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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. | ||
| Here's not got a free shot. | ||
| All these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you're going to like hearing that. | ||
| I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
| MAGA media. | ||
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
| Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | ||
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Battle. | ||
| Thursday, 18 December, Year of the Lord, 2025. | ||
| You're around for the second hour of the morning edition of the War Room. | ||
| Sam Tannenhaus is going to join us in a moment. | ||
| Our continual discussion about Bill Buckley and his revolution. | ||
| Gabe Kaminsky joins right now from the free press. | ||
| And just Senator Dipsy worked out. | ||
| It came after this print and after Dr. Peter Nvar and E.J. Antoni. | ||
| So, Gabe, one of the foundational elements of President Trump's economic policy is full-spectrum energy dominance, right? | ||
| You just heard Peter say right there, there's all kind of issues now with refineries, all this. | ||
| It turns out you've got an exclusive report, if we can put it up on the free press, that it turns out a lot of these climate groups and do-gooder groups are in association with the Chinese Communist Party, and they are quite deep into American energy policy. | ||
| And now at the state level, people are waking up to this. | ||
| Can you walk us through your exclusive investigative report, sir? | ||
| Yeah, thanks for having me. | ||
| That's according to what you just said there. | ||
| That's according to 26 Republican attorneys general. | ||
| So we had reported at the free press that these top law enforcement officials sent a letter to the Department of Justice this week requesting that Attorney General Pam Bondi investigate whether a few different climate nonprofits in the United States focused on climate change or environmental causes may have failed to register under the Foreign Agents and Registration Act, also known as FARA, on behalf of China. | ||
| And so effectively, these top law enforcement officials are accusing U.S. nonprofits of acting as foreign agents or sort of like secret lobbyists for the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| And the basis for that, according to these officials, is that, for example, one of these nonprofits, it's called the Energy Foundation China. | ||
| It's based in San Francisco, but it also has an office in Beijing where it employs a whole host of former Chinese government officials and is supervised by China's government directly because it is registered in Beijing with China's nonprofit agency. | ||
| And coupled with the Energy Foundation, China's advocacy in the United States related to anti-oil litigation or congressional related advocacy that is against fossil fuel and production of oil. | ||
| The Attorneys General think that this group and others should have to register under FARA. | ||
| I mean, it's not just that they're a group and they're taking money or may association. | ||
| When you actually go after FARA, you're saying that their purpose, right, is to represent the interest of another country, in this case, the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| How did it get? | ||
| Because these things just didn't appear yesterday. | ||
| How long has this been going on? | ||
| And how have other DOJ officials and other state officials looked the other way on this? | ||
| So the interesting thing about the Energy Foundation China is that this scrutiny is not new. | ||
| This is a charity that has been registered with the IRS since 1991. | ||
| And over the past five years, roughly, there has been heightened scrutiny of them, particularly among Republicans who are hawkish on China and believe that Beijing is indirectly or directly propping up groups in the United States that have this anti-oil agenda that is aiming to boost China, which is, I mean, China, trade tensions have, you know, you just had Peter Navarro on who was talking about trade tensions. | ||
| Trade tensions have continued to escalate between the United States and China. | ||
| Beijing has been continuing to import oil from adversary, other adversaries of the United States, like Venezuela. | ||
| And so coupled with that, and the other sort of leg of this is that there has been heightened scrutiny in the United States of climate-related organizations engaged in disruptive sort of protests in Washington, D.C., where I live. | ||
| The congressional baseball game every few years now. | ||
| There's climate protesters running on the field around the world. | ||
