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Episode 5116: Stopping Sharia Supremacy; Live Coverage From CECOT

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Congressman Self's Primal Scream 00:14:36
steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.
Here's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
MAGA Media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
steve bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
War Room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance.
natalie winters
It's Tuesday, February 3rd in the year of our Lord 2026.
It's Natalie Winters hosting today.
A very cold day here in Washington, D.C. They're saying it's warmer, but it's only because it's in the 40s.
But don't worry, we've got an absolutely packed show for you.
We're going to be joined by Congressman Keith Self, the latest everything that's going on there, what Congress is doing to stop Sharia.
The fact that we even have to explicitly call for that tells you about the state of affairs that we're in.
We're also going to be joined by the one and only Oscar Blue Ramirez live, actually from one of my favorite places on earth.
That is Seakot, the prison in El Salvador, talking about what's going on down there, how we can get these deportations ramped up.
The latest will talk with Mike Howell about what Congress is doing, or frankly not doing, to help speed up those processes.
While we wait to connect with Congressman Self, I want to walk you through some interesting breaking news.
I know I told Steve I would walk him through it on the show yesterday.
So if we go to my Substack, you guys can pull up the story.
But we're now seeing that a lot of these groups that are involved in Minnesota, specifically sabotaging these ICE efforts, calling for their withdrawal, calling for nationwide defunding, actually have ties to, you guessed it, the Chinese Communist Party.
In one case, Amnesty International, one of the largest groups that's gathering over a thousand of these far-left Soros-type funded organizations together, bringing them together to effectively lobby Congress, not just to get rid of ICE in Minnesota, but to just get rid of ICE entirely.
There are two groups that are funded by essentially the Chinese Communist Party by proxy, the Chinese Progressive Association and the Chinese American People's Council.
Both of these have been previously flagged for taking hundreds of thousands of dollars from directly Chinese Communist Party-run entities, including but not limited to, the Bank of China.
So for all of the foreign election interference fearmongers, I think we found an example for you.
And another story that I want to bring your attention to is that one of the mayors in Minnesota from Rochester, who's actually been one of the loudest voices, she recently traveled to DC calling for ICE to be withdrawn.
Like I said, not just from Minnesota, but from the entirety of the United States.
She also thought that President Trump's rhetoric about Somalian fraud was racist and the whole gamut, and therefore we can't look into it.
Well, she actually returned not too long ago from a all-expenses paid, I would say vacation, they would say delegation, but to China where they toured basically the entire country.
They went to Wuhan, they visited Mao Zedong's planning headquarters, did a whole cultural, cultural experience, basically just soft propaganda, some cases hardcore propaganda.
But she actually quietly signed a memorandum of understanding with a Chinese city to help expand their collaboration and their partnerships with the United States.
So, just to get that straight, you have one of the foremost mayors in Minnesota who's advocating for the abolition and withdrawal of ICE, basically being on the take from the Chinese Communist Party, including, but not limited to, signing agreements to allow more Chinese involvement and infiltration in the United States.
And even if you take the ICE component out of it, it's also being revealed now that there are these new Chinese Communist Party influence groups called the U.S.-China Heartland Association, whereby they're targeting lower-level officials.
So, these are agricultural officials, state-level officials, with these sort of trip tactics that we've seen and we've reported on extensively here at War Room before, but trying to open up the floodgates, I would call them the gates of hell, to more Chinese Communist Party ownership of farmland here in the United States.
And though this Minnesota mayor was the delegation lead on that recent trip, there were six other mayors who joined her, specifically from the heartland.
So they're going after the Midwest region to try to change legislation so the Chinese Communist Party can more effectively buy up farmland and take over the United States from within.
And I'm not just talking about Washington, D.C.
I want to double down too on something that we were talking about yesterday on War Room.
Dunder, if you guys want to toss up the CNN article, or actually, I see we have Congressman Self, who I think would be a perfect person to bring on for this discussion.
Congressman Self, I know you want to get to the wonderful actions that you're doing to stop the spread of Sharia in the United States through Congress.
Long overdue, but thank you for doing it.
But I'm curious just to get your thoughts.
We've obviously seen a lot of developments when it comes to Taiwan, the Central Military Commission, a lot of shake-up over there.
Obviously, a lot of these Western countries have been making sort of their fealty displays, I would say, quite apparent, whether it's the UK or Canada going over to China doing these kind of humiliating self-ritual trips where they get basically nothing in return and China just extracts more and more.
