Episode 5100: No De Escalation In Minnesota; Arrest All Protestors Obstructing ICE
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Look, I mean, here's what's weird about it, Dam, is that he knows you have to work together, but it is a strange thing as an individual human being.
You know, he calls me the R-word.
He says, you know, he makes up things that I'm corrupt, like there's something seriously wrong with this guy.
And then you get a call that, you know, we got to work together.
That's what.
And look, I'm probably guilty of that too, because I call them things.
I just think I can probably back my comments up a little bit.
But I think, and this is where I am very hopeful, for the president to make that call to tell me he will look into giving us back the cases, you know, partnering with them and reducing the numbers.
I'm not going to say I'm grateful because you started this fire.
You don't get credit for putting it out after you started it.
But I am going to say, especially in these times, that they are working for a solution.
And again, I won't pretend to look into their hearts.
I think I know on this.
I just care that they end up in the same place where I want to end up is quit hassling our citizens, follow the Constitution, get these folks out of here and make the folks who shot Alex and Renee accountable for what they did.
Other cities to form groups they're calling Ice Watchers and that keep tabs on known and suspected DHS vehicles and then film and record encounters just as Alex Freddy was doing when he was killed by Border Patrol agents right here on Saturday.
Today I got the chance to ride along with Ice Watch volunteers on their patrol and learn about what they face when they encounter federal agents.
Now we're not going to show their faces to protect their identities.
Our drivers are two individuals who came out with us this afternoon they told us what they've seen over the past three months.
What have your interactions been like when you have been around ICE or CBP grabbing people or out?
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Yeah, it's pretty mixed.
It can often be a really volatile, high-tense, high-tension experience.
Look, when JD Vance said that government officials, that federal law enforcement have absolute immunity, a whole bunch of lawyers tissed him and said, oh, no, he misspoke.
No, no, no.
JD Vance was telling us the practical reality, which is that because they control the Department of Justice and because Pam Bondi will never open up a criminal investigation of any shooting or any action by anyone in favor with Donald Trump and his administration.
And in fact, they pardoned the January 6th folks.
They pardoned Donald Trump's friends.
There is de facto absolute immunity for at least as long as Donald Trump is in office at the federal level.
Now, there are things at the state level that Keith Ellison no doubt is exploring, that the city of Minneapolis is no doubt exploring, and good for them, good for what they're doing.
But we need to understand we are on our own.
The federal government is not going to protect us.
The federal government is not going to investigate wrongdoing against any protester, any peaceful advocate for democracy.
White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller wrote that administration officials are now evaluating why the CPB team in Minneapolis, quote, may not have been following protocol set for extra personnel sent to Minnesota for force protection.
I don't have any special insight on what that means.
You know, it is the, seems like at least a small backtracking, but, you know, it does not sound, I don't have anything smart to say about that, that's for sure.
Just go back to his, you know, high school student council speeches of the world and the high school he chose to live in.
The fact that we're getting a statement like that at 11 o'clock at night from Stephen Miller in the White House without knowing any background, what does that tell you about their resolve, the chaos of the moment, or the uprising with the American people?
how the president of the United States is taking is changing his tune or tone when they're investigating Alex Petty, who we watched be murdered essentially on loop this week since it happened.
That the mother with a dog in her back seat and stuffed animals out of her in her in her glove compartment, that she was the aggressor.
That the ICU nurse who was clearly trying to protect a woman who was being pepper sprayed and who was then thrown to the ground and was beaten, that he was the perpetrator.
And we've seen this playbook before.
It was a dark time in American history.
And for those people who thought that we had moved beyond that dark time and that the federal government would no longer do this kind of thing, in those instances of state government, now the federal government, we haven't moved that far beyond.
And yeah, there are court fights going on in all these places.
And I'm happy, I'm proud to say my law firm and I were in those cases side by side with those states in every 24 of those jurisdictions and that the Trump Department of Justice is 0 for 3.
But we know when they can't win in court, they're going to resort to violence.
And we need to know going forward that there will be some rules.
There needs to be an independent investigation, for goodness sakes.
There has to be an investigation.
If this happened on a police force, the officers, whether or not they committed anything wrong, would immediately be put on administrative leave and there would be an investigation.
But I don't know who trusts an investigation to be done by DHS when they're the ones calling this person an assassin, a would-be assassin, a domestic terrorist, saying he was assaulted the police.
How can they be in charge of an independent investigation?
You know, Minnesota's in the news a lot, but what they don't say is that Minnesota has low numbers because of the fact that we took thousands of hardened criminals out of Minnesota.
