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Dec. 19, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 5008: Live From AMfest Day 1
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eric bolling
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joe allen
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maureen bannon
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ben bergquam
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mike lindell
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eric bolling
All right.
unidentified
Burkwam, Burkwam, Burkwam, Bannon, Maureen, hey everyone.
eric bolling
War room, I'm going to let Maureen introduce the show.
maureen bannon
Well, you're here in the war room.
I'm not going to introduce it like my dad, but thank you guys all for joining us here.
My dad will be here tomorrow, so don't miss out.
I know, I know.
You have the prettier Bannon.
He has the better hair.
eric bolling
Whoa, did you just say the better hair?
maureen bannon
He has the better hair.
unidentified
Yeah, I don't know about that.
Your hair is pretty cool.
eric bolling
You like your hair.
He is amazing.
Steve, speak.
unidentified
When is he speaking?
maureen bannon
So he speaks tomorrow at 6 p.m.
eric bolling
So make sure you see that.
unidentified
Steve Bannon, technically 5.59, but we know it'll be 6 p.m. On the big stage at 5.59, Steve Bannon.
eric bolling
That should be really, really, really interesting.
unidentified
All right.
eric bolling
So tell us about this.
So Brian University, what's going on with Islamic terror in America?
Is anyone else concerned about it as much as we are here at Real America's Voice?
Does anyone think that these incidences are unique and independent of each other?
Or do you think there's some sort of coordination between, I don't know, cells, Iran?
What do you think, Maureen?
maureen bannon
I think there is a correlation, and I think the fact that we're seeing a continuing increase in violence, and especially in this case, I believe, a targeted hit on a conservative.
Ella Cook was a conservative in charge of a college Republican club, and she was killed, I think, for her beliefs.
So I think that, you know, like we were talking about earlier, you can't be afraid to have your voice heard, but we need to get to the bottom of it.
And I don't think we're getting the full transparency.
And there was supposed to be a press conference at 4 p.m. Eastern that was postponed, I believe, indefinitely.
And Joe Allen can address, there's a potential correlation between what happened to MIT and what happened at Brown.
eric bolling
And what happened in the Capitol?
What happened to California?
Another fanatical Muslim kills a service member, and one's still in the hospital, right?
joe allen
Yeah, as far as the shooting in Alston, outside of Boston, it's unclear what the connection is, but certainly the killing of a young, very promising, and very highly respected physicist, it echoes some of the tactics one has seen, for instance, in Iran, in which scientists have been targeted.
So it's all speculation.
No one knows who did it, and no one knows if it's directly connected.
But I think it's ominous in the deepest sense of the word.
It's an omen.
maureen bannon
So they actually, breaking news, they have identified a suspect in the Brown University shooting.
Yes, yes.
According to two law enforcement officials familiar with the case, however, the manhunt for the shooter is still ongoing.
eric bolling
Thank you.
maureen bannon
So they're saying that they've identified the shooter, but then the manhunt still on the loose.
eric bolling
Still on the loose.
joe allen
So no description.
Yeah, no, this is important.
Colger's law.
No description.
So Colbert's law is still in effect.
eric bolling
He's not a Mediterranean looking male anymore, right?
You have to say a suspect.
They, they, them, are on the loose.
joe allen
They, they at the root of every conspiracy is they.
And them.
eric bolling
They, them are on the loose.
So what is more dangerous to us right now?
I mentioned Lara Logan was on the show yesterday talking about the cartels, the danger that the cartels are, not only to our elections, but also to our safety, to our families, to our children with the drugs.
What's more dangerous?
The cartels or fundamental Islamic fanatics?
joe allen
Well, insofar as unpredictable violence, I think it's very clear that Muslim fanatics are a real threat.
Cartels tend to be much more strategic.
They would have an economic or political or gang-related purpose.
So it's very different, but I follow the excellent work of Joe Kent, head of counterterrorism, and it's linked in many ways because the fear or the realistic apprehension that the country has a lot of Islamic cells, a big part of that is that so many people came over the border over the last four years.
And so there's really no way to know how many terrorists of any strike came over the border during that time.
eric bolling
Some said 8,000 or 9,000 across the border.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, it's a guess.
maureen bannon
In that box, withdrawal, we allowed anyone, there was not proper vetting through the State Department to let anyone that claimed to have helped the United States and Afghanistan enter this country.
And then we see what happened.
Someone who came from Afghanistan shot two National Guard soldiers in Washington, D.C., murdering one of them.
So we are seeing an increase.
You're not being properly vetted into this country.
The Biden regime opened a border and said, come on in.
eric bolling
Thoughts on that one?
I'm going to jump in the crowd.
So you guys keep going.
I'm going to go in the crowd to see if the folks have some thoughts.
But keep it going, guys.
joe allen
You know, beyond the identity of perpetrators, the narrative that you hear again and again, the narrative of the evil extremist right-wing terrorist, I think all of the events of the last two years have really put the light of that.
