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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. | ||
| Here's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big line? | ||
| MAGA Media. | ||
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
| Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | ||
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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| You're in the war room at... | ||
| It's Friday, January 2nd in the year of our Lord. | ||
| I'm going to say it for the first time, 2026. | ||
| It's Natalie Winters hosting today. | ||
| We've got a packed show for you from everything that's going down in Iran to the latest with Jack Smith to the latest in Minnesota. | ||
| I've got some exclusive investigations linking it all to Act Blue in the Democrat political machine, which I think when you carry that scandal, although I like to call it a racket, because that's what it is, out to its logical conclusion, of course, that's what you're going to find. | ||
| And I'm sure you probably share my feelings. | ||
| I thought we would be, I don't know, flooding that state and frankly all the other states that that kind of racket is happening in. | ||
| Frankly, probably with the National Guard, but I would have at least taken federal law enforcement authorities to get some criminal charges of the people, not just who carried out the fraud, but those who allowed it and turned a blind eye. | ||
| But I guess instead of that, we're discussing about yet again, maybe potentially sending troops to Iran because human rights abuses or something like that. | ||
| Kurt Mills, I wanted to bring you on to unpack what is one of the issues that the second anytime I see it in the news is like always surrounded by the same words, right? | ||
| It's human rights, it's troops getting involved, and then it's MAGA getting upset, and then us being accused of, you know, not understanding what MAGA is about. | ||
| It's always a nice deluge of misinformation. | ||
| I want you to walk us through the signal, not the noise with everything that's going on over there. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, hard to know where to start. | ||
| I guess the president had a fire starting on this morning around 3:40 a.m. Eastern Time. | ||
| You know, he's known to keep very early hours on occasion. | ||
| And it was one of those ex-posts that was sign off with, thank you for your attention to this matter. | ||
| And these are the kinds of posts, and look, I don't want to speculate, but I guess I just do it, that seemingly seemed to be talking points written for him, messages uttered out under his account. | ||
| I don't doubt that he wrote it himself in some way. | ||
| There was a typo, you know, shooting, shot, shotting, but it appears that he was delivering talking points. | ||
| And it's not exactly speculation. | ||
| Benjamin Netanyahu spent the entire New Year's in Florida with senior administration officials, including the Defense Secretary with the War Secretary, Pete Hegseth. | ||
| And it seems as if they want to begin, quote, round two on Iran. | ||
| That what we saw this June was merely the opening act, and there's a push to do this again. | ||
| And they've created really just at warp speed over the holiday season, a new causes belly. | ||
| Recall that the official reason why we bombed Iran in June was for the nuclear program. | ||
| Of course, the president takes great pride in having allegedly eliminated the nuclear program. | ||
| I think different intelligence assessments cast disparagements or questions on that assessment. | ||
| And so the new line is that we need to eliminate basically the ballistic missile arsenal of the Iranians. | ||
| As you can tell, effectively all of the criterion will be exhausted by the Israelis, by the Israeli lobby, by Prime Minister Netanyahu in particular, for the U.S. to keep going back to war here. | ||
| And I think finally, it's very important to conclude. | ||
| A lot of the people make the point, including leading members of the administration, that this is not Bush-style neoconservatism, that this is a changed Republican Party. | ||
| But with all due respect, the president, actually singling out intervention on humanitarian grounds on the shooting of protesters, which again, not excusable, but also not my country, is actually Bush-style neoconservatism. | ||
| It is 2005 Bush second inaugural stuff. | ||
| It's straight out of the Dick Cheney Hall Wufua's playbook, and it's just really disappointing to see. | ||
| You know, we never like to be right here in the war room because our understanding of how the world works, I think, is quite concerning. | ||
| But it's sort of like a moment of vindication where because that crowd, whether you want to call them neocons or whatever, didn't get what they wanted, you know, back with the strikes. | ||
| It's like now they're just straight up calling for regime change right there. | ||
| They're using the protest. | ||
| The logic chain that they used to say, oh, we have to go after this program. | ||
| But then all of a sudden, you know, a few weeks later, Israel's like, actually, no, we've just been going for regime change the whole time. | ||
| So just sort of walk us through like the escalation of this and why you think the timing is now, what you think a potential timeline on this could look like actually playing out. | ||
