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Episode 5073: Kennedy's Plan To Bankrupt Vaccine Manufacturers

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mary holland
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peter navarro
admin 08:39
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steve bannon
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dave brat
03:55
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mike lindell
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jake tapper
cnn 00:10
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steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.
Here's how I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big line?
MAGA media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
steve bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
Okay, welcome.
Friday, 16 January, Eurover Learn 2026, Dave Bratch Riding Shotgun.
We pulled Dr. Peter Navarro out of a meeting at the White House.
A couple of things.
Dr. Navarro, just help us walk through this.
President Trump put a very cryptic true social outlate last night about, and it seems like he had just been briefed by you guys.
He says the numbers are unbelievable.
What does he mean by that?
Walk me through the basics of the economy because our thesis here at the war room is that you can start to see with your plan of the convergence of the big beautiful bill with the major tax benefits for building plant and equipment, coupled with you and Jameson Greer and Scott Bessett working under President Trump's architecture to redo the commercial relationships in the world and to use tariffs and trade to drive investment back here in the United States or have guys pay a tolling fee.
You can start to see it working.
We just want to know what President Trump meant by that, sir.
peter navarro
All right, Steve, let's go back to first principles.
If we look at the rate of GDP growth, which is everything about making us prosperous, it's four drivers, consumption, investment, government spending, and what they call net exports, which is the difference between how much we sell to the world and how much we import.
Okay.
So if you look at consumption, let's start with that.
What we have coming in 2026 is the biggest IRS refund in history.
And we also have these tax breaks, no tax on tips, no tax on Social Security, no tax on overtime.
So consumption is going to be a pillar of prosperity in 2026.
So check that box.
The second growth driver, investment.
Let's look at what's happening there.
First of all, we got the IRS expensing in the big beautiful bill, 100% expensing, Steve, on new manufacturing capacity.
And that's sparking a massive boom.
It's working in conjunction with the tariffs, Steve.
The tariffs are bringing in foreign investment.
As President Trump has said, if you build it here, you don't get tariff.
So we are literally looking at trillions upon trillions of dollars of new investment that drives the GDP growth directly, but it also increases productivity.
Why do we care as MAGA?
Because productivity is the key to an increase in real wages and the quality of life of blue-collar working Americans.
Now, third, you got the government spending.
That's going down, but that's a good thing.
One of the rules of economics is that a dollar in the government sector is much less efficient than if it goes into the private sector.
Oh, and by the way, falling government expenditures mean a reduced budget deficit, lower interest rates and mortgage rates.
So that's going to ignite things like the housing sector.
So consumption investment, government spending hitting all cylinders.
The last one, Steve, is the net exports.
Whenever we reduce our trade deficit, that shows up as an increase in our GDP growth rate.
That's exactly what the Trump tariff policy is doing.
We just had in the latest number, Steve, the lowest trade deficit since 2009.
So if you add all that up, Steve, it's a set of policies and throw on top of that good things like oil going from $75 a barrel to $50 a barrel.
You can't imagine any other thing happening in 2026 than robust growth, rising real wages as we had in the first term, and prosperity.
So looking forward, that's what we see.
And it's all good, brothers.
steve bannon
Yeah.
Okay, now, and President, I've said this from the beginning when people were tweeting out after the November debacle of the traditional Republicans in New Jersey and Virginia.
They said, oh, it's got to be affordability in 2026.
They said, whoa, It's going to be growth, jobs, and wages.
This is the bet that President Trump has made.
It's pretty evident what he's done here about getting growth back, real wages back up.
It's the same plan, except hyperscaled from the first term, Peter, because he had Liberation Day.
That's the new element that we didn't get to in the first term.
I do want to say remember this.
peter navarro
We can walk in shoe gum at the same time.
We can pursue all of these growth policies.
At the time, we're fighting a war on Biden's legacy inflation.
And what we're doing, Steve, in the trenches is taking a micro approach to the macro problem of inflation.
Remember, Steve, that inflation is nothing but a basket of prices for housing, for energy, for transportation, for healthcare, and all of that.
And so what we are doing with all due speed is to tackle every one of those elements, sector by sector, industry by industry, product by product, fish by fish.
And so you're seeing all of these.
steve bannon
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
This is going to get to my point.
I don't have it in front of me, but if my crack team here in Grace can pull my Getter account, I put it up last night.
