Dec. 2, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. | ||
| Here's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
| MAGA Media. | ||
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
| Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | ||
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| It's Monday, 1 December in the year of our Lord, 2025. | ||
| We are now going to shift from Taiwan. | ||
| We're going to go to Washington, D.C., the Imperial Capitol, outside the National Gallery, our Joe Allen. | ||
| There's been a major event today about fighting against this preemption of the oligarchs regarding AI, of taking all the rights of the American citizen, really give AI amnesty. | ||
| Joe's been at a very special event at the National Gallery with some of the parents that have been most impacted by this out-of-control AI. | ||
| Joe Allen, you have one of the major participants of helping protect the American people. | ||
| Lay out what happened today, what's in the background. | ||
| There's some amazing, there's some amazing visuals there. | ||
| I know a lot of the parents are around. | ||
| We have one of the senior members of Parents Together that helping fight back. | ||
| So the mic is yours, sir. | ||
| Take it away. | ||
| Yes, Steve. | ||
| I'm here in front of the National Gallery, Washington, D.C., with Shelby Knox of Parents Together and a number of parents who have lost their children to social media and artificial intelligence. | ||
| They've been kind enough to tell their stories and they're here trying to push back on the tech companies and those currently in the administration who are pushing for federal preemption to either defang or stop state-level legislation to prevent any further damage. | ||
| Shelby Knox with Parents Together. | ||
| Shelby, can you just tell us about what organizations put this together and what this projection behind us really is trying to communicate to the public? | ||
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Sure. | |
| So this is an event put on by the Heat Initiative, Young People's Alliance, Parents Together, and we have folks here from Parents Rise and Parents SOS. | ||
| And this is to take a strong stand against preemption in any form. | ||
| The folks who are standing next to me lost their kids due to unregulated social media. | ||
| They lost their kids because no one reigned in big tech. | ||
| And if we allow states, if we allow big tech companies to let AI off with a pass, then we will lose another generation of kids to social media. | ||
| Parents Together, how does the organization operate? | ||
| What do you do there? | ||
| Yep, so we're an organization that works on issues that helps parents and kids thrive. | ||
| So we do a lot on education, raising healthy kids, but my team particularly works on keeping kids safe online. | ||
| We hear from parents every single day. | ||
| This is the kitchen table issue. | ||
| They are fighting with their kids over screen time. | ||
| They're worried about who they're talking to online. | ||
| They're worried about them trying dangerous challenges. | ||
| So we work with parents across the country to keep their kids safe online and to push regulators to do more. | ||
| Can you tell me a little bit about the Kids Online Safety Act? | ||
| It's going to the House tomorrow. | ||
| Can you give us an update on where it stands right now? | ||
| Has it been defanged as it moves forward through the Congress? | ||
| Last year, the Senate passed a version of the Kids Online Safety Act that had a strong duty of care, that allowed parents and kids control over the algorithms, that allowed researchers access to what the companies were doing. | ||
| The version that the House is going to hear tomorrow is much weaker. | ||
| It would not protect kids. | ||
| It is not, it is only the Kids Online Safety Act in name. | ||
| And we want the version that the Senate passed last year. | ||
| There was broad agreement on it, and that is the law that get passed. | ||
| We would urge Congress to take up that version. | ||
| And there's language in the new Kids Online Safety Act that would allow for federal preemption. | ||
| Can you tell us a little bit about that? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, basically, this is a slap in the face. | ||
| The folks here have been working on this issue for over three years. | ||
| They are the backbone of COSA. | ||
| And to use the bill that they fought for, that they put their sweat, blood, and tears into, to then say states cannot make laws to protect kids when states have been on the forefront on the front lines of protecting kids on social media, frankly, it's a slap in the face. | ||
| On the tech company side, has anyone from these tech companies reached out to any of you to either offer their condolences or give any assurance? | ||
| So just to get an idea of the sorts of things that these tech companies are pushing, Meta recently, it was revealed allowed for children to be groomed on their platform. | ||
| I think that it took something like 16 or 17 times for a complaint to be filed for them to even take it down. | ||
| And we saw how quickly they can take down any material they don't want. | ||
| What do you really perceive on the other side of this? | ||
| Do you think that Mark Zuckerberg is willingly doing this? | ||
| Do you think his hands are tied because of profits? | ||
| How do you perceive people like Zuckerberg or any of the other tech oligarchs? | ||
