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Dec. 20, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 5011: Live From AMFest Day 2 cont.
Participants
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bo french
05:32
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mike cernovich
06:49
Appearances
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ben bergquam
03:57
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javier negre
esp 04:57
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joe allen
04:11
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kangmin lee
02:16
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maureen bannon
03:34
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oscar ramirez
04:18
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steve bannon
r 00:54
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jake tapper
cnn 00:10
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unidentified
Think about Donald Trump designating Nicolas Maduro as a narco-terrorist.
Good, well done.
I think it's good.
And that's the best designation Trump has ever made.
That's what he is, a terrorist.
Do you support Donald Trump in all the decisions he has made?
Of course, I support him.
And I'm Venezuelan.
One doesn't want an invasion, but what else can we do?
We're up to here, up to our necks with 25 years of this narco-dictatorship.
The President of the United States, Donald Trump, has destroyed over 20 boats in international waters carrying synthetic drugs from Venezuela and has designated them as terrorists.
What's your opinion on that?
Well, everyone knows this is the mandatory route for drugs coming through Colombia.
This is the major highway of Latin America.
There's the cartel of the sons operating in Venezuela.
Do you think it's appropriate to designate them as terrorists?
Of course, what else would you call people who traffic drugs?
The terror, the youth, all the destruction they cause, especially to young people.
Of course, he showed his voting records.
Corina Machado had the courage to collect copies of all the original voting records, gathering the copies that remain from the CNE.
Last I heard was that an oil tanker heading to Russia was destroyed.
So they're not even stopping for Russia.
Here we are, the Americans.
Pony, they impose their strategy.
Go Betchu, Domerica!
steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on these people.
Here's not got a free shot.
All these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you're trying to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big line?
MAGA Media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
steve bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
joe allen
Howdy, howdy, Phoenix, Arizona!
How is your turning point so far?
You guys having a good time or what?
This is maybe the last bastion of real America against whatever is coming next.
So enjoy yourselves while it lasts.
maureen bannon
So you guys might be wondering why it's baby Honey Badger and the team up here and not Honey Badger.
He's getting ready for his speech.
So once we're done here, he will be speaking on main stage at 5:45 local time.
So make sure to get a good seat to see Honey Badger on main stage.
But enjoy the next hour with us up here.
But Ben.
ben bergquam
It's all.
Now, real quick, before we go out to Oscar, any specific bombs that he's going to be dropping on stage tonight?
joe allen
There's been a lot of incoming fire.
One imagination.
There might be some return fire.
ben bergquam
I know one thing.
Steve does not pull punches.
So if you stay tuned, it's going to be amazing.
maureen bannon
Oh, yeah.
You definitely have to get in there to see it.
ben bergquam
But speaking of important, amazing things, we've got my brother, Oscar El Blue Ramirez, down on the border of Venezuela as we speak.
Oscar, tell us where you are, what you're doing, and why did you not invite me?
This is just unacceptable.
I should be there with you, my man.
And actually, but one other question.
Was that an AI voice Joe was asking on that interview?
No, I'm just kidding.
Oscar, where are you at, brother?
oscar ramirez
Well, Ben, we were right here in 2023.
You were right here with me.
It is impossible for you to be with me right now because an American citizen will be snatched by the National Guard of Venezuela and taken for captive, and you will be held hostage in the Venezuelan government.
As we speak right now, this voter is completely agitated, completely tense because of the statements that Donald Trump has released just recently, designating the regime of Venezuela as a narco-terrorist organization.
You have seen more deployment of the National Guard just behind me, just one step away.
It's right there at Venezuela.
Just a couple of minutes ago, they deployed three National Guard men just to see what we were saying, what we were doing.
And they told me, if you put a step right here, we will arrest you and we will take you in for questioning.
This is no joke.
They are completely afraid of what Donald Trump is going to do.
He designated the Cartel de Solis as a terrorist organization.
He designated the regime as a terrorist organization.
And the number one head of the snake, Nicolas Maduro, has been designated as a narco-terrorist.
The people are afraid to speak, but behind cameras, they have told us they had it.
They're sick and tired of it.
And they are all rooting for Donald Trump to pressure the government and to pressure the regime for them to be replaced and put a government where they can free the people of Venezuela, Ben.
ben bergquam
Yeah.
And Oscar, the crowd here loves that.
Free the people of Venezuela.
You know, the work we've done in Central and South America, you look at this, what President Trump is doing down there, blowing up the boats, attacking them.
You had that one interview.
Is that the consensus?
Are people finally sick of this communist regime in Venezuela?
oscar ramirez
It's absolutely the consensus, and it's absolutely 100% what the people want.
And it is, you know, disgusting that this is what the Democrats are lying.
You don't see this kind of interviews in the leftist media in the United States of America.
This is what we need to fight.
This is what Americans and patriots in the United States of America need to fight to spread the truth of what the real conservative, you know, Latinos and the real conservative countries in Latin America, they're completely against the socialist and communist regimes.
