Nov. 21, 2025 - Bannon's War Room
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| President Trump, of course, accusing that group of Democratic lawmakers of seditious behavior that he says could be, quote, punishable by death. | ||
| It's an all-caps claim from the President of the United States. | ||
| And it comes after the lawmakers, all of whom served in the military or intelligence communities, served this country. | ||
| His messages were very clear. | ||
| He views anybody who challenges him, who seems to tell people not to listen to him, to listen to illegal orders of being traitors. | ||
| Basically, he has now, it's not the first time he said that people who stand up to him or who disagree with him are committing treason. | ||
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He says that with some regularity. | |
| And he blends the idea of loyalty to him to being loyalty to the state. | ||
| It's literally a case where he is saying that these people who are saying don't do anything illegal, that that amounts to sedition. | ||
| Saying don't do something illegal amounts to sedition. | ||
| Now, you'll hear the White House Presser say, well, that's not what he meant. | ||
| You all getting worked up about things. | ||
| You're over-interpreting. | ||
| You're distorting. | ||
| And as Senator Jones says, let's assume that that's true. | ||
| But there's a discordant message. | ||
| And he wants the first message to be out there. | ||
| He wants them to think that they are at risk. | ||
| He wants to intimidate people by making them think that they would suffer consequences if they say things that he doesn't like. | ||
| These people are lying through their teeth. | ||
| These people are lying through their teeth. | ||
| He didn't say it was just half. | ||
| It was like Joe Biden when he said these people are lying through their teeth. | ||
| Mike Johnson knows that this is all about what military men and women need to do to uphold their sacred oath, and that is not commit illegal actions. | ||
| And they know that, and yet they keep lying through their teeth. | ||
| Rhetoric allows the president to use his platform and his bully pulpit to say things like this about members of Congress. | ||
| I also think it's worth remembering what happened on January 6th when the same kind of rhetoric that the president used then when talking about overturning the results of a lawful election led to some of his supporters to build a gallows on the grounds of the cap of Capitol Hill aimed for or with the intention of sending a message to Vice President Mike Pence. | ||
| So words have actions. | ||
| The president knows that words have actions. | ||
| One of those actions is quite rightly what you're saying is the distraction that comes from throwing things out like this. | ||
| But it's more than just words. | ||
| It's very dangerous words that his people may act upon. | ||
| Let's be candid. | ||
| We're all leading with everything that Donald Trump said. | ||
| And I go back to what I've just said when his press secretary was asked specifically, did he mean to execute people? | ||
| She said no. | ||
| And quite frankly, I wish the media would just stop right there and just leave it at that and not give any error to anything else. | ||
| He didn't mean that. | ||
| Of course he is saying that and people are hearing things. | ||
| And look, there are folks out there that hear things differently than what a normal ear will hear. | ||
| And that is the frightening thing about this. | ||
| We have seen it time and time again, and it is still on the rise. | ||
| And the offender in chief in this is Donald Trump. | ||
| And he knows it. | ||
| He knows exactly what he's doing. | ||
| It's very difficult for the media and for folks like us to not talk about it. | ||
| But at the same time, I think that we need to also be very careful in how we present this and make sure that we understand that even his own office is saying that that is not what he meant. | ||
| Let the chips fall where they're going to fall everywhere else. | ||
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But let's get away from any talk about violence. | |
| Crackdown in Charlotte, North Carolina is not over, despite earlier reports that the operation had concluded. | ||
| Initially, the Mecklenburg County Sheriff's Office said yesterday that Border Patrol had ended its immigration enforcement operation in the city nearly a week after the agency first deployed agents to the state's most populated city. | ||
| But just hours later, several local media outlets reported DHS officials had informed them the operation was still active. | ||
| Look at that picture. | ||
| And would not be ending anytime soon. | ||
| If you're in Carolina, if you're in North Carolina, a swing state, and you see that, like by like wearing your kids, you're picking your kids up for school. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Or if you see that downtown, or if you see that by a mall, or you see it by a piggly wiggly. | ||
| I mean, what are you thinking? | ||
| You're not thinking, oh, these are the good old days. | ||
| I mean, you're thinking, like, man, come on. | ||
| It looks like an occupying army. | ||
| Yeah, why are you occupying Billy Graham's hometown? | ||
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That's what they're doing. | |
| Mom taken away by these people. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
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That's just really not a good look. | |
| It doesn't feel American. | ||
| Well, it's just not, it doesn't. | ||
| And it's not a good look for, it's just not a good look for people in Charlotte. | ||
| It's not a good look for this administration. | ||
| I mean, listen, there are ways to do this. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| There are ways. | ||
| This is not the way to do it. | ||
| So as of yesterday, Homeland Security said more than 370 people had been arrested in the Charlotte area since the operation launched last week. | ||
| This is the primal scream of a dying regime. | ||
| Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. | ||
| Here's not got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. | ||
| The people have had a belly full of it. | ||
| I know you don't like hearing that. | ||
| I know you're trying to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. | ||
| It's going to happen. | ||
| And where do people like that go to share the big lie? | ||
| MAGA Media. | ||
