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Dec. 1, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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Episode 4963: Radicalization Of The Democrats Leading Into 2026
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dave brat
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steve bannon
22:58
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david ignatius
01:38
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david zere
02:52
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joe lavorgna
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mark kelly
02:40
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matt van epps
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jake tapper
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jim vandehei
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karl rove
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mark kelly
In my case, Secretary Hegset said, prosecute him under the Uniform Code of Military Justice for, by the way, reciting the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
It's obviously ridiculous.
But this is an attempt to silence me, to get me to not hold this administration accountable.
We have a president who doesn't understand the Constitution, who installed an unqualified Secretary of Defense.
I cannot think of a Secretary of Defense in the history of our country that is less qualified than Pete Hegseth.
He should not be in this position.
He should have been fired after Signalgate, and now he should be fired again for this, if this is accurate.
So he's not going to get me to back down.
But what he is doing is sending a very chilling message across our entire nation, not only in the military, but the civilian workforce.
Who's going to speak up and say anything if they see something that's unlawful or see something waste, fraud, and abuse?
Why would anyone speak out if they can go and prosecute, try to prosecute a U.S. senator?
unidentified
Is it happening?
mark kelly
Well, I don't know.
I mean, I was notified about this through a tweet, the same tweet that you saw.
And that demonstrates how unserious this administration is.
They care more about the publicity about this than the process or the law.
I haven't been notified by the Navy.
unidentified
By the Navy or the FBI.
dave brat
So no.
mark kelly
We got something from the FBI, but the thing we received from the FBI, just like the President saying that we should be hanged, the thing we received from the FBI is more intimidation.
unidentified
What did it say?
mark kelly
Well, it just said there was no point of contact.
It had something about coming in for an interview.
And the question here should be, you know, why, did the FBI decide to do this?
Or do you think maybe the President told the FBI director to go after these six members of Congress?
So more bullying and intimidation, but Dana, I'm not backing down.
These guys don't scare me.
They're not serious people.
I mean the President of the United States and the Secretary of Defense.
david ignatius
Well, Joe, we're going to have a real series of tests now about what we mean by the rule of law in the United States.
What we mean when we say a judge, a judicial order has standing and that people are subject to it.
And if they disobey that order, they're subject to contempt of court.
We're going to have tests of whether the rule of law applies to combat in the way that it traditionally has.
Across the board, we're going to see just what our legal system in the end is worth in terms of guardrails, protections.
And in the end, that will come down to our Supreme Court, which will decide a series of key cases and set the framework, certainly for the rest of this administration, but I think for the future going forward.
But it's a time in which I think the rule of law is precious to us because we're seeing situations in which it seems to be abused with enormous consequences for people.
People shot in the water helplessly.
People thrown out of vehicles, cuffed in the situations you're describing in our cities.
So it's a time when that clarity is absolutely necessary and there is the beginning, thank goodness, of a bipartisan effort to be more serious in looking at exactly what the law says and how everybody, members of the Trump administration included, are subject to it.
mark kelly
I said something very simple and non-controversial, and Donald Trump said, I should be hanged, executed, prosecuted.
Pete Hegset said I should be court-martialed.
I mean, how ridiculous is this?
We say follow the law, and this is their response.
These are not serious people.
And Kristen, this is meant to just intimidate us.
We're sticking up for the Constitution here and the rule of law, and they're saying these folks should be executed for doing that.
unidentified
Doing it?
Acting like they're going to own Washington forever.
jim vandehei
It's crazy.
The country's been what it's been for the last 30 years.
It's basically 33% Republican, 33% Democrat, and then 33% Independent.
And we can quibble about the specificity of those numbers, but that's essentially the reality.
You live in a 50-50 country.
And every time that these parties calculate, like Trump is, that you can just play to your base and you can own the other side and you can leverage maximally the power that you have.
Independents say, I don't like it.
I want my economy to work.
I want my health care premiums not to go up 18%.
And I want my kids' schools not to suck.
If you can deliver on those things, I'll vote for you again.
Then the party doesn't deliver on it.
They get diverted by these topics that most people don't really care about.
I don't think many people in America were thinking about Venezuela at all unless you were from there originally.
I don't think most people are that worried about whether or not there's a drug flow coming illegally and whether that's the number one priority of the U.S. military.
karl rove
If the Republicans want to maximize their victories in 2026, they need to go back in the Wayback Machine to 1992 and remember the immortal words of that great strategist, James Carville.
It's the economy, stupid, he said, and you got to have an agenda that is forward-looking.
What are we going to have in the way of pro-growth policies that Americans will say, yeah, that'll make my family and my community and my financial prospects better?
And don't forget health care, Carville famously said.
The Republicans have got to have a healthcare agenda, otherwise they're going to be in deep trouble.
steve bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.