But I'm curious your thoughts on the shifting dynamics over there, what you see sort of in the near future.
keith self
Well, I have to tell you, I think TDS Trump derangement syndrome knows no bounds because if they think they want to be an ally with communist China, they better be ready to be a subservient junior partner in anything they do over there.
This is ludicrous.
We have tried for 30 plus years to bring China into the global industrial complex.
They still pollute.
They still build all the power plants they need.
Why?
Because they intend to dominate the world.
Their road and belt initiative continues, even though there are some cracks in it.
So I don't recommend that any Western nation partner with the Communist Chinese because they are going to extract.
When they do a project for you, they import the labor, they import the resources, the construction materials, and they give you nothing other than a shabby job.
So this is not in their best interest.
They need to understand they are part of Western civilization.
They need to get a handle on their mass migration and they need to step away from communist China.
Look, the fact that he's purging his military, Xi is purging his military, means that the corruption in communist China is still rampant.
natalie winters
Congressman Self, I want to pivot too to I think one of the other existential threats that the United States faces.
That, of course, is Sharia law, the spread of the Muslim Brotherhood.
Name your sect, name your radical ideology.
But you have started the Sharia-Free America Caucus.
Again, that seems tautological.
Shouldn't have to say that, but I guess in 2026 we have to be very clear and redundant that America is a Sharia-free place.
You had a wonderful press conference today.
I was wondering if you could walk the audience through and take your time.
What exactly this caucus is, what the principles are, and what you're looking to do with it.
keith self
Yeah, thank you, Natalie.
Yes, we have 33 members now in the House of Representatives from 18 states across the country, so we represent more than a third of the country.
So the Sharia-Free America Caucus is meant to do several things.
First of all, raise the awareness among our colleagues in Congress that this is not a Texas problem.
It's not a Minnesota problem.
It is a problem that is spreading across America and spreading fast.
Senator Tubberville, who was there with us today, told me early that, look, the same thing that's happening in North Texas, we are ground zero.
He said the same thing is happening in North Alabama.
A Florida congressman told me the same thing is happening in Florida.
It's spreading across the United States and people are becoming aware of it.
I think now we have seven bills that have been filed that have been introduced to do various things.
First of all, to not let American courts accept Sharia court law, to ban Sharia across America for those that advocate for it, to basically deport foreign nationals who adhere to Sharia, and then to take tax advantages away from care and organizations, plus designate both the Muslim Brotherhood and CARE as terrorist organizations, which they are.
So I held up a copy of the explanatory memo, which is the battle plan, which is the written formal plan for how the Muslim Brotherhood intends to conquer America.
We gave them a link to the document.
We gave them some quotes from the document.
And I will tell you, we had 18 of the caucus members there at the press conference today.
And I thought it flowed very well because everyone had their details, had their points.
They all worked together very well to present a comprehensive picture of what Sharia is, what Sharia demands, and the impacts of Sharia across the states that were represented there on the dais with me.
So it's a great start.
This caucus actually started with a conversation between Senator Tuberville and myself at the White House Christmas Party.
So that tells you how new the Congress is.
So we are moving forward.
Those are our goals.
And I think that we are going to be extremely successful in moving forward to let the nation know.
One of the things that we're seeing, Natalie, is that people now have permission.
They now understand they can talk about this.
So once they are able to talk about it, they have, you know, people are talking about it.
Stories are starting to roll out.
And that's the good thing because people have kind of been quiet about it.
But now they understand the danger.
Now they understand they can talk about it.
Sure, you're going to be called an Islamophobe if they care to do that.
And they will.
There will be pushback.
This will take courage.
And I just encourage our citizens not to be intimidated as we go through this.
natalie winters
Congressman Self, I'm curious where you see this problem originating.
Is this something that is sort of a homegrown problem, right?
Are these mosques just extremely radical?
They're whipping up, I mean, really just doctrinal, actual just reading the Quran for what it is.
It's a very radical book and ideology.
Or is this something that is sort of a fusion where we're actually importing so many refugees, migrants, illegal aliens take your pick from Muslim-majority countries?
It seems like an unending stream and not really vetting these people.
Or is it sort of a mix of the both?
What do you think is really contributing to this problem?
keith self
Well, I think we have to look at the UK and France because UK and France have had mass migration of Muslims over the years.
They're 10 years ahead of us, I don't know.
But you see what the impact on the UK and France.