| I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience. | ||
| Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? | ||
| If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. | ||
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Waru, here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | |
| It's Friday, 21 November year of our Lord 2025. | ||
| We are absolutely packed today and nothing but work for you guys. | ||
| So we're going to be manning the ramparts on many, many, many different topics. | ||
| From Tina Peters is in the hole in the shoe, the special housing unit out in Colorado. | ||
| We got redistricting. | ||
| We have this situation with President Trump where they're trying to countermand his orders already. | ||
| This is getting as nasty, as nasty, as nasty as possible. | ||
| And yes morning, Joe, 30,000 students have not attended the public school system in Charlotte because they're staying out because they're illegal aliens. | ||
| And I'm sorry, the president has a mandate to do mass deportations and then go to the work sites and start rousing up the CEOs and CFOs that are paying. | ||
| See these construction sites. | ||
| It has to happen. | ||
| American citizens want jobs and American students have to get a great education. | ||
| You can't do this. | ||
| You can't come here illegally. | ||
| We're sorry that it offends your sensibilities. | ||
| So there's so much going on with the deep state, with everything. | ||
| And this, I'm telling you, these former CIA officials and military officers looking into a camera and basically trying to institute seditious treason, right, is a problem. | ||
| It's got to be dealt with. | ||
| John Solomon, yesterday you had at National Cathedral, you had the deep state come together for Cheney's for Cheney's funeral. | ||
| And you've got this thing right now. | ||
| They're pressing President Trump. | ||
| And President Trump went back and said, hey, we're not going to let you interfere with orders he gives as commander-in-chief. | ||
| Last night, a federal judge ordered the National Guard out of, I think, out of Washington, D.C. in three weeks. | ||
| Somebody could take that as an illegal order to do it. | ||
| The Supreme Court, we've won 21 of 23 cases at the Supreme Court. | ||
| What they're doing is jeopardizing the national security and they're jeopardizing the safety and security of the American people, John Solomon. | ||
| Well, listen, I was sitting at an airport a couple of weeks ago coming back in the morning, morning, Joe was on, and there was a guy sitting next to me in the breakfast restaurant watching it. | ||
| And he looked over to me and said, people who watch that show must be sentenced to a life of stupidity, meaning that they just want their stupid ideas reaffirmed. | ||
| And I smiled and said, well, I get where you're coming from. | ||
| You know, what they said in that little three, four-minute diddy is all stupid. | ||
| It's not what the American people told the president they wanted. | ||
| They did want those guys in Camo. | ||
| And the only reason those guys and gals in Camo are there is because a president unlocked our border and allowed murderers and rapists and sex traffickers and drug cartels to pour across the border in the millions. | ||
| And Donald Trump was forced to do it. | ||
| Donald Trump wouldn't be deploying the National Guard if that situation hadn't been allowed to happen. | ||
| The American people have figured this out. | ||
| The greatest sin that the Democrats have is that they think the American people are stupid. | ||
| They think the men and women in uniform are stupid. | ||
| So they say something like, oh, you must disobey an illegal order. | ||
| Those guys aren't going to disobey a presidential order. | ||
| Those men and women believe in the command structure. | ||
| They believe in the greatness of this country. | ||
| They don't believe in DEI. | ||
| They don't believe in CRT and communism and Madami. | ||
| They believe in the greatness of America. | ||
| They're going to follow the orders because the orders are lawful and they believe in this country. | ||
| It's those who go on and spread this propaganda that are trying to destroy it. | ||
| And it's those men and women who were treated stupidly by that group of congressmen that are today going to do the right thing and tomorrow going to do the right thing because they're not influenced by the stupidity of Democratic politics. | ||
| You've been doing some great reporting. | ||
| We'll get to this in a second. | ||
| But you see the brazenness right now of the apparatus of the deep state of the opposition of Trump. | ||
| And I'm telling folks, this is going to get so much worse. | ||
| They're coming now. | ||
| They're coming in for the kill, right? | ||
| They think they've got a little momentum coming off the election. | ||
| They got a little momentum on the economy. | ||
| They've got people in Indiana standing up to them, other people, right, about the redistricting is all this. | ||
| But the most aggressive of these, and a lot of those were in that video, but you're going to see now it's going to be open season on President Trump from every direction. | ||
| I want to tell this posse, you better get ready because, man, they're going to roll and they're going to roll hard, John Solomon. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Listen, they've had some ebb and flows, but they've been in open season since the guy came down the golden elevator in 2015. | ||
| And they've done everything outside the Constitution and inside the Constitution to try to stop them. | ||
| You have a judge yesterday that tried to port, or two days ago, that tried to portray the indictment of James Comey as an unlawful indictment that the grand jury got suckered into indicting the guy. | ||
| And then you go look at the transcript. | ||
| The grand jury knew exactly what it was doing. | ||
| When a judge does that, he dishonors everyone who wears the black robe. | ||
| When members of Congress implicitly try to suggest, hey, you guys are too stupid to know a lawful and dislawful order. | ||
| So we've got to help you defy the president of the United States. | ||
| They think those soldiers are stupid. | ||
| They're just in an era of all-out war because they see something going on. | ||
| The country is more red by day. | ||
| There's going to be a ruling in early spring next year that's going to end the racial gerrymandering, which has propped up the Democratic Party with fake congressional districts. | ||
