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Funding bill for the furloughed employees.
It's not gonna pass Katie most likely.
That's Ron uh Ron Johnson of Wisconsin's bill, a bill that he's introduced in past shutdowns, which would pay for yeah, effectively pay for federal employees who are otherwise furloughed.
I don't think that's gonna pass.
We just reported John Bresnahan just reported he that Chris Van Holland, who represents Maryland, a huge, obviously a huge hub, huge bastion of federal workers is gonna put out his own bill that does something similar, um, which to me signals that the under that the Ron Johnson bill is not gonna pass.
Democratic Democrats rather complained is that the the Ron John bill um uh provides a slush fund of sorts and the president can decide who he wants to pay and who he doesn't want to pay.
Now I personally do question whether uh there is some risk in opposing that.
The President is taking questions right now, though.
We're gonna do a hard cut and we'll pick up the show in the president's.
A comment and a uh question, please, for you.
First of all, you have just won billion plus hearts around the globe, including in India, by celebrating the Bihali in the White House, yeah, right here.
And my other comment says Mr. President, I like his question or in February, you and the White House staff welcomed, gave a warm welcome to the Prime Minister of India, Mr. Nendar Modi.
And after that, I decided to make a short trip to India for you.
How popular you are in India?
And I went there in a whole also festival there.
Millions of people were there, and also Prime Minister Narinder Modi was addressing a media event, five thousand people.
I was one of them there listening to him.
And when I went to several states in India, what I found out, Mr. President, three people are more popular there.
Prime Minister Prime Minister Narendra Modi, President Donald Trump, Mr. Kash Patel, and also with a surprise of our White House press secretary, Carolyn Lev.
She's doing good, right?
She is doing good.
Mr. President, my question is you had a great relationship with the people of India when you visited India and with the with with the Prime Minister of India, Maredin Burdhi, and also with the Indian American community.
Where do we stand today?
All those relations from 45 to 47 in the future, Mr. President, please.
Thank you.
No, we stand great.
And the people of India love the people of India, and we're working on some great deals between our countries.
I spoke to the Prime Minister Bodi today, as I mentioned before, and uh we just have a very good relationship.
And he's not gonna buy much oil from Russia.
He wants to see that war end as much as I do.
He wants to see the war end with Russia, Ukraine.
And uh as you know, they're not gonna be buying too much oil.
So they've cut it way back, and they're continuing to cut it way back.
Yeah, please go.
An appeals court recently ruled that you can send the National Guard into Oregon.
Do you feel unfettered to send the National Guard into whatever city you want now?
Well, I guess so.
That was the uh decision that I can send the National Guard if I see problems.
I looked at Portland over the weekend, the place is burning down.
Just burning down.
We we weren't there.
We weren't we didn't spend much time there because we were waiting for that decision.
But the court probably then maybe that influenced the court.
But you look at a place like Portland, it's just it's ridiculous when they say that there's no problem.
The place is it was on fire over the weekend.
Uh but we did.
We won the uh case in court of appeals.
I think it was a nice ninth circuit, so that's pretty good.
And uh very strong opinion that we have the right to use the national guard.
You would think that would be common sense.
We have the right to use the national guard to put out trouble.
Well, that's you know how I got elected.
One of the reasons I got elected yesterday.
What changed your mind uh after talking to Vladimir Putin between then and now?
Why did you think that a Budapest summit would be might be a wasted uh might be wasted in time?
Well, I didn't say anything.
I didn't say it would, and you know, you never know what's gonna happen, but A lot of things are happening on that front on the war front with uh Ukraine and Russia, and uh we'll be notifying you over the next two days as to what we're doing.
Did you hear that?
A lot of a lot of things are happening.
Did you hear something?
Yeah, please.
Uh, on Ukraine, do you still see a chance for a Cisfire?
And what is Putin asking for?
Do you still see a chance for a Sisfaya?
And what is Poutine asking for?
I do.
It's a vicious look.
It's a vicious war.
It doesn't really affect us.
We sell equipment to them, we sell equipment to NATO, and NATO gives it to Ukraine, but we don't pay anything anymore.
Biden spent 350 billion dollars.
The war would have never happened if I were president.
Would have never, not even a million years.
And Putin knows that uh would have never happened.
But it did happen, and I came in and I I have to see if I can put it out.
But it doesn't affect us because we're not losing soldiers there.
Although uh when I first came in, that could have ended up, it's not gonna happen.
But it could have ended up in World War III.
That was really out of control.
So now it's uh they're shooting and they're killing people, and uh I think uh Putin wants it to end, and I think Zelensky wants it to end, and I think it's gonna end.
Well, he's just reached out to you about meeting on the government shutdown.
Will you meet with him before you leave for Asia on Friday?