| Is the Trump administration going to get involved? | ||
| That seems like kind of a flimsy metric to rest, you know, potentially starting the kinetic aspect of World War III on. | ||
| But what do I know? | ||
| I think you know quite a bit. | ||
| I think it's extremely flimsy. | ||
| I think you were right to highlight the sort of first piece, which is that the idea that this is not a regime change war, well, I mean, with all due respect, I actually asked the president who has explicitly flirted with regime change language. | ||
| He used the term, you know, MIGA over June, the summer, make Iran great again. | ||
| I think it was a sort of a major gaff because a lot of people criticize this element of MAGA as actually making Israel, quote, great again. | ||
| And so the idea that the president or elements within the president's myths are not actually flirting with regime change. | ||
| They're not actually flirting with doing Israel's foreign policy for it, I think is a laughable contention, due respect to some of my friends who actually think that. | ||
| I just think that it's not borne out by the facts. | ||
| And I'd actually urge those who think that, what level of coordination with the Israelis, what level of menacing the Iranian government on behalf of the Israelis would you accept? | ||
| What would be too much for you to reject this sort of line of thinking? | ||
| And as to the sort of last question you had there, what's going to happen here? | ||
| I think it's, you know, I think after this started around sunrise today, Eastern time, it's been remarkably quiet. | ||
| That being said, most of these bombs that went out off in June kind of went around sunrise or dawn Tehran time, which would be in a few hours from this taping effectively. | ||
| But we've seen sort of a two-fold messaging from the Iranian state itself. | ||
| Number one, it's hardliners, it's conservatives, so to speak, those who want to conserve the regime, that is, have been pretty, I'd say, downright ultra-violent in their rhetoric since the post. | ||
| They said that they would target American soldiers in the region. | ||
| And this is something that effectively, as we are approaching today, actually as the sixth anniversary of the strike on Qasem Salamani, and we are approaching this seven-month anniversary of the 12-day war, this is something that Iran basically has hesitated to do. | ||
| You recall the retaliations in January of 2020 and the retaliations in June of 2025. | ||
| This did not kill American soldiers. | ||
| They tipped off the U.S. American soldiers were injured. | ||
| None were killed in the January 2020 retaliation. | ||
| You have the signal from the Iranian hardliners publicly. | ||
| We know they thought this behind the scenes, but publicly today, that they would begin targeting American soldiers if the U.S. intervened. | ||
| I wonder if that rhetoric actually has chilled the administration off this. | ||
| I hope it does because, you know, contra a lot of countries in the Middle East, Iran is very much a fearsome military. | ||
| And, you know, it's not that the U.S. couldn't defeat them. | ||
| It's just the question of why is this a use of resources and what is the plan for after? | ||
| And in the meantime, if Israel tries to go into this war by itself and without the U.S., which it may try to do as a means of basically trying to get the U.S. to come in, the sort of tail-wagging the dog analogy, the Iranians have been able to respond to Israel. | ||
| It's an open question of whether or not the 12-day war was actually ended on Israel's behalf because the Israelis are running out of missile interceptors. | ||
| I have another question as you were talking. | ||
| You know, it wasn't that long ago that I think I had you on to talk about the new national security strategy. | ||
| We've heard all this talk about focusing on the Western Hemisphere. | ||
| Obviously, we've seen that manifest in everything related to Venezuela. | ||
| But I have a twofold question. | ||
| One, I mean, how do you even begin to square even the prospect of getting involved with regime change in Iran with that document? | ||
| But also, why is there, and I'm not saying that it's a double standard that I agree with or disagree with, but why is there such a double standard where, I mean, frankly, I think what China is doing off the coast of Taiwan is a heck of a lot more aggressive and frankly more applicable and dangerous to the United States, whether from a Taiwan versus Iran perspective or just the military exercises. | ||
| But there's sort of silence about that. | ||
| I don't really see a lot coming from the Trump administration, certainly even from a human rights angle, right? | ||
| Even saying the same thing. | ||
| Why is Iran getting so much attention when it seems like whether it's based off of doctrine or just actual geopolitical relation to the United States, it just seems so far down the list? | ||
| You know, at a certain point, it's only so generative to anchor on this, but to answer your question very succinctly, the answer is foreign lobbies. | ||
| There's not a major Taiwanese lobby in the United States agitating for the U.S. to have the hard line there. | ||
| There's not a major Chinese diaspora in the United States that's extremely anti-CCP in the way that there is a hardline Persian diaspora in the United States and a hardline Israeli diaspora in the United States that wants to do regime change in Iran. | ||