But the only ones that they're pushing this narrative are the leftists and the Democrats and the progressive mercenary liberals in the United States of America.
The majority of the people here are sick and tired of it.
They want freedom.
And believe me, Ben, we were right here in 2023.
This was the bridge of the funneling of the most illegal migration of Venezuelans going through the Darien Gap that we have been there four times.
And believe me, if they will be free, you will see by the millions coming back to this bridge and coming back to the country where right now at this particular moment and juncture, you see extreme National Guard tense because of this situation that they think that the United States of America will come in and combat the organized crime of Nicolas Maduro Ben.
ben bergquam
You know, Oscar, I look at that and I see the work, the interviews you were doing in Mexico City just a couple weeks ago, and I compare that to what we see in our major inner cities across America where we have these leftist communist jihadists working against ICE, attacking ICE, obstructing ICE, working with illegal aliens on stopping the deportation of illegal aliens.
And right now, we just launched Real America's Voice News just launched RAV Latino, the Hispanic version of RAV.
We've got Javier up here with us to counteract the lies of the mainstream media and in particular the Hispanic community.
Javier, I wanted you to jump in on that and join in on the conversation with Oscar.
javier negre
So thank you very much.
Oscar is a hero for me because he's in Mexico.
He's in Venezuela like fighting, you know, having traveled with his security.
I'm Javier Negre.
I'm a journalist, a Spanish journalist.
We are having a show in RAFO, Espanol, every Sunday at 8 in the afternoon.
You should watch it because the communists are paying a lot of media in Florida, in New York, to tell lies, the Hispanic voters.
We lost Florida.
We lost Miami, we lost New York because of the Hispanic voters.
Fake news media like Univision, like Telemundo, like CNN, and you know, they're telling lies about ICE operations.
They're not telling the people the truth that Trump is deporting bad people, that illegal aliens that are criminals.
I'm Hispanic, I'm very happy with the ICE operation.
And we have to tell the people, you know, we don't want supremacist Muslims, we don't want illegal aliens, we don't want people from drugs like Mexico, like Venezuela.
I want to give like thanks to Steve Bannon, to Robsik, and to Parker City, because in January we are going to have full programming in Hispanic, in Sansun TV, in Apple TV, and in Europe, Raf, because we have to wing the Hispanic voter.
I'm from Spain, and right now, Spain is being invaded by a lot of Muslims.
Europe is being lost.
And I came to America because he's the freedom country.
I love Trump.
I love Carol Levitt.
They put me in the Oval Office to make the good questions.
And we are supporting leaders like Javier Millé, like Castin Chile, like Noboa in Ecuador, like Bukele, like Meloni.
I think that the right-wing wave we have to support from the media in Spain, all the people is telling me like jokes about, hey, you want to be the next Steve Bannon in the Hispanic world?
Of course, I'm proud of him.
unidentified
I mean, who wouldn't want to be that?
Who would want to be that?
javier negre
Yeah, he's, I'm a fan of him.
That's a dream for me, like to be in the set with you guys.
So I'm very grateful to God to be and to fight, fight, fight against the fake news media like Univision, like Telemundo, La Ciene, that are telling lies to the Hispanic voters.
They think that Trump is unable and is not right.
And I'm fighting against people like the president of Mexico.
She's a president who is related to the narco dealers.
I'm fighting against Maduro.
In Spain, they want me to put me in jail because the government, the socialist government, they want to attack the freedom of speech.
I want to give thank you to the room, to Raf to give me this opportunity because I'm going to be like fighting against all the fake news, all the Georg Soros, all the globalism that is paying a lot of media in Florida to tell lies about Trump, about the administration of Trump.
And that's not fair for me.
unidentified
Yeah.
javier negre
And thank you very much.
ben bergquam
Amen, amen, amen.
We need this word to spread in every language around the world.
MAGA is ascendant.
You look at what happened in Chile and Argentina, all of that.
Obviously, Bukele in El Salvador.
Oscar, what's your plans?
Where are you going?
What's next down there?
If you can tell us, I know some of what you're planning.
You can't really talk about, but tell us what you have planned.
And then if you could give a message as a Mexican citizen to our ICE agents, our Board of Patrol agents, President Trump, what would that be?
oscar ramirez
To all the audience right now and the American people and the Hispanic community, I would like to say to all of you, no mas mentiras.
Ya se la sacabo, no more lies.
You guys are done.
The media is coming in Spanish and we're taking over and we are taking over the whole continent because we are going to spread the news like you guys have been lying to our Hispanic community inside of the United States of America.
The Hispanic vote is one of the most important votes and it is conservative by nature.
We have three values.
We are capitalists.
One of the things we are hard workers.
We have the family values that that is extremely important like the American people.
And the number one value that we have, we are really truthful believers in God in the Lord Jesus Christ.