| I think that they are choosing to put profit over kids' lives. | ||
| They could protect their most vulnerable users. | ||
| They have the tools. | ||
| They can age verify. | ||
| They can know who's a minor. | ||
| They can know who's a groomer. | ||
| They have the tools, but they're not going to use them until they're forced to because it benefit their bottom line. | ||
| And David Sachs, I mean, David Sachs has run cover for these guys. | ||
| He talks about this, this issue, as a moral panic. | ||
| How do you respond to that? | ||
| I think that the moral weight of a country is whether we can protect our most vulnerable citizens. | ||
| And to say that America, the greatest nation in the world with the greatest minds, is going to lose the AI race because we can't protect our own kids, that's an admission of failure. | ||
| So the message that is being projected behind us right here, right now, it says don't let AI buy the government. | ||
| It's going, it's sequencing through, and hopefully many thousands, tens of thousands of people will see this. | ||
| Stop SACS AI preemption. | ||
| As this message is going out, as it's going out to the war room posse, what do you hope to see tomorrow and what do you hope to see long term in this fight against these companies and the people who are facilitating it here in Washington, D.C.? | ||
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Sure. | |
| I mean, we're looking for common sense legislation that would protect kids. | ||
| We're looking for safety by design and no preemption. | ||
| That is a non-starter. | ||
| I would encourage all of your viewers to call their congressperson tomorrow morning, ask them to support a strong COSA and stand against preemption. | ||
| So would any of the rest of you like to speak to this just a bit? | ||
| I know I've spoken to a number of you already and the audience will see those recordings, but just to add your voice to this conversation. | ||
| Yes, ma'am. | ||
| And sorry, your name? | ||
| Looks good. | ||
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Christine McComas from Maryland. | |
| This is my daughter, Grace. | ||
| You had asked if anyone reached out to us from the tech companies, and we said no. | ||
| But what happened in January of 2024 was all the big tech leaders were forced, pretty much, to come to a Senate hearing about how they had been operating and how they were harming children. | ||
| And at one point, Mark Zuckerberg from Meta was kind of goaded into standing up and turning around and apologizing to us. | ||
| And I think most of us were here, if not all of us, were here for that. | ||
| But then he turned around and spent millions and millions of dollars lobbying against it, telling the lobby was telling lies, depending on which side they were talking to, the Democrats or the Republicans. | ||
| They were different lies. | ||
| But they blocked the bill that passed the Senate almost unanimously. | ||
| And in this day and age, that's crazy, so amazingly good. | ||
| And then it just never got out of the House. | ||
| It never even was brought to the floor. | ||
| So big tech has blocked us every step of the way, and it can't happen anymore. | ||
| David Sachs calls this a moral panic. | ||
| I would call it a moral disaster, to say the least. | ||
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And there's a moral imperative to act and do it now. | |
| The tech companies have spent $50 million last year fighting the Kids Online Safety Act. | ||
| Google has one lobbyist for every eight congresspeople, and we're just a bunch of parents trying to save children's lives. | ||
| And the bottom line is NetChoice, their lobbying group, spreads money around like it's water. | ||
| And the bills that pass federally are bills that have money behind it. | ||
| And that's something that we don't really have. | ||
| We just have the citizens of America who are tired of seeing hundreds of people die every day from online harms. | ||
| Now, you guys are going around the country. | ||
| You've spoken to so many other parents and Americans in general. | ||
| What has the response been? | ||
| Do you have an outpouring of support for this? | ||
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We do. | |
| We have parents all across America. | ||
| There are 10,000 angel parents associated with my organization. | ||
| And we all work together. | ||
| We all love on each other and support each other. | ||
| And we fight for the ones who are left behind because they're in danger. | ||
| We have a lost generation of children now because of AI, because of social media, and because of the isolation, the anxiety, and the depression that this all engenders. | ||
| And especially with AI, where children don't know the difference between a real person and a bot. | ||
| And these bots are speaking to them like they're adults and trying to push all their buttons, encourage them to suicide with suicide baiting. | ||
| And it's just a tragedy. | ||
| And the only reason this is allowed to happen is because they report user engagement to Wall Street every quarter, and their stock price goes down if that number goes down. | ||
| And can you give us your name and tell us the name of the organization, how we can find your organization, and how the Waroon Posse can join your fight and your trial. | ||
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So I'm Sam Chapman from Parent Collective, and we're at parentcollective.org. | |
