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Jan. 20, 2026 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 5079: Tina Peters Assaulted And Charged With Felony; Controversial AI Policy

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Participants
Main
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joe allen
06:42
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peter ticktin
06:55
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steve bannon
r 19:35
Appearances
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allen orr
00:52
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david french
00:46
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elizabeth troutman mitchell
dailysignal 03:00
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eric bolling
00:59
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katy tur
msnow 01:18
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laura barron-lopez
msnow 01:34
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mike lindell
r 02:22
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robert kagan
atlantic 00:59
Clips
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jake tapper
cnn 00:10
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keir starmer
gbr 00:22
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Speaker Time Text
Greenland's Future Tariffs? 00:07:49
steve bannon
Fund managers for the Florida pension fund, which, as you know, is enormous.
And he said, hey, from now on, you're not going to just give your vote to Larry Fink.
We're going to vote that from the state of Florida.
That was a shocker.
Yeah, I think he's the first governor to step up and said, we're just not going to, we're not giving our proxy to Larry Fink.
unidentified
We're going to actually vote for the governor of Florida.
eric bolling
Don't forget, Jimmy Petronas was the chief financial officer of the state of Florida.
He's now a congressman, Petronas, but he was on board with DeSantis saying, BlackRock, they're evil.
Vanguard, BlackRock, and one or two in State Street, the three biggest companies that control trillions, not billions, trillions of Americans' pension money are totally invested in DEI, climate change, and other woke nonsense.
Man, I hope this thing, I hope we get 8 or 16 more years of either Marco or Vance or Pete Hegseth or Steve Bannon, whoever it is, a MAGA right America first person.
steve bannon
Whoa, whoa.
Dude, I got to follow you in the afternoon.
I can't be wasting time over 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Eric, one more time.
Where do people, I love the concept of the edge, and nobody's better to do it than you, that you thrive on adrenaline.
You're an adrenaline junkie.
You're a pressure junkie.
This show sounds amazing.
Where do people get it?
eric bolling
Just go to YouTube and type in Eric Bowling and the Edge, and it's off the charts, Steve.
We hit a nerve.
We hit a nerve or a vein, if you want to call it that.
And people are really responding to it.
I appreciate that shout out.
You are, you, sir, are a great person, a great representative of what the edge is.
steve bannon
I'm signing up today.
I want to watch it.
Eric Bowling, we love you.
Love following you.
Take care.
eric bolling
Love you too, brother.
See you again soon.
steve bannon
You know, we do have Pozo is in route.
The Secretary of Treasury is over there.
We're going to try to score an interview with Scott tomorrow.
I think it's too late now.
Pozo's in route.
I think our man, Brian Glenn, is there.
So a lot going on in a lot going on in Davos.
What I want to do now is bring the show.
We're going to do the cold open, bring the show in.
I think we're going to have Peter, Tina Peters lawyer.
There's been an event around an issue around Tina Peters I want to get to, but there's a lot going on.
Joe Allen's going to join me.
Here's what's to let's do the cold open, and then we'll have the open of the war room.
Let's hit it.
keir starmer
Alliances endure because they're built on respect and partnership, not pressure.
That is why I said the use of tariffs against allies is completely wrong.
It is not the right way to resolve differences within an alliance.
katy tur
Honestly, they must wake up every day and wonder if this is the reality that they're living in or if they just are living in the upside down or something right now, because none of this makes any sense.
Back here at home, it appears the insanity and frankly the danger of this moment might actually be getting to some of the people who could stop this president, Republicans on Capitol Hill.
robert kagan
I think Donald Trump's only doctrine is power.
I think he wants to dominate.
People talk about him as being transactional.
He's not transactional.
He wants every transaction to end with you admitting that he is more powerful than you and can do what he wants.
And the Greenland example is a perfect illustration of this.
He can have, the United States can do anything it wants to do in Greenland in terms of protecting it from Russia or China or any other potential threat with the full cooperation of long-standing and reliable allies like Denmark.
He doesn't want that.
He wants to take it.
He wants to commit an act of territorial aggression against an American ally.
So for him, I just think it's about he wants to be world emperor and be able to basically boss around every country that is willing to be bossed around.