| There's been reporting about climate protesters throwing paint at fine art or gluing themselves to streets or cars, which has only led American officials to believe this is a national security issue, a national security issue pinged to oil and energy. | ||
| And so the funding is aiming to look into that further. | ||
| No, I mean, they're trying to stop refineries, make the cost of American energy because it makes us anticompetitive. | ||
| This is a group, the Chinese Communist Party has a $1 trillion trade surplus this year annually. | ||
| Folks, think about that. | ||
| You talk about adversaries. | ||
| Venezuela is bad enough, but I said this, even if you don't want to get in the middle of the Israeli situation in the Middle East, I've been saying the Iranians, the Mulas are in business for one reason. | ||
| They basically have long-term output deals with the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| I think Iran or the Persians provide 50 or 60% of the energy for the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| I mean, the Chinese Communist Party has a total master plan geopolitically. | ||
| Part of it is to hurt the United States when it comes to Trump's full-spectrum energy dominance. | ||
| Gabe, do you expect action to be taken? | ||
| You said this has been reviewed for a while. | ||
| You got 26 AGs. | ||
| Now it's at Pam Bondi. | ||
| She's swamped with so much. | ||
| We're arguing that DOJ's got to get up to Brown University. | ||
| Every day we're banging on them. | ||
| We love these folks, but there's just so much to do. | ||
| Are they going to have inside the group over there, are they going to have the capacity to actually take on the CCP? | ||
| I reached out to the Department of Justice. | ||
| I did not hear back. | ||
| If you, Steve, if you hear anything from people, the DOJ, you know, let us all know. | ||
| But generally, FARA has long been a dormant office. | ||
| In fact, for decades from about 1988 to 2016, there were, I believe, under or around 10 FARA prosecutions as a whole, which really shows how much of an obscure law it's been viewed. | ||
| That ramped up post-2016. | ||
| But right now, after Attorney General Pambondi issued a memo after she joined the Trump administration that signaled to law firms and lobbying firms in Washington that the DOJ was only focusing on the most serious, what they determined to be the most serious FARA offenses, what they determined to be cases that are treason or espionage. | ||
| And so on that basis, it's really not clear if the Department of Justice would put the resources into focusing on this. | ||
| But we have not heard back from the DOJ. | ||
| And my understanding from the state attorneys general is that they do, you know, it's a significant amount of states that called for this action, and they do aim to have conversations with the DOJ to force this issue. | ||
| Gabe, where do people get you? | ||
| Where do they get your rings at Free Press and where they find your social media, sir? | ||
| Yeah, you can read all my and my colleagues' reporting at thefp.com and follow me on X at GE Kamitsky. | ||
| Brother, thank you so much, Kaminsky. | ||
| It was fantastic. | ||
| Great report. | ||
| We're going to push it out and we'll check in with DOJ to make sure there's some action being taken. | ||
| Let us know. | ||
| Sam Tannenhaus, Marxism, Communism, Bill Buckley, with Whitaker Chambers and others, fully supported McCarthy because they realized after the defeat of the fascist, Imperial Japan, the Nazis, and the Italian fascists, that communism, right? | ||
| And one of them was our ally, another one really wasn't, that communism was going to be a massive, massive problem, and there's going to be a global conflict. | ||
| So he wrote a book, Was McCarthy and His Enemies? | ||
| Buckley did. | ||
| Walk me through that because he's, you know, you see today, you know, we have Navarra up here about the trade deficit, you know, the trade surplus of a trillion dollars by the CCP. | ||
| You got Kaminsky saying, hey, they got people everywhere trying to do everything to bring the United States down, including going after President Trump's energy policy. | ||
| Buckley was a devout Catholic and a hardcore anti-communist. | ||
| Was he not just like Joe McCarthy? | ||
| He was, and he liked McCarthy. | ||
| They met at Yale when Bill Buckley was an undergraduate. | ||
| Joe McCarthy came and gave a talk there in 1948. | ||
| Buckley was involved with a political union there, campus group, the Republican Party, the party of the right, conservatives. | ||
| And they always liked to have big speakers come through 1948, important midterm elections. | ||
| We know all about those. | ||
