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Realistic Understanding Needed
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. | ||
| Urgent's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you're trying to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big line? | ||
| MAGA Media. | ||
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
| Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | ||
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | |
| It's Friday, 20 February in the year of our Lord 2026. | ||
| So every Friday at this time, I normally come off the five o'clock show and toss to Rome to our anchor, Ben Harnwell, who does, who runs international for us, our international bureau. | ||
| Today, we're doing a little differently. | ||
| I'm in Texas. | ||
| I am hosting. | ||
| We're going to go to Australia in a moment, our own Dr. Bradley Thayer and our own Ben Harnwell there. | ||
| But I wanted to finish with Trita Parsi. | ||
| Trita, one more time, because what was linked to the Wall Street Journal, and they have very strong access to the White House, was when I read it, it was, I think, kind of Trumpy. | ||
| And President Trump did not want to do a regime change war on the 12-day war. | ||
| He was very specific. | ||
| He totally obliterated the nuclear weapons program, what he said. | ||
| In Venezuela, had a very sophisticated JSOC exercise, but it was to take out Maduro and the wife, leave the rest of the regime there, work some deal out, and see if they can't run it by themselves. | ||
| Here, it was incremental. | ||
| He was going to do some sort of kinetic activity and see if he couldn't get the Ayatollah and the Mullahs and their advisors to reach his goal. | ||
| Do you think that that is a strategy that works, sir? | ||
| I don't think that will work. | ||
| And I think part of the reason why it won't work is because I think the Israelis have convinced Trump that Iran is much weaker than it actually is. | ||
| Iran undoubtedly is weaker than it was two years ago. | ||
| But they have essentially convinced him that you can do these incremental attacks and the Iranians won't respond. | ||
| Reality is the Iranians have their backs against the wall. | ||
| They see no way out of this, but any incremental thing that they don't respond to eventually will weaken them so much that they will lose anyways. | ||
| And once they have no defenses, the Israelis are going to go and blow that place up. | ||
| That's their expectation. | ||
| That's exactly what the Israelis did in Syria as soon as Assad fled the country. | ||
| They just went in and bombed everything. | ||
| So their best shot, paradoxically, is actually to strike back and strike back hard in order to hope that even though they are weaker, the United States has a lower pain tolerance because the population is not behind this. | ||
| And if they inflict significant damage on the U.S., on the ships in the Persian Gulf, or whether it is going after oil installations in the region and close the Strait of Hormos, shoot up oil prices, shoot up inflation in the United States and globally, the calculation is their chance of getting out of this is to actually destroy Trump's presidency before they lose the war. | ||
| So their incentive structure is not to play along and accept being hit incrementally. | ||
| It is actually to escalate fast in that type of a scenario, despite the fact that they clearly are the weaker party. | ||
| The question we have to ask ourselves, how does any of this serve U.S. interests? | ||
| Why do we have to do this in the first place? | ||
| There can be negotiations. | ||
| There are negotiations, but those negotiations have to be based on a much more realistic understanding of where the Iranians are and when the U.S. are, not the kind of red lines that have been sold to Trump by the Israelis who are doing this because they want him to go to war. | ||
| Well, hang on for a second. | ||
| President Trump, once again, reiterated today at the tariff presser, he was asked about this situation. | ||
| He says, look, they can't have nuclear weapons. | ||
| I don't want, I don't want anymore, I don't want nuclear weapons in the Middle East. | ||
| I don't want Iran to have them. | ||
| That being his position, walk me through a negotiation because President Trump's a deal maker. | ||
| He'll make a deal. | ||
| It's not that he's not looking for a deal. | ||
| He'll make a deal. | ||
| So walk me through a deal. | ||
| Walk me through a series of deals that could get to where President Trump wants to go. | ||
| If the only red line is no nuclear weapons, there's absolutely a chance of getting a deal because there are plenty of different things that can be done. | ||
| For instance, one of the things that were being floated around in the previous negotiations, which is still on the table, is a consortium in which the enrichment still takes place in Iran, but you have several different countries involved in it. | ||
| So the Iranians can't do anything on their own. | ||
| You could even have American inspectors there. | ||
| This, I think, would be a way better deal than what Obama managed to get, but it is not acceptable to the Israelis because they don't want to have any deal at all. | ||
| They want to have complete obliteration of everything, including missiles and other things. | ||
| And they're pushing Trump in that direction. | ||
| U.S. interest, however, is in a different place altogether. | ||
