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Dec. 16, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 4999: Trump Continues To Go After Cartel; Was The Brown University Shooting Targeting Christians
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javier negre
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steve bannon
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caroline wren
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david malpass
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donald j trump
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john solomon
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mike lindell
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oscar ramirez
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peter beinart
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tom homan
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jake tapper
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donald j trump
Of our great service members.
We've stopped the invasion and its tracks and we're dismantling the cartels very rapidly and they are being declared enemies of the United States Of America.
They have been so declared, legally declared.
More than 25,000 warriors have served in this historic operation.
It is indeed an incredible and historic operation and We've never done anything so effectively and we've had a lot of victories.
They've spent night and day enduring scorching hot and bitter cold and they've given up their holidays and their weekends working with the officers of customs and border protection.
Our armed forces have already conducted nearly 13,000 patrols along the border and today we give these great warriors the recognition that they have earned and they have really earned it.
The military component of our border security efforts is just the beginning.
We're also designating the drug cartels as foreign terrorist organizations, a big deal from a legal standpoint and military standpoint.
We've ended catch and release and we endured and ensured that anyone who sets foot across our border illegally is intercepted, arrested and immediately deported or if they're really bad they're put into prison because we don't want to ever take a chance to come back.
tom homan
You know I was just I just got home last night.
I toured the border in California, Arizona, Texas.
I did it in four-wheel drive.
I did it on the river.
I did it from the air.
Hundreds upon hundreds of miles of border.
I didn't see one illegal alien.
Not a single one.
I've done this since 1984.
unidentified
I worked for six different presidents.
tom homan
No one has done more than President Trump.
What he has done is gave us the most secure border in the history of this nation.
Hard stop.
I went hundreds of miles of border and didn't see one illegal alien.
Incredible, considering the Biden administration, we had 10, 12,000 a day, most released in the United States.
I'm proud to be with these patriots behind me.
I'm already proud of being the Oval Office of the President, but being with these heroes, I met some of these soldiers down on the border.
And actually, shout out to Fort Drum, New York.
We've got some 10th Mountain Division here, so at least they find it, Claudia Tennant, we all love Fort Drum and the 10th Mountain.
So look, this is a game changer.
I want to make something perfectly clear.
We get attacked all the time being inhumane.
The Biden administration is much more humane.
It just is a bunch of crap.
Because there's been studies done that 31% of women that make that journey through the cartels get sexually assaulted.
They get raped.
And not just the women, children too.
I've done numerous investigations in that.
Sex trafficking was historic highs with the open border.
Fentanyl, historic highs that killed a quarter million Americans.
No inspected terrorists that came across the border.
Record historic.
What happened under the Biden administration was the most inhumane thing I've seen in my lifetime.
Now that the border is 96% declined, 96% less people are coming.
How many women aren't being raped?
How many children aren't dying making that journey?
How many women and children aren't being sex trafficked into this country every day?
How many no one suspected terrorists aren't just walking across that border?
President Trump in this administration is saving thousands of lives every month.
Hard stop.
That's just a stone cold fact.
I'm just proud to be a part of this.
I work with Steve Miller every day.
Steve Miller is one of the most brilliant people I met in my entire life.
President Trump brought together one hell of a team here, and success proved.
We're all working together, one team, one fight.
We're not done yet.
We're going to keep going.
And I guarantee you, we will continue saving thousands and thousands of lives.
Secured border means strong national security.
Secured border saves lives.
unidentified
Thank you.
donald j trump
That's why today I'm taking one more step to protect Americans from the scourge of deadly fentanyl flooding into our country.
With this historic executive order I will sign today, we're formally classifying fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction.
Which is what it is.
No bomb does what this is doing.
The poorly run state of Colorado with a governor who's incompetent and frankly with a governor that won't allow our wonderful Tina to come out of a jail, in a high-intensity jail, because she caught people cheating on an election and they said she was cheating.
She wasn't cheating.
She went over, she looked at one of the election scams going on.
And because she did that, they put her in jail for nine years.
The governor of Colorado is a weak and pathetic man who was run by Trent de Aragua, the criminals from Venezuela that took over sections of Colorado.
And he was afraid to do anything.
But he puts Tina in jail for nine years because she caught people cheating.
And when she walked over and got involved in it, they said she was cheating.
She wasn't cheating.
She caught people cheating on the election 2020, along with a lot of other people that cheated on that election.
You'll see that coming out more and more.
peter beinart
First of all, as around the world, as liberal democracy phrase, we see the rise in all forms of bigotry.
And we're seeing that globally.
