Episode 5137: Withdrawal From Minneapolis End Of Metro Surge
Episode 5137 examines Trump’s DOJ targeting Minnesota officials—Tim Walz, Keith Ellison, Jacob Fry—over Operation Metro Surge’s 4,000+ arrests, linking it to alleged Somali voter fraud and sanctuary state obstruction. Tom Emmer’s interrupted testimony clashes with Ellison’s claims, while Rand Paul questions funding ties ahead of Friday’s Homeland Security bill deadline. The episode frames this as a "color revolution" by Marxist actors, warns of a government shutdown leaving DHS officers unpaid, and ties economic risks—AI-driven debt, H-1B visas—to potential societal collapse, urging immediate action to avoid irreversible consequences. [Automatically generated summary]
You and the president nominated Eric Siebert, a 15-year career prosecutor, to be your U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia.
But after five months of investigating Letitia James and James Comey, he found no evidence to justify criminal charges.
So you forced him out.
You replaced him with Lindsey Halligan, Trump's personal lawyer from the Mar-a-Lago documents case, who had zero prosecutorial experience and no qualifications.
And then you were humiliated when a federal judge found that this corrupt appointment was blatantly unlawful and threw out Halligan's indictments entirely.
And grand juries of American citizens have repeatedly rejected your vendettas.
And baseless indictments brought by the hacks left at DOJ now with two different grand juries in Virginia voting down indictments against Letitia James in a single week.
And just yesterday, another grand jury shut down your vendetta factory by rejecting indictments against the six members of Congress who had spoken out to remind all service members that they have a duty to refuse illegal orders.
You tried to get a grand jury to indict six members of Congress who are veterans of our armed forces on charges of seditious conspiracy simply for exercising their First Amendment rights.
I hope you will heed the wisdom and the constitutional patriotism of those grand jurors and not try it again by doubling down on that humiliation.
As your best lawyers are sacked for having participated in the January 6th case or just flee for the exits.
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For the disgust with Donald Trump, your Trump derangement syndrome, all of you who participated in those impeachment hearings against Donald Trump, you all should be apologizing.
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Intelligence should guide and ground on the mission, not the other way around.
And yet, and yet, how else is one expected to interpret the director of national intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, not so covertly attending a raid on an elections office in Fulton County, Georgia, one initiated, as we now know, thanks to an unsealed affidavit by a Trump administration lawyer whose previous work includes trying to overturn the results of a free and fair election in 2020.
Fresh reporting in the New York Times adds new detail to the days leading up to that highly controversial raid during which the FBI seized more than 650 boxes of ballots and other election-related materials, quote.
In late January, Tulsi Gabbard was leading a meeting on Syria in the Situation Room when Donald Trump abruptly changed course by reminding her of an earlier chat on a subject he regarded as even more urgent, Ms. Gabbard's role in reopening and expanding the investigation of the 2020 election.
Now Trump was ordering Tulsi Gabbard to help oversee an FBI investigation of his baseless claims of irregularities in the vote.
That's according to people with knowledge of the meeting.
The President of the United States tells you what he's going to do before he does it.
He's been talking about, he said we should federalize the elections.
Okay, that means the federal government, that means him, run all of our elections in 50 states, literally opposite to how our founding fathers set up our voting system so that no one could become a king.
He's been talking about, and members of his cabinet have been talking about we may have to deploy federal law enforcement around voting locations if there's a problem.
He sent the federal government into Georgia to go collect ballots from 2020 because he hasn't accepted that he lost that election.
The man tells us what he's going to do.
So at this point, I mean, there are certainly groups of us up here who take that, take him at his word, and are working to make sure that we have free and fair elections come November.
But the United States government is actively working to prosecute and attempt and arrest people who are in opposition in the government's mind to the president.
If this were another country, we would be talking about it as a breakdown in their democracy.
And I think far too many people in this country are just going along like, here go the president again, trying to get retribution.
Ha ha, not today.
But this is actually very serious.
And I hear Senator Murphy about how, oh, this needs to be a bipartisan response.
But even Tom Tillis couldn't came with both sides on this today.
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The government is arresting journalists.
They are attempting to arrest lawmakers from the opposition party.
It's Thursday, 12 February, Year of the Lord, 2026.
You saw yesterday in the, that was the House Judiciary Committee, a total fracas all day long, Pam Bondi giving as good as she got, and she got a lot.