There was an article that talked about Johnson and these guys losing these votes, et cetera.
And there was a quote from a senior Republican House member that says, Trump has got to stop sending up this populist crap.
They use a more blunt term than that, this populist crap up to the hill.
President Trump's focus, this leads me into the, it's going to lead me into the grid and AI, but President Trump's focus, your policy initiatives that are coming, and we're going to have Bobby Kennedy, we're going to have Mary Holland on at the bottom of the arrow talking about Bobby.
The Washington Post has got Ezekiel manual, the worst, talking about Bobby Kennedy bankrupting big pharma, right?
President Trump's populist economic policies generated by you guys, all these great ideas.
They said it right now in Capitol Hill.
The senior guy, I don't know if it's Scalise or Emmer, but it was, hey, it had to be one of the top guys, said, Trump has got to stop sending us up this populist crap.
So how are you going to do this, Dr. Navarre?
unidentified
Oh, man.
peter navarro
Well, there's a fundamental Disconnect between the business model of both parties on Capitol Hill, which is to raise money from big pharma, from big food, from big this, from big that, versus populism, which is designed to help basically America's own Lao Baijiang, America's working families and middle class.
And so I don't know what that rhetoric is all about.
I do know that we have a very slender majority in the House, and that certainly they're not acting now to put something up on the board that they can run on.
I think they're running, some of these guys are running scared.
But look, I mean, the data is going to be the data.
It's what, January now.
We got until September to turn all of this around.
And we're doing that, Steve.
It's all there.
And what I'm trying to do, talking to members on the Hill and showing them my videos and things like that, is like, here's your talking points.
It's like, here's what the boss is doing on this, you know, on beef prices, on egg prices, on mortgage rates, on housing prices.
And that's the kind of stuff you should be talking about.
unidentified
Yeah, you're having a great impact.
You're having a great impact.
steve bannon
The quote is: they got to stop sending this populist cap up to the up here.
unidentified
Okay, hang on, hang on.
steve bannon
But let's, I want to, I want to see this manifest.
The president also put out his true social so good late at night.
He also put out a bombshell on the grid and electricity.
He's going to do special auctions.
Walk me through this.
There's this whole thing on the grid.
And he says, I'm doing this because I'm not going to have the people underwrite the massive expense of what we need for electricity to drive these data centers.
What did he mean by that, Dr. Var?
What are you guys cooking up over there?
peter navarro
Well, I don't want to get too far ahead of him because I never do that.
But the central problem here, which we're going to solve, is that AI is expanding so fast that we simply don't have enough capacity to service it going forward.
So there's two issues.
One is price.
AI is driving up the price of electricity.
But number two, the grid is also facing potential reliability issues going forward.
And so it's pretty simple.
You make them pay, Steve, and you make them ensure that whatever they put in in terms of power, that it won't hurt the grid at all.
So that's the principle.
unidentified
It's pretty simple.
peter navarro
Do no harm.
AI, first, do no harm to our grid or our ratepayers.
And so there's another element here.
And this one, you've talked about it.
We've talked about it.
It's like, why are Americans paying for AI in India?
Chat GPT operating on U.S. soil using American electricity, servicing large users of chat GPT, for example, in India and China and elsewhere around the world.
So that's another issue that's got to be dealt with.
And don't forget, Steve, there's water issues as well, and there's farmland issues as well.
They're paying like they're coming in, you know, the metas of this world and others, they're coming in and paying like a 10X on farmland.
And if we're going to fight food inflation, we've got to wrap our heads around that.
steve bannon
We're on it.
I don't want to cause an international.
I know you guys are.
You guys, people should know they're working nonstop late at night over at the White House and the EOB every night.
President Trump's got a whole array of policies.
This is why I'm feeling very confident, actually, about the midterm election.
The Democrats are going to get more radical.
You're going to see the more radical things I see in Minnesota because the economic issue is going to be taken away from them.
Last thing, Dr. Navarro, and I don't want to cause an international incident here, but did you have any chance?
And maybe you don't have flexibility to comment, but did you see Kearney, his trip to Beijing, to Kowtau to the Chinese Communist Party?
Any response to what Carney's been saying over the last 24 hours?
The last 24 hours, sir.
peter navarro
Indeed, I did.
I was tempted to put something up on X and Getter to the effect of, was he looking for a discount on fentanyl or something when he was over there?