Now, the Sharia-dominant Muslims in those two countries are demanding accommodation.
So they pray in the street.
Why do they pray in the street?
It's not that they have to pray in the street.
They want to show that they are dominant.
They are causing other people to go around them.
So here in the United States, we've got several examples of this creeping harassment, this infiltration and then dividing.
So when they tell an American that you can't walk your dog down the sidewalk because it offends them, that is a dominant move.
When an imam goes around in Houston and tells the store owners that they cannot sell items that are rom, that don't comply with Sharia, that's harassment, that's intimidation.
That's a dominant move.
So they start out by infiltration, moving in, and then they start to demand accommodation.
They're not here to assimilate.
Let's be honest.
Foreigners that have come to the United States for many, many years wanted to assimilate.
Might have taken the first generation, the second generation.
But by the third generation, they were assimilated.
The Muslims coming here have no intention to do that.
In my district, there is now called the Meadows, Epic City.
It's a 400-plus acre town that's being developed.
It's planned.
They're submitting their documents to the county.
It's going to be built around a huge mosque, and it will be Muslim-only.
We don't want no-go zones.
And frankly, I want to speak to your women who are viewing this program.
Women are without a doubt, technically, actually, second-class citizens under Sharia.
You have child marriage, you have wife beatings, you have stoning for adultery of the woman.
So there is no doubt.
I don't know where the feminists are on this because second-class citizenship under Sharia is a real thing.
natalie winters
They're too busy being plagued by cultural relativism, I guess.
Congressman Self, we appreciate the work you're doing.
If people want to follow you, get access to all the materials you were just talking about, where can they go to do that?
keith self
Well, social media, whatever the format is, rep Keith Self, Rep, Keith Self.
My website is keithself.house.gov, G-O-V.
Why Gold Matters 00:13:24
natalie winters
Thank you, sir, for joining us.
We'll have you back soon.
Keep up the good work.
The real fight.
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And I never received more hate.
And I've said a lot of things that probably could have gotten me some hate, but it's true.
I stand by it.
We'll be right back.
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Welcome back to the war room.
Speaking of threats that we face, I guess we got radical Islam, the Chinese Communist Party, and the transnational criminal organizations known as gangs plaguing Latin America, though I would posit that they are funded, tied, financed by the Chinese Communist Party, at least in some part.
I digress on that because we got the wonderful author Blue Ramirez joining us actually live from El Salvador.
I'm quite envious you got to tour Seacot.
If anyone from El Salvador is listening, I would love to go there.
You had a wonderful tour.
You have wonderful content up on your social media.
I understand you are with the Minister of Defense.
You've been learning all about how it's working with American deportation efforts.
Walk the audience through where you are, what you've seen, and what you're doing.
oscar ramirez
Right here to El Salvador.
We enter the Seacot that it was a whole process.
At least it was this facility that it was designed by the Najibokele and the government of El Salvador to hold these gangs that they're designated as a terrorist organization.
It has a capacity of 40,000.
Right now, it is holding more than 20,000.
That a lot of them were the majority, you know, that were deported from the United States under the Trump administration just recently, in accordance and in allegiance with Najib Bukele, deported all the way to El Salvador to this terrorist facility.
We enter this facility, and it is just incredible.
It is incredible.
You see all these terrorists just lined up in these, you know, you can call them cages, whatever you want to call them.
But the majority of the people right here in El Salvador, they say that they deserve that.
They deserve to have peace.
A lot of these criminals, they have a sentence of 780 years for multiple homicides.
There was a guy that killed more than 50 plus people.
He has a sentence of 915 years.
And we interviewed one MS gang member.
You're going to have that footage on RAV on Real American Pushes and also on RAV and Espanol.
We interviewed one personally that he told us that he was from the MS-13 inside of the United States, operating under the Biden administration.
He did multiple crimes inside of the United States, and he was aligned with the cartels in Mexico.
These statements, we have them right here on an interview, a really private interview with him when we were in Seacot in the facility.
natalie winters
It seems like a lot of the issues that we're having that are stalling the mass deportations have to do with infrastructure, building capacity.
I think they're now buying up some warehouses.
It's quite expensive.
But what do you think the United States could learn from how El Salvador is dealing with this?
I mean, like you said, just mass incarceration, mass housing of, you know, very bad ombres to use a term.
What do you think are the lessons that the United States can take?
oscar ramirez
I asked the Minister of Defense yesterday, how can this operation be copy-pasted to the United States of America?