So, you guys are done.
We're coming.
We're going to take out the whole continent.
And we're going to be over here, Ben, and the voters of Venezuela spreading the news that nobody wants to say.
We are right here putting ourselves in harm's way.
The National Guard of Venezuela is right here behind us, trying to just, you know, intimidate us to not say the reality of what is going on with the narco-terrorist regime of Nicolás Paduro, terrorizing the people of Venezuela and trying to go against President Trump.
That he's actually winning this war and he's actually going to win this war against every socialist.
We are not going to let socialism win in the continent of America.
And it starts from here and it starts from our network, Real Americans Voice News.
Ben, thank you.
maureen bannon
Amen, Oscar.
Amen.
Between now and the next time we see you on War Room, where can the posse find you?
oscar ramirez
Every social media platform is Oscar Blue Ramirez, but you can find me at the best network that exists that is Real Americans Voice News.
And thank you to my brother, Ben, because he was the one that invited me to this network.
And now it has been almost seven to eight years working here.
And I'm really blessed and extremely blessed to be with your father.
That is a motivation to anybody and the whole continent of America.
Everybody that spreads lies on the left says that the Hispanic community hates Steve Bannon.
You're completely liars and you should be ashamed.
Everybody admires Steve Bannon because he's a fighter against socialism and communism.
ben bergquam
Amen, brother.
Hey, God's blessing over you.
We pray His angel armies are with you on that border and everywhere you go against the enemies that want to destroy not just our nation but the nations of the world.
maureen bannon
And stay safe, Oscar.
And to correct you, Ben, it's Rav Espanol.
ben bergquam
Español.
unidentified
Rav Espanol.
javier negre
Escultes Español.
By the way, we want Rob.
He has to learn Spanish, Rob.
Pe queremos, and we love you.
Thanks for the gracias.
maureen bannon
So, Ben, when are we going to see you out there with Oscar again?
ben bergquam
Well, we're working on a few trips.
First of the year, I'll be back out with ICE and Border Patrol embedding, exposing the enemies within our government and within the country.
We need two things in this country: we need mass deportations and mass incarcerations of the politicians that are getting in the way.
And that's, you know, they're trying to get President Trump to pull off the brakes.
The left are attacking ICE and Border Patrol.
They're trying to demoralize them.
And I got to tell you, as a guy who rides with these guys almost every week, all you're doing is putting fuel in their gas tanks.
There is no breaks.
It's all gas.
These guys are going.
And Tom Holman, I'm going to be actually meeting with him on Sunday.
We're not stopping.
It's only getting started.
maureen bannon
And Javier, where can the audience find you between now and the next time we see you on War Room?
javier negre
What do you say?
maureen bannon
Where can the audience find you?
javier negre
The audience can find us every Sunday, 8-8 in the afternoon, 8 p.m. Eastern time.
Afro Español, in YouTube channel, in Apple TV, in San Juan.
It's very important to support this show because in the midterms, we need the Hispanic voters.
maureen bannon
We'll be back.
unidentified
Still America's Voice family.
steve bannon
Are you on Getter yet?
unidentified
No.
What are you waiting for?
steve bannon
It's free.
unidentified
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And it's where all the biggest voices in conservative media are speaking out.
steve bannon
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It's where I put up exclusively all of my content 24 hours a day.
You want to know what Steve Bannon's thinking?
ben bergquam
Go to Getter.
javier negre
That's right.
steve bannon
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Steve Bannon, Charlie Kirk, Jack the Soviets.
unidentified
And so many more.
steve bannon
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unidentified
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Let's hear it.
maureen bannon
Let's hear it, Amphest.
It's here for War Room.
So if you guys don't have Getter, go to getter.com, sign up.
It's where my dad puts up his exclusive content.
That's the only place you can find Steve Bannon and exactly what he's thinking besides here on War Room.
On Twitter you can find Grace, Grace Chong going crazy on Twitter.
But Getter is the place to find Steve Bannon exclusively.
Javier, where can the audience find you between now and next time we see you on War Room?
javier negre
We have every Sunday the show 8 in the afternoon.
We hate Telemundo.
We hate Univision.
We fight against all the Hispanic media that are publishing fake news against Trump using the AICE operation, telling the people lies about the ICE operation, and don't tell the people that Trump is doing correctly, like law order and deporting criminals.
So it's what I need, is what we need in America because I came from Spain and we are being invaded by extremists, Muslim, illegal aliens.
And I don't want the United States in the same situation as we suffer in Europe and in Spain.
So you can follow me right new show every Sunday, 8 p.m. Eastern Time in RAF and Espanol, Real America's Boys website, APL TV, Sansun TV, and in my social networks, Javier Negre.
Thank you very much.
And thanks to Rob, Parker Sim, and the War Room to be here.
And we are going to fight against the fake news, Hispanic media that want to defeat Trump in the midterms.
And we are not going to let them do it.