Well, I will actually I'd love to meet with them.
I just want them to open up the country first.
You know, the country's do is so hot right now.
And they've never voted against you know, continuation.
They've never voted again.
They've never done that.
They're doing this because they have Trump derangement syndrome.
But I will I would love to meet, I would like to meet with both of them, but uh I I sent one little caveat.
Uh I will only meet if they let the country open.
They have to let the country open.
The people want to go back to work, they want to be served, they wanna, they they need the services of some people.
Uh and a lot of people need the money, the payroll.
So I'll do it as soon as they open up the country, I'd like to meet with the government.
So you won't be in the dominant.
Just to be clear, you won't meet with them until the government's open.
Government has to be open, yeah.
The government has been.
You know how long it would take for them to do that?
Just say, okay, government's open, that's it.
There is nothing.
How long are you doing?
They're not negotiating.
What they're doing is saying they lost the negotiation and when we got the great big beautiful deal done.
They lost that negotiation.
Now they're saying, well, we want to get some of the things we lost.
But the problem is the things they lost are very bad for our country.
Uh we don't want to have people come over from all over the world from prisons and all and have them have their health care paid for.
We want to take care of people that are air that are American citizens and all so they want 1.5 trillion dollars of money to be wasted and jeopardize the health care of other people.
We're not gonna do that.
So uh we're gonna I would love to meet with them.
We want the country open first here.
Well, the president asked your president.
A new poll shows that if Curtis Sleewa dropped out of the New York mayoral race, then Andrew Cuomo would will be trail Mondani by four points.
Would you call Curtis Leawat to drop out of the race so that can happen?
Well, I looked at the polls, and uh looks like we're gonna have a communist as the mayor of New York, it'll be very interesting.
But here's the good news, he's got to go through the White House.
Every everything goes through the White House, at least this White House it does, and we'll have to see what happens.
But uh if he dropped out, he's not gonna win.
And not looking too good for Cuomo either.
But maybe, I don't know, if he dropped out, maybe Cuomo would have a little bit of a chance, but not much.
Because it looks like uh the leaders, it's not a great lead, but it's it's big enough that he should be able to win.
So, you know, I don't know that I want to get involved.
It's really a question of would I rather have a Democrat or a communist?
And I would rather have a Democrat than a communist.
Wouldn't you mean Mom Donnie if he wins?
Yeah, I'll speak to him.
But look, I love New York.
I've always loved New York.
I just can't believe a thing like this is happening.
I left New York, and uh we had a mayor, De Blasio, who was a disaster, but when I left, it was sort of before he could really take hold.
And boy, New York was a hot city, and now it's uh it's sad to see what's happening, frankly.
And with the communists in charge, look, you just go back a thousand years.
I mean, it's been done many times, a thousand years, it's never worked once, so it's not gonna work now either.
Um you're building your ballroom right now.
They're also building the Obama presidential library.
I'm wondering if you've seen it.
Have you seen pictures of the architecture?
Yeah, I do.
It's not too pretty.
No, but it's it's closed, it's stopped.
They ran out of money.
Means building a library slash museum.
You know, you call it some museums, some, and usually they call they call it library and museum.
That's the official name.
And uh they're stuck.
And he wanted only women and DEI to build it.
Well, that's what they got.
And the construction workers are standing out there and saying we want to be able to build it.
You know, you have great.
I built a great building in Chicago, as you know, a big, beautiful building, one of the tallest buildings in the country, and we got it built very quickly, very well.
And we use the construction workers of Chicago.
They're great workers, they're great construction people.
And I suggest that he get them involved, but they're uh hundreds of millions of dollars over budget, and I think it's stopped.
I've been reading these terrible stories, but that's the way our country was run under President Obama, too.
Nobody knew it.
Mr. President, Mr. President.
Thank you, Mr. President.
Uh Russia remains China stop um crude oil supply in September.
Are you considering tariffs on China?
Uh well, I mean, you read the same papers as I do, but I don't have to read the papers because I'm the one right now, as of November 1st, uh, China will have about a hundred and fifty-five percent tariff put on it.
And I don't think it's sustainable for them, so I want to I want to be nice to China.
But China's been very rough with us over the years because we had presidents that weren't smart from a business standpoint.
Uh some were good politicians, some weren't even good politicians, but they allowed China to take advantage of us, and every other country to take advantage of us.
If you see, I made a deal with the European Union, I made a deal with Japan with South Korea, made a lot of these deals that are great deals, and uh I was able to do it.
It's really national security.
I was able to do it because of tariffs.
And uh we're getting hundreds of billions, even trillions of dollars paid into the United States.
We're a very rich country again.