| And the only guy they could get was Joe McCarthy, who wasn't famous yet. | ||
| But he was getting on to this issue of anti-communism, of how much the gatekeepers were withholding about what they really knew. | ||
| That's what McCarthy was about. | ||
| How many communists are there, really? | ||
| Who are the names? | ||
| Let's have them. | ||
| And he was very aggressive about it. | ||
| And Buckley agreed with him. | ||
| And in fact, his main mentor, a guy named Wilmore Kendall, brilliant political scientist, one of the most talented thinkers of that era, still read today, Steve, said to Buckley, watch this guy, McCarthy. | ||
| He's stirring something. | ||
| He's stirring something. | ||
| He's reaching the people with his argument, not the elites. | ||
| He's reaching the public. | ||
| And another one of Buckley's mentors, another intellectual giant, James Burnham, said the same thing. | ||
| And he said, keep your eye on McCarthy. | ||
| McCarthy is not going to get everything right, but he's going to ask the big questions. | ||
| He's going to push it out with the public and see it. | ||
| So Buckley said, I'm down with that. | ||
| And he and his brother-in-law, Brent Bozell, very important figure, in some ways, as important as Buckley as a thinker. | ||
| They decide what's happening to McCarthy is that the opposition, the enemies, as they called them, is controlling the debate. | ||
| They're saying, no, let's not listen to what McCarthy says. | ||
| Let's take McCarthy himself down. | ||
| Who is Joe McCarthy? | ||
| He's getting X wrong. | ||
| He's getting Y wrong. | ||
| He's inventing stuff. | ||
| He doesn't have the goods. | ||
| Meanwhile, McCarthy's getting documentation from the FBI, Jack Hoover. | ||
| And they realized, Buckley and Bozell, that McCarthy himself was becoming the object of attack. | ||
| And they said, why is that happening? | ||
| It's because liberals control the media. | ||
| That's how Buckley came up with the idea of founding National Review. | ||
| It will be the beachhead. | ||
| It will be the counter argument that'll be airtight, super smart, really fun to read, that's going to stand up against the liberal tide and make that case for the anti-communism. | ||
| That's how it came to be. | ||
| And it was the greatest publication, conservative publication of its time. | ||
| I'm going to get to National Review in a minute. | ||
| You say something in the book that really hit me in the solar plexus. | ||
| And it goes back to last night. | ||
| You said they couldn't figure out because he had gone and it was Claire Booth Luce, Luce's wife of Time magazine, that he saw speak at one of the Republican conventions. | ||
| And she was so magnificent. | ||
| She had wit. | ||
| She had class. | ||
| She knew how to put the rapier in. | ||
| She had everything as a speaker. | ||
| And he realized that McCarthy did the exact opposite. | ||
| But I think somebody told him that the power of McCarthy wasn't his rhetoric. | ||
| He wasn't a great speaker, but he had a power. | ||
| And his superpower was he said things that the working class and middle class audience themselves were thinking but wouldn't say. | ||
| Very much a forerunner of Donald Trump, is he not? | ||
| Yeah, I'll give you an example of that, Steve. | ||
| Probably the greatest intellectual in the Buckley orbit was this philosopher and scholar, James Burnham, whose book, The Manager or Revolution, I think we talked about this, inspired George Orwell's 1984. | ||
| Burnham did a thing every year. | ||
| He was very much an elite guy, top of his class at Princeton, educated at Oxford after that, professor at NYU, Georgetown apartment. | ||
| He would take a trip. | ||
| He'd take a road trip for about six weeks and he'd go out to the country and he'd talk to regular people. | ||
| And they would say, the communism thing doesn't seem that hard to us. | ||
| Why don't we just get rid of them? | ||
| Why are we creating a talking shop about them? | ||
| They're coming after us. | ||
| Why don't we go after them in return? | ||
| And Burnham says, they're right. | ||
| They're right. | ||
| That, by the way, is the origin of Buckley's really probably most famous comment. | ||
| I'd rather be governed by the first 2,000 names in the Boston telephone book than by the faculty of Harvard University. | ||
| It began with that, that if you listen, Buckley was a fantastic listener. | ||
| People remember how much style he had as a talker. | ||
| Great listener. | ||
| He's hearing something else coming out there from the people in also at his church. | ||
| Goes to church every Sunday, right? | ||
| His mother was a daily communicant. | ||
| You know what that means. | ||
| She went to Mass every single day. | ||
