Episode 5265: Making Sure We Keep The Mass Deportations A Priority Heading Into The Midterms
Stephen K. Bannon and Mike Howell prioritize mass deportations, launching a coalition plan to remove one million individuals by 2026 while challenging the Supreme Court on birthright citizenship under the 14th Amendment. They link Democratic immigration strategies to voter importation and allege white supremacist roots in Trumpism, contrasting these views with concerns over potential court losses. The discussion also covers President Trump's imminent exit from the Iran war, NATO basing restrictions, Mike Lindell's "Arctic Frost" conspiracy claims, and Bruce Springsteen's criticism of the administration amidst calls for resistance against authoritarianism. [Automatically generated summary]
Okay, we're a couple hours away from the president giving a major address, I think, from the Oval Office tonight.
I assume it's going to be about, I don't know, 20, 30 minutes long, probably the max.
The networks are picking it up.
So they normally are pretty, when they negotiate these things, they're pretty adamant about the time.
Politico's got a story up with my thoughts.
I'll get back to that in a moment.
We're also a couple hours away from historic, first time in the history of the country that a president has gone up during a live hearing, an argument in front of the Supreme Court.
Mike Howe.
Joins, of course.
Mike, you had a number of big things today, including the launching of the Mass Deportation Coalition Action Plan.
We'll get to that in a second.
I think that people, as they heard the Solicitor General make the arguments today and then heard some of the comments from the various justices and not simply the crazed left wingers, more than ever, it seemed like a great day for you to launch your Mass Deportation Coalition.
Talk to me first what was your sense of what happened at the Supreme Court today?
Yeah, well, obviously, an exciting day that President Trump was there.
I think it was right for him to be there to show how committed he is to ending this absurd and unconstitutional policy that stems from a wrongly decided case so long ago.
I mean, birthright citizenship is a joke.
People just jump the borders, have kids, and now they're citizens.
Chinese use birth tourism.
I mean, get out of here.
No, serious country does that.
And we know why the Democrats want to keep it.
It's because mass migration is their political strategy.
But look, you can't read too much into these hearings.
And I know consensus out there is, It looks like there are some problems with Roberts and Gorsuch and Amy Coney Barrett.
But, you know, let's keep the hope.
It could be 6'3 on the wrong end of things, it could be, you know, closer to 5'4 on the right end of things.
I don't know.
But let's hope wisdom prevails.
I think Sauer did a great job in making the case today.
And hopefully, just the absurdity of this whole legal position that is held out of the Won Kimar case comes to its terrible, terrible demise here.
It's like even the arguments, and Sauer did an amazing job, but the ACLU lawyer and what her arguments were and what the justice were asking.
I mean, Peter Schweitzer lays out in his book that was five weeks number one on the New York Times bestseller list how the Chinese have got, I think, what, 1.4, 1.5 million Manchurian voters over living in mainland China that people have come over and purposely just.
Game the system that I think they're talking the last 24, 48 hours.
They're Chinese billionaires that have hundreds of kids because they've just done this.
Where was the common sense today?
So I don't feel we ever got to just these basic common sense arguments about how ridiculous birthright citizenship is.
Sir, yeah, and not only are they common sense arguments, but they're also legal arguments.
I mean, uh, basically, the ACLU and others are trying to maintain that this is what was intended by the drafters of the 14th Amendment that you know was intended to give rights to slaves and citizenship to the children of slaves.
Uh, and the fact that it's been applied this way and warped to for obvious abuses against not only national security but just like the basics of national sovereignty, uh, does have a tremendous meaning in how the judges.
Should decide this.
I mean, that's what they're there to do.
That's why they're called judges and justices.
They should judge this and arrive at the justice, which is for the American people that we are not just going to be a joke of a country where others can take advantage of our system and have one political party in this country that views it as their demographic strategy to import new voters because they'll give them better policies like free welfare benefits and lack security and continuing a boost because the Democrats cannot change the minds of domestic, natural born.
Of American citizens.
They're losing there.
And so they're trying to import elsewhere.
That's why the mobs are out, you know, protesting like a carnival.
You'll find a hundred page playbook there on how to get to at least one million deportations in 2026 so that in the years to come, all of the illegals can be deported from the United States.
It's about getting the system, policies, tactics, and operations and logistics in place, get the train moving down the tracks.
One million is very doable.
This is informed by the expertise of people who have worn the badge, led the agencies, led serious operations like Eric Prince, lawyers, and advocates all across the country with tremendous grassroots support.
