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| Wednesday, 17th of December, Anno Domini, 2025. | ||
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| Big news then coming out in the last 40 hours, and that is Pope Leo. | ||
| Pope Leo, the man widely recognised but not universally as being Pope, has made his most substantial appointment or announced it's been announced and that is he has picked Bishop Ronald Hicks of the Diocese of Joliet in Illinois to be the new Archbishop of New York. | ||
| In terms of population, second largest diocese in the States and to succeed Cardinal Timothy Dolan who is going to spend more time with his lunch table. | ||
| Let's break this down as to what this might mean for the Catholic Church in America with Frank Walker. | ||
| And we've got Jenny Holland as well be coming on later to pick up on various aspects of what's going on here in continental Europe with the fight for Christianity against one of its principal existential threats and that is militant Islam. | ||
| So Jenny, welcome obviously also to you as well. | ||
| We'll be joining you in a moment. | ||
| But before we do that, I think we'll start off Frank with this story then about the New York appointment. | ||
| Presumably Pope Leo will stick with the tradition largely abandoned somewhat by his unlamented predecessor Pope Francis and this will be a cardinalatial appointment presumably. | ||
| New York is typically a cardinal appointment. | ||
| Tell us, I want to give you an easy question to answer. | ||
| This is something that presumably Trad Inc. will be getting out the tinsel and saying this is great. | ||
| This shows how moderate Leo is. | ||
| I'm not so sure. | ||
| You're not so sure. | ||
| This guy is a spiritual son of Cardinal Bernardine, right? | ||
| Ordained by him, I believe, back in the 90s. | ||
| Why don't we have a voice of clarity from you, Frank Walker, to explain precisely what this first significant American appointment by the first American Pope means for the church? | ||
| Well, it sounds like terrible news to me, really. | ||
| But you're right. | ||
| They're saying that he's a moderate. | ||
| Some people are saying that. | ||
| He's a moderate. | ||
| They're saying he's open to different liturgical variations or something like that. | ||
| And they have people on this. | ||
| I see on his site, Tridentin Brewing, and his trad site saying, oh, yeah, he was a part of our parish. | ||
| But when I check, there's about, maybe there's several, maybe seven different counties, and his diocese was just right up against Chicago, Cardinal Superchasdio. | ||
| And I can't find more than a couple Latin masses there. | ||
| If you only have that many already, you can't really destroy it that much. | ||
| You know, that's the way it is where I live. | ||
| There's only two that you can go to in my diocese. | ||
| It's the places that have several parishes devoted to them that are being crushed. | ||
| So I don't think they're going to be too happy with that. | ||
| I don't think that they're going to find that he's a conservative. | ||
| In fact, there's a video out there of him speaking when Leo was just elected. | ||
| And he's very, very connected to Leo. | ||
| And he does not sound good. | ||
| He does not sound very good. | ||
| He does not have a manly presentation. | ||
| That's what I would say. | ||
| And you're right. | ||
| He's in the line of Cardinal Bernadin. | ||
| Cardinal Bernadine was the father of the modern church and the father of the seamless garment, where you destroy the pro-life movement through Democratic programs. | ||
| He's a reputed Satanist, Cardinal Bernadin. | ||
| And you can see his people like in the just ended head of Washington, D.C., Wilton Gregory. | ||
| So in this speech here, where he talks about Pope Leo, you can see his effeminate groveling that he makes. | ||
| He won't be able to make the same presentation on Fox News that Cardinal Dolan. | ||
| Cardinal Dolan had sort of a normal everyman friendly persona. | ||
| This guy's not going to come off that way. | ||
| He's going to have to be much quieter. | ||
| And he gushes over Leo. | ||
| And Leo and I are the same. | ||
| We come from the same neighborhoods. | ||
| We have the same pizza. | ||
| We swam in the same pools. | ||
| He likes the right socks. | ||
| I like the Cubs. | ||
| You know, I don't buy the stuff about these guys even liking sports, really. | ||
| I believe the part about the pools, but that's his, that's, he's, this is a, I would call this an Obama church takeover of New York City. | ||
| That's what this is. | ||
| Okay, so a few things there to break down. | ||
| And what you say, I think, about Cardinal Dolan is a fair enough point. | ||
| He was totally useless. | ||
| But at least when he spoke, you didn't get the most common alarm bell ringing that you get with, say, I don't want to name names, but say Cardinal Wirl or someone like that. | ||