| If we can get a deal, then not only make sure that they have no pathway towards a nuclear weapon, which I think is doable, but also opens up a new relationship. | ||
| You have trade, you have investment, you have other things that would benefit the American middle class and ultimately benefit the Iranian people as well. | ||
| I think that's a much better route to go and precisely the type of things that Trump likes to do. | ||
| The big mistake the Iranians have done, in my view, is that they have refused to talk directly to Trump. | ||
| I think if they were open to that, which they should be and they haven't been, I think there could be a massive de-escalation. | ||
| Both sides could avoid a lose-lose war, and both sides could be on a path towards a much, much better future for both of them. | ||
| One of the things, President Trump has a saying, if you know him, no games. | ||
| And he hates the concept of being tapped along. | ||
| One of the things I've heard is the feedback is that, because, you know, the Persians have a certain way they negotiate. | ||
| And so much of this has now gotten to kind of a formal process where it's really negotiating for the next meeting. | ||
| There's going to come a point in time he's just going to say, you know, I don't want to do this. | ||
| Are Witkoff and Jared, who are his two guys and done such a great job other places, are they really making progress to get to a deal? | ||
| Or are we just kind of falling into this Persian bureaucratic trap that we're negotiating the next meeting? | ||
| So unfortunately, there is a lot of that nonsense going on about where is the next place? | ||
| How does the shape of the table look like, et cetera? | ||
| And it's a big problem, undoubtedly. | ||
| I don't think it's the main problem, however. | ||
| The main problem is Trump needs to decide. | ||
| Is he going to pursue his own American red lines or is he going to adopt the Iranian, the Israeli red lines? | ||
| And the other problem is the Iranians are not talking directly to Trump. | ||
| If they were just to do that, I think he would have a completely different scenario taking place here. | ||
| And I think Trump himself, as you said, he is a dealer. | ||
| But they're the ones that are the other side refuses to talk to him. | ||
| I think it's completely foreign to him. | ||
| That's why, why are they doing that? | ||
| Why do we have these things that kind of you have these intermediaries? | ||
| Why are the Persians not in a direct conversation with President Trump and the dealmakers? | ||
| I think, first of all, they have their own politics and they have elements over there who don't like the idea of direct talks with the United States. | ||
| But at this point, I think personally, they have to set all of those things aside because this is now about war and peace. | ||
| Those type of considerations. | ||
| However, you've been in politics. | ||
| You know that a lot of politics are silly and not necessarily very rational. | ||
| But at this point, that kind of stuff needs to be set aside. | ||
| And I really worry that that may be the only de-escalatory card that can be played right now, and they're not playing it. | ||
| Trita, where do people go to get more of your analysis? | ||
| This post you put up this morning, this tweet this morning, I thought did a very logical job of breaking down what had been leaked as one of President Trump's alternatives. | ||
| And you kind of gave a counter argument that, hey, I think this is what will really happen. | ||
| Where do people go to get more of that content? | ||
| You can go to my Twitter, which is TParsi, or they can go to the Quincy Institute's website or our publication platform, which is responsiblestatecraft.org or quincyinst.org. | ||
| Thank you, sir, for taking time on a Friday to explain this to us. | ||
| Look forward to having you back. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Thank you so much, Steve. | ||
| I want to go to Advance Australia now, our two colleagues, Ben Harnwell, the host of this hour, and of course, Dr. Bradley Thayer. | ||
| Ben, I do want to start with Bradley because I want to respond. | ||
| Dr. Thayer spent a lot of time in this Iranian situation. | ||
| I do want a response. | ||
| And first off, I would like to know that Dr. Thayer has parental supervision. | ||
| The sunburn is a little much here. | ||
| We got to turn down the lights. | ||
| Are you okay, Dr. Thayer? | ||
| Because I know you're in Australia for a couple of days and already you're lobster red. | ||
| Steve, it's wonderful to have a nice few summers' day here in Sydney, Australia. | ||
| So there's no shortage of sun. | ||
| No doubt about that. | ||
| Trita Parsi, Ben, I'll jump to you in a second. | ||
| Trita Parsi was our guest at the end, and Trita is a Quincy Institute guy. | ||
| They don't see eye to eye with the Israelis or the Foundation for Democracies, kind of more of the neo-kind of crowd. | ||
| He talked about this has been leaked in the Wall Street Journal that President Trump was looking at some sort of incremental plan where he could hit, make a couple of bombing runs, and loosen up the Ayatollah to really for more negotiations. | ||
| Trita was saying, look, their backs are to the wall, and if they get hit, they're going to strike back. | ||
| And Trita is saying, look, we got the Persians, the Ayatollah, got to drop this thing. | ||
| They're not going to talk to the Americans directly. | ||
| Of course, they're blaming it on the Israelis. | ||
| The Israelis are obsessed with taking down Tehran. | ||
