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March 20, 2026 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 5230: The Enemy Is Within The Gates

Steve Bannon and guests dissect the Middle East conflict, alleging a domestic "enemy within" of 5 million Muslims following Sharia law while debating Iran's imminent nuclear threat. The conversation shifts to Senate maneuvers under the Save America Act, where Ted Stutesman separates voter ID provisions for a critical vote against Democrats, whom Bannon labels the "Warren Posse." Simultaneously, Natalie Winters argues for a 20-year immigration moratorium based on claims that H-1B visas depress wages and facilitate corporate exploitation. Ultimately, the episode frames these domestic political battles as essential defenses against perceived external and internal subversion. [Automatically generated summary]

Participants
Main
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natalie winters
12:46
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steve bannon
r 12:33
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tommy tuberville
sen/r 07:24
Appearances
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antonio guterres
un 00:47
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benjamin netanyahu
isr 01:48
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cleta mitchell
01:44
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donald j trump
admin 00:53
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hasan minhaj
03:30
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kash patel
admin 00:36
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mike lee
sen/r 00:30
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mike lindell
r 01:33
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steve cohen
d 00:48
Clips
j
jimmy gomez
rep/d 00:25
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john ratcliffe
00:15
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tulsi gabbard
admin 00:07
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zohran mamdani
d 00:13
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Speaker Time Text
Why Japan Wasn't Told 00:01:51
steve cohen
How many days before we invaded Iran, did you know we were going to launch an invasion?
kash patel
We can get into those details on a classify setting, but I work with my colleagues across the spectrum here to give me advance warnings so that we can reinforce them.
steve cohen
Was it two days, three days, a month?
kash patel
It was sometime before that, sir.
steve cohen
Sometime before that.
With that knowledge, why did you fire at least a dozen agents in Counterintelligence Unit 12 that specializes in Iran counterintelligence, which makes us much less secure and safe with this war going on from Iranian attacks potentially against our country?
kash patel
As I said earlier, Congressman, I don't work on timelines when these terminations occur.
There are internal investigations conducted by the careers at the FBI that highlight unethical or inappropriate conduct, and it's up to me to make the decision.
But our Iran threats mission center has never been more resourced, as I've highlighted a 43% increase in counter-espionage arrests from Iran alone and 360 ongoing terrorism investigations with Iran-affiliated.
steve cohen
And the people you fired, those 12 people, they were experts on Iran, were they not?
kash patel
I don't believe so.
steve cohen
They worked in counterintelligence, did they not?
kash patel
I'm taking you at your word, sir.
I'm not familiar with that.
steve cohen
You're the chief director.
I'm not.
You should know the answer.
You fired the people.
Where did they work?
People were terminated for violating their ethical obligations and the high standards of the U.S. Was the ethical violations that they dealt with the case of the classified documents that were found at the bathroom in Mar-a-Lago.
Was that the ethical issue?
kash patel
As I said earlier, all those matters are pending litigation, so I'm not going to comment on them.
unidentified
Of course, no, Japan and U.S. are very good friends.
But one question, why didn't you tell U.S. allies in Europe and Asia, like Japan, about the war before attacking Iran?
So we are very confused about Japanese security.
The Surprise Attack on Iran 00:07:58
donald j trump
Well, one thing you don't want to signal too much, you know, when we go in, we went in very hard, and we didn't tell anybody about it because we wanted surprise.
Who knows better about surprise than Japan?
unidentified
Okay?
donald j trump
Why didn't you tell me about Pearl Harbor?
Okay?
Right?
He's asking me, do you believe in surprise?
I think much more so than us.
And we had a surprise, and we did.
And because of that surprise, we knocked out the first two days, we probably knocked out 50% of what we, and much more than we anticipated doing.
So if I go and tell everybody about it, there's no longer a surprise.
hasan minhaj
You talked to Prime Minister Menet Yahoo about attacking the oil and gas fields.
unidentified
Yeah, I did.
I did.
donald j trump
I told him, don't do that.
And he won't do that.
We didn't discuss.
You know, we do, we're independent, we get along great.
It's coordinated, but on occasion, he'll do something.
And if I don't like it, and so we're not doing that anymore.
benjamin netanyahu
I think that what has to be done is to have alternative routes.
Instead of going through the choke points of the Hormuz Straits and the Babil Mandib Straits, in order to have the flow of oil, just have oil pipelines, gas pipelines, going west through the Arabian Peninsula, right up to Israel, right up to our Mediterranean ports, and you've just done away with the choke points forever.
That is definitely possible, Sud.
I see that as a real change that will follow this war.
But I also see this war ending a lot faster than people think.
And the fact that we're working together, America is not fighting for Israel.
America is fighting with Israel.
I could tell you that we're working to create the conditions for it to collapse.
But it may survive.
It may not.
If it survives, it'll be a lot weaker.
There's no comparison.
Will be at its weakest point, shorn of industries that it built over decades, death industries, shorn of many other capabilities that they have, and equipped with the experience, with the knowledge that if they try it again, they'll be hit again even harder.
unidentified
Did I see brief the president on who would succeed the Supreme Leader if he was killed and the likelihood that our placement would be a hardliner?
john ratcliffe
Was the president said again?
unidentified
Was the president did the IC brief the president on who would succeed the Supreme Leader if he was killed and the likelihood that our placement would be a hardliner or could be a hardliner?
john ratcliffe
So, to be clear, the president's objectives with respect to Operation Epic Fury did not include regime change.