Uh we'll start paying off debt, we'll do a lot of things, we'll probably make a distribution out of some of the tariff money.
I think we're gonna make a distribution uh over the next fairly short period of time to people because we took in so much money from the tariffs, um, just uh European Union six hundred and fifty billion dollars, Japan five hundred and fifty billion dollars, South Korea 350 billion.
That's even a lot of money for you guys, right?
That's not bad, right?
But uh we're taking it a lot of money, and and it keeps people like this here, because that's why they're coming in.
I mean, uh you wouldn't be, I mean, I'm not gonna speak for you, but generally they won't be coming in if order for tariffs.
They come in here and they don't have to pay any tariff.
If they do it outside, they pay a lot of money, a lot of tariffs.
The money comes to us.
And in order not to pay the tariff, they come and they build here.
That's why we have more plants under construction than we've ever had in the history of our country.
And you wouldn't think it's complicated, but you would have thought somebody would have done this a long time ago, sitting in this beautiful seat behind what's called the resolute desk.
You know that, right?
It's a very famous.
This is even more famous than any of your desks.
But you're desk, you just are very good.
I'll follow up on her question to you, because the New York Times is reporting that your legal team is seeking 230 million dollars from your own Justice Department now in response to the investigations into you.
It could be is that something you want your legal team?
I don't know what the numbers are.
I don't even talk to them about it.
All I know is that uh they would owe me a lot of money, but I don't I'm not looking for money, I'd give it to charity or something.
I would give it to charity any money.
But look, what they did, they rigged the election.
And uh, as you know, uh we had in one case 60 minutes how to pay us a lot of money.
George Slavidopoulos had to pay us a lot of money, and they already paid, you know.
They paid me a lot of money because what they did was wrong.
And you know, when somebody does what's wrong now, with the country it's interesting because I'm the one that makes a decision, right?
And uh, you know, that decision would have to go across my desk.
And it's awfully strange to make a decision where I'm paying myself.
In other words, did you ever have one of those cases where you have to decide how much you're paying yourself in damages?
But I was damaged very greatly.
And any money that I would get, I would give to charity.
Is the Democrat Party now more Zoran Mandani's party than it is even leader Schumer's or leader?
Probably is, yeah.
It's uh maybe he'll run for president in four years, you have a communist president.
That would be interesting, right?
I don't see it happening.
You know, I I've always said you will never see, and I always talked about socialism, you will never see a socialist so-and-so.
And I was right, I'd say it in speeches, we will not have socialism in our country.
In other words, they skip socialism and they went down to communism.
No, he's a communist, and he's gonna be maybe the mayor of New York.
I don't know, maybe you know, polls are all, but these polls seem to be pretty consistent.
But he would be, I would say he would be the leader of the party.
It's not Schumer Schumer's shot.
He's shot.
This poor guy feels sorry for him.
I don't know him for a long time, but he's he's I think he's mentally good.
He's been beat up by young uh radical lunatics.
And I think uh Chuck Schumer is uh he's got I really do.
I I think he's probably not gonna run.
It shows that he's losing in every poll.
Now, this is hard, you know, he wants to meet with me.
Sort of hard to be with a guy after I make a statement like that, but I'm just giving you the facts.
I think Chuck is probably finished.
Um I know some people, Democrats that would be good, some good politicians and some you know reasonable people, but I understand that they would not have a chance of you know uh getting uh even the concept of holding the torch, they're not gonna get it.
But they have some people that I really believe they're low IQ people, they're stupid people, and they seem to be leading the party.
So we'll see what happens.
Look, the Republicans are strong, we have great leadership, we're very strong in every way, and we're gonna keep it that way.
But we are really a strong party.
You know, our party's grown magnificently.
Uh we've got no way.
Look at all the union votes I got.
Nobody thought that was ever possible.
Look at the election where I won a popular vote.
I won everything.
I won all seven swing states.
If you win three or four swing states, you're doing great.
I won all seven by a lot.
And uh I think the best thing when you look at districts, uh 2,000 700 versus 525.
That's big.
That's why the map shows all red.
So we won in a tremendous landslide, and that's because people like our policy.
I guess they like me, but they like my policies.
Strong borders, good education, low taxes, you know.
In the great big beautiful bill, we got the biggest tax cut in history.
Not only no tax on tips, no tax on social security, no tax on overtime, but we got uh the biggest tax cut in the history of our country in the bill that we just approved.
And I think people see that and they like it, and that's why we're doing well, but they are not, they do not have leadership.
Thank you very much, everybody.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Great question.
What's a prize?
President uh dropping a couple of bombs there, talking about Mondami, talking about um so much of the activity going on.
Also just telling the Democrats, hey, if you um if you open the vote to open the government, you come only open the government, then I can sit down and have a discussion with you on other topics.