It is a rock solid plan, and it proves that to not do it is a policy choice in and of itself.
It requires the Trump administration to get over the political hurdle that the big donors don't want them to do and go to work sites and start enforcing the law.
And let me just make a final point about why putting these things together is so important.
You know what the Oversight Projects found out right after Trump won the White House this go around?
It said one of the very first things that Democrat attorneys general did was band together for a collective program to sue on birthright citizenship.
They don't sit back and wait.
And watch or trust the plan.
They act, they organize, they push, and even when they're in the minority, they maintain momentum.
That's why we saw the Thune plan to defund ICE and CBP passed today, or the president give it its blessing.
It's because they push, they organize, they never give up.
That's why we formed the Mass Deportation Coalition, because the agenda was taking on water from the special interests, the media, they were landing the blows.
You had that Axios report about James Blair at the White House saying, don't say mass deportation.
And we just had seen enough.
And so we organized and put together the plan.
And now the American people can take a look at it, support it, and know that the president's campaign promise, this signature campaign promise, is doable, justified, and necessary.
Are you recommending that we make this the centerpiece of the midterm elections, that this mass deportation action plan be, we just put it up there and say, hey, up or down vote, and make this really the driving force, the tip of the spear for the midterm elections?
Trump Solicitor General John Sauer did a phenomenal job today.
He made a compelling.
Case, why the 14th Amendment does not provide birthright citizenship to illegal aliens, just like it did not provide birthright citizenship to American Indians.
And Congress did that by statute later on.
So I would say this if the Supreme Court follows the clear law here, this is a very easy case.
It should be six to three, saying that birthright citizenship.
Is not for illegal aliens, right?
If the Supreme Court follows the politics, we could see a seven to two decision for birthright citizenship for 1.5 million Chinese birth tourists.
And I'm a little bit nervous it may be the latter.
Mike Gorsuch, as you know, I was on the committee, the five man committee that offered this up to the president to review, have a couple of picks, and Gorsuch was his guy from the very beginning.
You were obviously very close to Justice Gorsuch.
You led the confirmation fight and did everything.
Talk to me about him because I would say he's a guy that doesn't put the politics up, I don't think.
But he had some pretty, he looked like he was not convinced.
I'm not a lawyer.
I'm certainly not a constitutional lawyer.
But just Gorsuch, I thought, had some of those searing questions.
Your thoughts about Justice Gorsuch and his interactions with John Sauer?
Well, I hope that all of these justices go through the briefs.
They go through the plain text of the 14th Amendment and subsequent legislation, and they look at the original public meaning.
And I think if they do that, if they actually go through that exercise of textualism and originalism, which is how they sold themselves to get the job, I think that the answer is very clear here.
The 14th Amendments, we had the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments, the post Civil War constitutional amendments, the 13th Amendment outlawed slavery.
The 14th Amendment provides equal protection and due process to the freed slaves.
The 15th Amendment provides voting rights to the freed male slaves.
That was extended to Black women with the 19th Amendment, all women, but including the Black women with the 19th Amendment.
As part of the 14th Amendment, we had the Dred Scott decision after the Civil War.
And it was an abomination of a Supreme Court decision that said that the freed slaves do not get American citizenship.
And so part of the 14th Amendment included the birthright citizenship provision that all persons born in the United States, number one, you have to be born here.
And number two, you have to be subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
You have to have allegiance.
Full allegiance to the United States.
And so, as I was saying, American Indians did not have birthright citizenship under the 14th Amendment.
Congress had to provide it to them by statute.
So, you have to ask this dispositive question to these textualists and originalists on the Supreme Court.
If American Indians did not have birthright citizenship under the 14th Amendment, how the hell would illegal aliens?
And then you have to ask this further question Do you think we fought a civil war to give birthright citizenship?
To 1.5 million Chinese birth tourists?
Do we think that we should have over a million Chinese nationals who have American citizenship and live in China and mail in their ballots from China into American elections and take Social Security and other welfare benefits back in Beijing?
I don't think that's what the proponents of the 14th Amendment were trying to accomplish.
And I don't think that's what the public understood.
What the 14th Amendment was trying to accomplish.
So I think that these Supreme Court justices should think long and hard about this decision because if they actually give birthright citizenship under the 14th Amendment to 1.5 Chinese nationals living in Beijing, they are going to destroy, and I mean destroy, the legitimacy of the Supreme Court.
It tells me that President Trump is trying to find a way to end this war unilaterally.
The problem he has is that.
He wants to end the war clearly at this point.
