millions of Texan kids that are going to be indoctrinated, if they have their way, by their radical left slash.
Jihadist agenda.
It will be every kid in America, probably, because the books that are published as textbooks in Texas, because of the volume, typically are pushed by the publishers to every other school system in the country.
So, Julie Pickering is a hero on this.
She has been fighting it tooth and tongue.
The reason that we are having this fight, frankly, is because she helped engineer that pro American curriculum last year.
And let me just say, In this instance, there are two things that need to happen.
She'll talk more about it because she'll be up there on the dais.
Get to that hearing on the 7th of April, if you possibly can, starting at 8 a.m.
Be present because there are going to be a lot of Sharia supremacists who are going to be bussed in.
There's going to be a lot of leftists who will as well.
We need patriotic Americans standing up for the pro American curriculum framework and the standards that would implement it.
The second thing is if people go, Right now, to bansharia.com.
There is right on the front page there a letter.
It's called an Align Act campaign.
It enables you, literally with a click of a mouse, to send a letter to Pam Little and Evelyn Brooks, the two most important of these votes.
Probably Pam Little, first and foremost, as Julie can describe.
We need her to vote as she did last year for a pro American curriculum, not the CARE curriculum.
As I call it.
And if that's done, I think, Steve, we will see a generation of American kids better equipped to contend with the threat we're facing from Sharia supremacism and, well, frankly, the red grain axis as well.
steve bannon
Frank, thanks for the tee up and stick around.
I want to have you on here with Dr. Thayer about this escalatory ladder in the war.
Julie Pickering, people just, it almost boggles the mind what's going on.
Next Tuesday, the day after Easter Monday, At 8 a.m. Central Daylight Time, there's going to be a Texas Education Board.
Just tell folks what we're actually discussing.
I don't think many people in the country really kind of understand or believe how these radical Islamists have infected or are trying to infect not simply the school system of the teaching for kids in Texas, but because of, like Frank said, the economics of the textbook industry will affect and impact kids throughout this nation, ma'am.
dr julie pickren
Yes, thank you, Steve, for having me on.
And what an honor to be on with the great Frank Gaffney, a true American hero who's been serving our country faithfully for not just years, but decades.
But yes, Tuesday is going to be the fight.
So we begin Tuesday morning at 8 a.m. with discussing the literary works, the state mandated inside of our standards mandatory reading, kindergarten through 12th grade.
And why this is so important is because these literary works that have already been proposed before the Texas State Board of Education are based.
In our laws, our laws that say that you must teach kindergarten through 12th grade through a patriotic lens, that you must teach founding documents, that you must teach founding fathers and patriotism.
But we already have a Republican out of Houston that has offered up amendments to remove all of those things.
He's already offered up amendments to remove teaching about all of the presidents, to remove the impact of Western civilization, great works, literary works from Western civilization, to remove all of the books that are still patriotism.
And a love for country in our students.
And so this is already a fight before we ever even get there.
But the reason why they have to remove Western civilization, Judeo Christian values, Old Testament and New Testament, patriotism, is they have to remove pride and thankfulness in order to indoctrinate our kids to do a complete repeal and replacement of U.S. and Texas history, to remove the Judeo Christian values out of the U.S. history and Texas history and insert.
Islam's contribution is you have to tear down Western civilization first.
You have to remove Western civilization.
You have to remove the impact of the Bible on the founding of our country and our founding fathers.
You have to remove George Washington.
You have to remove George Washington's Thanksgiving proclamation, his farewell address as the first president of the United States.
You have to remove all those things.
And so we already have a Republican that's willing to carry that water who's already submitted amendments.
You can go and look at those amendments on the state of Texas website.
unidentified
Hang on.
steve bannon
Hang on, hang on, because I got to manage my time here and I'm going to get there, but there, I'm going to shift to your book.
I'm going to do the escalatory ladder tomorrow with you.
I'm going to shift to your book because you're an expert on this.
Julie, people understand what you just said.
But I think what the problem is is that we can't comprehend that there are Americans, and particularly Republicans, prepared to back this.
What you're saying is so black and white.
There's such a huge gap between, obviously, what needs to be taught to our most precious asset, which is our children, our grandchildren, future generations, which has been taught in every generation since the founding of this republic, versus what you're talking about.
What you're talking about sounds so crazy.
That people sit there and go, Well, obviously, it'll be a nine to nothing vote or a 10 to nothing vote or a 15 to one vote.