That was the entire, the entire time.
I know a lot of you that watched it, we streamed it live during the show and then after.
A lot of you got to see it as it happened.
There's another big hearing, Rand Paul, about Minneapolis and ICE.
We've got Neil McCabe up there.
We're going to go to him in a moment.
Tom Emmer already lit up Ellison.
Ellison is going to testify.
Now, Rand Paul is trying to find some middle ground.
There is no middle ground.
There's no middle ground.
We passed the Save Act, Save America Act, I think, yesterday, Senate of the Senate.
Right now, Mike Lee's putting up that, you know, Caputo of West Virginia and John Thune are signing on as co-sponsors.
I think gets it up to 47 in the Senate.
But the Senate's planning on leaving today, right?
They've got to go to the Munich Security Conference.
That's the globalist arms dealers that they have to go to.
And then next week, they're off for the President's Day, the President's Day weekend, but they're in recess.
Of course, they're not going to have, they're not actually going on recess.
It's a phony recess because to go in recess, President Trump could actually make some recess appointments.
So that's not going to happen.
You're seeing right now the Senate trying to thwart him.
We're not going to get, and Thun has already said there's not the votes there for the Save America Act just on a majority.
And you're going to need 60.
There's not the votes there from the Republicans.
And he's nowhere near close to the votes for changing the filibuster to a standing or talking filibuster.
So the number one legislative priority right now for President Trump, he just said yesterday, hey, if we get this passed, I guess we're done to Election Day.
It looks like it's going nowhere unless somebody's got some special deal they're thinking about.
We haven't heard yet.
You've got Eric Schmidt and other aggressive kind of immigration, mass deportation, and border hawks.
are putting up other legislation and talking about, hey, if they want to shut down the government, if they want to shut down DHS or want to shut down the government, let them do it because we're talking about a topic that is not just for our voters, but many of the middle-of-the-roader independents wholly support.
This is why President Trump won.
Now, what happened as we were coming on air was Tom Holman, I think, in Minneapolis, he just gave a press conference.
We're going to play clips of it when we get back before we go to Neil McCabe up on Capitol Hill that says, I think we're doing a drawdown.
I think we're totally pulling out of the total surge in Minneapolis, I believe, is over.
And I think Tom Holman's going to tell you that.
I'm not sure that's the way you saw yesterday.
They called the administration for hours and hours and hours a lawless administration.
These are the same guys that we saw in the cold open that are completely freaked out because Kash Patel at the FBI and Tulsi Gabbard over in DNI finally have the ballots and are looking to get to the bottom of the stolen election of 2020.
These are people that stole an election, knew they stole an election, put an illegitimate regime in, and then basically foisted a program that they had totally worked through with NGOs and others to allow 15 to 20 million illegal alien invaders in the country, which we've been totally obsessed with, not just sealing the border, which President Trump did in the first 60 days, but now the removal of this.
And they don't even want the worst of the worst, the bad ombres or the insane asylum.
We're all for the mass deportations.
That's not even close to being on the agenda right now.
And so they're calling the Trump administration lawless for trying to enforce immigration law.
You have guys like Garrett Schmidt are telling you this every day.
And yet what we've just done is I think, and the White House is now negotiating with Dune or with the Democrats, Schumer and these guys on actually these 10 items in the DHS.
And we don't know really.
I think they sent a letter about what the bid and the ask is there.
But Schumer, my understanding, can't even get all the Democrats on board.
Most of them are taking a hard party line.
And if they see, I think, a retreat from Minnesota, from Minneapolis, they're going to take a harder line.
They want to obstruct everything President Trump's trying to do.
They even, you saw yesterday, we had 2 million phony jobs.
What more do people need to understand?
That the illegitimate Biden regime was totally illegitimate and they know that.
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We now know from Bureau of Labor Statistics, we had E.J. Antonio on last night.
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Okay, Neil McCabe, you're actually up on Capitol Hill right now in another contentious.
But let me, before I get you, I want to play Tom Homan just had a presser in Minneapolis.
Let's listen to Homan.
I want you to hear it and then put it in context of this hearing that's going on right now about Minneapolis and about ICE and about customs and border.
With that and success that has been made arresting public safety threats and other priorities since this surge operation began, as well as the unprecedented levels of coordination we have obtained from state officials and local law enforcement.