The Iranians get a vote, and their vote seems to be to continue it because they want to exact a price by stressing the world economy, driving the price of oil up, keeping the Strait of Hormuz closed.
So the president seems to be, in a sense, unilaterally saying, look, we're going to wind down activities.
My guess is what he's doing is saying two to three weeks because that gives him enough time to pummel the Iranians even more, which is what his Gulf state allies want.
Saudi Arabia, the UAE.
And then it seems as though they're preparing for a strategy where.
They simply leave.
And maybe the Strait of Hormuz is still closed.
Maybe it's not.
Maybe they get an agreement.
But it's a way out.
It strikes me as a rather bizarre situation because you would have the Strait of Hormuz closed.
Oil would still be extremely expensive.
But it appears that the White House is searching for a way out.
And as they have through this entire process, they're sort of freelancing and throwing stuff up and seeing if it will work.
And that seems the new idea.
Just quit and go home after a few more weeks of this pounding.
The Iranian president today apparently said that Iran might be willing to stop the fighting if they are not attacked again.
And that was in a conversation with a separate leader there.
How do you interpret messages coming from inside Iran, whether it be the president, who may not have that much power right now to begin with, or the foreign minister?
I think it's, I quote what Justice Scalia said in his Hamdan dissent, where their interpretation has these implications that could not possibly have been approved by the 19th century framers of this amendment.
I think that shows that their interpretation has made a mess of the provision.
No, but of course, we're in a new world now, as Justice Alito pointed out, where 8 billion people are one plane ride away from having a child who's a U.S. citizen.
And as Justice Scalia said, I think in the case that Justice Alito was referring to, you've got a constitutional provision that addresses certain evils, and it should be extended to reasonably comparable evils.
He said that about statutory interpretation, I think the same principle applies here, and I think we quote that in our brief.
You said that our NATO allies, Have been disappointing, specifically.
I know you're talking about Spain, Great Britain, France, even Italy now, and that after all of this is done, we will re examine this relationship, and especially when it comes to we pay two thirds of the freight when it comes to NATO defense.
And if it's just, quote, about us defending Europe, you said, you know, at this point, how do we call that?
And we can't have our landing rights in European nations, our allies, at a time when we need them.
Sean, I've been one of the strongest defenders of NATO during my time as a United States Senator because I found great value in it.
It wasn't just about defending Europe.
I said it also allowed us to have military bases in Europe that allowed us to project power into different parts of the world when our national security was threatened.
If now we have reached a point where the NATO alliance means that we can't use those bases, that in fact, we can no longer use those bases to defend America's interests, the NATO is a one way street.
The NATO is simply about us having troops in Europe to defend Europe, but when we need their help, Not their help, we're not asking them to conduct airstrikes.
When we need them to allow us to use their military bases, their answer is no.
Then why are we in NATO?
You have to ask that question.
Why do we have billions and billions of dollars, hundreds of billions of dollars over the years, trillions of dollars, and all these American forces stationed in the region if we can only use, in our time of need, we're not going to be allowed to use those bases.
So I think there's no doubt, unfortunately, after this conflict is concluded, we are going to have to reexamine that relationship.
We're going to have to reexamine the value of NATO and that alliance for our country.
Ultimately, that's a decision for the president to make, and he'll have to make it.
We're going to finish the job here.
As I said, we're very, very close to achieving our objectives on all of these things that I've outlined.
But I do think, unfortunately, we are going to have to reexamine whether or not this alliance that has served this country well for a while is still serving that purpose, or is it now become a one way street where America is simply in a position to defend Europe, but when we need the help of our allies, they're going to deny us basing rights and they're going to deny us overflight?
I think these are very legitimate questions that we need to be asking, and this is going to have to be very carefully examined after this conflict is over.
No, but of course, we're in a new world now, as Jocelyn pointed out, where 8 billion people are one plane ride away from having a child who's a U.S. citizen.
The president going to the Supreme Court today is going to be read as just and talked about, unfortunately, as just another one of his stunts.
But to be very clear, this is a president that thinks he is above all reproach.
This is a president that thought it was smart, politically, and a political advantage to him to go to the Supreme Court to stare the justices down in hopes that they would take that into consideration, one could argue, and rule in his favor.
But here, if we could just step back.
I think that everybody's absolutely correct.
What the president is doing is trying to appeal to a very specific part of his base.
But to be very clear, what has happened inside the current Republican Party apparatus.
Is that things that used to be relegated to the fringe?