| What are your thoughts about this entire situation? | ||
| As you've seen the load in, now the airbridge is there, the naval assets are there, and we're getting ready to work up. | ||
| I think the air wing for a potential strike, and I would assume a major strike would come would be available to the president around middle of March with the end of Ramadan. | ||
| Sir, what are your thoughts about Trita and what he had to say? | ||
| I thought it was very insightful, Steve. | ||
| But I think there's problems with limited strikes in Iran. | ||
| Limited attack options are not going to solve the problem that Trump seems if he resorts to the military instrument, right? | ||
| If he uses force, that is only going to be solved by major attack options, right? | ||
| A broader target set, going after the leadership, going after Republican, essentially the military elements of the nuclear program, which might still remain as well as ballistic source missiles and other military targets. | ||
| So a limited attack option has tremendous disadvantages. | ||
| It's not solving or addressing the problem that would be solved, that the military tool solves best. | ||
| So as Matt Boyle has stressed on your program multiple times, diplomacy is still on the table. | ||
| And President Trump, you never box him in, of course. | ||
| You never predict what President Trump is going to do. | ||
| But limited attack options are, to my mind, are going to be inferior to major attack options against the pillars of the regime. | ||
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Invasion vs. Authoritarian Response
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| We're going to come back to this. | ||
| Ben, explain to the audience why I'm here in Texas hosting your show at 6 p.m. Eastern Standard Time and you're not in Rome. | ||
| Why are you? | ||
| Where are you? | ||
| What is going on? | ||
| And why did they invite you guys? | ||
| Okay, Steve. | ||
| So first, a few points of housekeeping. | ||
| And I'll deal with your questions right in order. | ||
| But first, I've got to say a few things. | ||
| We've been given special permission here. | ||
| Let me thank the organizers of this conference for allowing us to do a live stream on the wallroom direct from the floor of the conference center. | ||
| Over my shoulder, you can hear a good friend of the ward, Joel Gilbert, currently giving his keynote speech. | ||
| And that's the first thing I have to say. | ||
| The second thing I have to say is that whereas the International Bureau has provided one set of earphones for the two of us, there's only one microphone and it's there in Dr. Thayer's ear. | ||
| So if I'm leaning a little close and sort of talking about this, I just want to say on international television, I'm not trying to use the opportunity here to be overly chummy with Dr. Fayer and I'm not sort of whispering sweet nothings into his ear. | ||
| I'm talking like this because that's the microphone there. | ||
| And otherwise you won't be hearing me at all. | ||
| Right now here we are in Sydney at Sydney's conference, the first conference that they've organized of this scope since this movement, Advance, was created about eight years ago. | ||
| In American terms, the nearest thing I think we could use to describe it would be the American MAGA movement. | ||
| It's very much pitched to replace the traditional centre-right political parties, the Liberal Party and the National Party, as those establishment parties have done what centre-right establishment parties are doing around the world, pivoting away from responding to their base. | ||
| And this movement here, movement-led, it's on the political party, has very much moved to occupy that territory. | ||
| It has a couple of huge successes under its belt in just this brief time. | ||
| And one of them was winning a referendum a couple of years ago, which was supposed to create a special parliament for Australia's Indigenous. | ||
| When Advance took over the official no campaign to that, I think nine months before the referendum, the polls were indicating that the yes side would win that referendum 70% to 30. | ||
| These guys took over that campaign and the referendum was actually won by them on a 60-40 turnover. | ||
| And Steve, the only thing I can know, I can stay off the top of my head of a similar turnaround was when you took over the Trump campaign in 2016, 88 days before election campaign, and the president was 16 points behind. | ||
| And in 88 days, that was one of the great examples of a military turnaround in history. | ||
| And the Australians here have, you know, concentrating on same similar types of debate strategies, have achieved something of monumental importance to the Australian political and civic life. | ||
| Let me, I want to take your, of what they're trying to replace. | ||
| I want to take it. | ||
| Marco Rubio gave this speech last week, of which, you know, it was kind of a sequel to the Warsaw speech of President Trump of August of 2017. | ||
| And it was, I thought it was very good. | ||
| It was interwoven with defense of our Judeo-Christian civilization in the Christian West. | ||
| But I criticized it. | ||
| I think it'll be up on Daily Mail later. | ||
| Not criticized. | ||
| I made an observation that what's really the operative thing here is the national security memorandum where we talk about civilizational erasure. | ||
| And that's why we're here in Texas fighting Sharia law. | ||