How can this even be an issue?
Why does the worm have to stream this?
What is this Republican doing?
You're actually telling me that there's an individual who is a Republican that is prepared to back exactly what you just said because that almost seems like it's unfathomable, ma'am.
dr julie pickren
Yes, sir.
I wish it were, Steve.
I wish when people put that R behind their name, it really meant something.
But unfortunately, to some people, it doesn't.
It just means they're going to do whatever they want.
And support whatever organizations are supporting them, regardless of whether it lines up with the Republican Party and our Judeo Christian beliefs or not.
But you can go on the Texas State Board of Education website and already see amendments that have been filed that remove presidents, remove patriotism, remove Western great works of Western literature from the mandatory reading list that directly ties with the social studies teak.
So this is going to be a fight.
And I don't think it's going to be a fight between Republicans and Democrats.
unidentified
And care.
steve bannon
And I've been.
This is why we need people to show up online also because I've gotten these flyers that they're having training sessions.
The Islamists are not just sitting there and going, oh, we'll just let War Room and Frank Gaffney and Patriot Mobile and Julie Pickering.
They're just going to be.
No, they're fighting back.
Aren't they having organizing meetings?
They prep people to be witnesses at these things and to show up and demonstrate.
dr julie pickren
Yes, sir.
And just in my SBOE district, in two of the largest mosques in my SBOE district, In Southeast Texas, they've been holding trainings.
They've been holding recruitment rallies to recruit people to come to the Texas State Board of Education next Tuesday to testify before us.
And they've been training them on what to say, what are the talking points.
I mean, they're coming with a very well oiled machine.
I mean, they're very organized, they're very well funded, and they are going to bring a lot of people next Tuesday.
And it's going to be whose voice is the loudest in the room.
We need Patriots to show up next Tuesday, 8 a.m., Barbara Jordan building in Austin, Texas.
steve bannon
We're going to give all the details and we're going to stream it also.
Dr. Bradley Thayer, so I'm going to get you tomorrow on the escalatory ladder.
But this is really at the heart of your magnum opus.
You've written this book, and people, you're going to be blown away when you see it.
But you said, hey, look, this is all part of a process.
This has been a hundred year struggle since it first came on the scene.
And I would actually say maybe back to the French Revolution.
But this has been a war of these atheistic Marxists.
And now they've teamed with the Islamists.
And this is why this Red Green Alliance is why we have this issue in Texas.
And now people are.
Finally, waking up to it.
Talk us about how serious this is.
They believe they're winning.
I want people to understand this.
They don't think they're losing, they think they're winning.
And they think one way they're winning is that people are asleep and they're going to get in, which they always want to do, and control the education of the young.
They can control the past by controlling the future.
And that is how they do it through textbooks.
Dr. Bradley Thayer.
bradley thayer
Yes, Steve, thanks very much.
And thanks for writing the forward to the book.
This is what you've discussed tonight.
Really illustrates the problem.
John Eastman's problem is rooted in the fact that the communists have captured the ideas industry, whether it's the media, education, the law firms, the law professors, all think the same way.
They think in accord with what is at root a communist doctrine.
Julie and Frank are fighting Islamists in Texas and around the United States.
Well, that's a product really of an immigration system that explicitly advanced the Leninist idea of revolutionary defeatism, right?
The worse, the better.
Making things worse in the United States is actually what the Marxists want, what the communists want.
So when President Trump says he doesn't understand why the Democrats don't stand, why they don't celebrate the mother of the murdered.
The sad story of the woman murdered in North Carolina, or the Navy veteran who shot down four Soviet fighters during the Korean War.
Well, that's because they have a Leninist discipline, right?
They're thinking the same way, they're acting in the same way, and they're moving in the same way, and they've been doing it for 100 years.
And they've been supremely successful.
And we're only waking up now to the danger, to the risks of what's happening, whether it's Julian Frank in Texas and elsewhere in the US, or John Eastman finding out that the law firms are all against him, right?
The courts are all against him because they've all, in essence, been captured, or the Democrats aren't standing in the State of the Union because they don't want to celebrate America.
They don't want to celebrate American identity.
And they don't want to take steps to strengthen American identity because the stronger American identity is, the weaker the Marxists are, right?
That very important inverse relationship that stands there.
So they attack ceaselessly, endlessly, with all of the tools at their disposal, which are formidable, right?