So they had good crime numbers, believe it or not.
And that's all working out.
You know, we have Tom Holman there now.
We put him in there.
He's great.
And they met with the governor, the mayor, everybody else, and we're going to de-escalate a little bit.
It's Wednesday, 28 January at year of the Lord, 2026.
Um, MAGA is not breaking over this.
Of course, everything's bending a little bit, but not going to break by a long shot.
We're anti-fragile and we're resilient.
Been through these before.
We'll get this sorted.
President Trump and just coming hot off the press because I think he's getting a belly full of it again.
I turned a true social, and I quote, this is from the president.
Surprisingly, Mayor Jacob Fry just stated that Minneapolis does not and will not enforce federal immigration laws.
End quote.
This is after having had a very good conversation with him.
Could somebody in his inner sanctum please explain that this statement is a very serious violation of the law and he is playing with fire, all cap.
All Waltz and Fry have done is smack talk and say, yeah, they're not going to, you know, no federal immigration laws in Minneapolis.
That's a sanctuary city.
Homan's out there.
We need to hold.
Very, it's quite simple.
In the fog of war, right, just look through it.
We have to hold the line.
There can be no de-escalation at all.
You don't need to bring down the temperature.
Raise the temperature.
Put them under pressure.
They're the ones that are cracking.
They're vital.
The whole nation sees it.
The polling's still there.
The Washington Post said today, oh, Trump did so good on the border and closing the border, but he bit off Morgan Chu.
He's the author of his own problem because he said he was going to deport everybody, and that's impossible.
It's not impossible.
It's going to happen.
The Democratic Party business model, the Red-Green Alliance business model is to flood the nation with illegal aliens and just say, oh, it's too hard to get them out.
It's too bad.
Let's have them vote.
Let's get them on welfare.
Let's do it all.
It's not going to happen.
That's why Lance the Boyle in Minneapolis.
Fry's a weakling.
Waltz is a clown.
We couldn't get better casting.
You have a weakling and you have a clown.
Remember Fry doing the BLM?
No compromise with these guys.
And Stephen Miller, let me be blunt.
You can't send 300 custom and border and ICE and not have a whole of government approach.
You have to have DOJ.
You have to have tiger teams and prosecutors.
I think they've had 12 prosecutors quit the Minneapolis office.
That's fine.
Nobody's forcing you to work.
But surge other prosecutors, the FBI, where are the pipe hitters?
Where's the Department of War?
Where's an entire full of government approach?
You can't put a handful of customers and borders and ICE agents there and let them be surrounded every night by domestic violent terrorists.
This is inflection point.
You blink now and you're going to blink forever.
You bend the knee now, you'll bend the knee forever.
If we stand in the breach and say, screw you, we're fighting for the country, right?
And I don't care how many people I got in the port.
I don't care.
If the families are there and they're there illegally and we want to keep them together, guess what?
You're going to have to round up some five-year-olds with their parents.
But they're going home.
And home ain't the United States.
I don't care how long they've been here on Biden's watch law above.
That's not the point.
They're here illegally.
We can't afford it.
African Americans, Hispanic American citizens, the white working class.
Their lives are being destroyed.
Their education systems, their health care, their jobs are being taken.
Their wages are being driven down.
They're American citizens.
And illegal alien invaders are not American citizens.
The president's going to make the right decision here.
He's been given terrible advice by the pollsters, the consultants, the summer soldier fake Republicans on Capitol Hill, the Mike Pence of the world who got us into this mess.
And they had him, you know, basically try to approach Walls and Frey for a negotiation.
And we talked about this yesterday.
There's nothing to negotiate.
And Frey and Walls made that abundantly clear.
They're trying to get Trump and Republicans to say the only people worth deporting are criminals.
And then also, by the way, we won't even help you do that.
So there's nothing to negotiate there.
The negotiation was the 2024 election when President Trump said, I'm going to carry out the biggest deportation operation in American history, bigger than Eisenhower.
And we've crunched numbers on that.
He's got a ways to go, but he can get there.
And he will get there if he stops listening to these feckless losers.
I'll tell you what General Eisenhower would have done.
He, in his own writings of his own Border Patrol, that I've published about, would encircle the area and go and mop it up.
No more onesies, twosies.
Like you've said, this needs to be whole of government.
You establish the perimeter and you march inwards.
Get guys like Eric Prince involved, people who know what they're doing and surge, surge, surge.
Do not de-escalate just because the left has escalated.
Look, our plan was based on hitting significant numbers by the midterms, knowing that hard things in politics generally have a limited lifespan.
Yes, it was submitted properly through all the channels of DHS.