| That is at least the background or the foundation of why this is so loud. | ||
| And I would say the same thing, frankly, unfortunately, for Ukraine. | ||
| There is a Ukrainian diaspora. | ||
| There's an Eastern European diaspora that is extremely anti-Russian and is overrepresented in American foreign policy thinking, not to excuse everything the Russians are doing, but the baseline of our prioritization shouldn't be foreign lobbies. | ||
| I think this is deeply unhealthy and basically ahistorical in the history of the American Republic. | ||
| I mean, it's not like people who were coming over in the 19th century, basically German immigrants were obsessively trying to control foreign policy and what was then the Kaiser Reich or Italians trying to overthrow the Italian government in the 1920s. | ||
| This is pretty astonishing stuff, and I think it needs to be limited if we're going to have a responsible foreign policy that puts Americans first. | ||
| Well, I hope the Minnesota National Guard doesn't end up in Somalia by that logic. | ||
| Somali things related, right? | ||
| I mean, I mean, look, not to minimize it, but I mean, Israel is actually involved in the Somali thing. | ||
| I mean, Israel has taken a side in the Somali Civil War. | ||
| They recognize Somaliland. | ||
| And again, not to excuse that any of the fraud that is doubtless going on in some of these inner cities, but the reason why Somalia is so in the mainstream of sort of American media right now is that I think, frankly, the Israeli lobby wants to push it. | ||
| And it wants to radicalize people on this issue to distract from the larger macro issue of the Israel lobby in the United States driving foreign policy on this discrete issue. | ||
| And when I say discrete, it's this specific issue, Iran. | ||
| But I think if they get what they want on Iran, they're going to widen it. | ||
| They're going to widen it to Turkey. | ||
| They might even widen it to Saudi, the way that you hear people talking about the region these days. | ||
| And it will never really stop. | ||
| And I think the idea that this is separate from the process that went on in the global war on terror, the process that Donald Trump won the presidency rejecting in 2016 and again in 2024, the idea that this is separate, I think is pretty laughable. | ||
| Benjamin Netanyahu, who's had a long career, he's been the most important Israeli politician since the death of the founding generation and Israel. | ||
| And his greater project has been remaking the Middle East with American force of arms. | ||
| Kurt Mills, I really appreciate you coming on. | ||
| The way you break all this stuff down and link it together really, really is important. | ||
| Before we have you back on, if people want to follow you, stay up to date with everything, your writing and editing, where can they go to do that? | ||
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| And we're trying to prevent a repeat of history again here in the 2020s. | ||
| And the website is www.theamericanconservative.com. | ||
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| Thank you, sir. | ||
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| We are waiting for Julie Kelly. | ||
| I think we're going to have her in the next block. | ||
| We're going to go through all things. | ||
| Jack Smith, we have some clips we're going to play. | ||
| She's going to walk us through it. | ||
| It's going to be great. | ||
| But until then, I want to talk a little bit about the fraud, the racket that is going on, not just in Minnesota and, frankly, every state. | ||
| But I think we've really seen just an explosion. | ||
| Great work by Nick Shirley exposing what's going on there. | ||
| But I think with the cleanest and clearest point to link it to what we were talking about in the last segment, is that the United States, especially the Trump administration, does not need to be supporting regime change abroad when the United States is effectively dealing with their own regime change from within. | ||
| And you guys know here in the war when we focused on so many aspects of the Democrat Party uniparty-led color revolution, and we could, of course, talk about that. | ||
| But I think one of the natural outcomes or outgrowths of that is the importing of a bunch of backwards third world countries that have literally nothing in common with the United States for precisely that point through, of course, the NGO industrial complex, the Democrat Party, not a lot of space between those two entities, but pumping them into the heartland of the United States, some of the best towns, | ||
| best communities of people where they have nothing in common with a bunch of Somalians, considering that I think dozens of them since 2007 have joined terrorist groups in the Middle East, all Shabaab, to be specific. | ||
| But it wasn't that long ago, right, that we were all celebrating the new national security strategy because it was talking about focusing on America, focusing on securing our borders, focusing on the Western Hemisphere. | ||
| And I understand that that rhetoric is very important, but I think when you see a split in priorities where we're surging more resources potentially to Iran than Minnesota or these states are actually auditing the books, I mean, I don't really think you can make that make sense with that doctrine that was put out not too long ago. | ||