Neville Royce Sigmunds and Code Pink, right?
His wife's Code Pink group, or Soros and his son's organizations, Act Blue, Tides Foundation.
The Bolsheviks created what they called the Comintern, which was to spread the revolution by working through other groups, not Communist parties directly.
What Neville Singham has done, and Soros and his son have done, and other actors, Tides, ActBlue, et cetera, have privatized the Comintern.
They're advancing Marxism basically privately on their own dime to some degree.
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bradley thayer
But when you really look into this, you're going to find the Chinese Communist Party is behind it.
It's not just their own money, but it's a lot of resources flowing from the Chinese Communist Party to undermine us.
So, for the War Room audience, we need to understand what we're up against and what we need to do to act against it.
steve bannon
Hang on, we're going to have more announcements on your book and where we're going to release it, but just hang on for one second.
Julie, let's get the specifics.
What do you need and what can the War and Posse provide?
Do you need people that show up to testify?
Do you need people watching online?
Do you need people to show up to sit in the audience?
Be very specific because a lot of people are taking off tomorrow.
Tonight's Holy Thursday.
Tomorrow's Good Friday.
We've got Holy Saturday, Easter, Easter Monday.
And then bang, when people really come back from the holiday, it's at 8 a.m. in the morning in Austin, Texas.
They're going to be a hearing that's vitally important for people to go.
So tell us, we got a couple minutes.
Tell us exactly what you need and how we can help.
dr julie pickren
Well, I hope after Christians are celebrating Holy Week and celebrating the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, that they do come to Austin Tuesday fired up and ready to defend Judeo Christian values.
But yes, Steve, all of the above.
We need people, the public, to show up.
Even if you say, Julie, I'm not comfortable testifying, at least just come up and sit with us and be there to support us, to pray for us, most of all.
And then the other thing, yes, we need people to sign up to testify.
So, if you're going to testify on Tuesday, you have to sign up to testify by 5 p.m. tomorrow at sboe.texas.gov.
Sboe.texas.gov.
Sign up to speak on agenda item number one, which is a public hearing about the literary works, and agenda item number four, which is the public hearing about the social studies standards.
So, yes, and we need the testimonies also sent to us.
And you can, if you want to do a written testimony, if you can't come on Tuesday and you want to submit a written testimony, you can also do that.
S-B-O-E dot Texas, T-E-X-A-S dot gov. You can also go to my website, Julie Pickren dot com, J-U-L-I-E, P-I-C-K-R-E-N dot com, for more information or follow me on Twitter at Julie, the number four T-X, Julie four T-X.
So I'll be putting out a lot of information about this.
But yes, we need the numbers on Tuesday.
They're going to show up with the loud voices and the loud numbers.
We need Patriots there on Tuesday.
steve bannon
Let's, Mo and Grace, let's make sure we put that up.
Julie, thank you so much.
I appreciate you.
I'm going to.
Talk to you tonight.
Hopefully, maybe have you on tomorrow so we can meet or beat the 5 p.m. Central Daylight Time tomorrow where people can sign up to testify.
So I'll call you afterwards.
Frank Gaffney, where do people go on Bansharia?
You're at the tip of the spear of this, and the fight right now is in Texas, but we're fighting in Texas for the nation.
Where do people go?
frank gaffney
Yeah, I just want to emphasize what Julie said.
If you are in Texas, show up.
There's going to need to be as many.
Bodies who love freedom in that room as possible because there'll be a lot of them that don't.
In addition to that, because of the nature of this deal, that it will impact everybody, every student you can think of, K through 12 across this country, please take action.
If you can't be there, go to bansharia.com and right there on the homepage, you're going to see the Align Act campaign.
Just click through and let these.
Representatives on the board, Julie's colleagues, particularly Pam Little and Evelyn Brooks, know you want them to vote for freedom, not for Sharia or not for the red green axis agenda.
And if you will do that, Steve, I think we've got a chance to beat this and thereby help a generation of students in Texas and across America love our country and not revile it as the enemy wants them to do.
steve bannon
Thank you, Brad.
Thank you, sir.
Dr. Thayer, where do people get you?
bradley thayer
Well, I would just say support Julie and Frank.
So go to the ban Sharia, support Julie in Texas, because that's essential.
The ideas industry has been mostly captured.
They haven't captured fully Texas yet, which is why Texas is so important.
steve bannon
We'll see you guys tomorrow, June.
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