And he said on the operational level, on the territory and the land, a lot of intelligence that can be used.
They gave the full force to the military to go and combat these gangs that they're designated as terrorists, immediately taking them one by one, closing perimeters, closing the borders of the country so they will not escape to other foreign countries that they were connected to their borders.
That is what the United States can do and immediately create a prison that is designated for these particular individuals who they cannot be reinserted into society.
The authorities are telling us these individuals were decapitating, dismembering, you know, burning bodies, doing rituals with the devil, basically taking advantage, extortion and kidnapping, all the criminal acts that you cannot even imagine.
These individuals were doing them.
And these, a lot of these people, Natalie, this is the most aggravated thing.
They were inside of the United States.
And because of the allegiance between Bukele and Donald Trump, these individuals now they are in the hands of the El Salvadorian government.
natalie winters
Well, in talking about that alliance, I mean, I think I'm certainly heartened to see obviously that in Costa Rica, they had a populist and Lora Fernandez victory there.
But I think that the Seacott story is one that fits very nicely with President Trump's national security strategy, the Donro doctrine, whatever you want to call it, but prioritizing the Western hemisphere, ensuring not just that the Chinese Communist Party doesn't take over these countries, but that they actually can be used to sort of benefit the United States from a national security perspective.
This template where we see these positive, sort of mutually beneficial symbiotic relationships between us and these Latin, Central, South American countries, where else do you see that playing out?
I know you're around the region a lot, but do you think you could see this sort of replicate itself in other countries as well?
oscar ramirez
Absolutely.
And guess what, Natalie?
All of them, they believe in secure borders.
oscar blue ramirez
And it started with the United States of the world.
oscar ramirez
That was a domino effect from the Trump administration that has created this trickle effect into Central and South America.
What the Trump administration has done is, you know, give courage to these countries so they can execute their constitutional rights and they can secure their borders.
This exactly happened when the Trump administration came into office.
The whole dairy gap was shut down.
It was trafficking massively through this jungle was completely shut down.
All the countries now they have control of the voters just because the Trump administration decided to just say, you know what, we're going to secure our border.
We're going to secure our country.
And that gave these other countries the availability to just basically secure their borders and have the power to go against these criminal organizations massively.
natalie winters
Oscar, walk us through just a little bit more on this global immigration compact.
I know you've been following that for a while.
Obviously, they tried to deport, I think, what was it, 350,000 Haitian migrants, refugees, I never even know what term to use from the United States.
A radical judge stepped in.
From your perspective, is this sort of firewall of rogue judges becoming the new enforcement mechanism for some of these open borders policies?
Or why have we not seen the, you know, I think adequate or sufficient numbers of actual deportations happening that we need to be seeing?
oscar ramirez
Well, there's a couple of things that happened in the United States of America.
The globalist compact of immigration was brought to the West Hemisphere on the last days by Barack Obama.
As soon as Donald Trump came into office, he got out of it.
Then the stolen election on 2020.
oscar blue ramirez
And then you have Joe Biden bringing the Globalist Compact of Immigration.
oscar ramirez
Then on this compact, it tells you that you have to open the border, receive every single individual through a non-port of entry, give them housing, give them school, give them vehicles.
This was actually happening under the four years of the Biden administration.
And guess what?
The Trump administration, again, has canceled that and said we are not part of this compact of immigration.
The biggest mistake was to give the power to these NGOs that there are the wings of the United Nations, give the power of the voters of the United States of America to the United Nations.
And that was a full issue, Natalie.
You've seen the border patrol just standing sometimes, seeing thousands and thousands walking through and being the Uber of these individuals to holding facilities because of the United Nations have power of the United States.
You know, the whole issue right here, the results, is to never go back to these globalist compacts.
Because if you go back, you have more than 2.6 million migrants waiting in the vicinity of Mexico in some parts of Guatemala to see what is going to happen in the 2028 election.
natalie winters
Oscar, I like you too much to risk your life by having you continue to stand on that road, so I'm going to let you bounce.
You're giving me anxiety.
But if people want to follow you, stay up to date with all of the wonderful first-hand hands-on reporting that you're doing, where can they go to see that?
oscar ramirez
First and foremost, Real America's voiceover has opened up in Rav and Spanish.
Rav and Espanol, you can see programs like Raymond Azar tonight that they're bringing all the data and all the information.
So be sure to be following Rav and Espanol.