| And frankly, I'd extend it all the way. | ||
| If we really want to focus on regime change, which I hope the midterms don't shape up to look like regime change here, but let's focus on Islamic extremists. | ||
| I think today, especially of all days, we should probably be looking to New York and everything that's going down there with Mamdani, not drawing arbitrary human rights violation lines in the sand with which we're going to stake the prospect of World War III on. | ||
| Maybe we're crazy, but I think that that's what putting America first means. | ||
| And, you know, importing hordes of foreigners from countries, though I guess that's maybe too nice a term, it's they're failed states into this country where they're stealing more than what the GDP of the places they're leaving are. | ||
| I mean, I think it's government propaganda that we could only accuse the Iranian regime of what the American government has engaged in and trying to deceive the American people that immigration is a net good, that diversity is our strength, and that it's our burden and responsibility to take in communities like a bunch of Somalians in the tiniest and most patriotic of Minnesotan towns. | ||
| You know, I know Vivek and all of our tech bro bettors have a very interesting concept of what it means to be American and that they think you can just step over the border or pay some odd million dollars and get a you know EB5 visa or a gold card or green card and all of a sudden you're an American or if you study hard enough, I guess maybe that makes you not American as I was instructed by Vivek. | ||
| But then if everyone can just be an American, then maybe these Somalis could just be Americans in Somalia and then turn their country into America. | ||
| Except it doesn't work like that because not everybody can actually just be American. | ||
| It's not something that you can just switch on in yourself. | ||
| And frankly, the more we see examples like what happened in Somalia, the more I'm convinced that these people actually just conflate and connote being American with robbing American taxpayers of their hard-earned dollars. | ||
| And they just try to get creative with what grifty program they can create, whether it's the weird whole autism money laundering operation in Minnesota, where they were setting up fake autism centers to get millions of dollars from the government, or the fake, you know, leering and learning centers. | ||
| I'm sure you guys have all seen those pictures by now. | ||
| But I want to focus on what is, I think, the most illustrative example of what happened in that state. | ||
| And that is when Minnesota was dealing with a problem of dozens of Minnesotans, I think we can view that through the Kilmar Garcia lens and take that for what it is, which is Somalians, were leaving Minnesota to join all Shabaab and become Islamic extremists, terrorists, take your pick of adjective. | ||
| Instead of just stopping the flow of people coming from a culture where if the country's net worth is like negative, I'm not sure what these people could be bringing to the economy of Minnesota. | ||
| But that aside, instead of deporting these people or saying, hey, maybe we should put a halt on importing more of these, you know, soon-to-be terrorist foreigners, welcoming them into our communities, paying them to come here, they launched a federal government pilot program whereby they were giving hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars to various community organizations across Minnesota to combat terrorism. | ||
| It was called the Countering Violent Extremism Pilot Program. | ||
| That's how sick our elites are. | ||
| They will import people from countries where they have to create programs to combat terrorism and then lie to you that you are a bigoted, xenophobic racist if you won't accept them. | ||
| And then they'll actually take it a step further and say, no, you have to say that they're a net good for your community. | ||
| $85,000 to the Somali American Parent Association working on youth identity program. | ||
| My personal favorite, sending money to the UMA project, where they work on mediators and restorative justice facilitators using curriculum shaped by Islamic teachings. | ||
| That's what your tax dollars are going to support. | ||
| There's a whole list of these that I could read, but unfortunately the show is only an hour. | ||
| But one of my personal favorites is $100,000 to the Confederation of the Somali Community in Minnesota, because apparently that exists and it's tax exempt. | ||
| And one of these groups actually partnered with a group we're going to spotlight today by the name of Isarun, which, if you're not familiar with what that means, it's because it's a Somali word. | ||
| So here at America, I don't know about you, I don't speak Somali, despite their best efforts to get us to. | ||
| But this is a group that, believe it or not, was actually specially allocated, not through the typical appropriation process, but its own bill, SF 3452 to be specific, $3 million for pre-design, redesign, construction, and renovation of a property to create like a community center so Somali women could fight racism in Minnesota. | ||