Here's not got a free shot at all these networks lying about the people.
The people have had a belly full of it.
I know you don't like hearing that.
I know you've tried to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
It's going to happen.
jake tapper
And where do people like that go to share the big line?
MAGA Media.
I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
steve bannon
Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
unidentified
Waru, here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon.
steve bannon
It's Monday, one December in the year of our Lord 2025 strap-in.
It's going to be pretty intense this morning.
We've got a lot to get through.
Far be it from me to agree with Carl Rove, my good buddy, Brother Kudlow, over at Fox Business.
But we have been preaching the gospel of the growth agenda ever since the Big Beautiful Bill, because guess what?
You made a bet on the growth agenda, and you got to work every day nonstop to make sure the bet pays off.
We're going to start at the Treasury Department, Joe Lavanier.
Look, Joe, you wrote a really incredible piece, and you were out on media late last week over Thanksgiving about affordability and the actions that Treasury and the President are taking on that.
And it's fantastic.
I want to start with that.
But the key to this, as we've said, is the Big Beautiful Bill, the supply-side tax cut, coupled with President Trump's redoing of the world's commercial relationships to drive manufacturing back to the United States.
Can you let's start an affordability actions taken and then we'll get into growth, sir?
unidentified
Sure.
joe lavorgna
Thank you, Steve, for having me in a belated happy Thanksgiving.
On the one big beautiful bill, there's a few pieces to it, very important.
On the CapEx expenditure side, it allows companies permanently to deduct 100% of their capital expenditure when they invest in computers, other sorts of technologies.
That matters because it lifts productivity with higher productivity.
You get faster wages.
That increases affordability.
The next piece, Steve, is the 100% expensing for structures.
That will start from the beginning of this year and go to 2028.
What that will encourage is a factory sector boom that will help us reindustrialize by creating the infrastructure necessary to produce the goods that people want.
Those are going to entail high-paying jobs, both the construction jobs and the people that will work in those factories.
That's another way to lift affordability.
And last but not least, is the no-tax on tips and overtime.
That will increase after tax pay.
In the case of TIPS, it's about $1,700 per year extra income to households.
And on the overtime, potentially upwards of $1,800, according to CEO analysis.
So, if you want to deal with affordability, what the Trump administration is doing is giving people good jobs with high wages.
steve bannon
Are you confident?
Is Treasury confident?
Are you working with Commerce that, for instance, the CapEx, it's not simply going into data centers and the energy production you need for the data centers?
Are you guys having a feel now that it actually is coming back to even more basic manufacturing, kind of the manufacturing hegemon that we want to become or return to, and instead of just, and I'm not faulting artificial intelligence.
I've got a lot of problems with artificial intelligence.
I understand you need the data centers, but is the concentration of CapEx right now not just in data centers?
joe lavorgna
Yes, so Steve, when you look at the GDP data, you obviously see AI-related investment very strong.
However, if you also look below the surface, you see very good spending on transit equipment, very strong spending on just business equipment or industrial equipment.
So it transcends the AI.
We know from the first Trump administration when we had 100% expensing, it wasn't permanent then, it's permanent now.
You get all sorts of investment that give people the tools and the ability to earn more in their job.
Now, on the factory incentive, which is very novel, and Steve, just to give you an example, normally you would depreciate a factory over 39 and a half years.
We're going to now be able to depreciate a factory immediately in the year it was done, and it does not include data centers.
So we're very hopeful you're going to get some good, old-fashioned, cyclical type of industries that create good jobs with good pay, that will protect our supply chains and rejuvenate the manufacturing sector, which has suffered massively under the prior administration and, of course, for the bulk of the last 20-odd years.
steve bannon
How do you?
I know it's not just GDP growth, but it's GDP growth per cap.
You know, you're getting it back to the actual individual and to the family unit.
How do you avoid?
I assume in the numbers you're looking at for the fourth quarter, which hasn't finished even in the third quarter, that the government shutdown had some impact on that, on our growth rate.
How do you avoid the Democrats using that as another tool when we go back to the CR fight that's going to happen right after we get back from the holidays?
Because the CR, I think, terminates on January 20th.
joe lavorgna
So, Steve, look, in the second quarter, we take federal spending out.
We grew 4.5%.
It looks like we grew at 4% in the third quarter.
Both of those quarters were private sector-led, both consumption and capital expenditures, and part related to the supply side initiatives that you talked about.
Over the weekend, the spending data suggests that consumer spending accelerated this November versus last November.
There will be a hit on the government side.
The secretary's mentioned perhaps we lose a point and a half on GDP, but we're still probably looking at a good quarter for growth.
And we expect that, Steve, to be made up next quarter.
I mean, the thing about the bill that's so important is the forward is very, very positive because you've got tax incentives that are incentivizing businesses, encouraging businesses to spend on capital.