Not that it needed a whole lot more, but everything from Trump in Pennsylvania having an attempt on his life to what happened to Charlie Kirk to the shooting at NDC, what we're seeing right now with Ella Cook.
It's pretty clear that for a variety of reasons, it is not crazy right-wingers who are at the forefront of domestic terrorism in America.
And I think that the sooner that narrative goes away, the sooner we can move towards logical, rational solutions to the violence.
maureen bannon
I think you're right, but I also think that we need to get to the bottom of what happened in these different incidences.
What happened with Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania?
We haven't gotten to the bottom of that.
joe allen
Yes.
maureen bannon
It's been over a year.
joe allen
Yes.
maureen bannon
If we're not getting to the bottom of what happened, then how are we going to expect any transparency or any resolve and anything since then?
joe allen
Yeah, absolutely.
And I think the cultural chaos that you see, I'm not one to shy away from any conspiracy theory.
You could say that my entire career has been spent looking at a variety of open conspiracies.
But in the absence of evidence, right, if you have no detailed official narrative or if the official narrative looks fishy, which is the case in most of these, the only thing people can do is speculate.
And so you have professional speculators who rule the narrative, aka conspiracy theorists.
I mean, it really breeds a culture of suspicion.
And it makes people, let's say, much more likely to behave in insane ways.
What you saw around the Butler Pennsylvania shooting, for instance, it's been a year.
eric bolling
Morning.
We have someone out here who's got a couple of thoughts on what we're talking about right now.
What's your name and where are you from?
unidentified
My name is Angela Armstrong from Ohio.
eric bolling
From Ohio.
Now, I asked a question earlier to Joe.
What are we more fearful of?
Islamic terror, homegrown Islamic terrorists, they've come through the border, or the drug cartels bringing fentanyl and drugs into our country, maybe even killing Americans.
unidentified
They're both equally a concern to me due to the fact that Islamic terrorists, they're raised as children to be killers and be desensitized to human feelings.
The drug cartels, they're all out there for the money.
eric bolling
What's the best defense against drug cartels, Islamic terror, all the threats, even a tyrannical government?
What's the best defense?
unidentified
For me, being pro-gun.
eric bolling
Thank you.
Thank you.
Second Amendment.
Second Amendment, thank you.
unidentified
I actually work for Buckeye Firearms Association, the best pro-gun organization, state of Ohio.
eric bolling
Protecting the Second Amendment.
unidentified
Protecting the Second Amendment.
Dick Heller from D.C. v. Heller's.
Sure, sure, sure.
Good friend of mine.
If you all carry, we're more of a polite society if you're afraid of being shot.
Well, I don't want to be a victim and travel to, let's say, for instance, Hawaii or Chicago or California and be a victim.
They're taking away your human, natural, God-given rights.
Protect yourselves, folks.
eric bolling
So Australia is one of the most difficult countries to be able to own a firearm.
One of the most difficult.
What happened two weeks ago, last weekend, before that?
15, maybe 16 people slaughtered, murdered, because it was a soft target.
First of all, you can't get a gun in Australia.
It's almost impossible.
And then two Muslim extremists, father and son, shoot up a beach filled with people who are celebrating a Hanukkah festival.
It's safe.
Got to protect yourself.
Arm up.
Final thought.
unidentified
Final thought?
Well, you look at Australia.
The gentleman that tackled the guy to take the shotgun away from, I believe it was a shotgun.
He didn't know how to hold it, didn't know how to discharge it.
If he would have done that, that would have made a huge difference with more lives being saved.
There you go.
That's Charlie Kirk's movement.
eric bolling
God bless America.
God bless Charlie Kirk's movement.
God bless that guy who took it upon himself to put himself at risk to save a bunch of lives in Australia.
Back to you guys up there.
maureen bannon
What do you think about what she just said?
joe allen
I think that that's definitely the foundation that needs to begin with.
People aren't allowed to protect themselves and they're not armed to do so.
You fundamentally have a weak country.
But as far as anything regarding Muslim terrorism or gang violence, I don't think the Second Amendment is enough.
At this point, it's a balancing act between civil rights for Americans.
Do we get surveilled?
Are we subject to the sorts of systems that Palantir deploys?
On the other hand, are those systems available to law enforcement and other investigating bodies to actually track down killers?
You would think in a massive digitally saturated surveillance state that we'd be able to find killers just like that.
They found everyone that walked into the Capitol, for instance, but for whatever reason, this is slow roll.
maureen bannon
I agree.
And back to what you said about the narrative that all of these incidences that are occurring are not right-wing extremists.
And the fact that the left is still pushing that narrative, I believe, is causing an increase in these incidences to happen.
joe allen
Yes, absolutely.
And it also gives justification for some of the worst elements of human nature, the celebration around the various killings from the left.