| And while that in and of itself is a scandal and should be stopped immediately, what is so interesting about this is that the director of that very progressive organization, an individual who honestly, I don't know how to pronounce her name and I'm not going to learn, but I think it is Fartun Welley. | ||
| Well, she is also the director of a political action committee by the name of Somali American Women Political Action Committee, SAPAC. | ||
| And you can guess what kind of candidates they support. | ||
| People like Keith Ellison and a bunch of Democrats and a bunch of Somalians and a bunch of people who are committed to her crusade of quote combating the dehumanization of Muslim women, immigrants and refugee rights, educational equity, and reproductive rights for Muslim women and their families. | ||
| And so much so that our girl actually co-sponsored or hosted an event with none other than Tim Waltz. | ||
| In 2023, it was the inaugural Somali Day at the Capitol. | ||
| Where a bunch of Somalians got together with Tim Waltz, and believe it or not, after the call to prayer played inside the Minnesota State Capitol, Tim Waltz gave some blustering, weird, weak guy speech about how great Somalians are for Minnesota. | ||
| That they're so great that maybe they should stay in Somali. | ||
| Maybe that's where they're undergoing a civil war. | ||
| And to that point, which, like I said, the real story here isn't just the fraud, it's what these people are doing with that money. | ||
| Isarun, again, a Somalian word for something, is also one of these organizations of which I have identified. | ||
| Again, all of this is on my sub stack, but at least five of these charities that are receiving, in some cases, millions of dollars from the government, whether it's DHS grants, EPA grants, grants from Minnesota, the state level itself, are also listed on the Act Blue registry as taking in money from them for charitable purposes. | ||
| Now, I'm not an expert in tax loopholes and things like that, but that's quite interesting to me. | ||
| That connectivity, shall we say, that connective tissue there, I'm certainly going to keep digging into that. | ||
| That's obviously nataliegwinters.substack.com if you want to read both of these stories. | ||
| But that's the real story with what's going down in Minnesota by importing these foreigners. | ||
| It's about campaign finance and it's a racket, not just to destroy these states, to destroy these communities, but it's a money laundering operation and they're putting money back into the campaigns of the people who are allowing them to come here. | ||
| It's like Chicago-style politics, except the machines are not even for American citizens. | ||
| Therefore, maybe they are citizens. | ||
| I don't even know. | ||
| But they're not real American citizens. | ||
| Denver, I know I ended up taking up a lot of that block. | ||
| There's nothing that gets me as radicalized as talking about the death and destruction of this country at the hands of people like Tim Waltz. | ||
| But let's play a little bit of the Jack Smith stuff. | ||
| We'll roll it through break, and then I think we should have Julie Kelly. | ||
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| The most powerful person in the world has said that Mr. Smith should be in jail because of his work as special counsel. | ||
| Not because Jack did anything wrong, but because he had the audacity to follow the facts and the law and apply them to that powerful person. | ||
| And through its actions, this Justice Department has demonstrated its eagerness to follow President Trump's orders despite the facts and the law. | ||
| Yesterday, the president's chief of staff is reported to have confirmed in interviews that the president is indeed pursuing criminal prosecutions against his perceived adversaries as part of a retribution campaign. | ||
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| You are back in the war room. | ||
| We are joined by the one and only the fantastic Julie Kelly, who has a wonderful Christmas sweater on that I love. | ||
| It's still Christmas time. | ||
| We love Christmas here in the war room. | ||
| I think we're allowed to say that. | ||
| But Julie Kelly, I just want to tee you up. | ||
| You go off for as long as you want. | ||
| I think you're the best person to be able to lead our audience kind of through this. | ||
| But what we saw, what we heard from the Jack Smith deposition or testimony. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So, Natalie, this was the eight-hour deposition by former special counsel Jack Smith before the House Judiciary Committee that was last month. | ||
| And they released the full transcript and the video recording of that deposition on New Year's Eve. | ||
| So I want to thank them for that because all of us were kind of scrambling to look at the transcripts and look at the video. | ||
| So I've been posting clips of that eight-hour interview on my ex-account, Julie underscore Kelly 2. | ||
| But Natalie, look, as you know, you and I talked about my coverage of special counsel Jack Smith, who indicted President Trump twice in the summer of 2023, once in Florida on the so-called classified documents case, and then once in Washington, D.C. on the so-called January 6th case. | ||
| And this was unprecedented. | ||
| But the way Jack Smith discussed these cases before the House Judiciary Committee was as if both cases were slam dunks. | ||
| The president, but for the fact, thankfully that he was elected president in November of 2024, but for that victory, he would have Jack Smith would have sailed through both cases, both trials. | ||