That always leads to faster hiring and a solid economy.
You overlay that with the energy and what the administration is doing on the energy side, where energy costs have come down dramatically.
We're seeing it on the gasoline side.
We're trying to do things on the nuclear side to provide cheap and abundant energy across the board.
That's really the mix, Steve, of a very generational shift in investment and growth.
And I'm very optimistic about it.
And President Trump's the person that could engineer this sort of boom.
steve bannon
I think you guys are very close.
I understand Treasury to announcing the Trump accounts.
There's also going to be not just the no tax on tips, less tax on seniors, of course, less tax on overtime.
Things are going to be announced and going to be hit, and it'll hit when people get their tax refunds.
What do you testify to that?
Is that going to be another infusion of cash and stimulus into the economy?
joe lavorgna
I don't want to preempt all the great news that's coming on the Trump accounts, but it's an incredible program that's going to build wealth and raise living standards for young boys and girls who are born.
They'll get those in their Trump accounts.
But broadly speaking, on the no tax on tips and overtime, that should net upwards of about $200 billion, Steve, to folks next year.
Some of it will come in refunds, which they'll get early in the first quarter.
Some of it they'll see their after-tax income go up because they'll have lower withholding taken out.
And that could be worth up about six-tenths of GDP.
So it's very encouraging.
And certainly when you don't tax overtime, you're going to encourage people to work more.
You're going to incentivize people to give their hard-earned efforts to keep more of their after-tax pay.
I mean, it's a very good story that we need to really get out and market and message more because this is money that's going to go right to people's pocketbooks and alleviate that affordability issue that you highlight is so important to folks.
steve bannon
Just hammer it every day.
It's a great story and it's being executed on.
It's starting to happen.
Joe, where do people get you on the official account over Treasury in your personal account, sir?
joe lavorgna
Sure.
Thank you, Steve.
At LaVorne Unionomics, and of course, more importantly, at Sec Scott Besson.
At SecScott Besson is a Treasury Secretary who's got some great tweets.
steve bannon
Thank you.
He certainly does.
Thank you, Joe, for starting out the week with us.
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steve bannon
Okay, welcome back.
Matt Van Epps joins us from Tennessee.
Seven, we're in a dogfight down there.
We couldn't have a better fighter.
Matt, nine combat tours, United States Military Academy graduate class of 2005.
I think you spent 10 years in.
Matt, Just summarize your curriculum vita here before we talk about what the war imposse needs to do today.
matt van epps
Well, Steve, honored to be on with you.
Thank you so much.
We're excited.
We just left a huge rally.
The president called into it.
The speaker is in town.
And it really, my background is one of leadership and service.
As you mentioned, West Point was a special operations aviation combat helicopter pilot, went on to work in small business here in Nashville as a leader, served in Tennessee state government, and I'm still serving in the Tennessee Army National Guard today.
And that real world boots on the ground.
Leadership experience is a differentiator in this race.
But it's also the other differentiators is that my opponent is super far left, endorsed by the socialists, does not like the district that she's trying to represent.
And the contrast here could not be more clear.
And it's why I need everybody, every Republican, every American who loves freedom to get out and vote tomorrow in the Tennessee 7th congressional death break.
steve bannon
So is there a place to go today to find out if people are confused about their districts or places people can go, your website or people to talk to, if people want to help with a phone bank?
We need a massive turnout tomorrow.
I understand the weather might be inclement.
So where should people go?
What should people do?
matt van epps
So you can get that information on my website, matt4tn.com.
That's mattf-o-r-t-n.com.
We've got election information, links to the Secretary of State's website so you can find your polling location.
But that's mattfortn.com, and I appreciate that a whole lot.
steve bannon
Matt, just one question.
Your opponent, correct me if I'm wrong.
Didn't she was caught on tape saying she hated country music and she didn't like Nashville?
She actually wants to represent this district in Congress, sir?
matt van epps
Yes, sir.
That's right.
She said on tape she hates Nashville.
She hates country music.
But it goes even further than that.
She wants to defund the police, abolish prisons.
She supports transgender surgery for minors without parental consent.
And she wants new and higher taxes to fund her socialist agenda.
She's been endorsed by the Democratic Socialists of America.
So there's a whole lot there, and the distinction between the two of us could not be more clear.
steve bannon
Matt, one more time.
This audience wants to get involved.
Where do they go today?
matt van epps
Yes, sir.
It's matt4tn.com.
That's mattf-o-r-t-n.com.
And I need everybody to get out tomorrow and vote.
Need them to fight through any bad weather, be safe, but get to the polls and let's bring this thing home.
And we're going to win decisively tomorrow.
steve bannon
Matt Van Epps, thank you very much.
A warrior and patriot.
Thank you, sir.