| And what's obvious is that it just can't be about borders and immigration anymore. | ||
| That is 10 or 15 years ago. | ||
| Where we are today is that the center-right governments have essentially abandoned the defense of the Christian West. | ||
| And if we're not talking about mass migration or mass deportations, if we're not talking about remigration, we're kidding ourselves. | ||
| And you made some pretty brilliant comments about that. | ||
| Talk to me, both of you. | ||
| I'll start with you, Ben, first. | ||
| The center-right or the rhinos of the other nations of the world have abandoned a defense of the Christian West. | ||
| And that's where we find ourselves in all these parties today, where the energy is farther to the right and taking a much harder stance. | ||
| Ben Hardwell, we'll start with you, and then I'll go to Dr. Thayer. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, that's absolutely right. | ||
| And it mirrors something that we've been covering, but you and I have been covering even before the war started, even before the Trump insurgency started in 2015. | ||
| And that is the fact that the center-right political movements from right across the world have pretty much been taken over by purely performative apparatus. | ||
| That is, they talk in the language, especially in election times, that we want to hear. | ||
| But the moment they're in power, they've divided away from that and push forward with a globalist programmatic agenda. | ||
| And that is nowhere more evident than on the situation regarding the invasion that is taking place right across the Judeo-Christian West. | ||
| That is the issue which absolutely defines the Christian Democrat betrayal of the base. | ||
| And I'll just give one example to cite that. | ||
| And that was last week. | ||
| There were the elections in Portugal, the presidential elections in Portugal, that came down to a runoff between two candidates: the Chaga candidate, which is the far-right candidate, and the socialist candidate. | ||
| And what did the Christian Democrats, the centre-right, do in that face-off? | ||
| They said they encouraged all their voters to support the socialists, who in fact won the presidency because they said they couldn't possibly allow Portugal to fall into the hands of the fascists. | ||
| That guy, Vintora, who's the Chaga candidate, he's not a fascist, not a totalitarian, not a white supremacist. | ||
| The only thing that differentiates him from the rest of the political class is his strict position on not allowing Portugal to be subsumed into the throw of an invasion globalist agenda. | ||
| And it's that immigration issue, the invasion issue, which is the iron curtain down the political spectrum that divides the performative unit party on the one hand and parties such as the movement here represented by advance, on the other hand, which is responding to the will of the people. | ||
| And that's really just the fundamental issue. | ||
| The central right in Europe, the central right is based on Christian democracy, which is explicitly, formally, supposedly founded on promoting Catholic social teaching. | ||
| But there is none of that left now. | ||
| We're not dealing in talking in sort of German political terms of the 60s, 70s, and 80s. | ||
| The names of the parties remain, but what is actually being provided is very difficult. | ||
| I'll close with this one example, Steve. | ||
| The real invasion, the crisis here in continental Europe hasn't on in the invasion, hasn't particularly taken place under the left, under the centre-left, though they are the main beneficiaries of the invasion because it's widening their voter base. | ||
| It's really been taking place under the Christian Democrats. | ||
| And the most clear example of that is the German example with Angela Merkel, who's former German chancellor under the Christian Democrats, the CDU. | ||
| She's responsible for bringing in a million Muslims into Germany. | ||
| And the consequence of that is that the AFD went from 2.5% 10 years ago to at a minimum 25% across the various blend in Germany. | ||
| So that's an illustration of how the Christian Democrats have betrayed the people, but how the people themselves are responding by creating new political movements, new political parties out of nothing that they can have the confidence would actually respond to their desires when in government. | ||
| Dr. Thayer, your thoughts on the same topic? | ||
| The central problem facing Western democracies in terms of the health of their democracy is the legitimation crisis. | ||
| That is, the elites are uniparty or however you want to describe them, they have the same core and they have the same approach and attitudes, ignoring their base, ignoring their populations. | ||
| And that legitimation crisis has to be resolved. | ||
| Because if it is not resolved, you're going to see the continuation of what we see in Europe, Canada, Britain, and even in Australia. | ||
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That is increasingly authoritarian, formally democratic political governments and political parties. | |
| So Advance is one of a group which is fighting far above its weight in terms of advancing very specific principles, but focusing also on the nuts and bolts of elections so that the people and populist political parties are going to not only understand the electoral process in every respect, | ||
| but be able to actually win elections through very specific targeting of voters. | ||