| Buckley's very close to her. | ||
| He didn't go every day. | ||
| On Sunday, he wanted to hear the old classic Latin Mass. | ||
| He's an altar boy. | ||
| His fellow parishioners, they are not rich guys in Connecticut. | ||
| It's the working class and middle class. | ||
| Buckley actually has a lot more in common with them than people realize. | ||
| And so does Joe McCarthy. | ||
| I'll add one more name to this thing, Stephen. | ||
| It's interesting. | ||
| William Casey. | ||
| Yeah, go ahead. | ||
| Go ahead. | ||
| Hang on, Sam. | ||
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| Sam Tannenhaus, continue on, sir. | ||
| Well, so they realize McCarthy's the voice they need, but you have to be careful because you have a large media landscape, what we call an ecosystem. | ||
| It's a lot different back then. | ||
| It's very easy to get cornered as being extremist, militant, and not permitted into the conversation. | ||
| You know, Buckley called them the racket club rules, right? | ||
| Which is great because Buckley comes out of that background himself. | ||
| And that's the genius of it. | ||
| So he can, he can, now we call it, Steve, we call it code switching, right? | ||
| You can talk to different groups of people in different ways. | ||
| Buckley was a genius at that, again, because he's a great listener. | ||
| I want to say something, by the way, about President Trump that I think gets missed. | ||
| I was just telling a reporter this. | ||
| Trump is a much better listener than people realize. | ||
| Look how much of that first campaign came out of the talk radio he was absorbing. | ||
| I mean, where do you think that language comes from? | ||
| You know, I wrote a piece, you may remember about Josh Green's book about you, you and Donald Trump, number one bestseller. | ||
| And I mentioned how some of the language the candidate Trump used about the border came out of the language of Border Patrol people at the time, 2015, 16, but was treated as this outrageous kind of provocation. | ||
| And people heard that language who were involved in border enforcement. | ||
| This guy actually sounds like us. | ||
| That was part of Buckley's thing, right? | ||
| He's a great verbal guy. | ||
| He's a word guy. | ||
| He's a listener. | ||
| He's an excellent musician. | ||
| He speaks all these languages. | ||
| Everything comes to him through his ears. | ||
| He hears things and then turns them around, figures out how to do his own take on them. | ||
| And McCarthy was the guy who unlocked the mystery for how to get the public to understand this threat. | ||
| And going forward, he realized, too, something important and something very important for us today. | ||
| Alex Jones on the show last night in ending his analysis of the speech said, cry havoc and unleash the dogs of information warfare. | ||
| Buckley and Bozell and the rest realize in McCarthy getting banged up that it wasn't that he didn't have the facts. | ||
| It wasn't that he didn't have a thing that people would rally around, but he had let other people craft the narrative or put the architecture around the narrative. | ||
| And that's eventually what destroyed him. | ||
| And they were determined not to allow that to happen to the conservative movement. | ||
| Is that generally true? | ||
| Yeah, I'll tell you how Buckley knew this too, Steve. | ||
| It's an episode in the book, really important. | ||
| After Edward R. Murrow, you know, the great CBS broadcaster went after McCarthy, which he began to do, by the way, after McCarthy had begun to slide, right? | ||
| He's very shrewd then. | ||
| In the spring of 1954, he went after McCarthy very hard. | ||
| And Buckley had been writing this book with Bozell. | ||
| They're going through dossiers. | ||
| If you look at this book, it was a bestseller, but one reason people were surprised by it, and McCarthy himself had trouble reading it, was it was so densely footnoted. | ||
| You know, it's constructed out of all these particular investigations of people's ideological histories, of their possible compromises when they're working in government and all the rest. | ||
| And so Buckley had all the date as a young guy. | ||
| He's a great debater, probably the greatest debater of his time. | ||
| So Edward R. Murrow says to McCarthy, well, if you don't like, he said this on the air, how I've been treated, you can come on and rebut me. | ||
| Well, McCarthy is now barnstorming through Wisconsin. | ||
| Elections coming up, 1954. | ||
| McCarthy is the number one draw, by the way, for the Republicans in the midterms. | ||
| So Buckley said, McCarthy says, well, I don't, I don't have time to talk to you, but I know a young guy who does. | ||