That may be different from what Israel's objectives were.
But yes, the president was briefed in the event that Supreme Leader.
unidentified
That's great.
Thank you so much.
I'm sorry to cut you off.
I just have 20 seconds.
benjamin netanyahu
Fact number one: Israel acted alone against the Slawia gas compound.
Fact number two: President Trump asks us to hold off on future attacks, and we're holding out.
unidentified
Prime Minister, given the escalation of attacks on U.S. allies across the Gulf, given the spiraling energy costs, the high costs in general that the U.S. service personnel killed in this war, many Americans are asking that question: whether you misled their government into starting this war, and for how long should Americans keep paying the price?
benjamin netanyahu
Well, I misled no one, and I didn't have to convince President Trump about the need to prevent Iran from developing its nuclear program, putting it underground, and being able to launch nuclear-tipped missiles at the United States.
He understood that.
He explained it to me.
I didn't explain it to him.
And I think that our partnership is the only way to avoid this catastrophic development.
hasan minhaj
Whether you would or could continue the war without the USA.
cleta mitchell
Just one question, Jeremy.
unidentified
Thank you.
Could you, without our United States, without the refueling capabilities, for example?
We're going to close this.
Thank you so much.
Thank you, Mr. Prime Minister.
Thank you, everyone, for your questions today.
jimmy gomez
War, he said that they were weeks away.
I just want to kind of get a sense.
Were they weeks away of achieving a nuclear weapon?
Yes or no?
tulsi gabbard
Congressman, this is a serious matter, and you've made some very serious mischaracterizations.
jimmy gomez
Yes or no?
Were they weeks away?
tulsi gabbard
Yes, they're no service to you and the American people to answer this.
jimmy gomez
Claiming my time, claiming my time.
Were they weeks away or not?
The American people need to know if this was an imminent threat or not.
If they're weeks away or not.
If they're months away or not.
None of this dodging.
Were they an imminent threat?
steve bannon
Thursday, 19 March, year of our Lord 2026.
On the Senate, there are, I guess, debating moving forward with the Save America Act.
We've got Senator Tuberville here, tons of action in the war.
Another night of the heaviest bombing, going to be another one tonight, we are told.
But this thing's broadening out now.
Qatar has put people on notice.
They may implement, they may call for force majeure for up to five-year contracts on delivery of gas to the Middle East.
We're getting all that.
Senator Tuberville has joined us.
And Senator Tuberville, before I get to the SAVE Act and before I get to the war, because we always want your ideas and opinions about kinetic activity and kind of the strategy, I want to go back.
You put out a, I think, a tweet where you said controversial people's heads blew up about the enemies inside the gate.
You had a picture, if we can put that up, you had a picture of the Twin Towers, which you almost never see anymore, 25 years after it on fire being attacked.
And then Mondame in City Hall under a portrait of General Washington On the prayer rugs, uh, having a staff meeting.
We're fighting a major war now in the Middle East about topics related to radical Islamic theology.
We're down in Texas.
We've been in Texas and other places in the West working on this situation with the Muslim invasion of the United States of America.
When you say the enemy's inside the gate, what do you mean by that?
tommy tuberville
Well, we're at war here now, Steve.
They're here.
We've got over 5 million Muslims here that go by Sharia law, worship the Koran.
We all like immigrants.
We're all immigrants to some form or fashion.
And I've got some Muslim friends, but they don't study and teach the Sharia law.
They don't go by the Koran.
They go by something else.
They're here to make our country better, but we have got millions that are here that are here to take our country down.
And somebody better start speaking up.
I was today speaking with some people from Europe that were in my office, and they say it's over.
And they're going to have to fight in the streets.
And you and I have talked about that to get their country back.
We don't want to have to do that here.
So it's time to speak up, call it like it is.
And we got a lot of problems.
And my damny is the enemy.
He is a guy that is going to destroy New York ever which way he can.
And, you know, it's just, it's just unfortunate we're at this point, but we've got to start speaking up and talking about it.
If we don't, we're going to end up just like Europe.
And 10 years from now, we're going to be fighting in the streets trying to get this country back.
steve bannon
Senator, you've been one of the strongest allies, proponents of President Trump and his policies, and particularly this issue about closing the border and then figuring out and going through this deportation effort.
Fighting the Enemy Within 00:02:41
steve bannon
The principal topic besides closing the board of President Trump won in 2024.
Mark Wayne Mullins was before the Senate yesterday on DHS and said, hey, his policy is going to be judicial warrants to go into any business or any home where they're not actually in the full pursuit of a bad guy, a bad ombre.
How does that link back to your, hey, we're at war here.
And we got 20 or 25 million illegals just on Biden's watch, which was done on purpose.
This whole shutdown of DHS, the whole problem we got with the budget, the whole polarization in the imperial capital is about this.
At the same time, that, and you've been one of the biggest deficit hawks.
The Penny Department of War, Pete Hicks, who we're a big supporter of Pete and love Pete, sends over a $200 billion bill for Tommy Tupperville and other peoples to suck on.
Is somehow this thing like not focus on what we should be focused on?
tommy tuberville
Well, Steve, there's so many things out there that makes everybody's head spin up here.
I mean, we're talking about, we've got these gookballs on the Democrat side that they can't do simple things like fund the government.
