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Vectors Of Conflict
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| This is the primal screen of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. | ||
| Everyone's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you're trying to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big line? | ||
| MAGA Media. | ||
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
| Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | ||
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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War Room. | |
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Friday, 30th of January, Anno Domini, 2026. | ||
| Ben Harnwell here at the helm, joining you as usual on a Friday evening to break down in a little more detail some of the things that we get to discuss, especially on Get Up during the week. | ||
| And one of the great things I enjoy doing on the show is bringing back guests back by popular demand. | ||
| And that's what we're going to be doing today. | ||
| We've got Professor David Betts, who is a professor of war in the modern world at King's College, London. | ||
| You might remember, folks, he was back on before Christmas, the show, discussing his particular thesis, which has had a huge deal of resonance, especially in the UK, that we're heading towards civil war. | ||
| Or the signs are there. | ||
| And as an expert in war in the modern world, he's certainly someone who knows what those signs would be. | ||
| And he said a couple of articles as well in the peer-reviewed journal Military Strategy magazine, which we'll be distributing out on social media. | ||
| Professor Betts, thanks for coming back on the show. | ||
| Now, you said recently that you think in the UK we might be seeing something like Belfast during the troubles, the situation for our American audience, the historic troubles between Protestants and Catholics, the sectarian problems, which were horrific not only for Northern Ireland, the Irish Republic, and also for the UK. | ||
| And violence, I think, that most people will be familiar with, even if they're not particular au fait with the granular details of what happened in the 60s and 70s, 80s in the UK. | ||
| And you've also said that we could be potentially seeing a situation. | ||
| Now, this would be more familiar to an American audience. | ||
| Baghdad around 2008 or 2010. | ||
| And you've suggested that largely urban areas will be seeing people essentially fortifying their neighborhood for protection. | ||
| Those are very provocative and interesting statements. | ||
| I very much agree with them. | ||
| But it's unusual to hear to see a British academic suggesting these things out loud. | ||
| Could we start off? | ||
| Could you describe in a little more detail what you meant with that comparison? | ||
| Okay, so I imagine there will be two vectors of the civil conflict, which I imagine. | ||
| One is essentially between what in the current British lexicon is referred to usually as the kind of anywheres versus somewheres. | ||
| These are essentially elite versus street or mob versus blob. | ||
| You have Essentially, one vector of the conflict, which has the nature of a peasant rebellion, in which the mass of the population, which feels that it has been betrayed by its own elite, | ||
| seeks to punish that elite and to bring it back into line with what it thinks is the kind of traditional rules of the game. | ||
| That is what I mean when I invoked the image of the Northern Ireland troubles, which is to say a kind of conflict which is characterized by chronic low-grade violence, assassinations, kidnappings, demonstrative beatings, things like that. | ||
| The other vector of the conflict is intertribal, and that is essentially between the native population, which is rapidly coming into a sense of appreciation of itself as a political community in line with the rules of identity politics, | ||
| like every other community, and its conflict with more recent arrivals in the country, so with the non-native population, which is increasingly concentrated in enclaves. | ||
| And that's the so you have basically these two vectors: one you might imagine being vertical between the mass of the population and its elite, and one being horizontal between two elements of the existing population that are essentially mutually incompatible. | ||
| I don't want to put words into your mouth, but suggesting looking at the vertical vector first, that might indicate, I would suggest, a movement. | ||
| And I've said this on the show before, that I think the UK is heading more towards revolution, whereas the United States, I think, potentially would be moving more towards civil war. | ||
| But I think the signs are there in both countries for both phenomena. | ||
| But would you say, is it fair to characterize or to synthesize what you're saying by the vertical vector as being a sign that could lead towards revolution, whereas the horizontal vector is a phenomenon that would indicate civil war? | ||
| Yes, I think that's fair. | ||