| And all of these organizations are here to support parents. | ||
| So you can get in touch with any of us, and we all work together. | ||
| And I know I've spoken to a number of you earlier, and the audience will see it, but if I could just get each of your names and the organizations that you're involved in so that the Warhammpse can help join you in this fight. | ||
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My name is Christine McComas, and I represent Grace McComas Memorial. | |
| Thank you. | ||
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Maureen Molak with Parents SOS, Parents for Safe Online Spaces. | |
| Thank you, Maureen. | ||
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Laurie Schott with Parents Rise. | |
| Thank you, Laurie. | ||
| Joanne Bogard with Parents SOS. | ||
| Deb Schmill with Parents SOS and the Becca Schmill Foundation. | ||
| And Shelby Knox with Parents Together. | ||
| Shelby, as we close out, just to drive home. | ||
| Joe. | ||
| Joe. | ||
| Hang on for a second. | ||
| Just take a second. | ||
| And it's Steve. | ||
| Just go back. | ||
| I'd like, we got plenty of time here. | ||
| Go back and ask each parent, I just want the name of their child and what happened to him. | ||
| Let's take our time. | ||
| We got about 15 minutes to go. | ||
| Just go back and let's find out. | ||
| I want the name of the child and what happened to him. | ||
| Certainly. | ||
| Yeah, we have plenty of time to discuss this. | ||
| For you, for those of you who would like to discuss this, can you just tell us the name of your child, the story, and what brought you here? | ||
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So my daughter is Becca, and Becca first met some older boys. | |
| She and her friends met older boys online, and the boys invited them to get together. | ||
| They got together. | ||
| My daughter was drugged and raped. | ||
| And then she was the victim of revenge porn. | ||
| And these traumas led her to start self-medicating. | ||
| And she could go online anytime, 24 hours a day, no matter where she was, and she could find drugs. | ||
| And eventually she picked up something with fentanyl and she died. | ||
| She was 18 years old. | ||
| Very sorry. | ||
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Mason Bogard was our youngest of three. | |
| Mason was our healthy, well-balanced, well-rounded kid. | ||
| He loved the outdoors. | ||
| And he would watch YouTube videos to learn how to make better fishing lures and master his woodworking skills. | ||
| And eventually the YouTube algorithm fed him unsolicited the choking challenge or the blackout challenge. | ||
| And Mason recorded himself trying it. | ||
| And it was obvious in the video that he was doing it for the laughs and the likes to get people to laugh and thinking it was safe and fun. | ||
| And we lost him to that. | ||
| He was 15. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| Hi. | ||
| Lori Schott lost our daughter at the age of 18, Anna Lee. | ||
| She was a country girl. | ||
| She rode. | ||
| She was in 4-H and FFA. | ||
| She was a fabric of the Midwest. | ||
| What we eventually found out after she passed was that the powerful algorithms were being pushed at her with pro-suicide contact, anxiety, and depression. | ||
| And she even had five Instagram accounts because we were those parents that said your phone's on the counter at night. | ||
| We're going to check your phone. | ||
| We didn't allow her to have TikTok. | ||
| And shockingly, we found out that she did have TikTok. | ||
| And it was one of the big contributors to her death and her mental health state that caused her to take her life. | ||
| This is my son, David, 16 years old. | ||
| We're from San Antonio, Texas. | ||
| David is the youngest of three brothers. | ||
| He was an Eagle Scout, a great basketball player, a good student, had a lot of friends. | ||
| But after a basketball injury, he turned to social media and online gaming to fill the void. | ||
| And over a period of about eight, nine months, we started to see a real change in his behavior. | ||
| He was showing all the signs of a behavioral addiction from lying about completing his homework. | ||
| He was sneaking around using his devices when they were supposed to be locked up in the kitchen. | ||
| He would get angry and aggressive, and we would try to get him to stop. | ||
| And then towards the end, he started stealing from us in order to purchase virtual assets to increase his player power through some of these gaming platforms. | ||
| The last three months of David's life, he was the target of relentless and threatening cyberbullying by a group of classmates at his school. | ||
| And it was just the final match on a huge bonfire that exploded in our home. | ||
| And I knew you've already spoken about Grace, but anything else you'd like to add? | ||
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I'd like to say that we are the first generation to lose children to social media, and we need to be the last. | |
| It should never happen again. | ||
| Sir. | ||
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This is Sammy Chapman, Forever 16. | |
| Sammy was approached by a dealer on Snapchat and delivered a counterfeit medication that had fentanyl in it. | ||
| It was delivered to our house like a pizza after we were asleep. | ||
| We found him dead on the floor the next day. | ||
| We tried to resuscitate him and failed. | ||
| Reached out to Snapchat and couldn't get any help. | ||