| Bill Buckley will go on the air and refute you for 30 minutes. | ||
| Buckley told me he's sitting at home watching on TV the TV news. | ||
| And McCarthy says this. | ||
| He almost falls off his chair. | ||
| He says, so they're going to let me go on the air and make the case for McCarthy's crusade? | ||
| And then what happens? | ||
| Murrow sends a telegram that says, this extension, Senator, this invitation, Senator McCarthy, is only for you. | ||
| You can't have somebody else come on and make the case instead, because he knew very well that if Buckley had that half hour, he'd be able to make a really strong case. | ||
| He wanted nothing to do with Buckley. | ||
| That's one reason Buckley had to start the magazine. | ||
| If they're not going to platform him, as we say, in the mainstream media, where's he going to make the case? | ||
| Start your own magazine. | ||
| Just like nowadays, people start their own podcast, they go online. | ||
| Buckley was a pioneer of all that. | ||
| If they won't let you in into the club, start your own club. | ||
| Let's talk about that. | ||
| National Review gets started, and then there's this issue, I guess, in the late 50s or maybe early 60s. | ||
| And it kind of is not directly analogous, but it's some of the things that are going on today where Tucker has somebody on his podcast, Nick Fuentes or others, and people melt down about it. | ||
| McCarthy, and walk us through how this happened, because you had many elements in this coalition, and he realized you needed a coalition. | ||
| But you had the John Birchers, which I will say, if you look back over some of the stuff before the Birchers maybe got a little too crazy, a lot of the stuff that Birchers stood for turned out to be right. | ||
| You also had the objectivist, Ayn Rand. | ||
| I'm not a libertarian, but it did have Alan Greenspan in there. | ||
| And you might say, hey, it was kind of a weird cult, but they had some of the biggest thinkers. | ||
| In fact, a guy that was one of the most powerful Federal Reserve chairs ever. | ||
| Buckley made a decision at some point in time that they needed to go. | ||
| He needed to have the platform that determined who was in or who was out, who actually got heard and who didn't get heard. | ||
| Can you walk us through that? | ||
| Yeah, here's what happened, Steve. | ||
| Buckley knew Ayn Rand. | ||
| He'd met her through anti-communist circles in the 50s. | ||
| And he also knew Robert Welch, the founder of the John Birch Society. | ||
| It was really begun in a secret meeting in Indianapolis, late 1958, organization start in 1959. | ||
| Buckley supported Robert Welch and the Birch Society for a couple of years. | ||
| He thought they were great. | ||
| They're getting the grassroots people out there. | ||
| Who's going to knock on the doors to get people to the polls on primary day? | ||
| Who's going to get them out to vote for conservative candidates? | ||
| Welch was doing this through his organization. | ||
| Ayn Rand, Buckley was a little, he was like you. | ||
| You know, he's not sure. | ||
| He loves the totally libertarian atheist argument. | ||
| The first time Buckley met Ayn Rand, Buckley said this, she said to him, Mr. Buckley, you're too intelligent to believe in God. | ||
| Buckley said, I didn't love hearing that. | ||
| You know, he liked your first novel, The Fountainhead. | ||
| But then when Atlas Shrugged came out, that's her magnum opus. | ||
| Buckley was uncomfortable with it because of the atheism, because he thinks anti-communism, and Ayn Rand was a Russian emigrant, a Jewish Russian emigrant. | ||
| He thinks it has to be fought through a kind of moral religious crusade. | ||
| So he says, All right, who's the best writer I've got who can take down Ayn Rand? | ||
| Oh, I know Whitaker Chambers, one of the greatest writers alive. | ||
| So he takes Ayn Rand down in National Review. | ||
| Now, that was in 1957. | ||
| The Birchers come next. | ||
| And Buckley, if you look, and I have this in the book, if you look at the early issues of National Review when the John Birch Society was founded, Buckley was all for it. | ||
| He says, This guy's organizing at the grassroots level. | ||
| Buckley and his friends will do the intellectual combat, right? | ||
| Buckley would go to campus, and I'm hearing now from people who say that you remind him of Charlie Kirk. | ||
| Go on campus, bring your best debater on. | ||
| I will take him on. | ||
| But there are other people who aren't on college campuses. | ||
| And the John Birch Society through Robert Welch is organizing them in chapters. | ||
| It's actually modeled. | ||
| Welch did not deny this. | ||
| In fact, he was proud of it. | ||