| So the legitimation crisis is profound and it's affecting, of course, all Western democracies. | ||
| But groups like Advance and perhaps others are offering solutions about how a populist right can employ very specific mechanisms to win elections. | ||
| And that's a welcome change from center-right Republican parties, which seem to welcome and embrace losing elections, but giving excellent concession to people when they lose. | ||
| So Advanced is focusing on actively the nuts and bolts of winning. | ||
| And therefore, it's an extraordinary group. | ||
| And there's much to learn from it, Steve, in the States as well as around Western democracies. | ||
| Take a minute or two, Dr. Thayer. | ||
| One thing that shocked us in our coverage during Ben will remember this war and pandemic was how as bad as England was and as bad as the United States were, nothing compared to what happened in Australia. | ||
| And I think people were shocked because, you know, we have such a close cultural relationship with Australia. | ||
| People have a certain mindset about what Australia means, in particular, kind of that ruggedness and individuality. | ||
| During the COVID lockdowns, I mean, they were, I think, arguably one of the worst fascist states in the world. | ||
| Take a minute or two. | ||
| How did that help the rise of Advance or the formation of Advance? | ||
| Just the reaction against not just the socialists, but what the quote-unquote Conservative Party was doing in Australia as far as lockdowns go. | ||
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You're right, Steve. | |
| And there was effectively no political resistance to those lockdowns. | ||
| The lockdowns in Australia were so draconian, they were only exceeded by China, right? | ||
| Which shows you how bad the lockdowns were. | ||
| At this conference, we've had many veterans of that lockdown experience who suffered, who were persecuted because of some efforts to instill some sanity into the Australian government. | ||
| The Australian governments were live. | ||
| The lesson from the lockdown for patriotic Australians was the government is only a half a step away from being hard authoritarian. | ||
| And additionally, individuals here see that as a dry run, it essentially is a dress rehearsal for steps that the Australian government may take in the future. | ||
| So a hard authoritarianism that would rival China in many respects is possible really in any Western democracy. | ||
| Australia might be the most acute or see that most intensively as a result of their experience. | ||
| Sadly, there's nothing to guarantee that a future crisis would not be met with the same reaction. | ||
| No matter what the Australian people think, the Labour government, in conjunction with its allies, might again resort to a very hard authoritarian approach. | ||
| That authoritarian approach is welcomed by the Chinese Communist Party, welcomed and supported by the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| And the CCP influence in Australia is profound and is doing its utmost to ensure that groups like Advance or Patriots Australians are not able to have a role in Australia's political life. | ||
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| They are live at the Advanced Australia Conference in Sydney, Australia. | ||
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| Let's go back to Advance Australia. | ||
| Guys, I want to tell you, you know, we've had Natalie last week on Firing Line. | ||
| She did such a magnificent job. | ||
| Joe Allen is on the cover of Time magazine with his work on artificial intelligence and trying to make sure that there's some at least rudimentary framework of regulation and all the work he's been doing going throughout the country for the last two or three years. | ||
| And I can tell you right now, the live audience is so incredibly impressed that you guys are in Australia. | ||
| You've been invited down there to basically carry the war room flag and make sure that the people in Australia understand that we feel their pain. | ||
| And we are huge supporters of these parties that emerge that are farther right than the centrists, either rhinos, Tories, or center-right parties of Europe. | ||
| These parties have just sat there and been controlled opposition. | ||
| So, Ben, why did they invite you? | ||
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Australian Support for Right-Wing Parties
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| And what were you there to talk about? | ||
| Tell me about the talk and how people responded to it. | ||
| Steve, people are absolutely on fire here. | ||
| There were, as I say, 500 people behind us. | ||
| And you go around talking, get the response of Dr. Thayer and I both gave our keynote speeches yesterday. | ||
| The response was absolutely incredible. | ||
| And yes, you're right to say that we're both here to preach the gospel of Steve Bannon. | ||
| And it's an extremely fertile soil. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| What I was speaking about yesterday, my talk was on civilizational decline. | ||
| I started off by quoting the magisterial concepts of Arnold Toynbee in his poll volume set of a study in history, his fifth volume. | ||
| He actually says, he makes the argument that having studied 21 notable civilizations, 19 of them collapse, not because of external pressures from outside, but from internal pressures from within. | ||
| 19 out of 21 civilizations collapse because of internal implosion. | ||