This idea that America is quote unquote uniquely for Americans, which translates to America is for foundational Americans, white people in this country, right?
That is white supremacist ideology.
And what has happened under this, not just under this second presidency of Donald Trump, but I would argue since he came to rise in political power, which predates him coming down that escalator, which starts with him questioning the citizenship of the first black president of the United States of America, Barack Obama.
This white supremacist ideology, frankly, is foundational to Donald Trump's political beliefs, if we can argue that he holds any to be true.
The thing that has been consistent is this idea that some people in this country are, in fact, not foundational Americans, that some people in this country, their citizenship deserves to be questioned.
And so this idea that this is just about immigrants in this country, people who have, you know, maybe have come to this country seeking asylum, who have crossed the border illegally, who are undocumented, that is not what this is just about.
And I think what really threw me overall is that what many people expected would be a slam dunk reiteration of the 1898 precedent in Won K. Mark is now turned into a nail biter of a case.
I mean, if you look at legal experts talking online about this case, you see everything from people saying, well, I think it'll still be 9-0, or it should be 9-0, but I'm not sure how we get there.
But really, you see a larger consensus around people saying, I think the administration probably will lose.
But I can't guarantee you that it will.
And we could have a much closer majority than people would expect.
I can count four reliable votes for the ACLU's position, and I can't yet tell you who I think the fifth or sixth or seventh will be.
And if you go back to the current president of the Heritage Foundation, Kevin Roberts, when he came on our network, when we interviewed him on our show, we asked him, was this about Donald Trump or was this bigger?
And he said that Project 2025 and their entire movement was about.
instilling Trumpism in the United States government throughout everything they do so that it far outlasts Donald Trump whenever he is gone.
And so I think that there are real questions to ask JD Vance, to ask Marco Rubio, to ask any elected Republican, current or would be elected Republican in this country, if they are taking up the mantle of the great replacement theory, which is this idea that immigrants in this country are coming in to replace white people and that Democrats are ushering them in to do that.
If they are taking up the mantle of birtherism in this country, if it is the Republican Party platform that they are Questioning the citizenship of anybody whose lineage doesn't go back to the graves, if you will, which to me is a very slippery slope.
Because if we want to get into my lineage, I think it's a little iffy.
Yeah, you know, if you would have asked me two hours ago, it was raining, it still was super cloudy.
I was going to say it probably wouldn't happen tonight, but it cleared out very quickly.
Now we have kind of those ideal weather conditions for the launch to continue to take place.
So the skies are clear, the wind's a little breezy, but as long as those wind gusts stay under about 43 miles per hour at the surface, we should be in the clear.
Now, the only other thing that could defer the launch.
Is technology problems, but I'm staying up to date with the latest updates.
It looks like we're still a go.
And Steve, we're at Jetty Park.
This is a campground near Kennedy Space Center and it is jam packed full.
So no reservations, no one could get in last minute.
And a lot of people here have come from all over the country.
I'm talking Maine, Wisconsin, other people from Colorado.
So this is a very cool experience.
The overall theme Is that this is a historic and very patriotic launch?
Yeah, that's what it looks like right now, and weather conditions should be.
Cooperating.
And, you know, the crew, they've been suited up since 10 a.m.
So they've been going through, you know, technology procedures and other safety procedures to make sure that this thing is safe and cleared to launch tonight.
Now, if for any reason it does get canceled this evening, they will try again tomorrow.
So we have about six consecutive days where they can push the launch.
If it doesn't happen, though, by I think it's next Monday, they will push it into May.
So I know a lot of people here extended their trip.
Or change their plans to make sure that they could be here.
So I know a lot of people keeping their fingers crossed.
It should go tonight, and I think it will too now.
If the countdown goes as it looks like it is, it'll be live during the John Solomon hour in our.
Next hour, immediately following the war room.
John Solomon is also going to be back tonight.
8 50, we're going to pick up from the studio 6B people at the very end of their show.
Solomon, Pasovic, and myself will jump in about 8 50, 8 55, tee up the president's address, and then the president will talk to the nation about what he calls an update, and then we'll have commentary and observations immediately afterwards.
So, all the war room posse, make sure you're back here at 8 50.
Mike Lindell, today, we had the Supreme Court, the president went.
Yesterday, he signed the executive order.
There's already a firestorm in the executive order.
I think they're already getting ready to sue him and take him to court over mail in ballots.
He wanted to get good voter rolls, he wanted to get mail in ballots sorted out, and they're already getting ready to take him to court.