They can't fund DHS or FEMA or the Coast Guard.
It's just absolutely amazing.
We should get all these block and tackling things out of the way, the fundamentals, and really work on the problems in this country, which is enemy within the gate, the wars we're having in Iran, the terrorism, the things that are going on there.
But it's hard to do that up here.
And now, you know, I was with the president all day yesterday.
I went to Delaware.
We had a kid that was in that crash of the 135 over in Iraq.
And so they brought the bodies home yesterday.
I went with him and we talked a lot.
But Pete Hesker was there.
General Kane, first time I'd really been able to sit down other than classified, and just talk to him.
And, you know, they feel good about everything going on.
I'm just glad that people like the Secretary of War and General Kane can get away from this nonsense that the Democrats are putting us through and focus on their job.
And that's been awesome, I think, that their action can focus on whether it's Venezuela, Cuba, or Iran.
And they're doing a great job.
And they got, just listen to their plan.
They have a hell of a plan.
And it's a total changeover than what we had during Joe Biden.
I mean, these people actually have been planning for months, doing things and making tremendous progress.
So again, I don't, up here, we don't get a lot done.
We talk a lot and we speak loud.
We bark loud, but we don't do a lot for the American people, unfortunately.
Democrats Plan a Filibuster 00:05:29
steve bannon
One thing you guys could do is the Save America Act.
Are you confident?
Where do we stand?
We're going to cut, we're staying here live till seven tonight, like we've done every night this week, to cut into live coverage of what's happening on the floor.
Give us your assessment of where we are.
tommy tuberville
A lot of talk, no action.
We will have a couple of amendments.
I have an amendment that we'll vote on Saturday.
We'll be here Saturday, Sunday.
We're not going to go home until we get all this matter put to bed, so to speak.
My amendment is, as President Trump wanted, was this is the fourth time I put it on the floor.
No men and women's sports should never have been a problem to begin with.
But obviously, as I will tell the Democrats when I'm talking about this before we vote, this helped beat you last time.
Keep voting against it because we'll beat you with it again if you think men should play in women's sports.
But the thing about this whole weekend is we don't have the vote, Steve.
We don't have the votes even on the Republican side.
We couldn't get a 51 vote if we needed to.
We'll be three or four votes short.
And then if you needed 60 votes, if you're counting on the Democrats to vote for anything for the American people to make this country better, you're living a dream.
steve bannon
I tell you what, Senator, I know you're busy.
I just want to hold you to a quick commercial break because I do have some questions on the Save America Act.
This audience will be here through the weekend as we do world-to-world coverage on this and to make sure that people can understand it.
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And folks, we're in our fourth turning.
Plenty of turbulence.
Senator Tommy Tubberville from the great state of Alabama on the other side.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, welcome back.
We're going to be on the Senate floor, maybe for some of this hour, definitely for the six o'clock hour as this debate goes on on the Save America Act.
Senator Tubberville, you said on Saturday you're going to get a chance to put your amendment up that President Trump once added to this about men and women's sports.
And then you said Sunday again, we're going to be covering it just to give our audience head up.
We now do a Sunday show, so we'll be covering all this.
Is this when we finally flip to seize the floor and go to some sort of talking filibuster?
I mean, you kind of shocked the audience by saying, hey, guys, pay attention.
We don't have 51 votes.
If the Democrats turned to us right now and said, okay, no filibuster, go ahead and vote.
You're saying we don't have 51 right now on the Republican side to carry this, sir?
tommy tuberville
Yeah, if we had a straight vote today and the Democrats said, see if you can get a simple majority, we'll let you try that.
We don't have the votes.
We got four or five people that are not going to vote for it.
And they don't believe in federalizing elections.
And as I say, this is a different world.
I mean, we've got 15 states in this country that they're absolutely going to allow illegals to vote.
And there's no way an American Republican can ever win in that state again.
I don't care if it's a school board meeting or president of the United States.
You can't win.
And so we cannot allow non-citizens to vote.
And people in Alabama, Steve, the biggest thing to me, they come to me and say, coach, is my vote going to be canceled by an illegal?
Is that what's going to happen?
Are y'all not going to change something?
And a lot of my colleagues, you know, they can't understand it.
They want to stay with tradition and it's going to get us.
steve bannon
Do you believe as we work through this late on Sunday afternoon or Monday that you think this just kind of works itself out?
And I mean, it just peters out, it fizzles out and there will be no forcing, what they call seize the floor to try to force a standing filibuster?
tommy tuberville
Well, I'd like to try.
Yeah, I'd like to try anything.
Mike Lee has been adamant.
He said, let's take the floor.
Let's make them stay here.
Let's make them debate day in and day out.
And if that's what it takes, I think that would be our only chance to where we could just wear them down.
Now, again, we've got to start with our Republican colleagues the same way.
We've got to get some of them on our side before we even can start with any Democrats at all.
And of course, Chuck Schumer's gotten them all standing in line and saying you're not going to get any campaign money if you vote for this.
I mean, it's a scheme that the Democrats have going.
It's just unfortunate.
steve bannon
Senator, I think it was in 2024 you went over for the first time to the commemoration of the Normandy landings.
Islamophobia and Refugee Waves 00:12:29
steve bannon
I believe your father was a tank commander.
I think he was there D-Day Plus a couple of days, and then it was with Patton and the other armies that went across Europe.