Appreciate you.
matt van epps
Thank you.
steve bannon
Okay, Dave Bratt.
You've been in this before.
This is one of these special elections, Dave.
As you know, turnout is everything.
MAGA and the Warren Posse are known for turnout.
So tomorrow, and the weather is supposed to be a little inclement in Nashville.
Talk to people.
How important it is.
It's hard to get people out.
The War Room Posse with the precinct strategy and everything else we worked on are experts at doing that.
We've proven it time and time and time again.
We need this seat.
We need to hold this seat.
Talk to me about the motivation of getting people out today.
You should be contacting Epps's Van Epps' website to find all the information.
But tomorrow, we need every War Room Posse member in Tennessee 7, even if you're outside Tennessee 7, helping people get to the polls, particularly if people are elderly.
If they didn't vote early, like I said, the weather may not be great, but that's the strength of MAGA.
We're mudders, as they say in horse racing.
Dave Bratt.
dave brat
Yeah, that looks like a great race.
And our side sometimes thinks when you reel off the list of horribles from the far-left, you know, Marxist radical candidate that we'll have a win.
It's the opposite of that.
They are motivated on the left by that hatred of Trump, orange man, bad still to this day.
And we need to take it seriously.
So the first thing, get your lists, right?
All the politics is pretty simple.
If your list is bigger than theirs, you win.
I hope all the senators in Tennessee are listening.
Republicans don't often play well together.
The left does.
We need to all blast out every list we have in his district or family members around the state to help him out in that race.
And that can be a huge help.
When you have a team effort, even that goodwill spills over, even it just makes the Republicans, if we can ever learn to fight together, it'll be a great day.
And then everybody needs to take action, right?
You all have your personal lists.
When I won my first big race, I had nothing.
I had no machine.
I just sent out a half page and said, will you please forward this to all your lists?
And people did it.
The Tea Party groups, the Cub Scouts, the Boy Scouts, your Bowling League, whatever you're in, the Republican women groups.
Huge power, huge energy in all of those communities.
If everybody, all those groups do their part, he'll have a good win.
steve bannon
No, and this is going to come down to this because the left has studied our game.
And they've also, remember Obama, which is also about ground game.
The Working Family Party and the Democrat Socialists all understand it's about canvassing.
It's going door to door.
TV commercials don't hack it anymore.
If you really want to make contact, it's got to be a personal contact.
People have to know what they're talking about.
Now we're kind of all past that.
Now we're down to actually game day.
The Tennessee early vote, I think, ended on Wednesday.
I understand we're in okay shape, but they're turning out their votes too.
We really need a big turnout tomorrow, particularly the fact that now they're running candidates and they're getting outside money to come in and try to influence these races that are getting more and more radical.
In Nashville, you could have someone represent the Nashville in, or at least a big part of Nashville in Congress that hates country music and hates Nashville.
And she's on tape saying that.
It's unreal.
But they're going to run more radical candidates.
Their philosophy, and you see this in Newsom's, and they're having more radical policies, right?
You've seen in Newsom, I mean, the people around Newsom, I think, are saying, hey, we blew it because we should have gone 52-0.
They shouldn't have left any Republican districts in California.
That's how radical the Democrats are getting in this Trump derangement syndrome.
They bratt.
dave brat
Yeah, I'll just throw in one other thing.
A lot of our side, especially MAGA, the war room, very sophisticated in your understanding.
So it's easy to get cynical, right?
A lot of people are saying, you know, I see all this monetary stuff going on.
The elites, the globalists are still having undue power.
It's kabuki theater.
None of this matters, right?
Even the blue versus the red, some of it's orchestrated.
Well, there's one exception to that, and that is the election you're facing right now.
That is the one place where the people get to show up and do your job, right?
And so the problem is we got about a half of Republicans sitting at home on the couch during these elections.
A half of the church is sitting at home during the elections.
That's the problem, right?
We get complacent.
We get so ticked off at the corruption out there in the system.
This is the one opportunity, right?
It's always got to be a revolution from beneath.
The revolution, that's what made this country great.
If you go back to our founding or Lincoln, it was always a revolution from beneath, not by the elites.
And so I encourage you, do everything you can, get organized.
Don't get cynical, right?
We need to keep this going and we need to win all the elections as midterms.
All of the lists you put together today will not be in vain.
They will come in very handy in the years to come and keep them going and have your young kids help you with it.
They're great at this stuff.
steve bannon
By the way, you got this Friday also, if I can pull that, there's going to be Turning Point is now involved and engaged in this Indiana situation.
And in fact, Turning Point is going to be back on tomorrow to talk about this.
They're going to host a rally in Indianapolis, I think in the state capitol, at noon on Friday, I think it is.
We'll get it up.
This is about President Trump and redistricting.
If you look right now, a lot of the Republican establishment is sitting there and trying to thwart President Trump's plan.