Thank you very much.
maureen bannon
Thank you for joining us, Javier.
And once again, that's Rev Rav Espanol.
Rav Espanol.
Yes, Ben Espanol, not Espanol.
unidentified
Yes.
ben bergquam
Espanol.
maureen bannon
So, Bo, you probably know Bo for he's been on here on the war room, a guest of ours many times.
But we came from Venezuela.
What the heck is going on in Texas right now?
bo french
Well, good segue, because Venezuela produces a lot of oil, and we do too in Texas.
Very important.
Look, Texas produces almost half the oil and gas in the United States.
So it is critical that we fortify our production here in the U.S. to make us competitive on a global market.
But I mean, in Texas, we have a lot of problems.
I think most people have kind of the Fox News version of Texas in their head.
If you don't live in Texas, you don't know this.
We're not nearly as conservative as you think we are.
We have a rhino problem in Texas.
And most of our legislature, rhinos.
There's about 20 good ones in there.
Some of our leadership in Texas, rhinos.
So we are fighting all kinds of things in Texas.
Predominantly, the Islamic invasion.
It is a serious problem in Texas.
maureen bannon
And how are we going to fight that?
Because it's a very serious problem, and it's not going away, and it's not getting any smaller.
It's increasing in problem size.
bo french
Yeah, so in Texas, we have over 300 mosques now, over 600 Islamic centers, and they are moving in.
And of course, they do what they always do.
They move into a neighborhood and they start, you know, they take over the neighborhood.
Then they start getting people on city councils and things like that.
So it is the same playbook they've done in Dearborn, same playbook that the Somalis have done up in Minnesota.
So they are doing the same thing in Texas.
And by the way, my sources in the intelligence community who've infiltrated these networks, they're all working together.
So the ones from Dearborn, Michigan are working with the ones in Texas.
This is a national effort.
It is national security.
And so we are working hard to expose this in Texas.
I've been one of the leading voices in Texas talking about it.
And it really is critical.
We have to address it now.
We can't wait.
maureen bannon
How we go about addressing it so that it decreases and doesn't continue to increase.
bo french
Well, I get in a lot of trouble for how I want to address it.
If you follow my ex-account, you know.
But look, we have 100 million people in this country who shouldn't be here.
We need to deport 100 million people.
And everyone's like, oh, that's too many people.
I'm like, well, we have 50 million illegals.
And like, no, no, that's not.
We have 11 to 12 million.
And I'm like, no, we had 20 million before Biden was president.
We had another 20 million that came in during Biden, and then you'd start counting anchor babies and things like that.
And then the government said they had 55 million visa holders, including all the H-1Bs.
I mean, there are 100 million people in our country who shouldn't be here.
So I'm a big fan of restoring America.
And you do that by deporting a bunch of people.
That solves almost every problem.
And frankly, that helps solve the Islamic problem because most of these people have come here as illegal aliens.
A lot of them have overstayed visas, but then they start setting up their hive and working to radicalize people in these mosques who are run by these radical imams who are, by the way, training under the most radical people in the Middle East.
Lots of associations with the Muslim Brotherhood, Al-Qaeda, ISIS.
So, I mean, it is a problem that is, like I said, it is here and now.
And so we need to confront it.
maureen bannon
How can the posse that doesn't live in the state of Texas help the state of Texas in this problem?
bo french
Well, listen, I think it's critical that you get involved in politics in your local area.
I mean, this is a nationwide problem.
It's not just in Texas.
Obviously, I'm on the ballot as a statewide candidate in Texas, so I'm focused on it.
But wherever you are, you need to be focused on it because they're coming after Florida.
They're coming after Michigan, as we know, Minnesota.
So they're getting footholds all over the country.
And so it's not just one location.
maureen bannon
And I agree with you.
Like you said, everyone has to get involved.
You can't think that this is just a Texas issue, that this is just a Florida issue, New York.
We're seeing it across the country.
And we can't sit back and let other people fight this.
We have to fight it because we don't want our country to be overtaken.
So I definitely agree with you.
unidentified
So goes Texas, and then so goes America.
What is it?
So goes the world.
bo french
Well, listen, Texas is critical, and most people don't realize this, but without Texas, there is no pathway for a Republican to win the White House.
You have to have Texas.
So, look, I was a big proponent of the redistricting.
We picked up some congressional seats for Republicans in Texas.
But, you know, I'm a big proponent also of electing the right Republicans.
And all too often, you know, if you look at the Trump base that came out in 2024, the low-propensity Trump voters, most of those people don't ever show up in primaries.
So they're not helping select the Republicans that then go represent us on the ballot in November.
And to me, that's critical.
We should be electing unapologetic America first warriors at every level.
maureen bannon
Amen.
So I know you mentioned that you're running.
So tell us a little bit about your election.
bo french
Well, I'm running for the strangest named office in the country, probably.
It's the Texas Railroad Commission.