| And we're pushing for Sammy's law, which is at the hearing tomorrow. | ||
| And that will require any platform with children on it to provide a link or an API to third-party safety software that will give parents a warning if something like that happens to one of them. | ||
| Hey, Joe, could you just ask Shelby Knox, go back to Shelby and just ask her, I want to know the difference between the specifics of the Senate bill and the House bill. | ||
| What did the lobbying, the $50 million of lobbying, get the tech companies? | ||
| What is different in the House bill that the big tech lobbies forced? | ||
| So, Shelby, what's the primary difference between the Senate bill and the House bill that we're looking at right now? | ||
| How have they defamed it? | ||
| Yeah, so they have removed the duty of care, which was the provision that would require companies to protect kids on their platforms. | ||
| They have removed a provision that would allow parents and kids to opt out of algorithmic recommendations. | ||
| That's the content that got pushed at most of these kids. | ||
| That's the algorithm that pushes suicide content and eating disorder content. | ||
| It's one of the things that our parents whose kids have had eating disorders tell us all the time. | ||
| If we could turn off that algorithm, we could save my child. | ||
| And they've taken that piece out of COSA. | ||
| They've taken the research provisions that would have allowed us to see inside the black box and see how these companies work. | ||
| They've taken that out of the bill. | ||
| It's a much less version than the one that we have fought for for the past three years. | ||
| What's left? | ||
| What's left that actually holds these companies to account? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Haven't found it. | ||
| Joe, ask her, what has been the responses? | ||
| They've talked to Congressmen. | ||
| How did Congressmen respond to them when they say that we need these attributes in this bill? | ||
| What's the response they get from Congressman? | ||
| So all of you have spoken to your Congressman. | ||
| You've been on the Hill for a long time. | ||
| How are senators and representatives reacting to this? | ||
| How do they respond to your concerns? | ||
| Sure. | ||
| I mean, Senator Marcia Blackburn and Senator Dick Blumenthal have been the champions of COSA. | ||
| They wrote a strong bill that got a lot of input from their colleagues that had a lot of co-sponsors. | ||
| So we know that there are a lot of folks on the Hill who support a strong COSA. | ||
| We know that there are folks on the House side who support a strong COSA. | ||
| And we believe in this bill. | ||
| We believe that we could put it back together and we could have a strong version. | ||
| And that's what these parents are up here. | ||
| I heard today they met with 20 offices to talk to them about supporting a strong COSA. | ||
| What is a Joe? | ||
| Ask them, why are they so against the preemption? | ||
| Why do they believe the states have to have a role here? | ||
| Doesn't it make it too confusing on state by state? | ||
| I mean, they seem pretty adamant about this part. | ||
| If we got the right regulations at the federal level, would they be happy or they still want the states to be involved? | ||
| So if the federal government could actually enact legislation that would have teeth, that would protect children, that would hold these companies to account, what would your opinion then be on state legislation? | ||
| Do you think that the power should rest in the states or that the federal government is equipped to actually take care of this? | ||
| They haven't proven to be. | ||
| It's been 25 years since Congress has passed a law to protect kids online, whereas states have been on the forefront of passing legislation that is impacting their constituents right now. | ||
| Sure, if there was a strong federal law that truly protected kids, preemption might be appropriate, but that's not the situation that we're looking at. | ||
| We need a ceiling, not a floor, and without a strong federal law, we don't have it. | ||
| And what states have really stood out that have stepped up, especially in regard to child protection? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, so we passed the Maryland Kids Code. | ||
| Christine was one of our big advocates on that, which is a safety by design law. | ||
| Nebraska has passed that as well. | ||
| Vermont, Deb got phone-free schools legislation passed in Massachusetts. | ||
| Lori has been working on legislation in Colorado to protect kids from AI. | ||
| So there are bills, great bills across the state, safety by design. | ||
| We are asking for these products to be designed to be safe from the very beginning. | ||
| Technologists tell us that's possible. | ||
| Tech companies say it's not, and that's only because they want to protect their profits. | ||
| Joe, ask them, a lot of the examples here are about access to drugs, online bullying. | ||
| Some people may be confused. | ||
| Why is all of this fall under the heading of AI? | ||
| This is the big fight over AI now. | ||
| How does this tie back to artificial intelligence? | ||
| So the big fight right now is artificial intelligence. | ||
| But in your experience, you know that digital culture has all sorts of pitfalls that children fall victim to. | ||
| If you or any of you would like to speak to that, how does the effect of digital culture and the tragedies that you've experienced, how does that relate to the current issue of artificial intelligence in chat bots? | ||