Rises of anti-Semitism, rises of nativism, of Islamophobia, of anti-LGBT.
So that's one element that you associate with the far right.
In 2018, the Tree of Life Synagogue, that shooter was radicalized by his fear of an immigrant invasion from Central America, and he attacked the synagogue because it had a refugee Shabbat.
It's also clear that since October 7th, some people are taking out their anger against Israel against Jews, which is fundamentally wrong.
Jews are not responsible, regardless of what they think about Israel.
They are not responsible for what Israel does any more than a Chinese American person or a Chinese Australian person would be responsible for what the People's Republic of China does.
But tragically, we see empirically that there is a rise in anti-Semitic attacks by people who are wrongly and immorally taking out their anger at Israel against Jews.
unidentified
Why is that?
We don't generally see it, as you said, for a Chinese American based on what is happening in China, for the People's Republic is doing.
Why do we see it?
Why is it different for Jews?
peter beinart
Well, during COVID, we actually did see some of this, if you remember.
There were these spate of attacks.
unidentified
Not quite to this degree.
peter beinart
No, but there was a quite frightening spate of attacks against Chinese Americans.
unidentified
There was a universal condemnation.
peter beinart
There was, and I think there's been a pretty broad condemnation of this as well, as there should be.
The important thing, I think, to say is that there are many peoples around the world who share an ancestry, an ethnicity, a religion, or race with governments that do various things.
We also see in the United States a history of attacks on Muslims because people were upset at what Iran did or upset after September 11th or ISIS, right?
The key thing to say is that people deserve to be treated equally and free of bigotry, irrespective of what you think about the government that may share a particular ethnic characteristic or religious characteristic.
steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies because we're going to medieval on this people.
Here's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big line?
MAGA Media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
steve bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
It's Monday, 15 December, year of our Lord, 2025.
We're going to start with John Solomon.
John, when we talked pre-dawn this morning, he was bringing you on about breaking news of Justin News and John Solomon reports.
But I got to ask you, President Trump on fire today on the signing of the executive order.
What's the importance of this?
You got Tom Holman all jacked up.
You got everybody focused on fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction.
The drug cartels as international terrorist organizations, plus cash rolls up for bad guys in Los Angeles on a New Year's Eve, bombing.
You've got what's happening in Australia.
Put it in perspective for us, perspective force, John Solomon.
john solomon
I think today was a good reminder that America is currently at war, not in the traditional sense of a World War II or Vietnam War, but in the sense that our enemies are trying to create death and destruction on our soil.
They do it with fentanyl, which has now killed more Americans than World War II did.
They do it with terror attacks.
They do it with hatred and anti-Semitism that eventually leads people to take such extraordinary actions as what we saw in Australia.
So I think the president declaring fentanyl a weapon of mass destruction reminds the American people in a powerful way that we are at war in this country right now.
We are under attack every day in ways that we never saw before in our country's history.
And whether it's the Chinese precursor makers or the Venezuelan and Mexican drug cartels, the president has made clear now he considers their actions to be as heinous as a nuclear weapon, as dangerous as a nuclear weapon, and he intends to punish those who perpetrate it, like those who would deploy a nuclear weapon on the United States.
So really extraordinary day today.
Kash Patel keeps stopping terror and school shootings.
I mean, you think about three or four or five school shootings I know of this year that they called local police.
They rolled up a guy before he did something terrible.
That's a great thing, a more proactive, preemptive FBI.
Then, of course, today, a major terror attack that looks like it was a far left group, a pro-Palestine far-left group that was going to light up Los Angeles on New Year's Eve, and the FBI stopped it before that could happen.
So a good day for prevention, a good day for reminding the American people that we're at war with enemies, some of them a little less visible than the traditional enemies in the world.
steve bannon
We're going to drill down tomorrow, the Red-Green Alliance.
You've got this looks like a tranny, some radical lefties, jihadists.
It's the Red-Green Alliance for this Los Angeles thing.
We've got to drill down.
But, John, I want to go back to the story that we're going to start with this morning pre-dawn when you broke it is that, particularly the audience, a lot of us sitting there going, hey, I got we're at war.
Trump's doing great stuff.
We're signing these EOs.
But how are we going to win this war when the enemy within the deep state that you've been hammering for years and years and years?
Tell us about your story when you don't know who's really on your side of the football and who's with us and who's again us, sir.
john solomon
Well, what you end up seeing in this story this morning is that even during the first Trump administration, there were people in the Justice Department and the FBI who were protecting Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton from the sort of justice they should face for a pay-to-play scheme involving their foundation and Hillary Clinton's decisions as Secretary of State.