So, yeah, I don't know what their strategy is.
If they think, if Canada thinks they can use China as a bargaining chip, that's not going to, that doesn't end well.
And look, I love the Canadian people.
I just, I don't think, I don't think their leadership has really reflected the silent majority, if I may, in Canada.
unidentified
It's too Ontario-centric.
peter navarro
You know, it's like it's a great country and out in Edmonton.
unidentified
They just scratch their heads.
steve bannon
No, if you look at the allies who had shoulder to shoulder in World War I, World War II, the Canadians, some of the toughest and best.
The Canadian people are the best.
You've got an elite up.
You've got a globalist elite up there.
It's more dangerous than the global elite here in this country.
They're dangerous.
And you tell President Trump, once again, has 100% been right.
People say, why is he picking on Canada?
He wasn't picking on Canada.
He's going after these globalist elites.
And Carney just showed you President Trump, once again, 100% key wrecked.
Dr. Navarro, where they go get your videos, where they get everything you're putting up every day, all your content.
peter navarro
The central piece is peternavaro.com.
PeterNavarro.com.
It'll get you to my ex and getter and true social and Instagram feeds.
I'm telling you, Steve, these 60-second videos are priceless.
They're really good to watch to kind of understand exactly what we're doing and why.
You had one out yesterday.
There was a nice piece on soybeans using basically taking soybeans and turning them into biofuels.
Like it's a home run for the American people.
So it's cool stuff, Steven.
You keep doing what you're doing, Admiral.
And let's see what happens here as a Boston.
steve bannon
You keep doing what you're doing.
You and Besson, Jamison Greer, amazing.
Trifecta.
Dr. Navarro, thank you.
Short commercial break.
Dave Bratt is going to give us his observations on the economic numbers.
unidentified
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peter navarro
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unidentified
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peter navarro
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unidentified
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unidentified
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peter navarro
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steve bannon
So a couple other things are happening.
Number one, President Trump talking about, and we're going to have the outcome of that because so much pressing news today of the forum he had, the roundtable, they call it, about rural health.
Very, very, very important.
But he did mention something that we've said on here is that, and I think it's because of the Powell situation in the investigation.
And Powell and Powell throwing down so hard, I said, hey, Powell's not leaving now.
It looks like Kevin Hassett is out of the running, at least for now, for Fed Share.
President Trump says, hey, I want to keep him in NEC because of good job.
He's doing now.
Part of that, I'm sure, is the team they've got at Navarro and Jameson Greer and Hassett and Besant.
They're putting up these numbers are quite powerful.
And I think maybe the president's saying, hey, do I want to shake up this team when we've started this turnaround?
And I want to see it through the end.
Brad's going to jump in here in a second.
Also, they're reporting that the Hedim Assad, and they've been pretty adamant about leaking this.
The Hedim Assad is heading to Miami to meet with Steve Witkoff.
Now, Brother Witkoff, who I think is a really good guy.
And look, he's a long-term buddy of Trump.
He knows Trump better than anybody, or one of the guys knows Trump for 20, 30, 40 years.
He's done this voluntarily.
Now, is he perfect?
No, he's not perfect.
unidentified
He's not done this diplomatic stuff.
steve bannon
But he's essentially, I think, depending on how they set up this peace committee, you should think him equivalent of like a Roman governor tribune.
He's the man, I think, in this Gaza deal, in this Gaza situation.
He's taking over the big burden of it.
Obviously, Jared's got a huge hand at the architecture of it, but I think the day-to-day is Witkoff.
And I think that's why the Mossad guy is heading over there to talk to him.
He's also Witkoff is also the lead negotiator with the Iranians.
Now, I saw where Witcoff leaked about concessions they would make on the nuclear program.
You know, if the Iranians made concessions on the nuclear program of ballistic missiles, we would pull back from the sanctions.
Why do that?
Don't do that.
They're not going to be around long enough.
Their deal's not going to make any difference because they're going to be gone.
Keep tighten the screws on them because that's something you can do as economic warfare.
And it's all related to the commercial relationships of the United States.
President Trump just put a 25% tariff on anybody who trade with them.
That's no troops, no bombs.
The Persian people get the full benefit of the Islamic Republic that they brought on.
Remember this?
They threw the United States out.
They threw the Shah out.