It's pretty horrific.
maureen bannon
I mean, case in point, the seditious six.
As soon as Senator Slotkin went on national television and said that the National Guard was going to start shooting civilians, days later, we see two National Guards shot.
So I believe personally, being on the West Point Board of Visitors, Senator Slotkin is also on the West Point Board of Visitors.
And I think that President Trump, and I believe he has been told this already, that she should be removed effective immediately from the West Point Board of Visitors.
She should not have the right to be on that board if you're going to tell our servicemen and women that they should disobey orders.
And the fact that two service members were harmed because of what she said, she doesn't deserve to be on that board.
joe allen
Amen.
eric bolling
Maureen and Joe, I got, believe it or not, we have President Trump right here.
President Trump, congratulations on the great speech last night.
How do you feel today after the big speech?
Well, we're feeling so great.
How we doing, turning point?
How we doing, ladies and gentlemen?
unidentified
Unbelievable.
AmFest, like America First, AmFest.
eric bolling
It's a great festivity.
joe allen
We're having some.
eric bolling
You're looking great, nice and bronzed.
You're here from Florida.
I am, Mr. President.
Melania's Christmas decorations are stunning this year.
Beautiful.
unidentified
Isn't she amazing, Melania?
eric bolling
Isn't she beautiful?
unidentified
She's so great.
eric bolling
I haven't seen her in a little while.
That's okay, but she's doing great work, and we love that.
Excuse me.
Turn around for a second.
Is this Tucker Carlson?
Tucker?
I mean, I don't really know what that means, actually.
I don't know what that means.
unidentified
What does that mean?
eric bolling
I don't even know who that is.
What's the biggest threat to America right now, Tucker?
Right now?
unidentified
I mean, like it's supposed to be Qatar?
eric bolling
I don't know.
How's the house?
You bought a house in Qatar.
unidentified
It's a beautiful house, and it was built by Israelis because I love Israel and I hate it.
eric bolling
Back to you, Maureen.
joe allen
That was definitely somewhere between.
unidentified
We love America.
That's what we're doing here, folks.
We're doing great.
joe allen
Brilliant performance, but it's somewhere between Tucker Carlson and Mickey Mouse for sure.
maureen bannon
I am happy to see a better Christmas decoration scene up at the White House compared to Dr. Jill Biden's Christmas decorations.
eric bolling
Maureen, you didn't do this when you said doctor.
Doctor.
maureen bannon
Doctor, I'm fighting back having to say that.
eric bolling
We have about 45 seconds.
You know, when we come back, what are we doing when we come back?
You want to do some more with the crowd?
Do you have any thoughts?
maureen bannon
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eric bolling
Wait, wait, what is it?
Bannon, that's the word Bannon B-A-N-H-B-A-N-N-O-N to what?
maureen bannon
989898.
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eric bolling
By the way, an ounce of silver is like $65.
maureen bannon
Once again, I should say it as Dave Bratt says that he's like, Bannon, to 989898.
eric bolling
All right, folks, we'll get to come back.
We have a lot more show for you.
Warroom coming up in two and a half minutes.
We'll be right back.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
joe allen
So, earlier, Eric asked, I need a hype man.
As you know, I'm a real ray of sunshine most days.
maureen bannon
My hype woman was out here somewhere.
I think she left, though.
joe allen
I want to, real quick, if I could give a shout out to the sisters.
Please.
Shout out to the sisters, ladies and gentlemen, please.
All right, earlier, Eric asked the audience if you are for or against AI.
Who is a big fan of AI, artificial intelligence?
Traitors.
Traitors.
How much money are you making from it?
And look at this guy.
Traitor to the human race.
eric bolling
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
Why am I a traitor?
Because I want to ask an AI bot something I can't figure out by myself.
joe allen
Okay, just play it forward in your mind for a moment.
Already, most human culture and a lot of human delusion is mediated through machines, but at least it's human to machine to human or human to human madness.
The future we're looking at is one that just goes machine to human.
Can you imagine in five, ten years, when artificial intelligence is turned to by every human on earth, or at least a majority, for what is real?
What happens then?
What happens when everyone looks to the screen to ask, how do I get well?
God, do you love me?
unidentified
Wait, wait, wait.
eric bolling
So, Joe, let me ask you this.
Would you rather have an AI program telling your surgeon what's wrong with me or having him, I don't know, guess from a radiology, from an X-ray?
joe allen
I think that any tool that can enhance a human's ability is on the table.
Even if, as a writer, I think that AI is just completely verboten.
Any writer who uses AI should have to put AI as a co-author and leave their name on it as a mark of shame.
But a doctor is a very different story.
A soldier is a very different story.
So, to the extent that a doctor can use it, yeah, but if your doctor, if your surgeon is literally taking instructions from an AI, you've got bigger problems than cyborg theocracy.
mike lindell
All right, all right.
joe allen
And now, real quick, how many of you are revolted by artificial intelligence?
eric bolling
Let's get a boo for you.