| The horizontal vector is one that would quite possibly lead towards balkanization and then, right, so whereas the vertical is has more the nature of a peasant revolt. | ||
| So, in other words, it has a revolutionary aspect to it. | ||
| The only thing that I hesitate around that is I don't think that this revolt is so much about the replacement of the elite. | ||
| It isn't that sort of thing. | ||
| What it is, is likely to be a series of outrages which are designed to bring the elite back into heel, to bring the elite back into a situation where they are performing their end of the social contract. | ||
| And at present, there is a strong feeling through, it must be said throughout the Western world, isn't specifically a UK problem or an American problem, but it's very typical throughout most Western countries, | ||
| primarily motivated through migration policy, but other things, deindustrialization, over-financialization, other things which have significantly affected the mass while enriching the elite. | ||
| So I think the difference in the United States to me is that in the United States you have in the figure of President Trump someone who is genuinely serving what he understands to be the national interest. | ||
| He does wish to preserve the United States as a historical political cultural entity, whereas that's very questionable with respect to European elites. | ||
| It's hard to point to the British Prime Minister Keir Starmer as someone who really has any kind of strong affection for the country which he rules, is a person who, I think, is almost quintessentially post-nationalist in his orientation. | ||
| So that changes the dynamic considerably. | ||
| Rightly or wrongly, I think that America, that the mass of there are multiple masses of angry people in the United States, but one fraction of that mass considers that the person in the White House is on their side. | ||
| Whereas in the UK, in France, in Germany, and in other places, there isn't that sense that there is an elite fraction which is, in fact, on the side of the somewheres, people who are rooted in their place and wish to survive as cohesive national entities. | ||
| That's, I think, quite a big difference between the two situations. | ||
| I think you put that pretty elegantly. | ||
| And one of the problems with the UK, as you're suggesting, is that whereas in America, even if the social situation in America is pretty evenly split down the middle, one half believes that the guy in charge is standing firmly in their corner. | ||
| In the UK, as you correctly point out, no one thinks that on either side of the political spectrum about Keir Starmer. | ||
| But I would also say that no one thinks that about any recent run of leaders of the Tory Party as well. | ||
| And that's the particular issue I see that concerns me about the UK, is that we have what's called the uni party. | ||
| You know, the colour might change, but the policies are broadly identical, one with another. | ||
| That said, it is interesting to see just how bad the present Labour government is. | ||
| You know, you get an idea of that by the fact that the government is trying to postpone local government elections in over 30 councils, which is a huge, there's no good faith argument about this. | ||
| This is Keir Starmer trying to avoid what will be a very dangerously political result for him and his future credibility. | ||
| It's simply that, and everyone knows that. | ||
| And it is an illustration of how out of touch the Labour Party is that it's doing these things. | ||
| It's introducing measures to overturn 800 years worth of jurisprudential progress with the jury trials in certain cases, which is absolutely astonishing if you think about that act of parliamentary positivism. | ||
| And it's an illustration of how out of touch the Labour Party, the Prime Minister and the Chancellor, Rachel Reeves, they lied to the Parliament and to the country over the recent budget, to the degree of debt that the nation is in order to do an absolute grab on people's wealth. | ||
| It's an illustration of how out of touch that the Labour Party is. | ||
| That the Tory Party isn't making any inroads. | ||
| Because however bad the Labour Party is, people have this understanding on the inside that the Tories, if they were in control, would be just as bad. | ||
| And that's a very dangerous situation. | ||
| And I don't know, I can't remember the last time in my lifetime I've seen a government so unpopular where the opposition has failed to pick up. | ||
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Splits Materializing
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| Now I'm going to ask you about Nigel Farage in a moment because that is the elephant in the living room in terms of my questioning for you this evening. | ||
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| You know what? | ||
| I'm going to do I'll do the shout out first. | ||
| I do want to ask you about the three sides that you said that will emerge in the UK, which is basically a Muslim faction in urban enclaves, a white Caucasian faction that regards the government as illegitimate and captured by the elites, and then what will be the leftover remnants of the British state. | ||