Extraordinary memos, extraordinary details.
We learned for the first time in these documents that Kash Patel and Pam Bondi gave to Chuck Grassy and Chuck Grassley gave to Justin News that the FBI first intercepted information suggesting a pay-to-play scheme with Hillary Clinton back in 2010.
They were sitting, or they had a recording, a consensual recording made of a conversation by a famous Democrat, Indian American Democrat donor fundraiser named Chatwell.
He would eventually go be convicted of some fundraising crimes.
But the concern in that call was not excessive limits or contributions exceeding the limits.
It was the idea that foreigners were lining up and they were going to give money to the Clinton Foundation so that Hillary Clinton could make favorable decisions for them and their countries and their foreign companies.
That didn't go anywhere during the Obama years.
In 2016, three separate FBI offices, as you and I've talked about, because these were earlier documents we got, opened up.
And then on the Clinton Foundation, Little Rock, Washington, D.C., and New York all believe they had clear evidence of a pay-to-play corruption scheme involving the Clintons.
As we mentioned the last time we talked about this, Sally Yates gave a command from the deputy attorney saying, shut it down.
But inside the FBI, 16, 17, 18, it kept getting shut down.
Andy McCabe kept shutting it down.
Kept putting pressure there.
steve bannon
When is the statute limitations run out on McCabe and these guys to get them off?
Because I'm hearing it's like the last week of January of this of next year.
john solomon
Well, remember, McCabe left in 2017, so five years of 2022.
The real statute is in 2026.
If you take the conspiracy case that Florida is about to begin in January, the clock is ticking, but you can bring a very big conspiracy.
And that case is now underway.
For the first time, I can confirm they're bringing witnesses and evidence before a grand jury in Florida to look at the last decade as one ongoing criminal conspiracy.
steve bannon
We impended the grand jury, finally, criminal grand jury.
John Solomon, where do they go?
You follow us here at six.
Where do they go to get all your content, sir?
john solomon
Justthenews.com tomorrow morning, day two of the Clinton Foundation.
Hillary Clinton had a Russia collusion problem.
They found it, but it got shut down.
We're going to give everybody the details tomorrow morning.
steve bannon
God, you're killing me on this.
You're killing me on this.
john solomon
Sorry about that.
steve bannon
John Solomon, we'll see you back on here tomorrow morning then.
We'll track you.
john solomon
Sounds good, buddy.
steve bannon
Thank you, brother.
Wow.
The Clintons.
Come on, man.
unidentified
In a fair universe, the Clintons.
steve bannon
Unbelievable.
We got to get to the bottom of the deep state here.
It's got to be broken apart.
Action, action, action.
Big action today in the Oval.
Rav Espanol, our sister channel, got a couple of questions in.
Javier Negre and Oscar Blue Ramirez next on the Weapons of Mass Destruction that is fentanyl in the war room.
unidentified
Negre, Real America's voice in Spanish.
First of all, thanks for honoring these heroes.
The Comunís Has Los Chile, the pro-Trump candidate, Jose Antonio Cas won the elections.
Do you think this right-wing wave in the Spanish world is due to your influence?
donald j trump
Well, I just, we just had a good one in Honduras, as you know.
Had a great election there.
I endorsed somebody that was not leading, and he won the election.
And we had a good one just a little couple of hours ago.
I found out in Chile, the person I endorsed who was not leading ended up winning quite easily.
So I look forward to paying my respects to him.
I hear he's a very good person.
unidentified
Mr. President, the Democrats won Miami where you won the election one year ago.
javier negre
Do you think it's because of Hispanic media like Telemundo that are publishing fake news about the ICE operations?
unidentified
How do you plan to win back those votes for midterms?
donald j trump
Yeah, well, I won that whole election.
And, you know, it's interesting.
When I'm not running, we don't do as well.
And I'm going to try and get that changed for the midterms.
But we did have a big win in Tennessee, as you know.
Matt Van Epps, Van Epps had a big win in Tennessee against a very strong candidate, attractive candidate, who a lot of people thought would do very well.
And Matt won by a lot.
And I won Tennessee by a real lot.
You know, we had a great, we had a great election.
We won every single swing state.
We won the popular vote.
We won everything.
And there's a thing that they have now districts, which is a big deal.
I think in a way it's the most important stat from the standpoint of looking at numbers accurately.
So out of thousands of districts, I won 2,750 versus 525.
Think of that.
2,750 versus 525.