There's no filibuster.
There's no real coming on our side of the filibuster in the Senate.
There's no recess appointments.
They're not going to go in recess.
In fact, a couple of his appointments, even at the committee level, I'm thinking of Bridge Colby's two deputies, I think were turned out.
We're basically taking off the voting schedule at committee last week where we control the committees.
So President Trump, the $2,000 rebate off of the tariffs, so many things he's working on policy-wise is being thwarted right now by the Republican establishment.
That's why we've got to make a stand on that.
Yes, sir.
Go ahead.
dave brat
Yeah, but you're missing one thing.
Carl Rove wrote a very important piece.
You must have missed that.
He said our side, MAGA, the grassroots, just make a lot of noise and do theater.
But for the serious legislation, you got to go with the rhinos over the weekend, right?
So according to Carl Rove, and so, hey, Carl, if you're listening in, I hope you get this clip.
Please show me the list of serious legislation coming out of the House and the Senate right now, right?
Please show me that, Carl.
And so I just had to throw that one in there because they're still using the same talking points to talk down Trump that were a bunch of show horses.
When I was in, I was in the freedom caucus.
We were the show horses.
Now, in retrospect, the war room was correct about every issue we've had for the past 10 years.
And more.
We have more to share, but people just can't believe some of it because it's so bad.
But we were right.
They were wrong.
And everybody knows where the force of history is moving our way.
steve bannon
Well, you see the globalists with Rove and these guys, every policy, and you see this right now in the Ukraine negotiations.
They're sitting there with Marco Rubio, and they're talking about guaranteeing Ukrainian sovereignty and giving security guarantees.
That's a European problem.
This is what you get when you get Karl Rove and these globalists, right?
You're going to get guarantees all over the world.
You're going to spread all over Hell's Half Acre instead of taking care of business.
I'm glad the president, they sent ICE in.
I think we got a clip.
They sent ICE in to New York City on Saturday.
It was not pretty.
It's not going to be pretty because from Mark Kelly to Newsome to all of them, they're in revolt against the elected president of the United States.
Short break, back in the warm in just a moment.
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Do I have David Zeer over at the Pentagon?
David Zeer joins us from the Pentagon.
So let me get this right, Zir.
Jack Vasobic, Steve Gruber, Brian Glenn, David Zeer, basically the four horsemen of the apocalypse of Real America's Voice, the best we got, right?
The four blocks of granite, just happened to randomly be at the Pentagon this morning?
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david zere
Well, we got noticed that since the mainstream media outlets wouldn't sign on to the Pentagon's new guidelines updating the physical control measures and access to the Pentagon that they were replacing them with up to 60 journalists and media here to cover the Pentagon going forward.
It's a great opportunity for RAF.
We'll all be credentialed here.
And there's a lot going on.
And over the next three days today, including there'll be a meet and greet this afternoon.
Tomorrow there'll be a Northern and Southern Command on classified off-the-record briefing and then a press briefing open to the press with Kinsley Wilson, the press secretary here tomorrow.
And then on Wednesday, we'll have a gaggle and some time with Pete Hegseth.
And after that, there'll be media row with 18 or so top Pentagon officials, including secretaries of the Navy and the Army, Coast Guard, I believe.
And so it'll be a busy day on Wednesday.
There'll be from 2 to 4 p.m., I believe, that gaggle will take place.
And, you know, there was a lot of media here that were on escorted throughout the Pentagon for a long time here.
And I think it's a way for the Department of War to get control for, and they were, you know, around unclassified and classified rooms in the Pentagon.
Now it'll be escorts.
I read the memo from September.
I didn't see anything in there that was so demanding or would abridge free speech in any way.
steve bannon
They want to protect.
They want to run roughshot.
Just like in the White House, I've always said, get them out of, they're right next to the Oval Office.
You've seen it.
There's like a nest of vipers right there below it.
It should be over Neo B.
It should be actually outside the West Wing, just like they're trying to get control.
What are you hearing?
There's conversation, there's talk that President Trump actually talked to Maduro over the week.
He gave him an ultimatum which said, hey, you either leave with your entourage or we're going to force you to leave.
I know a lot of MAGAs, like non-interventionists, they want President Trump to handle this without sending in the fleet Marines or doing bombing runs.
What are you hearing?
Now that you've signed the document, you're going to be a good boy.
What are you actually hearing over there?
david zere
Well, nothing yet as of today.
I'm just getting my feet wet over here.
And I know that Tim Kaine is reintroducing his resolution to not allow any force to be used without congressional approval down in Venezuela there.
But it was interesting, you know, Sean Parnell has been very outspoken as the Chief Pentagon spokesperson saying that these guys are running around here basically to paraphrase him even outside of these classified areas.
And moving forward, they want these escorts for them.