I have proposed, and President Trump has concurred, that this surge operation conclude.
A significant drawdown has already been underway this week and will continue to the next week.
We have a lot of work to do across this country to remove public safety risk who shouldn't even be in this country and to deliver on President Trump's promise for strong border security mass deportation.
Law enforcement officers drawn down from this surge operation will either return to their duty stations or be assigned elsewhere to achieve just that.
A small footprint of personnel will remain for a period of time to close out and transition full command and control back to the field office, as well as to ensure agitator activity continues to decline and that state and local law enforcement continue to respond to ensure officer and community safety.
Additionally, federal government personnel assigned to conduct criminal investigation into the agitators, as well as the personnel assigned here for the fraud investigations, will remain in place until their work is done.
I will also remain on the ground for a little longer to oversee the drawdown of this operation and ensure its success.
Again, but prioritization doesn't mean forget about everybody else.
That means if you have a criminal alien here and non-criminal here, the criminal always comes first because he's the biggest threat to the communities.
We'll continue to force immigration law.
Look, we'll get back to the footprint here, the normal footprint here, but there will be some security teams staying here, the QRFs, until we're assured that those agitators incidents either stay low or further decline.
I'm not going to remove everybody out of the safety order for officers, but like I said, Operation RetroSearch is ending.
And in the next week, we're going to deploy the officers here on detail back to their home stations or other areas of the country that are needed.
But we're going to continue to enforce immigration law.
That's what American people voted for.
But it has to be a priority of criminals.
And look, I hear all the hate about, you know, you should arrest everybody.
Well, we are.
But we're prioritizing those who are the biggest threat to our community.
The rapists, the murderers, the child molesters.
That's the right thing to do.
But I'll say it again.
President Trump made a promise of mass deportation, and that's what this country is going to get.
I want to thank Governor Walsh for his messages focusing on peace and his support for the Minnesota state troopers to respond to unlawful situations that put federal officers and the public at risk.
I also want to thank Mayor Fry for taking a public stance against agitators setting up barricades that block streets and endangered public safety and for directing the police to take those roadblocks down.
I just say I want to thank Police Chief O'Hara, Sheriff Witt, and various other local law enforcement for their responsiveness and efforts to maintain law and order in the streets.
We've seen a big change here in the last couple weeks.
And it's all good changes.
I'm also pleased to report that we're seeing a notable decrease in unlawful agitator activity here in Minneapolis and overall throughout the state.
This is great news from Minnesota communities that have been adversely impacted by the lawlessness and chaos in the street.
So again, prioritization of public safety threats don't mean we forget about everybody else.
We're going to force the immigration law and we're going to have a mass deportation.
President Trump promised that and we're committed to that.
However, it shouldn't be a partisan issue that you arrest public safety threats in the safety and security of a jail.
Releasing public safety threats back in the public is just stupid.
It shouldn't be a partisan issue about repelling the invasion.
Senator Irvine home.
Mass deportation has used this three times.
Look, Tom Holman's a good man.
And he was putting, obviously, in a tough situation.
We thought Bovino was doing a great job.
Let's be blunt.
This is a color revolution.
It's not, these are not like peaceful protesters.
That was not, their whole focus was to surge in.
The Marxist jihadist was to surge in and to kind of break the spirit of ICE and customs and border.
And here we're announcing that, and President Trump, I think, is trying to show that he's prepared to accommodate and negotiate.
This is what he's doing up in the Senate right now because he doesn't have, he's having to negotiate with his own party.
Because in the Senate right now, they're sitting there going, why should we back this guy?
It shouldn't be lost to the House yesterday.
Six Republicans voted against the Canadian tariffs.
Also, the tariffs were announced yesterday.
It's one of the reasons that the financial, the economic deficit is down below $100 billion because of increased revenue.
And those increased revenues is principally driven by tariffs.
And you have not seen a concommittent rise in price.
It just not happen.
And so in this, you know, this dispute we have with Canada, six Republicans sorted the president, went against the president to vote to end the Canadian tariffs.
And that's not going to go anywhere, and he would veto it anyway.
But it's symbolic.
President Trump is trying to accommodate.
He's negotiating.
Sent a counterproposal on the list of 10, of which we and the Warren Posse agree.
There's nothing to negotiate there.
He's trying to say, hey, I'm reasonable and let's do it.
Right there, what you see with Tom Holman, they're reasonable.
