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katy tur
Funding bill for the furloughed employees.
jake sherman
It's not going to pass, Katie, most likely.
That's Ron Johnson of Wisconsin's bill, a bill that he's introduced in past shutdowns, which would pay for, effectively pay for federal employees who are otherwise furloughed.
I don't think that's going to pass.
We just reported, John Bresnhan just reported that Chris Van Holland, who represents Maryland, a huge, obviously a huge hub, huge bastion of federal workers, is going to put out his own bill that does something similar, which to me signals that the Ron Johnson bill is not going to pass.
Democrats rather complaint is that the Ron John bill provides a slush fund of sorts and the president can decide who he wants to pay and who he doesn't want to pay.
Now, I personally do question whether there is some risk in opposing that.
steve bannon
The president is taking cautions right now in our vlogs.
unidentified
We're going to do a hard cut and we'll pick up the show when the president's finished.
First of all, you have just won billion plus hearts around the globe, including in India, by celebrating the Diwali in the White House right here.
And my other comment is, Mr. President, I like his question already.
In February, you and the White House staff welcomed, gave a warm welcome to the Prime Minister of India, Mr. Narender Modi.
And after that, I decided to make a short trip to India for you.
How popular you are in India.
And I went there in a holiest also festival there.
Millions of people were there.
And also, Prime Minister Narendra Modi was addressing a media event.
5,000 people.
I was one of them there listening to him.
And when I went to several states in India, what I found out, Mr. President, three people are most popular there.
Prime Minister Narendra Modi, President Donald Trump, Mr. Cash Patel, and also with the surprise, our White House Press Secretary, Karen Lev.
donald j trump
She's doing good.
She is doing good.
unidentified
Mr. President, my question is, you had a great relationship with the people of India when you visited India and with the Prime Minister of India, Narendra Modi, and also with the Indian American community.
Where do we stand today, all those elections from 45 to 47 in the future, Mr. President?
donald j trump
Please, thank you.
We stand great.
And the people of India love the people of India and we're working on some great deals between our countries.
I spoke to Prime Minister Modi today, as I mentioned before, and we just have a very good relationship.
And he's not going to buy much oil from Russia.
He wants to see that war end as much as I do.
He wants to see the war end with Russia, Ukraine.
And as you know, they're not going to be buying too much oil.
So they've cut it way back, and they're continuing to cut it way back.
unidentified
Mr. President, an appeals court recently ruled that you can send the National Guard into people in Oregon.
Do you feel unfettered to send the National Guard into whatever city you want now?
donald j trump
Well, I guess so.
That was the decision.
I can send the National Guard if I see problems.
I looked at Portland over the weekend.
The place is burning down, just burning down.
We weren't there.
We didn't spend much time there because we were waiting for that decision.
But the court, probably that maybe that influenced the court.
But you look at a place like Portland, it's just, it's ridiculous when they say that there's no problem.
The place was, it was on fire over the weekend.
But we did.
We won the case in Court of Appeals.
I think it was a Ninth Circuit.
So that's pretty good.
And a very strong opinion that we have the right to use the National Guard.
You would think that would be common sense.
We have the right to use the National Guard to put out trouble.
Well, that's how I got elected.
One of the reasons I got elected.
unidentified
Mr. President.
What changed your mind after talking to Vladimir Putin between then and now?
Why did you think that a Budapest summit might be wasted, might be wasted time?
donald j trump
Well, I didn't say anything.
I didn't say it would.
And, you know, you never know what's going to happen.
But a lot of things are happening on that front on the war front with Ukraine and Russia.
And we'll be notifying you over the next two days as to what we're doing.
james lyons-weiler
Did you hate it?
donald j trump
A lot of things are happening.
unidentified
Did you hit the French?
Mr. President, on Ukraine, do you still see a chance for a ceasefire?
And what is Putin asking for?
Do you still see a chance for a ceasefire?
And what is Putin asking for?
I do.
donald j trump
It's a vicious, look, it's a vicious war.
It doesn't really affect us.
We sell equipment to them, we sell equipment to NATO, and NATO gives it to Ukraine, but we don't pay anything anymore.
Biden spent $350 billion.
The war would have never happened if I were president.
It would have never, not even a million years.
And Putin knows that it would have never happened.
But it did happen, and I came in, and I have to see if I can put it out.
But it doesn't affect us because we're not losing soldiers there.
Although, when I first came in, that could have ended.
It's not going to happen.
But it could have ended up in World War III.
That was really out of control.
So now they're shooting and they're killing people.
And I think Putin wants it to end, and I think Zelensky wants it to end, and I think it's going to end.
unidentified
Is that what you want that he reached out to you about meeting on the government shutdown?
kaitlan collins
Will you meet with him before you leave for Asia on Friday?
donald j trump
Well, I will, actually.
I'd love to meet with them.
I just want them to open up the country first.
You know, the country is so hot right now.
And they've never voted against continuation.
They've never voted against.
They've never done that.
They're doing this because they have Trump derangement syndrome.
But I would love to meet.
I would like to meet with both of them.
But I set one little caveat.
I will only meet if they let the country open.
They have to let the country open.
The people want to go back to work.
They want to be served.
They need the services of some people.