| It's modeled on the American Communist Party. | ||
| We're going to have small cells. | ||
| We're going to educate people in the community and then we'll carry the fight. | ||
| Hey, you got some leftists on your school board there. | ||
| Do we really want them? | ||
| Let's have a campaign. | ||
| Let's have a vote. | ||
| So Buckley likes them. | ||
| But then what happens is, and we know about this, you're right, Steve. | ||
| This is where the parallel comes in. | ||
| In his own writings, Welch was very conspiratorial-minded. | ||
| You know, now look, Vice President Vance just told us, I believe in conspiracies that are true. | ||
| Well, Welch got involved in a conspiracy that wasn't true. | ||
| He was really convinced that Dwight Eisenhower was a communist agent. | ||
| And Buckley at first said, so what? | ||
| If that's what he thinks, he's allowed to think it. | ||
| The, as they called them, the little old ladies in tennis sneakers and the retired generals and businessmen in small towns, who are, by the way, the backbone of the John Birch Society, right? | ||
| These are very upstanding citizens, right? | ||
| He says, they're not saying this stuff. | ||
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| Well, the media took advantage of that. | ||
| Hang on for a second. | ||
| I want to get to the punchline after a short break. | ||
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| Buckley, the life and the revolution that changed America. | ||
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| These are so good. | ||
| I could sit here all day and do it. | ||
| Well, no, hang on, hang on. | ||
| First off, first off, the book just got, audience, we never give you chopped liver here. | ||
| The book just got nominated for one of the most or the most prestigious award in biography. | ||
| What is it? | ||
| It's called the National Book Critics Circle Award, Steve. | ||
| It's Critics Across the Country. | ||
| So it's one of 10 books. | ||
| They're all great books, obviously. | ||
| But there it is. | ||
| And the publisher told me about this the other day. | ||
| Very pleased about it. | ||
| So this is their long list. | ||
| Then they cut it down to another group and the winner will be announced. | ||
| And prices are nice. | ||
| I mean, I've been up for a few. | ||
| I've even won one or two. | ||
| And it's great. | ||
| But it's really about getting the book out there. | ||
| So readers get at it. | ||
| And so this is, you know, it's like a certification, a gold seal, you know. | ||
| So that's, so I'm very happy about that. | ||
| But let's get on to the important stuff here, which is that Buckley realizes that the John Burch Society is doing really good work and he's all for them. | ||
| The problem is Welch has got these extreme theories. | ||
| And while the rank and file don't pay attention to them, guess who does? | ||
| The media is all over it. | ||
| And so they create stories. | ||
| They're publishing stories all the time. | ||
| Give an example. | ||
| You know, we think we're living in sort of extreme times now. | ||
| In 1959, or a little later, 1960, 61, the John Burch Society is now really big. | ||
| And it's, you know, at the most, maybe it's 40 or 50,000 members. | ||
| It could be less than that. | ||
| Some have said as many as 100,000. | ||
| But that's enough if they're organized to make a difference in politics and in communities, which is what they're all about. | ||
| So Robert Welch announces they're going to have a college competition to see who can write the best essay saying the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, Earl Warren, should be impeached. | ||
| And it's going to be an essay that makes the constitutional or case for removing him. | ||
| The New York Times reported that on page one, as if it's an invasion coming from Mars. | ||
| It's an essay contest, but they managed to scare people about it. | ||
| And Welch himself doesn't get it. | ||
| He viewed himself as an educator, right? | ||
| Well, this is in my book. | ||
| So Buckley says, okay, now we have a problem. | ||
| The problem. | ||
| But hang on, hang on. | ||
| I want to bring up, I want to bring, because this is analogous to the Trump movement. | ||
| And people don't lose this. | ||
| The two things that Welch went after, Eisenhower, and there was, it sounds crazy on the surface, but he did have some logic to it, internal logic. | ||
| It made sense to him. | ||
| Eisenhower was a Republican president. | ||
| Earl Warren was a Republican Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. | ||