But when he keeps saying mass deportations, they don't want the bad ombres out.
Their whole business model is they did this.
And to compliment Walls and Fry is, I, you know, and Tom Holman is a good man and he's trying to do it, but that is just not going to wash.
Fry and Waltz.
And trust me, they're going to spike the football all day on MSMECN and all day on CNN.
This is like First Fallujah and Najaff.
That's what it is.
And what we need is a second Fallujah.
You need to realize all these bad guys and all these people that are fighting these Marxist jihadists that are united in this cause to make sure that 15 to 20 million illegal aliens stay in the country because this is how they keep power.
This is how they're going to win elections.
Neil McCabe, you're up there, and we don't have time now to play the clips, but the clips in the hearing are going to kind of reinforce how there's no area for compromise right now.
First thought is that this all has to be seen in the context of the Homeland Security bill, which is sort of that shutdown after the shutdown was averted.
That bill expires Friday.
It should also be seen in the context of the White House pulling National Guard out of different blue cities.
I have to believe that Holman's decision, approved by the president, to pull out of Minnesota was somehow tied to a compromise that's in place for the Homeland Security Bill.
Otherwise, it's just sheer incompetence that you would offer something like this without getting anything in return, Steve.
Own data shows that 77% of those it has detained in Minnesota have no criminal record at all.
Notoriously, some of those detained have been children.
Is it five-year-old Liam Canejo Ramos, the worst of the worst, or 10-year-old Elizabeth Zunya Casaguano?
The surge is contributing to violent crime, members.
It's contributing to violent crime.
Two of the three homicides committed in Minneapolis in 2026 have come at the hands of federal immigration agents.
Recently, the government has said the purpose of the surge is to gain cooperation from state and local officials in immigration enforcement, but the Minnesota Department of Corrections already follows state law that requires Minnesota to notify federal authorities when a non-citizen incarcerated for a felony.
Second, under Minnesota law, no jail can keep someone incarcerated on an ICE detainer longer than they're otherwise legally allowed to incarcerate them.
This is not unique to Minnesota.
Several of our federal and state courts have reached a broad consensus that aligns with our law.
So after dismissing all of the pretexts, what's clear, this surge is all about what Donald Trump said it was all about.
In a true social post on January 13th, he wrote, retribution and reckoning was coming to Minnesota.
This war on Minnesota is retribution, to be sure.
Our policies, our values, and how we vote, and it comes at a great cost.
Senators, it comes at a cost of the lives of two U.S. citizens, Renee Goode and Alex Predi.
It comes at the cost of shuttered businesses, Mr. Chairman, disruptions in education for tens of thousands of children, lasting harm to Minnesota's economic prosperity and social cohesion.
And it comes at a cost, Mr. Chairman, to our Constitution.
In 2021, with Attorney General Keith Ellison as the chief law enforcement officer in our state, the Hennepin County Sheriff's Office issued a directive which prohibited the county's cooperation with immigration and customs enforcement.
Four years later, Ellison issued two legal opinions arguing that Minnesota law prohibits state and local law enforcement agencies from holding someone based on an immigration detainer if the person would otherwise be released from custody and limiting county sheriffs' ability to enter into 287G cooperation agreements with federal law enforcement.
What happened as a result?
Criminal, illegal aliens were released back onto our streets, putting innocent Minnesotans' lives at risk.
Take the case of Victoria Aline Harwell, for example, a Minnesota mom who was allegedly killed by an illegal alien in a drunk driving car crash.
Hennepin County ignored detainer requests and let this criminal walk not once, but twice, citing Attorney General Ellison's opinion.
Flash forward to December 2025, when the Trump administration launched Operation Metro Surge in Minneapolis, fulfilling the border security mandate they were given by 77 million Americans and following the uncovering of rampant Somali fraud throughout our state.
As of last week, 4,000 illegal aliens have been arrested since Operation Metro Surge began.
That includes the worst of the worst off our streets.
But in response, Tim Walz and Keith Ellison sued the Department of Homeland Security for simply deploying federal law enforcement to enforce federal law.
That lawsuit was ultimately rejected by a Biden-appointed federal judge.
And now, Trump Borders are Tom Holman has been working with Minnesota officials to scale back Operation Metro Surge on the condition that local law enforcement be allowed to cooperate with federal law enforcement.