So we'll be back in front of the federal court, the federal bench, the appeals court, all of it between now and that.
We were talking about making immigration a national issue for this upcoming midterm.
What do you think we also make it about voter integrity?
We know that that is another basic plank of the MAGA movement.
Well, that is, you know, when I'm running for governor of Minnesota, we did a poll last August and election integrity was number three in Minnesota of concerns.
That's moved up quite a bit with all the other concerns, everybody.
But you know, it's a big thing when they keep attacking us, attacking the president for wanting to get to a secure election.
Steve, I just found out today I've been working with Arctic Frost, everybody.
This is the code name for the operation done against MyPillow by our own government.
We found out today by lawyers we have working on it that it's still going on.
There were banks involved with this where they were not honoring buying stuff from MyPillow.
You can't make this up, everybody.
This has been the biggest attack on a company in the history of the world.
They would not honor people's cards as you went to buy MyPillow products.
We went back a long way after we found out about this.
So if you ever went to buy something from MyPillow, everybody, if you're watching, and you got a card that your bank said that they flagged it and they wouldn't honor it for MyPillow, this was Arctic Frost.
We're just finding this out, Steve, today.
I've been on the phone for three hours with lawyers.
This is disgusting.
These are big name banks that were taking the.
All of a sudden, my pillow would come through and it would flag it for fraud or flag it for declining it, even though the customer had money.
This is disgusting.
And we're not letting up.
I mean, I'm getting to the bottom of it.
But it cost my pillow millions upon millions of dollars.
I believe already up now, Arctic Frost, we have a third party.
look at it it's over 500 million dollars that arctic frost has cost cost my pillow since january of 2022.
The biggest and most attacked company in history.
Why, everybody?
Because I want to secure our elections.
And that's the only reason.
And one that I back our great president, Donald Trump.
You're coming through stronger than ever, but people have to understand what they've done.
To destroy you because you were the one that sat there and said, Hey, the 2020 election's stolen, and here's how it was stolen, and we got to set this thing right.
Now, President Trump and everybody's fighting to do this, but you can tell how savage they are.
They even get the banks on it.
Mike Lindell, thank you so much, brother.
I'll talk to you during the president's speech and see you tomorrow.
Mike running for governor now in Minnesota.
President Trump, very, this is the first time.
I mean, he's talked to the nation before in various aspects as we've been covering.
This is the first time he's actually.
Gone and formally address the nation tonight and go to the broadcast companies, which are very hesitant about giving time.
I mean, they'll do it.
It has to be a time of kind of a national importance, and this is tonight.
There's no doubt about that.
I think the president's just going to lay out in a very succinct way what the objectives were, what he's accomplished, what he thinks we still have to do to accomplish.
And I do believe he's going to talk about this NATO ally situation where, as I think Marco said it very well, it's not simply the fact.
They haven't been there for us in supporting us, is that they actually restricted our ability to use our own forces that happen to be stationed in Europe, particularly now Spain was a bilateral deal with Spain.
But England, the bases, France was very difficult, Italy was very difficult.
I mean, it's just we don't need to put up with the Nonsense.
I think the president's going to address that tonight too.
I also would say the only reason people say he has to go back to the Senate, they slipped into an omnibus bill years ago.
The president had to go back to him to get out of NATO.
I think that's unconstitutional and I think that will be challenged.
So the president can make a decision, I think, on NATO as he wants to make it.
Also, the turbulence in capital markets throughout the world, particularly in the commodities market of oil, makes it now more than ever the end of the dollar empire.
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On the president last night.
They kicked off that tour in Minneapolis.
We'll have more about that tomorrow.
We're going to let you hear Bruce Springs because we know the Warren Posse didn't get enough cold open.
So we're going to have Springsteen.
We're also going to have Natasha Owens finish with her song, which is a counter to Bruce Springsteen.
We're going to be back here at.
John Solomon is going to pick up.
They're going to have the launch.
We're going to be back here at 8 50 at the end of Studio 6B.
And we're going to have John Solomon, Jack Posobic, and a whole host of other people.
After the president's speech, we'll break it all down.
I believe he's going to lay out to the nation what he's tried to achieve, what he feels that he and the military have achieved.
So you do not want to miss him tonight, 9 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time, 8 50.
And right during the John Salmon Show, for all the way to the run up, they're going to have many of our top contributors and analysts on to tee up about the speech.
Trevor Comstock, fantastic time to have you on to give us something upbeat, right?
The president is going to give a great report tonight.
We're going to have a spatial launch in a moment, send folks to the moon.
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