Ask why, why, why?
unidentified
I love AI.
eric bolling
Oh, she's on IR.
She's on Team Bowling.
unidentified
I am from Oregon.
My name's Janice Daniels.
But I find so many great uses, like when I get a document from the car company and it's got tons of fine print, I just file it into AI and it summarizes all the things.
eric bolling
Summarize?
You send it a five-page document with legalese and say, summarize this in one paragraph where a fifth grader could read it.
unidentified
And it can check the math, too.
eric bolling
It checks the math.
Ben, are you pro-AI or anti-AI?
ben bergquam
I'm mixed.
I've got to be honest.
I'm mixed.
I'm with you on the potential downfalls, Joe, where it could lead to.
But I also see the value in things like that, where it makes your life easier.
And the bigger issue I see is I don't see us stopping it.
And so then the question becomes, how do we use it in a way or control it in a way that adds value but doesn't take away from our society?
joe allen
Real quick on that, you're wearing an ice hat.
ben bergquam
Yeah, yeah, you don't.
unidentified
You guys don't mind.
ben bergquam
Hope you're not offended.
joe allen
No, no, and real quick, so on that note, I can remember basically my entire adult life being told that massive aggression was unstoppable.
This is just the future.
The mixture of all people.
Well, obviously there are solutions, right?
So I think the whole narrative that AI is just the future, it's a good way to get you to roll over and take it lying down.
unidentified
Wait, wait, hold on.
ben bergquam
I think there are controls that need to be in there.
I'm just saying, AI is a broad spectrum idea.
Artificial intelligence on some level.
I mean, that's really computing at the base level.
I don't think you get rid of all of that.
But I do think that we need guardrails.
And we do need to know what is AI and what's not.
All the videos that are out there on social media right now, it's like, so my mom's bringing this stuff to me, and I'm like, mom, obviously AI, but she doesn't know it.
eric bolling
Ben, there are a couple of things.
So number one, there's new technology, Joe, that if you put a video up on the blockchain, do you know if it's legit or not?
Yeah, that's it.
So you'll be able, we'll be more and more good at that.
But which would you rather be in, Maureen and Joe?
A car that's an Uber car that's driven by an illegal that can't speak English or a Waymo, an electric AI car.
joe allen
So I guess technically Uber is already AI, algorithmic immigrants.
eric bolling
Very nice.
joe allen
Personally, personally, even though I think that any of these algorithmic immigrants should already know how to get where they're going and not need to follow it like an ant following a pheromone trail, I would take the human 1,000%.
I had a woman take me or send me on my first Waymo ride the other day.
And I think the absence of the human, the absence even of someone who is proven to be safer, though?
It doesn't, you know, a lot of it's safe and effective.
Don't give me that.
I don't care.
Human life is so much more than quantification.
maureen bannon
Yeah, but Joe, we've seen all these, once again, accidents with illegal immigrants that get CDLs that are causing death and destruction because they can't read a sign on the road.
So I don't know if I'd rather be in a car that had no driver.
You know, I'm in fear for my safety with someone who's an illegal immigrant behind the wheel because I don't know if they can read the sign.
So it's on the other side.
joe allen
I've got an idea.
I've got an idea for a solution.
How about neither robots nor illegal immigrants and American workers having the privilege?
ben bergquam
I thought Joe was going to go there because this is kind of a straw argument because the answer is neither, right?
But at some point as society, we as society get to decide.
And that's why we're here is to compete in the arena of ideas and to say, this is the ideas we like or these are the ideas that we don't.
By the way, I hope you don't mind.
This is my favorite hat.
This is my favorite Christmas gift.
I got this from Houston ICE this year.
And if you're offended, good.
I'm coming for you.
eric bolling
You want to hear from some of the folks?
You want to Waymo, an AI-driven car, no human being, or a human driving your taxi?
unidentified
I'd rather have humans until they can prove the AI works.
I'm kind of mid on AI.
I think it'll do some things well.
Not as good as advertised, but also not as bad as advertised.
I remember you were invoking the dark future in which your surgeon asked ChatGPT for what to do.
What I think is the worse that sort of thing gets, the more the culture will notice and adapt to it.
I heard an example from a history teacher who assigned his students, please generate me a report using ChatGPT, and then do your own research and tell me how much it got wrong.
And the students came back and said, well, now I no longer trust AI.
So the worse it gets, the more people will notice and teach everyone how wrong it actually is.
eric bolling
Question for you guys.
With AI, automatic driving car, human being driverless cars.
Maureen, won't that mitigate some of the DEI and the woke measures that this country and this world wants to put in?
We want to have a certain amount of immigrants.
We want to have a certain amount from this minority driving.
Surgeons getting into the schools.
The more it goes AI, it becomes meritocracy again, does it not?
joe allen
No.
eric bolling
No.
joe allen
Just consider for just a moment.