That's why the map, when you see a map of the election, it's all red, other than two little narrow lines on the other side.
Please.
steve bannon
Sir, Jimmy Lai was convicted today in Hong Kong.
unidentified
Do you have any reactions?
donald j trump
I feel so badly.
I spoke to President Xi about it, and I asked to consider his release.
He's not well.
He's an older man, and he's not well.
So I did put that request out.
We'll see what happens.
unidentified
Okay.
steve bannon
Okay, Jimmy Lai, of course, that's horrific.
We're going to spend more time on that tomorrow.
Jimmy Lai, the great hero in Hong Kong, found guilty of sedition and is looking at life in prison.
He's going to be sentenced, I think, in early January.
Horrible situation.
Hopefully the U.S. government steps in there.
Like Bolsonaro, we got some big problems around the world.
Javier joins us.
Javier, you're the White House correspondent now for RAV Espanol.
It's amazing today.
You kind of kicked off great questions.
Just tell me, what's the importance of having a Spanish language MAGA network?
Real America's voice in the main channel is quite MAGA.
We're proudly right-wing.
We had a huge win last night in Chile, a huge win.
In fact, the Financial Times did a big article.
I'm quoted pretty a lot in there talking about how big it was for the whole MAGA movement for President Trump, for hemispheric defense, all of it.
How important is it to have a voice on the right that really cuts through all the BS and gets right to what's happening in the Oval Office, sir?
javier negre
Thank you very much, Steve.
It's really important because the Democrats, the globalists, the communists, they are using platforms like Univision, like Telemundo, to publish fake news, using the ICE operation and telling the people, the Hispanic community, that Trump hates Hispanic people.
And they are hiding the criminal records of these kind of people that have been deported.
So it's really important to show how the reality is in the Hispanic community, because in the American side, you are doing a great job.
You have a lot of YouTubers, podcasters that speak English.
But you have a lot of people in Miami.
I have a lot of friends in Miami, in Texas.
They don't understand English, and they need to have a voice in the Hispanic side.
So it's really important, the movement that Rob and Parker made with RAF on Espanol and the movement that the White House wants today with me, like to take me into the Oval Office to have two questions about the importance of having Spanish media in the Oval Office talking about what's going on on Chile or the right-wing wave that impact in the South America world, thanks to Trump.
Saw in Argentina, we are very close with the President Millet.
As you know, we are very close with the President of Ecuador, we are very close with the candidate of Honduras.
And anytime that Trump supports a candidate, we are watching in South America that people win election.
And I give you an example: in Mexico, all the media, all the mainstream media, hate Trump.
I own the Recha Diario and UHM Plus, and we are supporting the ideas, the values of Trump in those kinds of countries.
So it's really important to create a big network to show the Hispanic community that Trump is not evil for the Hispanic community.
He's a good guy.
He makes law and order.
He creates employees.
And now, if you go to Miami, now with a major communist or you see New York, the Democrats want to use the Hispanic voters to tell them lies.
So I think it's very important for the White House to have more media for the Hispanic community because Univision, Telemundo, CNN on Espanol, they are taking by Democrats, a lot of founds from USAD founds, you know, globalists, people like Soros, they invest a lot of monies in that kind of platforms.
In Miami, they use they are buying like radio stations, TV station to spread bad words about Trump.
And we have to fight against the best place to do is Real America's Voice on Espanol every Sunday in the Venue show.
You can follow on YouTube and in Real America's Voice platforms.
steve bannon
Javier, how big a deal is it?
We've been fighting, people behind the scenes have been fighting and getting this through the administration for a while.
President Trump's wanted to do it.
Fentanyl as a weapons of mass destruction and the cartels as international terrorist organizations will give us a whole big broader toolbox.
How big a deal is that, sir?
javier negre
You know, the fentanyl is a big problem.
I think that Trump is doing correct, like make pressure into the Mexican government.
We are telling all the people how Venezuela, how Mexico is taking drugs into the United States and killing our children.
And it's very important that people in that country, the Mexican people that live, I give you an example in California, understand the role of Trump in Mexico and the role of Trump in Venezuela.
I think that Trump is a peaceman.
He wants peace, but he wants to destroy all the drug votes.
I'm watching right now, like Democrats telling the people, hey, we have to stop the attacks against the drug votes.
Why?
So Trump wants to protect the Hispanic community, wants to protect the English community against these drug dealers and faint anilo.
It's very hard in Spain.
We don't have that problem.
It's a big problem that people from China, that people from Venezuela, they are having a lot of money from this drug that are killing the Americans.