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| Back to Professor Betts. | ||
| Tell me a bit if you wouldn't mind in your own words about How this centrifugal social forces in the UK will splinter British society into these three factions that you've indicated: the Islamic faction, the white Caucasian faction, and then the faction that's loyal to the state and its clients. | ||
| Okay, so we have elite and street and the street being split into native population and recent migrants, these being the divisions. | ||
| The splits have already materialized. | ||
| It's not really hard to detect them at all. | ||
| You need to, you can observe it very simply by walking around certain cities in the UK, certain neighborhoods, in fact, in the UK. | ||
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Structural Issues Fueling Political Crisis
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| One of the more important phenomenon that has occurred in the last year are the arising of organic grassroots raise the flag movements, which are demarcating neighborhoods throughout the country in a very obvious way, which is highly typical of societies that are in a proto-insurgent situation. | ||
| With respect to the division between elite and mass, I think that's pretty apparent. | ||
| And you just, depending how you look at it, I mean, it's apparent in the way that people discuss national politics, the frequency with which people invoke the idea of elite betrayal, the frequency with which you see political commentary, which is neither left nor right, actually. | ||
| This is across the political spectrum where people talk about broken Britain, not as a thesis statement, but as a premise that is just widely assumed to be true, that the country is broken in a range of very obvious manners. | ||
| But I suppose for myself, the one that is most measurable and kind of has the most scholarly respectability, I guess, because it's been consistently measured, is what polling tells us about levels of trust and about people's sense of specifically in their trust in government and trust in political officials. | ||
| So there is in the UK something called the British Social Attitudes Survey. | ||
| It's been running for many years. | ||
| It asks the same questions consistently. | ||
| And that, from the perspective of someone who is measuring the health and cohesiveness of a given society, is a highly alarming document. | ||
| It's like looking at an EKGE where the line is descending towards zero very, very deliberately. | ||
| So currently, just about 9% of people in the country profess to believe politicians are honest and work in the national interest. | ||
| There are other even more alarming indicators. | ||
| Something like 60%, roughly 60% of Britons between the ages of 18 and 34 now agree with the statement that some form of violence is permissible to achieve social change. | ||
| 17% think actual physical violence is okay to do that. | ||
| That's not a healthy sign by any measure. | ||
| So these fissures that I talk about are academics can argue about all kinds of things and will debate the nuances of things. | ||
| But to suggest that this is a highly fractured society and that there are signs of it quite literally visible to any person with eyesight as you move across the urban landscape of the country is really not really not controversial. | ||
| Of course, what has brought much of this into prominence and just very much excited people is the continuing revelations around the industrial scale raping of primarily white working class girls by Pakistani community-based, | ||
| multi-generational. | ||
| national sexual torture networks that are moving girls around. | ||
| And if you need some kind of illustration of a fractionated society, one in which you can't trust that your neighbor is not going to prey on your children is a pretty strong one. | ||
| Let me ask you this, Professor Betz, because I mentioned it earlier, and it's going to be of interest to the war room posse. | ||
| I see the British political system like, you know, because very much for the reasons that you said in your own words, like a pressure cooker. | ||
| And the one possibility on the horizon that might actually release that pressure out would be the election, basically from one parliament to the next. | ||
| I'm not sure when that's ever happened before, of Nigel Farage and Reform UK. | ||
| Do you think if that were to happen at the next election, whenever that election will be, that would significantly reduce the civil war stroke revolution tensions in the UK? | ||
| Yeah, I do want to stress that I'm really not making a party political point here, or I'm not trying to. | ||
| That's not most of what I'm talking about. | ||
| In fact, all I'm talking about are structural issues. | ||
| This is not political point scoring. | ||
| I'm not trying to be that sort of pundit. | ||
| And your earlier remarks about the uniparty are entirely accurate. | ||