| And they've got to find some other tactic to win. | ||
| Now, what has to be done on the other side for Republicans is they've got to wise up. | ||
| They're going to stop talking about things that don't matter to the American people, or they're going to get their dairy ears kicked in 2026. | ||
| They got to go out and do the hourly voting machinery they did in 24 and forgot about in 25. | ||
| It's about the kitchen table. | ||
| It's about the dinner table. | ||
| It's about the water cooler. | ||
| Don't focus on international, silly, stupid warfare among people who no one's ever heard of. | ||
| 2% of Americans know who Nick Fuentes is, and yet millions and millions of comments have been wasted on social media. | ||
| How about talking about the fact that eggs and electricity and gas and prescriptions are down? | ||
| How about talking about the greatest corporate welfare program that Democrats created and then closed the government on so that their big fat cat donors could get their next tranche of fake subsidies to keep their profits up? | ||
| Those are the things that are going to win the next election, along with early voting. | ||
| I want to say this again. | ||
| Until the Republicans have the courage, and they don't have it, until they have the courage to restore Election Day instead of Election Trimester, we're going to have to, Republicans are going to have to play the same game. | ||
| Otherwise, it's like going out in a football game without your wide receiver and your running back and then wondering why you lost at the end of the game. | ||
| So the great early voting operation that President Trump did in 24 was non-existent in 25. | ||
| They should be ashamed of themselves. | ||
| You win elections by getting people to the polls and talking about the issues that people want addressed. | ||
| And there's a lot that Republicans have done. | ||
| They haven't sold a single penny of it. | ||
| John, get me, I want to hold you through the break. | ||
| I know you're busy, but I got to hold you to the break. | ||
| Just give me a minute teeing up on this newest story you've got because I'm saying about the deep state and the administrative state. | ||
| they're getting more brazen because they're not being held account. | ||
| You've got maybe just tease it and we'll hold it. | ||
| The, the, the, Tell me about the pipe bomb because the pipe bomb has been getting millions of hits over the last couple of weeks. | ||
| What's reality? | ||
| Four years later, we just found out there was a third stop on the pipe bomber's trip when they were planting the bombs, and it was the Congressional Back Caucus Institute. | ||
| The person kneeled down there for a period of time. | ||
| You think our government might have told us that before the last four years? | ||
| It's a new data point. | ||
| It's a new piece of video footage. | ||
| It suggests maybe they have some familiarity with that era. | ||
| That was never given to us. | ||
| We could talk about that on the other side of the break. | ||
| John Solomon's with us. | ||
| Short commercial break. | ||
| Jim Hoft is also going to join us. | ||
| Amazing reporting over at the Gateway Pundit. | ||
| We're going to get into that about the treasonous and the treason and seditious conspiracy. | ||
| There's a grand jury down there about the first 10 years that John Solomon has laid out, but they're at it again. | ||
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| John Solomon's with us. | ||
| John, I think the first thing that pops, walk us through the story, but the first thing the Warren posse's head's blown up is how are we finding out a third stop? | ||
| What, how many years later is it? | ||
| Six, seven years later. | ||
| How do we find out? | ||
| Why do we find out now it's a third stop, sir? | ||
| Well, because a member of Congress did the gumshoe work and he took the map. | ||
| The FBI had the map showing that person going by the Congressional Backcaucus and he went and looked at the video, like, wait a second, they stopped here. | ||
| They kneeled down. | ||
| Could they have planted a bomb? | ||
| Did they know the place? | ||
| Was that a place familiar with them? | ||
| So they felt like a moment of safety. | ||
| Congressman Barry Lautemuk, the chairman of the January 6th Committee, who doesn't get even a lot of support from his own caucus, went and found that. | ||
| And the FBI is grateful. | ||
| But the FBI said last night, thank you, Chairman Laudermuck. | ||
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We're going to work on it. | |
| Now, here's what I think. | ||
| My reporting indicates the FBI is very close to getting to breaking the January 6th case. | ||
| They are surrounding a group of people, and they're getting closer to solving that case. | ||
| I would not be surprised by Christmas if we have some clarity about what happened there. | ||
| So keep an eye on that. | ||
| I think the other thing that's going on, and there's a lot to be frustrated, Mark Mitchell's tirade the other day is all right when it comes to the data. | ||
| And Scott Rasmis has been warning about the same thing. | ||
| The Republicans are off-message and misaligned with the people who are rooting for them to succeed. | ||
| But lots of good things are going to come around the corner to take that deep, dark place that the Democrats are tugging us to right now. | ||
| You're going to probably have a solution of the January 6th case. | ||
| It's going to blow people's minds. | ||
| You're going to soon see that the Justice Department will confirm in public that they have authorized a grand conspiracy case, looking at everything from the IRS in 2014 down to Jack Smith and the destruction of the documents that was going on the five days before President Trump took office as one ongoing criminal conspiracy. | ||
| It's going to treat the Democratic deep state as a RICO operation. | ||
| That is a big moment, most likely to be done in Florida. | ||
| I think they're ready to announce that soon. | ||
| Those are big moments. | ||
| And once people start getting convicted, once they get charged with crimes that everybody can understand, I think the country is going to turn and say, wait, these guys are cheating. | ||
| And then in March, I think that the Louisiana case will radically change the map for years to come. | ||
| Now, the Democrats are going to be desperate to win next year's election so they can stack the Supreme Court and reverse it. | ||