It does not have anything to do with trains, but we do regulate the oil and gas industry and our mining industry in Texas, which obviously is super critical to our economy in Texas and, again, for national security purposes in the country.
maureen bannon
How can the posse help you with that?
bo french
Well, I mean, you go to my website, bofrench.com, or you can follow me on Twitter, BoFrench TX.
And, you know, there's lots of information.
unidentified
Of course, multiply.
bo french
Yeah, exactly.
So just the more people talking about it, I'm challenging an incumbent who's a rhino, of course, who has allowed DEI to increase under his chairmanship.
So the Texas Railroad Commission has gone from 41st in the state, if you rank them in DEI spending, to ninth.
So they've increased the amount of DEI spending they've done more than our state universities.
And you think about like University of Texas and other liberal schools.
So it's really shocking that there's this focus on an industry that has national security implications.
And they've been focused on DEI and hiring people that are unqualified.
And we need to be hiring people based on merit.
Novel concept, I know.
But so, you know, if you want to end DEI in state government, if you want to have someone who's America first, unapologetically so, who's demonstrated a warrior in Texas, who's leading the fight on the Islamic invasion, then I'm your guy.
maureen bannon
And Bo, what are your coordinates?
Your social media coordinates.
bo french
Oh, and my social media coordinates.
Yeah, the main place is, I mean, I'm on all of them, but the main place that I spend most of my time is on X, and that's Bo French TX.
maureen bannon
Thank you again, Bo, for joining us.
bo french
My pleasure.
maureen bannon
Ben, do we have someone else?
ben bergquam
Yes, so speaking of it, it's not just an America problem.
The jihadization of the world is happening.
I have my friends here from the UK.
Tell me your story.
unidentified
So we've got a massive problem in the UK right now, like Useb as well.
And Islam, extreme Islam is not just the problem, because moderate Islam is the people that are the problem as well.
Because if you say that extreme Islam is the snake in the grass, but moderate Islam is the grass that hides the snake.
If you look at what's happening in our country, there's 2,000 undocumented men coming into our country every week on rubber dinghies.
Our government is the problem.
Keir Starmer is a traitor to our country.
And I am a part of the largest growing political party in the UK right now, and that's called Advance UK.
And they are the only people and the only party that is going to deliver on what needs to happen in the UK.
And I'm worried that if we don't get in in the next election, England has fallen.
It is a massive problem.
Young girls are being raped, sexually assaulted, and murdered by a certain cultural background.
And it is happening to white women.
And people need to speak about this because they are too afraid to be called racist, fascists, far-right thugs, Nazis.
But the truth is the truth.
If there is a demographic of people attacking a certain demographic of people, then that has to be spoken about.
And that is Pakistani grooming gangs are attacking young white females.
ben bergquam
How can people get more information about the organisation?
By the way, you went to prison for unfurling a British flag, right?
unidentified
So I held up the union jack and I got brutally arrested by three police officers.
They punched me.
They were kicking me in the legs.
And that was all filmed because there were plenty of citizen journalists at the time.
And I am now suing the police for unlawful arrest.
ben bergquam
If we don't stop this, I was just in England the last two summers and France.
It's a global pandemic, a real global pandemic, a global epidemic, the jihadization of the world.
If we don't stop it, not just Europe's gone, America's gone.
I've got another one.
We'll wait till after the break on a documentary that's coming out on the jihad of the world.
And we'll talk to Vicky in just a second.
unidentified
Advance UK, please get behind Advance UK, led by Ben Habib.
ben bergquam
God bless you.
maureen bannon
And we'll be back after a short commercial break here in the war room.
unidentified
It was just kind of this materialistic lifestyle.
maureen bannon
I just felt so empty and worthless.
I continued being promiscuous.
unidentified
There's no morality about it.
It's just chemicals.
It was trying to not feel rejected.
ben bergquam
I was like losing my mind with depression.
Trying to feel love, feel accepted.
unidentified
Those fissures in my mind are becoming fractures.
ben bergquam
Is there a God?
steve bannon
Because there is one.
Why is he letting this type of stuff happen?
unidentified
I was trying to stop the voices in my head.
You're a disappointment.
maureen bannon
You're a disgrace.
unidentified
Everybody will be so much better without you.
What is the purpose of all this?
It's pronounced dead on the scene.
And I said, if I'm up here and my body's down there, I think I just died.
joe allen
And just slipping out of my body.
unidentified
You know, it's almost akin to a near-death experience with IMLS.
steve bannon
It's kind of the same.
unidentified
There is something out there that was watching over me that day.
I felt the presence of a being next to me, so I assumed that it was God.
After all the pain and suffering, she will have eternity after that.
joe allen
This is the life we're counting on.
The life of the world to come.
unidentified
I found myself contemplating what does it mean to be a human being?
ben bergquam
The universe has a purpose.
unidentified
That's a larger version of the purpose that we see in our life.