| Then you have a whole list, right? | ||
| A whole list of cardinals or bishops of all of unhappy memory, and you hear them speaking and you have that little bell ringing in the back of your head saying, pay attention. | ||
| Cardinal Dolan didn't set off that particular bell. | ||
| That is fair enough. | ||
| But he was largely useless in promoting the agenda that many thought he was going to provide leadership on. | ||
| You know, it's illustrative that under JP2 and as his career, as his ecclesiastical career progressed, Cardinal Dolan was pretty effective at holding the pro-life position when he was president of the Catholic Bishops' Conference. | ||
| Really what did it for him is when Benedict resigned and Francis came in and he just lost his mojo completely. | ||
| And Frank, it's illustrative of the fact that this is true in so many institutions, but more so even in the Catholic Church. | ||
| Like a fish, it rots from the head down. | ||
| You get someone in who's bad at the top of the ecclesiastical apex like Bergoglio. | ||
| And then you even have under him bishops who had been reasonably good and reasonably effective just become immediately useless and ineffective overnight, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| They said that he was, it was rumored that he was instrumental in the cardinal in the Cardinal McCarrick takedown, which began really at the New York Times. | ||
| And perhaps that was what finally did it for him with Francis. | ||
| You know, there's a rivalry, a sort of rivalry. | ||
| There were some good cardinals in New York City, Cardinal Cook, Cardinal O'Connor, but Chicago is the source of everything bad. | ||
| You know, this new Hicks, he's promoting all of this Leo's politics. | ||
| He spent five years in Latin America, another bad sign. | ||
| And he worked in an orphanage. | ||
| And there's been stories of a pipeline of gay seminarians coming from Latin America into Chicago. | ||
| There's been Chicago priests caught in cars in Miami. | ||
| I don't like the sound of this liberation theology Latin American persona that he has here. | ||
| So this is, I would say, this is an Obama church takeover. | ||
| Obama and Bernardin went together. | ||
| Bernardin paid for Obama to get his communism lessons when he was young. | ||
| And Pope Leo and Cardinal Supic and all that are part of that kind of church. | ||
| That's not really what the New York church, not that the New York church is doing well. | ||
| I mean, they have a huge settlement. | ||
| They have to sell these half a billion dollar property now. | ||
| And they only have about 18 people trained to be priests for 300 parishes. | ||
| I mean, it's an entire collapse church-wide. | ||
| But, you know, this is not, this is the bad side of the church, which is where Leo is from. | ||
| The lavender mafia, even though it's lavender all around, the lavender mafia, bad side of the church coming to New York. | ||
| Let's just roll back a moment because you did say something interesting that too few people know about. | ||
| Cardinal Bernardine did pay personally out of the diocese to ship a young Barack Obama over to LA, I think it was, for lessons in community organizing by, if I'm not mistaken, it was Saul Alinsky himself, the author of Rules for Radicals, which was dedicated, the first edition of that Rules for Radicals, was dedicated to Satan himself. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| That I think Elinsky said, the original rebel. | ||
| So that was Cardinal Bernardine and his spiritual heirs and successors are firmly entrenched now, right, throughout Illinois, especially Chicago, obviously. | ||
| You mentioned that he spent five years in Latin America. | ||
| I just want to pick up on that point. | ||
| Sort of running some kind of charity, I think, organization down there for orphans and what have you. | ||
| It is an interesting parallel that these two kids, Bishop Hicks and Robert Prevost, now Pope, they grew up side by side, basically, in these neighboring suburbs, right? | ||
| And they both spent a substantial period, obviously longer for Pope Leo, but they both spent substantial periods in Latin America as part of their formation. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Psychological formation. | ||
| Latin America is the breeding ground for liberation theology, which was a communist corruption of Catholicism. | ||
| It's very effective because you can say all sorts of things that sound faithful and Catholic, but you keep emphasizing the poor. | ||
| You almost worship the poor and you use that to kind of like jump a jumping point into pushing communism. | ||
| This is what it is. | ||
| So they did that for many years down there. | ||
| But with Benedict stepping down and Francis showing up also from Latin America, that became the Catholic religion. | ||