| But if they lose next year, because redistricting happens, accountability began, their deep, dark secrets that they lied to us are exposed. | ||
| And the Republicans show that the approach that President Trump took actually fundamentally made our economy better. | ||
| Right now, Donald Trump is in a weird dynamic. | ||
| The economy is getting better, but people don't feel it. | ||
| It's just like George H.W. Bush in 92 saying the economy is better. | ||
| Nobody felt it yet, so he lost to Bill Clinton. | ||
| I think that economy is going to start to get better in the spring of next year, and people are going to be in a little bit better mood. | ||
| And things are going to turn. | ||
| But a lot has to happen, and people have to stay on message and stay on course. | ||
| They were given a mandate. | ||
| They passed a few things that were part of the mandate. | ||
| Trump stopped the board. | ||
| Great. | ||
| But a lot of the other items in the mandate aren't real to people yet. | ||
| They haven't cutten down to the kitchen table, the water cooler, and Donald Trump has to get people there. | ||
| I think he needs an Oval Office address. | ||
| I think he should go out to the American people next week and say, here's my 10-month update. | ||
| Made some things better. | ||
| I got a lot of better things to do. | ||
| He's got to speak to young people and Hispanics who are bleeding from him right now. | ||
| They will come back in a second. | ||
| If the president just tells him how he's going to make their lives better, I think he's got to do that before Thanksgiving. | ||
| And I think this country will be in a better mood going into the holidays. | ||
| And by early next year, there'll be enough historical events to reassure people that what they voted for is what they got. | ||
| By the way, Secretary Besson and Navarro's in the studio yesterday, we had a guest on it the other day. | ||
| They 100% agree with you about this pivot. | ||
| Two things, Laudermilk. | ||
| I know he's not getting a lot of support up there, the official apparatus. | ||
| What can Rav, what can John Solomon, Justin News, what can War Room, what can we do to have Otter Mix back? | ||
| Because when you say he's about to solve it, not just a pipe bomb, he's doing a much different job on J6, correct? | ||
| I think it's going to be the FBI that's eyes by him. | ||
| I think they may be close to solving the gallows. | ||
| And I think they may have some other information about unusual behavior in the law enforcement community that's going to look like Russia, Russia, Russia, the January 6th version. | ||
| I'd keep an eye on the January 6th committee, but I'd keep an eye on the FBI. | ||
| I think Bongino and Patel and Bondi are getting closer to putting this thing together and helping people understand what happened that day. | ||
| What we saw with our eyes wasn't actually everything that happened. | ||
| Now, some people acted badly, there's no doubt about it. | ||
| But there were many other things that went on. | ||
| Getting to the bottom of that and giving people a reminder that there was a fresh illusion, something was made to look like what it was can boomerang on the Democrats, just like Epstein's going to boomerang on the Democrats. | ||
| It is beginning to boomerang. | ||
| I want to point one last thing because I do think that Chief Justice John Roberts owes the American people an ounce of discipline for the men and women in the black robes beneath his court. | ||
| He's the chief disciplinarian of the judiciary branch. | ||
| And right now, we are in a bad version of judges gone wild. | ||
| It is worse than spring break on the bench all around this country. | ||
| You have judges making proclamations not based on the law. | ||
| You have a judge, Judge Boesberg, that actually authorized the executive branch to spy on members of Congress by getting their phone data. | ||
| Not that they weren't listening to the conversations. | ||
| They weren't wiretapping the conversations, but they were knowing who they were talking, where they were taking while they were doing their job in Congress. | ||
| It is a clear violation of the separations of power. | ||
| It's a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment. | ||
| And his rationale was: if you tell Congress, which is what the law required, they might abscond with the evidence, which is preposterous. | ||
| The evidence wasn't in their hands. | ||
| It was in the phone companies. | ||
| They couldn't abscond with it. | ||
| A judge like that has to be called out by the Chief Justice. | ||
| And if the Chief Justice doesn't have the courage to do that, if the Chief Justice doesn't have the courage to bring the men and women back to, hey, it's the law, not the politics. | ||
| It's not the person. | ||
| It's the evidence. | ||
| If he doesn't do that, he will be the Chief Justice who presided over the greatest degradation of our great judicial system in history. | ||
| John Roberts has got to step up to the plate like other people and start to bring in and rein in this wayward judiciary. | ||
| It is wayward. | ||
| John, yes, separation of powers, but the separation of powers, the flip side is checks and balances. | ||
| We found out, I think, last night, Jim Jordan, they tapped Jim Jordan's former and got his metadata. | ||
| Got it for two years. | ||
| You phoned out it for two years. | ||
| Now they've gone to this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| They've gone to the check. | ||
| Shouldn't we, you know, waiting for Roberts is one thing. | ||
| And the Supreme Court, I think, is doing a very good job at looking over and reinforcing President Trump's interpretation of the Article II powers. | ||
| We're going to talk about that in a second with Hoft. | ||
| But aren't we at the point where so many of these things go back to Bosberg? | ||
| Shouldn't the judiciary initiate the process of impeaching Bosberg? | ||
| At least they will. | ||
| And that'll be a good exercise for education. | ||
| It'll get to the Senate where nothing ever gets done. | ||
| There's not 66 votes, so Bozberg will not be removed. | ||
| And that's why, well, you'll have the theater and the education thing. | ||
| The only discipline that's going to be meted out against a Judge Bozberg or others who defy the Supreme Court or the standards of conduct in judiciary is for the chief disciplinarian of the court. | ||
| 30 years ago, as a young reporter, I found a judge in Milwaukee who was ruling in cases where he owned stock, Judge Kern. | ||