| It's not like he's going after, he's going after people that they considered the established order of the Republican and Conservative Party, correct? | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Earl Warren was put on the Supreme Court in part because he had been a pretty strong contender in 1952 to be president. | ||
| He'd been on the Republican ticket as a vice president in 1948. | ||
| He's Republican establishment. | ||
| One of his protégés, a guy named William Noland, Bill Noland, was far to the right of Nixon from California. | ||
| It's the Republican establishment. | ||
| The National Review and Buckley had their own term for it. | ||
| They called it the liberal establishment, capital L, capital E. You had to keep telling the editors at random house, no, you can't lowercase it. | ||
| It's liberal establishment because they saw it as going across both parties. | ||
| You know, kind of what we would call a blob or something or deep state today, that if you go in the big kind of muddle middle, the two parties kind of sound like each other. | ||
| This is what Buckley's genius was to lead an insurgency against it. | ||
| You wouldn't know anything about that, Steve. | ||
| They didn't have a conservative, they didn't have conservatism ink back then. | ||
| You know, you and some other people came up with that term. | ||
| It didn't exist. | ||
| It didn't exist when I wrote my little book on conservatism 15 years ago on how the establishment was coming apart. | ||
| I didn't think, I didn't use that term. | ||
| It didn't exist. | ||
| Well, Buckley and company see the same thing. | ||
| Robert Welch, they realize is very effective, but they also know that establishment is going to do what you always do with a movement is you go with the person at the top. | ||
| Buckley first wrote a brilliant defense of Robert Welch, defense in Nash Review, 1961. | ||
| And he says, listen, what liberals like even less than a weak conservative movement is a strong conservative movement. | ||
| That's their fear. | ||
| And Welch is making it stronger. | ||
| But once Welch himself became super vulnerable, because he can't stop himself, he goes on television and he starts repeating this stuff about Eisenhower. | ||
| And Buckley and others are saying, this is not going to work. | ||
| So, Steve, here's who got together in a private hotel room in, interesting, wait for it, Palm Beach to figure out what to do about it. | ||
| Bill Buckley was one. | ||
| The great conservative writer and thinker Russell Kirk was another. | ||
| And a senator who is kind of making waves from Arizona who comes in dressed like a cowboy named Barry Goldwater. | ||
| Buckley wrote a great account of it, a reminiscence to the end of his life. | ||
| And he said, Barry Goldwater had a briefcase, but if he ever opened it that entire meeting at the Breakers, I never saw him do it. | ||
| They're there and they agree. | ||
| Welch is the problem, not the Birchers, Welch himself. | ||
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So Buckley even warned him because he liked Welch. | |
| Buckley kind of liked everybody. | ||
| And he said, look, you're going to see me coming after you. | ||
| I am not coming after the organization, but I'm saying we have a problem with you. | ||
| So they organized. | ||
| Buckley wrote the great attack on him in National Review. | ||
| Russell Kirk, who was super respected in the intellectual world, wrote articles in America, liberal Jesuit Catholic magazine, going after Welch. | ||
| And Goldwater told reporters, he told journalists, we need to get rid of this guy. | ||
| What do the reporters in the mainstream press do? | ||
| They leave it out on their stories in Goldwater. | ||
| They want to still pin the Birchers on him. | ||
| Goldwater couldn't believe it. | ||
| He said, I talked to this guy from the New York Times and I told him we're getting rid of Welch and he wouldn't report it. | ||
| So you think this stuff happens in later times. | ||
| It was happening even more back then. | ||
| So Buckley realized we're in it alone. | ||
| We're going to have to make the case in a way that will finally get some props from the establishment. | ||
| So Buckley wrote this brilliant, like five or six page analysis of all the holes in Welch's arguments. | ||
| And he finally starts to get some credit from really the most important columnist of the time, James Reston at the New York Times. | ||
| Says Buckley has written a brilliant dismantling. | ||
| So here's a lesson they all learned, Steve, which I found when I was an editor. | ||
| I was an op editor at the New York Times. | ||
| And I would call conservatives and they would say, I just fell off the chair. | ||
| I can't believe they heard you. | ||
| And the reasons, they thought they would only get approached to write about something when they went after the wrong side. | ||