Of course, he's not in the business of bossing around tough countries like Vladimir Putin's Russia or Xi Jinping's China.
katy tur
To ask if that is just an admission from the administration that their agents, their federal officers, can do whatever they want, can just do whatever they want.
When JD Vance said they have absolute immunity, is that them saying, get in our way and if we kill you, not our problem.
david french
Well, I mean, if you're looking at the totality, let's go back to a totality of other circumstances, including the January 6th pardons, including many other pardons from Trump.
This is, we're looking at a pattern.
And the pattern is if you are a Trump ally, if you're doing what Trump asks, then the law doesn't apply to you.
If you're a Trump enemy, a Trump opponent, or even if he just perceives you as an opponent, then he's going to wield the full power of the government against you in often in lawless ways.
This is a pattern from day one.
And I think it's a mistake to just look at this one shooting and try, just look at this one shooting in isolation.
We have to look at this in context.
And the context is very clear.
It's impunity for his allies and it is punishment for his opponents.
katy tur
Help me understand what exactly is going on in the White House and why the president thought it was a good idea or somehow justifiable to send a text message to Norway saying that because they hurt his feelings, he needs Denmark to give him Greenland.
laura barron-lopez
I think in some way, Katie, we shouldn't be surprised that this is the way the president communicated to another foreign leader, given the fact that the president has been very public about the fact that he wants Greenland.
He, his advisors, one of his top deputy chiefs of staff, Stephen Miller, have said over and over again that this is what they want, that the U.S., they have claimed that the U.S. has a right to claim Greenland, questioning Denmark's right and sovereignty and questioning Greenland sovereignty and saying essentially that if the U.S. military can take control of Greenland, then it should be the United States.
And that this is essentially what the president is prepared to do to make sure that it happens.
And so over the weekend, an escalation where the president posted on True Social that he was going to enact 10% tariffs on Denmark and seven other European countries.
These are allies of the United States, a 10% tariff on goods that they're sending to the U.S.
And then that would escalate to 25% come June if they do not agree and if they do not work with the U.S. on supposedly purchasing Greenland.
As you laid out, these countries are not interested in that at all.
I mean, Denmark and Norway and all the other European allies have made very clear that this is not something that is on the table and that it would be dangerous and that it could potentially break apart NATO.
katy tur
So what do you advise people, given the threats that they're facing now to protest, given that a woman was shot and killed, given that they're being pepper sprayed in the face, they're being physically taken from their cars, they're being injured in some cases detained unlawfully.
How do you advise people to practice this right?
As MLK put it, the greatness of America is the right to protest for right.
allen orr
Right.
I think that's an important conversation to have today.
And I think that there's going to be different levels for people to engage themselves.
Protest Rights 00:03:55
allen orr
And some people, like Dr. King, were willing to give their life for the ultimate struggles of the community, and which he did.
And so in some cases, you should not hamper the individuals from carrying out their forces.
And videotaping individuals from a distance is not a problem.
You can record them.
There is no law that says you cannot record them.
You should be a reasonable distance away.
And if they instruct you to move away, continue to report and move away in that instance.
But it's our right under the Constitution to protest.
And this sort of conversation around protesting not being American isn't consistent with the history of our country or consistent with the teachings of Dr. King.
His last book was on community of chaos and this chaos, this fear-driven community that we're doing in Minnesota and Minneapolis is exactly what will drive us to our end.
Rather than trying to neutralize, sending more officers to this place does not solve the problem.
It just exacerbates it.
unidentified
Is that your account?
I refuse to answer questions without my lawyer present.
So I really don't know how to answer that question either.
Like I said, you're not going to.
This is freedom of speech.
This is America, right?
And I agree with you 100%.
We're just trying to see if it's you, but if we're not talking to the right person, we want to go see you with the right person.
Okay, how can I help you?
So pretty much it's just a statement that was made as far as the you know remaining.
It says the guy who consistently calls for the death of all Palestinians, tried to shut down a theater for showing a movie that hurt his feelings and refuses to stand up for the LGBTQ community in any way, even leave the room when they vote and on related matters, wants you to know that you're all welcome.
Clownface, clown face, clownface.
Three days ago.