| Now, part of that might have been true in Washington, D.C. Of course, the city filled with Trump haters that voted 92% for Kamala Harris. | ||
| And of course, the judge who presided in that case, Tanya Chutkin, the Obama appointee who hated Donald Trump probably as much as anyone in that city. | ||
| He might have been right there. | ||
| The Florida case, though, Natalie, he forgot to mention, was dismissed by Judge Aileen Cannon in July of 2024 after determining that Jack Smith's appointment by Mary Garland violated the appointments clause of the Constitution. | ||
| So that documents indictment actually had been dismissed. | ||
| And we can talk a little bit more about the details of what he disclosed. | ||
| But basically, what he was bringing in the January 6th case was a First Amendment-protected prosecution of a sitting president at the time who was trying to get to the bottom of what we now know and we knew at the time was rampant voting election fraud in several states. | ||
| Jack Smith defiantly telling the House Judiciary Committee last month that he was not protected. | ||
| The president was not protected by the First Amendment in talking about election fraud because he was lying about it. | ||
| That's what Jack Smith said. | ||
| So that was, of course, galling. | ||
| Think of this, Natalie: an unelected, unaccountable former prosecutor, DOJ prosecutor under the Obama administration. | ||
| Jack Smith was head of the Public Integrity Unit for almost four years under President Barack Obama. | ||
| So we know his partisan roots there. | ||
| Jack Smith talking about what can what the sitting president, elected president of the United States, can and cannot lawfully say, especially about an election that we know was rigged, was highly flawed, to put it nicely, rigged and corrupted. | ||
| So that is something that I think House Republicans and even Senate Republicans are going to look into a little bit more. | ||
| But in the documents case which I covered, I was in I think every court proceeding in Florida in that case, misrepresenting the facts there, claiming that the president willfully took national defense information and hid it at Mar-a-Lago and then obstructed investigators who were allegedly trying to find those papers. | ||
| That is a provable lie. | ||
| Natalie, the president and his team, starting in the spring of 2021, just a few months after he left the White House, started cooperating with NARA, the archives, and trying to find these classified documents they claimed belonged to the government. | ||
| Then, throughout 2022, continued to cooperate with the Biden Department OF Justice, going so far as in June of 2022. | ||
| The president delayed his relocation, summer relocation to Bedminster to greet Jay Bratt, one of the most corrupted, dirtiest prosecutors in DOJ history. | ||
| Along with Jack Smith, Jay Bratt and three FBI agents allowed them voluntarily to come into Mar-a-Lago, showed them around, said, we'll give you whatever you want, as they traipsed through the president's private residence, allegedly trying to find more classified documents. | ||
| Then Jay Bratt turns around a few days later and starts pushing for the raid at the armed raid of Mar-a-Lago. | ||
| So these are just a few of the things that Jack Smith has lied about in that testimony, misrepresented the facts but overall, just brazenly sitting there stating that the president committed all of these crimes when in fact, especially the J6 uh indictment Natalie relied on extremely vague it rarely used statute statutes like conspiracy against rights. | ||
| These were not cut and dry statutes. | ||
| He was going to have a terrible time. | ||
| He already was gutted part of his indictment, gutted by the Supreme Court in the immunity decision. | ||
| So um, for him to sit there and just act so arrogantly, so smug, uh that he and so self-righteous about what he did and, in the process, misrepresenting the facts, I think we are going to have to hear a lot more from mr Smith. | ||
| Uh, this year is the smugness because he thinks he will get away with it, and do you think his thought that he will is is correct or what do you think? | ||
| The timeline looks on how this plays out. | ||
| You know that's such a good question, Natalie. | ||
| Um he, he definitely has lawyered up. | ||
| He started lawyering up right after the president won and we know I think he got $100,000 in pro bono work from Covington, who is now still representing him. | ||
| So I think there is a little bit of fear. | ||
| One of his attorneys talked during the testimony during the deposition that the president was pursuing Jack Smith, was threatening him with criminal charges, that he had done nothing wrong. | ||
| So I think that he might be a little bit worried. | ||
| But look, Jack Smith has been sitting by and watching how House Republicans, not just House Republicans, but Republican leadership has been handling a lot of these egregious cases of laws there against the president. | ||
| Now, to be fair, they've had their hands full, especially with all the litigation lawsuits that have been filed against the Trump administration and all the scandals that they are uncovering, especially at the DOJ and FBI that they are trying to get their arms around. | ||