That experience you had to go back for the first time and see actually the scale of what your father and others had accomplished, how is that informing your view now about what is going on and what are we asking of young men and women in Iran?
tommy tuberville
Well, it's mind-boggling.
Of course, you've been to Normandy.
You've seen Utah Beach, which is not near as an incline as the other beaches.
And that's the reason my dad was a tank driver and they came on to Utah Beach because they could make it up the slopes.
But, you know, we lost, what, 50,000 young men and women during that couple, two or three, three-day battle.
It just brings tears to your eyes.
It really does.
And, you know, that's the reason I really dread, if anything, if we get into any ground war, because I think we can handle what we need to handle with what we're doing right now.
And President Trump believes that too.
He doesn't want any form or fashion of boots on the ground.
But at the end of the day, we all got to be in on whatever it takes to put these people back in their place because they are as dangerous right now as the Nazis were back in 1940s.
steve bannon
You stay pretty close to the folks in Alabama.
In fact, you're leaving the Senate to run for governor.
As your constituents right now take their temperature, where do they stand on this war?
tommy tuberville
Now, they're pretty good.
I mean, you hear some talk about why, why are we doing this?
Because most people aren't really informed.
They don't understand all the attacks that we've had.
This is accumulation, as you well know, Steve, of many, many years of all the different terrorist groups around the world that are funded by Iran and China and some of these people behind the scenes.
And we've got to cut the head of the snake.
And you're in my lifetime.
This will be the only chance we have to do that.
A lot of people saying it's because of Israel.
It's probably some about Israel, but it's more about peace in the world because President Trump started in the Western Hemisphere with Venezuela.
Obviously, Cuba is working on Mexico.
But what's going on in Iran, these people are absolutely loonytoons.
And if they ever got a nuclear weapon, whether they were working on one or got closer to one, I don't care.
I just want to make sure, and the people of this country and the world need to make sure that these crazies do not have any kind of access to a dirty bomb or a nuclear weapon.
If they do, they will damn sure use it.
I mean, they're not like North Koreans.
They're not like the Russians.
They are crazy because they love death and they preach death to America every day.
steve bannon
Senator Tuberville, where do people follow you?
Your campaign for governor and where they follow your social media always comes in a little hot telling folks what's going on in the U.S. Senate.
tommy tuberville
At Senator Tuberville and then at Coach4Gov, Steve, thank you very much.
steve bannon
We'll follow you through the weekend and maybe reach out.
So good luck soon.
tommy tuberville
Yeah, reach out.
We'll be here.
We'll be here twiddling our thumb, Steve.
steve bannon
Thank you, sir.
Always appreciate your straightforwardness and honesty.
Natalie Winters.
We started with Coach Tuberville talking about he put up a tweet the other day about the enemy's inside the gate, right?
About he had the twin towers and he had Mamdani on a prayer rug in front of, I think, the portrait of George Washington at the New York City Hall, wasn't Gracie Mansion City Hall.
You've had some people come after you pretty hard recently about some of the positions, some of the analysis, because you're not a pundit, some of the analyses you've been doing on exactly the situation in the United States of America with illegal aliens and legal immigration, ma'am.
Am I correct in that assumption?
natalie winters
Well, they've been coming after you too.
So I guess we'll both take the arrows.
But look, I think you can really connect all of this, right?
Whether it's this idea that we have to combat Islamophobia, that seems to be the new woke obsession by just pointing out, I don't know, the simple fact that Islam is not a religion of peace.
And even if it were, it's antithetical to Western values.
But you compound that with, I'm sure, we'll play the clip of the way the legacy media is already churning the propaganda machine, trying to make Americans feel sympathetic for, you know, Afghan refugees who are now caught up in the Iran war, who now need to suddenly come to the United States.
Because I'm sure an Afghan soldier never lied once to get refugee or citizenship status here in the United States in the asylum process.
And then you link it, I think, to what's going on in Iran, the lively discussions that the MAGA movement is having about what it means to use American state power and battlefields abroad.
And I love Senator Tuberville, but I would respectfully say that I think it does matter the calculus of why went into Iran.
If it is somewhat, even just somewhat related to Israel's actions, I think that that's something that merits further discussion and a question into, not because I'm conspiratorially anti-Israel, but because America first means America first.
And I think that that chain of command, that order of decision making is something that merits more analysis.
And frankly, I do care whether it's, you know, Iran had a bomb or was really close to a bomb or they were going to be a dirty bomb.
Now all of a sudden it's not a nuclear bomb.
You know, I think there's a lot of questions that people are allowed to ask, and it's kind of an interesting pushback when you just want more clarity.
But I think the H-1B visa issue, which is what will also play a clip on a rather funny segment from a pretty awful comedian trying to suggest that MAGA should support H-1B visas and attacking this show as leading the kind of fight to say that actually H-1B is really not even immigration policy,
it's shareholder policy to help boost the bottom line of companies that hate this country, unless I guess they can get, you know, quadruple the contracts from the Pentagon in light of a new war.
But all of this stuff flows together.
And obviously, our audience stays frosty, they see through it.
But there's a lot of, I think, propaganda right now between the Islam stuff, the refugee appeal to all the emotions.
Obviously, this audience isn't going to fall for it.
But very valid questions, I think, about America's role in the world.