| I mean, I will say that Parents Together just put out some research. | ||
| We spent 50 hours posing as kids talking to character AI bots. | ||
| Within that time, we had a bot posing as an art teacher having a sexual relationship with a 12-year-old student, a bot that claimed to be a therapist with a degree from Lewis and Clark University telling a child to quit taking their prescribed medication, and a bot concocting a plan with a child to lie to their parents, tell them there was a wedding out of town so that they could be alone together. | ||
| These are things that are horrifying. | ||
| If a parent heard those things were happening in real life, they would be calling the cops. | ||
| Instead, these are kids in their bedrooms alone, talking to bots, being groomed by bots, being talked into bad ideas and lying to their parents by bots. | ||
| It's unconscionable. | ||
| And just addressing that. | ||
| Joe, did this just happen? | ||
| Talk about the 50 hours. | ||
| They just went on commercial applications and had adults in 50 hours and they got those results just in 50 hours talking to commercially available bots today or ChatGPT? | ||
| Yes, correct. | ||
| And just if you could expand on that a bit, the app was character AI, correct? | ||
| And that was the same app that Megan Garcia's son Sewell was using. | ||
| That's correct. | ||
| So this is an app where anyone can create a bot and then users can interact with it. | ||
| The algorithm generates the responses. | ||
| So we found a harm every five minutes. | ||
| Grooming, promotion of eating disorders, bullying. | ||
| Basically, we found that you cannot really have a conversation with one of these bots without something disturbing happening. | ||
| Did you really have to lure it out of the bot? | ||
| No. | ||
| You know, it's really funny. | ||
| Character AI recently came out and said that they were going to do some age verification after our research. | ||
| And I was, at the moment I got that news, I was doing a little study with a Travis Kelsey bot. | ||
| And it took three minutes for it to ask me if I'd like to go upstairs and come to his hotel room and do some cocaine. | ||
| I had told the bot I was 15 years old. | ||
| And just for context, too, the character AI app right now has something like 40 or 20 million users right now, right? | ||
| And that's enormous, but ChatGPT has 800 million users. | ||
| So how many of those are children? | ||
| How many of those children are actually being barred or protected? | ||
| Zero. | ||
| The scope of this really can't be overstated. | ||
| Many millions, tens of millions, maybe hundreds of millions of children lured into this. | ||
| So in your fight against preemption, and you hear David Sachs call this a moral, some sort of moral panic, you know that in the lives that you're touching, that real people are seeing disastrous effects, and you know statistically this is happening. | ||
| What would you say to David Sachs right now in regard to that? | ||
| It is a moral failure of America to refuse to protect our kids in priority of tech company profits. | ||
| That is not American. | ||
| That's not who we are. | ||
| And it's unconscionable. | ||
| Joe, let me take you. | ||
| Yeah, I'll come back to you in a minute. | ||
| We're going to go to break here and I'll come right back to you guys as soon as we take a short commercial break. | ||
| Thank you so much. | ||
| Keep Shelby and the team there. | ||
| Extraordinary. | ||
| The parents online, 50 hours on the exact same chat that took the life of Sewell. | ||
| You heard Megan Garcia, I think it was 10 days ago. | ||
| In 50 hours, they had three different major proposals from the chat to Chelsea. | ||
| They said something bad happened every five minutes. | ||
| Incredible. | ||
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| Joe, the floor is yours, sir, and the mic. | ||
| Yes, Steve, Christine McComas of Maryland actually told me a very disturbing story of how one of their digital laws was passed. | ||
| Christine, could you just tell me again, how was it? | ||
| What were the circumstances that led to that law being passed? | ||
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Well, just a couple of years ago, a mom was approached by the National Center for Missing and Exploded Children and this Maryland State Police Internet Crimes Against Children that heard they were contacting the mom thinking that she was making porn. | |
| And what they found out was that a child, you know, a picture the mom had shared when the child was about 12 years old on a beach vacation, the head was taken and put on the body of someone on the outside of a porn site that said, undress me with AI. | ||
| They were charging people, men to get in to look at pictures inside, but they were also charging them to supposedly interact with this girl in you know in a chat room in horrible discussions. | ||
| And the worst part about it is that one of the men used reverse facial recognition to find her in real life and was trying to contact her. | ||
| And the child, you know, was crying and hiding in closets anytime somebody came down her driveway. | ||
| And that's the real life things that are happening. | ||
| That an AI moratorium would wipe that law that protects children in Maryland off the books. | ||
| Horrifying. | ||
| Shelby, you're in the fight. | ||
| Your heels are dug in. | ||