| And so I would say, no, we want to hear other things you have to say too. | ||
| But things had opened up. | ||
| This is like the 90s. | ||
| You know, it was still a long time ago, but not back in the 60s. | ||
| So Buckley saw they had to push Welch out. | ||
| That brought in 1,200 angry letters from subscribers. | ||
| And it really damaged National Review for a while. | ||
| But then the publisher, Bill Rusher, who supported Welch and thought Buckley was making a mistake, he tried to broker a truce with Welch. | ||
| Many years later, not long before he died, Bill Rusher told me I was wrong. | ||
| Buckley was right. | ||
| We had to make that move. | ||
| And I looked closely at Buckley's writing at the time because he would send letters out to everybody saying, what are you doing? | ||
| Why are you coming after this guy who's on our side? | ||
| And Buckley said, if the people in the middle think the leadership of our movement or one faction of it is controlled by someone who's on the fringe, that will damage us. | ||
| Doesn't matter. | ||
| Everybody knows you have all kinds of people in your ground troops, right? | ||
| Pat Buchanan was great with his pitchfork crusade. | ||
| Yeah, you bring everybody in, but the leadership has to pass a certain test. | ||
| And Welch wasn't doing it. | ||
| So Buckley pushed him out with regret, but when he had to be, Buckley could be very isolate pragmatic. | ||
| And that's what he did. | ||
| And very tough. | ||
| Fascinating. | ||
| We're going to continue this over the holidays. | ||
| Sam, where do people go to get the book? | ||
| The book is number one in a bunch of categories now. | ||
| The War Impossible Loves. | ||
| I've gotten tremendous feedback. | ||
| A great gift, particularly for someone maybe younger on your list, on your Christmas list that maybe doesn't have the background, the historical background of the country, the conservative movement, and particularly a giant like Bill Buckley. | ||
| Of course, don't hold against what the National Reviews turned into. | ||
| We're going to get to that as we go. | ||
| No, that's another story. | ||
| Well, as you know, because of our first broadcast, Random House reprinted, and it takes a while to do that. | ||
| They are in Amazon. | ||
| You can go in Amazon and you'll see whatever number is left in stock, but you can order them. | ||
| Anybody who wants to get in touch with me, and I'm hearing from some great listeners, it's my website, samtownenhouse.com. | ||
| Just send me an email and we'll have a conversation. | ||
| But it's in bookstores still. | ||
| I've been doing talks and at clubs and their private clubs are able to get the book through bookstores. | ||
| But Amazon's still a good place and there'll be more available there, I'm told. | ||
| What about your people telling me the Whitaker Chambers book has sold out? | ||
| Are they going to restock the Whitaker Chambers? | ||
| I have to ask them at Random House because I discovered that too. | ||
| Yeah, they're out of stock now. | ||
| You can get it on Kindle, but some people just like to have the book. | ||
| Got to have it. | ||
| So I will ask them about that. | ||
| Yeah, they ran out. | ||
| Thanks to you. | ||
| Thanks for our conversations. | ||
| This weighs in at over a thousand pages. | ||
| People got to get this. | ||
| This is a prestige book. | ||
| Sam, it's so great to have you on here. | ||
| Thank you for taking time away. | ||
| I know your schedule is really busy, but thank you. | ||
| Taking your time and joining us here in the war room. | ||
| It's been a pleasure, Steve. | ||
| Anytime. | ||
| Thank you, sir. | ||
| Let's see how many the Birchers, the Libertarians forced out. | ||
| The stories are all in there. | ||
| They're amazing. | ||
| The personalities you'll see, Reagan, Young Reagan, Nixon, Goldwater, all of them, and Bill Buckley, the intellectual, the public intellectual giant of it all. | ||
| We're going to take a short commercial break. | ||
| And our music that leads us out is Take Down the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| Isn't it interesting that back from 1949 on? | ||
| And remember, McCarthy was really about who lost China. | ||
| So was Henry Luce at Time Magazine. | ||
| Who lost China? | ||
| Who lost it? | ||
| The State Department that was riddled with communists. | ||
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| I want to thank Sam Tannehouse. | ||
| Once again, I want to thank the team at Rev last night. | ||
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| Charlie Kirk Show is next with Andrew Colvet. | ||
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