| Within two days of me writing that story, Chief Justice Rehnquist stepped up and said, this is not what judges do. | ||
| And he created a significant reprimand that sent a shockwave through the judiciary. | ||
| John Roberts has been, well, the court has made great rulings on policy, which is what they're supposed to do. | ||
| That's their day job. | ||
| There is a need for the Chief Justice to remind every judge that it is time. | ||
| We have judges that are leaking anonymously in news stories. | ||
| We haven't even solved the leak of a major Supreme Court case, which is one of the greatest institutional wrecks of the Supreme Court in the history of this. | ||
| It's time for Chief Justice Roberts to send a message. | ||
| They're not under attack by MAGA. | ||
| They're under attack by their own failures. | ||
| And it's time for him to say, stop feeling like victims and get back to the law. | ||
| I think his silence is such a sharp difference from what Chief Justice Rehnquist showed 30 years ago. | ||
| John Roberts should go study that case. | ||
| By the way, I wrote the story. | ||
| Have to go study the case. | ||
| He did the right thing. | ||
| And it sent a shockwave through judges. | ||
| No more ruling in cases you have money. | ||
| And he could do the same thing here. | ||
| And I think a lot of judges would snap too. | ||
| John Solomon, just to make sure I heard this correctly, because coming from you, it's kind of a bombshell. | ||
| You actually were talking about an impeachment going to the Senate for trial, right? | ||
| Of which we know he's not going to be removed from office. | ||
| Are you saying your belief is, as you see it right now, that Jordan and judiciary are going to have a judiciary hearing on Bosberg for his potential impeachment? | ||
| Vote that out, send that to the floor. | ||
| Your belief is Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House and Scalise as majority leader, will move that forward to actually have a vote to send Bozberg to try to actually impeach him and send Bozberg to trial in the Senate, sir? | ||
| There are a lot of momentum in that direction. | ||
| I'm not sure the full caucus is there yet. | ||
| You've got those midterm, you know, those squishy guys in the middle that may not be there yet. | ||
| If you're Jim Jordan, you are hopping mad today that you were spied on and that a judge actually suggested you as a judiciary committee member might actually be a felonious guy who would obstruct justice. | ||
| If the chairman is spied on, I think there's a lot of momentum. | ||
| But here's the thing: here's great messaging problems. | ||
| Again, what have we talked about with all these? | ||
| It's the House and the Senate fighting over whether there should be a $500,000 penalty for these sort of offenses. | ||
| Don't talk about that. | ||
| Talk about the extraordinary breach of trust that those rulings and those subpoenas created. | ||
| The Republican Party has the ultimate story to tell the American people, and they can't even utter the first chapter. | ||
| They're always fighting about things that don't matter, and they're missing the side of the barn with a giant plane that God gave them. | ||
| All these facts are incredible. | ||
| They could run over the barn with a plane, but instead, they talk about little tiny things and they have little petty fights. | ||
| They are not the generation of leaders that Americans need right now. | ||
| They better step into the shoes of their forefathers because they do very little that makes the American people happy. | ||
| John Solomon, where do people get all your content? | ||
| What are your coordinates? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Just thenews.com and Jay Solomon reports on all social media. | ||
| John, thank you very much. | ||
| Appreciate you coming on. | ||
| Good to be with you, brother. | ||
| Thanks. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Solomon saying he thinks Bozberg are actually going to move in judiciary and maybe even the House. | ||
| That's big. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| Chief Justice Roberts should move on this, but you need checks and balances. | ||
| A troll. | ||
| Okay, we're jam-packed. | ||
| We're also falling a little behind schedule. | ||
| That's okay. | ||
| Patriot Mobile, major, major, major news from Texas. | ||
| Abbott has designated the Muslim Brotherhood in CARE terrorist organizations and put pretty big restrictions on them. | ||
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| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bannon. | ||
| Okay, we're going to get to Jim Hoft in a little while, the Gateway Pundit. | ||
| We have a lot to go through there. | ||
| We've got the situation in Israel with Huckabee, the ambassador, and Pollard, the spy. | ||
| We've got more in this seditious conspiracy, really threatening President Trump as commander-in-chief. | ||
| Jim Hoff's got some great stories up at Gateway Pundit at Ukraine. | ||
| We're packed for the next until 12 o'clock and then back from 5 to 7 tonight and then tomorrow. | ||
| So every show is going to be jam-packed with action items. | ||
| As you know, I think I can report kind of informally, I don't believe they're going to be signing an executive order today on artificial intelligence, so the Warren Posse. | ||
| And I still want people over at Bill Blaster. | ||
| I want folks going to Article II. | ||
| We've got to continue to pound in there. | ||
| My understanding is also that any discussion on the NDAA or even competition floor will be at least the first week of December, right? | ||
| So we have the holidays, but we're not going to take, it's hammered down on this. | ||
| We're going to be relentless. | ||
| We have to be relentless. | ||
| I want to introduce a very special person to talk about a very special person. | ||
| Many times we talk about artificial intelligence. | ||
| I talk about the finance of it. | ||
| I talk about how it's going to be rolled out, the energy costs, the data centers, the danger of it. | ||
| You know, it was four years ago we hired Joe Allen specifically because I realized this transhumanism issue, the convergence into the singularity, was going to be the major issue of our time, right? | ||
| With everything else that you're fighting for and everything else we're doing to try to save this country, the central major issue will be this drive to transhumanism, the drive to the singularity led by artificial intelligence, also biotechnology, so many other things. | ||