I'm not going to answer whether that's me or not.
allen orr
Okay.
unidentified
The concerning part and not concerning for the person who's posting it, well, we're just trying to prevent somebody else getting agitated or agreeing with the statement.
We're not saying it's true or not.
Understood.
That guy who consistently calls for the death of all Palestinians can probably incite somebody to do something radical.
That's all we're here to talk about.
And we wanted to get your side of it.
Was you that posted that?
To, I would think, to refrain from posting things like that because that could get something inside.
I appreciate your concern.
I appreciate you coming out here.
Okay, that's it.
That is it.
I'm going to maintain my amendment rights to not answer the question about what they're doing.
I hope that's understanding.
We appreciate it.
Thank you as well.
You as well.
Thank you.
Take care.
steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on this people.
Here's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big lie?
MAGA Media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
steve bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
Waru, here's your host, Stephen K. Bass Monday, 19 January, Year of Our Lord 2026, Martin Luther King Day.
Right there, you see in Miami, they're going door to door on your Facebook post.
Pretty scary.
I'll tell you what's scary is what's happening and really scary is what's happening in Colorado.
Jenna Griswold's Harsh Sentence 00:09:24
steve bannon
Peter Ticton, the lead lawyer for Tina Peters, joins us.
There's all types of reports coming out, tweets coming out.
Is Tina Peters been assaulted in prison?
And was she charged with a felony for getting assaulted, sir?
Can you clear it out?
Clear it up for us.
peter ticktin
Yeah, you know, normally I like to greet you with a nice smile, but it's kind of hard to smile right now.
Yeah, She basically went into a closet where it's like a water closet where she had to fill a container with some water.
And a 20-year-old inmate came in behind her and started to attack her from behind.
She pushed this person out of the way and was defending herself.
The part where she was defending herself was seen.
So they're basically charging her.
They put her in the hole for an undetermined amount of time.
You know, it's not like they're polite and kind and say, you have to be here for three days or one day or whatever.
So we don't know how long she's going to be there.
Last time they put her in there, they put her in for 15 days, supposedly for her own safety.
And then they returned her to a cell.
So there was no, you know, it kind of proved that it was just nonsense and they didn't need to put her in there.
But this is really alarming.
Okay, because what's going on there now, we've got the governor finally agreeing that the sentence that Tina Peters received was harsh.
It was, of course, it was harsh.
It was completely unreasonable.
And now we have three judges of the Court of Appeals looking like they very much agree with that issue, that the sentence is not even a legal sentence.
And so they, you know, they're on the verge of reversing some of these charges and reversing or some of the convictions and some of the charges and the sentencing.
At the same time, we've got Judge Polis finally saying that it's too harsh.
And then we've got the real criminals.
We've got Weiser and Griswold.
Jenna Griswold, who, and I say she's a criminal, they admit that they did what they did.
They admit that she was responsible for going into 20, I'm sorry, 62 counties and going into 62 counties and basically deleting the information, which is contrary to federal law.
She could get a year for each one of those.
So Jenna Griswold is truly a criminal.
And what she's doing is she's putting all of the emphasis on Tina Peters for basically saving the evidence.
And, you know, now, so we've got a little bit of a divergence between Jenna Griswold and Weiser, who are basically saying, keep her in prison.
The real criminals saying, keep the non-criminal in prison.
Well, Governor Polis is saying, hey, I'm the governor.
You want to make these decisions?
You run for governor.
Thank God.
steve bannon
Peter.
Meanwhile, Peter just hangs over a second.
unidentified
And somebody attacks her.
I don't have to.
Hang on.
steve bannon
We're going to get to take a short break.
Peter Ticton, the lead counsel for Tina Peters.
Tina Peters was attacked and then charged for the attack, put in the hole, the special housing unit, solitary confinement next in the war room.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, we're going to try to reboot Peter Ticton and see if we can get a clearer signal.
Long story short, Tina Peters was attacked.
They're accusing her of the attack.
They put her in what they call the hole or the special housing unit, the shoe, S-H-U- which is solitary confinement.
And we're going to get to the bottom of all this.
And as Peter laid out, Jenna Griswold, the Secretary of State, Weiser, I think the Attorney General, they're arguing she should serve to the end of her term.
Even Paulis is getting weak on there by commuting the sentence.