And also you can find me at Real America's Voice News and all my accounts in Excel, Foster Ramirez, CJ, and also it's Oscar Blue Ramirez everywhere.
And of course, at Real America's Voice News, Natalie, thank you so much for the invitation.
natalie winters
Thank you, sir, for joining us.
We'll have you back on soon.
Warren Posse, I want to direct your attention to another concerning story speaking of globalists in the United Nations, which I hear is going bankrupt.
Don't say you didn't vote for that.
I know we've officially drawn out of the World Health Organization, but I think COVID lets us all know that even if we draw out of that, it actually doesn't really matter because pathogens, viruses, organically, naturally created, or gain of function, lab created, they don't understand borders.
But it's quite interesting.
I'm sure you guys have seen that the Nipah virus has been causing some lockdowns and quarantines across Southeast Asia.
I think it's even making its way into Brazil and some other countries a little bit closer to us.
But what is so interesting about this outbreak is actually that I, on my sub stack, if you want to pull up the article, it's nataliegwinters.substack.com.
I encourage you to read this one.
It's quite mind-blowing.
Late 2025, I'm talking like the end of December, the WHO actually held a mock pandemic, a simulation exercise with the respiratory illness, of which Nipah virus is one of those, among other ways that it spreads.
But in Southeast Asia, in the same exact region where this pandemic is now happening.
And I know the Warroom audience is very much ahead of the curve.
And when I say event 201, you'll know exactly what I'm talking about.
The curiously timed, basically, COVID simulation run by Johns Hopkins, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the World Economic Forum, all of the bad ombres, maybe we'll take that term too and apply it to them.
But happened, like I said, just before a COVID-19 pandemic emerged.
And now this is called the Crystal Simulation.
Maybe they have a crystal ball and they can see into the future.
But like I said, happened in late December.
And now we are seeing an eerily and strikingly similar, you know, potential pandemic sort of break out in that same region that they were doing.
That the WHO actually captioned the description of the exercise as the next pandemic is coming.
Very definitive.
I don't like that verb tense when used by the WHO.
And if the word pandemic is anywhere near that sentence, we're going to be joined by Mike Howell shortly.
We're going to get into the latest on immigration and what Congress is failing to do to help return this country to its glory, which includes mass deportations.
We'll be right back after the short break.
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Welcome back to the war room, Denver.
If you can toss up this horrible CNN article on screen, it's almost like the globalist hacks over there can't conceal their joy or excitement for the prospect of the Chinese Communist Party overtaking the United States on the world stage.
They talk about how with the host of foreign visits that Xi Jinping has been entertaining over there, particularly from Western countries who seem to sort of be reneging on the traditional U.S.-dominated trade and economic hierarchy, obviously coupled with Xi Jinping calling for the Chinese currency to become the sort of new global reserve currency.
All of this together, you know, I think it's quite interesting.
I mean, basically, on every single issue, the legacy media has been wrong, whether it's the origins of COVID, misinformation, I could go on, election integrity, you name it.
But I also think one of their most serious, I would say, misdiagnoses is that of the threat that the Chinese Communist Party poses.
And you see it on full display in this article.
And it's quite interesting watching all these intellectuals who told us that China wasn't a threat.
They were so great.
We should trade with them.
I believe it was Joe Biden who wrote an op-ed for the New York Times in the early 2010s saying that China isn't a threat.
It's a rising tide, lifts all boats.
They're actually our friend.
They're not an enemy.
But now, all of a sudden, the 11th hour, all of these people are realizing what we've been telling you here on the war room for years, what feels like decades, is that the Chinese Communist Party is indeed a very serious and very credible threat.
And you're seeing that on full display right now, the way that Keir Starmer was treated when he went over there, not just the fact that he didn't even get a private tour of the forbidden city.
That's unheard of.
They also, I think, found the only people above six feet tall in the entirety of China and made him dress up as guards when they were doing the formal procession.
So he was mogged, as the kids would say.
He looked very tiny, and he was grabbed by one of the premier CCP officials and yanked over like this.
And the only reason that he even was allowed to go on that trip in the first place, the operative where they're being allowed, was because they granted China rights to basically a new, much larger, sure great for intelligence gathering purposes, embassy in the UK.
And in exchange, he got basically nothing.
And Mark Carney, of course, got, I think, what was it, about six or so MOUs.
But I guess to get that, he had to publicly shill for the Chinese Communist Party on what seems to be a lot of global stages recently, most notably calling straight out in the open for a new world order.