Not that he was any beauty.
Threw them all out.
They wanted it.
They loved it.
They're rubbing up on it and hugging it.
Hey, you brought it on.
You deal with it.
Your problem, your issue.
It's your country.
You deal with it.
Want to make Iran great again?
Want to make Persia?
Really, it's the Persians versus this Islamic Republic.
Make the Persians great again.
Persia's got a pretty good track record of hammering out stuff over, I don't know, 5,000 years, one of the most ancient civilizations we have.
Persian people, very, very proud.
The community in Los Angeles, huge community in Los Angeles, don't get better people than that.
They all left basically when the Shah fell and thereafter.
Good people, tough people, smart people, love their country.
Take it back, baby.
But don't ease up.
Don't ease up on the sanctions.
That's what's brought them to their knees.
We're not going to bomb.
No need to bomb.
Israel first crowded better to be focused right now on this Gaza situation.
What you have wrought.
Because I didn't, in that press release, that thing where the president put out, I didn't see Israel except as a place where they're going to take Hamas weapons.
No active involvement.
I'd like to see who from Israel is on the Peace Council.
Also, I keep saying your problem is not in downtown Tehran.
Your problem is in downtown Manhattan.
How's that?
Or in Plano, Texas.
Dave Bratt, your thoughts on the economy right now, Hasset looks like the president's not going to break the team.
He's not going to break the band up.
Besson, this is one of the reasons he didn't want Besson going to the Fed.
He wanted Besson to stay in Treasury because, hey, we're kind of on a roll.
I want to stick there.
Now Hassan, same thing.
He's got Navarro.
He's got Jameson Greer.
He's got a pretty damn good team.
They mentioned productivity and all your four things that you mentioned.
Are you buying what Navarro's selling, sir?
dave brat
Yeah, yeah, of course.
And, you know, I just want to start off on the grand level here.
They used to call Greenspan the Maestro, right?
The Maestro of the Symphony.
And that's great, the genius.
And he ran us in the ditch.
All these geniuses and the traditional Republicans who are saying, don't send me up any more of this America First stuff, they're very misguided.
It turns out the maestro is President Trump.
He's the one that's playing a multiple symphony, right?
He's making Greenspan look like the Schroeder guy on the Peanuts cartoon, right?
Just plucking away.
He's doing everything we've been talking about here.
The E-Verify, the immigration fight.
Who do you think he's doing that for?
He's doing that for the American worker, right?
We got to get this in our head when it comes to hemispheric dominance.
Why is he doing that?
And a lot of the grassroots, everybody's skeptical out online of some of this stuff, but he's still no war.
He's being very strategic on that.
But the economy itself, he's doing what we've said for four years.
The number one driver of economic growth is capital.
And he's bringing $10 to $20 trillion of capital in.
Productivity is up at like 5% right now.
I never would have forecast that in a million years.
And so, you know, my long-run trend line has it going from 7% way back to 2% in CBO forecasts.
So Trump's at 5%.
He's crushing that number.
And the tariff piece, where's the news media on all this?
Oh, it's going to cause inflation.
There's no economic evidence of that happening whatsoever.
In fact, the opposite is happening.
We're using the tariffs as strategic leverage for our trading partners.
And, you know, this Denmark, Greenland, all this kind of thing, you know, these guys are not learning the lessons yet on the basic economics.
They're not doing anything for NATO.
We've been paying the bill to protect all of Europe and whatever, and they're not contributing there.
So Trump's got the full arsenal of economics working across the board.
The border invasion, the warfront, the hemispheric dominance, the economics proper itself.
The only thing I want to see these guys in the White House pay attention to, and it's not the sexy topic, but it's one-third of economic growth, and that's human capital in the inner cities.
The poor kids in Chicago, third grade literacy rates are 12%.
We got to do something.
If you're going to be populist, that is the issue.
We need to put some czar on improving the lives of those kids.
And man, you put them, there's your labor force when all these business guys say, oh, we can't find any workers.
Well, no wonder because you're not investing in your own kids and your own people.
steve bannon
But hang on.
But hang on.
This is why we need more.
This is why we need more action.
I got your labor force because they've been twisted by these progressive teachers.
I got them up in Minnesota yesterday.
It's the Red Guard, dude.
unidentified
They're running through.
steve bannon
You don't think if Mike Lindell walked down there as Governor Lindell, they wouldn't tear him shredding piece to pieces.