But these are pragmatic changes to operational security here, Steve, and to bring the Pentagon in line with other government buildings.
So it's a new era here for independent and some conservative media outlets here.
I saw groups like Town Hall on there, James O'Keefe, the Gateway Pundit, and others.
But we're gathered here in one of the briefing rooms.
So we're just getting situated here.
The next two days, I'll be bringing you more info.
steve bannon
Okay, David, thank you very much.
Where do people go for your content, sir?
Where do they go on Twitter?
david zere
I'm at Dave Zeer on Twitter and David Zir on everything else.
And thank you so much.
And we're very excited to be here this week.
It's going to be a great opportunity for Rav.
steve bannon
Yes, it's fantastic.
We have Poso setting up.
Steve Gruber's there.
I think actually our own Brian Glenn might have headed back toward the White House.
We'll grab him as soon as we can get him.
Dave Bratt, you got Venezuela.
You know, President Trump has given an ultimatum to Maduro.
A lot of people are saying, hey, can we give him ultimate?
Can we give the same ultimatum to the governor of Colorado to say, hey, you either cough up Tina Peters from prison or we're going to send the 82nd Airborne in to collect her?
I mean, people, look, it's this trade-off between international affairs, global affairs.
Understand he's trying to stop the Third World War, but I didn't like what I was hearing out of these negotiations, particularly Marco Rubio.
Marco Rubio came out and said on video, said, hey, our number one thing to the Ukrainian people is to make sure that never again do you have wars.
Yo, bro, note to Marco Rubio.
They've been fighting wars over there for 5,000 years, and it ain't going to stop.
But we can't, this is my problem.
We can't give these over-the-top discussions and then say we're going to give a guarantee.
We cannot guarantee the sovereignty of Ukraine.
We cannot give a security guarantee for Ukraine.
Those people have been fighting for 5,000 years.
And particularly when Yermak, who ran the government, is now running and trying to find it, getting an exit.
He's either going to go to the front and try to slip out that way or go into exile.
The number one guy that ran the government that you and Pozo and Raheem Kassam and everybody have been hammering on for years how corrupt they finally at least kicked down the doors of his house to say, we know you stole at least $100 million.
The guy stole tens of billions.
That is the government.
That's the type of people you're going to be guaranteeing.
I just think President Trump has got a domestic agenda and an international.
Obviously, the international and domestic are inextricably linked.
There's no question about that.
And he was handed a mess and he's trying to stop it and pivot to hemispheric defense.
But there are limits about what you can do.
Biden and the globalists have screwed this thing so much.
Let their globalist partners in Europe figure it out.
Those guys started it.
President Trump had nothing to do with it.
President Trump, they would never happen on his watch.
It didn't happen on his watch.
As soon as he was gone, they started rolling.
He's left with this mess.
But to get ourselves even more entangled with the worst people on earth, which are the political class of Ukraine, which is just as corrupt as the wait-forward political class of NATO, to get involved in that.
And for Marco to come out and saying, our priority is to make sure you're never at war again.
Dude, grab a history book and just read a couple of pages, man.
They've been fighting for 5,000 years.
It ain't called the Bloodlands for nothing, right?
So, Brad, what are you, the president's got such a big domestic agenda, and Karl Rov doesn't need to tell the presidents about growth.
The president knows that.
That's why he set up the big beautiful bill as a supply-side tax cut.
Look, we didn't love all the bill, right?
But the supply-side part of it, bringing manufacturing jobs back, because you got one chance.
On Trump's watch, we got one chance to return ourselves to being a manufacturing superpower.
Dave Brett.
dave brat
Yeah, I think the last point you made is the most important.
This is the last chance to turn it back.
There's so many things at work here, right?
The Democrats in all their elections speak about democracy and the value of democracy, and Trump's not in favor of democracy.
How in the world does Zelensky have leverage of this type when he's not an elected leader right now?
There's no democracy in Ukraine.
And then we got over $300 billion going there.
And MGT and everybody's been asking for an audit.
We can't get an audit of our own money, $300 billion spent of American funding for Ukraine and the war, and we don't know where the money went.
And now there's a corruption scandal to the extent that the number two guy has to step down, and he's probably the number one guy running the country in Ukraine.
And then there's several other things going on at the same time, right?
You got the globalists, and our side always knows about the Kabuki theater.
I was talking about earlier.
When things make no sense, that means there's billionaires way up there that are making deals.
And then even our own team is going to have some complicating factors, right?
The rare earths over there, the minerals, the oil, the agricultural productivity.
You know, that's probably part of the negotiating.
But how in the world Zelensky still has any voice as the democratically elected, right?
When we say we've fought the whole war for them, right?
I mean, it's without the U.S., there'd be nothing.
And so why don't we, why we don't get to make the final play call here on Zielinski?