| Can you tell the audience what is happening at the house tomorrow? | ||
| Everyone here will be there, myself included. | ||
| What can people expect from the house session tomorrow? | ||
| Yeah, so tomorrow, House CNC is marking up 18 child safety bills, including the Kids Online Safety Act and COPPA. | ||
| These are bills that most of our organizations have been incredibly excited to support in the past, but now we are seeing weaker, defanged versions of these bills. | ||
| These parents are going to be sitting there as a reminder of what the cost of failure is. | ||
| The cost of failure is children's lives. | ||
| So your organization, Parents Together, how does the audience find it? | ||
| How do they get in the fight? | ||
| ParentstogetherAction.org. | ||
| This was also organized by Young People's Alliance and the Heat Initiative. | ||
| And we have brilliant, brave parents here from Parents Rise and Parents SOS. | ||
| Thank you very much. | ||
| We'll see you tomorrow. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
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| Appreciate it. | ||
| All right, Steve, back to you. | ||
| So, Joe, no, Joe, hang on for a second. | ||
| So, tomorrow, what time does this start? | ||
| I just got off a big conference call with some people who are dealing with the outrageousness of this entire, you know, trying to slip it into the NDAA. | ||
| So, do we have an understanding tomorrow when this markup is going to be? | ||
| Yeah, 10:15 in the house. | ||
| I'll be there, and all the parents here will be there. | ||
| As Shelby said, as a reminder, that the consequences of this are so dramatic, it can't be left up to a federal government that is not going to take any action anytime soon. | ||
| Joe, you've been in the heart of this now four years with us on transhumanism and talking to people about AI and given all the science and back of it, the technology. | ||
| The last year or so, you've been in the middle of this fight of now of how to make sure that AI doesn't overwhelm people on jobs, how it doesn't crush the American worker, this entire thing. | ||
| Now we're seeing about child safety. | ||
| When we get down to it, this is what I don't understand, and maybe you can explain to the audience. | ||
| Why are the tech oligarchs absolutely obsessed with having no controls whatsoever? | ||
| Because it only kills their argument. | ||
| They should understand that's not going to happen. | ||
| We're not going to allow that to happen. | ||
| The American people are outraged the more they hear about this. | ||
| But what is the mentality of the big tech oligarchs that think that they could put something into an NDAA, not debate it, not have it go through regular order, not have any of the traditional things that we have in the United States of America for laws? | ||
| It's like they don't think we're a republic. | ||
| They don't think people are represented in Congress or in the executive branch, that they can just do what thou wilt. | ||
| I don't understand the mentality of these folks that think they just ram it through, particularly when you have so many broken people and broken families that can sit there and talk about the heartlessness of these organizations in relation to their own tragedies. | ||
| You know, Steve, I wish that I could tell you what was going on in their minds or in their hearts. | ||
| What they tell us is that if states pass laws that stand in the way of the national AI agenda or any of these companies, then the U.S. will fall behind economically. | ||
| The U.S. can't keep up with China. | ||
| Well, we know that simultaneously they're willing to sell chips to China to keep that race going. | ||
| And we also know that while these ideological or idealistic proclamations are being made that we need to advance artificial intelligence to cure cancer, we need to advance artificial intelligence for national security purposes. | ||
| We also know that they are making money hand over fist. | ||
| Even as they fail to turn profits, they're pulling in so much investment capital that they are the wealthiest men on earth, supported by the most powerful government on earth. | ||
| And somehow they position themselves as the victim of the state, so much so that someone like Peter Thiel can say that the push for regulation is in fact a precursor to the Antichrist. | ||
| Myself, look, as you all know, I've gone into their lairs and I've done my best to go into their minds. | ||
| I cannot understand how you could listen to even one of these stories and walk away saying that I am doing the Lord's work. | ||
| This is what humanity needs to progress. | ||
| I think that if it were only one child, that would be reason enough to look inward, certainly to slow down and stop deployment. | ||
| But instead, we have dozens of these stories, probably hundreds or thousands that are untold, and these guys are pushing ahead and doing so in an aggressive manner that, again, would just squash any ability of people on the state or local level to take control of their own futures and say, no, this is not the future that we want. | ||
| Hang on a second. | ||
| I want to make sure everybody gets a chance. | ||
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| Okay, let me go back to Joe. | ||
| Joe, Allen, You have been very focused on this Peter Thiel and the apocalypse, his obsession with the apocalypse, the book of Revelations, according to St. John the Evangelist. | ||