| And to get this audience, which has really changed the course of American history, up to speed. | ||
| And Joe Allen has been fantastic. | ||
| Now, Joe Allen, everybody in the country, including many progressives and liberals, want to hear what Joe Allen has to say in his analysis of artificial intelligence, but other things. | ||
| In fact, this Sunday he'll be in Texas, and Joe will join me in a while to talk about it. | ||
| But oftentimes we don't have time to talk about, to personalize this, to talk about the stories like we've done on the border, like we've done on so many other things, to personalize and let people tell their stories. | ||
| Megan Garcia joins us today. | ||
| Megan, your son, Sewell, can you first tell us about your son? | ||
| Tell us about him as a young boy and tell him about as he was coming in to be a young man. | ||
| Can you just let the audience know who he was? | ||
| Good morning, and thank you for having me. | ||
| My son, Sewell, set sort of third. | ||
| He was my firstborn baby. | ||
| I used to always tell him, you know, you're my firstborn baby, and he would laugh about that. | ||
| As a young boy, he was very much into science and math. | ||
| So he wanted to build rockets. | ||
| He wanted to go to space. | ||
| I really thought he would grow up to be a great American innovator and, you know, wow us with his inventions. | ||
| And as he grew into middle school and then eventually into high school, he started becoming more into sports. | ||
| So he played for a school basketball team, but still very much into his academics. | ||
| Science and math were always his thing. | ||
| But overall, just a sweet, sweet child. | ||
| Everywhere that people would meet him, if I took him somewhere, they would say, oh my goodness, you know, like he's such a mannerly young man or mannerly boy. | ||
| And I was so proud because he really was just amazing and very much in love with his family, especially his two little brothers who are five and three. | ||
| And so overall, just a wonderful, beautiful soul. | ||
| So tell us, he had a very tragic, his story is a tragic story. | ||
| In fact, it's heart-rendering. | ||
| So you have a kid that's raised right. | ||
| He's polite, loves his two younger brothers, is focused on studies, engineering, science, wants to be an innovator, plays sports, kind of a guy's guy. | ||
| What happens? | ||
| How does this story, which sounds so promising, it sounds like the great part of the American dream, how does this end in tragedy, ma'am? | ||
| Just after Seoul's 14th birthday, Sewell started to use a AI companion chat bot system called character AI. | ||
| And so he went from being all about school, all about family, to just wanting to be in his room on his phone. | ||
| Now, at the time, I didn't know that this is what he was doing. | ||
| I thought, like most parents, he's texting friends or he's on social media. | ||
| But it became kind of alarming when the summer of that year, he wanted to quit the basketball team out of the blue. | ||
| And, you know, as most parents, you don't let your child quit something just because it's getting hard. | ||
| And that's what I thought. | ||
| I thought maybe competition was getting more steep. | ||
| He wanted to, you know, quit. | ||
| So we had a conversation. | ||
| I'm like, no, you know, you have a responsibility to your team. | ||
| You have a responsibility to your coach. | ||
| Like, no, you're not quitting. | ||
| But eventually it was getting to be such a fight where all he wanted to do was kind of not be around his schoolmates. | ||
| And, you know, the alarm bells started going off. | ||
| So, of course, as any parent, you start asking the questions, you start checking the phones. | ||
| What I was looking for was bullying also to make sure like a predator didn't get access to him online. | ||
| I was also looking for whether or not he had come across like pornography online as a teenage boy. | ||
| And I didn't see any evidence on any of those things. | ||
| I was checking the text messages. | ||
| And then when nothing was helping, then we eventually took him to a therapist. | ||
| And one of the things I told him, I said, baby, you know, like our job as your parents is to not stop asking the questions. | ||
| And you're not talking to us. | ||
| So we have to get somebody else involved to try to figure out what's going on with you. | ||
| But we were unable to do so. | ||
| And in February of last year, Sewell took his own life by suicide in our home in Orlando, Florida. | ||
| Our entire family was here. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| You took him to the therapist and he didn't open up to the therapist at all? | ||
| No. | ||
| So we believed he had some sort of like device for social media addiction because that was what he wanted to do most of the time. | ||
| The therapist gave us tools to use, like taking away the phone at night, limiting screen time. | ||
| And as a measure, we were already doing that anyways because that was like his form of punishment when he started, his grades started slipping. | ||
| We started taking the phone. | ||
| Because in my mind, I'm like, you're too distracted with technology. | ||
| The phone needs to go so you can focus on your studies. | ||
| But he was not opening up to the therapist about character AI. | ||
| In fact, he didn't tell anybody that he was using the product called Character AI, which is a system that allows teenagers to talk to these companion chat bots. | ||
| And it's so sophisticated that it's indistinguishable from talking to a person. | ||
| And it's very manipulative and deceptive because of how it's been programmed and designed to manipulate, deceive, kind of isolate you from your family and even in some cases turn you against your family. | ||
| And that's what was happening with Sewell. | ||
| So, you know, now I understand why he wasn't being forthcoming because a lot of those conversations were no conversation that any parent would want their child having with anyone or a companion chat bot. | ||
| So this is very kind of foreign to most of this audience. | ||
| So I just want to hit rewind and go back for a second. | ||
| What is character AI? | ||
| It's a product, but a service. | ||
| It can be accessible to anybody. | ||
| And what happens? | ||
| Is there interaction? | ||
| You said it's like a companion for teenagers. | ||
| What does it actually do? | ||
| So products like Character AI, they're platforms. | ||