And you have an appellate court.
So, Peter Ticton and the legal team of Pat McSweeney and all of our work in this thing nonstop.
We have, Peter, just can you just give it to us one more time?
Tina was attacked when she tried to fight off the attack of this 20.
And they put her and they unprovoked, and they put Tina in the shoe in the solitary.
This is what I don't understand.
And have they charged Tina with the assault?
peter ticktin
That's my understanding, is they are charging her with a felony assault.
Yes.
So this is.
unidentified
Peter, what could be done?
steve bannon
You got a federal pardon from the president.
Is there anything?
I understand Polis is thinking about a commutation.
You got this panel that's reviewing it.
It's an illegal process, but is there anything the president's given you through you working with him a federal pardon?
Understand they got to argue that up to the courts or whether it applies here or not.
But when you have a 72-year-old gold star mother who has cancer, who's now attacked in this violent women's prison, they put her in solitary and they charge her with the assault.
Is there anything that people on the outside can do here, sir?
peter ticktin
Well, I think just being out in the public and showing, putting, shining a light on this is really important.
This is where the function of what you do really counts.
So, you know, I'm not sure where you heard what you heard and where I got cut off.
So let me just put it this way.
We know that Jenna Griswold is literally a criminal.
Okay.
There's no question about it.
She admits to what she's doing.
They're not even trying to hide the fact that they installed the trusted build and wiped out all the data out of all of the Dominion machines that were in 62 counties.
She's guilty of a criminal offense that's good for one year of imprisonment 62 times over.
She could be sentenced to 62 years for what she's done.
And don't ask me why the Department of Justice has not gone after her and not charged her yet.
But there's a divergence in order for her.
Okay, so, you know, it's her offense against Tina Peters is her best defense.
And so as long as she can keep, for some reason, she thinks in her head, don't ask me how, that as long as she keeps Tina Peters in prison, somehow she's safe and Mr. Weiser is safe.
But the fact of the matter is, is that the wrong people are in prison.
So she wants them to stay in.
She's been very vocal, vocal by she.
I mean, Janet Griswold is very vocal on the fact that Tina Peters needs to stay in prison.
The governor's saying, hey, look, if you want to be the governor, you know, run for governor.
Right now, I'm the governor.
I have to make these decisions.
And I think the sentence was too harsh.
So then all of a sudden, out of the blue, we have a 20-year-old that attacks her completely unprovoked.
I mean, Tina Peters was in this water closet filling up something with water, you know, minding her own business.
And all of a sudden, this woman comes behind her and starts attacking her.
And to defend herself, she turns around and basically deals with the situation.
And you're right, she's the one that gets charged.
So why?
Is that to interfere with the governor giving her clemency?
Is that the purpose of this?
Is this what we're seeing in real life playing out?
That somebody in that prison or is just a crazy person in prison that's just attacking her for no reason whatsoever.
One way or the other, They threw her in the hole with nothing to read, nothing to do, just really in the hole.
This is just amazing.
Yeah.
steve bannon
Solitaire is going to break you psychologically.
It's a tough thing.
peter ticktin
Well, there are people that think that they want to kill her in prison.
steve bannon
Peter, where do people go to find out more?
Where do they go to get more information and to support you and your efforts to free Tina Peters?
What's the website?
peter ticktin
It's tinapeters.us.
steve bannon
Okay, perfect.
Please.
Do you have social media?
Do you have Tina Peters US?
When everybody go there, do you have a individual Twitter account we can send people to?
Family Coalition Concerns 00:15:27
peter ticktin
Well, you can always go to at Peter Ticton.
And my office is at legalbrains.com.
So meanwhile, I think that this is really part of what's going on in America.
This is part of the whole cabal.
And it's unwinding for them, but they're still fighting hard and they still think that they're going to prevail.
And that really all boils down to what's happening.
The one pivotal issue that I keep saying is the one pivotal issue is whether or not we have paper ballots hand counted.
And one day, come November of this year, if the machines are in play, we lose everything.
There are 22 senators that are up for bids and 22 Republican senators that are up for election.
And if those machines are in play, we're going to lose the Senate.
We're going to lose the House.
We're going to lose our president.
We're going to lose our vice president.
steve bannon
I could not agree with you more, sir.