But the question was for Maureen.
maureen bannon
Go ahead, Joe.
Go ahead, take it.
unidentified
Are you man explaining, Joe?
Are you man explaining now?
joe allen
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
You're going to get me hit over here.
To the extent that AI allows for, look at an Uber, for instance.
The only reason that driver who has no idea where he is has no idea how to communicate with you is because algorithms are feeding him his instructions.
So I think the more that human beings turn the attention and energy towards machines, the less important the humans will be.
I think we need better surgeons, not better AI.
We need better drivers, better teachers, better citizens, not better AI.
That's a pretty firm position, though.
maureen bannon
Have to agree with Joe, even though he was mansplaining.
I do have to agree with him, though.
We need to get away from AI, but we also need to set the bar higher and not allow every illegal that came into the country under the Biden regime to be able to get a license or go to school on our dime and then pass and become a position that they're not qualified for.
So I think that we need to get back to U.S. citizens get driver's license.
U.S. citizens are able to go to college and do all of these things and get away from AI.
ben bergquam
I've got a writer over here that wants to jump in on the conversation if we can.
Young lady.
unidentified
Hi, Ben.
Teresa from Sandpoint, Idaho.
And I saw Sandpoint, Idaho.
Teresa, I want to comment on Joe's comment about AI.
As a writer, it terrifies me because it's going to take away our individual voices.
You cannot duplicate that.
And that's what makes all of those thousands and millions of books out there valuable to someone because they're attracted to that voice.
But we're all going to blend into one sound.
And what are we going to know what's real?
I think someone mentioned about videos.
We don't even know if that's real or not anymore.
And that's frightening.
So no, I'm not a fan.
joe allen
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
joe allen
By the way, here's a glass of Lake Pondre wine to you, madam.
Sandpoint, Idaho, a fantastic place.
They'll be the last to go when the cyborg revolution really.
ben bergquam
Yeah, it's a good place to hide out.
It is a good place to hide out up in Sandpoint.
Anyone else want to jump in on the AI?
eric bolling
Wait, wait, we have a good one.
mike lindell
We have a good one.
ben bergquam
Okay, okay.
eric bolling
Come on, come on, come on, come on.
ben bergquam
Don't be shy.
Don't be shy.
unidentified
No, what I was saying is Uber and Lyft, a lot of Americans actually use those jobs, especially after inflation.
So we just have to get rid of the illegals.
But a lot of Americans actually use that as their source of income that they can't afford with their one job.
maureen bannon
So I don't think taking it away is a good idea.
I kind of agree with you guys on that.
unidentified
Just no illegals.
eric bolling
Yeah, it's common.
I mean, it's who thinks it's a good idea to give a driver's test in 17 different languages when you have to read the sign that says do not enter or one way.
You can't read it.
maureen bannon
So I actually, Eric, I saw a video recently, and it was a driver of an 18-wheeler, and he was stopped on the side of the road.
So a state trooper came up next to him and was asking him questions, and he did not know how to answer because he wasn't from the United States.
He was from China.
And so the state trooper went over the different road signs.
The only one he knew was stop.
He couldn't tell you anything else.
So someone that cannot understand a road sign should not be behind the wheel.
Point blank, period.
unidentified
Run.
maureen bannon
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unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bass.
joe allen
All right, War Room Posse.
Let's hear it for Ben Berkwom.
Woo!
Ben Berkwom has ventured to the border, to the Darien Gap.
He is a man who has fierce courage.
Now, would you like to see Ben Berkwomb replaced by a robot?
It would be safer.
It might be, we call it bot Berkwom.
ben bergquam
Well, I'll tell you what, Joe, the one thing that the competitive advantage, and people always ask me, how do you do what you do?
I'd say the biggest advantage I have is authenticity.
I don't think you can have a robot do that.
And back to the mainstream media, the reason why so many people are leaving the fake news and coming to War Room and coming to Real America's Voice is because of the authenticity that we have.
You don't get that from a robot, AI.
But I am concerned that a lot of jobs, I was out there with the Starbucks baristas that were demanding their rights.
And I went up to them and I just told them, I was like, so you realize you're just asking for your job to be replaced by a robot.
It is concerning.
And you got all these people that don't even know what they're asking for.
The McDonald's worker who says, I want $15 an hour.
And you go into the McDonald's and now it's all kiosks.
Well, you got what you wanted, and now it's a robot.
But no, to answer your question, I don't think a robot could replace me.
unidentified
Boom.
joe allen
Ben Berkwom first.
unidentified
Mike drop.
joe allen
So, Maureen, I've got this issue.
Pretty much my entire personality has been digitized at this point.
Steve hired me, turned me into a robot.
All of my information's out there.
My social security number is digitized.
If I had a home, my title would be digitized.
What am I going to do in a world like this?
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joe allen
Boom.