And, you know, right now we're negotiating over, you know, Zelensky should offer up some territory to the Russians as a goodwill gesture.
And we're not sure if his pride or ego will allow for that.
Are you kidding me?
The United States is asking questions to Zelensky.
That part makes absolute no sense unless other factors are involved.
The economic piece, we're probably trying to make a long-run deal with Putin that makes sense.
But the security guarantees, that's what the whole war was about.
And our globalist leaders, the head of our institutions, the thing they're forgetting about is part of this war is initiated upon the U.S. request.
We're the ones that were in on the coup in 2014 that removed Ukrainians' leader.
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We're the ones that have moved the border eastward, even in 17 other countries.
steve bannon
This is why Flynn came on Saturday.
The same color, Victoria Newland, and the same color revolution crowd in our government that drove this thing in 2014 when basically when I was at Breitbart and Raheem Kassan broadcast live from there on Breitbart radio every day when he saw the importance of it.
Quite frankly, I kind of missed it at the time, right?
The color revolution being driven by these globalists inside the American government are the exact same people today, Brennan being the head of it, that are running the color revolution around President Trump.
And this is why for President Trump's safety and security, we shouldn't be carrying their water.
Marco Rubio, no, we are not going to guarantee what you said is absolutely fundamentally wrong.
We are not guaranteeing there are not going to be any wars forever for the Ukrainian people.
Full stop.
Even so, maybe it was a slip of the tongue.
How does it even come out of your brain?
It's not possible, and we can't be involved in it.
That's too big a commitment for the United States.
When President Trump sent ICE into New York, they had a riot on Saturday.
Finally, we sent ICE in, and you saw the response.
They're going to riot.
They're going to try to shut it down.
We have 15 to 20 million illegal alien invaders in our country.
Therefore, we do not have our own sovereignty.
That is going to be one of the nastiest pushes ever to take care of that.
And you see this happening.
That's a priority.
Guarantee the sovereignty of the people of the United States, Marco.
Don't worry about Ukraine.
And if that's what it takes to get a deal done, then guess what?
There ain't going to be a deal done.
And the Russians, there you are right there.
Thank you very much, Denver.
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Look at that.
steve bannon
It's a freaking riot.
That's in the greatest city in the world, New York City.
This is what's happening.
We don't have the ability to guarantee everybody's sovereignty.
Let's start with folks in the United States of America, our beloved country, and American citizens.
If this is the price that goes to Ukrainian peace, hello, they're not going to have peace.
They haven't had peace in 5,000 years.
And as soon as they understand that the Russians are going to take Odessa eventually with another 500,000 Ukrainian casualties, maybe their European masters out of Brussels and London and Paris will start to get the word.
But it's not the American people's fault.
Brett, hang on for a second.
I think we had a very special announcement.
Something we're going to do.
We're going to try to do Saturday.
We had a call Audible.
That's where we had a live show with General Flynn.
I want to thank General Flynn for coming in.
It was just absolutely spectacular.
And Pozo and the Pozo brothers for being there.
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steve bannon
Okay, for Saturday, we had scheduled and we shifted up because so much was going on and the Warren Posse wanted to get an update.
So we had a live show.
We had an interview with Sam Tannenhaus, the legendary Sam Tannenhaus, about the revolution that Bill Buckley started and led, the conservative revolution in this country.
In the next hour, we're going to start that interview.
You're not going to want to miss this.
This is one of the great writers in the country about a great man, Bill Buckley, understanding that the populist nationalist movement has a lot of issues with things like National Review.
But Bill Buckley was a great man and did many great things, including initiating a revolution with Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan.
And I think you'll find Tannenhaus, who, by the way, also wrote a magnificent biography of Whitaker Chambers, one of the great, great individuals about lived Christianity in the 20th century.
Dave Bratt, your thoughts about all that, sir?
dave brat
Yo, I just want to go back to Ukraine.
The best way to give Ukraine security guarantees is to have a detente with Russia.
And, you know, this isn't the Cub Scouts talking.
We're the same crew of realpolitik that's been referring to Mearsheimer and power on power, real politics, referenced by Kennedy and the rise and fall of great powers and all this.
So this is not some glib statement, but to have a detente with Russia, a relaxing over the long run, then maybe friendships, then maybe two Christian countries that are on the same side with Ukraine.
And then the deep state goes bye-bye.
And then we can finally shift some resources toward China.
Who does not know what human rights are?
steve bannon
I got to tell you, a détente with the Russians to unite the Christian nations against the murderous plague of atheistic Marxism.
And that's what the Chinese Communist Party is.
Their biggest victims are Lao Beijing.
I think there's 100 million Christians, some traditional Catholics, most evangelical Christians that are in China today that are the prosecuted church or the prosecuted church in the worst way.