So I'm very happy that you have a president right now in the United States taking care of other people to make America health again.
steve bannon
Javier, where do we get you on Real America's Voice Espanol?
How do we get all the news over there in your show?
javier negre
Yeah, we have a daily, a weekly show every Sunday at 8:8 in the afternoon.
So we are collecting all the influencers of the cultural battle that we are from Argentina, from Ecuador, from Bolivia.
In Bolivia, we have a right-wing president right now.
We are very happy.
We talk about the corruption in the Spanish government and the closest relationship between the Spanish government and the ex-president Zapatero with Maduro.
They are making millionaires deals, and there are socialists taking into the prison, you know, because they are making big deals with Maduro.
We want to tell all the Hispanic community how communism works in the whole world because they are like connected everywhere and they have like fonts in common in Iran, in China, in Russia.
We have to fight against these fake news that attack you, that attack me.
It's funny because in Spain, the leftists are telling all the people that I'm following your step, Steve, so I'm very proud of it.
So you are for me like a master.
It's like the Hispanic Steve Bano.
Of course, I want to follow your steps for the Hispanic community because I think it's very important.
We are helping right now, you know, parties like VOX in Spain.
The communism is really dangerous, and we need to win elections and we need to combat fake news platforms.
And here in America, we have a big, big thing in the Hispanic media that are controlling by the Democrats.
And I think that the White House gave us an example today, like how we can fight together against fake news media through Rafael Espanol and making good questions to Donald Trump president.
steve bannon
We look forward to seeing you back in the Oval, sir.
Great start, Javier.
Appreciate you, sir.
Great start.
javier negre
Thank you very much.
I would love to interview you in the Rhinea show every Sunday at 8 p.m. Eastern time.
Thank you very much, Steve.
steve bannon
I'll be there.
Thank you, sir.
Oscar, I'm going to hold you over into the next break.
Also, Caroline Wren is going to join me.
Very disturbing in Providence.
An extraordinary young woman up there.
I don't make sure.
I think this thing might have been targeted against a conservative.
We're going to get to that.
Caroline Wren is going to give you what she thinks.
Oscar Blue Ramirez, when I watched this today, brother, the very first thing that came to my mind, Oscar and Ben Merkwam, all those years you spent in the jungle, all of the years you spent with the cartels tracking you down, you have been saying this on this show for five years.
We need to designate fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction, and we need to designate the cartels as terrorist organizations.
Give me a minute before you go to break.
What do you think, sir?
oscar ramirez
It's a great accomplishment, and that is the perfect way to describe fentanyl as has been contaminated in the whole world, but it's specifically the United States of America to designate fentanyl as a weapon of mass destruction.
It is a great accomplishment.
And I hope that every single country and the whole continent recognize this way.
Weapon of mass destruction, Steve.
steve bannon
Oscar, hang on.
I'll hold you through the break.
Caroline Ren is with us.
David Malpass has an amazing piece in today's Wall Street Journal.
We're going to break it all down for you.
Short commercial break.
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unidentified
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bass.
steve bannon
A man that's gone in harm's way many times.
Oscar Blue Ramirez covering this story for years for his country and his countrymen.
Oscar, I remember the first time you came on the first time on the show.
They tried to kill you down there when you came on War Room.
You saw Homan's.
I mean, that's from the heart.
Tom Holman's as good as you get.
And he says, I've been all over the border.
I don't see any illegal aliens coming across.
You've been in the trenches.
You saw this day.
You've worked on this for a long time, you and Berquan.
What are the two or three actions you're looking for coming out of the White House now that the designation has taken place?
What are you looking for as far as action goes?
oscar ramirez
Immediate pressure to the Mexican government as to more exposure to the dirty politicians going to their bank accounts, and ultimately, at the end of the day, more pressure to dismantle these fentanyl laboratories.
That has been growing in Mexico because of the enormous pressure of Donald Trump pressuring the leftist political party on Mona, pressuring Shanebound, and ultimately, at the end of the day, pushing some pressure on the Mexican military to go to these random areas, dismantle the laboratories.
And from now on, Steve, it is full-on pressure to put on the Mexican government to actually go after the cartels, eradicate this problem, eliminate this problem, because the Mexican people, this is what they really want.
And now, more than ever, the Mexican people are siding with Donald Trump in terms of putting pressure to the corruption that is happening in our country.
steve bannon
Oscar, I'm going to have you back on the next couple of days, but I want to make an announcement.
You also are going to get a show on Real America's Voice Espanol.
Is that correct?
oscar ramirez
Yes, absolutely, sir.