I think this is absolutely we're winning this shutdown.
Why would we possibly why would we possibly fold now?
This is all about illegal alien uh health care.
American people can't afford that, American people don't support that.
So you got the the Democrats walked in this, don't get them off the hook.
When the media's talking about when the media is talking about, oh, they ought to compromise and there's got to be some discussions and gotta be coming.
No.
The reason the media is doing that, it's their partners in crime.
And they realize the Democrats are getting hammered for this.
The Democrats shut this down because of a trillion dollars they want to spend over a number of years on illegal alien health care and don't let them say, well, it's outlawed.
That's not true.
It is true.
The illegal aliens, because they have to go to the emergency rooms, this is what pays for it.
There should be no compromise on this whatsoever.
We don't need to talk to any of the Democrats about anything.
Everything they have is so radical.
It's nothing to talk about.
This is the way you play Smash Mouth.
It's now time to break these folks.
Because they're not getting less radical, they're getting more radical.
So, And President Trump said it right there.
Is the new face of the Democratic Party and let him live with it?
Um Marx's jihadist.
And I don't know how this percentage of young Jewish kids or young Jewish people are voting for Mandami in um in New York City.
That shows me that the education system there ought to be shut down.
President Trump, he has a whole lot of power when it comes to New York City.
Don't think he's going to go along with this.
If you vote for it, assume that your life's going to change, and we don't care if you hate Trump, because it doesn't matter.
We don't need New York.
We won three times without New York.
Yes, I said it.
2020 also.
We won three times without New York, and Trump's going to win a fourth time without New York.
So we love all the MAGA folks there, but New York City, Manhattan, hey, drop dead.
You're about to uh elect a uh Marxist jihadist who hates America.
We have no earthy idea who this guy is.
He's been a citizen for six years, have no idea where the money comes from.
Cutter, the mom, the dad, shady, shady, shady characters.
Of course, it's anti, it's anti they hate Americans, they hate American citizens.
He's obviously very anti-white.
He's the whole package.
He's Sadiq Khan on testosterone.
He will turn New York City into London.
And for all the guys that talked all the big smack early on about, oh, we're gonna do this and do that, and defeat him.
You guys look like uh you look like morons right now.
And you still got Curtis Sleewa in the in the picture, and people tweeting out that isn't this a great in Curtis Grave.
No, Curtis Sleewa is one of the problems.
That ego narcissist, he's never gonna be the mayor of New York.
He's never come close to being the mayor of New York.
In fact, I don't even know what nobody even can explain to me what the guardian angels are.
And yet this is one of the guys, and Adams didn't get out quick enough, and people didn't come around enough.
No, we got we have a cold open that's epic and monumental.
Let's go ahead and play that, and we're gonna bring the show in and uh we're gonna go from there.
It's not gonna pass, Katie, most likely.
That's Ron uh Ron Johnson of Wisconsin's bill, a bill that he's introduced in past shutdowns, which would pay for effectively pay for federal employees who are otherwise furloughed.
I don't think that's gonna pass.
We just reported John Bresnahan just reported he that Chris Van Holland, who represents Maryland, a huge, obviously a huge hub, huge bastion of federal workers, is gonna put out his own bill that does something similar, um, which to me signals that the under that the Ron Johnson bill is not gonna pass.
Democratic Democrats rather complaint is that the the Ron John bill um provides a slush fund of sorts, and the president can decide who he wants to pay and who he doesn't want to pay.
Now, I personally do question whether uh there is some risk in opposing that bill, obviously, because as your previous uh guests suggested, like this is a real life thing where people who are going to work every day are not getting paid and they're not gonna go to work.
And Katie, as you and I know, the the air aviation infrastructure in this country is is um you know uh at times not great.
And if yeah, and if the if air traffic controllers are calling out in cities like Charlotte, Chicago, Atlanta, DC, New York, big cities with big hub airports, we're gonna have problems, and especially approaching the Thanksgiving season.
I will say this that we have Darth Vader, you know Darth Vader, right?
Darth Vader is uh a man who uh I think they're sitting right, is that Darth?
Stand up, please, Darth Vader.
Stand up.
Does everybody know?
This is they call him Darth Vader.
I call him a fine man, but he's cutting Democrat priorities, and they're never gonna get him back.
And they've caused us and they've really allowed us to do it.
And by the way, thank you, you're doing a great job, I have to tell you.
So uh uh really a great job.
Because many of the things that they're cutting, like the New York project, 20 billion dollars we're cutting it, they're not gonna get it back.
I mean, they're not gonna get a lot of things back.
They may not get it back, maybe we'll talk to them about it, but they're losing all the things that they they wanted.
But they're many of the things that they wanted are things that we don't want.