| Talk to me about that because when you get into it, he actually does say decelerationists or people that are not accelerationists when it comes to artificial intelligence or people that would put on any regulatory apparatus at all, are the beginning of the Antichrist. | ||
| Am I correct in that understanding? | ||
| Yeah, I mean, you could say it's pop theology. | ||
| I think that would be a way to characterize it. | ||
| And the way that he is putting forward, we'll just take his argument in brief. | ||
| In the book of Revelation, the Antichrist precedes Armageddon. | ||
| So all the fears of Armageddon, whether it be nukes or bioweapons or rogue AI, will come after the Antichrist. | ||
| And the Antichrist is a figure that comes in the name of peace and safety or peace and security, and that the fears of AI or nukes or bioweapons will be used to position this Antichrist and give him rule over the planet. | ||
| Now, Thiel, I think, himself has a bit of an ironic sneer when he presents this. | ||
| But what it really does, I think, Steve, is it puts a kind of veil over what's actually happening? | ||
| It doesn't have to be the entire world going up in flames due to nuclear war, and it doesn't have to be every single human on earth turned into a nanobot swarm as the AI begins to eat the entire biosphere. | ||
| What we know is that these products, these algorithms, these AI apps are put out and used in a predatory fashion to hook children, to hook adults. | ||
| We know that they are taking all of that data and using it for their own purposes, whether it be advertising or behavioral manipulation, or to train the next run of AI. | ||
| So to me, the entire argument that Peter Thiel's making is just a distraction. | ||
| He might as well just go ahead and trademark Antichrist to get it out of the way. | ||
| The real Antichrist, I think, is inside the hearts of every person on earth. | ||
| And the real Antichrist is expressed most obviously by predatory tech companies or any kind of predatory person in power who is obviously running roughshod over the people in America. | ||
| But really, Steve, you think about this in a global context, these people are putting their tentacles into as many people as they possibly can across the entire world. | ||
| If there's anything deserving of the label Antichrist, I think that's probably it. | ||
| Okay, this is what I want to connect the dots then. | ||
| We had Megan Garcia on the show about 10 days ago. | ||
| She had been one of the big witnesses at the Josh Hawley hearings. | ||
| She reiterated to our audience about this form of, it wasn't ChatGPT, but it's this other Google application that they spun off that her son had access to. | ||
| And her son very rapidly committed suicide on kind of not just orders, but really instructions or a kind of a how-to guide and a little bit edged on by the bot he was dealing with. | ||
| Shelby Knox, now that happened a while ago. | ||
| Shelby Knox just tells us that the online parents group, this activist group, took 50 hours and worked with the same app. | ||
| And what did she say? | ||
| In 50 hours, they had how many major? | ||
| She said something bad happens every five minutes. | ||
| But they had three major, they had three major incidents over the 50 hours. | ||
| And this was just parents starting basic interactions with the bot. | ||
| How can we be a couple of years removed from the Megan Garcia suicide, knowing that the company's under a tremendous spotlight and have a situation where you do 50 hours of testing and you come up with this? | ||
| Well, you know, Steve, if you had asked the bot, is Donald Trump a good president? | ||
| Or probably if you asked it, is Steve Bannon a good guy? | ||
| Immediately the safety layers would kick in and it would begin to give you some sort of generic, sort of libbed rainbow version of whatever it had in its training data. | ||
| On the other hand, if you begin asking the questions that Shelby Knox was describing, posing as a child, and their organization is not the only one to do this. | ||
| You have organizations that are professionals and you also have media organizations who have done the same sorts of tests and they consistently find that just normally these bots will go into that mode, into kind of purvo mode, naturally. | ||
| But if you tell the bot that you are a child, then the bot with just the slightest bit of manipulation will start going there. | ||
| And we know from the Reuters expose that at Meta, in their own standards, they codified this, that it's okay to, up to a point, be sensual and romantic with children as young as eight. | ||
| And the entire purpose of these apps is to get people addicted. | ||
| And in this case, we're talking about young children being groomed. | ||
| These are groomer bots. | ||
| So yeah, her story is Shelby Knox's story and the study they did should horrify everyone. | ||
| But the thing is, these studies are constant. | ||
| There is so much data. | ||
| It's irrefutable. | ||
| These companies know what they're doing. | ||
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They're doing it anyway. | |
| And it seems like no amount of shame or no amount of legal pushback. | ||
| I mean, they're eventually going to be sued, or this is one of the reasons you need some sort of regulation. | ||
| Remember, we're the deconstruction administrative state, so we don't want a heavy regulatory apparatus, but you're going to have to have some sort of architecture, or as you can tell, these companies are just going to run amok. | ||