| That was put down by JP2, the more of a Cardinal Dolan type pope. | ||
| That was put down, but it was resurrected by Francis. | ||
| And that is the mold that Leo is in. | ||
| And that's the mold that Supic is in. | ||
| And that is the Bernardine mold. | ||
| Whenever they talk about the seamless garment, the pro-life is everything. | ||
| As Leo mentioned at one of his Castle Gondolfro outbursts the other day, when she said that Dick Durbin really was a very pro-life senator in many ways, Leo just wanted to visit a pro-life crutch in the Vatican where there's all sorts of ribbons for the government to give things to women to help them deal with pregnancies. | ||
| But really, that just balloons into a lot of Democrat programs, a lot of really creating more unwanted pregnancies by supporting them all the time. | ||
| That's just an example of what Bernardin, who and Alinsky and Obama. | ||
| Obama was president when all this started. | ||
| And Obama is still behind the scenes, very powerful. | ||
| They say he's moving more to New York. | ||
| He's a focus of Trump and these investigations. | ||
| I mean, moving more to London, New York, but he's moving more to London, moving perhaps out of Washington. | ||
| But it just makes me think of how important he was and how integral he may be to this new modern church. | ||
| It all really kind of goes together. | ||
| The same kind of thing. | ||
| So just give me a yes or no answer to this one then, Frank. | ||
| So your analysis then, your reading of the situation of this appointment, it very much confirms the thesis that we've been promoting on the show since the day he emerged on the, that Cardinal Pervosto emerged on the logia elected Pope then, that's someone who's more intelligent, more subtle, but absolutely a fully signed up member of the Bedgonian Revolution. | ||
| This is the kind of appointment you would expect from Leo, right? | ||
| Being more subtle, more intelligent, bedding down on the revolutionary principles that Bedgoglio was trying to subvert the church with. | ||
| Unlike Leo and Supic, he does not have a very manly persona. | ||
| He has a big boof hair. | ||
| I don't see how he's going to be able to even have a personality. | ||
| It's more of a slap in the face because that, even though in normal life, you wouldn't make a big deal out of that. | ||
| But when it comes to the church and the priests, after everything that they've been through, you know, people, it's just reported that the people do not appreciate Pope Leo's politics. | ||
| They don't support them at all. | ||
| And the polls are out saying that, you know, these negative polls coming on the Catholic Church. | ||
| The church is dying and collapsing in many ways. | ||
| To have a guy like this has this effect is going to have a terrible, a terrible effect on the church. | ||
| Frank, on the point of the polls, we're going to come back to you later on in the show because you've been picking up on Canon 212 some this fantastic, I think it was a Pew Society poll, right? | ||
| We'll be breaking that down in the second half of the show. | ||
| So Sam, bye for that, Frank. | ||
| Jenny, we're coming to you in two minutes. | ||
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| Jenny, if there's one thing that English Catholics have known for many, many decades, it's that there's only one thing worse than the pill, and that's the tablet. | ||
| So when you flagged up this morning this article, for Americans, the tablet, just to put the context behind the joke, the tablet is like the establishment liberal Catholic magazine that's been undermining the Catholic faith for many, many decades, read by all the priests, all the bishops, obviously. | ||
| It's like basic, I don't know, how would you call it? | ||
| The Guardian's version, probably worse than The Guardian, because The Guardian can actually be impartial at times. | ||
| It's like V V, it's establishment, liberal, cultural, but not believing Catholicism. | ||
| And it's been going for 100 years. | ||
| The tablet. | ||
| So when you flagged up this article, that got my interest, Jenny. | ||
| The West should be less fearful of Islam, says the Pope. | ||
| Pope went to the Middle East, to Turkey, and to Lebanon to celebrate, I think, the one, well, how many years is this? | ||
| 1,750 years since the Nicene Creed. | ||
| So you went to Nicaea, which is now present-day Turkey. | ||
| I think we just spoke about this on the show last week. | ||
| Frank, I think you flagged up the fact that the people who weren't there in this great ecumenical get-together were the Russian Orthodox, by like 98% of world orthodoxy. | ||
| But he also, on the same trip, Leo went to Lebanon and took that as an opportunity because the Lebanon, historically, is 50% Christian, 50% Muslim, not anymore. | ||
| Not remotely anymore. | ||