Thank you.
peter ticktin
Thank you, sir.
steve bannon
And we're not doing anything about it, basically.
Maine Justice, I have no idea what Maine Justice is doing, sending people around to hassle people about their Facebook page.
Certainly not, we're not seeing any effort on this whatsoever.
Strongly worded letters.
Today we had on the chairman of the Armed Services Committee, Brian Mass, Congressman from Florida.
Joe Allen joins us.
Joe, we're going to have the Daily Signal reporter here in a moment.
But you see from MAST, the most hotly contested issue kind of behind the scenes is now bubbling to the surface.
But the biggest issue people are fighting for behind the scenes is this issue of artificial intelligence, chips, who gets them, who doesn't.
Set the framework here before I bring in Elizabeth Mitchell from the Daily Signal.
joe allen
Well, Steve, you've got a really dissonant mood here in Washington, D.C.
I mean, as we'll soon hear from Elizabeth Mitchell, there are just so many different perspectives and approaches to this.
But the main division, I would say, is between the accelerationist camp who want to use artificial intelligence, they say, to improve people's lives, build the economy.
But you have all of these other, I think, far more sensible perspectives on what are the dangers, what are the downsides, what are we trading for this grand AI revolution?
So on the note of the chips, on the exports, the Overwatch Act, which is really among the most sensible bills to come up on this, the GAIN Act was good.
Restrict Act was good.
But the Overwatch Act simply calls for restrictions on any chips that are going out to adversaries.
They want congressional oversight, just like they do with any other military components on any AI-capable chips going to adversaries such as China.
As it's been pointed out, you had a craze right-wing influencer campaign in which people who never cared about chips or AI or exports suddenly gained an interest and in very similar language began to call this some sort of boon for China or some means of subverting the president's power to export.
If the audience wants to read that, it is an excellent piece put out by Model Republic in association with Midas Touch by Tyler Johnston.
A fantastic look at this synthetic influencer operation.
But the nuts and bolts, Steve, the nuts and bolts is just simply this.
If we are in some kind of existential race against China, as people like David Sachs have claimed, then we have absolutely no interest whatsoever, whether it's military or commercial uses.
We have no interest in sending chips to China.
The only people who would benefit, aside from the Chinese themselves, would be NVIDIA and also anyone pushing for AI acceleration against China.
It then justifies the acceleration.
It justifies the reckless development and rampant deployment of AIs that most people really don't want to begin with.
steve bannon
As we say about AI and maybe guardrails or whatever, the Sinequon Nan, the thing you have to do first is a complete shutdown of China and the entire ecosystem.
Of course, it's no sale whatsoever of any chips.
I don't want to hear that, oh, we want to get them addicted to our system.
That's just the bald-faced lie put out by NVIDIA.
And Jensen Wong is an influence peddler for the Chinese Communist Party.
It's obvious.
He keeps saying it doesn't matter who wins.
We'll all share it together.
That's a lie.
The CCP is in a take-no-prisoners game.
But I mean, they shouldn't have any students over here, not just 600,000.
We shouldn't have 350.
Send them all home.
They shouldn't get any H-1B visas, none.
How about this zero?
They shouldn't be at any weapons labs or national labs or Chinese national getting trained.
They should not be at any of the companies of David Sachs and Mark Andreessen, these guys in Silicon Valley, Sequoia Capital, who has financed the Chinese Communist Party military, the PLA military, with their venture capital for decades.
There should be no equity, no cash, no American pension funds, no debt, zero.
The entire ecosystem around the Chinese Communist Party and all technology should be stopped at zero.
This is the lie that, oh, if you do this thing and stop it, you're helping the Chinese.
You're shutting down the Chinese and we're not shutting them down enough.
This is purely in the interest, the economic self-interest of NVIDIA and other players that Andreessen and this crowd own.
Obvious.
Everything they do is in their own economic interest.
This is why they're trying to get the weapons labs and the national labs to report to them.
Free of charge, I might add.
Short commercial break.
Elizabeth Mitchell from The Daily Signal next.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, folks, welcome back.
Gold, as you know, and silver have been on a tear.
They're near all-time highs.
Gold right now, almost $4,700 an ounce.