It's the Red Guard.
Yep.
Look, these Marxist jihadists are not dumb people.
They're smart and they're cunning.
And they're coming to take down the bastion of freedom and prosperity in world history in the 250th anniversary of our separating from the Statement that said we were going to be independent.
We talked big.
We were very brave.
We gave a declaration.
It was essentially a declaration of war on 4 July of 1776 because the war had already been going for about a year.
There's a declaration that we're all in.
We're going to be independent.
Then you had a war for what, seven or eight years, which, what's the lesson of the war, folks?
unidentified
What's the war room posse?
steve bannon
What's the lesson of the Revolutionary War?
If you don't quit, you win.
Did not our revolutionary generation show us exactly everything we need to do to be victorious?
Victory begets victory.
And if you don't quit, you win.
They had every opportunity to quit.
They had every opportunity to throw in the towel.
They had all kinds of peace proposals from England.
We can put this back together.
We can do this.
They wouldn't do it.
If we don't quit, we win.
This is why it's so important up in Minnesota.
And you see what they're doing.
They're twisting the very youth of this nation, the very youth of this nation, particularly the youth of this nation that is Hispanic and African American.
They're doing it to the white students.
Don't get me wrong.
But they're importing people all over the place, mass importation of illegal aliens to crush them economically and make them more dependent, to take away their opportunities.
This is quite well thought through.
And that's why, Dave Bratt, we need the Insurrection Act because it's time to quit playing with President Trump's greatest thing.
Hey, no more games.
Maduro found that out in Venezuela.
No more games.
You finally hit President Trump's tripwire.
Let's hopefully say, you know, people around him right now, you know, this Bratt, you've been in the system.
They're putting that polling in front of.
They're putting that GOP donor polling in front of him.
Oh, guess what?
47% don't like the optics here are bad.
You know, Tom Holman's bad.
Christy Noom is bad, right?
Stephen Miller is bad.
That's the exact opposite.
Press your bet now.
Because when you explain to it, and look, you've got to get to the employees.
Brett, we got a minute before we go.
It's your minute.
You take it before we go to break.
What do you got?
dave brat
No, that's absolutely right.
If you're going to win, win.
And on this immigration fight, we need to draw lines in the sand when people are attacking our law enforcement officers.
The left is saying, I can't believe these guys.
They think they have the authority to, you know, ask you questions and tell you what to do.
Yes, they're authorized federal police officers, officers of the law.
Either we're a country of the law or we're not.
They need to stay out in force.
And anyone spitting at them, throwing bottles at them, throwing bottle rockets at them, harassing, they need to be locked up immediately.
They're putting up with way too much stuff.
There's no way.
Once you turn that visual around, the American people will applaud the president, all the ICE folks you just mentioned.
Homan, what an all-star.
All-star cast.
steve bannon
Amen.
All-star cast.
Short commercial break.
We're going to return.
Mary Holland's going to join us about Bobby Kennedy and Big Pharma.
Bobby, mean old Bobby's putting them in bankruptcy.
unidentified
Short break.
War room.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
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Well, we've been warning about because of people like Carney.
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Did Trump call this or not?
Everybody that was mocking Trump, he warned you about this.
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He's a contributor here for years.
You know him very well, doing a hell of a job as treasure.
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Ari Emmanuel and Rama Manu, the three Emmanuel brothers, this is the ones the doctor has got his big mouth running all the time about healthcare and they're going to do this and they're going to do this.
He's got an opinion piece in the Washington Post that posits that big old Bobby Kennedy, bad Bobby Kennedy, is going to bankrupt big pharma.
This is a psychological warfare victory in and of itself, man.
Mary Holland, what in the hell is going on?
What have you and Bobby done to rattle these guys so badly?
mary holland
So, you know, I think the title should be Who's Afraid of Bobby Kennedy, Steve?
Pharma is really coming out in force.
CNN, all the mainstream, you know, the American Academy of Pediatrics, they're suing Bobby over the reduction in the childhood schedule.
This op-ed that Zeke Emmanuel and this other fellow, Friedrichs, did yesterday in the Washington Post is very revealing.
What they're really worried about is that Bobby Kennedy is undermining the liability protection for the pharmaceutical manufacturers.
And there is truth in that.
So what do I mean by that?