| And rather disingenuously, our great representative of syncretism went out there and held up Lebanon as an example for Catholics and, or Christians and Muslims to emulate. | ||
| Tell us more. | ||
| Well, Ben, first I have a confession. | ||
| Being somewhat of a newbie to this stuff, yeah, I did not know that about the tablet. | ||
| But also a further confession: when Leo ascended to the throne of Rome a few months ago, and you and Frank and Liz came straight out of the gate, critical and very skeptical of Leo, I sort of withheld judgment. | ||
| I thought, well, I don't really know. | ||
| Maybe, you know, me, I'm a Pollyanna. | ||
| I'm like, maybe it'll all be okay. | ||
| Well, this article, it just goes to show: always trust MAGA, always trust the war room. | ||
| They always have the right take. | ||
| This article firmly put all of that optimism that I had momentarily to bed. | ||
| Because I have never read a more jaw-dropping article in my life, and that says a lot. | ||
| I have also never heard a more ill-timed, poorly strategized, and poorly thought-out public pronouncement from any public figure of any time ever. | ||
| And I'm going to have to read the quote in full, so forgive me for reading from my notes. | ||
| But Pope Leo told assembled journalists, like you said, coming back from a trip to Lebanon, where he held a mass in Beirut. | ||
| He said, one of the great lessons Lebanon can teach the world is showing a land where Islam and Christianity are both respected and that there is a possibility to live together, to be friends. | ||
| He went on. | ||
| In Europe, fears are present, but often generated by people who may be from another country, another religion, or another race. | ||
| I would say that we all need to work together. | ||
| And he finally said that the example of Lebanon would be important also to be heard in Europe or North America. | ||
| So using Lebanon, holding Lebanon up as an example of sectarian success is genuinely the most insane thing I have ever heard. | ||
| And I don't even know how I can put the words together to fully express it. | ||
| I don't think I really need to have the audience. | ||
| It's disingenuous, right? | ||
| You can't have that pint. | ||
| You can't, as a leader of Christianity, hold that public view in good faith. | ||
| No. | ||
| I mean, look, I think if it's this, to me, the best, putting the most sort of seal man argument on this, the best you could say is maybe this is a comment he would want to make in private, meeting in a multi, in a non-denominational or a multi-faith room, and you're trying to put a best foot forward in meeting a Mufti or doing some sort of high-level kind of kid gloves diplomacy. | ||
| However, to tell the poor, bedraggled, exhausted, and terrified people of Europe that they have nothing to fear from Islam when, I mean, how many decades now have we been under attack from Islamists and under siege from large waves of sort of unvetted migrants coming from the Middle East? | ||
| And how many years have we been subjected to storylines, Lebanon being the biggest one of all, of Hezbollah terrorism, kidnappings of missionaries, kidnappings of Western journalists? | ||
| I mean, it's just been a never-ending onslaught. | ||
| And he's making these blithe remarks as though none of that existed. | ||
| So even if it is disingenuous, it's so tone-deaf that it just boggles the mind. | ||
| Furthermore, this is the Christmas season. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| And what happens in Europe during Christmas? | ||
| We have these lovely Christmas markets, or as we now in the UK say, winter markets, because we don't want to offend certain of our religious neighbors here in the United Kingdom. | ||
| And what is happening with the Christmas markets? | ||
| They have become sort of fortified airport security militarized zones because of the high threat of Islamic terrorism. | ||
| And this is the friendly success that we need to celebrate and open our hearts even more to when the taxpayers of Europe have been paying in multiple ways to support these new communities arriving and then been met with acts of terror by their co-religionists. | ||
| Jenny, tis the season to be martyred. | ||
| To adapt a popular hymn, to update a popular hymn to present times. | ||
| Look, so you're not going to be able to do it. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| Slabs to the slaughter, according to Leo. | ||
| So you mentioned the situation that he'd highlighted, highlighted Lebanon as an example where Christians and Muslims can work together. | ||
| And citing explicitly, as you pointed out, in Europe and the US. | ||
| And he criticized, he took the opportunity. | ||
| Here's the stab in the back. | ||
| He took the opportunity to criticize anti-migrant activists in Europe who stoke fears of Islam, claiming instead that Muslims and Christians can, and I quote, live together to be friends. | ||