So, Ben Berkwom, you got a question from the audience.
ben bergquam
Actually, I just wanted to introduce somebody.
For those of you that watch War Room or any of the work we've done, this is a little badge of honor.
So I've got a sheriff's sergeant from California.
She used to not be able to say anything, but she was there when I got arrested for jumping the wall at Gavin Newsom's mansion in California, along with Laura Loomer, to demand sanctuary.
And I walk in there and she's like, What are you doing here?
But, Scar, I just want to ask you, now that you can say something, how bad is it in California?
And what's your prayer for 2026 going out of this?
unidentified
Well, it is bad from California.
And so, since then, I retired and I promptly moved, and I moved to Free Florida.
So, very happy with that.
But I really hope that I really just want people to wake up.
And that's why, you know, I listened to Ben.
I had already been following him.
But just wake up and stop being the sheeple that they tend to be and to just pay attention.
And of course, being from law enforcement, I've got my head on the swivel all the time, and I'm very aware of my surroundings, what have you.
But the general populace is not.
And they just follow and go along to get along.
ben bergquam
Any recommendations, real quick, to people that are here?
A couple things that you should be doing anywhere you go in this age of jihad and radical leftist terrorism?
unidentified
Well, you got to have a plan.
You got to talk about your plan with your family and your friends.
Know who your people are.
Get your go bag.
And whether you're going to bug in or bug out, you got to know where to go and make sure your communication is good.
Make sure you have all the tools.
Water.
We can survive without food, but we need our water.
And just, you know, continue to pray that the Lord will protect us in all whatever happens throughout this country and support each other.
ben bergquam
On behalf of the War Room and Real America's Voice News, to all the sheriffs out there, law enforcement, ICE, Border Patrol, everyone who swears that oath and upholds that oath, God bless you.
We stand with you.
unidentified
Woo!
eric bolling
If you want.
unidentified
Yeah.
eric bolling
We have a couple young people here who are going to weigh in on the AI debate.
Let's start with Dominic.
unidentified
Hi, guys.
It's an honor to be here.
I just want to say with the AI situation, I do believe that it can be used in a positive context for our country, manufacturing.
It can create jobs, but at the same time, we have to make sure that our AI development is focused in America and we can't have it outsourced to countries like China and Russia and have those exploited.
But at the same time, we need to be careful that it cannot get out of control in certain industries and to the point where it can become dangerous and make life-threatening decisions.
For example, if someone wants to say, How do we, just for example, just out there, how do we tackle the climate problem or whatever, and AI could say, Well, the human race is the problem.
And then it could go after the entire human race.
So, my thing is that we need to understand also that AI does not take over the human mind and its conscience.
Because at the end of the day, we're the ones that are sound to each other.
And AI really doesn't have any connection to the human mind.
joe allen
All right, I can just say that's very well said, very well spoken, and very important perspective because it's your problem a lot more than it is mine, right?
You're the one facing that future.
eric bolling
And here's Maria.
unidentified
I'm more neutral to the not really problem of AI, but if you don't come to a conclusion that this is not really a therapeutic problem to solve, but we need to come together and find out what's going on with the inside program because we don't know what we are signing up originally.
eric bolling
This is a great point.
We don't know who I know, it's simulation, right?
So, the AI bots get their understand human emotion by simulation, billions upon billions of simulations.
They'll look at pictures, they'll look at text, they'll see patterns in speech, and they'll understand the emotion that way.
But garbage in, garbage out, right?
You got to be careful who's teaching it, who's feeding what simulations to the AI bots.
Very quickly, these guys want to be on camera.
I'm sorry, we'll go real quick.
What's your name?
unidentified
Fletch.
eric bolling
What's your name?
unidentified
Bryce.
eric bolling
Where are you guys from?
unidentified
California, San Diego.
eric bolling
All right, guys, you're on TV.
That's cool, right?
Back to you.
maureen bannon
What are you guys looking forward to here at Amfest?
unidentified
Seeing Tucker Carlson.
Yeah, Tucker Carlson.
eric bolling
You guys are Tucker fans.
unidentified
All right, all right.
eric bolling
All right, back to you guys.
Back to you guys.
maureen bannon
So, Joe, I can't ever keep up with you.
Where have you been recently and what have you been doing?
joe allen
Well, my last major stop was in San Francisco.
I attended a death cult ritual with former and even current transhumanists who are worried that AI will kill everyone.
And so, they had a solstice celebration.
They're so defiant against God and nature, they celebrated the solstice a week before the actual solstice.
So, the death cult ritual was quite interesting, quite moving.
A lot of people were sad about AI killing everyone.
It got so sad at a certain point, I wish that AI would just come and kill me right then.
Before that, I was in St. Louis with the Tradcaths discussing technology, discussing AI.
But, you know, about six months ago or so, a little bit less, I was here in the Phoenix area.
You guys are familiar with Scottsdale.