It was ignored, sadly.
But we've kind of realized having been around government contracting and around government entities before, they can do some things really well, but they can't flex and bob and weave and it's hard for them to innovate.
And so we had a comprehensive plan that included a lot of open source available cell phone data to figure out who is likely the illegal.
Across that with government database search to get you really good targeting information with lots of apprehension teams, including motivating state and local law enforcement with a very considerable bounty program.
It's much cheaper to pay bounties to officers on duty or off duty to bring in more illegals than it is to even hire more full-time ACE agents, especially when these people know their communities, they know the neighborhoods, and they know who doesn't belong.
And then you get to the administrative process, the magistrate process, where we're going to use some basically large stadiums to do the administrative hearing since they're all entitled to some sort of legal process to do that at industrial scale to be able to hit the hundreds of thousands and or tens of millions per year that the president really needs to hit to make good on his on his campaign commitment.
Sadly, that has not been done.
There's one thing.
I mean, now that they, look, they've attracted all the attention in Minneapolis, probably not the place I would have chosen in terms of a hard target with extremely unfriendly local governments.
Other places just show big successes.
But the fact is, Treasury can do a lot more by making it impossible for any illegal that's here to be banking and to rent houses to them.
And you up the penalties or you up the, even if you, if you went to banks and said, you can either seize these bank accounts that you've identified as illegal or we're going to fine the hell out of you.
You'll even get bank compliance officers instead of the banks.
It was very simple for them to debank all of MAGA and all of J6.
You go to them and say, hey, real simple, here's the accounts.
You shut them down.
Exactly.
You shut them down or we're putting you out of business.
You're shutting you down.
Real quickly, because I'm going to hold you in hell.
You got two things.
You have the illegal alien invaders, right?
You got the criminals that's trial house and you're going to triage those, but it's just not the criminals.
And you got to get to the businesses.
But you've also got the insurrectionists.
Now, you do have a, you know, part of this is the credential class, right, that always wants to stick their mouth in everything, these Democratic Party activists, but that's, that's not the problem here.
The problem is hardcore black bloc, Antifa insurrectionist revolutionaries that are out there.
It's like Fallujah.
You know, they're the Chechens, they've all come in.
Don't you just go and round them all up, round them all up, take them to a high school gym, take the credential class, the beta males and all the mouthy Karens and send them home.
I would, this is a perfect opportunity to expose Cuban subversion that they've been organizing in America for decades.
You even see it in that big signal chat when some of those people are talking about escaping to Cuba.
There's a reason for that.
The Cuban Communist Party has been actively infiltrating and screwing up our society for decades.
It's time to pay them back, pull the string on those threads.
And you can certainly, you know, if they're going to try people for FARO violations in the last administration, there's a lot of ways to try them as foreign agents acting on behalf of a foreign communist government here in America.
We're going to be joining some other people where you get Eric's thoughts also about the gathering storm around Tehran.
Let me be blunt.
Tehran ain't the problem.
The group over there, and hey, maybe there's 5,000 dead, maybe there's 10,000 dead.
I have no earthy idea.
But remember, that's the same crowd or it's the children of the same crowd that threw us out 50 years ago.
They're Muslims.
They brought on Islamic, a Muslim Islamic Republic themselves.
It's their issue to deal with.
We should cut them off.
We should cut the mulas off of every, as we've had to bring them to their knees economically so they can't trade with the world.
You sanction them.
You also stop the oil, which we've done in Venezuela so perfectly.
You stop the oil from going outside the Straits of Hormuz to the North Arabian Sea, across the Indian Ocean, past Diego Garcia, to the Straits of Malacca, South China Sea, to China.
You cut them off of all cash.
But the focus in the National Security Council in the next couple of days should be on the revolution by these insurrectionists you have on the streets of Minneapolis.
Because guess what?
We have communists there.
We have Marxists there.
We have jihadists there that are trying to take down the American Republic from inside the American Republic.
So Mike Howell, the president has, being the president of all the people, he's had conversations with the governor, with Walls and the Mayor Fry.
He has sent Holman, a safe pair of hands, Tom Holman, who's hard as nails, Ford deployed him to Minneapolis.
I know they have other people.
I think the FBI has sent people, DOJ, Treasury, all of it.
So now they're taking a whole government approach on the ground with boots on the ground.
Bovino's out, has gone back to El Centro, but we'll deal with that later.
And Walls, after president's tried to not try to accommodate, try to maybe take the temperature down.
These guys do what they always do because they're Marxist.
They're the enemies of this country or they would not have allowed this to happen.