| Now, I wasn't intending to take this opportunity to promote myself on Getter, but I shall do because I immediately, when I saw that, I responded and I said this: hey, hashtag not my Pope. | ||
| You picked a poor example. | ||
| The last official census in Lebanon, which was 1932, placed Christians in a majority to Muslims at 53 to 47%. | ||
| And an unofficial 2024 poll now put that at 15 to 85 percent. | ||
| That is to say, Christianity has collapsed from 53 percent. | ||
| It's now at 15, 15. | ||
| And the Muslims went from the minority of 47 percent now to 85 percent. | ||
| And I concluded that's what let's all be friends gets you. | ||
| No thanks. | ||
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| So look, just give me, just give me one minute, Jenny. | ||
| Give me one minute. | ||
| What will continental Europe look like? | ||
| Citing the Christmas market sort of massacres that Islam is planning across continental Europe, right? | ||
| What will continental Europe look like if it followed the Lebanese route? | ||
| It would look like Lebanon, I suppose, which is not a good thing. | ||
| I mean, using Lebanon as an example of successful interfaith integration is like saying you're like the tallest dwarf in Midgetown. | ||
| I mean, this is, there is no place in the Middle East where Christians are, you know, you know, flourishing and, you know, leading the way, democratizing and being all friendly with their Muslim neighbors. | ||
| That is not a reality. | ||
| And also, I might add, it's not even really a reality in Christian Europe, where Christian Europeans are not treated. | ||
| I mean, individually, obviously, people individually get along in many, many, many cases. | ||
| But seen on a macro level, Islamic action in Europe has been overwhelmingly negative. | ||
| Look at the rape gangs in the United Kingdom. | ||
| Look at all the terrorist attacks. | ||
| Austrian police foiled last year an attack on a Taylor Swift concert. | ||
| Look at Axel Rudacabana, who is a Rwandan who stabbed to death three little girls at a Taylor Swift dance class in Liverpool. | ||
| And he was motivated and had all sorts of al-Qaeda information on his computer. | ||
| Like, it just never ends. | ||
| So honestly, you know what? | ||
| Trump is right. | ||
| It's peace through straits. | ||
| Peaceful existence between religions can exist. | ||
| If the Christian nations are strong and are confident, then there is absolutely a place for other faiths in those nations, but it's only from a position of strength. | ||
| And that is not what Europe is right now. | ||
| Folks, we'll be back in two minutes after this short break. | ||
| I just want to say, Jenny, you're absolutely right. | ||
| There can be coexistence, and that's more likely to take place if Islam remains a minority in the West. | ||
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| The church, 13% of Americans are former Catholics. | ||
| Most falling away because they no longer believe that crap. | ||
| Are tired of the perverts and or their bad politics. | ||
| Well, I thought there was this huge rebirth, a huge rejuvenation of Catholicism, particularly among the young. | ||
| And this is the second Pew Poll that's been out like in a week. | ||
| They said it was released yesterday, so there was one a week ago. | ||
| And that one also contradicted all these stories. | ||
| There's a piece of the register today. | ||
| It's definite. | ||
| There is a definite rise in Catholicism, particularly among young men. | ||
| But why do these polls not reflect it? | ||
| That there was a video that I took from a clip on Rumble, Frank Walker, our very own Frank Walker, giving part taken from his morning bulletin, 15-minute bulletin of what's everything that traditional Catholics need to be aware of. | ||
| And I wanted to play that to give you a taste of the sort of things that's there. | ||
| Frank, that was a superb production. | ||
| Look, it's not easy to do. | ||
| I couldn't do a 15-minute take to camera by myself. | ||
| You do it every day, 15-minute take, single shot. | ||
| And it's absolutely superb. | ||
| There's everything in there. | ||
| And folks, you can get that by going. | ||
| We'll give the address at the end of the show, but you get that on Rumble or via the Stumbling Block website. | ||
| Frank has the link to it. | ||
| Absolutely superb. | ||
| And many people hereby now will know you as being the Catholic Mac Drudge and the Canon 212 aggregator, which has all the headlines there. | ||
| On your 15-minute daily, you break that down the key headlines and give a little bit of exposition. | ||
| Superb. | ||
| I can't tip my hat. | ||
| I can't bow. | ||
| I can't tip my hat and bow sufficiently to that. | ||
| And I very, very strongly recommend all of our war room possibility that follow this show to go over to Rumble and to give your video a look through and a consideration. | ||