Some of you locals are familiar with Scottsdale.
Have you ever been up to the Alcor Life Extension facilities?
Anyone?
It's a pretty neat little side stop on a quest towards the mountains.
So, Alcor Life Extension is just north of here.
And what they do, right now they have 252 human bodies that are frozen in suspended animation.
And the idea is that once technology and especially AI has come to the point that you can reanimate someone, they will then be pulled from their containers, reanimated, and will shamble the earth like oozing zombies.
Sort of like you take a blueberry that's been frozen and you bring it back to life.
So it was actually quite interesting, though.
When I started talking about transhumanism, the president was very clear, sir.
This is not about transhumanism.
This is about science.
And it validated a prediction that I had.
Even when we first started talking about transhumanism on the war room four and a half years ago, I said it was already an out-of-fashion term.
In the future, we won't call it transhumanism.
We'll just call it science and technology.
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unidentified
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joe allen
You had me at Oozing Flood.
eric bolling
Who loves the War Room here?
Leave them very quick.
unidentified
Yeah, hi, it's Leland from South Louisiana.
I've got to ask you, Maureen, do you have a middle name?
joe allen
Point of personal order?
maureen bannon
I do have a middle name.
It's Maureen Elizabeth.
unidentified
So instead of SKB, it's M-M-B-B-E-B.
M-B-B.
eric bolling
M-E-B.
joe allen
M-B-B, that sounds good.
So I see you got bowling walking the floor.
unidentified
Even SKB can't get that done.
eric bolling
I love Steve.
Steve Bannon is my true North MAGA.
joe allen
You know that, right?
eric bolling
Am I too.
Back to you guys.
maureen bannon
Ben.
ben bergquam
Yeah.
So, by the way, you had me, Joe, at Oozing Flesh.
That's just your description.
That was not AI, was it?
You came up with that yourself.
maureen bannon
I told you.
joe allen
Everything is channeled to be flesh.
maureen bannon
I told Joe this earlier that every time he is on War Room, he scares the audience half to death.
ben bergquam
Yeah, you should be able to do that.
maureen bannon
All the live chat.
You're scaring the entire audience.
But you guys all need to hear what Joe has to say.
ben bergquam
It should be a fiction.
Well, I guess it would be a non-fiction horror writer.
joe allen
You know, maybe you could call me a futurist.
A futurist is basically a science fiction writer that has fancy graphs.
ben bergquam
Okay.
All right, I want to jump and bring in another California native over here, Redlands, California.
Greg, what's your question?
unidentified
I don't think that any of you are considering this dynamically.
Not just what AI can do today, but a year from now, five years from now, or ten years from now, what can it do?
So when you said earlier, Ben, they can't replace me.
Want to bet?
And when AI, you already have AI girlfriends that are developing emotions.
ben bergquam
I don't.
unidentified
Well, they exist.
Except.
They develop emotional attachments.
So now expand that for 10 years.
But.
Well, the question is this.
Elon Musk said recently that within 20 years, work will be optional.
If you want a hobby, like gardening, if you want to work, fine.
But you won't have to.
So what does a society look like where no one has to work?
And I think the answer is not very good.
ben bergquam
Yeah, it's terrifying.
joe allen
I think it's pretty clear.
And by the way, good on you, sir, for your critical thinking.
It's going to serve you well and everyone in the next generation.
Yeah, Elon Musk talks about artificial superintelligence as the future God over all of the human race.
He talks about when AI has surpassed human intelligence, there will be only one entity in charge, and that will be a digital entity.
He says that in order to keep pace, we'll need to have Neuralink brain implants or some other kind of implant.
And of course, he says that all work ultimately will be done by robots.
Meaning, as you say, human beings have zero economic value.
The masses of humanity under those conditions would have zero economic value, meaning you have zero negotiating power, meaning you're either going to be a pet or you're going to be biofuel.
And I'm not convinced that that's the future we're looking forward to.
I think it's something quite worse.
I think that waves of propaganda are going out saying that robots will do all the work in the future.
All the intellectual work will be done by artificial intelligence.
I don't think that's going to happen, but what I do think is they are demoralizing an entire generation that is growing up thinking that robots are basically going to be their babysitters or that they're going to be babysitting robots.
I think reality is going to have a lot more harsh conditions than we're being told, and I don't think they're being prepared for those harsh conditions.
ben bergquam
Yeah, we got another one over here.
Come over here.
Got to be in the camera, though.
joe allen
I know this one.
unidentified
Hey, Joe, how are you doing?
So you're describing a future where people have no autonomy, no will.
What do they think they're going to do with all these people that have been disenfranchised with no motivation to create or do or be?
They're going to be a lot of frustrated people, and that could either have a possibility to encourage people to be excellent, but it's also going to cause a lot of people to be very angry and frustrated.
So what do they think they're going to do with all of us?