And I will say, interesting polling coming out today about how more allies want to rely on China than the United States.
steve bannon
I want to play, I'm going to wait after the break to play all.
I was going to play one of them here, but I want to hold for it.
You born very early in this, when I say very early, and I think we're coming up on the third week of it, that you can't discount the refugee replacement and how this could be a total fiasco.
Do you feel, as someone that does investigative reporting, stays on top of this, do you feel given the scale of what this war could have?
You've got the situation with the canceling, potentially canceling of five-year gas contracts.
You've got the situation with refugees.
Now they're talking about, I think Bibi today at his press conference talked about potential ground troops.
Do you think the information's coming out enough that people can make judgments and the war impossibly can sit there and weigh and measure?
We got about a minute.
Can weigh and measure exactly what's going to see if they were answered, asked by a pollster that they would actually have enough information to answer?
natalie winters
Definitely not.
I mean, I think if you just single out the refugee issue, the only agency that I've seen even giving us numbers is the United Nations.
Very rarely do I uncritically or unironically quote the United Nations, but unfortunately, they're the only people on the ground even doing the analysis.
And even the numbers that they're putting forward are to the tune of millions of people, even hundreds of thousands, and the small country of Lebanon alone.
And I think the point is the reason why there's such an opposition to forever wars, I'm aware this is not a forever war, it's been a few weeks, but it's the second, third, and fourth order effects of getting involved in Muslim-majority regions.
They fight to the death.
They hate this country.
That also means you can't have unconditional surrender from an Islamic country, let alone with the evolution and drone warfare.
But from a crazy, radicalized Muslim state, we're going to be dealing with these sleeper cells and refugee replacement for decades to come.
steve bannon
Hang on for a second, Natalie.
We're going to take a short commercial break.
We've got some clips.
We're going to have some observations and some analysis of all of you're in the war room on a Thursday afternoon.
unidentified
Short break.
antonio guterres
Ramadan draws to a close.
Muslims around the world reaffirm values that also form the foundation of UN Charter.
Empathy for the vulnerable, generosity towards neighbors, and responsibility towards the wider community.
These universal principles must guide our global response to hatred and division.
On this international day to combat Islamophobia, let us recommit to the equality, human rights, and dignity of every person everywhere.
Let us reject the narratives of fear and exclusion.
And let us work together to eradicate the rising tide of anti-Muslim hatred and bigotry and build a world rooted in respect, inclusion, justice, and peace.
steve bannon
Natalie Winters, your observations, ma'am.
natalie winters
So that's the leader of United Nations speaking on the, I guess, International Day to Combat Islamophobia, which in and of itself is an oxymoron.
I think it's a totally justified fear.
It's not a phobia.
But I think you're seeing a sort of resurgence of what are very 2016 era talking points, sort of in response, frankly, to what this audience has been doing, which is calling out the threat of Sharia supremacy, the metastasization of Islam through this country.
So to sort of quell or suppress that discourse, what do they do?
unidentified
Right?
natalie winters
It's the ad hominems act.
They say you're Islamophobic.
And I think that that's actually really quite a dangerous development when you look at the national security implications, particularly when it comes to things like, you know, oh, it's racial profiling, right?
All these euphemistic, or I guess the opposite, the inverse of that terms to describe what is just protecting the national security of the United States.
I think we can spare a little bit of diversity to make sure that, you know, young American children aren't blown up in the name of Allah.
But it's quite interesting when you look at what the UN is doing, which I think you can always sort of look to them as a figurehead for what the globalists are seeking to do in all of these countries.
They are launching or getting ready to launch a new UN action plan to combat Islamophobia.
And one of their special envoy was talking about what exactly that would entail.
And even for the UN, it's pretty radical, including, but not limited to what they describe as addressing the quote root causes of hatred and using quote education of the schools, media, and full public.
Also using legislative issues, legislation to try to, I don't know, root out not just Islamophobia, but the attitude of Islamophobia, which when you really unpack that, that's pretty wild.
They're already talking and in talks with the tech platform, civil society, to sort of put out this censorship regime to, again, suppress Islamophobic content, which we've all seen.
You can't even really define that.
That's basically anything that's not like, let's open our borders to a bunch of third world invaders and watch the United States turn into an Islamic country.
But they even talk about how they can monitor better the rise of Islamophobia by using quote databases to follow up with more concrete steps.
So I think this happening congruently with what's going on in the Middle East, when you could potentially see a huge refugee wave incoming, you're already going to start seeing the argument that, you know, it's Islamophobic to not let in the millions of refugees from Muslim-majority countries.
steve bannon
Yeah, you're going to see it.
You nailed it.
You're going to see this.
Replacing Americans with Workers 00:14:07
steve bannon
This is a longer clip, H-1B visas.
I want the audience to focus on this.
And Natalie and I will be on the other side.
hasan minhaj
Now, the Republican battle over H-1Bs has two sides.
On one side is the corporate tech MAGA, the ones who all lined up at Trump's inauguration and funneled money into his slush fund.
They argue that H-1B visas are critical to allow them to hire the kind of top-tier talent that they need to make sure America remains a world leader in innovation.
They have a strong case.
Nearly half of Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants or the children of immigrants.
And a recent report found that over half of U.S. startups valued at a billion dollars or more had at least one immigrant founder.
Now, on the other side are the opponents to the H-1B, the nativist wing of MAGA.