| And people understand that to be the case, which is what is fueling this. | ||
| I think there's the fundamental thing that is fueling this pressure cooker you talk about, because Once people have fully internalized that voting doesn't matter, then that is an expression of basically a complete lack of confidence in the legitimacy of the existing system. | ||
| It is a complete lack of confidence in the ability of politics to solve collective action problems in that society. | ||
| And it's really hard to roll back from that. | ||
| And to the point of your specific question now about reform, I have to say I'm not terribly optimistic on this front. | ||
| Reform as currently just doesn't look to me to possess the sense of urgency, to possess the desire to conduct the sort of radical changes to the society, | ||
| which would be implied by a reasonable estimate, apprehension of the problems which we face. | ||
| Moreover, even if we get to the next election, Professor Betts, let me just clarify that. | ||
| You think that these forces in the UK are so already entrenched and the momentum is there that not even an eventual hypothetical reform government would be able to stop the civil war in the UK that you see that you hypothesize as being on the horizon. | ||
| It's that bad. | ||
| Yeah, I don't see that. | ||
| Yes, in answer to your question, it's that bad. | ||
| As I said, the issues are structural. | ||
| They're not casually political. | ||
| They're not superficially political. | ||
| They're deeply social. | ||
| And that's that. | ||
| bottom line is the political system is not able to cure itself that's um that's that is pretty serious um I just want to share with the war room audience some statistics and some facts and some contributions that support very much Professor Bitts' thesis. | ||
| A recent YouGov poll last year suggests found that 33% of British adults believed a civil war would occur in the next decade. | ||
| And Lisa Nandi, who is the UK's culture secretary, said that the situation, the public disaffection, was so bad that she thought the whole of the north of England could go up in flames. | ||
| So here are sort of contributions that very much support your thesis, Professor Bets. | ||
| Where do people go? | ||
| I know you're on your in the UK media, you're out sort of all the time warning people of what is going to happen. | ||
| I like to say this will happen unless we take action. | ||
| But you're coming in with a line which is even sort of harder than the one that I'm pushing. | ||
| It's going to happen pretty much no matter what we do. | ||
| Where do people go on social media to keep up with your output? | ||
| Well, you can search David Bett see it on the screen. | ||
| I'm pretty distinctive. | ||
| You can find me easily on X if you wish. | ||
| But the main thing is just I do publish regularly in academic circles. | ||
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Why Democracy Is Misused
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| That's it. | ||
| Perfect. | ||
| Professor Betts, come back on the show soon and share your latest analyses with us at any time. | ||
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| We have another regular guest on the show. | ||
| He's been with us several times before, Gonzalo Martín, who's the vice president of national democracy in Spain. | ||
| And we've asked Gonzalo to come and explain something to us that's been all over the world's press over the last few days. | ||
| And that is Pedro Sanchez, the Spanish prime minister, has announced that they are going to regularize 500,000 illegal third world invaders and give them residency permits and work visas. | ||
| And the only criteria to take advantage of this amnesty is that you had to have been in Spain before the 31st of December of last year. | ||
| That's not even one month ago. | ||
| So if you doesn't matter how illegally you came into the country, if you were there for five minutes, five months before that date, if you were in by the 31st and had been there for five months before then, then you will be eligible for those residents and work permits. | ||
| And not only that, the moment you apply for those residency permits, any deportation proceedings are immediately halted. | ||
| And not only that, but once you get those residency permits, you'll then be able to travel anywhere in the European Union on those documents. | ||
| Of course, technically, you would only be allowed to stay in another EU country for three months before returning. | ||
| But if you entered into Spain illegally and that's not a problem for you, then going to another EU country and staying there illegally isn't going to be a problem for you either. | ||
| That is what the current Spanish government is doing and I think it's an absolute betrayal of the Spanish people. | ||
| Gonzalo, thanks for coming back on the show. | ||
| Why don't you tell us, start off with explaining to us what the procedure is here because there's so much to learn about how these left-wing socialist governments operate. | ||