| I made the argument, Steve, that, of course, Toynbee, writing in 1939 on the eve of the Second World War, could never have predicted the client of Western civilization. | ||
| And I made the suggestion that the decline of the Judeo-Christian West, the demise of the Judeo-Christian West, isn't due necessarily to external pressure from outside. | ||
| And neither is it due to the internal spiritual malaise from within. | ||
| The decline here in the West, and this is what makes it unique, is due to the betrayal of our political class, of our sociopathic overlords. | ||
| As I was making an argument yesterday, to come back to the point we were talking about with Dr. Thayer before the break about COVID and the lockdowns, I got one of my loudest and most sustained applauses of my speech when I said, look, the guys who are winning the world, these people are sociopaths. | ||
| And to make that argument, to get the connection between myself and the audience talking the language that I knew they were going to understand, I cited COVID and the lockdowns. | ||
| And I said, you know, these people, they were lying to us then about the virus and they're still lying to us today, five years later. | ||
| And it's exactly the same with the vaccine. | ||
| They were lying to us then about the vaccine being safe and effective, and they're lying to us today. | ||
| And that's their response to these things, just to continue to gaslight. | ||
| And as I say, I was talking to fellow kindred spirits when I said that. | ||
| And it helps to get across this argument that the people who are running our various countries in the West and sort of fundamentally behind the reason of our decline and collapse as a civilization, even though our culture is, I think, one of the best that mankind has ever produced, is because we have elected and we go on electing sociopaths, people who pretend to seek when they're seeking election to want to represent us. | ||
| But in fact, they're representing ideologies that are antithetical towards our needs and our interests because they hate us. | ||
| Does Australia, do the Australian people feel as tied together? | ||
| Because you remember, Ben, it's got to be seven years ago, eight years ago, I was invited over to France by Front Nationale, our national rally now. | ||
| And I asked Le Pen, okay, I'd love to come. | ||
| I want to come. | ||
| Tell me what I need to talk about. | ||
| He says, the only thing you need to talk about is tell us that we're not alone, that the fight we hear in France is bigger than just France, and it's bigger than just Europe. | ||
| Tell us what's going on in the United States. | ||
| Tell us how the right, we are kindred spirits. | ||
| Is that what is Australia, do they feel isolated because they are in the Indo-Pacific and a key member, as we'll talk about with Dr. Thayer, the strategic, you know, whether it was World War II or whether it's this current global conflict that we're in, do they feel isolated from the Judeo-Christian West given the distance? | ||
| No, not at all. | ||
| They're very enthusiastic. | ||
| It is a theme that the Australian speakers themselves were repeating at every opportunity. | ||
| Australia is firmly within the Judeo-Christian tradition, within the system of English common law. | ||
| It's very much part of the proud heritage of the Australians who are here at this. | ||
| I get the point you're making about Le Pen five years ago, but I think that that period now, you know, largely due to your work and that you were doing here in continental Europe, the idea that these are singular, isolated, populist, nationalist, economic, nationalist iterations. | ||
| I think that's probably a security of some years ago. | ||
| Right now, the people are very conscious that they are aware of a national movement. | ||
| Obviously, it's going to be different from country to country. | ||
| And I think Dr. Thayer and I here are simply here to give representation of that fact. | ||
| And of course, the large, you know, if we're talking in terms of a convoy movement of an Armada, the largest ship in that Armada is, of course, MAGA and the American representation. | ||
| And that, I think, gives a momentum to everything we're trying to do in continental Europe, to everything that the Australians here are trying to do. | ||
| Because America, you know, I say this repeatedly on the show, America is the most economically powerful, culturally powerful, militarily powerful nation that's ever existed on the face of the planet. | ||
| If America can absorb within its system, the principles delineated by MAGA, the independence of the need to put the nation first, the America first context, obviously, in America, if that is possible for America, and that is possible for every country around the world. | ||
| And that's very much, I think, why Dr. Thayer and I have been invited here to make that message. | ||
| Not so much because, as I said to repeat, not so much because five, six, seven years ago, there was a slight hesitation, a slight radicalness. | ||
| That's very much been bedded down now. | ||
| But it's more of a case of, I think, sustenance, reinforcements, and momentum, right? | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Dr. Thayer, you're a renowned expert on the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| Strategically, you know the importance of Australia and the Indo-Pacific, all the strategic elements of it, why you guys have been down there. | ||
| I think Cleo and you and Captain Finnell won a huge victory. | ||