Now, when most people think of this group, they think of Steve Bannon, the guy who did for all of Canvas Jackets what Hillary Clinton did for the pantsuit.
Bannon has been on one about H-1Bs for a long time.
steve bannon
The H-1B visa program is a total and complete scam from its top to the bottom.
The H-1Bs is a total and complete scam.
This is all about paying one group a third of what you pay the other group with no benefits and they're living 10-to-a-condo in Silicon Valley.
hasan minhaj
Now, since Kirk's death, there has been no shortage of young, ambitious H-1B haters auditioning to take his place.
But I want to focus on a few very promising young upstarts.
First, we have Natalie Winters, the 24-year-old protege of Steve Bannon and the White House correspondent for his War Room podcast.
Last year, Natalie got a splashy girl boss profile in the New York Times.
Yas Queen, and she regularly says this stuff about Indian people.
natalie winters
They're not the best embritas.
They're the worst and they're the most attached to the culture that they're coming from, and they have nothing American about them.
And frankly, they have a fake diploma from a fake Indian university where the person sitting next to them is probably a robocaller scamming you.
hasan minhaj
Come on, Natalie.
We have fake diplomas here in America too.
They're called poli-sci degrees, and we both have them.
Welcome to the griff.
But if America is all about letting the best rise to the top, how do you justify shutting down legal immigration?
I mean, that's anti-competitive.
And that's when I started listening more closely to Natalie Winters.
natalie winters
Immigration is both an economic issue, but also a cultural issue, right?
We want to deport these people, not just because they're depriving Americans of their wages, of their jobs, but also what they're doing to the cultural fabric, what they're doing to these neighborhoods.
unidentified
Got it.
hasan minhaj
So there's something about foreign cultures that is bad for America.
Now, what exactly is it about those cultures that Natalie finds so offensive?
natalie winters
And should we be studying, you know, 25 hours a day, eight days, you know, increase the length of the day so all we can do is study?
That's not what this country was founded on.
If you look at the history of us.
hasan minhaj
Got it.
So you don't like lazy immigrants?
Totally get that.
But you also don't like immigrants who work hard.
So here's what I'm seeing.
Gen Z conservatives, like the rest of Gen Z, are struggling economically.
They feel like they deserve a decent job with a decent wage and to still have time to live a life.
The problem is, if they said that, they'd start to sound like these losers.
mike lindell
Workers throughout the country are seeing their family life fall apart as they are forced to spend more and more time at work.
zohran mamdani
My vision is not limited to the homes that we live in or the child care that we're making universal.
It's also a vision where we make it possible for working people to afford lives of joy, of art, of rest, of expression.
unidentified
We don't have to live like this anymore.
We can make a new world, a better country, where we can fight for the dignity of all people.
hasan minhaj
So instead of appealing to a sense of solidarity and fighting for economic security and dignity for all Americans, MAGA is appealing to a zero-sum mentality and saying, if we kick out the boat Browns and the airport Browns, well, guess what?
We'll have more to ourselves.
And this reveals what MAGA really means when it says merit.
Yeah, you earn it through hard work and education, but if you're born here and your parents were born here, you get extra merit points for being a heritage American.
It's basically Kendall Roy at the end of succession screaming, I'm the eldest boy.
You can call this racial entitlement, you can call it white nationalism, but I call it white valedictorianism.
We all know this.
The valedictorian in every school, if you go on grades alone, is the Chinese kid.
It's always the Chinese kid.
It will always be the Chinese kid.
But MAGA's like, no!
Just keep going down the list.
Go through the Chinese kid, the Vietnamese kid, the Korean kid, the Indian kid, the Pakistani kid, the Bengali kid, back to the Chinese kid.
Just keep going until you get to the white one.
The 13th place guy, that's the valedictorian.
As much as MAGA and Republicans claim they want merit, they don't.
As much as they claim they just want to hire the best, most hardworking immigrants, they don't.
What they really want is a preferential treatment for being heritage Americans.
They're not enforcing meritocracy.
They're enforcing hierarchy, almost like a caste system, which is the most Indian thing they could be doing.
steve bannon
Natalie Winners, thank you for that.
Quite interesting.
By the way, I was the follow-on speaker to Vivek's Heritage American speech back in December at Turning Point.
I might mention Vivek, who was on quite a roll with, you know, you got to stop sleepovers because you got to study 24-7, which really kind of misses the point of what's made this country great.
Vivek, I think, is down 10 points in the last poll I saw and is dragging down the Senate candidates of Sherry Brown, a populist economic populist looks like he's going to win.
Natalie, they've singled you out.
I think they've singled you out because your career is totally about merit.
You've grinded through one of the toughest prep schools in the country, went to University of Chicago three years.
You graduate at the same time you held down being an investigative reporter for us and really, I think, being the most serious investigative reporter about the warfare of the Chinese Communist Party against the United States of America.
Your overall observations as now you are singled out, ma'am, as somebody that's, and I want to say it's not just H-1B visas.
I'm all for a 10-year.
I believe we need a 10-year moratorium in this country immediately on all immigration, all of it.
The whole thing's a scam.
It's all rotten to the core of it.
We take in a million a year officially, but it's got with all the different rules and regulations, you're really taking in millions a year, right?
If not tens of millions a year.
And we've got 25 million illegal alien invaders here off of Biden.
Of course, our new kung fu fighter, DHS, says he only wants judicial warrants until we can go into any business.