| Now, as to the point of what you were talking about in today's video, we're going to break that down now over the next five, ten minutes. | ||
| And this is the Pew Society poll. | ||
| You have the takes here. | ||
| I'm reading this straight from Canon 212. | ||
| 13% of Americans are former Catholics. | ||
| Most falling away because they no longer believe that crap. | ||
| Are tired of the perverts and/or their bad politics. | ||
| Of the adults who left the Catholic faith, 14% are now Protestant, compared with only 1% of Americans race as Protestants who are now Catholic. | ||
| And the third statistic here, which I find is absolutely fascinating, is that in terms of permanence, Pew found that Hindus, 82% of Hindus claim to keep their childhood religion. | ||
| Muslims are 77%. | ||
| Jews are on 76%. | ||
| Protestants on 70%. | ||
| Catholics all the way down at 57%. | ||
| That's the worst out of all the major world religions in the United States. | ||
| Break the poll down for us, Frank, and give us your take on really, you know, this is exactly, is it not? | ||
| This is exactly the sort of thing that the institutional Catholic Church should be focused on. | ||
| To have its beady cynical eyes focused on this and make its episcopal appointments based on doing something about that. | ||
| As we were just talking about earlier on the show, it doesn't look as if that is particularly Leo's priority in anything other than words. | ||
| Well, like you were talking about, Leo is sort of a performance. | ||
| He's like a vicar of globalism. | ||
| He's over there pushing extremely unpopular positions every week and going into the Middle East saying really unpopular things. | ||
| Why? | ||
| Because the people that are ruling the world, the power people that are destroying Europe, they butt him to do that. | ||
| That's his job. | ||
| He goes out there. | ||
| And, you know, the real realities are seen on the ground. | ||
| 300 parishes in New York City and two priests, new priests, 18 priests in formation. | ||
| Even, you know, the polls say one thing, but the reality on the ground is that things are going, are collapsing. | ||
| You know, out of Chicago, Leah gives us New York City somebody who's going to be very unpopular. | ||
| You know, and the one statistic that really struck me in this is that 13% of Americans are former Catholics. | ||
| I mean, most Americans never were Catholics in the first place. | ||
| I mean, that's an awful lot of Catholic, of former Catholics. | ||
| And then, of course, they never ever talk about the difference between people who are practicing Catholics and people who aren't. | ||
| They're just anybody who'll say, well, what are you? | ||
| Well, I don't know. | ||
| I'm a Catholic, you know, so they count them. | ||
| This poll is a combination of a poll from 23 and 24, and then a recent poll that they added into it. | ||
| And so, you know, there may be some distinction, maybe some new things happening right now. | ||
| Things are a lot more different this year than they were last year. | ||
| And so, you know, and people are discussing, there's one story after another, which we've been discussing that shows that there's this young people are growing and the churches are getting bigger. | ||
| And we keep racking our brains. | ||
| Well, what's going to happen to them when they join those churches? | ||
| Because everybody else has joined those churches. | ||
| And these are the hard results, the major results. | ||
| People become Protestants all the time, but they don't go back and become Catholics. | ||
| Other religions, Hindus and Muslims and Jews, they hold on to their religion. | ||
| But the Catholics are the only ones that are dropping and collapsing because there's so much under the gun. | ||
| Nobody becomes a religion to follow a political stunt, which is what they have, a political stunt, and one that's so not human. | ||
| That's so again, unnatural as men who are like, you know, like the guy that's going to take over New York. | ||
| So I'm not saying that the new growth that we've been writing about isn't true, but in the register piece that I referred to in that daily update, which happens at the end of the day here, you're over on the other side of the pond. | ||
| I wish it was in the morning. | ||
| But in that register piece says, no, it's definite. | ||
| It's definite, definite, definite. | ||
| The churches are exploding. | ||
| Everything's growing. | ||
| We can't ignore the fact that there's a lot of propaganda out there and that there might be a push worldwide globally to make it look like to go along with Leo Church, this new big growth. | ||
| They're even saying that this new bishop of New York is going to create this, fix all these problems. | ||
| They're always saying that. | ||