| The president came out. | ||
| Couldn't come out harder about Diagrasia or the strategic importance of it, particularly given what's happening in Persia right now. | ||
| But why were you invited? | ||
| It's because of your expertise, understanding the Chinese Communist Party and what they're trying to do in East Asia on the Eurasian landmass and why Australia is a central part of the physical defense of the Judeo-Christian West, just like Australia is where we fell back to in 1942 to kind of reboot on the drive back to take down Imperial Japan, sir. | ||
| Yes, Steve. | ||
| I think two big points. | ||
| We're amongst an incredible group of patriotic Australians who are offering a solution to what ails the West, both in terms of the legitimation crisis that we face in Western politics, | ||
| but also in terms of dealing with the Chinese Communist Party and how do we eject the Chinese Communist Party from the politics, businesses, society of Australia, as well as, of course, other Western states. | ||
| So that's very important to bear in mind. | ||
| This is a great group of individuals who are really at the tip of the spear in working in that direction. | ||
| Secondly, the tactics. | ||
| Advance is moving in a direction which is allowing them to really have the nuts and bolts of election victory, which is also a big part of the solution to the legitimation crisis that we face in Western politics and the problem of CCP, Chinese Communist Party penetration of Western societies. | ||
| So the solution to what ails the West is found in this room to a large degree. | ||
| It's an extraordinary group of Australians who are looking to link up with other groups internationally in the United States, in Canada, in Europe, in Great Britain, so that we can establish, if you will, a general staff. | ||
| We can establish an organization that's going to be able to meet the left on its own grounds and win victory over the left in the domestic political context, but also in the international political context in terms of victory over the CCP. | ||
| So the answer is here, Steve, a big part of it. | ||
| I want to talk to you about that because one of the things that has shocked me since coming to Texas, and as you know, Ben, you know, it was Peter McElvin had come in here in November to really look at Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex and reported back to us. | ||
| He said, hey, guys, Mandami just took New York and you see what the DSA is doing in the Working Family Party. | ||
| And you guys keep using the example of Sadiq Khan. | ||
| Well, I want to tell you, from in the same kind of time period, if you take London as an example, which we do all the time, you are so much more advanced here in Islamic takeover of Texas and given all these indices. | ||
| Since I've gotten here, I tell people it's not simply this Islamic problem, although this has got to be the top issue that we have on the Sharia law on Prop 10. | ||
| It is the DSA and the Working Family Party. | ||
| The Red-Green Alliance is alive and well in the great state of Texas. | ||
| And I mean working nonstop. | ||
| So, when you talk about Advanced Australia and you talk about the tactics that they're using, what would those be? | ||
| Because I see something so ripe now for the West to fight back and for the United States to fight back, aligning with others and actually sharing tactics as you have to be blunt, as Mendami and what you see in Minneapolis and what you're seeing here in Texas. | ||
| They're sharing all the time. | ||
| They're working in a unified method. | ||
| As I know, you're working on this book, This Magnum Opus, Dr. Thayer, talking about America's fight against communism going on now over 100 years and that their tactics get more and more sophisticated. | ||
| They also get more and more powerful. | ||
| So, when you say advance has got not just the overall thinking of how you unite the Judeo-Christian West, what is it about the tactics that so impressed you about how they actually win elections and democracies? | ||
| Absolutely, Steve. | ||
| It's a hugely important issue. | ||
| The Leninists established the Common Turn to spread the revolution. | ||
| That was their general staff system. | ||
| And they did it very successfully through the Soviet Union and now through the Chinese Communist Party through United Front. | ||
| The Common Turn is also privatized, right? | ||
| You've got guys like George Soros and Singam essentially taking the same issue and advancing the same agenda with their own money as well as the CCP's money. | ||
| Advance is countering that, and they're countering that as the essentially the vote in 2023, which rejected the constitutional change through a variety of mechanisms, one of which is very targeted voter identification, very targeted advertisements, right? | ||
| Framing the issues so that knowledge is conveyed before you're asking people to make a decision. | ||
| And those messages are tailored in a way which would speak to individuals no matter what their gender is or what their age is, for example, or affinity with social media. | ||
| So there's a lot to learn here for Western populist political parties to defeat, in essence, the modern privatized common term, which exists globally. | ||
| And advanced folks are doing their utmost. | ||
| And I think we should expect, Steve, to see a lot of good people come out of here and enter into other races and to contribute to perhaps movements in the UK and in the United States. | ||