I believe that was at Davos.
And obviously, what you're seeing going on with the Central Military Commission, with Xi Jinping purging generals further consolidating power, showing that he is as strong as ever.
But I think really quite concerning the movements that we're seeing around Taiwan, not just the escalated intensity of the naval exercises that are going on there, but the types of people that are being installed at the highest levels of China's Central Military Commission.
The vice chairman, that's sort of the second in command level.
That's where we've seen a lot of the purges.
I think it's upwards of like 80%.
It's wild of his generals are gone, but they're basically filling the decks with the younger crowd, which ascribes to what is colloquially known as the wolf warrior diplomacy style, which is much more aggressive.
They think Taiwan is theirs.
I would just remind China that you never had any presence, authority, dominion, or sovereignty or territorial claims to Taiwan.
I think the Netherlands has more than you guys do.
But that a lot of these generals are so obsessed with pleasing Xi Jinping, it's this form of political correctness where they will just yes man him essentially into invading Taiwan and they're much more aligned with that 2027 invasion plan as opposed to 2035 or beyond.
I don't harp on just because Taiwan is important.
It's important because it is the front lines to that new world order.
If/slash when China were to invade, whether kinetically hybrid gray zone take your pick, that would be very, very bad, not just for Taiwan, but for the world order as we know it.
And we already see, you know, you want to talk about election interference, what the Chinese Communist Party does there with the KMT, how they buy off elections, how they pay off candidates.
I mean, you think it's bad here.
It's wild what goes on there.
And now, and yet another display of complete and utter fealty, you got the vice chairman of the KMT going overseas to China, leading a 40-person delegation, totally kissing up sycophantically to the Chinese Communist Party, completely selling out.
And here's why this is so important.
You want to talk about when you're seeing this new world order come and start butting heads.
You can see it right now on the issue of Taiwan's defense budget.
Again, understanding Taiwan as a sort of flashpoint in what is the potential kinetic part of World War III.
Certainly the economic and information warfare stuff is already underway.
But it's really quite concerning because it's all over the special defense budget, which the DPP, the current party in power there, is trying to push, get it up to 40 million US dollars to make sure that Taiwan can actually deter effectively the Chinese Communist Party.
But you see their opposition introducing legislation to neuter that to basically, you know, zero dollars.
I think it's around 10 million, but I'm sure they would love it to be zero.
And they want that, and they love that because that's what their Chinese Communist Party overlords are telling them to do.
And within the legislative yuan, which is their equivalent of Congress or Parliament, the KMT, so the CCP proxy, has a majority or plurality, I guess, of 52 seats.
The DPP is at 51, and TPP, this sort of third party, is at eight seats.
The United States has expressed President Trump that they want Taiwan to pass this budget.
They desperately need it.
And meanwhile, the Chinese Communist Party obviously does not want it to happen.
So when you bring all this together, it's quite clear that we are seeing in real time, like even the CNN article picks up flashpoints in the global struggle for sovereignty between the United States of America and the Chinese Communist Party.
And the Chinese Communist Party is rolling extremely hard.
And it's very concerning.
And, you know, we'll get into it at some point down the road.
But this special defense budget really, I think, is becoming a test sort of first round or first instance where you're seeing the Chinese Communist Party sort of running roughshod over the United States and getting what they want through various means of political, hybrid, and in some cases, kinetic warfare.
And I will stop my rambling there because we've got the one and only Mike Howell who joins us to talk about, I guess we're talking about warfare.
We'll throw lawfare in there too, though.
I think the Chinese Communist Party came up with that as part of their three warfares doctrine.
But Mike, speaking of law affair, all things Ed Martin, I know you guys have been tracking everything going on with him closely.
There's a lot of reports.
I never know what to make of it.
I don't believe anything the legacy media says, but certainly some noise, perhaps signal.
I don't know.
But your thoughts on the situation with Ed Martin over at DOJ?
mike howell
Ed Martin's not going anywhere.
I just spoke to him and he's got the president's full backing.
Don't listen to any of the noise.
The reason why he has the president's backing is because he is loyal to the agenda that got President Trump into the White House.
You know, we have worked so closely with him out of the Oversight Project on the things that I think the base expected to be delivered, whether it was the pardons of the contingent electors in the state cases, which, by the way, DOJ still needs to take some steps to take care of those people, or if it was raining in D.C. when he was picked as the U.S. attorney and then taken out by Senator Tom Tillis, who no longer will be a senator pretty soon.