| But in my view, holding Jack Smith and his team of thugs in both the Florida case and the Washington case should take priority and, I would argue, take priority even over Russia Gate, because of course, the problem there is statute of limitations has run out. | ||
| Public interest is not as nearly as high as it is in something like this. | ||
| The reason why we got a Jack Smith and we got the J6 prosecution we got two unprecedented criminal federal indictments against the president of the United States was because no one was held accountable from Russia Gate, and you know that as, but as well as anyone, Natalie. | ||
| If we don't hold Jack Smith, his team of thugs, David Harbach and Jay Bratt, JP Cooney in the Florida case excuse me, in the Florida case, Tom Wyndham and Molly Gaston in the Washington January 6th case, we are going to get this all over again on steroids even worse, because this is how we got to this point, no one being held accountable for Rush Gate, everything in between. | ||
| So there have to be consequences for Jack Smith. | ||
| I think he teed up uh enough evidence of at least a few criminal referrals for him, not just for his testimony, which contradicts a lot of the facts, but also what he and his team were caught doing, especially in the Florida case, misrepresenting the facts to judge cannon, tampering with evidence um, missing evidence in that case, missing files. | ||
| So there's a lot happening in that case in particular that I think uh the DOJ should be looking into and I think that they might be in this Florida grand jury that we know, this grand conspiracy case that Mike Davis has talked about. | ||
| So it's yes, he is smug for now uh, will that last? | ||
| Let's hope not. | ||
| Senator Ron Johnson, who is the chairman of the Senate Senate Permanent Select Committee ON Investigations, has said that they are going to now pick up some of the uh slack here on Jack Smith investigation and will ask to have Jack Smith testify again in public. | ||
| And Julie just got a few minutes. | ||
| I want to, I want to hold you through, but how do you take Jack Smith out of it for a second? | ||
| How do you assess sort of our side of the football how, how they've shown up from, you know, the congressional side and potentially the DOJ side? | ||
| sorry i have my sweater on i think i'm having a winter cold attack now um spiritual warfare and i'm not really sure what this is all going to look like Yeah, exactly. | ||
| Usually my connection cuts out, and I used to blame it on Chris Ray, but now I can blame this on Jack Smith. | ||
| Many, many, many offenders, yes. | ||
| On the other side, though, I do want to talk about what I think was a very interesting revelation that Jack Smith talked about, and that is his discussing how he reached out to the Department of Justice in the summer of 2022 and wanted to be part of the investigations into the president. | ||
| This is a new development, and I think it really contradicts and undermines what we have been told, Natalie, which is just that Attorney General Merrick Garland plucked Jack Smith out of The Hague. | ||
| He was prosecuting this Kosovo war crimes case, just plucked him out of there, brought him to Washington to take over these two investigations, and wasn't really involved before that. | ||
| What Jack Smith told the committee completely contradicts that narrative and contradicts the idea that Jack Smith was not interested in working on these cases before he was appointed in November of 2022. | ||
| Julie, if you can hang with us through the break, I know there's some breaking news on the pipe bomber and the judge case. | ||
| So I want to get your thoughts on that. | ||
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| Here back in the war room, we got Julie Kelly still with us. | ||
| Thank you, Julie, for joining us. | ||
| I know the audience loves having you on. | ||
| And perfect timing because there's some breaking news that the January 6th alleged pipe bomber case that has been assigned to a judge, and there always seems to be something interesting, something, I guess, interesting is euphemistic for left-wing partisan and anti-Trump. | ||
| But Amir Ali, walk us through the history there. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So the indictment, the case against the alleged pipe bomber, Brian Cole Jr. has now been assigned to Judge Amir Ali. | ||
| I believe that that is one of Mike Davis's. | ||
| He has so many favorite judges, especially in the Washington, D.C. district court. | ||
| I believe this is one of them. | ||
| I'm just going through his history, but he has also helped thwart some of President Trump's policy agenda. | ||
| Just getting up to speed here on that. | ||
| He recently just issued a preliminary injunction reinstating Attorney Mark Zaid, his security clearance that had been stripped by the president. | ||
| I believe he might have a dual citizenship. | ||
| I know that Mike Davis has talked about one of the D.C. judges, this one appointed by Joe Biden, has a dual citizenship. | ||
| Have to see if that is if this is the individual, but he may be. | ||
| So, this case has been assigned to Judge Ali for now, which was just turned over by magistrate judge. | ||
| The magistrate judge, who is initially handling the Brian Cole case, has issued a pretrial detention order. | ||