| These guys know the nuts and bolts. | ||
| And we have a lot to learn. | ||
| Ben, we're getting ready to wrap up. | ||
| We really want to thank the sponsors for allowing you guys to do this live right there at the conference at Advanced Australia. | ||
| Give me a minute or two of closing thoughts, sir. | ||
| Just add to what Dr. Thayer was saying: the strategy of Advance in the elections last year was quite particular to target the Greens. | ||
| The Greens themselves had between members of parliament and senators five representatives. | ||
| And the momentum was clearly behind the Greens. | ||
| And they declared publicly that their goal for the election was to double that representation to 10. | ||
| And obviously, when political parties do that, they aim low so that they can say they did even better than what they planned. | ||
| And Advance led the campaign against them and reduced their actual representation from five to one. | ||
| The leader of the party was wiped out, or the high leadership of the Greens was wiped out. | ||
| Specifically, they did this, Steve. | ||
| I know time is running short, but they had two really quite genius strategies in communicating that message. | ||
| One of them was to say that, you know, knowing that there is a popular affinity behind the green movement, was to say the Greens are not who you think they are. | ||
| They're not who they used to be. | ||
| That it's not simply a sort of conservationist environmentalist organization. | ||
| It's far more radical than that these days, working hand in hand with communism and with Islam. | ||
| And that had huge resonance with the Australian people. | ||
| The second tactic that they used was to say, not this time, basically, which was to sort of give to those supporters of the Green Party permission, if you will, not to support them because the movement itself was no longer authentic to its representation. | ||
| So it wasn't saying voting green, voting pro-environment, voting pro-conservation. | ||
| This is wrong. | ||
| This isn't the cycle to do that because these aren't the guys who are going to represent you. | ||
| And as I say, that was a strategy that had unbelievable fruits, reducing the green representation from five to one. | ||
| So these guys, they really absolutely do know what they're talking about. | ||
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| And I've learned a few things as well from my time here. | ||
| While you're there. | ||
| I miss you, Steve. | ||
| You cut out the menu. | ||
| Your social media, while you're there, people are going to want to follow you. | ||
| Where do they go? | ||
| On Getter, my social media platform of choice. | ||
| Tap in my surname at Harnwell. | ||
| And I'll be back. | ||
| I've dropped off from my daily posting because of the travels to get here, but I'll be resuming that, my usual service imminently. | ||
| Thanks, Steve. | ||
| God bless. | ||
| Thanks very much for bringing us on the show today. | ||
| Oh, we love it. | ||
| Dr. Thayer, where do people go to get all your writings? | ||
| I know you're working on this big new book that's going to come out in the spring. | ||
| Where do people get all your content, sir? | ||
| Well, they can always go to Brad Thayer at OnX or Bradley Thayer at Getter or in Truth. | ||
| But I'd encourage folks to go to Advance and to start exploring what Advance is offering in terms of lessons that populists can learn for winning elections. | ||
| And that would be a welcome change and for resolving the legitimation crisis that we face in the West. | ||
| Good group of people here, folks. | ||
| And Steve, get some sun. | ||
| Steve, I give out the website. | ||
| It's advanceaustralia.org for folks. | ||
| And folks, if they want to check out the movement here, graceaustralia.org. | ||
| Advanceaustralia.org. | ||
| We will push that out hard. | ||
| Gentlemen, we couldn't be prouder of you. | ||
| The audiences love this. | ||
| Thank the Advance people for allowing us to do it live from their conference in Sydney, Australia. | ||
| Good work, gentlemen. | ||
| God bless. | ||
| Godspeed. | ||
| We're going to leave with a tribute to Australia. | ||
| I would say their national song. | ||
| Let's go ahead and hear it. | ||
| See you back here tomorrow morning, 10 a.m. Eastern Standard Time. | ||
| Uproled the squatter, mounted on his thoroughbred Up rode the troopers, one, two, three. | ||
| With the jolly jump buck that you got in your tucker bag, you'll come a waltzing Matilda with me. | ||
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Waltzing Matilda, won't sing Matilda. | |
| You'll come a waltzing Matilda with me. | ||
| With the jolly-jum-buck that you've got in your tuck-a-back, you'll come a-waltzing, you scoundrel with me. | ||
| Up-jumped the swagman, sprang into the billabong. | ||
| You'll never take me alive, said he. | ||
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And his ghost may be heard as you pass by that bill of arm. | |
| You'll come a waltzing, Matilda with me. | ||
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Waltzing Matilda, woe sing Matilda, you'll come a waltzing Matilda with me. | |
| His ghost may be heard as you pass by that bill of on. | ||
| You'll come a waltzing Matilda with everybody. | ||
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Waltzing Matilda, waltzing Matilda, you'll come a waltzing Matilda with me. | |
| His ghost may be heard as you pass by that bill of all. | ||
| You'll come a waltzing Matilda with me. | ||