Ed Martin is the bleeding edge and the voice of the base, and he's not going anywhere.
The eagle is going to stay soaring.
natalie winters
What do you think we can come to expect on the election integrity fight that we're seeing going on?
I think they just sort of announced that Tulsi was going to be the point person on that, but there's a lot of sort of curiously timed whistleblower complaints coming out now.
Walk us through that vertical too.
mike howell
Yeah, so there's many verticals within that vertical.
Obviously, Tulsi Gabbard has a pretty strong purview into the security of the systems and she's pushing hard and facing a lot of blowback for it.
I think there is a recognition setting in that not enough has been done on election integrity and the other verticals as well.
You know, particularly, you know, we hear all the talk in Congress about the SAVE Act and all that stuff.
But the president's been abundantly clear as to what he wants to see in terms of improvements to the national election systems and how the states conduct them.
And there just hasn't been that type of follow-through, particularly out of, you know, DOJ.
Harmed Dillon's done some good work, but there hasn't been this kind of prioritization that aligns with the president's rhetoric on it.
And so I'm hoping, and we're seeing rumblings of that recognition setting in and being understood.
What needs to come next is sustained prioritization of it.
We're very close to midterms, and the Democrat base is going to be riled up with all of their fraud techniques.
We still largely have the same broken systems that rigged the 2020 election.
And it's going to be a force to contend with unless severe, swift, and extreme action is taken soon.
I like to say that our election security in the United States is worse than dancing with the stars.
And I think that that holds up when we still have this mail-in ballot issue.
We still have these hordes of illegals, many of whom we've proven to be registered to vote.
And you have Congress asleep at the wheel and not enough action out of the admin.
So ain't nothing to it but to do it, but it needs to get moving.
natalie winters
It always does crack me up when they say, oh, if we deport all the illegals, it's going to be bad for elections.
I'm like, well, I thought they couldn't vote.
But I digress.
Mike, we've got a few minutes before we got a bounce to break.
I definitely want to hold you through.
I'm just curious, your sort of overall assessment, obviously, there's a lot to be desired on the accountability front with what we're seeing from the admin right now.
Is it a problem of who is in there or is it a problem of a shortage of people, right?
Like the DOJ, it seems like they're having issues maybe getting lawyers and stuff like that, but then they're also acting or allegedly, but not some of their best people.
What do you think the issue is?
mike howell
Yeah, it's both of those things.
And this is a story as old as time.
I remember this from Trump admin one, you know, lock her up and then wait, never mind.
There is always this political tension where when people come in after a campaign, they want to just look forward and not backwards.
The problem is you absolutely have to look backwards at what happened in the Biden years with the election, with the weaponization, with the lawfare.
People need to be held accountable.
And that was, you know, the first time, I think, in an American presidential election, that was the overriding theme, right?
It was, I am your voice.
I am your retribution.
We're going to solve for the problems that you guys suffered through for four years.
And instead, you have a lot of people who get into the administration and want to go on to their next thing, right?
You want to be a cabinet secretary of business as usual.
And it's hard to look back.
It's hard to investigate your own agency.
It's hard to review documents, to interview people and whatnot.
Cutting ribbons is easy.
You know, cashing checks, doing press conference and tweeting, that's the easy part.
That's the fun part.
So that's always been a problem, but it wasn't supposed to be a problem this goes.
natalie winters
The hard part of the show is that I got to cut you off while you're rolling bang with us through the break.
We got to keep drilling down on this.
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natalie winters
Welcome back to The War Room.
Mike Howell, we've still got you.
I want you to pick up where you left off, but also loop us in on the probably most noble, the noblest of all fights, that is the immigration crusade.
I know the left can't define what a woman is, but I think our side can't define what a mass deportation is.
I don't think there were asterisks on there on the campaign trail that said worst of the worst are only criminals.
But your thoughts on where we stand on all that?
mike howell
Yeah, unfortunately that we're nowhere close to where we need to be or on a trajectory together.
There's some reporting today about money being held up at DHS out of the one big beautiful bill.
And if that's not in the system soon, we just won't have the infrastructure, not only to build the border wall, but the detention facilities required.
And I think the key problem here is the death spiral and the communications and rhetoric coming out of the administration that they'd only focus on criminals, thinking that they could change liberals' minds about even deporting criminals.
And when that communications tactic turned into an operational limit, you reduced the scope of mass deportations dramatically.
But here's the good news.