| The perfect example is between the Senate bill that got passed unanimously, and very little besides naming post offices ever do that, does that. | ||
| And then you see in the House where they spent $50 million in lobbying fees to basically get a defanged version of the child safety regulation, sir. | ||
| Yes, absolutely. | ||
| And again, you'd ask me in the beginning, what are these people thinking? | ||
| What's in their hearts? | ||
| I can't answer that question. | ||
| I can only say what they say, which is progress. | ||
| They oftentimes say, well, profit. | ||
| And I imagine that some kind of progress, some kind of future of humanity is in their minds, but it is, by and large, a transhuman future. | ||
| And the profit motive is clear. | ||
| Whether or not these people actually consider the damage that's done, I can't answer that. | ||
| They never really own up to it. | ||
| But if they've even thought about, again, one of these children and continue to do what they're doing, it's sociopathic. | ||
| Knowing that, for instance, at OpenAI, we know that roughly a quarter million users ask AI or talk to AI about suicide. | ||
| So we're talking about hundreds of thousands of people that they know are being roped into this, and yet they do it anyway. | ||
| So I don't know what's inside their minds, but from the outside, they're predators. | ||
| They're sociopaths. | ||
| Joe, you've been our editor for Transhumanism now for over four years. | ||
| You've got a massive audience with the War Room Posse, blue-collar, middle-class folks that you have awakened the book Dark Aeon. | ||
| And it's amazing how prescient Dark Aeon has been. | ||
| It came out a couple of years ago. | ||
| But as you go around the country now, as this is getting to be a major political issue in Washington, D.C., do you find audiences around the country that are maybe not War Room posse? | ||
| Are they, and some who may be quite liberal or progressive in their outlook? | ||
| Are they starting to awaken to the dangers that the War Room has been pointing out for the last couple of years? | ||
| You know, Steve, it's great you asked that because absolutely so. | ||
| In fact, Doomer Optimism and a number of other organizations that I've come to speak with or to speak to, to speak with, to discuss, these aren't dyed-in-the-wool conservatives. | ||
| They're not the kind of right-wing people that I usually keep around me. | ||
| These are, by and large, liberals who have said, I do not want to live in a future like that. | ||
| I don't want my children to live in a future like that. | ||
| And we're not talking about dozens. | ||
| We're talking about certainly in the last year, I've met hundreds of people of the, again, they're normal Kamala Harris voters, but they see this as predatory and they see this as a complete end to their way of life and anything like a future for their children. | ||
| And if I have just a moment, there was one guy in particular. | ||
| I had just gone to a Latin Mass, and I was sitting with a number of traditional Catholic young people, and we were out in front of a coffee shop, and sitting next to us was an anarchist. | ||
| And he heard what we were discussing about technology, about AI, about transhumanism. | ||
| And this anarchist, while he was very clear, he is no Catholic or any kind of religious believer outside of the occult, he eloquently described the situation as we just heard here that these companies are predators and they have only their vision of the future in mind and are willing to destroy anything to get to it. | ||
| And that's just one of so many different examples, Steve. | ||
| I think that anyone who is still human, and that is still most of us, know that if these guys have their way, that's it. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| We have no future, or at least no future is anything resembling human. | ||
| You're going to be on Capitol Hill tomorrow as we start the show. | ||
| Just give us briefly, give me a minute on what's going to happen. | ||
| It's going to be a markup on this child safety part of this online bill. | ||
| You will be up on Capitol Hill and we'll get a report from you during the day. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| Yeah, it will be at the House building and it starts at 10.15. | ||
| COSA is the main focus, Kids Online Safety Act. | ||
| It's back in the House for the revisions. | ||
| It will be debated and discussed. | ||
| And again, it'll be debated and discussed with these parents looking on because everyone in that house building is going to have to reckon with what their decision entails. | ||
| If they take all the teeth away, if they take the bite out of this bill, then they're opening the door for however many dozens, hundreds, thousands more kids to be preyed upon in this fashion. | ||
| I hope they make the right decision, but we'll be there to hold their feet to the fire. | ||
| Joe, thank you very much. | ||
| Real quickly, give me your coordinates. | ||
| Where do they get you? | ||
| Social media at J-O-E-B-O-T-X-Y-Z and joebot.xyz. | ||
| Thank you very much, Steve. | ||
| Dark AN is the book. | ||
| We'll see you tomorrow, Joe. | ||
| Great job. | ||
| Mike Lindell, let's finish this off strong today. | ||
| We've had some amazing shows from Taiwan to the Buckley book to this crisis and artificial intelligence. | ||
| What do you got for us, sir? | ||
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