Silver at close to $95 an ounce, I think $94,000, $28.
The geopolitical risk here in the look for a safe haven and central banks buying at record rates are not going to change.
President Trump's going to go over it.
I think Wednesday afternoon, he's going to give the post-war international rules-based order the old what-for.
So I would imagine we're going to have continued turbulence in markets as people look for safe havens and central banks look to hedge geopolitical risk.
What does that mean?
That's a lot of Wall Street gobbledygook for that.
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If we had told you gold is going to be close to 100, silver is going to be close to 100 bucks.
The price of two barrels of oil a while ago, you said, no, you're crazy.
Also, we're going to try to get Apollo Pappas does Tina Peter Show keeps Tina Peter Show going.
Very eloquent guy, knows Tina pretty well.
We're going to get the facts overnight, and we're trying to get Apollo to kick off the show tomorrow morning and get us more up to date.
I want to thank Peter Ticton for all the work he's doing.
This Tina Peters situation, you know, a bunch of people in the war room engine room have been texting me and coming to me and saying, hey, they don't want Tina to get out of there alive because of what she knows.
And I'm telling you, this thing about an attack and assault, and they're charging her with a felony or whatever.
We got to get to the bottom of all this.
Also, Joe did mention MITA session.
Remember, they're kind of a left-wing attack media site, but they do on occasions do some stuff.
This is what I'm saying.
You're going to have to look at both the left and the right on this situation to get to the bottom of it.
They've got a pretty good assessment, but I want to keep everybody's mind clear.
We've got to get to the bottom of this situation about chip exports and artificial intelligence.
And I say this again.
If you shut down the ecosystem, because it is an ecosystem that makes them competitive in artificial intelligence, the students at the universities, the H-1B visas, the training at the national labs, the trainings with the companies, the debt inequity, the pension fund money, and particularly the shipment of any chip of any quality.
If the rationale is, oh, well, we got to get them addicted to our chips because then they won't do it, then let them go build their own ecosystem and see how close they come to competition.
They won't.
They will fade like the morning dew.
Elizabeth Mitchell has written all about this at the Daily Signal.
It's really an incredible piece.
I want Grace and Mo, Elizabeth, and the team here to push it out.
Elizabeth, walk us through it.
You're talking about this battle behind the scenes and the most important fight going on in Washington, D.C., ma'am.
elizabeth troutman mitchell
It's great to see you, Steve.
So what we have here is, as you've said, some administration sources said, people close to the administration all agree that AI is one of the most controversial issues right now in the Trump administration.
So we have four coalitions that are competing here for the president's attention.
We have one, we have the tech accelerationists.
Those are big tech people.
We've been talking about Mark Andreessen of Andreessen Horowitz.
He has some influence in the administration.
People like Elon Musk, David Sachs, Yurim Krishnan, that's the big tech accelerationist crowd.
Then we have three other coalitions who are united against the tech accelerationists.
That's the populist coalition, the National Security Coalition, which is concerned about China, Populist Coalition is concerned about jobs, and then the Family Coalition, which is concerned about the suicides we're seeing, AI convincing kids online, concerned about the deep fake porn we're seeing being made by AI that's a danger to kids.
And so these coalitions are all trying to figure out where to go on AI policy.
It's a regularly, a relatively new issue where the right doesn't have a unified stance yet.
And there's a lot of different opinions about how we should push forward.
steve bannon
How does this get into?
Because behind the scenes, you did great reporting.
I love the way you broke it down to different coalitions because this thing's just kind of forming.
You have different people working with different groups.
When do you think this breaks through and becomes a story that everybody's focused on?
Because right below the surface, I tell people, it's by far the most vicious and probably important fight I've seen in Washington ever.
It's galvanized everybody.
And as you mentioned, the accelerationists, they happen to be some of the wealthiest people in the world.
They've got the biggest lobbyist firms, the biggest crisis communication, the biggest law firms.
And this is a take-no-prisoners fight.
When do you actually think, given your reporting, this breaks through and becomes more of a popular thing that you hear more people talk about, more influencers?
It's on more of the podcast.
Fox News is covering it because they've been essentially crickets.
When do you think that happens?
elizabeth troutman mitchell
Well, when I talked to Joe Allen about this, he said that currently AI doesn't have the capacity to replace a large number of jobs, but that very likely is in the future.