| This isn't being done by a vote in parliament with debate and accountability. | ||
| This is being done by royal decree. | ||
| Gonzalo, tell the war in posse exactly what is going down in Spain right now. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| So it's not the first time they are doing something like this. | ||
| Also, the center-right party, the popular party in Spain, they did it before with the president Jose Maria Arnar. | ||
| So it's not the first time we are realizing like half million immigrants like this, no, with a couple of hands. | ||
| So they are avoiding to go to the parliament. | ||
| They just do it, as you said, with the royal decree. | ||
| And like this is very fast and it's ridiculous, as you said. | ||
| Yes, one month ago, people that came to Spain, they can apply already. | ||
| They can afterwards, with the help of the NGOs, they can say that they were staying in Spain five months prior to December. | ||
| We know how they lie. | ||
| So it's not even the five months before December, not even that would be accomplished. | ||
| So people that they are centered in Spain a month ago, they can apply already for this. | ||
| This is so ridiculous. | ||
| And of course they want voters. | ||
| That's one of the main points. | ||
| So you mean by that once these people are regularized and eventually get citizenship, they will all be voting for the left, right? | ||
| That's what you're not putting words into your mouth. | ||
| That's what you're saying. | ||
| This is a way how the left-wing socialist government can increase its voter base by 500,000 people, right? | ||
| That's your argument. | ||
| Yes, not immediately, but most part of these are legal immigrants, they come from South America. | ||
| And as I told you in other programs before, when you invite me, in Spain, by the Spanish constitution, people that they come from territories that used to be part of the Spanish Empire, they can get their citizenship very fast in less than three years. | ||
| So these people that now they are being legalized, in three years, probably they will be able to be voting. | ||
| And of course, they will vote always parties that they help them to bring all the families to get all the social help. | ||
| So they will not vote right wing, of course. | ||
| So that's why they are really doing this very fast for having these votes, seeing that young people are willing to vote, many of them more conservative comparing with the parents, for example. | ||
| Tell me something about the anger in Spain right now, not simply on the maneuver to regularize half a million people, but the process and the way that it's being done. | ||
| How is that going down in Spain? | ||
| Well, the situation is very, very bad. | ||
| People are totally divided into blocks. | ||
| I think like in America it's happening. | ||
| And in the last month, the situation is getting worse. | ||
| There was a huge train accident where almost 50 people died. | ||
| And of course, the government is trying to avoid any kind of responsibility. | ||
| People see that things don't work in Spain anymore, that everything is a problem. | ||
| The infrastructure is not being repaired in the trains or roads. | ||
| And then while in Spain we don't repair our own infrastructure, we are giving, for example, 500 million euros to Morocco for the metro, the subway, I think, in Rabat. | ||
| And this is ridiculous. | ||
| We are giving money away to many third world countries. | ||
| While Spain is not a really rich country, we have a huge debt. | ||
| And all the economic growth of Spain is based on this debt. | ||
| So it's not true that Spain is doing good. | ||
| Today they were saying that Spain will grow the GDP next year 2.1%, but it's totally false because it's based on debt. | ||
| Let me ask you this. | ||
| People are seeing this regularization, if I can use the word regularization of 500,000 people, and they're seeing it being done via royal decree and not through a straight-up honest vote in parliament. | ||
| Are there any people saying in Spain, if this is how democracy works, then democracy has failed? | ||
| What I mean to say, is this kind of maneuver in Spain putting the idea of democracy itself in danger? | ||
| Yes, there is this political party vox. | ||
| We talk about them already. | ||
| They are more, they are close to the views of Donald Trump in a way. | ||
| They are conservative, liberal people. | ||
| And they are saying, of course, that all the leftists always talking about democracy, talking about the constitution, talking about how we need to work together for better Spain, democracy, democracy, democracy. | ||
| But when they want, they don't use democracy so much. | ||
| They use what they patch with the separatists and they get all the laws they want done. | ||
| So they do it like this, straight with a royal decree. | ||
| They don't need to go to the parliament. | ||
| What I was, what I specifically, yeah, what I was specifically looking at or looking for is the idea that the whole concept of democracy in Spain might be so discredited if this is the sort of thing that emerges out of it. | ||