Didn't talk about E-Verify, talk about a judicial warrant for you going to business.
No, bro, that's not the way it's going to work.
We'll never agree to that.
No one will ever agree to that.
So, Natalie, I think our position here is much harder than the H-1B.
And the H-1B, everybody knows it's completely corrupt.
And the people that know it the most are the people in India that run the corrupt system, ma'am.
natalie winters
Well, Steve, I think you're going a little woke if you only want a moratorium for 10 years.
I think we got to do at least 20.
But I will say, I love that video with the false pretense, the predicate being that the American people, i.e. MAGA, have ever had a say in what this country's immigration policy is.
Anytime there's actually been the chance to have a referendum on immigration when you put the donors to the side like Trump in 2016, overwhelmingly they want to build the wall and get mass deportations, right?
Those are the most popular slogans.
But this idea of merit is just so astronomically false.
I always love sort of talking about the actual numbers because there's this idea, right?
The best and the brightest, as he kept saying, well, when you actually look at the numbers and like they play this sort of shell game with the numbers, so the American people don't understand how quickly they're being replaced.
But about 87% of the H-1B people who are coming in, the data going back to around 2015, they're at the bottom two percentiles, the 17th percentile wage and then the 34th percentile wage of people in this country.
So you're not importing the best and the brightest when you're paying them the least salary that could possibly exist.
And when you look at the levels that they're importing, so it's not just obviously corporations, you know, scamming these people, paying them, you know, basically slave labor wages, 52% were at level one, 30% were at level two, just 12% were at level three, and just 6% We're at the highest level, right?
And that's the government accountability office.
So that's not, you know, crazy right-wing data.
And when you look at what the share of foreign versus native-born workers are in the IT sector now, over half of all STEM and IT jobs are going to people who are born outside of the country.
And when you look at this, I mean, these corporations save on average, you know, around $20,000 per employee when they're outsourcing.
And you see these CEOs taking, you know, $1.3 million in the case of, I believe, the company, it's an energy company, Northeast Utilities, after they're laying off 200 Americans.
And when you look at what the statute was right in the 1990s, right, it was under 100 words.
That was what created this program.
Now it's up to 7,000 words, 20 pages.
That's how you get the alphabet soup of visa categories, right?
Like the OPT program.
And when you look at the numbers, it's quite staggering.
OPT, right, which is this kind of weird pseudo-student to job pipeline, it was 24,000 in 2007.
It's now 194,000 in 2024, with 48% of those people coming from India.
And if you start really looking into the future, if you take the same relative rate of growth of foreign-born workers versus native-born workers, which is 3.2% annual growth in the share itself, using that compounding assumption, if you project that into the future, in only 30 years, 50% of the entire workforce will be foreigners.
In 42 years, it'll be 70%.
Obviously, these aren't hyperrealistic domestic, native-born Americans are always going to have jobs.
But at this rate, it would only take 52 years for the workplace to be 100% foreign-born.
And like I said, the original cap was 65,000 people a year.
You look at by 2015, we already passed into the 200,000s of people.
And that's not even including overstays.
That's newly added.
And when you look at 2024, for example, there were 780,884 H-1B petitions granted.
That is a 1,100% increase over what the American people were allegedly sold, even using fake data.
And I think the point is why I find that clip so funny.
It's not just the typical argument that we make here, which is that it's not an immigration policy.
It's a shareholder policy.
It's for these corporations that hate this country.
It's not about talent.
It's about replacing Americans.
But to say that our opposition to H-1B visas, which demonstrably depress the wages of Americans, is rooted in white nationalism is patently absurd.
America does not have a white nationalism problem.
If anything, we have an Indian nationalism problem because upwards of 70% of all H-1B visas are going to people from India.
We have a Mexican nationalism problem when it comes to illegal immigration because they're all coming from Mexico.
And we have a, I don't know, I guess a Chinese nationalism problem in our universities because the majority of those visas are going to Chinese people.
So to say that our opposition, the idea of defending American workers, is rooted in some obsession with white identity, it's not.
But on the other hand, if America turns in to being filled by 100% Indians, then it's not exactly America.
And you know what makes I think MAGA really upset is being lectured by someone whose parents were immigrants to this country, which that's fine.
I'm sure they did it the right way.
They probably came on an H-1B visa.
But I don't want to be told what being an American is by someone who has barely been an American for more than, I don't know, a few decades.
And it's that that puts a bad taste in my mouth, being told that I'm not allowed to raise my voice and say, actually, we should make sure that our government isn't screwing over American workers by replacing them with people who, yeah, get diplomas and degrees from fake universities.
It's all a scam.
They're paid slave wages and they're not the best and brightest.
Okay, you can point me to one person who started a company.
Good for you.
There's a lot of Americans.
And Steve, I think the most upsetting thing, which I think the audience probably shares with that clip, which they should watch the whole thing, it's this idea of betting against Americans, betting against white kids, betting certainly against white men.
You know what?
You don't need to go down the list past every ethnicity to hit a white person.
There are a lot of white people who are capable of being valedictorians too.
And you know what, Hassan Minhash?
Look at President Trump's victory in 2024.
He made massive strides winning over the minority, whatever words you want to call it, vote with people who were drawn to economic nationalism.