And it's something that we're not seeing a lot of preparation for or a lot of preparation for how to prevent that.
And so I think that as we inch closer and closer to more people being replaced by AI, more people are going to wake up and say, hey, I'm about to lose my job because of AI.
And I want the administration, I want Congress, the government to do something about this.
steve bannon
When he's talking about the coalitions, talk to me a minute about the family coalition, about the ones really concerned about the suicides, et cetera.
Because you've got the populace, obviously, we're always fighting against the tech oligarchs.
National Security Center, we had Maston this morning.
I thought he made a very coherent argument, although he's being painted as a CCP factotum for trying to shut it down.
But this family is a new one.
We've had some of the people on before that have had children that have died about this.
But is this a traditional?
Are you seeing the traditional pro-life groups coming into this?
Or what are you seeing right now in this kind of family coalition?
elizabeth troutman mitchell
Yeah, it's these traditional conservative groups, people like Michael Toscano over at the Institute for Family Studies, Daniel Cochrane at the Heritage Foundation, who have talked to these families who have had children take their own lives due to AI, convincing them to do so.
We have character AI being sued for this, other incidents of similar things happening.
And there's laws that have been taken up across the country, places like Texas and New York, that would limit dangerous AI and children situations from happening, making sure that AI can't make child porn, that AI can't convince kids to commit suicide, different restrictions like this.
And these restrictions have even in some cases been opposed by big tech.
Mark Andreessen has a million, multi-million dollar PAC Leading the Future, which is opposing state AI laws and supporting candidates that support no restrictions on AI.
And so it's a really big battle that's happening here to protect kids on the pro-family side.
And so I expect we can hear a lot more of that.
And I think that that is an argument that the whole country would be really sympathetic to, which is that our kids, we've seen how kids have been endangered and harmed by social media due to the rise of social media over the past several years.
And then now we're likely to see a very similar situation that's already begun with AI.
steve bannon
Wow, Elizabeth, where do folks, what's your social media and where do folks get you over Daily Signal?
I tell people, put Daily Signal on your daily media diet because you guys have Rob Blue and you guys over there have great stuff.
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steve bannon
Where do folks go to get you and your writing?
elizabeth troutman mitchell
Thanks.
You can follow me on X at the ElizMitchell and read my reporting at daily signal.org.
steve bannon
Thank you, man.
Appreciate your great article.
elizabeth troutman mitchell
Thank you so much.
steve bannon
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Joe Allen, Joe, I want to pull back for a second because I want to, because the Warren Posse has clearly been so important in this fight so far with the AI MSC bill.
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Really, America at the height of the, this was the Mercury program, became the Apollo program.
This was the beginning of the space race in America competing with the Russians to get in there.
It's in our blood to not just be competitive, but President Trump says this over and over again, and he posits this, that we have to be the leaders in this technology.
So I want to make sure people understand that we're not Luddites, but you have accelerationists and then you have other people saying, hey, my point about not falling behind the Chinese Chemist Party, because I agree, we cannot fall behind the Chinese Chemist Party.
But this whole situation right now, we have to think this through with clarity.
Why are the accelerationists the ones that are pushing at the same time to make sure the Chinese Chemist Party have an ecosystem?
Because this is not any one thing that makes you competitive.
This like it was not any one thing that did Mercury.
You have, as Lena Khan describes it, you have to have kind of an industry ecosystem with different pieces to it.
Training, knowledge, capital, debt and equity, chips, manufacturing, processes.
That's what exists here.
And so why are the accelerationists, which are the ones who want to put, you know, all gas, no break, why are they the ones that also at the same time are pushing us to essentially arm our enemy in this, which we agree is the most vital race of all, sir?
joe allen
Well, if you take them at their face, it's to just basically instill American norms even in China, in China's hardware, and lure them into becoming dependent.
Now, if that's the honest response from those promoting this, then I think that's just foolish on its face.
Clearly, if we feed them H200s or any chips, we're only increasing their capacity both for training and for inference.
The other motivations, and these are only speculative, but I think they're probably more realistic than what they're saying, would be that they want more money.