And a lot of people need the money, the payroll.
So I'll do it as soon as they open up the country.
I'd like to meet with them.
kaitlan collins
So you want me to have them?
Just to be clear, you won't meet with them until the government's open.
donald j trump
The government has to be open, yeah.
unidentified
The government has to be open.
donald j trump
You know how long it would take for them to do that?
Just say, okay, government's open.
That's it.
There is nothing.
unidentified
How long?
They're not negotiating.
donald j trump
What they're doing is saying they lost the negotiation when we got the Great Big Beautiful deal done.
They lost that negotiation.
Now they're saying, well, we want to get some of the things we lost.
But the problem is the things they lost are very bad for our country.
We don't want to have people come over from all over the world, from prisons and all, and have them have their health care paid for.
We want to take care of people that are American citizens and all.
So they want $1.5 trillion of money to be wasted and jeopardize the health care of other people.
We're not going to do that.
So we're going to, I would love to meet with them.
We want the country open for us.
unidentified
Mr. President, a new poll shows that if Curtis Sliwa dropped out of the New York mayoral race, then Andrew Cuomo would only trail Momdani by four points.
Would you call Curtis Liwa to drop out of the race so that can happen?
donald j trump
Well, I looked at the polls and looks like we're going to have a communist as the mayor of New York.
It'll be very interesting.
But here's the good news.
He's got to go through the White House.
Everything goes through the White House.
At least this White House, it does.
And we'll have to see what happens.
But if he dropped out, he's not going to win.
unidentified
And not looking too good for Cuomo either.
donald j trump
But maybe, I don't know, if he dropped out, maybe Cuomo would have a little bit of a chance, but not much.
Because it looks like the lead is, it's not a great lead, but it's big enough that he should be able to win.
So, you know, I don't know that I want to get involved.
It's really a question of would I rather have a Democrat or a communist?
And I would rather have a Democrat than a communist.
kaitlan collins
Will you speak to Momdani if he wins?
donald j trump
Yeah, I'll speak to him.
I've had an obligation to speak to him.
But look, I love New York.
I've always loved New York.
I just can't believe a thing like this is happening.
I left New York, and we had a mayor, de Blasio, who was a disaster.
But when I left, it was sort of before he could really take hold.
And boy, New York was a hot city, and now it's sad to see what's happening, frankly.
And with the communists in charge, look, you just go back a thousand years.
I mean, it's been done many times, a thousand years.
It's never worked once, so it's not going to work now either.
unidentified
You're building your ballroom right now.
kaitlan collins
They're also building the Obama Presidential Library.
unidentified
I'm wondering if you've seen it.
kaitlan collins
Have you seen pictures of the architecture?
unidentified
Yeah, I do.
donald j trump
It's not too pretty.
No, but it's closed.
It's stopped.
They ran out of money.
I mean, he's building a library/slash museum.
You know, you call it some museum, and usually they call it library and museum.
That's the official name.
unidentified
And they're stuck.
donald j trump
And he wanted only women and DEI to build it.
Well, that's what they got.
And the construction workers are standing out there and saying, we want to be able to build it.
You know, you have great I built a great building in Chicago, as you know, a big, beautiful building, one of the tallest buildings in the country.
And we got it built very quickly, very well.
And we use the construction workers of Chicago.
They're great workers.
They're great construction people.
And I suggest that you get them involved.
But they're hundreds of millions of dollars over budget.
And I think it stopped.
I've been reading these terrible stories.
But that's the way our country was run under President Obama, too.
Nobody knew it.
unidentified
Thank you, Mr. President.
Russia remains China stop crude oil supply in September.
Are you considering tariffs on China?
donald j trump
Well, I mean, you read the same papers as I do, but I don't have to read the papers because I'm the one.
Right now, as of November 1st, China will have about 155% tariff put on it.
And I don't think it's sustainable for them, so I want to be nice to China.
But China's been very rough with us over the years because we had presidents that weren't smart from a business standpoint.
Some were good politicians, some weren't even good politicians, but they allowed China to take advantage of us and every other country to take advantage of us.
If you see, I made a deal with the European Union.
I made a deal with Japan, with South Korea, made a lot of these deals that are great deals, and I was able to do it.
It's really national security.
I was able to do it because of tariffs.
And we're getting hundreds of billions, even trillions of dollars paid into the United States.
We're a very rich country again.
We'll start paying off debt.
We'll do a lot of things.
We'll probably make a distribution out of some of the tariff money.
I think we're going to make a distribution over the next fairly short period of time to people because we took in so much money from the tariffs.
Just European Union, $650 billion.
Japan, $550 billion.
South Korea, $350 billion.
That's even a lot of money for you guys, right?
That's not bad, right?
But now we're taking in a lot of money, and it keeps people like this here because that's why they're coming in.
I mean, you wouldn't be, I mean, I'm not going to speak for you, but generally they won't be coming in if we were for tariffs.
They come in here and they don't have to pay any tariff.
If they do it outside, they pay a lot of money, a lot of tariffs.
The money comes to us.
And in order not to pay the tariff, they come and they build here.
That's why we have more plants under construction than we've ever had in the history of our country.
And you wouldn't think it's complicated, but you would have thought somebody would have done this a long time ago, sitting in this beautiful seat behind what's called the Resolute Desk.