And I just find that interview, that segment, first of all, so reductive and so low IQ, but so weirdly racist by saying that I'm the racist for not being an Indian supremacist and saying that I think a visa program that's exploiting American workers and turning this country into a hollowed out shell of its culture is something that's wrong and that should not be continued.
And that we should, I don't know, put American workers first, American defined as people who, yeah, maybe have a little bit of heritage or legacy in this country and didn't just arrive 15 minutes ago.
Big News for Save America 00:07:18
steve bannon
Yeah, like I said, 100% agree.
And I am now with you.
It's a 20-year moratorium.
unidentified
You convinced me.
steve bannon
It's a 20-year, I've been too weak.
It's a 20-year moratorium.
And, you know, I had the pleasure of sitting there watching Vivek's just insane speech.
And I'm thinking, and this guy's running for governor of Ohio.
I'm not so sure that's going to work out.
Of course, he immediately got off the social media because he was getting ratioed, and now he's down 10.
And we're going to lose a senate seat because of him.
Natalie Winners, we got to cut to the Senate floor.
I think there's big news coming up on Save America.
And of course, you and I work every day to save America here in the war room.
Natalie, where they go for more of your content and maybe a couple of things.
You got Substack, but you also maybe have a couple of three rants out there, too.
natalie winters
Natalie Gewinder is on Substack, Natalie Jewinters.substack.com.
Always an honor to be in the war room.
Thank you for having me, Steve.
steve bannon
You know, Grace and I were just talking before your appearance here.
You said, gosh, we missed Natalie having, you know, when you were hosting the show and I was in prison.
Some of the people who were in the middle of the day.
Don't go back to prison, please.
natalie winters
We need you.
steve bannon
Love you, ma'am.
Thank you.
I'm now, I'm now, I'm now a 20-year person because Natalie convinced me.
20-year moratorium on all the scam, all the scam immigration policies.
Natalie, thank you.
Let's make sure you follow Natalie on social media.
Let's go to the Senate floor, Mike Lee.
Cleta Mitchell's with me.
I think we've got to be.
unidentified
There's a lot of things that she said.
mike lee
Just about any of the things that she said, I'd be concerned too.
Fortunately, for all of us, the things that she's saying about this bill are either in some instances incomplete, leaving out material information to complete the picture, resulting in a much different impact than has been suggested, or in other cases, they're completely wrong.
Let's go back to a few first principles about what the bill actually does.
There are two basic precepts of the bill.
The fundamental purpose of it is to make it easier.
steve bannon
Couple minutes left in this.
We're going to go back to the Senate floor to Mike Lee.
But Cleta Mitchell's joining us.
Cleto, you got some breaking news of what's going to happen in the next hour, ma'am?
unidentified
It's clear.
Take it.
steve bannon
You got to take you mute off, Cleta.
cleta mitchell
Sorry.
Can you hear me now?
unidentified
Sorry.
steve bannon
I know how you boomers, I know technology is hard for you, boomers, to use, but go ahead, Clita.
cleta mitchell
Well, I'm sorry about that.
Yes, we just remember that we wanted this on the floor.
We wanted the Democrats to have to talk about it.
Remember, that's what, and we were begging, hummeling John Thomas, the Republican leadership, said, just put it on the floor.
They said, what's going to happen?
We said, we don't know, but put it on the floor and find out.
It's not legislating.
So that's happened.
And people have started paying attention.
And they started looking at the Democrats and listening to their lies.
And, you know, the Democrats have been lying about voter ID for 20 years, 20 years they've been lying about voter ID.
And it has not moved the needle one bit in terms of public opinion.
So yesterday, now, remember, they started talking about this bill on Tuesday.
So 48 hours into it, Gassy, yesterday was 24 hours into it.
Schumer said, Democrats aren't opposed to voter ID.
We're not opposed to vote ID.
We're opposed to all these other things.
So there's a process in the Senate.
I'm learning all these little things about the Senate rules called hotlining a bill.
And so Senator Eusted from Ohio has taken the section on photo ID out of the Save America Act, copied it into a separate bill, and that's going to be put on the floor about 6:30.
And he's going to ask for unanimous consent of all the senators to just adopt this bill and send it to the House.
So we'll see.
We'll see what they do.
Let's see how many Democrats have the wherewithal to stand up and vote against that.
steve bannon
Hang on, because Schumer started talking yesterday because they knew what they were saying was not sticking.
And this is one of the power of the Warren Posse and others to put out and be a forced multiplier on this content.
Schumer came out yesterday and said, oh, we don't have any problem with voter ID.
You're saying they're doing a put up or at 6:30, they're going to do a put-up or shut up.
They're actually going to do just a bill on voter ID.
cleta mitchell
It's an actual bill.
It takes that section, copies it verbatim, puts it on the floor and says, Okay, you want unanimous consent for this?
Great.
Let's see what happens.
Let's see what happens.
I mean, Cleana, can you legislating?
steve bannon
Hang on one second.
We're going to hold you through the next hour.
Clear is going to be up at the top.
I want to get to Mike Lindell before we shift over to the 6 p.m. edition of the war room.
We're going to cover this live on the Senate floor.
Cleta Mitchell, breaking news here.
They're going to do a put-up or shut-up bill on voter ID.
Mike Lindell, you've been fighting this one for a long time, sir.
People are interested in your opinions here, particularly since you're going to be the next governor of Minnesota.
However, in the two minutes we got left, they want to know what deals you got for the Warren Posse.
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