You take a painful experience and create a piece of art.
It assists with reconciliation of trauma.
My experience of life is so weird.
joe allen
I feel like we're a simulation.
unidentified
Transcending the biological human being is our destiny.
ben bergquam
This is the reason I'm a transhumanist.
steve bannon
Nearly proves we can rise above with creativity.
ben bergquam
But purpose is forever stuff, not gadgets.
unidentified
The desire for immortality is satisfied in Christ.
joe allen
You cannot save yourself.
mike cernovich
My whole life, I was searching for what people would now call meaning.
unidentified
My story is a common human story with many long, lonely struggles through darkness and pain in my search for meaning.
joe allen
All right, War Room Posse!
mike cernovich
War room!
joe allen
War room!
And the loungers over here, what you just saw is a little teaser for what will be a profound film released by the one, the only Mike Cernovich.
mike cernovich
Thanks, Joe, for having me on.
joe allen
Mike, the film is called Meaning, and it delves into probably the most crucial crisis that we have right now.
Not outward, but inward.
Now, if the posse can just give us a quick, in unison, oh.
Oh, Mike Cernovich, please tell us about meaning.
mike cernovich
Yeah, I think that everybody, you know, when you get a little bit older, you know, I'm almost 50 and it's very, it's almost a cliche thing to do.
But you sort of hit the benchmarks in life.
Okay, I did college, I did this, I did that, I did that.
And then you have those moments where you're sitting around by yourself and you think, this is it?
What in the world?
This is really like all there is.
And I think a lot of people feel that way now and that's why people are acting out in a lot of ways too.
So in the movie, we examine the question of the meaning of life, but also how people are chasing the dragon of dopamine, of experience, of partying and fornication and everything else, because they're trying to reconnect with meaning.
And they're doing it through these other methods that maybe aren't so helpful.
joe allen
I mean, just from what we saw there, you can see that tension between a godless universe in which well over half of America ultimately lives in, despite the religious affiliation and the darkness that that creates.
But on the other side of it, I mean, you yourself are a deeply religious man, and many of the people we saw there are speaking about God, speaking about Christ.
How do you see that tension?
How do you see it playing out and how does it play out in the film?
mike cernovich
Well, I think when we were sketching out the concept of the film, I would always tell people, start from the proposition that you don't even maybe believe in the Garden of Eden story.
But why would the Garden of Eden story have ever been written or created?
And it's because we were cast out of our real home.
So in the movie, we talked to Tim Alberino.
We look into transhumanism.
There's even going to be a little bit of an AI angle.
Neuralink is in there.
We interviewed the Neuralink people.
So we start from a very big question, which is, why write the Garden of Eden story?
Why does everybody feel like they're disconnected for something?
And I have my own beliefs, my own religious beliefs, but it's not a Christian propaganda film because that's not even interesting.
It isn't a religious film per se.
It's exploring a lot of traditions.
So we went into Peru, the jungles of Peru.
Some of the guys drank the ayahuasca.
Some of them drank the tea.
We have that on there.
We talked to, we went to, you were there at that conference.
joe allen
Oh, Tim Alberino.
Yes.
unidentified
Birthright.
Yep.
mike cernovich
So we really get a little crazy in there, which is what you want for a film.
I think everything about meaning is like too preachy.
Right?
It's okay.
You've got to go to church and this and this.
And even if you believe it, is that really interesting?
Does anybody really want to hear that?
Have we not heard enough of that?
And has that even worked?
unidentified
Right.
mike cernovich
Is it even effective messaging?
So we're trying to, again, we have our point of view, but we're trying to represent all sides.
joe allen
Well, I don't want to go straight to the really heavy element here.
I'm curious, on a lighter note, the ayahuasca, theoretically speaking, how does the ayahuasca experience and that kind of drug-induced simulation or direct connection, how does that relate to something like Neuralink?
Is that a direct concept or are they diametrically opposed?
mike cernovich
So what I've told my friends in tech, because I'm in between the war room posse and the AI people.
I have friends who are the AI accelerationists, and then I have the people who they're bashing them, and I'm like, I feel like mom and dad are fighting.
I'm like, oh, no, no, I think you guys are misunderstanding it.
But I've told my friends in AI, I've said, if you've ever done ayahuasca, you would not want the Neuralink because if time is suspended, you can be tormented sort of endlessly.
But the bigger question, and this is a question all my friends in AI have, it's a question we asked Alberino.
Like, I'm not going to take the Neuralink.
You guys aren't going to, but are your kids going to?
They're going to have to make that choice.
It's going to be such a competitive advantage for people who do take it.
What are your kids going to do?
And that's one of the questions I've been, all my friends, even my friends who are in the AI world, and they're the AI accelerationists, they're up at night too.
Because they're thinking, well, I'm not going to take it.
But then on the other hand, we saw a guy with Lou Gehrig's disease, and Neuralink is making it so they can live their life.