You know that, right?
This is a very famous.
This is even more famous than any of your desks.
But your design, your desks are very good.
kaitlan collins
I'll follow up on her question to you, because the New York Times is reporting that your legal team is seeking $230 million from your own Justice Department now in response to the investigations into you.
Is that something you want your legal team to do?
donald j trump
I don't know what the numbers are.
I don't even talk to them about it.
All I know is that they would owe me a lot of money, but I'm not looking for money.
I'd give it to charity or something.
I would give it to charity any money.
But look, what they did, they rigged the election.
And as you know, we had, in one case, 60 Minutes had to pay us a lot of money.
George Slavodopoulos had to pay us a lot of money.
And they already paid.
They paid me a lot of money because what they did was wrong.
And when somebody does what's wrong, now, with the country, it's interesting because I'm the one that makes a decision, right?
And that decision would have to go across my desk.
And it's awfully strange to make a decision where I'm paying myself.
In other words, did you ever have one of those cases where you have to decide how much you're paying yourself in damages?
But I was damaged very greatly.
And any money that I would get, I would give to charity.
unidentified
Thank you, Mr. President.
Is the Democrat Party now more Zoran Mandani's party than it is even leader Schumer's or Lee Brown?
It probably is, yeah.
donald j trump
Maybe he'll run for president in four years.
You have a communist president.
That would be interesting, right?
I don't see it happening.
I've always said you will never see, and I always talked about socialism, you will never see a socialist so-and-so.
unidentified
And I was right.
donald j trump
I say it in his speeches, we will not have socialism in our country.
And I was right.
Communism, yes, but so in other words, they skipped socialism and they went down to communism.
No, he's a communist, and he's going to be maybe the mayor of New York.
I don't know, maybe, you know, polls are all, but these polls seem to be pretty consistent.
But he would be, I would say he would be the leader of the party.
It's not Schumer.
Schumer shot.
He's shot.
This poor guy, I feel sorry for him.
I don't know him for a long time, but I think he's mentally gone.
He's been beat up by young radical lunatics.
And I think Chuck Schumer is, he's gone.
I really do.
I think he's probably not going to run.
It shows that he's losing in every poll.
Now, this is hard.
You know, he wants to meet with me.
It's sort of hard to be with a guy after I make a statement like that, but I'm just giving you the facts.
I think Chuck is probably finished.
I know some people, Democrats, that would be good.
Some good politicians and some reasonable people.
But I understand that they would not have a chance of getting even the concept of holding the torch.
They're not going to get it.
But they have some people that I really believe they're low IQ people.
They're stupid people.
And they seem to be leading the party.
So we'll see what happens.
Look, the Republicans are strong.
We have great leadership.
We're very strong in every way.
And we're going to keep it that way.
But we are really a strong party.
You know, our party's growing magnificently.
We've gotten away.
Look at all the union votes I got.
Nobody thought that was ever possible.
Look at the election where I won a popular vote.
I won everything.
I won all seven swing states.
If you win three or four swing states, you're doing great.
I won all seven by a lot.
And I think the best thing when you look at districts, 2,700 versus 525.
That's big.
That's why the map shows all red.
So we won a tremendous landslide, and that's because people like our policy.
I guess they like me, but they like my policies.
Strong borders, good education, low taxes.
You know, in the Great Big Beautiful Bill, we got the biggest tax cut in history.
Not only no tax on tips, no tax on Social Security, no tax on overtime, but we got the biggest tax cut in the history of our country in the bill that we just approved.
And I think people see that, and they like it, and that's why we're doing well, but they are not.
They do not have leadership.
Thank you very much, everybody.
unidentified
Thank you very much.
Thank you, Democrats.
Thank you, Diablo.
Thank you.
What surprise?
steve bannon
The president's dropping a couple of bombs there, talking about Mondami, talking about so much of the activity going on.
Also, just telling the Democrats, hey, if you vote to open the government, you come only open the government, then I can sit down and have a discussion with you on other topics.
I think this is absolutely, we're winning this shutdown.
Why would we possibly fold now?
This is all about illegal alien health care.
American people can't afford that.
American people don't support that.
So you got the Democrats walked into this.
Don't get them off the hook.
When the media is talking about, when the media is talking about, oh, they ought to compromise and there's got to be some discussions and got to be coming.
No.
The reason the media is doing that is they're partners in crime.
And they realize the Democrats are getting hammered for this.
The Democrats shut this down because of a trillion dollars they want to spend over a number of years on illegal alien health care.
And don't let them say, well, it's outlawed.
That's not true.
It is true.
The illegal aliens, because they have to go to the emergency rooms, this is what pays for it.
There should be no compromise on this whatsoever.
We don't need to talk to any of the Democrats about anything.
Everything they have is so radical, it's nothing to talk about.
This is the way you play Smash Mouth.
It's now time to break these folks.
Because they're not getting less radical.
They're getting more radical.
And President Trump said it right there.
Mondami is the new face of the Democratic Party.
Lem Low with it.
Marx's jihadist.
And I don't know how this percentage of young Jewish kids or young Jewish people are voting for Mondami in New York City.
That shows me that the education system, there ought to be shut down.