You know, we have been blessed to be with Real America's Voice News.
Almost eight years, I've been working and broadcasting for your show over the war room and for the network and in English.
And now we have the glorious opportunity to speak in our language in Spanish to bring and to compete.
And we're coming.
We're going to take over the continent.
We're going to have a show, a full-on one-hour show in Rab Espanol.
And it is going to be, you know, full informative and clearly transparent and all right news, all not fake news like the leftist, you know, Hispanic news medias that they are installing in the United States of America, lying to our people that the Mexican people and the Latino and Latino, Hispanic people, we are conservative by nature, and we know our values, and we're going to try to bring that with Real America's Voice News and Espanol, sir.
steve bannon
Amen.
You're a very special guy and a very courageous guy.
Social media, where do people go, brother?
oscar ramirez
Oscar Blue Ramirez and Getter, sir.
I'm trying to grow that platform so that people can follow me at Getter.
Oscar Blue Ramirez on X.
And of course, Real America's Voice News, sir.
Thank you so much, sir, for the opportunity every time to be on War Room.
And like I have always said, you are an incredible mind, and we are really lucky to have you on this fight.
steve bannon
Thank you.
Appreciate it.
And great work today.
You and Ben Burquom have just worked for years on getting this done.
So fantastic.
Great for the White House, the team over there, Holman, the president, all of it.
New day dawning against war against these cartels.
Caroline Renn is going to join me.
Let's play a very moving Ed Mass yesterday.
There was an announcement made in Alabama.
Let's go ahead and cut to it.
unidentified
Some of you haven't heard.
A lot of you had heard the tragedy yesterday at Brown University, the shooting of a number of people.
And tragically, one of our parishioners, Ella Cook, was one of those who was killed yesterday.
And those of you who knew her, those of you who know her, she was an incredible, grounded, faithful, bright light.
Not only here, growing up here at the Advent and the myriad ways in which she served faithfully and the ways in which she encouraged and lift up those around her.
But at Brown University, she was an incredible light in that particular place as well.
And her parents as well, and her family, Richard and Anna, and Hooker and Mary Hamner.
So very gracious, so very faithful.
You yourselves, a good and gracious light.
We hear in the words of John's gospel: the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness cannot and the darkness will not overcome it.
And as the body of Christ, we grieve as people who are hopeful, people with the awareness of what we hear, our God will come and save us.
steve bannon
The light was shines in the darkness and the darkness comprehends not.
Caroline Wren, there's something not right about this thing in Brown.
And you got to understand, this young woman was a vice president of the College Republican Club, their Republican club, but was known as being very conservative, right?
In fact, some people got in trouble saying stuff on social media, basic stuff, but Brown is such a radical left.
Brown is by far, orders of magnitude, the most far-left student faculty and student body in the Ivy League.
And she stood tall.
There's all types of chat going around, et cetera, that the campus police and the authorities are thinking that this may be a targeted assassination on someone, ma'am.
caroline wren
This does, this hits close to home for me.
I got my start in politics with the College Republicans at Auburn University in Alabama.
And so this beautiful young girl from Mountain Brook, Alabama, you know, got her dream to go to an Ivy League school, Brown University.
And she was, you know, viciously gunned down on campus along with 11 other students, two of which are now dead, on Brown University's campus.
And this shooting happened 48 hours ago.
So far, we have zero information on the suspect.
We have one video of essentially a blob walking down an unidentified street.
And what is amazing, like Brown is a private Ivy League school.
It costs nearly $100,000 a year to attend.
And somehow a masked man walked into the lecture hall, shot 11 students that were there studying for their finals, then walked out, and there is no video footage.
Like, where are the cameras at Brown University?
How are we?
This is unbelievable.
There's 11,000 or so students at Brown University.
I think less than 1% identify as conservative, which puts the number somewhere around 92 students.
And somehow the vice president of the College Republicans died in this shooting.
It makes it very hard to believe that this was not targeted.
And why we don't know much about this also is because no one in the media is talking about it.
I saw one report that said the shooter, that some of the students in the lecture hall said that the shooter yelled Ali Ukbar before opening fire.
Then some people say that isn't true.
How hard is it to confirm that?
I mean, like, did he yell that or not?
You had a room full of 90 students in a lecture hall.
So, like, at a basic level, could we just confirm that?
Because that might explain the motive here.
And, you know, this comes on the heels of the FBI today announcing that they thwarted, thank God, a planned terrorist bombing in Los Angeles on New Year's Eve by a pro-Palestine group.
But apparently, the media, they don't care.