I think it's set in.
People understand it now.
There are a lot of people out there who were big fans of the president and want him to meet the promise he made to beat Eisenhower.
He can fix it if he puts ICE and DHS back on the mission that he sold to the American people.
And we're going to help him do it.
You know, a lot of people are coming together to prove to the American people that we can get to commas in the numbers and we need to get to commas in the numbers.
And so it's going to be a big public fight and we need the war imposse absolutely engaged because if we don't deport, we aren't going to have a country left.
natalie winters
And just walk us through the latest with the TPS, the temporary protected status for the cat, what is it, the cat eating Haitians?
I guess you got the fraud, scammy Somalis, and then you got the cat eating Haitians.
How's that for the lovely migrants that we let into this country now?
But walk us through some radical judge blocking the deportation of those 350,000.
mike howell
Right.
So there's something called temporary protected status.
The key word there is temporary.
The Trump administration ended temporary protected status for the Haitians.
A judge pops in for something that's not even judicially reviewable and says absolutely no way you can do this.
So we're back to judicial law affair, extreme activism.
And it just shows like who gets more due process in the United States of America than the people who shouldn't be here.
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mike howell
That is the opposite of America first.
And that's why we need to really rededicate this administration to the prospect of deporting millions.
It's just not fair to Americans to have their system of law inverted against them and in favor of people who shouldn't be there at all.
And, you know, we're just going to see more and more fraud, more and more judicial obstruction.
So the only way through is just at through.
It's through mass deportation in the numbers game.
Hopefully this judge's decision gets tossed pretty quickly, but that's why you got to do it all fronts, all times, without exceptions and without nuance.
natalie winters
Well, and I'm sorry, but like we're giving this weird, perverted, you know, non-American migrant first version of the rule of law that's applying to people who came here illegally or barely legally from countries that don't even have anything reminiscent of the rule of law.
And if Americans were to step foot there, I'd love to see the kind of kangaroo courts that we got going on there.
I mean, it is such an affront.
It is such a slap in the face.
Like you said, I mean, how can we put America first if we can't even define what a freaking American is?
I think to be American to these people means to scam the government, get on welfare, destroy the culture.
But what do we get in return?
I don't know.
I don't think we have, I know we're live for about a sixth of the day, but I don't think we even have enough time on War Room to answer that question.
Maybe we get what?
Cuisine?
Well, I don't really like to eat cats or whatever voodoo food they serve.
So I'm okay without them.
We should definitely deport them.
I'm sure, Mike, you share my viewpoint on that.
If people want to follow you, stay up to date with everything you guys are working on over there.
You guys are doing great work.
Where can they go to do that?
mike howell
Yeah, check us out on X at It's YourGov.
I'm at MHALTweets and enough of this anti-feline, anti-deportation judiciary out there.
We got to send them back.
natalie winters
Indeed, send them back.
They should have never been here in the first place.
Temporary is temporary.
Thank you, sir.
The GOP is certainly making the same mistake that they did back in 2013 when post, what was it, Mitt Romney's loss, they wrote the autopsy saying that the way that we win elections is by going soft on immigration and trying to win over this elusive block of liberals that maybe if we just convince them that only deporting the criminals is bad, that maybe they'll vote for us.
It's like, no, these people don't like America.
They don't think borders exist and they don't believe in countries.
They don't care about criminals.
They are themselves criminals.
They vote for a party that is an institutionalized version of criminality that's trying to destroy the United States from within.
It's that simple.
And this idea that we're going to court, you know, minorities or whatever demographic to vote for us by letting them in, it's not an issue worth compromising on.
If we compromise on the fundamental core that is MAGA, then we are not MAGA anymore.
You don't have MAGA.
You don't have America first if you don't have citizenship and sovereignty.
So by that logic, we should just get rid of everything that made us controversial, that made us defy the Republican establishment so we can court a voting base that, by the way, doesn't even want to hear your pitch.
They tried to censor you.
They tried to jail you.
They tried to debank you.
They tried to deplatform you.
They have no interest in compromising with you.
They don't care about, or they do care about deporting criminals because they themselves are criminals.
So stop trying to appeal to people who hate you.
I don't want unity with Democrats.
I don't want unity with Sharia law adhering Muslims.
And I don't want unity with cat-eating Haitians.
And I don't want unity with fraudulent, scammy Somalis in Minnesota.
I don't want it.
I want unity with American citizens who are patriotic and love this country.
Not that radical.
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