President Trump, he has a whole lot of power when it comes to New York City.
Don't think he's going to go along with this.
If you vote for it, assume that your life's going to change.
And we don't care if you hate Trump because it doesn't matter.
We don't need New York.
We won three times without New York.
Yes, I said it, 2020 also.
We won three times without New York, and Trump's going to win a fourth time without New York.
So we love all the MAGA folks there, but New York City, Manhattan, hey, drop dead.
You're about to elect a Marxist jihadist who hates America.
We have no earthy idea who this guy is.
He's been a citizen for six years.
Have no idea where the money comes from.
Cutter, the mom, the dad, shady, shady, shady characters.
Of course, it's anti-they hate Americans.
They hate American citizens.
He's obviously very anti-white.
He's the whole package.
He's Sadiq Khan on testosterone.
He will turn New York City into London.
And for all the guys that talked all the big smack early on about, oh, we're going to do this and do that and defeat him, you guys look like you look like morons right now.
And you still got Curtis Liwa in the picture.
And people tweeting out that, isn't this a great in Curtis Graves?
No, Curtis Liwa is one of the problems.
That ego narcissist, he's never going to be the mayor of New York.
He's never come close to being the mayor of New York.
In fact, I don't even know what nobody even can explain to me what the guardian angels are.
And yet this is one of the guys, and Adams didn't get out quick enough, and people didn't come around enough.
Now, we have a cold open that's epic and monumental.
Let's go ahead and play that, and we're going to bring the show in and we're going to go from there.
katy tur
Separate funding bill for the furloughed employees.
jake sherman
It's not going to pass, Katie, most likely.
That's Ron Johnson of Wisconsin's bill, a bill that he's introduced in past shutdowns, which would pay for, effectively pay for federal employees who are otherwise furloughed.
I don't think that's going to pass.
We just reported, John Bresnan just reported that Chris Van Holland, who represents Maryland, a huge, obviously a huge hub, huge bastion of federal workers, is going to put out his own bill that does something similar, which to me signals that the Ron Johnson bill is not going to pass.
Democrats rather complaint is that the Ron John bill provides a slush fund of sorts and the president can decide who he wants to pay and who he doesn't want to pay.
Now, I personally do question whether there is some risk in opposing that bill, obviously, because as your previous guests suggested, like this is a real life thing where people who are going to work every day are not getting paid and they're not going to go to work.
And Katie, as you and I know, the aviation infrastructure in this country is, you know, at times not great.
And if, yeah, and if their traffic controllers are calling out in cities like Charlotte, Chicago, Atlanta, D.C., New York, big cities with big hub airports, we're going to have problems, and especially approaching the Thanksgiving season.
donald j trump
I will say this, that we have Darth Vader.
You know Darth Vader, right?
donald j trump [ai]
Darth Vader is a man who I think I'm sitting right.
Is that Darth?
Stand up, please, Darth Vader.
Stand up.
donald j trump
Does everybody know this is, they call him Darth Vader.
donald j trump [ai]
I call him a fine man.
donald j trump
But he's cutting Democrat priorities, and they're never going to get him back.
And they've caused us, and they've really allowed us to do it.
donald j trump [ai]
And by the way, thank you.
donald j trump
You're doing a great job.
I have to tell you.
unidentified
So really a great job.
donald j trump
Because many of the things that they're cutting, like the New York project, $20 billion, we're cutting it, they're not going to get it back.
donald j trump [ai]
I mean, they're not going to get a lot of things back.
They may not get it back.
donald j trump
Maybe we'll talk to them about it.
But they're losing the things that they wanted.
But many of the things that they wanted are things that we don't want.
Things that are just so bad for our country.
And we're cutting those things out.
katy tur
Government shut down the three week mark, and lawmakers on both sides of the aisle are getting the same message from their voters.
Stay the course.
But not all of them.
Now a group of vulnerable House Republicans is getting a bit itchy, calling on Speaker Mike Johnson to, quote, immediately turn the focus to health care affordability.
kevin frey
I mean, these are some of those moderate and or battleground district Republicans who quite frankly admit in this new letter that they just sent to Speaker Mike Johnson that quite frankly, they need to get something done on this.
That yes, while they say it is not their, quote, responsibility that we are in this situation, they have the opportunity to fix it.
And quite frankly, they seem to see the writing on the wall, which Democrats have been really hitting Republicans on for quite some time, that if these premiums start to skyrocket, which is what we're expecting them to do in the next couple of weeks as people get those notices in the mail, and also, of course, the marketplace opens on November 1, there could be some backlash.
And one of the things that Democrats quietly have said since the beginning of this shutdown fight is at the very least, changing the national conversation to really hone in on health care could be a winning message for them because Democrats traditionally pull very well in that arena.
Meanwhile, here on Capitol Hill, the push and pull, quite frankly, continues where both sides are not really talking to each other.
They're talking to themselves.
And some of the top Republicans in the Senate are very much laying the line in the sand, which is echoed by these battleground Republicans, basically saying, we're not going to do anything, though, until the government reopens to.
donald j trump
Today I'm calling on every Senate Democrat to stop the madness to let our country get back.