Last week, or January 5th, Bobby Kennedy, HHS reduced the vaccine, routinely recommended vaccines to children from 17 vaccines to 11.
They took away a regular recommendation for COVID shots.
They'd already done that, but also the flu, also the hepatitis B, also the hepatitis A, also the rotavirus, also the respiratory system virus.
These are all vaccines that are very questionable in and of themselves.
This could reduce, this is going to reduce vaccination of children potentially by 25, 30%.
So blue states had already been rumbling about this.
They said they came out after that announcement.
They said, we're not going to follow you, Bobby Kennedy.
We're not going to follow your centers for disease control.
We're going to set up our own kind of entities and we're going to follow the American Academy of Pediatrics, which is frankly a front organization for the pharmaceutical industry.
So they're saying, we're not going to follow you.
And then the question becomes, what is going to be covered in this vaccine injury compensation program?
And what's going to be covered is what is routinely recommended for routine administration.
So there's now a gap.
And these states and these doctors are saying, it's interesting.
Rochelle Wolensky two days ago said in the Journal of American Medical Association, doctors, nothing to worry about.
Vaccine injury is so rare, you know, and it's hard to prove causation.
So just go ahead and give these vaccines just like normal.
Here, Zeke Emmanuel, who, as you point out, was very prominent in the Obama administration, big medical voice.
He's saying, oh, no, no, no, you should be concerned about liability.
Bobby Kennedy is trying to destroy it.
We all know that vaccines don't cause autism.
We all know that it's only children's health defense and Bobby Kennedy who make those poor parents of autistic children think that it was caused by vaccines.
That one just really blew me away.
And he tries to paint the injury compensation program as a program that works.
It is awful, Steve.
It is awful.
It tries people up for 10 years.
It dismisses almost all cases.
Almost no cases can be eligible because people don't even know it exists.
It's really fascinating how pharma is up in arms, that Bobby Kennedy would have the temerity to suggest that vaccines should be treated like every other drug.
They should have real clinical trials.
They should actually be subject to liability protection and that people could actually sue in civil court.
They don't want it.
They know that they're at risk.
And they're trying to pretend that Bobby Kennedy is crazy.
It's kind of, I have to tell you, it's kind of entertaining to watch.
steve bannon
Well, no, people said that this was going to happen.
They're reacting exactly like they've always reacted.
And the reason that they're freaking out is that MSNBC is gone.
It's sham, what is it?
MS now sham wow, right?
And you can tell the production quality is gone.
The audience is collapsing.
All the serious news people stayed at NBC.
So they don't really have, and CNN doesn't reach anybody.
They're in panic mode.
They've lost the narrative.
For the first time, big pharma has been, the mask has been ripped off because of the great work that you and your team and other people did during the pandemic to rip the mask off and to show the American people and particularly the American moms exactly what's going on here, right?
Because they're the people who get things done.
And now they got a problem.
They didn't send Ezekiel Manuel to the Langley Bugle to write this piece and to send a flare up to all the guys on Capitol Hill and the administration.
That's a flare, is it not?
mary holland
Oh, absolutely.
So, and I think you pinpointed this, Steve.
This wouldn't have happened five years ago.
This is the result of the outrageous COVID policies where people were coerced to take an experimental technology in the form of a vaccine that was never a vaccine.
They were told to mask when there's no science behind that.
They were told to distance where there's no science behind it.
People have every reason to be skeptical and they are as they should be.
And pharma doesn't frankly know what to do except for ad hominem attacks, which is what they always do.
So they're attacking Bobby Kennedy.
They're attacking children's health defense.
And, you know, good luck with President Trump.
I think President Trump came out really strongly about autism, you know, kids and the vaccines.
Babies shouldn't be getting hepatitis B.
We got to really, we've got to do something about autism.
And then he came out with a memo, presidential memorandum on December 5th, saying, Bobby Kennedy, go look at alternative peer countries.
Go see what the rest of the world is doing.
unidentified
And he came back and he said, yeah, they don't vaccinate as much.
steve bannon
Yeah.
For Ezekiel Emmanuel to put up a flare for Capitol Hill and for the guys in the Broad administration, they've already worked Trump behind the scenes.
And Trump is going, hey, I got the guy's back.
It's going to be, it's going to, he's going to do what he's going to do.
That's why they're in panic mode.