They things that are just so bad for our country.
And we're cutting those things out.
Government shut down the three meet weak mark, and lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are getting the same message from their voters.
Stay the course.
But not all of them.
Now a group of vulnerable House Republicans is getting a bit itchy, calling on Speaker Mike Johnson to quote immediately turn the focus to health care affordability.
I mean, these are some of those moderate and or uh battleground district Republicans who quite frankly admit in this new letter that they just sent to Speaker Mike Johnson that quite frankly they need to get something done on this.
That yes, while they say it is not their quote responsibility that we are in this situation, they have the opportunity to fix it.
And quite frankly, they seem to see the writing on the wall, which Democrats are really hitting Republicans on for quite some time, that if these premiums start to skyrocket, which is what we're expecting them to do in the next couple weeks as people get those uh notices in the mail, and also, of course, the marketplace opens on November 1.
There could be some backlash, and one of the things that Democrats quietly have said since the beginning of this shutdown fight is at the very least, changing the national conversation to really hone in on health care could be a winning message for them because Democrats traditionally pull very well in that arena.
Meanwhile, here on Capitol Hill, the push and pull, quite frankly, continues where both sides are not really talking to each other, they're talking uh to themselves, and some of the top Republicans in the Senate are very much laying the line in the sand, which is echoed by these battleground Republicans, basically saying, We're not going to do anything, though, until the government reopens.
Today, I'm calling on every Senate Democrat to stop the madness, to let our country get back.
In the greatest moment in the history of our country in terms of wealth, in terms of job creation, and in terms of investment coming in, These guys go on strike.
It's really a shame.
So I'm asking them to be smart, it's not working, they're getting killed in the polls.
The public understands what they're doing, they're doing the wrong thing.
This is the fourth week of the Democrat shutdown.
But we are all here today because your Republican team in the Senate is unified.
We are this is now the the longest full shutdown in history, but everybody here has voted now 11 different times to open up the government, and we are gonna keep voting to open up the government, And eventually, the Democrats, hopefully sooner or later, are going to come around.
With all of the elements in the great, big, beautiful bill, I'll tell you, it's amazing what we've done.
200 billion dollars in costs for medical, what we've done, fifty billion dollars for rural hospitals.
And remember, no tax on tips, no tax on social security, no tax on think of think of all of these things that we've done.
This is the biggest, this is the greatest bill, social security, no tax on overtime.
But no tax on tips.
I got that from a waitress in Nevada.
I was making a speech and I'm at one of my restaurants in in the hotel I own there, and I I say, How are you doing?
Well, sir, it's terrible.
They're taxing my tips, they're going.
I didn't even I wouldn't have even thought that.
And I looked at it and she said to me, sir, there should be no tax on tips.
I said, say it one time more.
No tax on tips.
I walked outside to the press, I said there will be no tax on tips.
She was right.
And uh we won that state by a lot.
That's not a state that we win by that much, David, but we won it by a lot.
So it was uh it was pretty good.
That China's building right now fifty-two power stations.
But I did something better.
I'm letting everybody build their own power plant, so they'll become like an electric utility in addition to AI.
But if they want to build their own plant, and we get their approvals within less than a month, it used to take five years prior to rejection.
Sometimes the guy in uh Louisiana, they had one that took twelve years, and then they got rejected.
I got it approved in two weeks when I got into office.
was the first term.
Amazon, which is reportedly on the verge of a seismic workplace shift, The New York Times reports that executives at the on layer online retail giant believe the company aims to replace more than half a million jobs with robots.
The company expects to avoid hiring more than 160,000 in the U.S. that would otherwise need by 2027.
In all, executives think the automation would allow the company to avoid hiring 600,000 new employees.
Doesn't seem good.
Amazon said in a statement that the documents viewed by the paper were incomplete and did not represent the company's overall hiring strategy.
Stay tuned.
This peace deal was struck under the president's leadership literally a week ago.
The hostages were turned what, six days ago, five days ago.
So we're in the phase now where we're actually starting to conceptualize what that international security force would look like.
I think it's important for Americans to know a couple of things.
Number one, there are not going to be American boots on the ground in Gaza.
The President of the United States has made that very clear.
All of our military leadership has made that very clear.
What we can do is provide some useful coordination.
How do you take, you know, the Gulf Arab states, plus Israel, plus you know, plus the Turks, plus the Indonesians.
How do you actually get those folks to work together in a way that actually produces long-term peace?
The only real mediators are the United States of America.
And so that's the role that we're going to play.
I think the American people should be proud of it, but they should know that there are going to be no American gr boots on the ground in Gaza.
Okay.
Uh duly note that uh the vice president is over there with Jared.
They kind of broke down today.