In the greatest moment in the history of our country in terms of wealth, in terms of job creation, and in terms of investment coming in, these guys go on strike.
donald j trump [ai]
It's really a shame.
donald j trump
So I'm asking them to be smart.
donald j trump [ai]
It's not working.
They're getting killed in the polls.
donald j trump
The public understands what they're doing.
donald j trump [ai]
They're doing the wrong thing.
john thune
This is the fourth week of the Democrat shutdown, but we are all here today because your Republican team in the Senate is unified.
We are this is now the longest full shutdown in history, but everybody here has voted now 11 different times to open up the government, and we are going to keep voting to open up the government, and eventually, the Democrats, hopefully sooner or later, are going to come around.
donald j trump
With all of the elements in the great big beautiful bill, I'll tell you, it's amazing.
what we've done, $200 billion in costs for medical, what we've done, $50 billion for rural hospitals.
And remember, no tax on tips, no tax on Social Security, no tax on think of all of these things that we've done.
This is the biggest.
This is the greatest bill.
Social Security, no tax on overtime, but no tax on tips.
I got that from a waitress in Nevada.
I was making a speech, and I'm at one of my restaurants in the hotel I own there.
And I say, how are you doing?
Well, sir, it's terrible.
They're taxing my tips.
They're going, I didn't even, I wouldn't have even thought that.
And I looked at it and she said to me, sir, there should be no tax on tips.
I said, say it one time more.
No tax on tips.
I walked outside to the press.
I said, there will be no tax on tips.
She was right.
donald j trump [ai]
And we won that state by a lot.
That's not a state that we win by that much, David, but we won it by a lot.
So it was pretty good.
donald j trump
China's building right now 52 power stations, but I did something better.
donald j trump [ai]
I'm letting everybody build their own power plant so they'll become like an electric utility in addition to AI.
donald j trump
But if they want to build their own plant and we get their approvals within less than a month, it used to take five years prior to rejection.
Sometimes a guy in Louisiana, they had one.
It took 12 years and then they got rejected.
I got it approved in two weeks when I got into office.
That was the first term.
jonathan lemire
Amazon, which is reportedly on the verge of a seismic workplace shift.
The New York Times reports that executives at the online retail giant believe the company aims to replace more than half a million jobs with robots.
The company expects to avoid hiring more than 160,000 in the U.S. that it would otherwise need by 2027.
In all, executives think the automation would allow the company to avoid hiring 600,000 new employees.
Doesn't seem good.
Amazon said in a statement that the documents viewed by the paper were incomplete and did not represent the company's overall hiring strategy.
Stay tuned.
jd vance
This peace deal was struck under the president's leadership literally a week ago.
The hostages were turned, what, six days ago, five days ago.
So we're in the phase now where we're actually starting to conceptualize what that international security force would look like.
I think it's important for Americans to know a couple of things.
Number one, there are not going to be American boots on the ground in Gaza.
The President of the United States has made that very clear.
All of our military leadership has made that very clear.
What we can do is provide some useful coordination.
How do you take, you know, the Gulf Arab states plus Israel, plus, you know, plus the Turks, plus the Indonesians, how do you actually get those folks to work together in a way that actually produces long-term peace?
The only real mediators are the United States of America.
And so that's the role that we're going to play.
I think the American people should be proud of it, but they should know that there are going to be no American boots on the ground in Gaza.
steve bannon
Okay, duly note that the vice president is over there with Jared.
They kind of broke down today.
And by the way, I think they're funneling in some British officers to kind of work and coordinate with the Turks.
But my understanding is I had a very blunt discussion with certain members of the Israeli high command and saying, hey, we're going to have to work this thing.
It's going to be a little choppy, but we've got to stop strafing and bombing that the president of the United States has deemed this deal is going to work.
I think Qatar and Turkey are also in these conversations.
No American boots on the ground, a commitment by the President of the United States.
Fantastic.
President also is sitting there talking about there's nothing to debate.
When these guys vote to open the government, and any which way they do it, you can do it.
But I don't see what the necessity of getting in there negotiating.
Who cares about Mike Waller?
The whole thing's going to change after Mondani anyway.
So I don't hear all the bleeding of guys like Waller all the time.
Oh, I'm in the swing district.
Dude, work it harder.
Get more Trump.
Get more MAGA.
One of the reasons that you barely win, you're not MAGA.
Folks up there want you to be MAGA.
Embrace it.
Embrace your destiny.
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Okay, Joe Allen is going to join me in the next hour.
We're going to talk about AI.
Of course, today announced, and this was not announced, I should say differently.
The New York Times found an internal report to Amazon, one of our favorite companies.
So for all working class people out there, understand they're all trying to screw you.
Okay?
Their business model is to screw, particularly young people coming up, under 35, all these guys that you adore, you know, all the brolegarks, their whole business model is to screw you and to make sure you're nothing but you continue to be a Russian serf.
What does that mean?
You don't own anything and you ain't going to own anything.
You're going to work as a basically a salaried slave, indentured servant.
Let's say that.
600,000 folks that they're not going to hire over the next couple of years because guess what they're going to do?
They're going to purchase artificial intelligence connected robots.
Does that make you feel good?
You feeling good now?
This is why we need to take a stand on artificial intelligence, and we do here in the war room.