Trump is, remember that time in the Roosevelt room.
unidentified
Trump is ahead of Bobby on this.
mary holland
He was ahead of Bobby.
unidentified
That's why they're freaked out.
mary holland
They're freaked out.
No, you're exactly right.
I think, you know, and like I said, you know, Trump came out with this presidential memorandum.
Bobby Kennedy is just responding to the request from the president.
Like the president on this stuff absolutely has Kennedy's back.
And so, you know, they're suing.
You know that AAP, the Public Health Association, the Infectious Disease Society.
They're all suing Bobby Kennedy for his changes with ACIP, for reducing the schedule, for cutting off their funding.
That case is going forward.
Now, that we've got to get some popcorn out for, Steve.
That's going to be February 13th in Federal District Court up in Boston.
And you know what?
I am so excited that these organizations that are basically medical trade associations are suing Kennedy because ultimately they're going to have to show their cards.
Okay, show us why you're so authoritative.
Show us where the science is.
And they've got nothing.
They've been bluffing for decades.
steve bannon
Discovery.
mary holland
Yeah.
So I'm excited.
Come to children's healthdefense.org.
You got this had to reach a crisis.
It's reaching that crisis.
And it's actually very exciting.
steve bannon
Okay.
I talked about like the instruction.
I talked about all the stuff earlier and about if you don't, if you if we don't quit, we win.
Okay.
Now talk about the revolutionary war in the eight years.
Let's just take a more modern example.
Let's go back to the beginning of the pandemic.
Remember every night on MSNBC and Fauci was a little god and you had that guy from Bayerlin.
Every night it was just safe and effective, safe and effective, safe and effective.
And you and this audience and the worm, this is the first reason we, the first reason we were banned by all the platforms was Fauci and the vaccines of what they were doing, right?
Then on top of it was the 2020 election, which they stole.
That's why they banned us everywhere.
We're still banned on almost every platform.
Remember, we had our backs to we had you too, but all of us had our backs to the wall.
We weren't organized.
And it looked like, hey, this is the way it's going to be: medical tyranny, because they can control your body and they can control what you put in it.
It's game over.
This is actually the authoritarian deep state.
And we kicked their freaking ass.
You know why?
We took some shots, right?
But we're resilient.
We're anti-fragile, just like the freaking revolutionary generation was anti-fragile.
That's the basis of this country.
Now we're on top.
And Ezekiel Emmanuel's in the Washington Post today saying, sending up a flare.
Hey, Kennedy's going to bankrupt us because big pharma is corrupt from top to bottom and should be bankrupt, ma'am.
mary holland
Well, you know, they should be subject to the same, you know, civil court as anybody else.
They should be, they, they should not have a playing field that is totally tilted towards pharma.
And, you know, the irony, this article is it's all about the money.
It's all about the economics.
There's nothing here about children's health.
It's all about like there's a total gaslighting.
There's no acknowledgement that children have been getting sicker and sicker and sicker.
Half of our kids have some kind of chronic health condition.
There's no acknowledgement of that at all.
unidentified
It's just like, oh, we've got to save the vaccines.
mary holland
And it's like, tone deaf, total cash cow.
steve bannon
Cash cow.
It's the golden calf.
It's a cash cow.
Ma'am, where do people go get you?
Where do they find you?
mary holland
Please come to children'shealthdefense.org on X. We're at Children's HD.
I'm at Mary Holland NYC.
steve bannon
Thank you, ma'am.
Appreciate you.
mary holland
Thank you.
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I want to play Mike Lindell's with us.
I got to replay.
Let's play from what we saw, the new red guard that the radical progressives in the Minnesota and Minneapolis school system have turned these kids into a new red guard.
go and play it
you ever you ever heard the cultural revolution As bad as the French Revolution, the Cultural Revolution in the 1960s, that's what they did.
They turn these young, they turn high school and college kids against their elders, against their families, against their parents, against their aunt and uncle.
Don't take it from me.
Ask Lao Baijing, ask any Chinese American you know, ask anybody.
It's so bad the communists today will not let it be talked about because of what they did to the youth of China.
That's what's happened here in the United States.
You saw it yesterday.
Mike Lindell.
You were looking to be the next governor of Minnesota 17 years ago today.
I think even at this time, you were a degenerate gambler and a cocaine, a crack cocaine addict.