| Well, firstly, what you just said, we can break the ban in a number of different ways. | ||
| Jenny's saying every other week about how certain sectors of the church are growing. | ||
| We hit this on the show last week, actually. | ||
| the way of i think the correct way of interpreting these two trends that is a general collapse going on across the universal church but massive uptake amongst the youth um the 18 to 24 bracket of men especially what have you but not exclusively um the way to see that is the fact that as you said that most catholics aren't catholic anyway uh they're counted as catholic you know because they were baptized | ||
| and that's about the degree of, of affinity, of practice or coherence that they have. | ||
| What you have is is, is is a movement in opposite directions. | ||
| You have, you know, and this wasn't the situation before the council, before the Second Vatican Council the Catholic church, they couldn't build churches fast enough. | ||
| Um, it was the council that, that that ruined everything. | ||
| So you have, like the third, we know what, the third, fourth generation, post council uh, and people are just giving up even that notional connection to the Catholic church, and I think that's what the polls are, are picking up on the on this 13. | ||
| You know people, people who haven't had, who haven't had practicing sunday uh, at the very least attendance at mass for three or four generations now, are simply not even bothering to identify themselves as Catholic. | ||
| That's going on on the one hand. | ||
| On the other hand, you have and I think this is driven by the holy spirit you have Charlie Kirk's martyrdom. | ||
| You also have social media um, and the algorithms that are targeting young guys. | ||
| And I have to, you know I don't like Elon Musk remotely bad news, bad guy, uh but I do have to give a sort of hat tip to what he's done since he took over at X and I think you know his influence there is driving some of this revival that that we're seeing and that's so. | ||
| So that's the other trend. | ||
| You have a falling away of people who were never Catholic in the first place and then a growing intensity and relationship with Christ, with the sacraments, with the church and a smaller minority um, but because of the intensity they're they're, they're making their presence felt and and seen a lot more um. | ||
| But it's interesting. | ||
| You know these ought to. | ||
| You know there ought to be, if they, if this wasn't, if this wasn't happening by design, there ought to be that red light flashing on the dashboard right when they're looking at these statistics in the institutional church in um uh, in the chanceries um, in the Vatican. | ||
| You think that you know we really ought to be changing course here, but of course this is. | ||
| This isn't the falling away from the church, isn't the book, this is the feature, because the people who are guiding the Catholic church aren't Catholic. | ||
| They hate the Catholic church, they hate the Catholic faith and they hate Catholics. | ||
| Right, you're right, it's two directions. | ||
| The church is doubling down and getting worse and giving us what these polls represent, but at the same time, there's this organic movement of Christianity, the Charlie Kirk type of christianity, That is growing and it's not big enough to be measured in the polls, nor are the Catholic polls, but it's out there and it keeps popping up. | ||
| You know, I saw today at Life Site News and Father David Nix and John Henry Wesson giving a talk, and Father Nick said a thing that's very key to this. | ||
| He says, without the truth and the courage, you're not going to bring people like evangelicals into the church. | ||
| You have to have those two things. | ||
| Unless you can have that, it's not going to grow. | ||
| God expects that from us. | ||
| So, I mean, if you just take a look at that thing today at running a life site news, a little discussion between these two people in Rome, then you'll see, I think, the recipe for harnessing the actual organic growth that isn't reflected in these polls. | ||
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| Of course, it is because they're deliberately driving the church into the ground. | ||
| This is part of the design. | ||
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| Jenny, you've got some interesting stories now to do with the revival that's taking place in France right now. | ||
| And I'll just flag up for our non-Catholic audience or even not particularly observing Catholic audience. | ||
| When we're talking about the sacrament of reconciliation, as they call it now, confession, right? | ||
| That is really where the rubber hits the road in Catholic life because everyone's a gangster until they have to go into that little wooden box and tell their sins to a human being. | ||