Joe Allen's going to spend the entire hour.
Joe's been throughout the country for the last hundred days discussing this, talking to this, meeting people, and he's our editor for All Things Transhumanism.
Will join me.
Also, I'll be breaking down tomorrow morning much more of what's going on in this Middle East situation.
It stinks to high heaven.
Here's what stinks: we need Ratcliffe, the central intelligence, the CIA director, to come forward.
We need to know exactly what intelligence he gave the president of the United States on this Persian fiasco.
Also, we need to hear from him about October 7th.
You know, people point the finger at Mossad and point the finger at Shinbet.
And by the way, there's an incredible book out there called While Israel Slept by a couple authors.
One of those, at least one of them, we got committed for, I think, the 30th of October, is going to join us in the war room.
He'll be live in Israel to walk through this.
The book is a jawdropper.
If you want to find out at least the first cut of what went on, and I'm not saying it's gospel truth, but it's pretty revealing and pretty shocking.
Go get While Israel Slept.
Go check it out.
I've got tonight at 10 o'clock, the frontline guys, which do these great documentaries about current events and politics, etc.
And I think the biggest one, Michael Hicks, this director, who we've worked with a couple of times.
If you like that Trump, the Trump and the Power Was the Rule of Law, the rule of law, I think Hicks was involved with that.
Also, Bannon's War tonight at 10 o'clock on PBS, your favorite channel.
The rise of Bobby Kennedy.
It looks like extraordinary.
Let's play the trailer, and then I'm going to bring in.
They had one of these roundtables today.
Claire Dooley put on in the children's health defense folks.
And I've got James Lyon Wallace going to join us here in a moment.
Let's go and play the trailer.
unidentified
His goal will be to make America healthy again.
steve bannon
Senator Kennedy has been shot.
james lyons-weiler
This is an inescapable trauma.
unidentified
He's pushing back against people who've told him he's a fraud.
They're not playing by the rules.
They're not using gold standard science.
He's the most famous candidate in America right now.
10 p.m.
steve bannon
tonight, the Secretary of Health and Human Services, HHS, Health and Human Services, will be profiled in this debate.
Don't miss it tonight.
It's free.
James Lyons Weiler.
That's the most waspy name I've ever had on the show in five years.
Are you like from the Mayflower?
james lyons-weiler
Yeah, no.
I mean, listen, we all come from various pedigrees, but that's pure WASP.
Yeah, yeah.
I grew up in upstate New York.
All I know is small town country.
steve bannon
Okay, okay, okay.
That's cool.
I like the arc of the family.
You're a researcher.
You're very concerned about, you used to be at the big universities.
You're very concerned about the weaponization of science.
You gave a talk today.
You were at the roundtable.
We love these roundtables.
We're particularly interested in you today.
What do you mean, weaponization of science?
james lyons-weiler
Well, the American public is beginning to hear from Kennedy, Secretary Kennedy, a lot about what has been going on over the years behind closed doors in the area of science.
First of all, I want to demarcate between science and fraud, right?
So if I'm a scientist and I have to answer to a pharmaceutical company because they pay my bills or they gave me an endowed charity university, I'm going to do everything I can do to make sure that that pharmaceuticals products look as good as they possibly can if I'm doing that science.
Otherwise, I'm going to lose my chair.
And if I lose my chair, that whole system selects for people that are willing to sell out.
So we end up with a bias.
steve bannon
Hang on, hang on.
You're telling me that everybody that takes a chair funded by the pharmaceutical, you know, sponsored by Pfizer is by definition, by your definition, a sellout?
james lyons-weiler
Well, I'm saying that the system selects for that.
I don't know how far that selection's gone completely, but I know for a fact that if there's a narrative that the former CDC or NIAID with Anthony Fauci had to have for public health, if you were at a university and you actually went against the grain, your university got a call and all of your NIH funding was threatened over, let's say, HPV vaccine safety or MMR vaccine safety.
So this kind of shakedown.
steve bannon
Hang on for a second.
So I'm to take it that all the reports that have come out of these universities on topics like that, where I can go back and see that big pharma somehow either endowed a chair or gave money for research, that they're all suspect.
james lyons-weiler
Well, I think that's the nature of the state.
steve bannon
But you don't call that fraud.
You call that weaponized science.
james lyons-weiler
No, I think there's a mix.
That's the thing.
There's a mix.
There's a mix of fraud in weaponized science and then the use of science in a way that is just fooling the public, right?
So I'm a scientist.
I defend science in the public interest.
steve bannon
Can you give me a specific example of either fraud or weaponization in this regards?
james lyons-weiler
Yeah, absolutely.
So when the CDC whistleblower, who I'm sure you've heard about, William Thompson came out, he told Brian Hooker that a study that was published in 2004 by Frank DeStefano and a lot of people at the CDC actually buried data so the institutes of medicine could look at it, that the MMR vaccine did indeed seem to contribute to an increased risk of autism in African-American boys.
And they manipulated the study by dropping everybody from the study that didn't have a Georgia birth certificate just to reduce the sample size, which is the number of people in the study, so the statistics couldn't pick it up.
And that's fraud.