As we know, the church always thrives under times of persecution, like it did at the beginning, foundation of our religion, and then through the ages.
So I agree with you, Dave.
I think it's time.
And I think it's time we've got to stop.
We can't give security guarantees to everybody.
We can't give all these security guarantees in the Gulf.
We can't give all these security guarantees for Israel and sovereignty guarantees.
We got to get the sovereignty of the United States right.
And this is why I'm fully supported Laura Loomer and the folks that are fighting with saying, hey, Israel should just declare its own sovereignty, not take our cash and go do their own thing, which I 100% support.
But I think in this Ukraine situation, the kind of hiding the football on what the reconstruction is going to be and who's going to pay the money because the United States does not have it.
We do not have it.
That money's going to be here in the United States of America.
And you saw on Saturday, you saw this situation with sending ICE into New York City, which I think is a shot across Mondani's bow to say, hey, look, you're an Ugandan Marxist jihadist who is, quite frankly, not quite a naturalized citizen since you lied on your forms.
Send a shot across his bow.
We're not going to allow you to be a sanctuary city.
You can't have New York City as a sanctuary city.
It's the greatest city in the world.
The greatest city in the United States has been really since our founding, since the founding of the Republic has always been even more than Philadelphia and Boston, the central financial and commercial capital of the United States.
You can't allow it to be taken over by illegal aliens.
And you saw what happened on Saturday when they sent ICE in for a just kind of a mini-raid.
It was an outright riot.
They were trying to hurt the ICE officials.
They were trying to block all the folks they were rolling up.
And, you know, and they say there's 8 million people in New York City.
There's millions of illegal alien invaders up there, and they all got to go home.
Closing thoughts, Dave Bratt.
dave brat
Yeah, just a minute on what you just said right there is very powerful about the persecution of Christianity.
Everyone, you know, Aleister McIntyre wrote a great book, Brief History of Ethics.
It's not an ethics book, but he talks about the transition from Rome, the brutality of Rome and the Caesars and the crucifixions, et cetera.
And in comes a man named Jesus Christ who preaches love and offers hope to the poor.
That is shocking, and that is history making when you see that was the gestalt change, right?
From Caesar to the message of Jesus.
And that's happening in China right now.
The brutality.
And in comes a man named Jesus preaching love of God, love of neighbor, some hope on this earth.
And in this country, if you don't think there's Christian persecution going on, you're not paying attention when you can't bring a Bible to school or mention Christianity in public and polite conversation with a wine and cheese crowd.
And when the CEOs can't talk about their faith and Christianity in public, that's a problem.
steve bannon
Dave Bratt, where do people go on social media to get you?
This is going to be an intense week.
There's things happening all over the globe, and particularly things happening in the United States and things happening on Capitol Hill with artificial intelligence.
It's going to be a big artificial intelligence gathering this afternoon.
I'm going to be at six with Joe Allen.
We're going to cover all of it because artificial intelligence is going to have a huge week this week.
Make sure also, Matt Van Epps running in Tennessee 7, needs your support.
We got to go all in on this thing.
We need to hold that seat.
Dave Bratt, your social media brother.
dave brat
Yeah, Brad Economics on Getter.
But more importantly, go help the candidate and help the war room by spreading the war room and the platforms.
It's on to all your friends and neighbors as well.
Steve doesn't like doing the salesman thing, so I'm doing it for him.
Spread the war.
steve bannon
I like that, Brad.
Brad, I like that.
There you go.
unidentified
You're good.
steve bannon
You're very good.
Dave Bratt, love you, brother.
It's going to be riding shotgun as much as we can this week.
Thank you so much.
Down there at Liberty.
Great, great institution.
So very special.
Sam Tannenhaus, hang on.
You're going to learn everything about the revolution, the conservative revolution of this country, including Nixon, Gold War, Reagan, all of it.
Take a short commercial break.
We're going to return.
Also, this afternoon, Natalie Winters, a blockbuster.
Natalie Winters has a blockbuster related to the Chinese Communist Party.
Let's say that way.
And Natalie Winters will be back at 5 o'clock.
At 6, we're going to do artificial intelligence.
There's an event that's going to happen at the Capitol today.
Joe Allen is going to be there.
Joe Allen's going to join us.
We're absolutely packed throughout the day.
Make sure tomorrow at 11 o'clock, there's going to be a cabinet meeting.
President Trump is convening his cabinet.
I'm sure he's going to have a couple of three things to say and maybe even update on what's going on in Venezuela.
As everybody, as a carrier battle group, strike force, amphibious ready group, I think 14,000, 12,000 to 14,000 fleet marines and sailors on tenter hooks.
Stick around.
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We're going to leave you with the right stuff.
That's what Bill Buckley had.
It's certainly what Sam Tannenhaus has, one of the great writers in America today.
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