All they don't want to talk about the mass murder that just happened at Brown University or the terrorist plot that was just thwarted in Los Angeles.
All they want to talk about is the rhetoric around Donald Trump's post about some movie director, Rob Reiner, that I've never heard of, who was murdered by his coked out, deranged, drug-addicted son that he raised in Hollywood.
So it's not even that shocking of a story.
And so I just, I can't, I don't want to talk about the movie mogul that was killed.
I want to talk about Ella Cook, the 19-year-old, the beautiful young girl from Mountain Brook, Alabama, the Christian leader of the only conservative group on campus that was just shot in the face.
And some reports are saying that.
Why aren't we discussing that?
That is what I want to be talking about right now.
steve bannon
Why is you know, Cash?
I understand they're busy.
They got stuff going on.
They just rolled up this group in LA.
But when you see the mayor and you see the chief of police and the campus police, it's Keystone Cops.
Cash and Bongino should take this one over and they should be at the microphones telling us what happened.
And we should have daily updates.
I mean, it's kind of stunning.
A guy, somebody can walk in on a study session because this was a called study session to get ready for finals.
It's not like a regular class.
Hell, it's a Saturday afternoon.
How many college kids are in class on Saturday afternoon?
Something happened and got this guy there.
We don't know anything about it.
And it's just, it's just the laws of probability when you have a known, very conservative young woman that's VP of the Republican Club has gone out of her way, not to be controversial, but to help people that are getting dragged and ratioed on social media.
And she's known as kind of a safe space.
That's how brave she is, that she's gunned down and shot in the face.
And it's just too random, right?
It's just, it doesn't make sense.
Maybe it is, but we got to get there.
And you're right.
I don't even want to put the picture up.
It's such a joke.
I thought it was a parody with somebody.
It's across a parking lot and it's a little black thing walking around that's dressed up for winter with nothing and they don't have any explanation.
This is like the Keystone cops running this.
Is it not Caroline Wren?
caroline wren
Yeah, it is.
I mean, this is part of the problem.
Like Providence, Rhode Island is small.
But their police force is who is running this.
Cash has come out and said that the FBI out of Boston is coming in to assist, but technically, you know, they don't have jurisdiction over it unless it's confirmed that it's domestic terrorists or that the suspect crossed state lines.
And so I think having the Providence police, though, lead this is kind of crazy.
They've proven that I think it's too small and that the FBI does need to come in and really take this over.
But the governor has to request that.
And so I'm hoping that that happens soon because I don't believe that this is just some random attack.
There's a pattern of these attacks.
Three months ago, we watched as Charlie Kirk got assassinated on live television.
And then President Trump has had two assassination attempts against his life.
More than half the cabinet and White House staff have all had to move on to military bases due to the threats against their lives.
I mean, Alina Haba and Ed Martin have both been attacked.
Stephen and Katie Miller had to move out of their home because left-wing lunatics were riding in chalk every morning on their driveway, death threats.
A left-wing sniper just murdered three people at an ICE facility in Texas.
We just had two National Guards troops gunned down in D.C.
I mean, I can go on and on, but like there's a pattern here.
And it is a pattern of left-wing violence against conservatives, against Christians, and we have got to stop it.
And this takes the FBI's full and present attention, not some coked out movie sons murder mystery plot taking place in Los Angeles right now.
Don't care.
steve bannon
Caroline Ren, where do people go?
You're putting stuff up on social media about this.
Where do people go?
caroline wren
It's at Caroline Wren on Twitter, Getter, and Truth Social.
steve bannon
Thank you, ma'am.
Appreciate you.
caroline wren
Thank you.
steve bannon
You know, the Rob Runder thing is obviously horrific to have your son, and they pulled bail, was $4 million, to have your son come in on a Sunday and slit your throat and then kill you, your wife that have tried to care for this guy, and he's got drug problems, et cetera.
But whatever the president says, the president's going to say, that doesn't, and this whole media firestorm, you're not covering the most important stories in the country.
Once again, it's Trump derangement syndrome, the signal and the noise.
And this is outrageous because people getting, this thing in Providence does not make any sense at all.
None.
There's been no explanation.
It doesn't seem like anybody competence on top of it.
So I got to tell you, it's just like what happened in Savannah.
And Savannah had the acid attack.
And they're stumbling around down there.
These are patterns.
You can see what's happening here.
They're going after Christians.
They're going after conservatives.
And unless you fight back, it's going to continue.
David Malpass, you joined us and you gave us kind of a headline of what was going to happen here.
We got about a minute before I go to break.