So the demarcation between science and fraud is something that's been going on for decades, over 100 years.
steve bannon
You mentioned the Institute of Medicine.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
The Institute of Medicine is one of the most corrupt institutions in the entire federal government.
That's saying something.
Isn't the Institute of Medicine the group that said that Agent Orange could actually be eaten and try to prove it?
And for 10 years, the whole Agent Orange thing started with this Institute of Medicine that has got a track record of being not just for sale, but beyond corrupt?
james lyons-weiler
I couldn't believe it.
When I looked into the authors of this one study I talked about in MMR, it's the same people that did the study on Agent Orange to a person.
steve bannon
So Arnold stopped.
You mean the same guys that did the Agent Orange is the same one that did this?
james lyons-weiler
Colleen Boyle, Frank DeStefano, others.
They were absolutely hired to go to work at CDC because they knew how to fix the science, the data, the fraud.
steve bannon
So who, how many years ago was this?
james lyons-weiler
Well, Agent Orange obviously came about after the guys came back.
steve bannon
In the 70s and the 80s.
james lyons-weiler
And started developing cancers and so on.
steve bannon
But your example.
james lyons-weiler
It was 2004, so the science would have been done 2002, 2003.
steve bannon
Can we go back?
I mean, why is there not some investigation?
Why are criminal charges not brought against this?
james lyons-weiler
Well, that's a good question.
I think that we're going to probably see some prosecutions on the basis of defrauding the federal government.
If I'm funded by the federal government to do science, to do research, and I falsify the data, I can be fined personally, and I can be banned from doing research for 10 years.
So I think that there's some recourse we can do.
Kennedy's still, you know, catching his stride here, right?
But I'll tell you, there are journals that have retracted good studies, and that's another aspect of weaponization.
They retracted good studies to destroy studies that show that there's a problem with vaccines and other drugs.
And the Attorney General's office has been handed a list by Secretary Kennedy of those journals that are helping to falsify the record.
steve bannon
In fact, we're going to have Brian Hooker on tomorrow, but I'm trying to have Brian Hooker on tomorrow.
So I'll follow up to you.
Let me get this right.
Because I think you're breaking news here.
Has this been out?
james lyons-weiler
This is news.
unidentified
Okay, fine.
james lyons-weiler
Well, it's news.
So the guy that I heard it from is actually the former office.
He's the Office of the Pardoned Attorney now, Ed.
steve bannon
Ed Martin?
james lyons-weiler
Ed Martin.
He was at the Association for sorry, the Association of Physicians and Surgeons meeting last month.
I was there, and he made an announcement that Mr. Kennedy, Secretary Kennedy, gave him a list of 28 studies with the journals and layperson summaries that actually were wrongfully retracted and that those journals have been put on notice by the Attorney General's office.
And I was asked by Secretary Kennedy to put that list together for him.
steve bannon
And so, and that list is compiled of what again?
james lyons-weiler
Journals, scientific journals that publish research studies that pulled studies wrongfully and destroyed science to hide any problems with vaccines or other drugs.
steve bannon
But isn't this beyond, because people were damaged by this, isn't this beyond a civil issue that who's going to get paid not?
Isn't that like criminal intent?
james lyons-weiler
Yeah, I hope so.
So it's criminal intent in a number of ways.
Who sent them the check?
Was it the drug companies, the vaccine manufacturers?
Was it the government?
Who told them to buy us?
So there's collusion, right?
There's that.
But beyond that, then we also have the fact that, again, these journals, many of them are contracted by the U.S. government to publish science in the public interest.
And if they're defrauding the government on that contract, then there's a problem.
But no, you're right.
I think there's some criminal activity.
steve bannon
Is Secretary Kennedy going to come up and make this as big a deal as it looks like it is?
Because what you're saying, and I think our audience and other people fall in this.
You see a guy like Fauci, and we helped sell the book, you know, the hidden Tony Fauci or whatever.
And I think we sold 750,000 copies.
It did 750, the thing sold over a million and a half.
The book's a blockbuster.
And it's like the phone book.
I mean, it's totally, it's not accessible.
It's just document after document, and people couldn't get enough of it.
But the mistake I think we've made is that people identify Fauci as like Dr. Evil.
The reality is the system itself drives this.
So you do have good men and women are caught in it, but because of careerism, they go along.
It's kind of like the SS in World War II to go along to get along.
And you've got crimes all over the place.
james lyons-weiler
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of people from the deep state that are still there that are pushing against initiatives from Secretary Kennedy.
And it's a serious problem.
steve bannon
Okay, hang on a second.
You've got your tinfoil hat.
What do you mean, deep state?
Talk to me about, I thought deep state was at the CIA, DNI, Pentagon, Justice Department.
When you say deep state in medicine, tell our audience what institutions are you talking about that are the deep state?
james lyons-weiler
I'm talking about HHS.
There's regulatory capture at HHS where people are promised a job.
You just saw Peter Marks take a job at a big pharmaceutical company.
He was the head of Sieber at FDA.
That's HHS.
You saw Julie Gerberting many years ago take a job at Monsanto.
These guys with the revolving door, they actually go get jobs at the companies that they were regulating just two months ago.
And it's their golden parachute.
That needs to stop.
So, yeah, no, the deep state to me means what you just said.