And President Trump's true social right there is saying, hey, I want to remind Fry, who just said publicly that they're not going to enforce immigration laws in the city of Minneapolis.
In other words, he's a sanctuary city and the president of the United States is going to go shove it, right, as the commander in chief and the chief magistrate and chief law enforcement officer, as Article 2 tells us of the Constitution.
President Trump says, you're playing with fire and you're breaking the law.
There we are right there.
Thank you, Denver.
Mike Howell, what is your recommendation?
If you got a couple of minutes in the oval today to have a cup of coffee with the president, what would be your recommendation to President Trump?
I'd say, Mr. President, give a national address where you're announcing that we are now shifting into phase two of your campaign promise to carry out the largest deportation operation in history, which you will meet and you have to and you're going to do it because your central feature is keeping your promises.
So let's help you keep that one.
You're going to acknowledge that two things kind of got us into these low numbers.
One is the DHS mass communications without mass deportations.
They've needlessly been doing Democrat propaganda for them without falling through on getting big numbers.
That comes to an end.
Issue number two is a lot of people said we're going to do the worst of the worst first.
Criminals, right?
Republicans took that and the pollsters of consultants of the Democrats to mean that's all you're allowed to do.
Well, you say that stage is over.
We got enough criminals.
We are opening the aperture of enforcement broadly to everybody.
We don't care if you're a criminal.
We care if you're here illegally.
We leave the criminals for other law enforcement entities.
And so you say, I'm going to be maniacally focused on the numbers, getting commas in the deportation numbers to get them into the millions, going off like a jackpot machine in Las Vegas.
And to accomplish that, this is going to be a whole of government exercise.
I'm going to creatively apply every lever the federal government has.
I'm going to charge every military-aged male illegal alien in the United States for failing to register for the draft and give them an option to go to prison for five years or take a flight home.
I'm going to bring in Eric Prince to do things like the bounty program for people to rat them out.
Or if the others don't, if they want to leave, we're going to get you paid to leave.
I'm going to send OSHA inspectors in to look at work site conditions that may employ illegals.
By the way, also corporate industry, your amnesty for not enforcing work site is over.
We're going in.
So tell them to get out before we get there.
Finally, politically, I understand that there was a jailbreak of rhinos, senators, and congressmen.
I'm not going to tolerate that.
Congressman Mike Lawler, your endorsement is revoked for pushing amnesty at this moment, trying to take advantage of this time and join with the Democrats.
And I'm going to go down the line and say, no, America first is what we promised.
Waltz and Fry are using the shits method to show interest, then stall.
And they figure if they placate him, tell him what he wants to hear, he's not going to hold him to it.
The other thing I would add to what Mike was saying, all his good points, is to go after the banking of anybody that's here illegally.
You can sick the compliance officers of all these banks.
Instead of them going after American citizens, they can actually debank and they can be incentivized to do so.
That the bank either pays an enormous fine for banking illegals or they seize those accounts, alert DHS, and the money, part of that money that's been here accumulated while working illegally can be repatriated to those people once they're back in the country after they pay an exit tax for leaving the United States.
These are the things, the whole of government things that the president must do if he's going to hit the kind of numbers that he campaigned on that we need to do to preserve our republic.
When they can't rent housing, vehicles, employment, when they can't bank, it's going to start drying up anywhere that they actually have sanctuary, whether the Dems like it or not.
There is a lot.
I mean, look, in the Middle East, they take immigration extremely seriously.
You have to show proof of residency for pretty much anything you do, whether you're renting a car, renting a house, an apartment, a dwelling, bank accounts, all of that.
I would second everything that you have said and everybody else has said, right?
This should be a whole of government approach.
You shouldn't be able to have a job, have a bank account, buy a car, et cetera.
The other thing I would throw into the mix is this: Ice Watch and the affiliated groups nationwide.
These groups exist to impede and obstruct federal officers in the enforcement of a law.
That is a conspiracy.
That is a felony.
That's punishable by up to 20 years in jail.
So there shouldn't be anybody free who is organizing teams, vectoring them in on ICE, teaching people how to de-arrest, as they call it, which is physically intervene in this process.
All of that is a federal that those are all federal crimes.
So everybody that thinks it's cool to set this up, organize it, train these people, they ought to all be in custody.
And this whole apparatus ought to be shut down.
When you were talking about us earlier just leaving these ICE guys to handle this one confrontation at a time on the street, that resonates with me.
Why are we doing that?
There are in Minneapolis at any one point in time, something like, this is by the left's own admission, four to 5,000 trained people on the street in an organized fashion confronting ICE.