You have NVIDIA that would love to see the Chinese market be opened up to them to not only have their chips over there, but to rake in cash.
And then if you got a little bit more conspiratorial or at least imagining a strategy that's unspoken, it would simply be to continue this race and provide justification for the development and deployment here in America by pointing to China constantly as the competitor that we need to stay ahead of.
I mean, in reality, China is the closest competitor that we have.
But it's also known that right now they're struggling to train new models because of all of the compute they use for inference, meaning that they already are lacking in enough compute to really keep pace with America.
And when you look at their indigenous operation with Huawei being the lead, producing the Ascend chips, it is a tiny, tiny fraction of what NVIDIA produces and a tiny fraction of the chips used for compute.
NVIDIA chips are something like 60% worldwide.
Ascend chips are maybe 1 or 2%, some tiny fraction.
So to go back around to that question, why would they want to do it?
Well, if you take them at their word, it's a foolish quest to get China addicted to our hardware.
But I think that the speculation that it's for profit and for justification to acceleration, I would love to ask David Sachs in person that question if he would be willing to answer face to face.
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Stick around at 6 p.m. right off the second hour of the show is going to be wild.
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And of course, Raymond Ibrahim is in Budapest, but he's going to stay up and we're going to get to Raymond and lay out everything that's going on in Texas and how it's been done before.
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Joe Allen, you're traveling.
We're trying to get you out to see as many people as possible in the hinterland and make sure that people actually get up to speed on everything that's happening, not just in artificial intelligence, but in transhumanism.
You're going to be covering, though, while you're on the road, Davos, because there's a lot going on.
One of the things in Davos, the Davos man, Larry Fink and these guys, it's AI overhang.
It's the capacity or capabilities of AI that are not being used.
They're saying people only using 10%.
They're afraid that this may cause the bubble.
They're also afraid that people are just not going to get up to speed and fall in love with AI as quickly as possible.
Give me a minute or two on your thoughts of what's happening in Davos that you're keeping your eye on, sir.
joe allen
Well, it's no surprise to me that people like Fink or any of the boosters at Davos would like to see more and more adoption.
I mean, I suppose a billion plus people just simply isn't enough for them.
You know, the overhang, the idea that people are not utilizing the systems to their full capabilities, yeah, maybe, but I think that ultimately the real focus has to be on what happens when you suffuse an entire corporation or a school or any organization or a person's life with a non-human mind that they then become dependent on.
Much more concerning to me is how human capabilities are becoming atrophied.
Not that AI capabilities are not being exploited.
But there will be a great panel with Dennis Isabas and Dario on the day.
I think that the War Impossible have plenty to sink their teeth in there talking about life after AGI kind of sci-fi.
Jensen Wong, of course, will be there.
David Sachs, of course, will be there.
Alex Karp and the usual Mark Benioff.
And in one panel talking about the downsides of AI, Max Tegmark and Meredith Whitaker, the president of Signal.
There'll be all sorts of things there, but a whole lot of boosting.
You can be sure of that.
steve bannon
Remember, it was about two or three years ago we covered live when ChatGPT was really did its coming out party.
It had been announced right before the holidays, Christmas holidays, but or Thanksgiving holidays, I think.
It came out and I said, first off, the large language models on ChatG were far ahead of where anybody thought they were.
It was a shock, but it was capital.
I said the time, venture capital, hedge fund capital.
You're going to open the doors of this, and this is going to be everything because they're going to see the way to make massive amounts of money very quickly.
And that forecast has held true.
It's one of the reasons we're covering this every day.
So, Joe, you're going to be there.
We'll stream these things as we can get them.
We want your commentary, and I realize you're going to be traveling, but we'll have you on the show nonstop.
To do that, Joe, where do people follow you, sir?
joe allen
Social media at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z and my website, joebot.xyz, tomorrow, doing a closed-door press conference with the Florida Citizens Alliance on child protection bills coming in to the Florida House.
And then some things in February.
I can't announce quite yet.
The dates being hammered out.
One here in DC, but March 6th, Georgia Tech, and March 8th, First Baptist Church in Dallas, Texas.
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steve bannon
Wow.
Brother, Godspeed, and we'll check with you tomorrow.
Thank you, sir.
joe allen
Thanks, Steve.
steve bannon
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