Careers and people that are survivors that hold on to their job by doing whatever is necessary to enforce whatever narrative they're told to enforce by the people that are keeping them there.
steve bannon
Give me quick regulatory capture, define that for our audience.
james lyons-weiler
Regulatory capture is where agencies and the government actually make policy that reflects the interest of companies, corporations.
steve bannon
That they should be regulating.
james lyons-weiler
They should be regulating them, but they're actually potentially against the public's interest and against public health.
Regulatory capture is one of the biggest threats to public health in the United States.
steve bannon
When you say how big a problem is this to actually go in and get the Justice Department to start cleaning house over there, how big a deal?
james lyons-weiler
Well, most of the people I think that are on the list of people that falsified science around vaccines are probably already out or on the way out.
So, you know, fixing the problem really is Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s job.
Secretary Kennedy's making appointments now, new appointments at CDC.
steve bannon
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Are you Dr. James Lyons Weiler?
james lyons-weiler
That's correct.
steve bannon
And what's your doctorate in?
james lyons-weiler
Yeah, I'm a PhD in ecology and evolutionary biology, but I've been doing biomedical research since 2000.
steve bannon
Okay.
And you have another scoop for me?
james lyons-weiler
I do.
So we were talking about fraud and science and vaccines.
steve bannon
In fact, you have a website.
What's the web?
I want everybody to go to the website and Grayson Mo will push it out.
What's the website?
james lyons-weiler
Popular Rationalism on Substack.
steve bannon
Popular Rationalism.
james lyons-weiler
Yes, sir.
steve bannon
I think I've been to that site before.
And you have in there the fraud and all the reports you've been doing.
james lyons-weiler
Yeah, you're going to find stuff there.
You can also check out the Maha Report published there.
steve bannon
I've gone to Popular Rationalism before.
What's your scoop?
james lyons-weiler
Well, the scoop is that when the CDC decided to study vaccines in pregnancy, they hired a guy named Tom Shimabakuro.
Tom Shimabakuro, among our communities, is known as CDC's Fixer because he makes problems go away.
And he actually had data that he did not show to the right.
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I can put up something in advance so we don't get sued by it's him.
james lyons-weiler
I hope so.
This is on me.
unidentified
It's on you.
james lyons-weiler
He actually, we have people drawing up affidavits that he showed a 4,250% increase in fetal demise during vaccination during pregnancy with influenza.
He was the same guy that he went to, they went to for RSV, the same guy that he went to during pregnancy, the same guy that they went to for COVID vaccine.
steve bannon
So you're saying that's not a random choice, right?
james lyons-weiler
Oh, hell no.
steve bannon
Wouldn't he just be considered the pro in the space?
That's why you keep going back to him.
james lyons-weiler
Yeah, exactly.
steve bannon
Well, why is that a problem?
james lyons-weiler
It's not a problem for them, but it's a problem for all the women who lost their women, lost their children during pregnancy.
steve bannon
You're saying his research is demonstrably wrong?
james lyons-weiler
His research is, the research is wrong that he didn't show the results.
If you do science, you have to show all your work.
I mean, this is basic.
steve bannon
And he hid the results.
james lyons-weiler
He absolutely hid the results.
steve bannon
And how did he hide the results?
james lyons-weiler
He hid the results by not presenting it to the committees on vaccine safety.
But the parents called him out the first time and he pulled out a CD and he showed them the slide.
And we have a copy of those data.
steve bannon
Okay.
Why is that?
Why is Ed Martin not pursuing that?
That seems to me pretty catastrophic.
Why are we not pursuing this?
james lyons-weiler
I didn't say we weren't.
steve bannon
Okay, good.
That's a scoop.
How do people get to you?
You got the substack on rational, was it the popular?
james lyons-weiler
Popular rationalism at substack.com.
And if you want to hang out with me, go to iPak-edu.org.
We have some fantastic courses there.
You can have that.
steve bannon
But you've also got the weaponization of science flaws and fraud in research.
james lyons-weiler
Yeah, go to the mahainstitute.us for that.
steve bannon
Maha Institute.
Okay, fine.
Doc, stick around.
We're going to be finished in a second, but thank you for coming in.
It's great at the spur of the moment.
And we're going to be doing all the streaming of this.
Dr. Brian Hooker will join us tomorrow on a similar topic.
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Thank you, brother.
Why is the Attorney General of the state of Minnesota trying to shut down your network of to make sure that people can get away from addiction, drug addiction, sex addiction, all addictions that's based on Christian principles?
Why is he targeting you, sir?
mike lindell
Well, he's, I would call him a radical Muslim.
I mean, he hates, I believe he hates our country.
He's, you know, you have Elon Omar over there, too.
And I think all the attacks on me, they don't want people getting off addiction and becoming Christians or giving their life to Jesus Christ.
They also could be, he could also be a little upset that I'm considering running for governor of Minnesota.
I mean, the attacks got turned up.
unidentified
Hold it.
steve bannon
That's a scoop.
You're considering doing what?
mike lindell
Running for governor of Minnesota against Tim Waltz.
steve bannon
Is this actually, am I breaking news here?
It's too much news we're breaking today in the war room.
mike lindell
Is this true?
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mike lindell
Absolutely.
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