Something, by the way, that occurred under the President Obama's administration.
It's important to note that it didn't have to be this way.
The chaos in Minneapolis was entirely preventable had the local law enforcement been allowed to work with federal law enforcement from the beginning.
We see that in states like Texas, Florida, Utah.
We also see that in eight Minnesota counties, including Sherbourne County, which is in my district.
Sherburne and these seven counties have proactively partnered with federal law enforcement to prevent criminal illegal aliens from roaming free, despite threats of ridiculous lawsuits by the ACLU arising from Attorney General Ellison's dangerous guidance.
It's really that simple.
By allowing law, local law enforcement to notify federal law enforcement when they arrest illegal aliens and detain them until a federal officer can come and get them, we limit the Fed's footprint and keep dangerous criminals off our streets.
It's a win-win for all parties involved.
But Tim Walz, Keith Ellison, and Jacob Fry are so beholden to their radical sanctuary, state, and city agenda that they've lost all common sense.
And now here we are today with innocent lives lost and chaos in our streets.
Tom Emmer gave that address or those comments, the testimony, let's call it the testimony in front of the committee, virtually the same time Holman was thanking him.
And Emmer's right.
And look, Emmer's got the, you know, he's the situation with the Samayans.
Let's just leave that, put a pin in that for today.
This is my point.
These are not things you can compromise.
Ellison is baldface lying.
And that gap between what Emmer's saying and what Ellison's saying is not bridgeable.
Not bridgeable.
And President Trump is trying to accommodate these people.
It's part of, I agree, some sort of rapprochement on trying to make sure it's funded.
But that shows you how radical.
They don't care if they shut down FEMA.
They don't care if they shut down TSA.
They don't care if they all the joint terrorism task force and everything we have to do with looking at making sure the DHS that employs 260,000 people.
They don't care about that.
What they care about is these are their voters.
They can't convince Americans to vote for them, American citizens.
So they imported 15 to 20 to 25 million.
It's very obvious by stealing the 2020 election and then doing this, very organized, as we covered every day since November of 2020 and then even going before that on the summer of love.
And guess where?
Where was that?
Oh, that was in Minneapolis.
You're up there today.
You're watching this.
And I realize it's not going to be as yesterday was one of the most out-of-control hearings I've ever seen.
And that was judiciary, which is normally a lot of discernment.
You saw that that was hours of just personal combat between the Democrats and Pam Bondi.
Today, give me your thoughts on Holman and tied together what you just heard in this committee before you step back in, Neil.
Yeah, first of all, Emmer, his even coming here is unusual to have a even though he's in House leadership.
And Emmer has never really been any kind of wild conservative.
He was always considered a soft conservative on the leadership track.
And you're really seeing Emmer use this to emerge and present himself as a MAGA stalwart on immigration to the extent that he'll come and testify at a Senate committee.
And obviously, Ellison was completely lying.
And as the senators come in and out because they're voting or going to other meetings or other hearings, Josh Hawley came out and said he was shocked that Ellison hasn't been indicted yet because Ellison took campaign contributions from an organization that was under investigation, and that investigation stopped.
And that same organization gave money to his son.
And so, you know, I'm glad to hear that Homan is saying that the investigations into fraud will continue, but it was all connected.
And so, you know, I don't know what to tell you.
I mean, Emmer said there were 4,000 people who were removed.
He was happy about it.
He applauded the administration.
He was here to buck up the administration.
And then they just basically pulled the plug while he was talking.
We'll double back in the second hour on the Samayan situation because I don't know how many Samayans have been arrested for fraud or how many of these, you know, the Learing Centers have been shut down.
And Brendan Steinhauser is going to join us about artificial intelligence.
That's exploding exactly where we are in that.
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President Trump, really, with this color revolution here in the United States, that's what it is.
The Democratic Party has, that's what they are now.
These are not Democrats.
Even in Obama, this is a group of radicals like French Revolution or Bolsheviks.
They're the political party, and they can't get elected normally, just like the Bolsheviks.
We're never more than 15 or 20%.
They all say democracy, democracy, democracy.
Is it democracy when you bring in 15 to 20 to 25 million illegal alien invaders?
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It was already approved, but the appropriations that normally go just to fund ICE will be, just like TSA and just like FEMA, the core of ICE will be shut down because you've checked with appropriation.
And I have verified this with the Appropriations Committee.