What happened on this day 17 years ago that set you on the path to actually be the leading Republican in this massive primary in Minnesota to be the next governor, sir?
mike lindell
Yeah, Steve, it is a very, it's an amazing anniversary date for me.
God set me free of all my addictions that day and then never looked back.
It was a miracle.
It was a miracle in my life.
And, you know, I'm a born-again, I'm saved Christian, born-again Christian.
And, but it's also that's the American dream on steroids.
And you see all these kids in Minnesota now, the schools that they let these kids out out of school to use as human shields against these paid protesters that have come into Minnesota.
Our school system, Steve, in Minnesota, since Waltz has been in there, we used to be in the top three.
Now we're 39th in the nation because they've taught these kids to hate our president, to hate our country, to hate, you know, basically hate everything about our country and the American dream.
And this has to change.
The president's got to come in right now and take control of this insurrection.
We need it in Minneapolis.
This is going to keep magnifying as Waltz and Fry, the mayor of Minneapolis and our media here keep promoting this and promoting this.
It has to stop, Steve.
It's going to get, you're going to end up with the summer of 2020 when all my friends, back when I quit my addictions and everything, I brought so many people out of that helping people with the downtown teen challenge.
And a lot of people had rebuilt their lives, rebuilt their businesses, and they all got burned to the ground in 2020.
This is going to be worse if we don't stop it now.
So I've got to call out, you know, I'm going to pray that the president, he did a truth a little bit ago.
And I don't think we can't wait on this.
Right now, Steve, at noon today Central Time, a group is put out to encourage all the other schools in Minnesota, the rural schools and these other schools that were closed, for them to come out and start and start protesting and rioting.
See, you know, we need to make protester laws and say, there's nothing wrong with protesting, but you don't commit crimes when you protest.
You don't block streets.
You don't block sidewalks.
Steve, this goes back to when Waltz let them a few years ago, about eight years ago, they let Black Lives Matter block off our biggest highway in Minnesota.
People couldn't get to my work.
They couldn't get to my pillow.
They couldn't, we couldn't get supplies.
And then they just, this just magnified from that.
It's disgusting.
unidentified
We need new, these guys need to be, these leaders need to be put in prison.
steve bannon
Yeah.
For our podcast audience, I just, I want to read this quickly in your comment.
We only got like a minute.
This is from the president of the United States, and I quote, in Minnesota, the troublemakers, agitators, and insurrectionists are in many cases highly paid professionals.
The governor and the mayor don't know what to do.
They have totally lost control and are currently being rendered useless.
If and when I am forced, let me repeat that.
If and when I am forced to act, it will be solved quickly and effectively.
President Donald John Trump, your thoughts there, Mike Lindell.
mike lindell
Start right now, Mr. President.
There is no, I don't see how this ends without him stepping in.
Because, like I just said, now they're promoting other.
These people are brainwashed.
These kids have been brainwashed.
Our media here in Minnesota has brainwashed everybody.
unidentified
The star and should be horrible news.
steve bannon
We had Kevin Pesobic on last night.
He says, Antifa's got a call out.
They're pouring in this weekend, even at zero-degree temperature.
And Tifa's pouring in.
They got the high school kids today.
Mike, we got to bounce.
I want everybody now to focus on going to your site that you're running for governor and see what you're doing.
mike lindell
Mike Lindalegov.
steve bannon
Where they go.
mike lindell
It's MikeLindaleGov.com.
You guys, I need your help.
We've got to change.
We've got to do something.
I will be a great governor.
MikeLindaleGov.com.
Help out now.
And let's save Minnesota.
steve bannon
17 years ago today, a crack cocaine addict and degenerate gambler changed his life because God came into his life.
And what an arc to a story.
Mike Lindell, you're a great man.
Appreciate you.
Dave Bratt.
mike lindell
Thank you.
steve bannon
Where do people go to get Dave Bratt, sir?
dave brat
Yep, just a Brat Economics on Getter and X.
The whole history of our country, Trump Providential, 250 years on, 1776.
Keep fighting, folks.
It's all started in Christianity.
We got to get it back.
It's coming.
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If we don't quit, we win.
dave brat
Right.
steve bannon
There's going to be a confrontation in Minnesota.
Let's have the Insurrection Act, Mr. President.
Let's get it done.
The Charlie Kirk show is next.
Poso after that.
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