| And people will say, look, if this is democracy, I don't want it. | ||
| You know, it was better under Franco. | ||
| That's why I'm are there people in Spain looking at what's going on at the moment and sort of rejecting privately in conversations? | ||
| I'm not saying that they're going out with placards or protesting, but are there people saying, looking at this maneuver and saying, if this is democracy, I don't want it. | ||
| It's failed. | ||
| You are totally right. | ||
| I was talking about political parties. | ||
| Of course, none of them is criticizing the system because they are part of the system. | ||
| But people, of course, they are tired. | ||
| The amount of taxes we pay in Spain for everything. | ||
| People having a small business, they have to pay up to 50-60% of taxes. | ||
| And they see how it works. | ||
| They say all this money is going for immigrants. | ||
| All this money is going for NGOs who are the friends of the people in the government. | ||
| They are getting paid with our taxes a lot of money. | ||
| And all this money is going for people that they are not willing to work. | ||
| And most of them, they are immigrants. | ||
| So, of course, people say this is not a democracy. | ||
| Of course, with Franco, we're living better because with Franco, yes, somebody working in a restaurant, a waiter, could afford to buy a house in 10 years, even a second house at the coast on the beach. | ||
| And now they see that with a normal salary, you cannot even pay the rent of one room in Madrid or Barcelona. | ||
| So, yes, people start to see that all this democracy is only for the privileged people, it's only for the rich people. | ||
| Okay, now I don't want to put words into your mouth, but I do want to know because you're there on the ground and you have a political party which is extremely responsive to the public anger. | ||
| So, I do want to be precise in my own mind here about this. | ||
| So, let me just ask you this one more time before I just read some publicity. | ||
| Is part of your argument, therefore, is part of the argument of national democracy, democracy and nationale, right? | ||
| It's part of your argument to the government, to your socialist government. | ||
| Do not go through and give permanent papers to 500,000 illegal third-world invaders because and don't do it by royal decree either. | ||
| Because if you proceed with this, in addition to all the negative aspects that we're going to have on society, we're going to cover those after the break in terms of crime and what have you. | ||
| In addition to all these negative things that are going to come out of this, you will also put the whole apparatus of democracy in danger. | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| Is that right? | ||
| You're totally right. | ||
| The thing is that they use, as I said, the word democracy for what they want. | ||
| And once they use the rules, the regular basis of what the constitution, the Spanish constitution says, when they want these rules, don't apply for them because they cannot get what they want. | ||
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IRS Research and Discovery Call
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| They change, they find a way always to do what they want. | ||
| And this is what people perceive. | ||
| Normal people, the regular people that they don't know about law, they are people that don't know so much about politics, but they have the feeling of what is happening is like they can do always what they want. | ||
| They can always change the law. | ||
| If there is a politician that is corrupt, they always find a way also to escape. | ||
| So, the same with immigrants. | ||
| They always find a way to do something that is beneficial for them. | ||
| Not only in Spain, Gonzalo. | ||
| This is what we're seeing right across the West. | ||
| Okay, stay with us. | ||
| We'll be back with Gonzalo Martín in just 60 seconds. | ||
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| Okay, so Gonzalo, here's what I want to ask you. | ||
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| And I've got some statistics here about the present situation in Spain. | ||
| Some 64% of those arrested for crimes in the Basque region were foreigners, including 68% for sexual assault and robbery suspects. | ||
| And that's despite migrants making up 14% of the Basque population. | ||
| Whereas a recent report entitled Demography of Crime in Spain found that foreigners who make up 31% of Spain's prison population commit per capita 500% more rapes and 414% more murders than Spanish citizens. | ||
| Those are absolutely horrific statistics coming out there. | ||
| And yet the government is persisting with regularizing half a million invaders. | ||
| That will have the only consequence of sending out the signal to everyone in Africa who wants to come in, who hasn't thought about it, come in now because they're doing they're doing amnesties. | ||
| They've just done one, they'll do another one. | ||
| This will actually exacerbate the problem. | ||