And by the way, they're I think they're funneling in some British officers to kind of work and coordinate with the Turks.
But uh my understanding is they had a very blunt discussion with certain uh members of the Israeli high command and saying, hey, we're gonna have to work this thing, it's gonna be a little choppy, but we gotta stop strafing and bombing that the president of the United States has deemed this deal is going to work.
I think Cutter and Turkey are also in these conversations.
Um American boots on the ground, a commitment by the president of the United States.
Fantastic.
President also is sitting there talking about there's nothing to debate.
When these guys vote to open the government, and any which way they do it, you can do it.
But I don't see what uh what the necessity of getting in there negotiating.
Who cares about Mike Lawler?
The whole thing's gonna change after Mondani anyway.
So I don't hear the all the bleeding of of you know, guys like Waller all the time.
Oh, I'm in a swing district.
Well, dude, work it harder.
Get more Trump, get more MAGA.
One of the reasons that you barely win, you're not MAGA.
Folks up there want you to be MAGA.
Embrace it.
Embrace your destiny.
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Okay.
Uh Joe Allen's going to join me in the next hour.
We're going to talk about AI, of course, today announced.
Um, and this was not announced.
I should say it differently.
The New York Times found an internal report to Amazon, one of our favorite companies.
So for all working class people out there, understand they're all trying to screw you.
Okay.
That's the their business model is to screw, particularly young people coming up under 35.
All these guys that you adore, you know, all the broligarchs, their whole business model is to screw you and to make sure you're nothing but you continue to be a Russian serf.
What does that mean?
You don't own anything, and you ain't gonna own anything.
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The rise of Bobby Kennedy.
Uh it looks like extraordinary.
Let's play the trailer, and then I'm gonna bring in they had a they had one of these round tables today, uh, Claire Dooley put on in the children's health defense folks, and I've got James Lionel Wallace going to join us here in a moment.
Let's go ahead and play the trailer.
His goal will be to make America healthy, I guess.
Senator Kennedy has been shot.
This is an inescapable trauma.
He's pushing back against people who've told him he's uh fraud.
They're not paying by the rules, they're not using gold standard science.
He's the most famous Kennedy in America right now.
He's the most famous Kennedy in America.
10 p.m. tonight, the Secretary of Health Um Human Services, HHS, Health and Human Services, uh will be profiled in this.
Don't miss it tonight.
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James Lyon Lyons Weiler.
That's the most waspy name I've ever had on the show in five years.
Are you like from the Mayflower?
Yeah, no, I mean, listen, we all come from various pedigrees, but uh Well that's pure wasp.
Yeah, yeah.
I I grew up in upstate New York.
All I know is small town country, boy.
Okay, okay, okay.
That's cool.
I like the arc of the family.
Um you're a researcher.
You're very concerned about you used to be at the big universities, you're very concerned about the weaponization of science.
Yeah.
What you gave a talk today, you were in this, you were at the round table.
We love these round tables.
We're particularly interested in you.
Um today.
What do you mean weaponization of science?
Well, the American public is beginning to hear from Kennedy, uh Secretary Kennedy, a lot about what uh uh has been going on over the years behind closed doors in the area of science.
First of all, I want to demarcate between science and fraud, right?
So if I'm a scientist and I have to answer to a pharmaceutical company because they pay my bills or they gave me an endowed chair at a university.
I'm gonna do everything that I can do to make sure that that pharmaceuticals products look as good as they possibly can if I'm doing that science.
Otherwise, I'm gonna lose my chair.
And if if I lose my chair, that whole system selects for people that are willing to sell out.
So we end up with a bias.
You're telling me that everybody that takes a chair funded by uh the the pharmaceutical, you know, sponsored by Pfizer, is by definition, you by your definition a sellout?
Well, I'm saying that the system selects for that.
I don't know how far the selection's gone completely.
But I know for a fact that uh if there's a narrative that the former CDC or NIAID with Anthony Fauci had to have for public health.
If you were at a university and you actually went against the grain, your university got a call, and all of your NIH funding was threatened over, let's say HPV vaccine safety or MMR vaccine safety.
So this kind of shakedown.
Hang on a second.
So I'm to take it that all the reports that have come out of these universities on topics like that, where I can go back and see that big pharma somehow either endowed a chair or gave money for research that they're all suspect.
Well, I think that's the nature of the state of the state.
But you don't call it you don't call that fraud.
You call that weaponized science.
No, I think it's uh there is a bit that's a mix.
That's the thing.
There's a mix.
There's a mix of fraud in weaponized science and then the use of science in a way that is just fooling the public, right?
So I'm a scientist.
I defend science in the public interest.
Can you give me a specific example of either fraud or weaponization in this regard?
Yeah, absolutely.