Wait, why are we allowing that to exist?
Every person who's part of that apparatus ought to be in custody.
Eric Prince, this is my point about the high school gym.
Pick up from what Fattis is saying.
This is part of the problem.
It's not just the massive illegal aliens, but it's the mayor and the governor that won't send the police department that has the, they have the National Guard doing a cultural revolution humiliation exercise to put them in the sanitation department yellow vest and make them hand out coffee and donuts to the Ice Watch people.
That's done on purpose to humiliate them and to show the IceWatch people that you're senior here, you're superior.
Right there, they should have rolled up Waltz.
They should roll up, go in his office, kick down the door, and drag him out.
In the settling of the American West, the Pinkerton Detective Agency had six times the amount of armed personnel as the U.S. Army.
There is all kinds of precedents for deputization of Pinkertons or other people working with and on the behest of federal law enforcement.
Lots of options for innovative law enforcement solutions to amplify the numbers of competent, trained people they could put in the field to overmatch.
It's sad, any resort to firearms in these cases is because they're not overmatched.
So if you have three to 5,000 trained, crazy leftist activists, fine, bring 5,000 properly trained law enforcement, military veteran professionals, and kindly induce them to better behavior as deputized agents of the federal law enforcement.
Sam, if we did your program, if the president followed your lead and did that program, the whole government, how long do you think it would be before we break the back of the black box, the black block, Antifa professional insurrectionists that are the overwhelming majority of these IceWatch people, sir?
I mean, look, these guys operate on unencrypted open channels communicating.
Identifying the folks who are collecting the data, vectoring in these teams and doing all this stuff is not hard, right?
All you have to do is flip that switch.
It is no longer, you are no longer allowed to engage with impunity in a conspiracy to obstruct and impede federal law enforcement, which is black letter law, right?
There's no ambiguity here.
So you thought this was cool.
We now own, we seized your funds, we seized your computers, and you guys are all in jail.
And the comms are gone and the whole structure is gone.
Now, will that still leave some crazy people running around the street?
Yes, obviously.
But we'll transform this thing overnight from you, amen, having to pick these guys off individually.
Okay, the focus has to be on the streets of Minneapolis because we have an armed insurrection challenging the Trump administration and the entire American republic because this is a combination of Marxist jihadists.
They're fighting to keep illegal alien invaders, including the hardened criminals here in your country, because it's their business model.
They can't win elections unless they have illegal aliens voting, or at least on some sort of role that you don't check the IDs.
It's quite open what the scam is.
Jesse Kelly magnificently said, hey, the Democrat party's probably got 20% of the oligarchs.
You know, they get the wealthy, the credentialed class, and then this kind of proletariat underneath that they put on welfare, right, that has no shot.
So it's against the working class, Hispanics, blacks, white working class, and the middle class.
Eric Prince, but we're spending a lot of time and effort sending a carrier strike group to the North Arabian Sea.
As the audience knows, I was there for the first rodeo that didn't turn out particularly well.
A lot of changes since 1979 and 1980.
Sam Fattis knows he spent his career over there.
You spent so much time there.
We're pulling together an armada, although I think it's UAE, and I think he may be in the Saudis, definitely UAE saying, hey, look, you can't use our airspace.
We don't want any part of this right now.
Number one, why are we bringing all this hardware?
And number two, what is the strategic logic?
Because the people in, as we, as we screw, as we screw it down tighter economically, and we haven't gone all the way because we're still letting the oil get out and the CCP give the Moolah's cash because they are a partner with them.
And I realize there's maybe 5, 10, they're saying 30,000.
Every day the number goes up, right?
It's harder to get real numbers here than it is in Ukraine about the Ukraine military, how many they've lost.
But if you decapitate your problem, these people brought this revolution on themselves.
These people are Muslims.
These people have brought on an Islamic Republic.
I understand it didn't work out.
We told them that at the time it wasn't going to work out.
If you're going to put, if you're making this big flex of putting all these aircraft and weapon systems over Iran, the last time we did that, yes, apparently none were shot down.
If the enemy knows you're coming that much in advance, again, when the U.S. was bombing the Serbs, they even managed with a lucky shot to shoot down an F-117.
Became a huge POW and technology transfer problem.
Is it worth rolling that dice to bomb Iran again?
If there's a desire to support Iranian patriots to take back part of the country and to chew up the mullahs that way, fine.
Other people can do that.
It does not have to be the responsibility of the United States.
We've got some phenomenal new studies that have just come out showing the very high-end, let's say, CIA adjacent penetration firms that have not hacked for cannot access the unplugged phone.