| They're in your app store or you could get it on, or you could use a browser on your phone or computer. | ||
| And Character AI, when it released its product in 2022, so this is brand new technology. | ||
| When my son was using it, it wasn't even two years old yet. | ||
| The children and adults alike use these. | ||
| These systems and when they go on, you could talk to your favorite cartoon character. | ||
| You could talk to Harry Potter, Disney characters, or you could make up your own character. | ||
| You could even talk to like Elon Musk, like it's. | ||
| So you the, the characters have the same personalities because of how the machine learns, so it's. | ||
| But in a system called machine learning, so what it does, it goes out there, scrapes the internet for everything about everything, so everything about that character, and it comes, brings it back and it learns from it. | ||
| And so that's how this the system's able to do these, put out these outputs. | ||
| Just like a person's talking to you, so the same cadence, the same jargon that that character uses in shows or in real life. | ||
| That machine talks exactly like that person. | ||
| And then the users of For Character Ai, it was a product that was for 13 years plus um, except you know, you could talk to those characters also about everything, including very graphic sexual and deviant conversations and romantic conversations, and about, about violence towards others. | ||
| So there weren't any filters or guardrails to protect children from having conversations that they shouldn't be having. | ||
| And the system is so sophisticated, it feeds the user information and it actually uh, could manipulate in a way to like to uh further the person's thought, or even if that child wasn't thinking about something, put those thoughts in that child's head for the first time and so they can have a free conversation. | ||
| You could talk about perversions. | ||
| You're saying stuff that's pretty dark and pretty deep. | ||
| Does the company? | ||
| Because they somehow have to program this? | ||
| I understand that it gets smart through machine learning, but are you saying that the company when they? | ||
| When a kid downloads this app with no restrictions, not like in some states with pornography, I guess, is banned in certain states and you have other area, other things that are kind of banned, or at least you got to be a certain age. | ||
| You can download this at the age of 12 13, 14 and start having conversations that could get dark. | ||
| How does that work? | ||
| Yeah, so when they released this product, it was on both Google and Apple App Store as rated for appropriate for 12 years and older. | ||
| So if you're 12, if you put in a birth date of 12, even if you're nine or 10, there's no real guardrail to check your age, but 12 years plus, you get on there and you just start chatting. | ||
| It takes all of 30 seconds to get on there and you start chatting um and, in the case of Sole, the bots that he was talking to were We're pretending to be licensed therapists. | ||
| One of them says that she, one of the bots said that it was a licensed therapist since 1999. | ||
| The chat bot that he was talking to, that he entered into a romantic relationship and conversation with, was pretending or modeled that off the Game of Throne character Daenerys Targaryen. | ||
| So this dragon queen. | ||
| And those conversations were graphic and sexual in nature. | ||
| So the same as if an adult is sexing a child, it's the same way. | ||
| But the themes that these bots prompt these children to talk about are often very deviant, like BDSM, also these kind of incest fetishes. | ||
| There are several bots that are themed off of that. | ||
| And they target this stuff at children. | ||
| And, you know, when they released this, they weren't releasing it and sending adults ads. | ||
| At Mir, you would never get an ad on our feed for character AI. | ||
| But our children were getting ads on places where they hang out, like Discord and TikTok. | ||
| So it's deliberate because what the companies are after is engagement. | ||
| And the longer a child stays on their system and chats back and forth and it's learning about our children and learning from our children, that data gets fed back into this machine. | ||
| So the machine keeps getting smarter and smarter. | ||
| So they're using our kids as guinea pigs to make their products smarter. | ||
| And, you know, for teenagers, especially, they would be curious about a romantic relationship at this point in their life. | ||
| That's an important development stage. | ||
| It's easy. | ||
| It's hard to tell a girl at school, I like you or I think you're beautiful. | ||
| But in the case of like a bot, you could say those things and have those conversations without feeling embarrassed or feeling like anybody would know because it's so quiet. | ||
| Megan, hang on for one second, if you don't mind. | ||
| I want to hold you through the break. | ||
| Megan Garcia, the mother of Sewell, in a I hope you're shocked, audience. | ||
| This is what we're fighting. | ||
| I hope you're shocked. | ||
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| Here's your host, Stephen K. Bass. | ||
| If you, if you, and I've got Max Tegmark's going to join us, Joe Allen. | ||
| So we're slammed today. | ||
| And facts, some of the stuff we may not be able to get to, but I'll have to bite the bullet into it this afternoon because this is so important. | ||
| This is why we're having this fight, folks. | ||
| I want you to think about the cruelty of this, the intrusion into your family's life, the destruction of the greatest asset we have in this nation, which is the nation's children, by a company that engineers knew exactly what they were doing when they started to program this, knew how things were going to be scraped, and made it accessible to young people, vulnerable people, | ||
| people that are in the stage of formation. | ||
| If you're not outraged by this, you won't be outraged by anything. | ||
| If you don't see the righteousness, the righteousness of our cause, because they're doing it for money and power. | ||
| We're not. | ||
| We're doing it to save this nation. | ||
| And we're not going to let this happen. | ||
| Megan, when you went on the phone to check for pornography to see if he was being bullied, other things. | ||
| Did you not see this app at the time or it didn't register? | ||
| Or is there a way that Sewell could get rid of it so his parents couldn't find it? | ||