The standard operating costs for the Department of Homeland Security, including ICE and customs and border protection, are not funded by the One Big Beautiful bill.
So that $170 billion has to be spent on the things that were designated in that bill.
And that includes new personnel, new equipment, new border wall, not standard operating costs.
So when the Department of Homeland Security shuts down tomorrow night, there will be thousands of officers and agents who are putting their lives on the line who are not getting paid.
Now, immigration enforcement will continue because these patriots will keep doing their jobs.
They will not be paid.
However, their families will suffer.
You know, they may not be able to pay their bills.
So this is what the Democrats are doing to immigration enforcement.
They absolutely intend to shut down immigration enforcement.
It's not going to work, but they're going to make it as painful as possible for the patriots who are doing it.
I want to bring up two landing pages and talk about them as I bring Brendan in.
Everybody knows Kane over at Citizens Free Press.
He started, he started the whole site because there's a concern about debt and deficits.
Now, the New York Times and others on this Congressional Budget Office, let's get Citizens Free Press up.
You see the green right there when he wants to highlight something, he puts it in red and green.
He's got these series of articles all off the New York Times.
They're clips.
And it talks about, you know, Scott Besson's made this bet, the president made this bet.
You're going to outgrow the deficit.
And so far we are.
However, if you just look at the scale of the problem we have, they're talking about adding, I don't know, another $23 trillion in debt.
This is where we are highly leveraged today, and we're about to get incredibly leveraged.
This is the government side.
Now, let's go to the drudge.
The drudge has got five or six headlines about issues with AI.
The intersection of this is that the, and I want people to go to both.
And if Elizabeth and Mo can put them up in Grace, you can click through to these stories.
The leveraged bet of the country on AI is one thing.
However, we are also crowding out now barring in the credit markets because you saw we're going to spend $700 to $800 billion this year by corporations, which it looks like Bloomberg's reporting they're going to try to borrow most of it.
Remember, we talked about the analysis earlier in December, November, where we came up, I think it was the CFO of OpenAI, she talked about a trillion dollars of government support.
They're going to borrow this.
My point is between corporations and government, we have essentially a leverage, we are doing a leverage, highly leveraged financing on an unproven technology that's totally unproven.
I mean, it's proven at a very basic level.
That's why you're seeing these layoffs.
But man, this is scary and people have to think this through because this is it.
Brendan Steinhauser joins us.
Brennan, we got about two or three minutes here.
I'm going to hold you through the break.
You've kind of left doing your traditional political job.
You're one of the most respected guys on Capitol Hill.
You're now the head of the Alliance for Secure AI.
This has been a hell of a week in AI, but we got to tie it all together.
This is the riskiest bet, not just in a technology, but so leveraged at a country level and a company level that we're betting everything on this, sir.
And it's not just dangerous for the reasons that you've talked about on the show for a long time, but what you're discussing right now.
I saw an article today about how, you know, if we don't get this right, if this goes the wrong way, we could have so much social and political instability that we could have a revolution on our hands.
This AI revolution could lead to a revolution of people that say we don't want this, especially if it leads to financial disaster and ruin for our people.
And so I think that's a real possibility.
I'm really worried about young people in particular, the people that are coming out of college or they're in student loan debt, or even if they're trying to do a trade, go to trade school.
I really worry about their future.
And I'm very, very skeptical of what these big tech companies are doing on the financing side of this, this circular financing.
And I'm very concerned about all of this.
And I think there's a lot that we have to pay attention to right now.
It said, whereas this is the number one discussion in corporate America and the finance community, in the venture capital community, in the hedge fund community, in the private equity community, and also overseas, that there's really no public discussion on Capitol Hill or even from the White House.
There's tons of fighting going on behind the scenes about AI regulation, but this has not gotten really into the public sphere of, you know, we've killed the AI amnesty thing twice, but it really hasn't been part of the fabric of discussions.
We're up here today, you know, talking about a government shutdown, talking about DHS, talking about ICE, talking about very basic things.
The future of the country, a highly leverage bet.
And folks, here's what I'm telling you.
In the next 100 days, maybe six months, you're so far down the path on this, you can't unwind it.
$800 billion of corporate debt on this and trillions of dollars of government debt added on a technology that at worst could be totally deadly to the human race and go through jobs like a Sith through grass.
We're going to take a short commercial break.
We're going to return to the war room in just a moment.