| So when I see that in France, there is a revival in confession. | ||
| That interests me because that's hardcore. | ||
| Obviously, Catholics, we are obliged, I think, twice a year, once a year, at least once a year, to go to confession. | ||
| Good regular practice would go a lot more than that, like once, twice a month. | ||
| But many, of course, many don't. | ||
| Even amongst Catholics who go to Mass on Sunday, many, many don't go to confession. | ||
| It's a difficult thing to do to sit there and work out what your most recent sins are that you've committed since you last went to confession and then go and tell someone else. | ||
| It's a tough thing. | ||
| Jenny, what's going on in France? | ||
| Yeah, so the a poll came out that said that 50%, 5-0% of weekly mass goers in France go to confession. | ||
| And 36% of those who attend monthly take confession. | ||
| So, you know, as you say, given that it is a difficult thing to do and it's definitely fallen out of fashion because the sort of the more the accountability side, shall we say, of religion has faded into the background and been replaced by this happy, clappy, let's love everyone, love is love vibe. | ||
| I think 50% is a really remarkable number. | ||
| I think it's particularly interesting as well that it's coming from France, which not only is sort of the birthplace of secular, liberal, revolutionary fervor, basically communism, let's say, you know, French Revolution, the French philosophers of the mid to late 20th century, all that jazz. | ||
| And, you know, it's really enshrined secularity into its government and its culture. | ||
| It's very interesting that it's coming from France. | ||
| Of course, because France has also been the site of many terrorist attacks by Islamist actors, either lone wolf actors, like if a French priest was beheaded at an altar, if I remember correctly, a few years ago, the Bataclan attacks of 2015, all those sort of things, a driving attack in Nice for a 14th of July celebration. | ||
| So France is really a hotbed of ferment of all of these conflicting things. | ||
| And the priest, one of the priests quoted, said something very interesting. | ||
| He's a canon in Paris. | ||
| And he just said that a return to tradition is in the air. | ||
| That was the phrase he used. | ||
| He said there's been a return to traditional practices like prayer vigils, pilgrimages. | ||
| And this is my favorite part of the quote. | ||
| He said, and a certain awareness of sin, which I think is a very sort of elegant way to put the sort of cataclysmic collapse of societal norms that have been inflicted upon us by, I mean, you could say largely by the internet, but the internet is merely a tool. | ||
| It's really sort of this globalist blob that thinks that it doesn't matter if you're a man or a woman to be a mother or a father. | ||
| You can be a gestating parent. | ||
| You can purchase babies. | ||
| You can be any kind of infinite variety of sexual preference. | ||
| And people are reacting against that. | ||
| So an awareness of sin in particular, that word is extremely telling. | ||
| I don't believe this article. | ||
| No, I don't. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| I don't believe it, 50% of Catholics going to confession is, I can tell you this. | ||
| If that is true, there will be a spiritual fruits of the church of Catholics in France right now will be so great, we cannot, with our limited imaginations, have an idea of what that will do to transform that country. | ||
| If that is true, that 50% of Catholics, that that is literally transformative. | ||
| I don't believe it. | ||
| You know, I would applaud them. | ||
| I would stand here, Jenny, and I would applaud them if it were 5%. | ||
| 50%, incredible. | ||
| Look, you're always trying to rain on my parade, Ben. | ||
| Well, you know. | ||
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| Well, yeah, you're more practiced in this area. | ||
| But I will say this, much like what Frank and you were just talking about over that poll, this is the sort of conceptual drive that is happening in all of these stories that we return to over and over again. | ||
| And just saying what you just said in different words: it's the laity versus the hierarchy. | ||
| The laity is going to revive and rebuild, and they're going to detach from the hierarchy. | ||
| That's what all of these stories show us. | ||
| So I think there's essentially that. | ||
| Very quickly, a thousand percent. | ||
| Thanks, Jenny. | ||
| Very quickly, 30 seconds. | ||
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| With my usual provocations. | ||
| Frank Walker. | ||
| Jenny gave us a third nice compliment earlier on in the show, saying we were right from the beginning, which we were. | ||
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| We were absolutely right. | ||
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