| He issued that order today, which means that Brian Cole Jr., who has been in custody since he was arrested on December 5th, for allegedly planting those pipe bombs outside the RNC and DNC on the evening of January 5th, 2021. | ||
| Both discovered 17 hours later, right around the same time that the joint session of Congress was convening to debate and consider the outcome of the 2020 presidential election. | ||
| He has been in custody since then. | ||
| Magistrate Judge Matthew Sharbaugh today extending his time in prison, his time in custody pending trial. | ||
| Little wrinkle in this case so far is that the prosecutors in the case working for DC U.S. Attorney Janine Perrow had to go to the DC Superior Court, which is the local court, not the DC District Court, the federal court, to secure an indictment. | ||
| Now, the magistrate judge Matthew Sharva did not accept that indictment. | ||
| This is somewhat of an issue for the Trump DOJ and DCUS Attorney's Office, where you have grand juries sitting in the DC district in the federal courthouse who are refusing to sign off on criminal indictments brought by the Trump DOJ. | ||
| I'm not sure if that's the case here. | ||
| And then they have to go to the DC Superior Court to get the indictment, bring it back to the federal courthouse. | ||
| And a few judges, including Jeff Bosbrock, have put a hold on accepting those indictments, this judge in this case as well. | ||
| I know that's a little bit complicating, but I think it does speak to the challenges whether it's getting a radical judge like this one to handle these politically sensitive, politically charged cases, or you have DC residents. | ||
| And Natalie, there's a whole group called Free DC. | ||
| I know you're familiar with them, funded by George Soros, your favorite activist group in D.C. that is actually holding seminars to teach D.C. residents how to reject criminal indictments brought by the Trump DOJ and return what's called a no-true bill, which used to be unheard of. | ||
| Now it's very common in Washington, D.C. | ||
| And also to be skeptical jurors when they finally are sitting on a panel for a trial and not hand the Trump DOJ a win, which we saw last month in the case of the man who was charged with throwing that Subway sandwich at federal agents who were executing an illegal immigration arrest. | ||
| So this is again an example of the really uphill battle that the Trump DOJ and Pierrow's office faces when they're trying to bring forward some of these cases. | ||
| So we'll see if the judge does accept this indictment. | ||
| If not, I don't know what happens from there. | ||
| But now we'll just kind of watch what happens as the proceedings in Brian Cole Jr.'s case moves forward throughout the next several months. | ||
| And Julie, just give us sort of your concluding thoughts on all things, Jack Smith, what the audience needs to know as we advance forward into 2026. | ||
| So as I said, Natalie, I'm posting a lot of clips. | ||
| I will continue to do so over the weekend. | ||
| Julie underscore Kelly 2 on X. Also, I posted the entire eight-hour deposition video and transcript on my Substack Declassified with Julie Kelly. | ||
| If people want to watch for and look at it themselves, they are free to do so. | ||
| But again, following Jack Smith, keep in mind there's already a criminal referral pending before the Department of Justice for Tom Wyndham, who is this lead prosecutor in the J6 case for obstructing Congress in his deposition that he gave last year. | ||
| So lots still to cover in the Jack Smith scandal, saga, whatever you would like to call it. | ||
| But hopefully another public hearing where the American people can see their $50 million man, Jack Smith, who spent at least $50 million of our tax dollars to pursue President Trump and, you know, hopefully, again, as I said, face some consequences for what he did. | ||
| Julie Kelly, I know the audience is going to be all over watching those clips one more time. | ||
| Where can people go to follow you, read all your work, and watch these clips if they so dare? | ||
| If you so dare, if you can take it, if you can tolerate watching Jack Smith. | ||
| Julie underscore Kelly 2 on X and then declassified with Julie Kelly on Substack. | ||
| Thank you, Julie, for joining us. | ||
| I really appreciate it. | ||
| Thanks, Natalie. | ||
| Happy New Year. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| Happy New Year. | ||
| Merry Christmas. | ||
| We say that here in the War Room War Impossible. | ||
| It's an honor to be with you, I guess, for the first show, at least mine, of 2026. | ||
| And like I said, if you want to read more about those Somalian fraud stories, how it links to Act Blue, Democratic Campaigns, Keith Ellison, Tim Waltz, that's nataliegwinters.substack.com. | ||
| You also got to read the piece about how, well, there's a lot of pieces you got to read, obviously, on the China front. | ||
| But I think what's most maddening is that you have people, groups, Somalian nonprofits who are taking your tax dollars while concurrently fundraising off of actblue.com, telling you that you're crazy and a conspiracy theorist for believing in that. | ||
| And then in some cases, using that money to directly support people like Keith Ellison. | ||
| Yeah, we got an Islamic extremism problem. | ||
| It's just, it's not in Iran. | ||
| It's right here. | ||
| And the regime change I voted for is getting rid of that, not sending troops to Iran. | ||
| I'll see you guys soon. |