Have you heard any comments from the sociopathic overlords on that point?
joe allen
Well, in the 20 seconds we have left, I just want to put a term out there for you: art-elect war.
maureen bannon
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unidentified
Waroo, here's your host, Stephen K. Bass.
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Welcome back, Warup Pase!
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Where do I put this meager amount of money I even have?
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joe allen
And Ben Berkwan, we have.
If you could restate the question.
ben bergquam
Great question.
Great question.
And this is the big concern.
unidentified
Yeah, thanks, guys.
I just wanted to know if our sociopathic overlords have stipulated what they're going to do with all the billions of disfranchised people who are no longer economically viable, allowed to be creative, allowed to contribute in any way, shape, or form because they've been replaced.
Seems to me that that might have a lot of unintended consequences, including possibly uniting everyone.
So have they spoken to that?
joe allen
Yeah, Ben, could you just restate that?
I'm having a very hard time.
ben bergquam
So what are they going to do with all of us peons when we have no purpose anymore?
The overlords over AI?
joe allen
Yeah, I mean, you would be.
ben bergquam
Did I get that right?
unidentified
Okay.
joe allen
You would either be the source of training data or you would be a pet or you would be biofuel.
If you have a society in which people are just allowed to breed with no use whatsoever and the machine is feeding them endless amounts of soylent smoothie, at some point or another, the people who run the system are going to think, well, why are we keeping them alive?
Maybe this generation, maybe the next, maybe the next.
I think to the extent anyone has convinced you that living on universal basic income in your pod with your soylent smoothie and virtual reality is any kind of future, you're already cooked.
I know you are not, but I think that the plan, by and large, is to spend people on this utopian dream.
And ultimately, I don't think it'll come to realization.
It's going to be a real, real big problem.
ben bergquam
Yeah, it is.
You know, one of the things, you look at all the people on welfare that expect that check every month from government.
And then when it doesn't come, the immediate violence that we see.
I mean, we saw that with SNAP.
All these people that are just dependent on the government.
And then they say, oh, if you don't give it to me, I'm going to go rob you.
I mean, we're heading towards some dangerous, scary times.
I don't see that as a positive potential for the future for this nation in any way.
joe allen
But enough of us will make it.
Enough of us will make it.
Buy land.
eric bolling
Work the technology has been.
We're removing kinetic warfare.
We're using drone strikes instead of human beings.
These are wonderful developments, which wouldn't happen without high-level technology.
joe allen
It's a tough one because, yes, it does save American lives for now, but as other nations also develop them, as you have more and more technology transfer, it doesn't take a really vivid imagination to see where this all goes.
Fully autonomous weapon systems with people in charge of them with very little ethical reasoning.
Nightmare world.
maureen bannon
Joe, I know you have to balance, so can you give everyone your coordinates where they can find you?
joe allen
Well, I am right now heading over to the Rumble stage to answer even more difficult questions.
And I'm also simultaneously jumping into the time machine/slash teleporter.
And we'll be doing War Room tonight at 6 p.m. War Room Battleground, cyborg theocracy, visions of an all-powerful machine.
Stay tuned.
eric bolling
You're AI.
joe allen
Or stay tuned over here.
eric bolling
Joe's.
unidentified
Joe's AI.
eric bolling
He's a robot.
He's got a double.
maureen bannon
And I know, I believe we have Mike Lindell.
Mike, can you hear us?
mike lindell
Yes, I can.
I wish I was with you all.
I'm busy back here running for governor of Minnesota now.
eric bolling
Oh, Mike Lundell said he's running for governor.
Mike Lindell running for governor of Minnesota now.
maureen bannon
I think Minnesota's in good hands with Mike Lundell as governor.
That's just my theory.
eric bolling
Mike, tampons in the men's room in Minnesota under Governor Mike Lundell, yes or no?
mike lindell
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unidentified
So.
maureen bannon
Thank you, Mike, and we'll see you tomorrow.
eric bolling
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maureen bannon
Eric, in the last minute or so, what are you looking forward to here at Amfest this weekend?
eric bolling
I'm literally, I'm loving this.
Just walking around this crowd is really inspiring.
Young people want to talk about conservative values again.
It's amazing.
And that's an honor to Charlie Kirk, to his legacy, to everything Turning Point USA has been doing.
And really, folks, Rav putting this stage up here means a lot.
And Steve and everyone coming out here as well means a lot.
maureen bannon
I agree with you.
And it is a bittersweet Amfest because Charlie's not here.
But I think that he would be smile.
I know he's smiling up in heaven seeing everyone here and that everyone is not staying silent, that they're continuing to fight.
So from here, I know Main Stage is starting very shortly if they haven't already started already, but we're tossing to just the news.
So stick around on RAV to just the news with John Solomon or go over to Rumble or Getter to Bannon's War Room for our 6 p.m. show, which Joe Allen will be the host of.
So he'll scare you guys with some more AI.
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