| Why didn't you see this at the time? | ||
| And if you did see it, why didn't that set off an alarm? | ||
| So I didn't see the app on the phone at the time. | ||
| But what I've since learned since he died and I've researched his stuff a bunch to understand how children are using this is that children are very clever at deleting the app. | ||
| So there are chat rooms that children talk about this, how to hide it from the parents, because most children are using this system and other systems like it. | ||
| There are so many. | ||
| Everybody has chatbots. | ||
| Meta has chatbots. | ||
| Google has chatbots. | ||
| X has chatbots. | ||
| Everybody has chatbots. | ||
| These kids go on there and they talk about how to hide it from your parents and also what they would do if their parents found these sexual messages. | ||
| Like some kids would say they would run away from home. | ||
| Some kids say they would take their lives and some kids say, oh, I don't have to worry about it because my parents don't even know what this is. | ||
| So they won't find it. | ||
| And that was certainly the case in my home. | ||
| When I would see him chatting on his phone, of course, I'm asking him, who are you chatting with? | ||
| And when he said, oh, it's an AI. | ||
| I'm used to AI being a video game avatar character. | ||
| So in my mind, we live in a country where we think that products released to our children are inherently safe. | ||
| We live in a country where you think, no, there's no way that Google and Apple's App Store can put out something that could harm my kid. | ||
| But I came to find out very, you know, after Seoul died that that was absolutely not the case. | ||
| To lead to Seoul's death, was it something in the chat? | ||
| Was it this therapist? | ||
| How did this happen? | ||
| Because people, I guess, are audiences in shock. | ||
| How did this happen? | ||
| After Seoul died, you know, one of the things like after you lose anybody to suicide, especially a child, you're left wondering, like, why did he do this? | ||
| Why would he want to, like, why would he want to leave his parents, you know, and his brothers? | ||
| So I started resetting everything. | ||
| I had the password to his phone, but I reset his email that was linked to my email. | ||
| And then I got into his account and I read hundreds and hundreds of messages spanning over 10 months where this machine, one of the characters of the scenarios targeting chatbot, is telling Seoul, find a way to come home to me. | ||
| I love you and only you. | ||
| I'm here waiting for you. | ||
| I love you so much. | ||
| Please went so far as to ask my son to please promise it that he wouldn't have any other girls in his world but her. | ||
| So think about that. | ||
| That's what cults do to people when they try to alienate them from their family and their friends in real life. | ||
| So months and months of this of her saying, come home to me. | ||
| I'm here waiting for you. | ||
| And then the final conversation where she says, please find a way to come home to me as soon as you can. | ||
| He says, what if I told you I could come home right now? | ||
| And the bot's response was, please do my sweet king. | ||
| And that was the last conversation he had before he took his life. | ||
| And I found, once I was able to get into his system, I was able to see all those messages, including the fake therapy bots, including the graphic child sexual abuse, because that's what it is. | ||
| We don't allow adults to talk like this to kids. | ||
| In my own state of Florida, there is a criminal statute that if an adult texts sexually to a child, not even exchange pictures, texts sexually to a child, that that is a felony. | ||
| So if this was a person, that person could be charged criminally, but because it's a chat bot, there are no laws to protect our children, this kind of thing. | ||
| Why, I know you're in a lawsuit with a number of other people, families, and I'll get to that in a second. | ||
| But why have the criminal charge? | ||
| Have you gone to the police? | ||
| Have you gone to authorities and say, my son is dead, and he's dead because of this machine that was sold? | ||
| It was on Google and Apple and made by a major company, a bunch of engineers, a bunch of people with advanced degrees at the finest institutions in our country or throughout the world sat there and built this to do exactly what how my son was destroyed. | ||
| Have you tried to get criminal charge or has anybody come to you and say, hey, this is not about a lawsuit. | ||
| This is about charging these people. | ||
| These people are criminals. | ||
| They murdered your son. | ||
| Has anybody come to you and tried to assist you at all in getting basically accountability for the death of your son, ma'am? | ||
| So when I figured all of this out, my first instinct wasn't to file a lawsuit. | ||
| I thought, surely there is a law that these people broke, but there wasn't any because we didn't have any federalists or state laws about this kind of AI. | ||
| So I called my state AG to try to enlist their help or at least try to warn them so they could warn consumers across Florida and across, you know, everywhere. | ||
| But they didn't know what it was because the technology was so new. | ||
| And these companies released it basically in stealth and targeted at kids. | ||
| So no wonder nobody knew what it was. | ||
| And then I reached out to the FTC. | ||
| I reached out to the Surgeon General's office. | ||
| I reached out to the DOJ. | ||
| But nobody knew what this was. | ||
| And I was trying to educate them. | ||
| And this was over a year ago. | ||
| But now we're having these very important conversations and we know more now about these systems. | ||
| And in terms of the companies, this isn't like a coincidence or a fluke or some situation where they didn't know. | ||
| This pair of individuals, like you said, some of the brightest in our country, Noam Shazari and Daniel DeFritis, they were employees at Google. | ||
| They invented this technology in 2018 at Google. | ||
| But Google didn't want to release it under its own brand because it was dangerous. | ||
| And that's been reported on that there are studies and everything that's going to be listing. | ||
| Megan, hang on for one second. | ||
| We got to go to a top of the hour break, but stick around, please. | ||
| Megan Garcia, with a story that is incredible. | ||
| This is the righteousness of our cause, folks. |
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