So when uh the CDC whistleblower, who I'm sure you've heard about, William Thompson came out, he told Brian Hooker that uh a study that was published in 2004 by Frank DeStefano and a lot of people at the CDC actually buried data so the institutes of medicine couldn't look at it.
That the MMR vaccine did indeed seem to contribute to an increased risk of autism in African American boys, and they manipulated the study by dropping everybody from the study that didn't have a Georgia birth certificate just to reduce the sample size, which is the number of uh pe people in the study, so the statistics couldn't pick it up.
And that's fraud.
So the demarcation between science and fraud is something that's been going on for decades, over a hundred years.
You mentioned the Institute of Medicine.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
The Institute of Medicine is one of the most corrupt institutions in the entire Federal Government that's saying something.
Isn't the Institute of Medicine the the group that said that Agent Orange could actually be eaten and try to prove it?
And for for ten years, the whole Agent Orange thing started with this institute of medicine that has got a track record of being not just for sale, but beyond corrupt.
I couldn't believe it.
When I looked into the authors of this one study I talked about in MMR, it's the same people that did the study for on Agent Orange to a person.
So aren't you stop?
You mean the same guys that did the agent orange is the same one that did this?
Colleen Boyle, Frank Distefano, others, they were absolutely hired to go to work at CDC because they knew how to fix the science, the data, the fraud.
So who how many years ago was this?
Well, Agent Orange obviously came about after the guys came back.
But your example is 2004, so the science would have been done 2002, 2003.
Can we go back?
I mean, why are there not why is there not some investigation?
Why are criminal charges not brought against us?
Well, that's a good question.
I think that we're going to probably see some prosecutions on the basis of defrauding the federal government.
If I'm funded by the federal government to do science, to do research, and I falsify the data, I can be fined personally and I can be banned from doing research for 10 years.
So I think that there's some recourse we can do.
Kennedy's still, you know, catching his catching his stride here, right?
But I'll tell you, th there are journals that have retracted good studies, and that's another aspect of weaponization.
They try retracted good studies to destroy studies that show that there's a problem with vaccines and other drugs.
And the Attorney General's office has been handed a list by Secretary Kennedy of those journals that are helping to falsify the record.
In fact, we're going to have Brian Hooker on tomorrow.
I'm going to try to have Brian Hooker on tomorrow, so follow up to you.
Let me get this right.
Because I think you're breaking news here.
This is news.
Okay.
Well, it's news.
So the the the guy that I heard it from is actually the former office uh he's the office of the pardon attorney now, Ed uh Ed Martin.
Ed Martin.
He was at the association for uh sorry, the association of uh physicians and surgeons meeting last month.
I was there and he made an announcement that uh Mr. Kennedy, Secretary Kennedy gave him a list of 28 studies with the journals and layperson summaries that actually they were wrongfully retracted and that those journals have been put on notice by the Attorney General's office.
And I was asked by Secretary Kennedy to put that list together for him.
And so in that list is compiled of what again?
Journals, scientific journals that publish research studies that pulled studies wrongfully and destroyed science to to hide any problems with vaccines or other drugs.
But isn't this beyond because people were damaged by this?
Isn't this beyond a civil issue that who's going to get paid not?
Isn't that like criminal intent?
Yeah, I hope so.
So it's criminal intent in a number of ways.
Um who sent them the check?
Was it the drug companies or farm the vaccine manufacturers?
Was it the government?
Who told them to bias?
So there's collusion, right?
There's there's that.
But beyond that, then we also have the fact that again, these these journals are many of them are contracted by the U.S. government to publish science in the public interest.
And if they're defrauding the government on that contract, then there's a problem.
But no, you're right.
I think there's some criminal activity.
Is Secretary Kennedy going to come up and make this as big a deal as it looks like it is?
Because what you're saying, and I think our audience and other people fall in this.
You see a guy like Fauci, and we helped sell the book, you know, the what the the the hidden Tony Fauci or whatever.
And I think we sold 750,000 copies.
They did so 750, the thing sold over million and a half.
The book's a blockbuster, and it's like the phone book.
I mean, it's totally in it, it's not accessible.
It's it's just it's just document after document, and people couldn't get enough of it.
Yeah.
But the mistake I think we've made is that people identify Fauci as like Dr. Dr. Evil.
The reality is the system itself drives this.
So you do have good men and women are caught up in it, but because of careerism, they go along.
It's kind of like the SS in World War II to go along to get along, and you've got crimes all over the place.
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of people from the deep state that are still there that are pushing against initiatives from Secretary Kennedy, and it's uh it's a serious problem.
Okay, hang on a second.
You've got your tinfold hat.
What do you mean deep state?