I'm going to hold you through.
This piece in the Wall Street Journal is very powerful because I kind of read it as that the Fed is going to be a constant headwind.
They're going to kind of work against the Trump growth plan.
Is that the way to take it?
That the more President Trump and the Secretary of Treasury try to work towards growth, a supply side, you've got this kind of countervailing structural wind that's going to be thwarting our growth.
Is that correct?
david malpass
That's right.
The system is set up with models, Steve, where they think that growth causes inflation, so they ought to tamp down growth with high interest rates.
And that's getting locked in.
Well, it's been locked into the system for a long time.
It fights and fights against growth.
And the huge problem is the economic community really believes in it.
They think that they can measure inflation, that they can measure the amount of money and control of it within the economy.
And it hasn't been working.
Look at the huge jumps in inflation that we had in the Biden administration.
So I'm afraid they're doing it again.
This time, they'll fight against growth as we go into 2026.
steve bannon
This is bad.
Stick around, David.
Okay, this is the opinion piece.
Beware the trap of demand-side economics.
David Malpass asks, why are faster economic growth forecasts a reason not to cut rates?
He'll explain it all to us.
One of the central issues of 2026: economic growth and inflation.
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Next, we will fight till they're all gone.
tom homan
We rejoice when there's no more.
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Let's take down the CCP.
Here's your host, Stephen K. Bass.
Okay.
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Malpass, here's the problem.
I want everybody to read this piece and thank you.
And thanks, I want to thank the Wall Street Journal for putting it up.
Trump's and Besson's theory of the case and yours and Steve Moore and Arthur Lafferton.
Everybody's worked on this, the supply side tax cut, right, is supposed to bring capital in for production.
You're actually saying with this demand side that they've got a blocking function.
The more we try to have growth, the more they're going to fight us with no rate cuts.
And you're never going to get the full growth you could have, the three and a half, four, four and a half, five percent growth.
Am I correct in thinking that?
That we got a this is going to be a permanent headwind, sir?
david malpass
That's right.
I think it extends all the way out into 27.
They've got a lock on the board of the Federal Reserve.
But think about it.
If the country is doing well, shouldn't we have lower interest rates, not higher interest rates?
And not just in the short end, but in the long end as well.
That'd be mortgage rates should be coming down if the country is doing well.
But that's not the way the models work.
The Fed's models are entrenched.
So they actually have the idea of there being an output gap that if the economy is growing faster than it should, then you should raise rates.
They also have failed models on inflation.
So let's look at that.
If people's wages are going up, you're going to see it in the price of services.
That gets picked up in the Fed's models on inflation, and they hike the rates to squelch the wage hikes that are going on.
So it fights against exactly the outcomes that we're trying to get.
That's why it's called the demand-side model.
And what I've advocated all along with all the people you mentioned is a supply-side model that's built on defending the dollar and letting interest rates come down so that people can grow at the bottom end of the income curve.
We want the short rates down for small businesses, but we also want the long rates down for mortgages.
And that's not going to happen under their current models.
steve bannon
So clearly, Paul Gijot and the team over at the Wall Street Journal's editorial page, which are no fans of the war room and we're not fans of theirs, but that's okay.
We respect them.
We don't like them or don't think that we think they're wrong.
But they must be concerned about this also, because they kind of gave you prime property today.
What's the thinking behind the scenes of the brains in the business press?
Are they concerned about this also?
david malpass
Because since they've given you such great coverage of this, I think there's confusion in the economics community, so people get tangled up.
And that's what I was writing about today.
I guess it'll be in the journal maybe tomorrow morning, but it's online now.
And people can find it by Googling Malpass WSJ.
And you see quite a bit of what I've written.
And I'm grateful to them for giving me space to talk about this.
The economics community is way over on the other side.
They think everything's going fine.
I've written this over and over again that they think inflation targeting has worked.
And you look back on the 30 years of history of the United States and it doesn't work at all.
But they don't get it.
They don't want to change the model because they all got their PhDs based on that model.
steve bannon
David, where do people go on social media to get you?
You're putting up great stuff all the time.
And I do want to thank the Wall Street Journal too for giving you such a big amount of space to work this problem.
It's a big problem.
It's going to got to be worked out.
So where do people go?
david malpass
On X at David R. Malpass, or you can Google Malpass WSJ.
Just put it into the Google banner and the articles pop up and they show you what's wrong with the models.
steve bannon
Thank you, sir.
Look forward to drilling down this having me back on.
David Malpass, former head of the World Bank and a senior member of President Trump's first Treasury Department.
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