| And it's not only a problem that confronts Spain, because once they have these residency permits, they'll then be able to travel right across the European Union. | ||
| Tell me something about the relationships you have with other European political parties in terms of the coordination and pressure that is being put on the Spanish government not to go through with this measure. | ||
| Well, we have members of the Alliance for Peace and Freedom with other political parties from other European parties like Forza Nova from Italy, the French nationalists in France, the High Matt in Germany. | ||
| Many, many people that do we are facing the same problems because this invasion is not only the invasion of Spain, it's the invasion of Europe. | ||
| Spain is the gate of the entrance of Europe. | ||
| Once they are in Spain, they can go to any other country. | ||
| For example, in Poland now, there are many Colombian people making problems. | ||
| And this is what we get with this, with the Spanish constitution, allowing all these people to settle in Spain. | ||
| And after a few years, they get the Spanish citizenship. | ||
| They can move all around. | ||
| So all the problems that we are facing in Spain, more or less, they are the same we are facing in the rest of Europe. | ||
| And of course, we need to coordinate. | ||
| And we organize protests. | ||
| We, when there were some of our members, there were deputies in the European Parliament, we were holding meetings in the European Parliament, protest in front of the European Parliament in Brussels. | ||
| Of course, this is not about Spain. | ||
| This is about Europe. | ||
| This is about the West. | ||
| We are about to fall. | ||
| We are about to fall in all this demographic invasion and we are being replaced. | ||
| And this is not anymore about any kind of conspiracy theory. | ||
| This is reality. | ||
| This is statistics. | ||
| And what you said about crime in Spain, you have to add that probably we have already six million immigrants with Spanish citizenship in Spain. | ||
| So adding to these people that this 40% of crime rate or rape or whatever, we have to add the rest of the immigrants that they have a Spanish passport and they escape from the statistics. | ||
| And in the statistics, they appear as being Spanish and they are not. | ||
| And the same is happening in France, for example, or in Germany. | ||
| Many of the people, many of these statistics, they are not real because we have already millions and millions of non-European with Spanish with European citizenship and then they disappear in the statistics. | ||
| We've got about two minutes left before the end of the show. | ||
| I want to ask you that when the Trump administration published its national security strategy just before Christmas, it made the statement in a beautiful document, an excellent document, one of the best things I've seen come out of the Trump administration. | ||
| But it makes the argument there that because of this immigration crisis in Europe, America's allies in Europe are less reliable because of that situation. | ||
| What difference in Spain to your socialist government, to Pedro Sanchez, how did they take, what response has there been in Spain to the national security strategy, specifically with regards to this point? | ||
| Well, in Spain, they are trying to disrespect Trump all the time. | ||
| They don't take him serious. | ||
| They think that Pedro Sanchez and Spain, we are a kind of superheroes going to all the international meetings defending human rights against the evil American Donald Trump. | ||
| And they don't take it serious. | ||
| They say that everything Trump is saying is crazy, that Trump wants to invade Greenland, et cetera, et cetera. | ||
| So what Trump is doing is, of course, the right-wing parties and people that they are not leftists, they take it in account and they take it seriously. | ||
| What Trump was saying is what many of us would think, that, of course, Europe is about to fall. | ||
| As they said, it's a totally substitution of the Europeans by aliens from third world countries. | ||
| The left and the government, the Spanish government, is not taking serious Donald Trump. | ||
| They really think that Pedro Santi is a kind of superhero that will stop Donald Trump in international affairs. | ||
| This is ridiculous. | ||
| Well, we'll definitely keep our eyes on that. | ||
| Gonzalo and Martin, thanks very much for coming back on the war room. | ||
| I hope people will go and follow you on social media, give you all the support they can. | ||
| Where can they keep up with you on X and on social media? | ||
| They can, yes, of course. | ||
| Democrate Nacional, we have our website, democratic nacional.es.org. | ||
| In Telegram, we are very active. | ||
| Also, our channel is one of the most followed in Spain. | ||
| So feel free to follow us. | ||
| We publish interesting news all the time. | ||
| And we also have a radio program online, Aquila Vo de Europa. | ||
| For whoever speaks Spanish, feel free to follow us. | ||
| Gonzalo and Martin, thanks very much indeed. | ||
| Folks, that's all we have time for. | ||