So for me, that's where I feel like I'm caught in the middle where, like, if you have what Stephen Hawking had and you can have a Neuralink, you're going to want to take it.
But then, is there a limiting principle and how do you stop it from it becoming basically mandated?
joe allen
You know, a lot of people see it as something extremely freakish, and it is.
The idea of sticking a chip in your brain is really disturbing to normal people.
The idea, though, that you would be algorithmically manipulated by a screen 24-7, that would have been horrifying 25 years ago.
And yet, and yet, you don't have to look too far to find people for whom this is very hard.
mike cernovich
We're all cyborgs.
That's what I tell people already.
You're already a cyborg.
I'm not a cyborg.
Oh, yeah?
Like, you're not like this on your couch, you know, scrolling and with the earpods in, walking around.
You're not a cyborg.
We're already a cyborg.
So then the question, which is, and I think it's interesting and controversial, I wish people had more debate, is how is a Neuralink different?
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't.
Again, I'm personally not going to take it, but if I got in an accident or I had some kind of multiple sclerosis or something, I would take it in a second, and I would think of that as a boon to humanity.
I don't know.
joe allen
One last despondent comment on that.
I think right now, as Neuralink stands, it's very limited as to what it can do.
The most advanced systems allow you to play a video game, remove a cursor on the screen, whereas a smartphone is extraordinarily versatile.
There are so many different ways in which this thing guides people around.
And yes, you can put it away.
It's not in your brain.
But it's completely immersive.
And it's following everything you do even as you follow it.
So I think I agree with you completely.
We are already cyborgs.
Certainly I am.
Grace has been accused of being a cyborg.
I don't know.
unidentified
I have TikTok brain.
I admit it.
joe allen
So in the film, in the trailer, we saw Tim Alberino.
Was that Zoltan Isfahan that I saw?
Or the transhumanist?
mike cernovich
Yeah, so we interviewed the hardcore transhistor.
Because what I like to do is I want to give everybody their best case for their position.
So we interviewed Zoltan, who's a hardcore transhumanist.
And his interview, it's a strange interview, but we're going to represent him in his strongest way.
And Alberino has a very strong point of view, which is very like, he's a confident Christian.
Alberino, I'm a doubtful Christian.
You know, I'm like, am I even a Christian?
You know, maybe I'm just kind of a low life.
You know, I'd like to go through.
unidentified
Alberino's a, he's like a Christian, right?
mike cernovich
And then this other guy's like a transhumanist.
So you wouldn't put me in there to talk about Christianity because I would be a bad representation of it.
But then we have like Josiah Tranums in there, but then we have other religions too.
We talk to a shaman.
We, you know, show like, what is ayahuasca?
Are you piercing the veil, the spiritual veil that God put up?
Are you conversing with demons?
Is it all evil?
Is it good or evil?
And we don't tell you.
It's not my job.
It's not my job to tell you.
My job is to say, what is all of this?
unidentified
And then you have to decide.
So going back to ayahuasca, you can answer this or not.
Did you partake?
mike cernovich
Oh, I didn't this time, but I have several times over the years.
Yeah, yeah, several.
So I have a pretty strong point of view on it, although it's very conflicted.
So I always tell people stay far away from it.
And then the people who are going to do it aren't going to listen to you anyway.
But it's like, stay away.
Stay away.
And then the guy who is destined for it is going to do it anyway.
But I say, just don't do it.
joe allen
You know, I'm vaguely familiar with the realm that that connects to, but no need to say more.
It is certainly a mixed bag.
I think it's oftentimes overly hyped in the sense that this will heal all of your psychological ailments.
At the same time, anyone who's ever done it knows that there is something to learn.
mike cernovich
Well, there was like a veil.
So many, many years ago, I was atheist or agnostic.
And then once you went over the veil and I said, well, I was wrong.
Okay.
And I'm a fool and I'm foolish.
And I thought I had so many things figured out.
And I'm actually a joke.
Because in the spiritual realm, whatever power you think you have, it's a joke.
We are nothing.
So then I just said, well, spirit world is real.
Christianity seems to bear good fruit.
So I guess I'm Christian.
You know, because you just look around and that seems fine, but that's not really a compelling testimony.
But that's where I ended up.
joe allen
You'll know them by their fruits.
mike cernovich
Right.
And if you look and you just say, well, if you had to pick a religion for people to follow, you would say, well, Christianity seems to be a good one.
All right, you go for it.
You have doubts.
Well, good luck.
Everybody has doubts.
Get over it.
joe allen
Speaking of fruits, Dan Flewett, the mind behind rebels, rogues, and outlaws, has featured you in the book alongside many of the other notorious war room renegades.
The book, just so everyone is aware, the book is available just around the corner if you want to get it signed by anyone who you can grab from the war room posse.