Talk to me about I thought deep state was at the CIA, the DNI, uh Pentagon, Justice Department.
When you say deep state and medicine, tell our audience what institutions are you talking about that are the deep state.
I'm talking about HHS.
There's regulatory capture at HHS where people are promised a job.
You just saw Peter Marks take a job at a big pharmaceutical company.
He was the head of SIBER at FTA, that's HHS.
You saw Julie Gerberting many years ago take a job at at Monsanto.
These guys with the revolving door, they'll they actually go get jobs at the companies that they were regulating just two months ago.
And it's their golden parachute, and that needs to stop.
So yeah, no, the deep state to me means what you just said, careers and people that are survivors that hold on to their job by doing whatever is necessary to enforce whatever narrative they're told to enforce by the people that are keeping them there.
Give me quick uh regulatory capture, to find that for our audience.
Regulatory capture is where agencies and the government actually make policy uh that reflects the interest of companies, uh corporations that they should be regulated.
They should be regulating them, but they're actually potentially against the public's interest and against public health.
Regulatory capture is one of the biggest threats to public health in the United States.
Um the um when you say that how big a problem is this to actually go in and get the Justice Department to start cleaning house over there, how big a deal?
Well, I most of the people I think that um are on the list of uh people that falsified science uh around vaccines uh are probably already out or on the way out.
So you know, fixing fixing the problem really is Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s job.
Secretary Kennedy is making appointments now, new appointments at CDC.
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Uh you uh are you doctor James Lyons Weiler?
That's correct.
In what's your doctorate in?
Yeah, I'm I'm a PhD in ecology and evolutionary biology, but I went I've been doing biomedical research since 2000.
Okay.
And you have another scoop for me?
I do.
So we were talking about fraud and science and vaccines and fact you have a website.
What's the web?
I want everybody to go to the website and Grayson Moore push it out.
What What's the website?
Popular rationalism on Substack.
Popular rationalism.
Yes, sir.
I think I've been to that site before.
And that and you have in there the fraud and all the reports you've been doing.
Yeah, you're gonna find stuff there.
You can also check out the Maha report published there sometimes.
I've gone to popular rationalism before.
Um, what's your scoop?
Well, the scoop is that uh when the CDC decided to study vaccines in pregnancy, they hired a guy named Tom Shimabukuru.
Tom Shimabukuro among our community is known as CDC's fixer because he makes problems go away.
And he actually had data that he did not show to the right.
We have to put up something in advance so we don't get sued by him.
It's so it's my this is on me.
It's on you.
He actually we have people drawing up affidavits that he showed a 4,250% increase in fetal demise during vaccination during pregnancy with influenza.
He was the same guy that he went to, they went to for RSV, the same guy that he went to for during pregnancy, the same guy that they went to for COVID vaccine.
And you're saying you're saying that's not a random choice, right?
That oh hell no.
It wouldn't he just be considered the pro in the space.
That's why you keep going back to him.
Yeah, exactly.
So why is that a problem?
If he's the not a problem for them, but it's a problem for all the women who have lost their lost their women while their children during pregnancy.
You're saying his his research is demonstrably wrong.
His research is the research is wrong that he didn't show the results.
If you do science, you have to show all your work.
I mean, this is basic.
And he hid the results?
Absolutely hid the results.
And how did he hide the results?
He hit the results by not presenting it to the committees on vaccine safety.
But the parents called him out the first time and he pulled out a CD and he showed them the slide, and we have a copy of those data.
Okay.
Why why is that?
Why is Ed Martin not pursuing that?
That seems to me pretty catastrophic.
Why are we not pursuing the I didn't say we weren't?
Okay, good.
That's a scoop.
Uh, how do people get to you?
There are you got the Substack on Rational the Was it the popular popular rationalism at Substack.com.
And if you want to take hang out with me, go to IPAK-edu.org.
We have some fantastic courses there.
You can have a lot of people.
But the but you've also got the weaponization of science flaws and fraud in research.
Yeah, go to the maha institute.us for that.
Maha institute.
Okay, fine.
Um, doc, stick around.
We're gonna be finished in a second, but thank you for coming in.
It's great at the spur of the moment.
And we're gonna be doing all the streaming of this.
Dr. Brian Hooker will join us tomorrow on a similar topic.
Let's go to Mike Lindell.
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Why is the attorney general of the state of Minnesota trying to shut down your network of uh to make sure that people can get away from addiction?
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Why why are they why is he targeting you, sir?
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Um the uh I mean he he hates you I believe he hates our country.
Um he's uh um you know you have Elon Omar Omar over there too, and I think all the attacks on me, they don't want people getting off addiction and becoming Christians or giving their life to Jesus Christ.
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On the it's too much news we're breaking today in the war room.
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