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Be sure to visit him, get your coffee, or if you don't want to carry it around today, go to danfluet.com.
unidentified
That's F-L-U-E-S-I-S-A-D caps.
joe allen
Dan Flewett, all right, gentlemen.
unidentified
Leave it to Joe to butcher it.
It's DoItFluet.com.
But yeah, we have a bunch here.
If you're in the neighborhood and you want to swing by, we'll be doing signings.
And if you hack quick, you can get Mike Cernovich and maybe Joe Allen and Maureen Bannon.
maureen bannon
And it makes a great Christmas present.
I promise it makes a great Christmas present for all of your family members.
unidentified
And I highly recommend you guys follow Mike Cernovich's Twitter because he comes in really hot.
And it's for.
maureen bannon
and we'll be back in a few
unidentified
We're going to do a Korean way of prayer for you.
It's called a praying out loud pray.
We wouldn't want to do that to you and bless you today.
Let's pray.
God!
Thank you for sending your warrior to Korea.
I lift up Charlie, the leader you have raised up in America, to wake up next generation.
May he remember Korea in every step he takes, and may you protect him, Lord, and be with him so that he may fully carry out the mission you have entrusted to him.
And Lord, I thank you for making this gathering possible.
And I give all the glory to you, Lord.
I pray all this name in the name of Jesus.
I pray in the name of Jesus.
Amen.
Let's hear it.
So we had that cold open.
It's from Build Up Korea.
And all three of us were blessed by God to spend Charlie Kirk's last week on earth in Korea.
And Kangmin is a media influencer, and he was there with us.
And so we're just proud to have him.
And I just wanted to ask you about Build Up Korea, how it was with Charlie being there, you know, his last weekend on this earth, and how the Korean people responded to Charlie.
kangmin lee
Yeah, it was really surreal because I had no idea that last weekend, spending time with Charlie Kirk there in Korea, would be the last time that I saw him.
I've been coming to a lot of these events like Amfest and Turning Point events for many years now, and I've talked to Charlie many times.
But then to wake up on that Wednesday morning in Korea with text messages flooded telling me that Charlie's dead, what's going on, what's going on, and I couldn't believe it.
It really rattled me.
But it was such an honor.
It was such an honor to be there with you guys and also be there with Charlie, sharing the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ, but also about what it means to save your nation, what it means to love your nation.
And one thing that Charlie talked about in his speech, which was very profound, was understanding the idea of a nation.
That a nation is not just ideas, is not just an economic zone, but it is a home to a people.
And the Koreans have a home, which is Korea, and they need to fight to protect it.
And one of the greatest ways they can do so is by having lots of children, starting families, and taking back their country.
Because right now, as it stands, Korea is dying, literally and also spiritually.
unidentified
So Korea has, I think, the lowest, they're not having babies.
kangmin lee
The lowest birth rate in the world, yeah.
unidentified
And why do you think that is?
kangmin lee
There's a lot of reasons why, but I talked about this in my speech in Korea: that I believe the biggest problem facing Korea right now is materialism.
And materialism is the reason why people aren't having children.
This is why they're delaying marriage.
Because marriage, children, gets in the way of their future career prospects.
It gets the way of their education, educational attainment, how much money they can make, how much they can advance in a corporation.
And so, if you have a family, if you have children, you have people to provide for.
You have people to care for.
That's time, that's energy, that's resources.
And a lot of Koreans today, unfortunately, they have bought into the God of Mammon.
You know, Jesus, in the scriptures, talks about you can't serve two masters, you can't serve money or God.
And unfortunately, Korea, which was a nation blessed by God in the past 100 years, has unfortunately turned its back against God and has pursued everything, abandoned what's most important in life in pursuit of money.
maureen bannon
And I know sometimes the posse wonders why we talk about other countries besides what's going on here in the United States.
But I know I addressed this in my speech, that we had a stolen election in 2020.
Korea had a stolen election.
It was just a few years later.
So it's not, we're not worlds apart.
We're going through the same things.
And I think that that's what, you might agree, that that's what, that was the common ground is we're all in a fight to save our countries.
It doesn't matter where you are.
We're all in a fight.
unidentified
Yeah, because when we're a nationalist, when we love our nations, right?
It's not because we hate other people.
kangmin lee
We don't hate other nations, but we love our own people.
unidentified
We love our home before others.
And we want to see that in other countries like Japan.
We want to see that in other countries like Italy.
We want to see that all around the world where people put their own countries first and the elected officials, the leaders of each nation puts the interests and the priorities of their own people first.
maureen bannon
Where can everyone find you?
unidentified
Kamman J. Lee on all socials.
I'm a firebrand on X.
I get a little contentious over there, but I'm on Instagram, YouTube, and all the other great places.
He's controversial and a lot of fun.
maureen bannon
And we'll definitely have to have you back on when we have more time.
unidentified
But I just wanted to, I'm just glad that all three of us were in Korea and shared that last weekend with Charlotte.
All right, thank you guys for having me.
maureen bannon
Thank you for joining us.
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